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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Oct 25, 2021

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Michelin Conference Call. The conference call will be conducted by Mr. Yves Chapo, General Manager and Group CFO. You are able to download the presentation from Michelin corporate website. I now hand over to Mr.

Yves Chapo. Gentlemen, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I'm very pleased to host you for this 2021 Q3 conference call. So I will start by sharing with you the sales performance of the 9 1st months of this year and particularly the Q3. And then we'll come back on the full year guidance. What has characterized its Q3 is a very turbulent environment, which is characterized, of course, by the persistent health crisis, particularly in areas such as Southeast Asia.

We have very strong pandemic hikes during the summer. We are facing very severe disruptions across every supply chain. And of course, we have all been seeing what happened on the original equipment market with the macro conductor of the chips crisis have worsened over the past months weeks. Inflation now is rising across the board through raw material first, logistic costs, no energy costs. And we are also facing worsening labor shortage, particularly in North America and to a lesser extent in Europe.

In this context, the market, of course, and we already announced that the comparative are less tolerable for our businesses through this quarter compared to the first half of the year. The demand has varied widely in the Q3. Of course, in the original equipment market for automotive, for passenger car, the market fell down by 21% over the quarter, dragged by the dragged down by the chip shortage. While at the same time, so replacement market was stable over the summer with already a steady comparable sales market in 2020. The truck market truck tire market continued to expand outside China, raising by 7% over the quarter.

But while in China, the market has been going down by 30%. And the demand in specialty markets remain robust with approximately strong rebound in original equipment in construction and agriculture tire segments. So in this context, the group has reported at the end of the 9 months, EUR 17,200,000,000 sales, which is a rise of 15.6 percent. And for the Q3, sales of EUR 6,000,000,000 So the 15.6% growth year on year, year to date explained by 14.8% growth in tire volume, of which 1.3% in the 3rd quarter. We have altogether gained from price increase of 2.8%, which have been designed to offset sharply rising costs 1.3% from mix effects, reflecting both the gain in 18 inches and above for the SL1 segment and the favorable original and replacement mix within this segment, within the Automotive division.

The 5.8% increase in non tire sales and a negative effect of currency exchange rate. But over the last quarter, this currency exchange rate effect was neutral. And in this context, despite, let's say, some worsening environment markets, the group maintained its guidance for 2021. So the sharp slowdown of OE P CLT market is waiting on demand and in an environment that we believe is likely to be disrupted for a long time. If you remember well, at the end of the first half of the year, we have shared with you our prospects for both light car, light truck tire market for the remaining part of the year and truck tire market, and we present you a range of market evolution.

You can observe that if in the passenger car tire market, the market was, let's say, within the range in July August, it went below the range in September, reflecting the worsening situation in the original equipment market. On the other hand, the market the truck tire market outside China slightly over performed our forecast during the summer. Regarding the environment, I think all what we are sharing now has been already disclosed at the end of July. I will maybe add one element, which was not present at the end of July, which is a sharp run up in energy cost, particularly in gas and with a strong increase of energy cost increase in Europe. Looking now at the market quarter by quarter.

So for passenger car tire, you see minus 5% on Q3 and minus 5% versus year to date versus 2021. So looking at Q3, as I already explained, OE was down 21%, while replacement was stable. And looking across the different regions, Europe and North America are posted a slight decrease, minus 4%, minus 6%, when China probably also comparing with a very strong 2020 summer is posting a minus 14% market evolution. On the other hand, you see that the worldwide truck market is now at the end of September, back at its 2019 level with Q3 at minus 8%, but again explained by a sharp decrease of the market in China, particularly the original equipment. When Europe is stable, plus 2, slight growth, North America is posting a strong growth, plus 13% and is already 11% above 2019 comparable.

In China, you see the huge range of market evolution between Q1, which was plus 72%, in Q3, minus 30%. Year to date, the market is at plus 1. Specialties are running, let's say, very consistently with what we have announced previously with a sharp rebound in agriculture and construction, particularly in OE. Mining is also showing stronger prospects. And the aircraft market is also increasing with the opening of the communication between countries.

So just to explain quickly the bridge of our sales between the 1st 9 months of 2020 and the 1st 9 months of 2021. Limited scope effect. Volume plus 14.8%, which represent €2,200,000,000 price and mix at 4.1 percent of which 1.3 percent is mix, so €2.8 percent is the price effect, which represents €600,000,000 Non tire activities are contributing for €47,000,000 at the end of these 9 months. And we still have a currency exchange rate negative. You will see afterwards that this figure is stable over the second the 3rd quarter.

On the Q3, so our sales have grown by 8.2%. The scope is slightly negative, minus 3%. Volume are slightly positive, 1.3%. And we have a very important pricemix effect with 7%, nearly EUR 400,000,000 of which €1,800,000,000 is explained by the mix and €5,200,000,000 by the price. It reflects, in fact, already the full effect of the 2 first price increase that we have implemented since the beginning of the year, end of March, end of June.

And the beginning of the first the third one that we have implemented between 1st September and 1st October according to the business segment and the regions. The entire activities are also contributing positively and you see that over the quarter, the currency exchange rate was practically neutral. Breaking down this figure by business segment. So you observed that on the segment 1, our sales grew by 18.9%, reflecting a strong growth in sales led by our pricing management, market share gains in 18 inches and above

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and a

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favorable OEM RT mix as OEM has been impacted by the shortage of microchips. SR2 is also posting a very strong performance, plus 16.4%, mostly led by our strong position in Europe and North America. Here also very strong pricing management and a sustained expansion in our fleet management activities. SR3 is at +8.4 percent. SR3 has been more resilient in 2020 facing the 1st month of the crisis than the 2 other segments.

So on one hand, the market is driven by a beyond road business, construction, agriculture, materials handling, which is creating also a negative business mix within the segment. We have also the effect of a very strong price management, although some of these businesses are indexed through raw material closes. But we are also probably the area where we are facing the most the turmoil in the supply chain, given the fact that mining and beyond road businesses are exposed to a lot of shipping both for upstream and of course downstream businesses, which are where we are encountering a lot of, let's say, operational challenge over the summer. So as far as the guidance is concerned, I will start with our market scenario for the 3 segments. So first, regarding the automotive segment, we have slightly lower our forecast our market forecast versus those that we share with you at the end of July.

We estimate that the market should evolve over the full year between 6% 8%. Our previous market assumptions was the range between 8% 10%. It's mostly the consequence of the original equipment supply chain challenges that is waiting on demand. Knowing that across the board, we consider that in most of the regions, our distributors have no for replacement, have no rebuilt their inventory to a level which is very close to the normative. But that demand seems very steady in our key markets.

On the truck market, our forecast now is a market which will be between 6% 8% worldwide. But if we exclude China between 11% 13%, when our previous forecast was more a market between 9% 11% outside China. And here we consider also the strong situation of the original equipment market. In some regions, we know that OEMs are now starting to accept orders for trucks for that are going to be delivered in 2023. So we can consider that all the supply chain given also the challenge that everyone is facing is running at full speed.

And in the replacement market, the global demand outside China remained very strong with the freight activity, which is also very strong and we are now entering into a season where the freight is at its peak before the end of the year. Specialties, we have slightly lowered down the market assumptions from 10% to 12% at the end of July to between 9% and 11%. Mining tire, the demand remain robust, but we are encountering a lot of supply chain disruptions, particularly due to the shipments as our factories are based in Europe and North America, and we are serving markets that are scattered all over the world with a stronger mix in Australia, South Africa, South America. Off road, off road tires demand will be very strong as well as 2 wheels. And we are also seeing the aircraft tire market growing demand from weak comparative.

So based on these assumptions, so our markets have a scenario that we should our volume should land slightly above the market, given the fact that we have been able to gain market share in some key strategic market segments. We are also expecting net price mix raw material effect, which would be positive, including in the second half. But you have to take in account that this price and mix effect should cover not only the raw material cost increase, but also the other element of inflation that are logistics and energy costs, which will be strongly negative over the year. The currency effect, if we consider that the last quarter should be, let's say, close to neutral should remain negative as it was at the end of the first half. So on this context, we have decided to maintain our guidance, which is a segment operating income at constant exchange rate, which will be above €2,800,000,000 and the structural free cash flow, which will be also above €1,000,000,000 So having shared with you these elements, I'll just take this opportunity to remind you that Michelin has launched the 2nd generation of this all season tire during the last months weeks, which is across climate 2, which was the product which has really created this all season market in Europe.

And I'm now opening the Q and A session.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The first question comes from Tom Narayan from RBC. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Tom Narayan, RBC. Thanks for taking the questions. My first one is on the 2021 outlook and apologies if I missed this, but how are you able to maintain the guidance despite lowering the market outlook? And if possible, could you give us the breakout within SR1 in the outlook of the 6% to 8% between OEM and replacement?

And the next question, SR1 posted a very strong mix again in Q3, up 5.2%. The ratio of replacement to OE is obviously helping here. Understandably, when OE returns back to normal levels, this could normalize. Just wondering why you couldn't shift or increase production into the replacement market more permanently? In other words, what is the benefit of being as big as you are in the OEM market?

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Okay. So thank you, Tom. So first, we are able to maintain our guidance because we have of course, we are facing the drop of the original equipment market for automotive for the automotive segment. But one of the strengths of the Machine Group is balance between different businesses that are generally not simultaneously obeying to the same underlying trends. So you saw that we are rather optimistic outside China of the prospects of the truck tire market.

We have also strong position in SR1 on the replacement market. And we have also a very strong position in beyond road and mining market. So it's the first element which help us to compensate the impact of the drop of the original equipment market. The second one is our ability our price discipline, our ability to pass through to the market most of the element of inflation. I'm saying most because you have to remember that we have 30% of our sales that are based on mid or long term contracts, where we have raw material closest adjustments, which are generally paying with some time lag.

But overall, if you look at the figures that were in the bridge, when we are speaking about 4.1% pricemix effect and 2.8 percent of price, it's €420,000,000 just on price past during the 9 1st months, of which EUR291 1,000,000 in the Q3. So that's allow us to be able to cover the inflation that we are facing. Regarding the second part of your question, there is a few elements. First, more strategical standpoint, our presence at original equipment is key because the original equipment market is also leading innovation. It's important that we have very strong long term cooperation with some OEMs.

We are able to anticipate on new vehicle designs, evolution of OEMs product overall that we cannot do if we are only a replacement player. The second element between the management of the mix between OE and RT is that, of course, we can convert and that's what our teams have done very well during the 91st months. We can convert some of these capacities to from OE to RT, but with a certain limit. The third element that I would also like to draw to your attention is the fact that particularly during the 9 1st months, we were probably we were needing not only to follow the demand in terms of replacement, but we were also facing we were facing distributors who needed strongly to rebuild their inventories. And we are probably now at more or less at the end of this period, which explain why the mix, of portfolio is positive.

It might return when the original equipment will come back to, let's say, more favorable season. But this mix effect was very strong during the 1st 9 months.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Martino De Ambroggi from Equitasium. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good evening, everybody. One more question on the price. So if you could elaborate on the split by division of your plus 5.2 percent in Q3. And for the time being, are you comfortable with your last price increase?

Or you are planning any further price hike going forward? And if you are willing to disclose it, what was the range of the last price hike between September October? So we start by this last question. The overall range of the price hike between September or October was in average around 3% to 4%. And for your information, we don't disclose the mix and price effect by business segment.

But what I can tell you is that the price effect was rather consistent across the different segments. Of course, in some segments, you have a little bit more OE, so a little bit more, let's say, a contracted business with raw material adjustments. But beside that, our teams, and I would like to take the opportunity to stand them, were able to pass the price increase across the board. We are globally satisfied with our price increase. I'm not going to tell you if we are going to implement another one because first we should be aware of that our customers.

But we believe that we are entered into a very volatile environment. The supply chain disruptions that can sometimes come from areas that we are not able to anticipate. The for example, the sharp increase of the gas price over the summer in Europe is now impacting some of our raw material suppliers that are coming back to us to ask for price increase on their side. So we consider that we have now entered into an area where we should, let's say, manage our price on a, let's say, rather dynamic way. It means that adjusting price from 1 quarter to another should not be an issue.

We have our teams are ordering themselves to manage that with the right information system, the right way to capture what's going on in the market. And we believe that we have entered into a very dynamic price environment and our agility will be key to succeed and to maintain our price positioning over time. Okay. Thank you. And the last question the second question is on the free cash flow guidance in excess of EUR 1,000,000,000.

Are you moving some of your underlying assumptions on CapEx net working capital or it's all confirmed? Yes, we are moving it, but let's say, one is compensating the other. Of course, the raw material and energy prices that we are facing that are increasing our production costs are going to wait on our working capital. So part of our accounts receivable and inventories value at the end of the year will be, let's say, pulled by the increase in raw material prices and energy cost prices. On the other hand, supply chain is also impacting our ability to spend our CapEx plan and we probably underspend by the end of the year.

And let's say, one will more or less compensate the other. And I'm optimistic on the disruption level that we are facing. Of course, as you follow the automotive industry, you are well aware of what is happening with the microchips, but you have probably seen also that some other materials are starting to be in shortage. And we are sometimes surprised. We have a huge number of crisis sales open within the company to manage on, let's say, shortage of some specific materials, including some that we just learned over the summer.

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Jose Asumendi from JPMorgan. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Jose from JPMorgan. Hi. Just a few questions, please. When we think about your 2023 targets or your midterm targets, it looks to me like you will have already achieved the targets

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in the second half of

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this year, if not this year. So are you thinking to as you close out the year, do you think it could be a possibility to revisit the midterm targets? What is the first question, please?

Speaker 2

Okay. Good evening, Roger. So in the target that we share for 2023, of course, there was operating margin rate and value. The rate is going to be probably penalized by the price increase because as we are increasing prices, it has a dilutive effect on the rate. So I don't believe that we'll have achieved our 2023 target during the 2nd semester of 2021.

As far as this long term or midterm target is concerned, it's of course a milestone on our 2,030 strategy, mission in motion. And we will first, I think, at the end of the year or early in 2022, start to guide for 2022. And then during the, let's say, the course of 2022, we'll see if we have to modify our 2023 target. But it's far too early to discuss about changing 2023 target.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then two quick follow ups, please. Can you talk a little bit about around the dynamics you're seeing within ESSA III? And do you consider that the historical 24% margin target for ESSA III could still be valid for Michelin? Those 2 please.

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. So the dynamic the demand is here, but you have also to keep in mind that these markets are probably the one that are except of course the tool with business and the aircraft business, but they are probably the most cyclical within our portfolio. And clearly, construction and agriculture are very, let's say, positive level in the cycle. Mining, we are also seeing the mining operator activities well oriented with very strong customer demand. But at the same time, we are facing very strong operational challenge, particularly on the maritime shipping and in some extent some manufacturing challenge because we have a large part of our capacity, which is based in the U.

S, where we are facing across the board difficulties to hire employees, let's say, in all categories of the labor force, but particularly for the group of us. As far as, let's say, the operating margin is concerned, we have communicated the minimum rate of 17%. So I'm not going to bet on should we reach or not the 24% that we have reached in the past.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Roger.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Victoria Gray from Morgan Stanley. Madam, please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Good evening. The first thing I wanted to ask you about was just explicitly about the price mix number that you could expect for Q4 being very strong at plus 7%. Can we see that accelerate further in Q4, bearing in mind the price increases that you've talked through already, perhaps with a few mix changes? That's the first question. The second thing, I think you made a bit of a comment in one of the previous questions that you think you're more or less at the end of the re stop of dealer inventories in the replacement channel.

Could you give us a bit more color on that by region, please? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Okay. So regarding the price mix, of course, we should see an acceleration over the Q4 of the price part. The mix, you know that in the mix, there is some components that we do not master. We try to master the favorable product mix. The market mix is not completely in our hand or the market, the mix between different businesses can also be impacted either positively or negatively.

So we consider that this mix is not only completely in our end. But so in the 7%, if you remember well, and there is 5.2% coming from the price. So this one should be even stronger on the Q4. But at the same time, you should have both raw material, energy and in some areas, labor costs that are increasing, energetic cost of course, that are increasing sharply. So it shows you also the extent of the headwind that we are encountering on the price the cost of the goods that we are purchasing.

Speaker 6

Okay. So price should accelerate in Q4 mix, yes, as you said, not all of it is in your hands?

Speaker 2

Yes. Because first, we have some, let's say, index business where we should have another set of raw material closes adjustment as of October 1. And as I said earlier, our 3rd price increase was spread between 1st September 1st October. Rehousing distribution inventories, we consider that the situation and the situation was already at normative level in Asia before the summer. In Europe, there was, let's say, a situation a little bit more contrasted, but we can say that during the summer, most of the distributors have reached normative level.

In U. S, there is, let's say, maybe some upside with some distributors, but overall, we are not too far from to have reached the global normative level for their inventories.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Victoria.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Gabriel Adler from Citi. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, good evening. Gabriel Adler from Citi. My first question is on the cost pressures that you're facing. In your guidance, you're now including cost and duties, logistics and energy alongside raw materials as cost headwinds. But you've also reiterated the price mix raw mats will be positive.

So could you help us better interpret the changes here and maybe comment on the magnitude of the positive impact you expect for net price mix raw mats for 2021? That's my first question.

Speaker 2

Okay, Gabriel. So as we said, we should price mix raw material and all of the inflator should price index should allow us to cover all inflator impact. And I just want to draw your attention. I was mentioning earlier the magnitude of the price effect over the 1st 9 months, we are speaking about EUR 420,000,000 including EUR 290,000,000 on the 3rd quarter. So it lets you imagine the impact of both the raw material, the logistic costs and the energy costs that we are facing in our operations.

We have always in the past in this slide, we always mentioned raw material and cost synergies, particularly because in 2019, 2020, we have seen some countries implementing duties based on finished products or on raw materials. And that's true that we have had this year the notion of logistics and energy cost because the rise in energy and in logistics cost is particularly spectacular. And when mentioning energy cost, it's really an order of magnitude that we have not experiment in the past 7 to 8 years. We have to come back probably to the crisis in between 2017 2011 to see such an inflation on energy. In logistics, you all know that basically the price of a container from Asia to North America, which was sold $3,000 before the COVID-nineteen crisis, had jumped up to $20,000 after the crisis.

Speaker 7

Okay. So maybe are you willing to confirm the net impact, the magnitude of the net impact you expect now hasn't changed since your previous guidance?

Speaker 2

No, the magnitude of the net impact has not changed.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. And then two quick follow ups. 1 on volumes. Could you just confirm the downgrade to SR1 volumes? Is that wholly related to weaker OE growth?

Or are you also anticipating some softer replacement because of your comments around dealer inventory now having been rebuilt? And then my third question is on imports and just what impact we should expect maybe from imports normalizing and what impact lower imports having right now on the pricing environment? Thank you.

Speaker 2

So yes, regarding volume on the CR1, I can confirm you that it's 100% due to the original equipment market. For the replacement, we are in the winter season. We are entering into the winter season, which is generally paying favorably on our volume, at least for the 2 1st months of this quarter. And of course, there is always an uncertainty about the impact of the weather on the season. But the main impact is again the original equipment market situation.

Regarding imports, curiously, in some regions, we have, for example, an important joint venture in North America in distribution, TBC, with a strong business of importing Tier 3 tires from Asia. Of course, they have faced a lot of headwind on the cost side, but they have been able to replenish their inventory and to serve their customers. So we don't see of course, we are seeing some disruptions. The business is not as smooth as it used to be because containers are delayed. Our own assessment is that today you have only roughly 1 third of the boats and the containers that are arriving at their estimated time of arrival in the port.

So you're managing the consequence on the management of the customer demand, customer orders. But we don't expect a drastic change regarding ports, let's say, both in if we look at the women market, both in North America and in Europe.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thanks very much.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Julio Pescatov, Zane. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Thank you for taking my question. The first one on plant utilization. Can you maybe comment on your current rates of utilization? And could that provide maybe a tailwind into next year as potentially your year covers?

Speaker 2

So plant utilization, we generally use a comparison, which is first quarter of 2019, because if you remember well, 2019 was not completely a free ride as the market has also switched during the second half of the year. So overall, in terms of franchise utilization, we were on the Q3 around 92% versus what I mentioned, a standard, which is Q1 of 2019. And it reflects, of course, all the difficulties that we are facing in conversion to hire people to as you know, we are facing labor shortage in some important regions for us. So overall, we believe that we should stay in this range, knowing that practically today our factories are globally running at the maximum of what they can do with the workforce that is present in their premises.

Speaker 8

Okay. And second one, a bit of maybe an exercise for next year. If we were to analyze the headwinds that you're seeing into H2 this year, think about energy, raw material and everything else into next year, do you think you're going to have enough price and mix potentially to offset this headwind? Or if the situation doesn't improve, then eventually the equation is going to turn negative?

Speaker 2

Yes. So you know our policy is, as I said earlier, to systematically try to pass the impact of raw material, energy, logistics, any kind of inflators in our pricing. We stick for this policy for already a while with, I would say, some success. And we are definitively convinced that we should continue. Overall, we have been able in very strategic segments such for example, 18 and above in the SR1 market, in the SR1 segment, not only to increase our price, but at the same time is to gain market share.

So we believe that this policy that has been pretty successful if you look at the price effect in our bridge should continue. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Thomas Besson from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thank you very much. I have a couple of questions, please. First, I'd like to make sure I understand more simply what you're saying, Yves. Yves, a fair summary to say that you're going to reach your guidance despite slightly lower volumes because pricing is much stronger?

Speaker 2

Yes, we slightly lower volume within SCR1, but with a favorable mix effect and a stronger price policy.

Speaker 9

Perfect. Could you confirm that you're also comfortable with current consensus expectations for 2021? Or is that beyond what you want to say for tonight?

Speaker 2

Comfortable, I don't know if it's the right word. But yes, we consider that the consensus although the environment has worsened over the summer, we consider that we should be able to achieve what the consensus is today forecasting.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you. When I look at the Q4 comps, is it reasonable to say that volumes were already tough last year? So maybe it's slightly easier even if the original equipment development seems to be the same in Q4 and Q3?

Speaker 2

Yes. Q4 was pretty strong last year because don't forget that last year, in fact, the rebound, the sharp rebound that was started in Q3, exactly around mid June 2020, has lead to, let's say, the start of the issues regarding supply chain and the sharp decrease in the dealer inventory. And not only our dealer's inventory, but also our inventories. So last year, we cannot say that the Q4 was particularly low. It was already a very strong quarter.

Maybe from a pure financial standpoint, slightly less attractive than the Q3 because against Q3, we were, let's say, opening up our facilities and all the system was playing with a very low cost structure and at its maximum speed. But Q4 2020 was already a pretty good month, good quarter.

Speaker 9

Okay. Last quick question, please. I don't think you've commented on the winter farm market and what you expect for cross climate too. Could you give us an idea of do you expect the winter car market including oil season to grow this year? Where did your inventories?

How did it start so far?

Speaker 2

Overall, in SR1 replacement, particularly in Europe, what you call the old season what we call the old season market has grown sharply since we launched the CrossClimate in 2014. And it's the market the segment of the market that is growing at nearly double digit rate for the past 5 years. And we consider that the cost I made too is adding, let's say, it's an offer that will probably help us to further grow in this segment.

Speaker 9

Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Thomas.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Philippe Quening from Goldman Sachs. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking my questions. I have two questions on China, please. Firstly, could you please comment on the underlying replacement demand you've seen in the region, given that the data there has been a bit softer recently and if that had any implications in your ability to increase the prices? And my second question is on your production in China and whether you've seen any impacts from the recent restrictions on power or you've seen any impacts on your supply chain in the region? Thank you.

Speaker 2

So the challenge in China is, of course, the comparison between 2020 2021. It's particularly true for the SR2 for the truck tire market, but it's also true for the passenger car tire market, particularly the original equipment. So there was some softening during the summer in China. Keep in mind that inventory distributors inventory has been completely rebuilt during the Q2. So we did not have the effect that we had during the previous quarter.

But overall, if I look at the replacement market in China for passenger car tire, it was roughly in Q3 2021 at the same level than Q3 2019. As far as our the impact on the power cut of the power cut on our facilities in China, So as you know, electric city quota has been implemented in 19 province among 30. We have 2 different situation. In Liaoning province, where our main facility is implemented, we were impacted by this quota. So our factory has to shut down some days at the end of September.

Fortunately, they have been able to resume. And for October, we had a minor impact. Our second factory, which is based in Shanghai, has not been impacted by the power cut decisions.

Speaker 1

Edouardos Pilar from HSBC. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hello. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my two questions. The first is on capacity and CapEx. I understand that you mentioned that you're running your plants at a reduced capacity also because of bottlenecks in shipping.

And I think you also mentioned that you do not expect an improvement in the foreseeable future. So I wanted to ask how this will be impacting your capital investments, if you would like to increase capacity as a result of this or you expect other competitors to do so? Or in fact, if you prefer to wait for, I don't know, a few quarters or years for a normalization of this supply situation? And the second question is more on the truck market. If you could comment and compare the market a little bit a few years ago, especially Europe, maybe 5 years ago or so, are you seeing a more consolidated, more disciplined market in the truck business, which is helping also your EBIT overall?

Is it a function of raw materials, maybe impurities? If you can comment a bit on that, it would be great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

So, Eduardo, we are having capacities short term. Generally, we are in an industry where CapEx lead to capacity increase, but after a while, because there is always a ramp up timing. So you don't, let's say, increase capacity on the spot like that. And as I mentioned, our capacity are today limited partially by the shipping situation, but mostly by the labor shortage that we are facing and which is acute in particularly in North America. And of course, it has an impact the global supply situation has an impact on our CapEx.

That's why in our, let's say, free cash flow equation, we will probably stand less CapEx in 2021 that we expected at the beginning of the year. But we'll have to catch up in the years to come in order to compensate the delay in the implementation of some programs, because for some equipments that we need to implement in our factories are needing microconductors or sometimes some basics supply are missing. Regarding the truck market in Europe, well in 2019, there was the implementation of custom duties from tires coming from China. These custom duties are supposed to last till 2023, if I remember well. Some of the Chinese players that have facilities in Southeast Asia in the meantime redirect some of their sourcing to Europe through their Southeast Asian facilities such as Vietnam, Thailand, mostly Vietnam and Thailand.

Regarding price, I will not comment, let's say, our competitors' behaviors. What we can say is that we have passed up to now a free price increase. It might be a bit early to qualify the third one, but the 2 first one has been accepted by the market and most of our competitors have also increased their price more or less simultaneously.

Speaker 8

All right. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Michael Jackson from Bank of America. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. I know you've covered inflation and freight costs already, but it seems a large proportion of the inflation we've witnessed in various cost items has come towards the end of Q3. So my question is, the first question is, is your guidance for a positive net price cost impact based on current prices in energy and freight markets? That's the first question.

And linked to the second question, to what extent is Michelin exposed to freight contracts, which are yet to be negotiated to reflect the highest spot freight rates? And my final question is, are you not worried about potential demand destruction if replacement tire market prices rise too much from the current levels? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. So that's a lot of questions. First, what you have to understand is that we are roughly between raw materials, semi finished and finished products around 4 months of inventory. So when you purchase raw material, for example, now, raw material reached our factory in October. If this material, this given material will be will impact our cost of goods sold in January next year.

So you have also a delay between the moment you acquire a material and the moment this material translate in the cost of the tire that you have produced and that you are selling. So that's why also there is this phenomenon, this lag effect, which impacts although we have started to see the raw material price increase during the Q1. But if you remember well, at the end of the Q1, the raw material by themselves were not really not yet we are not feeling the increase in our P and L. But that later that phenomenon impacted our cost structure. So that's the first element of answer.

The second element of answer is that we increased the price between 1st September and 1st October. Of course, based on the information that we had at the end of the summer and during the month of September, and we size the magnitude of this price increase in order to cover the inflation to come in our cost of goods sold. So we consider that this positive pricemix raw material should play including during the Q4? I'm sorry, I'm going to ask you to repeat your 2 other questions.

Speaker 11

Sure. No problem. The second question is to what extent is Michelin exposed to freight contracts, which are yet to be negotiated to reflect high spot rates? And then the last question is, are you worried at all about potential demand destruction if replacement tire prices continue to rise from each levels?

Speaker 2

So regarding shipping straight contracts, they are as we are an important payer because we import a lot of containers of natural rubber, for example, from Southeast Asia to Europe or to North America. And simultaneously, we export a lot of tires from Europe or North America to the rest of the world. We have generally contract that we renegotiate, let's say, between the end of the year and the Q1, and that generally plays from 1st April or 1st May. So for the current year, prices have been fixed. Of course, if we need to because we are either underestimated our needs or we are facing new needs, sometimes we have to go in the spot market and there the prices are not the same.

But most of our shipping costs are, let's say, framed within contract with the major shipping lines. As far as the price impact on the demand, our market is a need based market where both consumers and fleet are not buying tires for their pleasure. So when you have to replace your tires, particularly when you know that either you want to postpone the acquisition of a new brand new vehicle or you cannot get a brand new vehicle, which is the case nowadays with scarcity of the rolling market. This has for the time being limited effect on the final our price and the limited effect on the final demand.

Speaker 11

Thanks. If I could maybe just slip in one follow-up to that. I mean just going back to the freight costs. I mean if we look at where spot rates are relative to contract rates, in some instances it looks like spot rates are 2 to 3 times higher than what prevailing contract rates are, which means there could be a potentially very sizable increase in contract rates going into next year. Are you able to give us some sort of indication of the quantum, how large it could potentially be either in terms of how many containers you move or what percentage of total costs freight contributes?

Speaker 2

It's a significant I cannot disclose you the detail. And by the way, I don't have in mind the number of containers removed, but we are shipping we are selling roughly 3,300,000 tons of finished products. So we are purchasing equally the same quantity, more or less the same quantity of raw material, which give you, let's say, the impact of the shipping on our P and L. So we are not speaking about a few millions, but we are speaking more about 100 of 1,000,000. So I believe Michael was the last person to ask for question.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 2

Yes. So thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, for your attention. And we'll have our next, let's say, official communication will be early February with full year results and 2022 guidance. So in the meantime, I wish you all the best, and I'm sure that we'll be in contact with some of you in by the end of the year. Thank you very much, and thank you for your attention.

Bye bye.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for your participation. You may disconnect.

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