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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Jul 26, 2023

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Michelin conference call. As a reminder, to ask a question, you may press star and one on your telephone during the Q&A session. I will now hand over to Mr. Florent Menegaux, Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Yves Chapot, General Manager and Group CFO. Gentlemen, please go ahead.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

Thank you. Good evening, good morning, and good afternoon to all. Yves and I are very pleased to welcome you to our half a year results. Without further introduction, I will start directly by saying that Michelin has delivered sales growth of 5.9% in the 1st semester and has increased its segment operating income by 11.4% over the semester on adverse markets. The free cash flow before M&A reached EUR 922 million. I'm pleased to tell you that we have revised our guidance upwards on both segment operating income and free cash flow.

If we enter into more details, the sales, up by 5.9% to EUR 14.1 billion, were lifted by a pricing discipline and the fast growing non tire sales. The tire markets were flat in passenger car and decreasing in trucks, supported by OE, but penalized by the strong destocking from distribution and B2B fleets. The tire sales volumes were down by 3.7%, reflecting market dynamics and group's priority on value accretive segments. Our price mix effect reached 9.4%, recognizing the value of our offers, and we recorded net positive mix despite adverse OE/RT sales development. Our non tire sales grew by 17% at constant exchange rate, fueling our group's growth. The currency effect turned negative at -1% due to the depreciation of most currencies against the euro.

Our segment operating income increased by 11.4% to EUR 1.7 billion, reflecting our value steering, our value management of, and the value management has been offsetting the cost inflation and the negative impact of volumes. The auto and specialties segments have increased their performance. The road transportation is facing negative OE/RT mix. Their volumes were heavily impacted, the plant loading and the fixed cost absorption has suffered from that. We had a strong price mix effect, benefiting from sustained product mix enrichment and the pricing policy and lag effect of indexation closures. The specialty segment, the segment three, operating margin has been reaching 18.3%, coming back to where it used to be, supported by a dynamic mining, aircraft, and high-tech materials businesses.

Our free cash flow before acquisition reached EUR 922 million, driven by tight business steering. Of course, it benefited from our EBITDA, reaching EUR 2.6 billion or 18.8% of our sales. The working capital has been benefiting from the tight inventory management and the cash recovery we carried over from the Q4 of 2022, and our positive cash generation from TBC, including the divestment of some company owned retail network in the U.S. The fourth point is our growth beyond mobility has been accelerating with the FCG, Flex Composite Group, acquisition, in line with our group ambition to become a key player in polymer composite solutions.

As I was telling you, our 2023 guidance has been revised upwards with a segment operating income we forecast to be in excess of EUR 3.44 billion at constant exchange rate, and of our free cash flow before acquisition in excess of EUR 2 billion. If I now come back to the resilience of our business model, I think sometimes we forget that we are not strictly an automotive supplier. Of course, it is true when we say we are an automotive supplier, but we cannot summarize our activities to this. We see on the chart, you see on your screen, that our dealings with auto OEMs only represent 9% of our revenue. The rest of our revenue is generated in various market segments with different cyclicalities.

Coming back on our strategy, Michelin in Motion 2030, we want to expand the reach of our know how to other sectors. we see on the chart, on the top right, our new activity, the polymer composite solutions. With our recent FCG acquisitions, we will get to the final when we will get the final approval of the regulatory authorities to acquire FCG. This overall sector, including FCG, will represent 5% of our revenue. This segment is growing faster than the rest of the group. The share of these activities is therefore going to grow within our revenue. If I now move to conclude into our introduction, already there.

If you see on your screen, at the core of our strategy, Michelin in Motion 2030, we want to leverage our deep innovation capabilities that feed our group leadership in the chosen, targeted end market we operate in. You see on the left, what are these deep innovation capabilities, and on the right of the screens, where we operate. From the tire businesses, we have seven core businesses, ranging from passenger car, both with the OEMs and mainly on replacement, down to two wheel or aircraft. On the services to fleet, we have three main offer: MICHELIN Connected Fleet, which offers a blend of different services, digital services to fleet. We have our tire as a service operations, where basically we lease our tire and we manage the tire on behalf of our customers.

We have our recent new activity, Watèa by Michelin, aiming at helping fleets to move to electric mobility. We have our third element, which correspond to our beyond tire activity, our polymer composite solutions. You will see there, we have four main businesses there the sealing technologies, the belting solutions, the engineered fabrics and films, where FCG fits, and the engineered polymer. Let me now leave the mic to Yves, who is going to detail you our performance.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, or good afternoon. For following Florent's introduction, I will try to provide you some more details about our H1 performance and our full year guidance. Let's start with the 360 view on our performance during the first semester. This performance is very solid across the board, either we speak about people or profit or planet. On the people side, we have further improved our diversity, particularly the gender diversity, with now 29.7% of women in managerial positions. We have also improved our total case incident rate, so we improved the safety of our operations from our employees' point of view, and it's with an enlarged scope of employees than in 2022.

On the profit side, I will zoom afterwards, I mean, all the indicators are green. On the planet side, we have chosen to highlight two important KPIs. First, our scope one and two CO2 emission, that has been reduced by 14% on a 12 month rolling basis, and our water consumptions, which has been reduced by 11% on the same period. Moving now to the financial performance, I will start with the description of where the market stands during the first half of the year. In 2023, first half of 2023, the market have demonstrated very contrasted pattern, depending on whether we speak about the business segment, the OE/RT markets or the geographies.

In a nutshell, you see that over the semester, passenger car and light truck tire market has been overall flat, but with a 9% increase in original equipment and a 2% decrease in replacement. This 2% decrease has been mainly focused on Western Europe and the Americas, when continents, regions of China have seen their market increasing. The passenger car, passenger car is roughly in line or slightly better than what we expected, at least for the quarter. Regarding truck, it's another story. The market has shown lower performance than what we expected during the quarter. They were even below the ranges, the lower range, that we share with you at the beginning of the year.

The market has been down by 4% overall, with original equipment at +9% and replacement at 0%, but with also, very strong decrease in some markets, such, Western Europe. It's mostly due, in both case, to a destocking, an activity that has been pretty, resilient if we look at, mile driven in the U.S., for example, for passenger car or, fuel consumption in Europe, which is a good proxy of, let's say, mobility. On the truck side, we are seeing the final demand or slow, maybe a little bit, more timid with, for example, ton and kilometer transported in the U.S. at -0.8%, but not, massive evolution. What we have seen mostly is a massive destocking, both at distributors and at fleets for the, truck tire market.

We consider that the destocking is nearly, is probably finished for passenger car and light truck tires. We still probably continue till the end of the Q3 for truck tires. In these conditions, our revenue has been increasing by 5.9%, reaching EUR 14.1 billion. You see that, well, beside a very small scope effect due to the acquisition of CPS in our conveyor belt activity, our volumes, our sales have been negatively impacted by the volume, -3.7%. In this volume, we must always keep in mind that Russia is accounting for 1.1%.

Without Russia, the volume loss has been only 2.7%. An important price and mix effect, which is coming from mostly three drivers. The first one is a full year effect of the increase, the price increase that we implement during the first half of 2022. The second one is the increase, the price increase that we implement January 1, 2023. The third one is the effect with the lag of the raw material close adjustments for all our contracted businesses. Non tire grew by 17%, contributing to 0.8% at the growth of the group sales. We have started to see a negative currency effect 1.0% over the period.

Looking now at our segment operating income, it raised by 11.4%, nearly twice the pace of our sales improvement, and is reaching EUR 1.7 billion. Our segment operating income increased by nearly 1 percentage point at constant exchange rate, with reaching 12.4% for the semester. It's an improvement at constant exchange rate of EUR 235 million, which has been only EUR 74 million if we take in account the negative effect of the Forex. In volume, we have an important drop-through effect due to a negative fixed cost absorption, as our sales has been down by 3.7%, but our production has been down by nearly 10% over the semester.

Raw material prices has continued to increase over the semester in our cost of goods sold, but is stabilizing at the end of the semester, when other inflators, energy for the beginning of the semester or other operating costs or wages, labor costs, are still increasing. Our mix is impacted, which is EUR 47 million, is impacted by the negative OE and RT mix across all the segments. We still have a very positive product mix in the SR1, but we have a negative mix in all the segment, and particularly in the SR2, and some extending in SR3. We should also note that our price effect include the compensations of the Forex for some currencies, such the Turkish lira or the Argentinian pesos, for nearly EUR 19 million.

The price mix, raw material, and manufacturing and logistics is extremely favorable over the semester. Non tire business are also contributing positively to the growth of our operating income. Looking now at our performance segment per segment, SR1 performance has improved. The sales of SR1 are increasing by 6.4%, with a volume effect of -2%, which is exactly the weight of Russia in our 2022 versus 2023 volume effect. Without Russia, SR1 sales has been volume-wise flat. The operating income is improving by 10.7%, thanks to our market share gain in, let's say, growing nineteen in-...

18-inch and above segments, which is now accounting for 59% of the MICHELIN brand sales on the semester, up by five point versus the first semester of 2022. The second segment, the transportation segment, sales heavily penalized by the volumes, minus 8%, mainly from replacement in Europe, heavily impacted by the destocking, and also it's penalized by the unfavorable market mix. And of course, fixed cost absorption under absorptions, which has impacted directly the margin, the operating margin of the segment, landing at 5% for the first half. SR3 is in line with our expectation. I remind you that we are looking to generate an operating income above 17%.

We are at 18.3% over the semester, an improvement of nearly 500 basic points versus last year. It's supported by very dynamic sales in both mining, aircraft tires, and our high-tech material businesses, including the conveyor belt, the sealing, and the belting or engineered polymers activities. Beyond roads activities, such agriculture, construction, material handling, are a little bit more impacted by the destocking and the OE and RT mix as well. Our free cash flow is probably the record free cash flow for first semester at EUR 922 million before acquisition. It's first driven by EUR 200 million improvement in EBITDA. EBITDA, which reach 18.8% over the semester.

Tight management of our working capital, generally, the working capital tend to increase over the first semester. Of course, in line with our expectation, CapEx and the other elements of the free cash flow are in line with our forecast. The free cash flow has been positively impacted by two, let's say, non-recurring effect. First, the EUR 300 million slide from the Q4 2022 to the Q1 2023, as we have explained at the end of 2022. The cash collected from TBC, including a shareholder loan reimbursements, plus a payment from the proceeds generated from the company owned retail network disposal to Mavis. All that represent EUR 256 million.

Even if we discount these two one off effect, our free cash flow is positive, at nearly EUR 400 million over the semester, which is again a record high performance. That contributes, of course, to the fact that our debt is stable, as we have nearly been able to finance our dividend through the free cash flow generated during the first semester. We have EUR 152 million of M&A, including two operations in our polymer composite divisions, and EUR 50 million coming from the fact that we sold our Russian subsidiary early June. We have to abandon the, let's say, intragroup loans, which is considered as a negative cash effect for the group.

Altogether, the event in Russia, besides, of course, the operating, the sales and the operating, margin impact, as cost to the group, nearly EUR 200 million, EUR 150 million were accounted in 2022, and EUR 50 million during the first half of 2023. In this context, our gearing is stable, nearly stable versus the end of the year, improving by threre points versus June 2022. Our rating agencies have been stable. This slide to demonstrate the ability of the group to increase its margin and its cash generation across the business cycles.

We'll have probably to be a two consecutive year of negative volume effect, while the group will be able to improve its performance, both from the segment operating income and the free cash flow. Before moving to the guidance, I would just like to made a focus on our merger and acquisition portfolio management. Within our Michelin in Motion 2030 strategy, we are more and more actively managing our business portfolio, which is also a way to show and to demonstrate the group ability to create value around and beyond tires. Although some of these activities have been sometimes acquired at a higher multiple than the group core multiple.

During the 1st half of the year, we have conclude, although the closing will happen in the 4th quarter, the acquisition of FCG, Flex Composite Group, which is going to help us to create the leader in engineered fabrics and films, both in Europe and in North America. We have acquired a company in simulation called Canopy Simulations, which is feeding the group artificial intelligence capabilities in engineering and development.

We have acquired TRK, which is the MICHELIN Connected Fleet distribution company in Italy, and we have concluded the deal with Enviro and Antin around the development of a company which is aiming to create the leader in tire recycling in Europe, through pyrolysis, in order, in order to generate recycled oil and recycled carbon black in Europe. On the other end, well, beside of course, the disposal of our Russian activities, we have seen the entrance in Symbio capital of Stellantis, which put a valorization of Symbio of nearly EUR 900 million in enterprise value.

C for $525 million and the proceeds generated to its shareholders, and the entrance of Crédit Agricole in Watèa by Michelin, which has been also, which is for us, a way to boost Watèa growth in the future, and also a recognition of the group know-hows in term of leveraging his knows, in term of understanding road usage and selling insights to fleets in order to improve their operations. Now let's move to our 2023 full year guidance that we have revised upward, following first a reassessment of the market. Regarding passenger car and light truck tires market, as I mentioned earlier, we consider that this destocking is nearly achieved

Looking forward, Q3 and Q4 will see different pattern, because in Q3 last year, we've seen the rebound of, for example, the OE market in China, and then the cool down during the Q4 when the COVID-19 strike again. We'll have some comparisons basis that will be very different during the two coming quarter. We are expecting overall, that overall passenger car and light truck market should be either flat or slightly decreasing over the year, so between -3% and 0%. Truck tire outside China should continue to see a destocking on the replacements side, at least till the end of the third quarter, in the context of economic uncertainties.

On the other hand, we see that particularly in Europe, OEMs order book are still very robust. We should continue to see this slight imbalance between original equipment and replacement during the second half of the year. All in one, we consider that if we put aside China, we have revised onwards our overall market forecast, which include, of course, part of what has been done during, been achieved during Q2, to between -1% and -4%. Specialties should be nearly flat plus, if we look overall, we still have to see a strong demand in mining and aircraft. Aircraft, due to the recovery of the commercial market, particularly in the Western World.

Mining is still holding very strong, although we have very high comparison basis for the second half of 2022. Beyond tire, we expect a slight growth in agriculture, but it will be offset by lower demand in material handling and construction, with the same phenomenon of destocking in these segments. Which is a bit the case also in two wheels. After the COVID-19, there was a surge in demand in two wheels, both in OE and replacement. For example, we are still seeing high level of inventory, for example, in bicycle, which is going to slightly depress the market for the year to go. In that context, we update our scenario.

We consider that the volume will be probably lower than what we expected at the beginning of the year. I remind you, H1 was at -3.7%. We consider that H2 will see an improvement, but will not fully compensate the impact of H1. Cost inflation, we consider we should have still around EUR 200 million of inflation over the year, if we look at all inflation. After nearly EUR 560 million of inflation during the first half, it means that we'll start to see some deflation or interim cost reduction in our cost of goods sold during the second year. It might not fully compensate the inflation that we have seen during the first half.

Overall, we should generate a positive mix between net price mix and cost inflation factors. Our CapEx are probably going to land at a lower range of the, of the range that we share with you at the beginning of the year, around EUR 2.2 billion. In this context, our segment operating income should, at constant exchange rate, be above EUR 3.4 billion, and our free cash flow, including FX, should be above EUR 2 billion. I must add that we have EUR 60 million negative Forex effect during the first half of the year. This figure will probably increase during the second half.

We do not have a crystal ball regarding currencies, but if we just take the currencies at the end of H1, and we use it as a reference for the second half, we should have seen a negative Forex of nearly EUR 200 million on our segment operating income during the second half of the year. Thank you very much for your attention, and we can now move to a Q&A session.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star and one on your phone keypad. Please ask your questions in English. The first question is from Michael Jacks of Bank of America.

Michael Jacks
Director of Equity Research, Bank of America

Hi, good evening, Yves. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two. The first one is on indexation. When should we expect to see the first major impacts of the lower raw mat costs? Is the timing going to be different between SR1, SR2, and SR3? Could you perhaps just provide a little bit of steer on the potential magnitude of the indexation adjustments that are needed at current spot raw material prices? Could you also then please remind us what proportion of total group sales are indexed? One additional question, please just on the employee bonus effects for 2023. Can you just remind us how that will impact the bridge in the second half of the year, and whether or not it's included in the cost inflation guide or in SG&A? Thank you.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

I will take a portion of the question, and then Yves will complete. As far as the bonuses, management bonuses are concerned, we have raised the bonus provision because we anticipate our results to be better than what we had envisioned previously. We have upgraded, of course, our forecast, including a better provision for management. Sorry, general bonuses, indexed on the group. As far as the indexation closures between SR1, SR2, and SR3, they vary a lot. Business by business, everyone has contract. It varies from quarterly review to semester review to yearly review. It depends.

On average, you can consider that it takes six months before it applies. Now, due to our forecast, we anticipate that in the second semester, the impact of index close, and all of that has been included in our forecast, of course, will be not major. It will be more significant in the first semester of 2024. Maybe about the proportions, Yves?

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Overall, our index business represents around 30% of our sales. It's slightly below that for SR1 and SR2, and there is a higher exposure to index business in SR3. You can consider that it's around 60%-70% indexed in SR3. Of course, as Florent mentioned, we have different kind of clauses and reference depending on the contracts. Generally, there is a lag between six to nine months depending on the contract. We are expecting a neutral or slightly negative impact on the Q3, a little bit more negative on the Q4. Overall, we are not speaking about huge amount for the second half. Everything is included in our guidance.

Michael Jacks
Director of Equity Research, Bank of America

That's clear. Thank you. Just a technical question, and just on the bonus effect, is that included in the cost guidance of EUR 200 million, or does that fit in SG&A?

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

It's, yeah, it's included in the guidance of segment operating income.

Michael Jacks
Director of Equity Research, Bank of America

Very clear. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Sanjay Bhagwani of Citi.

Sanjay Bhagwani
Director of Equity Research, Citi

Hello, thank you very much for taking my question also. I've got three question as well, like, two of them are actually follow-up to Mike's question. My first one is on the volume drop two. I think, you mentioned that the reason why this is higher in first half is because the production dropped more, particularly in SR2, than the sales. Could you maybe provide some color on, will this actually be normalizing by end of the year? Should we maybe think more of like, let's say, for the full year volume drop-through of 40%-45%? Oh, yeah, any colors on that would be helpful.

My second, sorry, my second question is on to Michael Jacks's follow-up to Michael Jacks's question on the other line item. Is it fair to say that now you are going to be achieving more than what you had targeted? The headwind from the other line item could be more for the full year. Yeah, any more color on that will be very helpful. Finally, on pricing for the full year, if I understood it correctly, in next portion, not a big impact in H2 of this lower raw material cost. Can you please maybe confirm that the pricing messages on the replacement tires has not changed much as well? Just trying to ascertain, maybe large part of these reduced cost inflation guidance directly flows into the earnings. Those are my questions.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

Yeah, I would start with the pricing and the pricing volume ongoing question. Yves will answer on the drop-through and the other line item. On the pricing and volume, the market is now under heavy destocking. There is no point of trying to push some additional volume into inventories at this period of time. We have no intention to change our pricing policy, everything is included in our forecast. We just want to make sure that we valorize the quality of our product and service offerings, rather than trying to chase volume all of that.

What we foresee in terms of volume in the second semester, is that the inventory level in passenger car are probably at the adequate level, except in Europe, in winter, where there is still excess inventory in winter tires in Europe. In the rest of the world, it's at appropriate level. We anticipate still, in terms of volume, some de-stocking in Q3 in truck tires overall because we have to remember that there are three layers of inventories in the truck sector. You have at the dealership, in the fleet, and also in the equipment that are idle when the economy is down. So it takes more time in truck to absorb the excess inventory. Again, in pricing, we think we are priced dynamically according to the value of our products. Now, for the drop-through, maybe Yves and the other line item.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Regarding the drop through first, of course, if you look at the two bridges, you see 66% drop through. In reality, the drop through is 52% on the first half of the year, because our inventory has been also our own company, on distribution companies, has been also de-stocking during the first half. They, their sales, their sellout were better than the group sell-in. It means that our manufacturers' sales have been slightly decreasing more than the 3.7%, has been partially compensated by the distribution sellout performance. This 50% should become around 45% on the second half.

Last year, we had the peak of inventory during the summer, and we had to slow down sharply our operations and our production during the second half. As we have in from a manufacturing standpoint, in a healthier situation at the end of H1, we should not have this such effect in the second half. Regarding the other line items, in fact, in the other line items, we include the movement as we did last year and the year before, regarding the bonuses, in order not to distort the way we can read the performance in term of manufacturing or SG&A.

We should see similar or slightly bigger effect on the second half regarding the first half, because last year we underperformed our objective, so it penalized the second half provision that we for these items. That's, in fact, overall, our forecast include when we build our forecast, we build our guidance, it include the impact of bonuses or this kind of effect on our overall performance.

Sanjay Bhagwani
Director of Equity Research, Citi

Thank you. That's very helpful. Just to confirm, for H2, the other line item are similar or just slightly more, is that correct?

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Higher than the first half, yes.

Sanjay Bhagwani
Director of Equity Research, Citi

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Jose Asumendi of JP Morgan.

Jose Asumendi
Managing Director and Head of European Autos, JPMorgan

Hi, Jose from JP Morgan. A few questions, please. The first one, I wanted to navigate a little bit away from the profit bridge discussion that we always end up having. I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit around the capacity expansion actions you're taking in China. If you could just take us a little through where you're expanding capacity, where you are trimming capacity in SR1 or SR2 on a global basis. That'll be the first one. Second, I'd love to hear a little bit more around when you plan to give us an update with regards to the margin targets. You're making good progress in SR1 and SR3. SR2 will come over time, but when do you expect to, you know, to revisit again, the margin targets?

Is this a 2023 discussion, or is it a little bit more like 2024? Then finally, back to the bridge. I just wanted to confirm, in your guidance for 2023, are you expecting a positive or a negative volume contribution in the second half of the year? Thank you.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Okay, as far as the capacity expansion is, we have to be very clear. There is no capacity expansion in truck. That was our policy for a few years now. In passenger car, we expand capacities mainly in Asia and in North America, where our markets are very good, and where today we are net importers, and we want to, in a local-to-local strategy, we want to make sure that our capacities are located where the markets are. When we put new capacity, it's first of all with 100% electric curing for the environment, and also it's in 18, 19 inch and above capabilities, so that we make sure that we can chase the mix.

And then we also have expansion. We have announced a new expansion in truck tires for agricultural in North America, and we have, and right now we are having some productivity improvement, which may lead to marginal capacities everywhere around the world. As far as the margin targets for what it will be, we will have, we had made a commitment for 3 years from 2020 to 2023. In 2024, we will have a Capital Markets Day where we will discuss together our new commitments for the year to come, and we will rewind where we what we have been achieving. It will be done in 2024. And maybe for the last question?

Yeah, the volume effect should still be negative in the second half, less than the first half, hopefully. We are still betting on a negative volume effect. You see that our overall volume range is now between -2% and -4%. We are at -3.7% on the first half. If we want to land, let's say just in the middle of the range, you can assume that we should be slightly around -2% during the second half.

Jose Asumendi
Managing Director and Head of European Autos, JPMorgan

Very fair. Thank you very much.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Ross MacDonald of Morgan Stanley.

Ross MacDonald
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yes, thanks. Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. It's Ross MacDonald at Morgan Stanley. Three questions, if I may. Firstly, just on the EBIT guidance, for 2023, over EUR 3.4 billion and the over EUR 2 billion free cash flow guidance, can I just check the assumptions you're making underlying that guidance? Is this based on -4% volumes, but with the implicit assumption that there's no price cuts in the second half? I think if I understand your previous comments correctly, you're saying we should assume no SR1 price cuts with this new guidance. Secondly, on the free cash flow outlook, specifically, if we assume that you hit this EUR 2 billion free cash flow target, can I check if you have any short-term plans to return some of that extra cash to shareholders, potentially via a share buyback program?

Lastly, on asset disposals, obviously some of the first half free cash flow beat is helped by asset disposals. Could you maybe comment on how you're thinking about your retail portfolio after that transaction? Whether that's been right-sized at this point or if there's scope for more disposals in the future. Thank you.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

Okay, I will take some part and you will take other parts of your question. First, as far to returning to shareholders, we have a policy there where we have been very explicit. We favor dividends, and we are gradually increasing the dividend policy. We will have the discussion after the year end of 2023 to see how do we allocate cash, depending on where we are, and how our strategy is developing. As far as in our guidance, in our EBIT guidance and the cash flow guidance, we have included all the assumptions, whether our pricing policy, the indexation clause, the additional bonus.

We have put everything in it, we won't go into details about how we are going to manage, basically I've been very clear in the beginning, saying that in term of pricing policy, we don't see in a heavy destocking environment, why we should try to outsmart others in selling, where we would just displace inventories without probably structurally gaining anything. At this stage, we don't, we have a dynamic pricing policy that has proven very efficient, we will continue on that on that policy. Maybe Yves, you can comment on that?

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Yes, regarding, there was some asset disposal in our JV in North America. Just to give you a little bit of background, we entered into this JV with Sumitomo Corporation in 2018. At that time, we injected a little bit more than $600 million in the JV because most of the assets was coming from our partner. The aim of the JV was to build the second largest wholesaler in the U.S. market, that we have done that. The JV is still owning this asset, which is called NTW. Part of that, this JV is also operating two franchise, very successful franchise program. One is Midas, and the other one is Big O.

The last, this JV is also operating wholesale in Mexico and having some import activities in the North American market. From the beginning, we knew that we wanted to dispose of the retail, the company owned retail activities, which were diluted from a rocky standpoint. Simply, we have not been able to achieve it earlier, because in the meantime, we have two and a half years with COVID-19 and a lot of, let's say, external events. It has been made possible, it's a project that has taken nearly one year. It has been achieved during the second half, now basically we get back nearly at the end of the semester, we get back nearly 60%.

60% of the cash that we injected in 2018. We still have on top of that, the asset, which is key for our market access in the North American and the U.S. market, which is for us, our most important market in term of size. We simply, let's say, deploy our strategy. We earlier said that we were not contemplating further investing in company owned retail, at least in store, in brick-and-mortar retail activities. If we might have some other divestment in the future, but it will be highly connected to the strategy and what I describe as a more active management of our business portfolio in order to move towards, let's say, a higher value or more performing business segment.

Ross MacDonald
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

Maybe the last question. In the EBIT guidance, Florent mentioned the price. We have no plan price cuts across the board, and particularly in SR1. There will be some mechanical effect of some raw material close partly in the at the end of the semester. We indicate you a range regarding the volumes. Generally, at this stage of the year, you can bet on the middle of the range till we give you a little bit more indication in the future. Again, everything is included in our forecast.

Ross MacDonald
Equity Research Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks again.

Operator

The next question is from Philipp König of Goldman Sachs.

Philipp König
Stock Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hey, guys, thank you for taking my questions. I just want to come back to the EUR 3.4 billion on the new SOI guidance. It does, you know, at the lower end, it does still imply a lower SOI in the second half than in the first half, where you did EUR 1.75 billion of segment operating income. If I think about what you've sort of laid out throughout this call, it seems like volumes are getting better, inventories are at more normalized levels, pricing seems to be holding up, or you plan to keep prices stable in the replacement market, and there's deflation when it comes to your costs.

Is it fair to say that the EUR 3.4 billion is a fairly conservative assumption, and there's not really any reason why the second half SOI could actually be better than the first half if we exclude the FX? My second question is on the working capital. Obviously, seen an improvement in the inventories in the first half, but if we think about the full year, do you expect working capital to be a tailwind compared to 2022? My last question is just coming back to the price mix. Very simple. For the second half, do you expect price mix to be positive, neutral, or maybe a slight negative? Thank you very much.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

Okay. On the EBIT, theoretically, you're right. H2 is normally, in terms of seasonality, better than H1. Now, we operate for the past three years in very perturbed environment. At this stage, we've taken our best assumption is, we said we should be in excess of EUR 3.4 billion in term of EBIT. I'm sure you can make your assumption. We think that that's why we say it's strictly above EUR 3.4 billion.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

At.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

At the exchange rate.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Exchange rate.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

Exchange rate, because the dollar is weakening against the euro right now. As far as the working capital, we still, we continue with our tight inventory management. Depending about how the market is talking, the speed at which it will adjust, we may have better sales or not, but we. It's very difficult to assess at this stage, especially in the truck tires. That's why we've taken in terms of cash flow as well, the best estimate of what we think we can achieve seen from today. Maybe Yves, if you want to.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

To come back on the SOI guidance, H1, H2 versus H1, at historical exchange rate, don't forget that last year we have a complete different pattern with a very low, a relatively low H1 performance and very high H2. We have to, when you look at the progress year-on-year, you have to look at that. At historical exchange rate, H2 should be better than H1. Of course, there will be the impact of the Forex during the second half. Working capital should continue to improve, at least in value, in the second half. When you look at working capital, you look at the balance sheet, so you look at the lending at the end of the year or the semester.

Volume wise, we might lend not too far from the volume we had in end of 2022, at least in finished product because we have a better sales in H4 last year than what we expected. Value-wise, we should see the impact of the particularly the raw material cost on the value of our inventories.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

The price mix effect in H2 would be slightly better than what we have had in first semester. It depends on the.

Philipp König
Stock Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

... index close, which are going to affect the price.

We consider that price should be nearly neutral over the second half. The mix, product mix should continue to be the same. We are also expecting, let's say, a less negative OE and RT mix. We should benefit from the effect of a decrease in the cost of goods sold, particularly in terms of raw material, transportation, and in some aspect, energy, although it's a little bit more tricky to forecast. When at the same time, we are still seeing some inflators, for example, on the labor cost side.

Philipp König
Stock Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you very much.

Operator

We would like to ask all participants to please limit their questions to two maximum. The next question is from Thomas Besson of Kepler Cheuvreux.

Thomas Besson
Head of Automotive Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you. I have two themes then, please. First one on M&A. Could you update us on whether you plan several mid-sized deals like the one you just announced, or are eventually prepared to go for a more transformational larger deal? Whether you effectively commit to the amount that have been discussed so far, EUR 5 billion-EUR 10 billion maximum budget, and therefore totally rule out any potential new rights issue for acquisitions. Finally, on that topic, is it reasonable to assume that you're going to concentrate acquisitions likely over 2023-2025, to increase your chances to meet your 2030 ambitions in terms of proportion of revenues outside cars? Then, the second topic, I'd like to discuss, much more simple.

You're still showing SR3, including SR4, despite the growth of this future SR4. Could you just give us a slightly more detailed view about how much it accounts in terms of revenues and margins, whether it's really different or not, and whether you will separate that as after your CMD in 2024, or whether we have to wait until it accounts for more than 10% of group revenues? Thank you.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

To the second question, I think you have. In your question, there is the answer. We've been very clear saying that we will split segment four, if it's significant in term of, if it's meaningful, basically. If it's above, 10% of the group revenue, that's when we will issue segment four. 10% of the group revenue is a IFRS standard. Afterward, it's if one day we arrive at 8.8 or 9.3, we might decide to, then it's a management decision, to publish a separate segment.

Okay, in your question, the segment four that is embedded in segment three, has similar margin as the average segment three. Roughly it's within segment three, you have different activities, some are more accretive than others. The one on the, what you call segment four, are accretive compared to others within segment three. Now as far as M&A, we are very happy to have concluded FCG, that our focus now is to as soon as we get the authorization, then integrate that activity. We are very active in terms of M&A, what we've been saying constantly, it is true that we have a strategy Michelin in Motion 2030. We have said, we think that this activity should represent between...

This new activity should represent between 20% and 30%, and if you do the math, we will need to do some acquisitions, and it ranges between EUR 5 billion and EUR 10 billion, which may occur between now and 2030. It may be that different avenues towards achieving our strategy, there is an avenue where we make bigger deals, and an avenue where we make a sum of smaller deals. There is so much volatility in the capacity to conclude deals that we cannot be more explicit than that. We confirm the fact that, yes, we will need to, in order to achieve our objective by 2030, to do some deals amounting between EUR 5 billion and EUR 10 billion, and all of them would be financed through cash anyway.

Thomas Besson
Head of Automotive Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Giulio Pescatore of BNP Paribas.

Giulio Pescatore
Director of Automotive Research, BNP Paribas Exane

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just two for me, one on the guidance and one maybe a bit more long term. On the guidance, I'm just trying to reconcile the moving parts here. Your cost inflation improved at the midpoint by more than EUR 400 million, like EUR 450 million, right? Your SOI guidance only increased by EUR 200 million. Now, I understand the duration of volumes, but what are the other moving parts that we should consider? The second question, more long term, on the outlook for China. I mean, China in terms of replacement market is still the pretty much the only growing tire market globally. How competitive is the Michelin brand in the market with the consumer?

Is the brand awareness similar to other regions? Are Chinese customers careful, as careful as the European and North American ones in terms of tire quality? How does that compare to other regions? Thank you very much.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

First on China. Our brand equity in China is as strong as what it is in France, to give you an idea. The Michelin brand in China is very, very strong. We, now the markets are what they are, but, in passenger car, we have no issue related to our brand. Our brand awareness, we are far above any other of our competition there. We are, we have a strong expansion plan in passenger car.

In truck tires, we, in business to business, it is a different story. Even though our brand equity is very strong, in business to business, we face a huge overcapacity built in, China, in a very immature transportation market in China. There we, it's more difficult. In passenger car, you can be assured that we have very strong foundations for our growth in China. Maybe Yves on the guidance.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

I'm sorry, before we move to the guidance. On the guidance, of course, we'll have cost inflation, improvement on the second half, but which will be partially offset by the volume effect, by a little bit of SG&A increase, and the category others, which are the provision on the bonuses or deferred payment to employees. On top of that, don't forget that on the first half, we have a huge price effect, and that price effect should nearly be at 0 on the second half, between still some effect of increase, compensated by the fact that raw material, close adjustments will play negatively over the semester.

We will have a comparison basis that will be less favorable than H1 2023 versus H1 2022. We had a stronger H2 2022. We will compare that to a stronger H2 2022. Don't forget that last year, H1 was EUR 1.53 billion, when H2 was EUR 1.86 billion. We generate EUR 300 million more EBIT SOI in the second half than in the first half. It was partially striking on the SR3 performance, which has started to turn around during the second half. When we compare the two semesters versus last year, we don't compare on the same comparison basis.

Giulio Pescatore
Director of Automotive Research, BNP Paribas Exane

Okay. Thank you much. Can I just squeeze in one quick one? What percentage of your sales is winter tires? Just as a reminder. Thank you.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

We don't catch the question. Can you repeat the question?

Giulio Pescatore
Director of Automotive Research, BNP Paribas Exane

Sorry. Yeah, the winter segment, how large it is in % of sales?

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

I don't know, in the top of my mind, because it's around, I think, in Europe, it's probably around 20% or 20% of our overall sales. We are over-index in all-season and under-index on the market on the pure winter tires. Pure winter tires. In Europe, I don't have the figures, including Asia and U.S. With our MICHELIN CrossClimate offer, we have redefined the category in Europe.

Giulio Pescatore
Director of Automotive Research, BNP Paribas Exane

Okay, thank you.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Steve Fernandes of Societe Generale.

Steve Fernandes
Automotive Equity Research Analyst, Societe Generale

Hi, Steve Fernandes from Soc Gen. Thanks for taking my question. I think I've heard, I've got most of the answers I want. Just two, kind of, more long term ones. If I scroll to the latter slides in your, in your pack, it looks like your BEV share has come down from 3.5% in kind of premium BEVs, down to 3x your market share. Could you just talk about the competitive landscape for BEV tires, and how you, how you think your market share could evolve, as the market grows, in size? Secondly, kind of, more longer term as well, could you talk about the potential opportunity for you, in terms of the Euro 7 proposals, that were made towards the end of last year, in terms of, particle wear on tires? Thank you.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Yeah. As far as BEV are concerned, we have said, we've been very explicit in the beginning, that our share will, over time, diminish as the BEV share amongst all vehicle increases, because we do not operate on every BEV electric vehicles. We select the vehicles where we want to be, and as the offer by many OEMs in the world are increasing, they are reaching segment type of cars that we don't really want to be in it. It doesn't change the technical dynamic we have. We have a very competitive offer in OEMs. We choose to play on with certain type of cars versus others.

That's why structurally, our share will diminish, but it is still way above our average share in the market, we operate. From China to the U.S. or in Europe, is the same dynamic. As far as Euro 7 is concerned, yes, there is a package inside Euro 7 regarding the particles emitted through tires. It's called tire abrasion, and we've been very much in favor of this pack because we, as Michelin, we think that for the society, it is very important that every gram of materials delivers a maximum performance. Amongst tires, you have very wide variety of performances as far as tire abrasion are concerned. I want to reassure you that Michelin tire abrasion is by far the best in the market from anyone.

Yes, we are expecting Euro 7 to be in effect by the end of this year. Impacting 2024.

Steve Fernandes
Automotive Equity Research Analyst, Societe Generale

Thank you. Thank you, that's very clear.

Operator

The next question is from Pierre-Yves Quemener of Stifel.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Yes, good. Good evening. Good evening. Thanks for taking my two question. It's very quick clarification regarding slide nine on the bridge. First one is on the currency. The negative effect in H1 was 61. If you mention the number of EUR 200 million, is it for the full year or for H2 alone? Which would lead the total negative impact of currency on segment operating income to roughly EUR 260 for the full year. Is it EUR 200 for the full year, or EUR 200 for H2? That would be the first question.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

As I said, we don't have we are not expert in Forex. The method we use when we build our own forecast consists taking the last rate of the previous period and use it as a reference for the year to go. If we take the rate at the end of June 2022, 2023, and we apply these rates on our hypothesis, business hypothesis on the second half, we'll have a negative Forex on the second half of EUR 200 million.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Very clear.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Which is a full year effect of EUR 260 million negative. Don't forget that last year, at some moment in Q3, the dollar were nearly at par with the euro.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Yeah, yeah. Hello, that's very clear. I'm not an expert as well on the FX. The other one is on the bucket, other, in the first half, negative by EUR 69. In that number, is there any additional provisioning if compared to the first half of 2022 regarding bonus payments? Whatever the amount has been in 2022, is there an additional provisioning on top of what has been done in 2022, in the first half of 2023, in that bucket set?

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

First you have to know that in Michelin, all employees. Of course, it depends on the, if the company has joined the group just two, three years ago, it might not be the case, but generally, all employees are entitled to a group bonus. It's part of our, the way we want to share the value between our different stakeholders. It's highly variable.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Okay.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

When we underperform, it's really a variable system. In the first half, the effect that you have is mostly due to this, in the other column, is mostly due to this bonus provision update. Versus last year, when we knew already at the end of the semester, that we were going to be challenged, particularly on one of the KPIs, which was the free cash flow. Of course, we are updating this hypothesis-

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Right.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

till the last, the last month of the year. At the end of H1, it's a main effect that you can find in the other effect. There is, of course, always some miscellaneous effect that you will find in this in this column, but most of it is the impact of the bonus provisions.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Okay. The way Michelin works, regarding the bonus scheme is that, you provision in the beginning of the year, assuming that you will reach your target, if you don't, just like last year, you just revert the provisioning and don't pay, in H1.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Yeah, when we build our budget, we consider that, we will achieve it.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Yeah.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

We take the, let's say the bonus, which correspond to just the achievement of the target.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Okay.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

No more, no less. Within the year, generally starting in June, sometimes later, because the jury is sometimes out for a longer time, we adjust the provision depending on the.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

... on our expectations and our reforecast, which is fully included in our guidance. The bonuses are paid during the first half of the following year.

Pierre-Yves Quemener
Senior Equity Research Analyst and Director of Automotive Research), Stifel

Okay. Very, very clear. Thank you.

Operator

The final question is.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

The last question?

Operator

Yes, the final question is from Martino De Ambroggi of Equita.

Martino De Ambroggi
Head of Equity Research and Senior Analyst, Equita

Thank you. Very, very quickly. You mentioned on prices that you expect the most of the negative effect coming in first half 2024. Were you referring just to the automatic clauses or not? In any case, I suppose the rest of the business will follow very, very quickly. The second is on the inflation costs, because at the beginning of the year was a scaring issue, EUR 600, EUR 1.2 billion negative impact, now only EUR 200 million. Could you help us in summarizing what significantly drove such a significant improvement?

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

I will start with the index prices and on inflation, Yves will give you some answers. On the prices, there is no correlation between index closures and our pricing policy on replaced markets. The index closures as with customers, where we have large volumes, long-term commitments, and it's just to make sure that we have no mean of offsetting larger fluctuation in logistics, in input costs, basically, whether logistics, whether labor or whether materials. We have those index closures have their life, and our pricing policy on replacement has other lives. There is no correlation, and we have no intention to change this over time.

What we were saying was only referring to the index closures.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Regarding the inflators, you have seen in the bridge, in the first half bridge, that we have a negative raw material effect during first half of EUR 260 million, and a negative effect coming from other inflators, in particular in manufacturing, including transportation and energy, or other elements. Overall, we will have mostly at the end of the year, we should have a nearly neutral for the full year raw material effect. The raw material effect on the second half should fully hedge the negative effect of raw material on the first half. We still have some inflators on wages. Transportation should also contribute positively.

And energy, or energy, it's, we are hedging part of the energy we purchase, particularly in Europe, but we are not completely immune from a sudden rise of energy prices as we have seen, for example, in August, September of 2022. Overall, it will be slightly with the current hypothesis, we are betting on a slightly positive effect on energy versus last year. Don't forget that last year, in the second half, has been the worst from the energy standpoint, particularly in Europe. We'll have other inflators, such labor cost and some that are direct labor costs, but also the labor costs that we purchase for services that are impacting our cost structure.

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

Thank you, Yves. This concludes our.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Thanks

Florent Menegaux
CEO, Michelin

semester review with you. We will meet you in October to discuss our third quarter and revenue. Thank you very much. See you soon.

Yves Chapot
General Manager and Group CFO, Michelin

Thank you very much. Bye-bye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's Michelin conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect your telephones.

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