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Status Update

Sep 25, 2023

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for the first installment of Let's Talk Beauty, a series of calls that will allow us to meet senior members of our investment, of our management team, and hear from them how their businesses are forever evolving to secure and strengthen their competitive edge. I'm delighted that in the spirit of seizing what's starting, Alexis Perakis-Valat, the Head of our Consumer Products Division, has agreed to host this first call. Before I hand over to Alexis, a quick organizational point. We will be hosting the Q&A in written format. You can write the Q&A button at the top right of your screen. We will take questions in the order received, and as many as time permits. With that, over to you, Alexis.

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Thank you very much, Eva. I'm very happy to be with you and to talk to you about the consumer products division. In my speech, I'm gonna do three things. First, I'll give you some insights about the mass beauty market. Then I'll explain to you our transformation over the last years and the results of our transformation. Then I'll share with you our vision and our optimism for the future of mass beauty and of the consumer products division. Before we go into the presentation, just let me share with you a few facts about CPD. Last year, our revenue was EUR 14 billion. It's 37% of the group's total revenue.

Our operating profit in 2022, again, was at EUR 2.7 billion, operating margin at 19.8%. We sell every year a bit more than 5 billion units, so it's about 70% of the group's annual units sold. We have the chance to have 23,000 extremely enthusiastic employees, and we have great beauty brands, among which three are billionaire brands: L'Oréal Paris, Garnier, and Maybelline. Now, let's talk more generally about the mass beauty market that we see as a very interesting opportunity for the future.

On this slide, you see the growth of the market over the last years, and you're seeing that the mass beauty market is clearly accelerating since 2022, and is projected in 2023 to end in the high single digit area. Of course, part of this acceleration is inflation-led, and will ease, but there's another part that is here to stay, and that is much more structural. Why so? Because we're, we're seeing a very powerful phenomenon, which is the fact that social media fuels consumer savviness and really spreads beauty expertise all across the world. Here you've got some images to illustrate this phenomenon, but you also have some data points on the right that are quite interesting, because as you see, you know, the beauty queries in 2022 were up 9%.

That's 1.5 billion more beauty queries than the year before. What's even more spectacular is the increase in video views. The number of video views almost doubled in 2022 versus 2021, and we're talking about 100 billion videos. This has a very strong impact on consumer behaviors too, and knowledge and behaviors towards beauty. Let me just give you a very personal example. You know, when, when we got married, my wife was 25 years old, and at the time, what she knew about skincare is that some creams were more adapted to normal, to greasy skins, and others to dry and sensitive skins. Today, we have a daughter who's the same age, 25 years old, and she knows about retinol, AHA, BHA.

She knows that when you use retinol in the night, you've got to put SPF in the morning, and she's not at all a beauty junkie. And what's interesting is that it's true in Paris, it's true in New York, but it's also true in Hyderabad, in Bogotá, or in Bangkok, and it's also true among all social classes. So that's a massive phenomenon, and this has two consequences. The first thing is that the more you know about the category, the more you're willing to pay more for products, for products that give you more, that offer you more, and for brands that make you dream. And that's what I would call kind of a natural premiumization of the market, powered by this beauty expertise on the rise.

The second phenomenon, which is specific to beauty, is that this knowledge is developing new beauty gestures and new consumer habits that before were more reserved to, let's say, the upper part of the population or to the selective beauty users. Here, I've put you some examples. Everywhere in the world we see the serum skincare category exploding. It's true in very developed markets, like the US, but it's also true in Indonesia, where serums have tripled since 2020. Same thing, we see that in haircare, the growth of treatment is very fast everywhere in the world. Why? Because people know more about haircare treatments, they're looking for more, and they're looking for the most cutting-edge treatments.

In makeup, 20 years ago, we used to do most of our business with mascaras, foundations, and central core lipsticks. Then we had other categories that at the time we were calling ancillaries. Today, these categories, like brows, like setting sprays, like highlighters, are exploding because every... Thanks to social media, everybody knows how to use them and how they can take advantage for them to be even more beautiful. The last example on this slide is UV, is daily UV photoprotection. We're seeing this category exploding everywhere. It's true in countries where you have a lot of sun, but it's also true in, I would say, more Western countries, where women have understood that the best way to have a great skin throughout their life is to protect it all year long against the sun.

So that's one side of the phenomenon, which is a structural market accelerator. And then the second thing is that we're witnessing all over the world high potential consumer groups that offer new opportunities for growth. Clearly, Gen Zers are more experimental than before, they're more in the know, and they're a big accelerator of the market. But it's true also that we have more and more boomers in many economies that want to live longer, healthier, and more beautiful. Men are not immune to this rise of beauty savviness, and especially young men across the world develop more sophisticated beauty routines. And of course, in the emerging world, this new youth of the emerging world, super connected, super in the know, is a very strong accelerator of the mass beauty market.

Now, against this backdrop, our division today, we strongly believe is stronger than ever. I'd like to share with you, to explain to you, the transformation that we've gone through in the last three-four years. We called it the CPD 3.0 transformation. It's actually based on two very simple ideas. The first idea is that in our job, we have two big value-added activities. First, we have creation. This is what you see on the slide. Creation is really the job of our global brand teams. It's about crafting super desirable brand equities, about inventing very innovative new products, and it's about communicating very well with great content and assets to express our brand.

Here, this is our...t his has always been our forte, but we've worked a lot on being even better, with teams that are international brand teams that are stronger than ever, and that are particularly obsessed about seizing what is starting, and about being always at the cutting edge of trends and of beauty. That's one part. Then there's another very important value-added activity, which I call activation. Here you've got three buckets in activation. First, activation strategy, and that's really... Activation is the responsibility and accountability of the countries and the regions. It's about activation strategy. Activation strategy, it's about putting your money on the right bets in terms of brands, categories, channels. That's really the role of the countries and the regions.

It's about consumer activation in in this new world that is where you've got many ways to communicate with consumers, so it's basically getting the most of your marketing bucks. And then it's about sales and retail activation. And here, you know, I told you that creation is and was our forte. We felt that sales activation, which is building partnership with retailers, executing flawlessly in store, was clearly not our forte, and we worked very hard to improve on that front. And here, as you can see on this slide, you see the yin and the yang. Here, what we want to symbolize through the yin and the yang is that success is 50% creation and 50% activation, and our ambition is to be the best in both.

That's the first idea. The second idea is that we've, in a way, divided our strategy across three worlds of beauty. First, you've got what we call the developed world, which is mostly Europe and North America. This is where we were born and which is very important for us, of course. Then you've got the Chinese world, that requires a strategy on its own because it's a very different world, more premium, very, very good in skincare. That's the Chinese world. Then you've got the emerging world, and by emerging world, we mean Latin America, Sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, the Middle East, and of course, a very big opportunity in Southeast Asia and in India.

What is interesting there in this world is, of course, it's the future. We were underdeveloped in these parts of the world. Also what is interesting in beauty versus food is the word transversality, because, you know, Indians don't eat the same thing than Brazilians. But in terms of beauty, there are lots, there is a lot of transversality in the needs and in satisfaction of consumers, that most, for most of them, live in hot and humid climates, that have darker skin, darker hair. So there is a lot of transversality in beauty needs, and that's why we've developed a transversal yet relevant strategy for the emerging markets. So what are the results of this transformation? First, if we talk of creation, in this period, we've launched great innovations. Here are two examples.

Sky High mascara from Maybelline is the greatest mascara launch of all times. It's a fantastic technology, a fantastic name, and a fantastic mix. On the right, you've seen a new hyaluronic acid serum for the eyes from L'Oréal. These are two examples of the best we can do in terms of innovation, powered by the incredible L'Oréal research and innovation. The second thing that we've improved in terms of creation is we've made big ideas travel much faster. Two examples, the Hyaluron Plump shampoo that was born in China, then launched in Brazil, then rolled out around the world, and the Garnier Vitamin C serum that was born in Southeast Asia, and then that traveled around the world.

What's common also in these two examples is that everywhere we've launched these products, and of course, you know, every time we adapt the formula, et cetera, but the concept, the idea is the same, and everywhere these ideas were a big hit. That was on the creation part. In terms of activation, what I want to talk to you about is sales activation. Here, there is an independent company called Advantage Group International that every year asks retailers about their suppliers, their FMCG suppliers across categories, food, home, home care, beauty, et c.. As you can see, in 2019, in this ranking, we were not good. We were in the bottom tier, number 14 across all categories.

That's why we've worked extremely hard to be seen, as from our retailers, as partners of choice, and you see that in only three years, we've moved from the bottom tier to the top tier. Again, it's not just top tier beauty, it's top tier FMCG. You know, the results, so to make it simple, we've, we've, we've gotten better in creation, and we've also gotten much better in activation, marketing activation, you know L'Oréal, you know our digital expertise, but also, sales activation. Thanks to that, we've, we've been accelerating, as you can see, since 2021, and our first half, 2023, was the best, our best on record. What's interesting about this plus 15, is that it was very balanced. Very balanced between volume and value. You know, our growth was one-third volume, two-thirds value.

Very balanced between the categories. Actually, all our big categories were up double digits in the first half. Very balanced across the brands. Our four major brands were all up double digits in the first half, and very balanced between online and offline. So now what's next? You know, what's our vision for the future? What are the... what is at stake? The first thing is maybe to ground you in the strategy of our group beyond the consumer products division. As you can see, you can see a bit the role of the different divisions of the group across consumer groups. So you can see that L'Oréal Luxe is very much skewed towards the upper middle and the upper middle class, Professional Products as well.

Dermatological Beauty, a bit more upper mid. And clearly, the Consumer Products Division is the specialist of the middle and the upper middle class, I would say the upper half of the middle class. And as you can see here, it's a strategic choice, you know, we're not over-represented in the bottom of the pyramid, because it's not our strategy and it's not our forte. And actually, to be even more concrete, we are determined to increase our penetration among this cost target, which is the upper half of the middle class. It's not the upper middle class, it's the upper half of the middle class. So it's, today, it's 2.4 billion consumers, that will become above 3 billion by 2030.

What's interesting, coming back to emerging, that today already 38% of these 2.4 billion living in the emerging markets that I described to you before, and the share of these upper half of the middle class living in emerging will increase in the years to come. Now, our strategy is extremely clear, and it's summarized by these two concepts, and by the and between these two concepts.

It's about democratizing and premiumizing at the same time, and the and is very important because, we deeply believe that given the insights I shared with you about the mass beauty market, and also given our brand portfolio, what we're good at, our R&D capabilities, we can, and we've, by the way, we've proven it already in the recent quarters, we can, at the same time, democratize and premiumize our business and mass beauty. Talking about brands, because this is our most precious assets, we've got four very powerful, but also very complementary, global brands. It's... And what is great, what I told you, is that they're all growing double digits in the first semester of this year. The number one beauty brand of the world is L'Oréal Paris.

Is a brand that is a luxury brand that happens to be sold at mass. If you think about it, mass is a universe of category killers, and L'Oréal Paris is a global brand with different categories. It's a very unique brand grounded on three pillars. First, cutting-edge science. It bears the name of the group, and it's at the forefront of our scientific innovation. Second, it's feminine and feminist, and you know, because I'm worth it is a feminist tagline, and it embodies this little je ne sais quoi that makes Paris unique.

And to just illustrate that, actually, next Sunday, we're gonna hold the L'Oréal Paris Défilé with Kendall Jenner, which is the latest spokesperson of the brand, right under the Tour Eiffel, in at the heart of Paris. Our second brand is Garnier, and Garnier has found really its purpose as the champion of green beauty, addressing these consumers that are really looking for products that are both super efficient and very sustainable. All that powered by the green science efforts of the group. Maybelline is the world's number one makeup brand. There also, it's great to see how dynamic... you know, all these brands are not only big, they're also super dynamic. And this Maybelline is very dynamic, thanks to many things. Thanks to a fantastic innovation streak.

You've seen Sky High, that's the latest mascara called Surreal, that they're just launching, that is a big hit, and also thanks to an imagery and an equity that is very in tune with today's youth all across the world. As part of our big global brands, we've got NYX Professional Makeup, which is a brand which is rooted in professional makeup artistry, but that is also the brand of entertainment, and that's why this is embodied by the many partnerships that they've done with. They had a partnership with Avatar, and the latest super successful partnership that they had was with Barbie: The Movie last summer, and it was a great hit.

To complement these four global brands, we've got regional growth driver brands that are completing our setup regionally, like Mixa, which is a mass medical expert that was born in France and was only in France until a few years ago, and we've just launched it in Germany, and it's a very big success in Germany, and it's answering very well to this mass medical rise. You've got Essie, which is a very premium nail skin care brand. We've got 3CE by Stylenanda, which is a Korean makeup brand, incredibly successful in Korea and in China. You know, in China, it's among the top three makeup brands online across selectivities, both mass and luxury.

Thayers, which is an American brand that is completing our setup in the U.S., and which is interesting because it's at the intersection of two very ascending trends, nature and health. So you've seen our brand setup. You understand how, with this brand, we can at the same time democratize and premiumize. In terms of regions, here you've got our market share in the big regions of the world. You see that we have opportunities everywhere. You know, even in Europe, which is our founding base, we only have 25% market share, so we can still gain market share, gain market share in Europe. Same in the U.S., where we have less than 20% market share. In North Asia, we have 5% market share.

Of course, that's a blend of China, where we have a slightly higher market share, and Japan and Korea, which are markets that are mostly dominated by local brand. Coming back to emerging, we only have 15% market share in this very high potential emerging markets that I talked to you before. And we really feel that we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to accelerate in emerging markets for many reasons. First, because before, the distribution in these countries used to be very traditional, but e-commerce is changing the game and is allowing us to step change in terms of brand expression and reach. Second, because these consumers are extremely young, and because of that, extremely prone to the explosion of social media.

Third, and that's, I think that's an interesting point, is that in some of these regions, and especially in Latin America, you've got a very big weight of door-to-door. And thanks to social media, thanks to e-commerce, these consumers are really interested by our brands, and we think that we see in door-to-door a great reservoir of recruitment for us. And this is a picture of Riyadh Boulevard in Saudi Arabia. You can see where, and I see it wherever I travel, there is a rise of sophistication and of beauty desire all across emerging. And the other thing is that in emerging, what I was telling you about the positioning of our company on the upper half of the middle class, it's particularly true in emerging.

Here, for example, you can see that in India, it's on the upper left of the slide, 76% of the beauty mass market is done by consumer in the middle and upper socioeconomic class. But for us, it's 85%. So you see that we're overweight on the upper half of the middle class, and you see that it's true in India, in Brazil, and in Mexico. Then we've talked about our brands. We've talked about our regions. Let's talk about our innovation strategy. Three things I wanted to share. First, our first objective when we innovate is to be really new, different, better, more disruptive than ever before. The two examples of this slide, the vinyl lipstick, it's a groundbreaking technology from the L'Oréal labs. Before, if you had long-wear lipsticks, they were always matte.

For the first time, we've achieved to bring to the market a lipstick which is both long wear and shiny. That's one example. The second example is a skin care product from L'Oréal Paris that is hitting the shelf right now, which is a groundbreaking technology against spots of all kinds. The second idea about our innovation strategy is what we call the plus one strategy. I've talked to you about these new beauty habits brewing all around the world, and we want, through our innovation plan, to keep fueling this acceleration and this rise of new beauty habits. That's why we're launching new serums that have a SPF 50.

We're launching new, very interesting brow products that, whose role is to democratize the use of brow products, and we're continuing to develop the serum category, which remains very low in terms of penetration all across the world. The third role of innovation is to premiumize, because precisely, if you come up with products that are truly new, different, and better, you can price them higher. In the case of Good, the hair color that we've just launched, that is 2 x more expensive of a regular Garnier hair color, and it's also the case of Elvive Bond Repair, which is a very big success from Elvive, and which, which costs per ml of this regimen, is 3 x more expensive than the average price of Elseve hair care today.

That's a way for us to premiumize, is to premiumize through really, innovative and, innovative products. Now we've talked about, we've talked about products, we've talked about brands, about regions. Let's talk about our partnership with retailers. We strongly believe that there's an opportunity to step change the way mass is presented, in stores, because it has not changed much since many years. Here, you've got an example of an Italian drugstore. That's the before, and now that's the after. It's the same drugstore, it's the same products, it's the same prices, but we've totally step changed the shopping experience.

We are doing that at scale all across the world, again, because our consumers have changed, they're more demanding, and we've got to make sure that they can shop in much more elevated environments. Beauty tech is extremely strategic for the Consumer Products Division because there is one very important function of beauty tech, which is to bring service in a self-service environment. In a way, how do you define mass? Mass is defined by self-service. Mass is products where you go, and you pick your product yourself. But now, thanks to tech, our ambition is to put a beauty advisor in the pockets of billions of consumers across the world.

This is why, for example, we've partnered with Teams to give the chance to millions and millions of Teams users to try new makeup products, new makeup looks, that make them look better in their Teams call, but also, of course, by trying them at scale, they're gonna be, they're gonna find the right product for them and then go and buy it. That's a tremendous opportunity. On the right, you're seeing a more premium example of beauty tech. It's Colorsonic. Think of it as the Nespresso of hair color, that will be launched in mid-next year in the U.S., and was presented in the CES in Las Vegas.

It's a very interesting device because it's not at all a gadget, it's actually answering to two very key consumer tensions in hair color. First, the fact that hair color is a bit messy, and thanks to that, it's super clean, super easy to apply. Second, the fact that when you use hair color, when you do your kit, then you can always only use it once. There, thanks to this device, you can use a color a bit your hair, and then put it away, and then one month after, recolor. It's a very new vision of hair color. Last, but definitely not least, we want to democratize sustainable beauty. We see it...

You’ve seen that we are 5 of the 7 billion units sold by the group, therefore, we have a tremendous responsibility in the L'Oréal for the Future roadmap, and we want to play our role as much as we can. Play our role in educating with the consumers. Here, you’ve seen our initiative around helping consumers finding the right product in terms of environmental impact. Also, democratizing, reducing packaging intensity. It’s about delivering as much product with as little packaging.

So here you're seeing the restage of Elvive, where we're gonna reduce 20% of plastic for the same amount of product, and the refills in haircare, that we really have the ambition to sell, because when you use a refill, you use 60% less plastic than when you use a finished product, so a full bottle. And we're also very determined to have for our brands social causes, because brands have roles in society. And here you're seeing two examples. I'd like to insist maybe on the L'Oréal Paris one, because it's an initiative to train people against street harassment. It's a training program that shows you how to react when you see street harassment or harassment at the office.

The L'Oréal Paris teams has already trained more than 2 million people across the world with this training, and it's, it's a long-term commitment for the brand. There's another example on Maybelline around mental health. That's, you know, that's it. As a conclusion, you understand that we're, we're extremely confident and optimistic in the future of the mass beauty market, and also in our ability, given everything that you've seen, to leverage and augment the unlimited potential of beauty democratization and premiumization. Thank you.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Thank you very much, Alexis. As I said in the opening remarks, for the Q&A, please use the Q&A function on Teams, and we'll take your questions. Otherwise, also feel free, obviously, to email your questions directly to either Françoise or myself. I got one question, and it's quite long and has many different parts, so I will read it out. If Alexis could speak to another structure change that could be powering emerging markets growth, e-commerce, which can expand L'Oréal's addressable market, given the lack of retail development has been an obstacle in the past. How much is the penetration of e-commerce for CPD? How does it compare with other divisions? And are there any local retailers that have the investment power to invest in logistics, the same way China did a decade ago?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Okay. So that's a great question. No, you know, this transformation of e-commerce is very important, and you have to understand that it's beyond e-commerce, there is also digital marketing. If you take a country like India, for example, I've been traveling to India every single year since more than 10 years, and, you know, in the, in 2013, 2014, I remember nothing much was changing in India. You know, it was mom-and-pop stores, the same established brands, et c.. Now, with the rise of e-commerce in India, not only you have... it gives you access to products, but it also gives you access to knowledge.

You know more about brands, about subcategories, so, so it has a double impact, and it's definitely changing the market, making Indians ready to pay more for products because they, they demand more, so it's a tremendous opportunity for, it's a tremendous opportunity for us. So our, you know, our weight of e-commerce is slightly lower than the other divisions because it also depends very much also on categories. You know, for example, hair care is less penetrated in e-commerce than, say, skin care. So because of our category weight, we're a bit underdeveloped, in versus other divisions.

However, within mass, we're clearly, we're clearly winning in e-commerce, which is normal in a way, because, because we play on the premium, on the upper half of mass, and because our products are more premium, these are the products that when you are an e-commerce retailer, you have an interest to push. Because it's all about... You know, I was in China from 2010 to 2016, so I witnessed the explosion of e-commerce. You make money in e-commerce if you sell products that are expensive, and because of that, within the mass arena, we're seeing our e-commerce partners really pushing us. And also, because of our mastery of digital marketing, it really helps us gain market share. And indeed, I think it's, it's only the beginning.

We're seeing retailers, local retailers and global retailers; it depends. It's sometimes global pure players, à la Amazon, but in India and in Southeast Asia, you've got more regional retailers. There is a business model that can work as long as you have a minimum ordering value.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Great. Thank you very much. I think a couple of people are wondering about your initial comments on pricing, pricing having played a bigger role in 2023 than historically. How do you think about pricing in the second half and as we're going into 2024?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Yeah. I think pure pricing will play a smaller role in the months and quarters to come. First, because we're lapping last year's price increases, and second, because the most likely scenario is that inflation will ease, although clearly not disappear, and certainly not in beauty, because, for example, just our green transformation has an impact on our costs. However, I think that mix, you know, it's about volume, it's about price, but it's also about mix, and we're very focused on this mix component. And I believe that mix will continue to play a very important role because of everything that I've explained to you about the launches that we're doing.

Because there is this what I call this natural premiumization of the market, because consumer are more savvy. So we're seeing pure pricing play a lesser role, but we see mix staying very dynamic. And of course, we also want to keep the volumes going because it's about democratization and premiumization.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Great. A question that puts CPD into the broader, L'Oréal spectrum: What are the synergies with and the competition from the other L'Oréal divisions?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

No, that's a great question, and I have to say that we're really working as a team under the leadership of Nicolas Hieronimus, and that we're sharing many, many things. And if you think about it, the strength of L'Oréal is that we're a beauty pure player, and when you're a beauty pure player, we've got the chance to play on all channels where beauty is sold and all that across the world. That's our strength. The strength is that we're a global beauty pure players, and clearly, to play on this strength, we've got to share. So of course, we're sharing R&D. We've got a common R&D, but there are lots of other capabilities that we're sharing around e-commerce, around digital, of course, around beauty insights. You know, there are...

What I'm talking to you about new gestures, very often these new gestures, they start in selective, not always, but they start in selective divisions. So understanding them early enough to be able, as a division, to democratize them, it's very powerful. And then the other way around, I talked to you about emerging markets. The role of the Consumer Products Division within L'Oréal is to open these new markets. You know, normally, when you set up L'Oréal in a country, you start with CPD, and then you... And this is what happened in China. I was in China. You learn a lot through CPD, you establish yourself, and then the other divisions come. So it works both ways, and we're really leveraging the power of one L'Oréal.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Great. We're going back to e-commerce in emerging markets for a minute. What's the minimum viable SKU price point for single-item e-commerce in emerging markets? A large competitor of yours previously said that single-item e-commerce doesn't work on SKUs below $10.

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

It's difficult to give a number because it depends on the countries, on the cost structure of the countries. You know, the cost of a delivery in India has nothing to do with the cost of a delivery in France, and even with the cost of delivery in Mexico. So giving a price is... But clearly, you've got a minimum price. In some countries, it can be $10 . I believe in some countries that have low, really low cost, it can be less, and in some it can be more than $10 . But the great thing is that we're really working around that because of our products. And the second thing is, you're talking about single product.

Clearly, what's interesting in what is happening is that people more and more have more sophisticated beauty routines. So, when you're an e-commerce retailer, you have an average transaction value, and then within this transaction, you can put multiple products.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

... Great. The question is, Alexis, can you help us understand if there are any big differences in the margin profile of the four large brands, and also how much the margin of these four compare to the CPD division overall? Is there a rule of thumb that helps us understand at what revenue level a margin dramatically improves, and are there any brands that are close to this threshold?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

You know, our four big brands are very big. You see the margin of the division. We cannot afford to have a brand that is not profitable and that is not at the right margin threshold, because these brands are all big. All our brands are profitable. We're managing, you know, in terms of profitability and in terms of mix between brands, et c., it's a blend of many things. It's about brands, but it's also about categories. Clearly, you know, the... It's also about regions. At the end of the day, we're very focused on improving gradually our gross margin. Because in our business, what really matters is the gross margin that you generate with your net sales.

Because then, the percentage has to be as high as possible, because then you can decide what you do with the money. If you want to invest on one brand, on A&P, on this brand, you put A&P. If, and same thing on a region or in a category, if you want to invest on people, on this capability, you invest on people, and if you want to put it in profit, you put it in profit. The most important is to have what we have, strategically available money, and this strategically available money comes from gross profit maximization.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Great. The next person has managed to squeeze two questions. The first one is, in the U.S., L'Oréal CPD's performance has been much stronger in recent years. Part of the edge has been your ability to capture signals early on social media, coordinate with R&D, and launch products quickly, which often become viral. How did you build this capacity, and how do you keep your edge versus competition and replicate this in other geographies?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Yeah. So thank you for the question, and thank you for your analysis, which is flattering. Yeah, it's a bit what happened everywhere in the world, because you're right, it's about social listening, it's about digital, and here we're, you know, I think we're really good. It's also because we're a beauty pure player, because then we know a lot about beauty itself. And clearly, the U.S. is interesting because not all beauty trends start in the U.S., but in categories like makeup, a lot of beauty trends start in the U.S.. So clearly, we have on the ground a lot of capabilities. We've got great American brands, you know, we've got Maybelline, we've got NYX, and that really has helped us win there.

In the U.S., where we've improved also, on top of everything, as you said, it's precisely on activation. We've really step changed our relationship with retailers, and we've got very big retail partners in the U.S., and they've... We've really focused with them on helping them grow, helping them grow their categories. They've understood what I call this plus one strategy, which is adding a product on the basket, and because of that, they're seeing us as a very strategic partner to help them grow their business. Of course, if we can grow share within this growing pie, it's good for everybody. It's really, in the U.S., it's really, it's a good example of the step change, both in terms of creation, what you were referring to, but also a step change in activation.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Second question was, in the U.S., you've launched L'Oréal Paris on a TikTok Shop. Which consumer will you be able to reach for that channel? Is there a risk of cannibalization in other e-commerce channels? And would you consider launching TikTok Shops in other countries and on other brands?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

I'm sure that it's very, very early days. We have a very significant business on TikTok, which is called Douyin in China. Clearly, it's already a scaled business there. By the way, we learned a lot of things, and we're leveraging this expertise in our U.S. experiment. You know, on these kind of things that are emerging, you don't—our philosophy is not to overthink in terms of, okay, is it gonna cannibalize that? There is a new channel starting. We want to be at the very start. We want to be pioneers, we want to experiment, we want to understand.

Then we see whether it scales, and everybody's happy, and if it does, it's gonna be, I think, a net additional, because clearly, if you ask me, it's very likely that TikTok in the U.S. will maybe allow us to recruit even more Gen Zers, and that maybe don't go to Walmart, and maybe don't shop on Amazon. So if you ask me, I think it can really be additional, and we'll see. But what is important for us, it's a bit like what we did in China, you know. When we were in China, we were the first beauty brand, the first international beauty brand to launch on Tmall. We were the first. And because of that, it gave us an advantage, an edge. In that case, it really scaled, it really worked. And that's how we think at L'Oréal.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

The next question is about the balance of growth between your three universes, the developed world, China, and the emerging markets. What has this balance been up until now, and how do you think about this mix going forward?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

... If you look at this year, it's you know, it's pretty balanced. And it depends on the years. You know, some years we had China, which had more traction. This year, clearly, Europe, in spite of our market share, and the U.S., we talked about it, are really growing fast. And the emerging markets are very dynamic. I think one structural component is that we really believe in the potential of the emerging market, and they've got to be a very big engine of growth for us.

In China, we are very optimistic about the midterm prospects, because in the greater scheme of things, CPD in China reaches around 100 million consumers, where the upper half of the middle class in China is about 400 million consumers. We have big opportunities, especially in lower-tier cities, where we're a bit weaker. There is potential in China. In Europe, it's true that we have a very high market share. It will depend also on the market, it will depend on the overall market context, but we're proving this year that we can grow in Europe. We're preparing...w hat is for sure is that the emerging market will be a very big engine of growth, and that we still have potential in China.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Great. At a time when fragrances are the name of the game, do you see that category as part of your democratization strategy, or is fragrance going to stay within luxe?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

For the time being, we're super happy to see the success of our luxe cousins in this category. And I'm not an expert of fragrance, but the very bulk of the fragrance market is in premium, super premium, and premium axcess, so that's the priority of the group. Short term, I have no plans to enter fragrance. Now, midterm, long term, we'll see.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

China. The question is, what is the competitive landscape for your flagship L'Oréal Paris brand like? Could you give any color on recent market share trends, promotional intensity levels, and rivalry versus local and global competitors?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Yeah. China is, and has always been, a very competitive market. We have a tremendous asset on this market on many divisions, but one of the fantastic assets that we have actually is a brand called L'Oréal Paris, which was launched 20 years ago as the first luxury brand in China. You know, before, when there were no luxury brands in China, but they were starting to have department stores, the leaders back then decided to launch L'Oréal Paris as a luxury brand. And since then, Chinese see L'Oréal Paris as a luxury brand. If you look at the image studies, they put L'Oréal Paris with, you know, Chanel. They see it in this bucket.

That's a tremendous asset, because of that, we're not really, in a way, compared and comparable with the very mass Chinese or non-Chinese brands. We're above the, you know, we're above the scrum. It's the Rugby World Cup. We're above the scrum. Actually, the brand is performing very well. The dynamic, the market is not super dynamic right now, but L'Oréal Paris is gaining market share, gaining market share overall and gaining market share on skincare, on haircare, and on makeup in the first half of the year. We feel good about that. Now, where you're right is that there are always new competitors that are arising. I've seen that. You know, I've been following China very closely for the last 14 years.

I remember in 2012, 2013, everybody was talking to me about Chinese brands that now nobody talks to me about because they've been forgotten. And there's a huge churn within these brands. And what is sure is that L'Oréal Paris is there, still standing, still winning, and with a lot of potential in China. And we also have, I've talked about it, the success of 3CE, this Korean brand of makeup, which has really made a very strong entrance in China. Very relevant, and of course, very complementary, because beauty is all about archetypes. And L'Oréal Paris is a certain archetype of beauty, but some Chinese women don't want the L'Oréal Paris archetype of beauty and are more interested by a more North Asian archetype that 3CE embodies.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

There is a question on the of acquisitions for CPD. What type of brands, categories, and/or regions would you be interested in? How do you create value, and how do you measure success of an acquisition?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Yeah. The two main criteria for an acquisition is, one, does it, in my strategic brand equation and category, does it add something? Is it really complementary to what I can do with my other brands? This, the strategic fit is really about complementarity. Am I sure that what this brand or what this acquisition offers, I cannot do it with my global brand? That's criteria number one. Criteria number two is, can it accelerate my growth? If you think about 3CE by Stylenanda, it's exactly that. I talked to you about the fact that it was covering an archetype that we didn't cover with our brands, and two, it's growing very fast.

That's really our, how we look at, how we look at acquisitions. You know, we're the Consumer Products Division, so size matters. It's important to have acquisitions that can be regional, but still within the region, size matters. You've seen our strategic categories. You see we're playing mostly in skincare, in haircare, in hair color, and in makeup. You know, we're looking to grow our market share on these categories.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Looping back to one of the previous questions, are local brands in emerging markets a significant threat for CPD? And in hindsight, why do you think Garnier did not succeed in China?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

No, you know, it's local brands are always interesting to look at. And we, you know, at L'Oréal we love competition, because competition allows us to stay on our toes and to keep getting better. So, yeah, you know, local brands can be a threat. Clearly, in China, the local brand activity is very high. In some countries in Southeast Asia, there's a lot of very interesting local brands. As always, the game for us is to say, "Okay, what can we learn from what's happening, and how can we leverage our strength and what we're good at?" What are we good at? First thing that we're good at is science.

We're, we spend EUR 1 billion every year on R&D, and that's a major asset than that local brands clearly don't have. The second that we have, the second asset that we have, is that we have fantastic, aspirational, complementary global brands. That's it. Third thing that we have is precisely because we have this multi-channel and multi-region exposure, we know a lot about what's happening across the world, and we can take one big idea in one part of the world and roll it out internationally. And playing with these cards, which are our cards, we're competing against local brands everywhere in the world. In most cases, we're winning. In some cases, we don't. It was the case of Garnier in China.

In hindsight, you know, they had a lot of things that could have been done better. You know, the name of the brand, Garnier, translated in Chinese was not ideal. We attacked the skincare category, which was very competitive, and we decided that it was better to, to stop it, to concentrate on the building of a fantastic L'Oréal, and I think it's a, I think it's a great decision.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Thank you very much. And I think we have time for one last question, and that question is about the extent of the recent outperformance of CPD. Has it been a result of consumer downtrading from higher price tiers into mass, as opposed to a result of L'Oréal's outperformance following the innovation and investments highlighted in the presentation?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

The outperformance of?

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Is it due to consumers trading down to lower price points from luxe, for instance?

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

To what extent has the recent outperformance of the Consumer Products Division?

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Yeah, been a result—

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Sorry, sorry, the outperformance. Yeah. Listen, we don't... I don't see trading down phenomenon anywhere in the world. I don't see at all, I don't have any fact anywhere that proves to me that there is a significant trading down on any category in any country in the world. You always have consumers that juggle between channels, but there's not at all this kind of phenomenon. What we see is that, what I see is two things: is overall, and especially the upper half of the middle class, everybody's going up. And there is...t he people in selective, or traditional consumers of selective brands, are looking for more.

You've got some at the top of the mass that are entering to luxury, and then you've got some that come from, kind of, let's say, lower mass, that want more. The movement that I see, especially among the upper half of the middle class, is a movement up. There's another movement that you see, is that in some countries, there is a polarization of the consumption, and on the lower part of the middle class, you can have some trading down here and there, et cetera. That's where I see, you know, for consumers that are struggling in countries like, you know, we live in France, we see that in France, not in our categories, by the way, but overall, we hear that in the media.

I see that. I, I'm absolutely convinced that there's, that the dynamic of the market, on the one side, of the mass market, and on the other side, the dynamic of the division, has nothing to do with a significant trading down from, from more selective channels.

Eva Quiroga
Head of Investor Relations, L'Oréal

Great. I think that concludes our session for today. Thank you very much, Alexis, for your time. Thank you, everybody for joining us, and have a good rest of the day.

Alexis Perakis-Valat
Head of Consumer Products Division, L'Oréal

Thank you for your attention.

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