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Earnings Call: H2 2022

Feb 17, 2023

Operator

Welcome to the Safran Full Year 2022 Results. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to your hosts, Olivier Andriès, Safran CEO, and Pascal Bantegnie, Group CFO. Mr. Andriès, please go ahead.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to welcome you to Safran's 2022 Earnings Call. I'm here with Pascal Bantegnie, our CFO. Let's go straight to page four with a summary of our talking points today. Air traffic recovery is continuing. We expect narrow body air traffic to return to pre-crisis levels in the course of 2023, supported by the lift of travel restrictions in China. We recorded solid sales growth and profitability. Free cash flow generation in 2022 was strong, exceeding our expectations. This performance was achieved in a challenging macro environment with supply chain constraints and inflationary pressure. We have also discontinued our activities in Russia, further to the sanctions decided by the U.S., U.K., and European authorities. We are proposing to shareholders a EUR 1.35 dividend per share for 2022, reflecting our confidence in the future.

2023 is expected to be a strong year for customer demand. We expect more than 20% growth in revenue and profit, and a cash generation of EUR 2.5 billion. I will provide color on our guidance at the end of this presentation. I am now on slide five. Air traffic evolution remains one of the key drivers for all of our businesses. First, when we look at global narrow body capacity, Q4 2022, narrow body ASK were at 86%. The trend has been positive through the year, with an increase each quarter despite strong volatility in China. In the early weeks of 2023, the recovery continues, supported by China acceleration with the lift of travel restriction.

Second, when we look at CFM flight cycle on the right of the slide, they have almost recovered pre-crisis level at 97% of the same week of 2019 level as of beginning of February 2023. CFM flight cycles are above 2019 level in North America, in the Middle East, and in South America. Europe has recovered at 85% of 2019 level. China has strongly recovered since mid-December 2022, at 93% of 2019 level early February. Retirements remain low, with a mere 114 second-generation CFM56 powered aircraft retired in 2022. Fleet storage is at 11.6% at the end of the year, improving versus 16% at the end of 2021.

We expect narrow body air traffic recovery to continue and to return to 2019 level in the course of 2023. I'm now on slide six. Let me share with you some of the main business achievements during Q4 2022. CFM delivered 324 LEAP engines in Q4, and 1,136 in full year 2022, up 34% versus 2021. We enjoyed a strong win rate of more than 70% on the A320neo in 2022. The LEAP engine has been selected by key airlines around the world, like Air France- KLM, Qatar Airways, Delta Air Lines, easyJet, IAG, to name a few. LEAP backlog amounts to almost 10,000 engines at the end of 2022.

Civil aftermarket revenue growth has been positive in Q4, +4.3% sequentially after a strong CFM56 spare parts pre-buy in Q3. Full year growth stands at 29.3% at the top of the range of our guidance. In Q4 2022 and early 2023, we signed a few significant contracts. 2023 has started very well with the largest ever CFM LEAP engine order signed with Air India. CFM will exclusively power the airline's fleet of 210 Airbus A320neo, A321neo, and 190 Boeing 737 MAX family aircraft, representing 800 LEAP engines plus spares. Air India also signed a CFM service contract.

FCAS program, we have reached an important milestone with the award of the contract for the demonstrator phase I-B to our engine joint venture with MTU. On military, we signed a support contract for 10 engines equipping maritime patrol Atlantique 2 aircraft. On defense, Safran optronic observation system has been chosen for Eurodrone. In the helicopter business, the next generation single engine helicopter, AW09 from Leonardo, will be powered by the Arriel 2K engine, the latest version of the Arriel family. In wheels and brakes, Safran will upgrade more than 300 737NG from steel to carbon brakes for American Airlines. On slide seven, let me give you an overview of Safran's financial performance in 2022. Revenue was up 25% at EUR 19 billion, in line with our guidance.

Recurring operating margin was up 80 basis points at 12.6%, in line with our latest guidance, thanks to strong growth in services. Free cash flow was EUR 2.7 billion, a year-over-year increase of nearly EUR 1 billion, exceeding our expectations, supported by customer advance payments, notably for Rafale and LEAP. All in all, we were able to post very solid results with a strong execution from our teams. On slide eight, an update on asset portfolio management. In terms of divestment, we have sold non-core activities, notably, Pioneer Aerospace, Parachutes, closed in April, as well as Safran Arresting Systems, closed in June. We have signed an agreement to sell cargo and catering activities within our cabin business. The closing is expected in Q2 2023. In parallel, we have also made bolt-on acquisitions, notably, Orolia in our defense business, closed last July.

Orolia, for which the closing is expected in Q1 2023. As a reminder, this acquisition is made under a consortium with Airbus and Tikehau Ace Capital. I also mentioned during Q3 release that we have entered into exclusive negotiation with Thales to acquire their electrical system activity. The closing is expected in Q2 2023. Divestments represent approximately EUR 400 million of cash in, and acquisition approximately EUR 650 million of cash out for transactions closed in 2022 and those already committed for 2023. On slide nine, an update on our climate strategy. First, our CO2 emissions reduction targets have been validated by the Science Based Targets initiative in conformance with its criteria and recommendation. SBTi has also determined that our Scope 1 and Scope 2 target ambition is indeed in line with a 1.5 degree trajectory.

Safran is among the first aerospace companies in the world to have its decarbonization commitment approved by SBTi. This recognizes that our climate roadmap is in line with the goals of the Paris Agreement. Second, we have deployed what we call an energy sobriety plans in our European facilities to reduce total energy consumption by at least 10% in 2024 compared to 2019. It is consistent with our global target of reduction of Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions.

Finally, on Scope 3, to address CO2 emissions from our supply chain, we have mobilized over 400 main suppliers representing 80% of emissions from purchases. First step is to be able to have a clear view on their emissions. So far, we are able to assess accurately CO2 emissions and maturity of their decarbonization trajectory of more than 80% of these main suppliers. Let me now hand over to Pascal for more details on 2022 results.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Thank you, Olivier. Good morning, everyone. I will be commenting today the adjusted accounts for which a bridge from consolidated statements is presented on page 11. The adjustments remain unchanged, either relating to FX or PPA. The numbers circled in the table, EUR 4.5 billion, reflects the change in mark-to-market of instruments hedging future cash flows, which are recorded in financial income in 2022. As you know, it's a pure accounting entry, no cash impact, as our derivative instruments will hedge future USD cash inflows. On the same topic on slide 12, USD has been strong in 2022, ending the year at 1.0675 after a low point reached in September at 0.9550.

We took benefits of these attractive levels to further improve our hedging portfolio. This is why a hedge rate of $1.13 per EUR will apply in 2023, providing a EUR 0.02 improvement from 2022. This is one of the items that will help mitigating inflation in 2023. As per our policy to hedge on a three to four years horizon, we'll continue to hedge 2027 in the course of this year. On page 13, which provides a summary of the income statement. Olivier already highlighted the solid revenue growth and margin expansion, I will comment below the line items. First, we have a strong increase in share profits from joint ventures, which are mainly attributable to Shannon Engine Support, which is our engine leasing company with AerCap, and to CFM Materials, the joint Safran-GE joint company involved in selling CFM56 used parts.

One-off items amounted to EUR 450 million, which is a similar level compared to 2020 and 2021. Beyond the impairment of Russian programs, mostly booked in H1, an impairment loss has been recognized against Safran Cabin goodwill, reflecting a whack of 8.5%, which it was 7.5% last year. The one year delay in the recovery of aircraft interiors, and as Olivier mentioned, the upcoming divestment of the cargo and catering activities. This impact has been partially offset by a capital gain and disposals of EUR 63 million. Most of that was already booked in H1. In financial income, the cost of debt was EUR 56 million. In addition, the strong USD had a negative impact on revaluation of some USD positions into balance sheet and provisions, explaining most of the negative EUR 95 million.

Tax rate comes at 31.4%. When you restate EBIT from goodwill impairment, the effective tax rate comes closer to 26%. Net income to the parent is nearly EUR 1.2 billion, EUR 2.76 per share, which is up 55% from last year. Now moving to slide 14. As expected to 2022 was a year of recovery with solid organic growth each quarter. Q4 sales increased by nearly 12% at EUR 5.6 billion. On a full year basis, revenue is EUR 19 billion, 16% organic growth, which is more or less EUR 2.4 billion of additional revenues. We had a strong positive translation impact on sales due to the average euro-dollar spot rate, which is EUR 0.13 below the 2021 level.

The strong USD has a dilutive impact on EBIT margin for the same euro EBIT. Any single cent change on spot rate translate to more or less EUR 90 million of revenues on average with no margin. Same chart on recurring EBIT on page 15. A strong improvement of the recurring operating income at EUR 2.4 billion, up 28% organic. Margin improved from 11.8% to 12.6% of sales, 80 basis points, in line with our October outlook. This solid performance demonstrates our ability to offset the impact of inflation and the discontinued activities in Russia. The main driver is growth in services across the board and notably in civil aftermarket. I'll come back on that. Increase of profit sharing was a drag on margins compared to 2021.

As we already mentioned during the Q3 release, the excess operating performance that we achieved in 2022 has been given back to employees through the release of 100% of their optional profit-sharing scheme. We also in the late days of December, granted an exceptional bonus to French employees in the context of inflationary pressure. In 2023, as expected, we will be back to a normal employee profit-sharing scheme, same as 2019. R&D on slide 16. Self-funded R&D increased by 20%, reaching around EUR 470 million. 75% of our efforts are directed towards decarbonization, notably through the RISE technology program. The EBIT impact of R&D represents 4.3% of sales, a level which is consistent with the average midterm target that we disclosed at the capital market day in 2021.

Capitalized R&D is EUR 278 million, slightly down compared to 2021 in the absence of any new large development program. Moving now to performance by activities, starting with the propulsion on slide 17. Revenue was EUR 9.5 billion, up 18% organic, equally balanced between aftermarket and OE deliveries. OE is up 18%. Deliveries, we already mentioned that for LEAP engines are up, plus 291 engines year-over-year, yet behind airframers plan. Other deliveries, notably high source engines, Rafale engines, helicopter turbines were down. Services revenues were up 19% organically, essentially driven by the 29.3% growth in civil aftermarket. Let me provide some color on that.

I would say, as usual, growth is driven by spare parts sales, notably on the CFM56 second gen. We've seen volume of shop visits being up, but less inductions than initially expected, and we already discussed that at Q3. The good news came from the revenue per shop visit, which increased even more than we initially expected. Thanks to heavier work scope, we are back now to 2019 levels, and the net pricing effect coming from the end of 2021. In addition, we also benefited from inventory buildup at third-party shops during Q3, which was pre-LEAP. On the IFRS engine side, the spare parts performed very well as well, and service contracts had a slight positive contribution to growth. Recurring operating income of EUR 1.7 billion, up by 23% organic. Again, the main driver is civil aftermarket growth.

CFM56 and LEAP transition was a negative contribution with lower CFM56 deliveries and higher LEAP deliveries, which are coming at a negative margin. On slide 18, on Equipment and Defense. Sales of EUR 7.5 billion, up 11% organically, driven by a strong recovery in services which are up 25%, I would say, across the board. OE revenue was up only a small 3% organic, thanks to increased deliveries in Nacelles on the A320neo and A330neo. Aero systems, electronics and defense also performed well. We had low volumes on the 787, impacting notably landing gear, wiring and power distribution. There is a strong improvement of the recurring operating income at EUR 0.9 billion, up 25% organic, driven by the growth in services and growth in OE, notably in Nacelles and electrical and power.

Orolia, a company we acquired last year, is now fully consolidated in H2. It added a relative contribution to electronics and defense. All in all, the recurring operating margin is coming at 11.6%, up 1.3 points versus 2021. Aircraft Interiors on slide 19. We reached almost EUR 2.2 billion of revenues, up 25% organically from a low base. This is still 40% below 2019 revenue. OE was up 21% organic, with strong growth in cabin activities, galleys, lavatories, and custom cabins. In seats, OE contribution was negative due to less business class seats deliveries by about 20%. Services was up 37%, both in seats and cabin. As you can see, the division posted a loss of EUR 140 million , a - 7.1% recurring operating margin.

Cabin managed to reach operating break-even in Q4, thanks to growth in its activity and the positive impact from the ongoing industrial footprint optimization. To say the least, in Seats, the performance is disappointing. Services positively contributed, but lower OE volumes had a negative impact. We are still facing some supply chain issues as well as engineering and production cost overruns. We are deploying strong efforts to stem these losses going forward with a dedicated recovery action plan put in place. Free cash flow in that division, which is not shown on the chart, deteriorated by approximately EUR 300 million year-over-year, mainly due to unfavorable working cap variation, with a large increase in inventory and customer receivables and the cash out of the social plan we started in 2021.

Our objective for 2023 for the division is to reach breakeven, we acknowledge that this remains a challenging target in seats activity. On slide 20, free cash flow came at a record level of EUR 2.7 billion, up nearly EUR 1 billion from 2021, exceeding our expectation. This excellent performance is driven by a couple of reasons. EBITDA of EUR 3.5 billion, up nearly EUR 800 million, 28%. A good contribution of a working cap with different trends. First, inventories were strongly up. It was a negative increase of EUR 1.6 billion in order to ensure minimal disruption of deliveries to our customers. This effect was fully offset by the deferred income.

We saw an increase of EUR 550 million, notably thanks to the RPFH contracts in civil and helicopter engines. We also received significant customer advance payments from Rafale export contracts as well as for LEAP. Cash CapEx was up by nearly EUR 110 million to continue grow our production and MRO capacity. On slide 21, Safran ended the year with a net cash positive of +EUR 14 million, which is one year ahead of the capital market at 21 target. We had a free cash flow of EUR 2.7 billion, a dividend payment of EUR 0.50, which is EUR 225 million. The net cash out impact from acquisitions of nearly EUR 500 million.

We started our share repurchase program, and we already acquired 2.4 million shares at the end of 2022 for EUR 270 million. Safran is now fully deleveraged, and we enjoy a strong balance sheet with a gross cash position of EUR 6.7 billion. This is reflected by S&P. They upgraded Safran's credit rating to A-minus in December with a stable outlook. Regarding shareholder returns on slide 22, for fiscal year 2022, Safran is proposing to its shareholder a dividend of EUR 1.35 per share, which represents a 40% payout ratio on the restated net income. The net income was restated to exclude, as we did in 2020 and 2021, the contribution from the French government for short time working and the contribution of employees in 2022.

In fact, the French employees gave up their top-up contribution, which we call abonnement in French. We also restated net income from the goodwill impairment at Safran Cabin. We are returning nearly EUR 600 million to shareholders this year. A quick update on the ongoing liability management transaction. I remind you the objective is to hedge the potential dilution of our 2027 converts. At mid-Feb, we have purchased around 4 million shares on a cumulative basis. We expect full completion by next summer, market conditions permit. Olivier, back to you.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Thank you, Pascal. Let me now give you some insights on slide 24 about how we foresee the environment for 2023. Our main assumptions are we expect air traffic to continue to recover, with narrow body ASK reaching their 2019 level in the course of 2023. January showing encouraging trends. LEAP OE engine deliveries to increase by around 50%, which means around 1,700 LEAP engines to be delivered in 2023. Nearly 600 additional engines versus 2022. Civil aftermarket revenues in U.S. dollars up in the low 20s%, driven by positive trends in volume and price, while work scope is expected to be flattish. Key watch item remains supply chain production capabilities, an industry-wide challenge. Moving to slide 25.

With this set of assumptions, Safran expects to achieve for full year 2023 at the current perimeter with a euro dollar spot rate of 1.05 and a hedge rate of 1.13, an adjusted revenue of at least EUR 23 billion, an adjusted recurring operating income of around EUR 3 billion, a free cash flow of at least EUR 2.5 billion, with potential upside subject to payment schedule or some advanced payments. We are making good progress. I do confirm that we are on track to meet the capital market, the 2021 financial targets for 2025. In closing, on slide 26, I would like to focus on our key priorities. We are prepared to face changing business conditions. I guess we have demonstrated our ability to adapt swiftly when needed.

We are focused to meet customer demand by managing the ramp up in OE deliveries despite supply chain difficulties. Here, LEAP is our top priority. We anticipate inflation pressure to continue in 2023, with an expected impact about twice of what we had in 2022. We have a clear and ambitious research and technology roadmap leading to more investment to tackle the greatest challenge of our industry, that is decarbonization. Last but not least, as already mentioned, we are on track to deliver our capital market, the 2021 targets. if not already slightly ahead on some metrics. Pascal and I are committed to deliver on this expectation. Thank you for your attention. We are ready to answer any question you may have.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one and one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, you can press star one one again. Once again, that's star one one if you'd like to ask a question. We'll now take our first question. Please stand by. First question is from the line of Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director and Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good morning. Thank you so much for taking our questions. I have three questions if possible. Maybe I'll ask them one at a time, but the first one was regarding clarifying on your civil aftermarket commentary. I understand you mentioned work scope flat, prices and volume up. When we look at the number, sort of the low 20s versus where you are in 2022, it sounds like sequential is not much of an improvement, I guess, despite China reopening traffic, et cetera. Can you walk through those assumptions regarding sort of like, why not a bigger volume improvement given China, less green time, et cetera, if you can elaborate on that?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Hello, Daniela. Yes, on civil aftermarket, volume is up, has been up in full year 2022. Less than the narrow body ASK indeed. Remember, China has been extremely volatile and the pickup of the Chinese traffic has been at the very end of December 2022, at the very end of the year. We've lost also all shop visits related to the Russian traffic. On the narrow body, ASK takes into account the Russian traffic. Of course, because of the sanctions, we don't have initial visits related to Russian activity.

The scope has been up in 2022, as Pascal has mentioned, coming back to the two pre-crisis level, and we expect it to be flattish in 2023. Price has been up as a consequence of our catalog escalation decision. Just for 2023, we expect shop visit to reach the 2,000 level. That's up a big step for 2023.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director and Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you. The second question just relating to the strong free cash flow guidance and also the strong free cash flow delivery this year. Taking into account sort of your prior commentary regarding potentially going back to buybacks, I was wondering if like the free cash now sort of changes your timing. Could we sort of perhaps move to that maybe earlier than expected?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Good morning, Daniela. We are fully deleveraged today. We're raising the dividend coming back to the 40% payout, we will return, as I say, nearly EUR 600 million to shareholders. We have a share repurchase program being executed right now. As I say, we will, we expect, you know, to finalize that program by, let's say, this summer. We'll come back to you in the second half of this year to see what else we could do. In terms of capital allocation, our priority number one will always be, you know, organic investments.

There is a lot to do given, you know, the very strong customer demand that we see that was even amplified with the Air India deal we signed last week. M&A also is an option. We disclose, you know, divestment that we've made last year, but also on the acquisition front, some bolt-on acquisition.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director and Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you. Just finally, sort of what you've reiterated the 2025 guidance. Just based on the, your commentary for interiors, 2023 breakeven, I guess by 2025 that guidance still had over 10% margin. Has the mix between divisions for 2025 changed in any sense versus the CMD, or is the same mix but just a very back-end loaded interiors improvement?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Sure. There is a shift of one year in the recovery of the aircraft interiors, you know, division performance. We were expecting to reach operating breakeven in 2022. Now we are pushing this target for 2023. By 2025, you're right, we won't be at 10%. Hopefully, we will approach that 10% target, meaning that proportion and equipment should do slightly better if we want to be in the 16%-18% operating margin by then.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director and Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from the line of George Zhao from Bernstein. Please go ahead.

George Zhao
Director and Research Analyst, Bernstein

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everyone. I guess first question, could you just walk through the margin drivers to get to the implied 13% guide for, you know, this year? You mentioned twice the inflation impact in 2023. Is that by margin impact, or could you just clarify what that means? Second related question, you know, coming back to that 2025 guide. You know, back at the CMD when you framed the path towards that 16%-18% as back and loaded, you know, was 13% the margin you had envisioned for 2023, the midpoint year? You know, with only 120 basis points of cumulative improvement from 2021 to 2023, despite the strong aftermarket recovery and 400 basis points more to go, I guess what's the path to getting to that 16%-18%?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Good morning, George. On your first question on moving parts on the EBIT, going from 2022 to 2023. More or less, this is EUR 600 million improvement in EBIT that we are contemplating. On the tailwinds, I would name, you know, civil aftermarket will definitely provide a boost. The improvement of edge rate, EUR 0.02 compared to 2022. The recovery in aircraft interiors, increase in the services beyond, you know, the civil aftermarket and some productivity. On the headwind side, growing the LEAP volumes by 50%, as you know, has a negative impact on the margin. As expected, profit sharing for our employees is also a drag on margins for this year.

R&D is expected to increase by nearly EUR 150 million. You've mentioned inflation. I confirm that we expect 2x the impact we had in 2022 when we looked at 2023. All in all, this is an improvement of EUR 600 million. On our 2025 guide for EBIT margin. Are we on track with a 13% EBIT margin more or less in 2023? The answer is yes. Remember that the guide we provided at the capital market day was with a spot rate euro-dollar at 1.20. The guide we provide for 2023 is using a euro-dollar spot rate average of 1.05. You know, this has a dilutive impact. If I start back from 2020, we had... Sorry.

2020, we had an operating margin of 10.2%. 2021, 11.8%. 2022, 12.6%. It's already, what, 2.4% improvement in margin in two years. If we achieve 13% in 2023, it's 2.8% improvement in three years, nearly a point of margin improvement in three years, which is exactly what we've mentioned as a moderate increase in margin for the first part of our plan. In the second part of our plan, we've mentioned a strong increase in margin, which in our view is more in the range of, let's say 1.5 points of margin improvement in 2024, 2025, which should bring us to our target. Again, the dollar assumption is clearly different in 2023 compared to what we guided for at the CMD.

George Zhao
Director and Research Analyst, Bernstein

Thanks. On that 2x impact for inflation, is that by margin impact year-over-year? I think in 2022, you had sized that at about 120 basis points. Are you saying it's gonna be 240 this year, or what do you mean by the 2x impact?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Yeah, exactly what we mean. I confirm that excluding inflation and salaries, inflation was 120 basis points drag on margins. In 2023, we would expect that margin impact to double at, you know, 200-250 basis points. If you add the salary increase on top of that, it's 3 points of margin that we are losing in 2023 due to inflation. We need to offset that. How do we do that? As you know, we are passing, you know, some inflation to our customers. FX 1.13 hedge rate is definitely one of the mitigating factor. Cost control is another item to offset inflation. We have to face, you know, huge inflation coming from energy, raw materials, salaries, transportation costs, and so on.

George Zhao
Director and Research Analyst, Bernstein

All right. Thank you.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Welcome.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from the line of Olivier Brochet from Redburn. Please go ahead.

Olivier Brochet
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Redburn

Yes, good morning, Olivier. Good morning, Pascal. Two questions from me, please. The first one on LEAP. We should be going through a number of shop visits at the moment. Do you have any surprises, anything that you're on the contrary, very satisfied with in terms of content or time on wing? That's the first question. The second one on the free cash flow. Can you walk through the building blocks for 2023 in terms of what you expect for inventories, for the deferred income, down payments, CapEx, and so on to help us frame the number? Thank you.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Hello, Olivier. On LEAP, the behavior of LEAP in service is as expected in a normal environment. Is, I would say, slightly more difficult in harsh environment. You know, new engines are suffering a lot in a harsh environment. I mean, the Gulf especially or India. As a consequence of that, basically we have slightly more shop visits coming from those regions compared to our expectations with a higher wear scope. Morning, Olivier. On the free cash flow for 2023, we say that we were expecting at least EUR 2.5 billion. Talking about working cap expectations, I would say, neutral to positive. Inventory should be more or less stable in value compared to 2022.

I would expect lower down payments that we had in 2022. Also, there could be some an upside risk if we do receive some down payments that we are expecting in 2024. There is some uncertainty about Rafale down payments falling into the end of 2023 or early 2024. That's why we say at least EUR 2.5 billion . We'll continue to enjoy higher deferred income because of the RPFH service contracts that we have.

On the helicopter business, on the LEAP, as well as the contracts we have with Safran Landing Systems for wheels and brakes, where we are paid per landing. Should the traffic be, you know, higher than what we think, we will benefit from that. In terms of R&D and CapEx, you would expect, you know, the cash out to increase in 2023 compared to 2022.

Olivier Brochet
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Redburn

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from Robert Stallard from Vertical Research. Please go ahead.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Thanks so much. Good morning.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Good morning, Robert.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Couple of questions from me. First of all, we saw yesterday Airbus revising its ramp plan on the A320. I was wondering if you could give us any idea of what potential benefit this is to you with older aircraft, CFM56 powered aircraft, flying for longer, and then helping you with your 2025 target. Secondly, probably for Pascal, a technical one. On the acquisitions that close, are supposed to close in 2023, are they in the guidance or not in the guidance? If they're not in the guidance, how much could they add? Thank you.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Hello, Robert. On the ramp plan announced by Airbus yesterday, the demand is clearly very high, as confirmed by, you know, the recent announcement of the record order from Air India. When you look at the global air traffic, the demand is very high. As a consequence, that does justify, you know, a ramp up beyond the level that was contemplated before the crisis. But this ramp is going to be paced by supply chain, the supply chain capability to follow and to deliver. As the demand is high, you know, we think it's not going to be at the expense of, let's say, fewer cycles from CFM56, you know, powered aircraft.

The LEAP powered aircraft are going to get an increasing share of the global flight cycles, obviously in the narrow body. This is expected since even before the crisis. This is just a consequence of the induction of new aircraft in the fleet. As the demand is very strong, you know, we fully understand, let's say, the ramp aspiration from the FMIs.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Morning, Rob. On your questions around the acquisitions and divestment, our 2023 guidance is made as a current perimeter, meaning that we have not included any P&L or cash impact coming from the divestment of cargo catering, which is expected to close by Q2. Neither have we included the Thales electrical system or Aubert & Duval acquisitions that are expected to close either in Q1 or Q2 this year. It will come on top of our guidance.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

just a quick follow-up then. When they do close, do you expect us to give it, you go give us an update, say in the half year results, that's when we'll have some more information on them?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Well, we'll see what kind of details in terms of financials we can provide. Typically, what I discussed earlier about Orolia, that we are consolidating since July first last year, is that it has a relative impact on our electronics and defense activity. We didn't disclose details about revenues and EBIT margin, but I can confirm that it was a good acquisition from operation and financial performance.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Okay. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from Tristan Sanson from Exane BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Tristan Sanson
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Aerospace and Defence, Exane BNP Paribas

Yes, good morning, Olivier. Good morning, Pascal. Thanks for taking my question. I have a few technical questions to start with. Just I wanted to understand really in term of employee profit sharing catch up, was there any additional catch up in Q4 compared to the level that you commented on with Q3 numbers? I think you did it all in Q3, but I'm not sure. If you have an insight on this, that would be interesting.

The second element, I wanted to understand what has been in 2022, the full year contribution of Ariane and whether there was any headwind coming from a fairly complex year for this business and how you see it contributing to the bottom line in 2023. The third one is on your appreciation of LEAP aftermarket profitability going forward. If we combine your comments on the reliability of the engine, which is good in normal environments, but higher cost as of today in harsh environments, and the cost inflation pressure that you talked about. Does it mean that you're comfortable with the idea that you should book zero margin for some time, maybe for a longer period of time? How do you approach this equation? It would be interesting to us. Thank you.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Well, morning, Tristan. On the employee profit sharing, we had two steps, one in Q3 and another one in Q4. The one we had in Q3 is that we signed what we call an exit agreement with a French union more than a year ago now, which say that any excess operating performance above a given threshold of operating margin would be given back to employees. Given the performance we had at a constant euro dollar rate, we had to release 100% of the optional profit sharing in French intéressement, okay? This was in Q3.

Tristan Sanson
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Aerospace and Defence, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

In Q4, it's true that we had, which is beyond the profit sharing scheme, we decided, given the context of the inflation in France, to pay an exceptional bonus of EUR 750 per French employees. When you do the math, you will see that we paid more or less EUR 35 million to French employees in Q4. It came in two steps, okay? On your second question regarding ArianeGroup, I will maybe let Olivier elaborate on the situation. In terms of contribution, we had a positive contribution of ArianeGroup in 2022, even beyond what we had in our budget. We didn't add any drag coming from ArianeGroup in 2022.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Well, Tristan, on the overall situation of the launch, as you know, the situation is globally difficult, as we are coming to the end of the Ariane 5 launches. We have two launch planned in 2023, this is the end. Ariane 6 is delayed. As we speak, the maiden flight is planned at the very end of 2023. We basically we are not operating Soyuz launches anymore since the invasion of Ukraine. Soyuz was planned to basically to be to help us during the interim phase between Ariane 5 and Ariane 6, this we don't have today. There has been the failure of the Vega launch.

This is a combination of factors which basically the consequence will be that there's not going to be many launches in the course of 2023. This is going to be a drag, a pressure. On the other side, on the military side, basically the results are quite good and positive. This is why basically we don't expect in terms of results ArianeGroup to be a drag on us, a significant drag on us in 2023. Relating to your question on LEAP aftermarket profitability. As always, there are some headwinds and there are some tailwinds when you look at the profitability of contracts over a long time period, because we are talking about 10 years or 12 years contracts.

As you picked up, the situation in harsh environment is a pressure. On the other side, we have also some tailwinds. Overall, you know, we have decided to be cautious on the LEAP aftermarket up to 2025, precisely because we want to see exactly what the behavior will be in service. This takes time as it has happened in the very early days of CFM56. Also, we learn from the in-service behavior, and we take decision in terms of improving the reliability and the time on wing of the LEAP through design changes. This is what we do, and the maturity of the engine will improve over time. This is why it's too early to elaborate more on let's say the overall profitability of the LEAP aftermarket over a long duration.

Tristan Sanson
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Aerospace and Defence, Exane BNP Paribas

That's very helpful, especially the comments on Ariane. Thanks for this. Just to make sure I understand properly on LEAP aftermarket, you mean that we stay at 0% margin on the long-term maintenance agreements until 2025, and you will give a view on the future margin in 2025 for the years after, roughly?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

We expect, you know, to provide more details at the next Capital Market Day. I guess it should be in 2024. Within a year from now, or 18 months from now, we will explain into much more details how we expect to manage the transition between CFM56 and LEAP aftermarket, given that we are moving to some extent from time and material to RPFH model. We'll provide, you know, details at the next CMD. Yeah.

Tristan Sanson
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst of Aerospace and Defence, Exane BNP Paribas

That's great. Looking forward to it. Thank you.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Yeah. Same for us. Very excited about that.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. This is from David Perry from J.P Morgan. Please go ahead.

David Perry
Head of European Aerospace and Defense, JPMorgan

Yes, good morning, Pascal and Olivier. Three questions. I'm sorry, there's a bit of repetition, but maybe slightly different angles. I'll keep them short. The first one, just following and given your comment about slightly less reliability to the environment. I just wonder if you are still as committed to the flight per hour business model, or whether you think the mix of new business that you want to underwrite will change going forward. The second question is could you just tell us what type of price increases you are achieving on the current FPH contracts on LEAP, please? You've commented about the spares price increases, but not on the FPH. And the third one, if I can just come back to this question of the share buyback. I'm just trying...

Sorry, or potential capital return, I should say. I'm trying to square the circle. You talk about EUR 2.5 billion of free cash flow. It's free cash flow. It's post the organic investments at your priority. You talk about only EUR 600 million of dividend return. There is a huge amount of surplus sort of cash flow when you have no debt. I just can't understand what your messaging is and your willingness or commitment to return some of that excess cash flow to shareholders. Thank you.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Hello, David. I will take the first two and let Pascal deal with the third one. The services contract that we signed today on LEAP are predominantly fly by the hour contracts, as we have already communicated. We have some time and material contracts as well, especially with airlines where that do have their own, you know, in-house maintenance facilities and maintenance activities. We deal with them through a sort of time and material and license contracts. Our basically strategy going forward is to facilitate as time will come third parties involvement into the LEAP aftermarket services.

This will only occur when some knowledge, some well-shared knowledge in the marketplace will be there on the LEAP behavior. Third parties can only join in the party when, you know, the LEAP behavior is going to be well understood and well known, as it is the case for CFM56 today. And so we expect that going forward, there's going to be, let's say, an increased proportion of time and material from where we are today. Once again, we are going to facilitate that as much as we can. On the price increase for flight per the hour contract, we have escalation formulas.

This is part of the contract, you know, with, basically, as we have already mentioned, with a cap. In the earlier contracts, with a deadband, also, and what we call a LEAP out, meaning that beyond the second threshold, we share 50/50, the inflation. With that, the Rate Per Flight Hour, is increasing year on year following those escalation formulas.

David Perry
Head of European Aerospace and Defense, JPMorgan

Roughly what would the average increase be, say, in 2022 or 2023 on an LCSA?

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

I cannot elaborate on that today.

David Perry
Head of European Aerospace and Defense, JPMorgan

Okay.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

I can say this has been, in fact a tailwind as inflation has been higher than expected in 2022. We'll see an impact for the rates in 2023. This is why I said that there are headwinds, tailwinds, and on this one, the escalation is going to be a tailwind.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Morning, David. On your free cash flow and share buyback question. Let me walk you through the I would say, the bridge from 2022 to 2023 in terms of net cash position. We expect to have EUR 2.5 billion of free cash. We will return nearly EUR 600 million through the dividend payment. We have engaged into a share repurchase program of 9.4 million shares, which is, with the current share price, nearly EUR 1.2 billion of cash outflow. We already had, let's say EUR 0.3 billion cashed out in 2022, meaning that the remaining portion is EUR 0.9 billion.

On top of that, we have already signed agreements to acquire Aubert & Duval and Thales electrical system, let's say for EUR 0.2 billion to be cashed out this year. When you do the math, we should end up the year before any other M&A, you know, acquisitions around EUR 0.8 billion. Okay? The net cash position should increase across across the year. We'll discuss, you know, the potential of return to shareholders when we have ended the execution of the current share repurchase program, which is by this summer, more or less.

David Perry
Head of European Aerospace and Defense, JPMorgan

Very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from Yan Derocles, from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Yan Derocles
Senior Equity Analyst, ODDO BHF

Yes, good morning, Olivier and Pascal. Maybe two remaining question. The first one maybe on the seat activity. Can you give us concrete examples of the recovery action plan that you have put in place in over the recent months, to regain control of this business? Maybe what are the most critical points at present in this activity? Maybe if I may, on the LEAP OE, so you have announced roughly a 50% increase in deliveries in 2023. I was wondering what was your degree of confidence regarding those 1,700 LEAP engine. On top of that, as new engine deliveries has been disrupted in recent quarters, I wanted to know if we should build into your or models a bit more spare engines than the normative level.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Okay. Hello, Yan. On seats, in the course of 2020, 2021, we have had a lot of actions in terms of footprint optimization, you know, to reduce costs. This is behind us. In 2022, as I said, we've seen a significant pickup in new campaigns, new commitments, for new seats developments, et cetera, et cetera. What is key is really to enhance the engineering process and ensure that the engineering performance will be on time, on cost, on quality. This is the number one focus, engineering on time, on cost, on quality. The quality of development. The second point is supply chain.

We have suffered a lot from supply chain issues. We are going to strengthen overall the supply chain management. Having more people, more qualified people following the suppliers, anticipating, making sure, you know, we smoothen as much as we can, the overall difficult situation of the supply chain. It, it's all about processes, I would say now ahead of us, transforming the engineering and also strengthening the supply chain management. LEAP OE, yes, we are confident on 1,700. We've discussed that in depth with our partner GE, yes, we've communicated on that. We're confident that, you know, we should be able to be around there. This is meeting our two airframer clients' demand.

On spare engines, the spare engine ratio has been higher in 2022 and will be higher in 2023. Let's say compared to the usual numbers, because we, you know, we want to make sure that our customers are satisfied. A very key guidance we have given to the teams is we need to ensure that aircraft keep flying, always. Aircraft keep flying, no aircraft on ground. Anytime, you know, there's, you know, whatever issue planned, unplanned on an engine, we need to have spare engines available to keep our customers flying, always.

Yan Derocles
Senior Equity Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from Harry Breach from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Harry Breach
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Yes, good morning, Olivier. Good morning, Pascal.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Morning.

Harry Breach
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Morning, Harry. Hey. Guys, morning. Can I ask, I'm surprised no one else has asked generally about the supply chain. Can you comment particularly on the propulsion side? Whether supply chain performance, if compared with the last time we all spoke in October, is it more or less stable? Is it improving? today, what's your best idea of when it's gonna be more or less back to normal in terms of on time, on quality? maybe a slightly different one, just looking at LEAP OE.

I think back at the CMD, in late 2021, you were back then expecting the break even, at the gross margin level, gross profit level to be in 2025 at the latest. You know, a lot of things have moved around since December 2021 in terms of cost, in terms of delivery numbers. Is that still what you expect for the break even date at gross profit level for LEAP?

Pascal, you probably won't be able to help me, but maybe you can shed a little bit of light on the, you know, the CFM LEAP transition was something that you used to comment on or Bernard did. I understand that with the significant volume decreases with COVID in 2020, you decided it didn't really make sense to talk about that. Can you maybe, now things are a little more normal, can you give us some feeling about the year-on-year change, you know, that CFM to LEAP transition on the OE side, what the EBIT impact was maybe in 2022 and what you look for in 2023? Thank you.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Hello, Harry. I'll take the first one and we'll let Pascal elaborate on the other one. I mean, the supply chain issues are wide in the industry, as you know, overall, some propulsion, on equipment, on avionics, on components, on raw material, it's everywhere. Has it overall improved in the last month? I would say no, not totally. It has improved a bit on propulsion, but if I look at the wide industry, I would not say so. Slight improvement on the propulsion, where basically we are not pacing, as you know, we are not pacing anymore, our airframers clients.

We believe it's going to last at least up to the end of 2023. I mean, we should not be overoptimistic there. It's going to last. We still have issues on equipments everywhere, especially in the U.S. We have shortages of raw material. It's an everyday fight to get raw materials. Some suppliers are failing here and there, we need to have to increase our teams dealing with our suppliers. Supply chain management is by far our number one priority in 2023.

We are fighting every day to get components. It's tough. It's very tough. It's an everyday fight. As we speak, we don't see yet an overall significant improvement. It's also impacting some of our aftermarket activities. I can see that in, for example, in the landing gear, maintenance and repair. I can see that in the helicopters, you know. It's an overall impact which will last up, at least up to the end of 2023.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Good morning, Harry. At the capital market day 2021, we said that our intention was to reduce the cost of producing the LEAP by 15% by 2025, reaching at the latest in 2025, gross margin breakeven. Are we on track? The answer is yes. The teams together with GE are working well on this plan. We are executing, decreasing cost month after month of the LEAP engines. What is new is inflation. Are we going to meet that guidance? The answer is yes, before inflation. Now we have to work on new action plans in order to offset inflation, which was not in our books when we had this plan back in December 2021. Now in terms of cost reduction, we are on plan.

Now, answering your third question on the, let's say quantifying the impact of the CFM56 LEAP transition, as you know, I won't provide a quantum for that. What I will say is that the unit loss we have per LEAP engine is decreasing moving forward to 2023. As we deliver, you know, more or less 600 additional engines in 2023 compared to 2022, in value, there is a bigger drag in 2023 compared to 2022, driven by volume, more by the unit loss that we have per engine.

Harry Breach
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Okay. That's clear. Thank you both.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Thank you. We'll take maybe a last question.

Operator

Thank you. We'll take our last question now. Please stand by. This is from the line of Christophe Ménard from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Christophe Ménard
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yes. Good morning. Thank you very much for taking the question. I had three questions. First, coming back on the M&A. You mentioned Aubert & Duval, it's quite a complex transaction. It's a consortium. How will you actually integrate this? Are you fully consolidating it? Or, I mean, just that's for just the accounting approach. Second question is on the cash guidance you provided at the CMD. Again, you're providing a very strong free cash flow guidance for this year. The EUR 10 billion you mentioned over 2021-2025, are you in the position today to kind of give us a more a bit level? Because you will certainly be way above the EUR 10 billion.

The last question was more about where do you see the profitability in the defense and equipment division going? You mentioned in the call that you, you were seeing upside to what you said at the CMD. Are we talking 100 basis points additional, or could it be more by 2025?

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Okay. Good morning, Christophe Ménard. First question. We will own only one-third of Aubert & Duval together with, as you know, Airbus and Ace Capital. It will be accounted under the, you know, equity accounted in proportion for one-third. Okay? It would be only a small contribution, if I may say so, to the accounts. The cash guidance, when you sum up what we had in 2023, 2022 and the guide for 2023, you can already see that we are overshooting the EUR 10 billion cash guidance. At this point in time, I would say by at least EUR 2 billion, so EUR 12 billion on a cumulative basis, given what we have already done, including the guidance we have for 2023. The profitability targets for propulsion and equipment.

Propulsion, we say the 20% plus by 2025. This is still our target. Is there any upside on top of that? We will see in due time. Equipment, I guess we say 15%. Could it be better in defense? Clearly, we are supported by the spending we see in France, but not only in France, in Europe, in the U.S. as well. We'll see in due time. I would say we stick on this target. As I said before, part of that is offsetting, you know, the shift of one year in the recovery of aircrafts interiors. The capital market, the guidance is clearly on track to us.

Christophe Ménard
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you very much.

Pascal Bantegnie
Group CFO, Safran

Okay. Thank you, all, and, looking forward to see you, in the coming weeks and months.

Olivier Andriès
CEO, Safran

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude the conference for today. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect.

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