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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

May 17, 2024

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the SCOR Quarter One 2024 Result Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. There will be an opportunity to ask questions after the presentation. In order to give all participants a chance to ask questions, we kindly ask you to limit the number of your questions to two. At this time, I would like to hand over to Mr. Thomas Brossard. Please go ahead, sir.

Thomas Fossard
Head of Investor Relations, SCOR

Good morning, and welcome to the SCOR Q1 2024 results conference call. My name is Thomas Brossard, Head of Investor Relations, and I'm joined on the call today by François de Varenne, Deputy CEO and Group CFO, Jean-Paul Conoscente, P&C CEO, as well as other Comex member. Can I please ask you to consider the disclaimer on page two for the presentation? And now I would like to hand over to François de Varenne. François, over to you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you. Thank you very much, Thomas, and good morning, everyone. I'm very pleased to present this Q1 result today. As usual, I will focus on figures excluding the mark-to-market impact of the option on SCOR's own shares. I have four key messages for you today. First one, strong performance from two out of three engines. We continue to deliver strong earnings this quarter with an adjusted net income of EUR 707.76 million, translating into a return on equity of 15.5%. This performance is achieved thanks to our P&C and investment activities, while our life and health business faces adverse experience variance this quarter. Second key message, acceleration of the reserve build-up in P&C.

With this strong set of results, we have been able to accelerate the reserve buffer build-up in P&C, both on short and longer term- longer tail lines, in line with our commitment taken in Q2 last year. This is a choice of the management to accelerate the reserve build-up, in the combined ratio this quarter. Third message, strong net capital generation from our P&C business. We improve our capital position to a level of 215% at the end of Q1, up by six points compared to the end of, last year, while our economic value is up 4.1% at constant economics. The solvency ratio improvement reflects our strong level of capital generation after capital deployment and dividend accrual. This capital generation is mostly coming from our P&C activities.

On the economic value growth, we believe that we are on a right track to deliver our 9% full year target. Fourth message, key message this morning, very satisfactory April renewal, confirming the 1.5 point improvement in the underwriting ratio . We are very satisfied with the 17% growth in P&C premium during the April renewals, achieved with still attractive margin. Jean-Paul will provide more color on this later in the presentation. Let's focus first on P&C. P&C delivers very strong results over the quarter. The new business CSM stand at a high level of EUR 651 million, supporting by strong January renewals with attractive margin. Please note that last year, the new business CSM was negatively impacted by the cost of a multi-year contract, retrocession contract, which was front-loaded in Q1 2023.

Looking at the P&C insurance revenue, it is up 3.8% at constant FX. We continue to see here the effect of the portfolio right-sizing that we perform in 2023. However, its weight will gradually decrease quarter after quarter. Hence, the P&C insurance revenue growth rate is expected to normalize over time when the share of the 2024 premiums in the business mix will increase. Let's now look at the combined ratio. It stands at 87.1, in line with our expectation, and is supported by a low nat cat ratio of 7.2%, well below our 10% budget. This nat cat ratio includes the impact of an upward revision of the Italian hailstorm market loss.

I tell you, we are very satisfied with our attritional ratio of 78.8%, which incorporates a significant level of reserve buffer, in addition. Part of that buffer is included in a conservative loss estimate on the Baltimore bridge event. For this complex loss, we have taken a prudent view in our estimate, in line with the conservative approach adopted for the French riot and Hurricane Ian. Corrected for these management choices, so buffer on short tail line and on long tail line, we therefore confirm the positive trend in our attritional loss performance. Let's now comment on the discount impact. Over Q1, we observe a discount impact of 6.3%, which includes the one-off effect of a large commutation on a P&C contract for 3.3 points.

Without this large commutation, the discount impact would have been at minus 9.6 points. For 2024, we have revised our discount effect expectation between -7.5 and -8.5, following an update of the yield curve, while maintaining our combined ratio assumption of below 87. This will allow for more flexibility in our reserve business strategy in 2024. Let's now focus on Life & Health. The Life & Health business generate a satisfactory new business CSM of EUR 112 million in Q1 without any large transaction. This compared to a very strong Q1 new business CSM last year, which was supported by an exceptionally large deal.

You know that large deals can be lumpy by nature, and for the rest of 2024, we remain confident on the new business CSM, as we have a decent pipeline of large deals. Life and health generates an insurance service result of EUR 72 million in Q1, lower than we had expected. The CSM amortization reaches EUR 93 million, and the risk adjustment, EUR 27 million, broadly in line with our expectation. However, we record mortality claims in the U.S., which are visible in the experience variance this quarter. There can be volatility in experience across quarters and claim reporting effect. We are carefully monitoring our U.S. mortality portfolio and its underlying assumption constantly. We are working on improving the profitability of the in-force business. In respect of onerous contracts , we have this quarter the opposite effect, compared to Q4.

We have a positive impact of EUR 22 million. Similar to the last few quarters, it is driven by changes in risk adjustment rather than by movement in expected claims on the business, but with a positive outcome this quarter. After P&C and Life and Health, let's now move on to investment. We continue to benefit from an excellent performance on the investment side, with a regular income yield reaching 3.5% this quarter and a reinvestment rate at 4.7%, in line with our guidance communicated during the full year 2023 results. The relatively short duration of our book enable us to benefit faster from still elevated interest rate environment. Let's move to the economic value. Over Q1, the economic value is up 4.1% at constant economics, reaching EUR 9.6 billion.

We are on track to achieve an expected growth of 10% for the full year. There is a bit of seasonality in this economic value growth, as we historically generate a large part of the P&C new business in Q1. Our economic book value increases to 54 EUR per share at the end of Q1. Our economic financial leverage ratio has reduced this quarter compared to Q4, thanks to the economic value growth, and is now closer to 20%. With that, I'll hand over to Jean-Paul, who will provide more insight into our strong April renewals.

Jean-Paul Conoscente
CEO, SCOR

Thank you, François, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to briefly share with you the outcome of the SCOR April 1 renewals. As a reminder, these represent less than 15% of the reinsurance portfolio, but is a key renewal for Asia, with roughly 60% of the Asian premium renewing. Following the slowdown of hardening trend we observed in January 2024, reinsurance conditions have stabilized for the April 2024 renewals. Property cat space experienced a slight softening, especially in Japan. However, the price decrease was limited, in the meantime, the reinsurance terms and conditions remained attractive. In this positive environment at April 1 renewals, SCOR P&C Reinsurance improved the quality of the book and very significantly increased premium compared to last year, +17%, excluding agricultural lines, for which the renewals are very late.

We continue to deliver on the three building blocks of our Forward 2026 strategy, namely, first, leveraging our recognized in-house expertise. We have continued to grow our alternative solutions portfolio, almost doubling the premium renewed at April 1. As in January, the renewals have been driven by solvency transactions, focusing on capital relief quota shares with low economic capital consumption. They have been focused in Asian markets with motor and property as the main lines of business. Second, taking advantage of the current favorable market conditions, we have continued to further diversify our portfolio, growing in attractive segments. Our portfolio grew across all specialty lines of business, particularly in marine and energy, engineering, and IDI, with an overall 22.8% year-on-year growth as per our Forward 2026 strategic plan. The non-US casualty also grew by 19%, mainly from India and Japan.

Third, in line with our underwriting discipline, we have maintained a prudent approach to climate-exposed business and US casualty. Climate risk remains a major issue for our industry, and risk aversion is still high, leading to continued demand for catastrophe risk protection. This has been exacerbated by high inflation translating into higher insured values and continued above average insured losses. This additional demand for capacity, which is not currently being met by alternative capital, has kept catastrophe prices close to the peak of the cycle at the April renewals, and we expect it to sustain the hard market for the remaining renewals of 2024 and 2025. Japan remains an important contributor to these renewals and has seen modest rate decreases, but still at an adequate level overall.

The team achieved successful April renewals in the U.S., and we will continue to see growth if market conditions remain favorable, while keeping the exposures growth in cat underweight relative to other segments. For U.S. casualty, we continue to see improvements in the primary underwriting of many of our clients and some improvements in the reinsurance terms and conditions, with commissions coming down by a maximum of 2%, two points. However, we do not believe that these improvements are sufficient to offset loss cost inflation, which we expect to run way above 10% per year for most casualty segments.

As a result, we continue to keep a flat capital allocation to U.S. casualty, supporting selected key clients, but remaining cautious and overall underweight. While growing in a preferred line of business, you should expect a continued reduction of the relative weight of property cat and U.S. casualty in our overall portfolio. As shown in the graph on the right-hand side of page 19, the 17% growth was achieved from both renewed business and new contracts. We recorded price improvements during the April renewal, very similar to those in January, with a 3.2% price increase, among which 6.3% from non-proportional business.

In addition, a recognized expertise in the market on alternative solutions, credit and surety and cyber, and the adequacy of terms and conditions enabled us to continue to write new business while improving the year-to-date net technical profitability of our portfolio by an estimated 1.5 points, excluding alternative solutions. In conclusion, I'm very confident that as we enter the next renewal seasons, the underwriting discipline of the market will be maintained, and we'll continue to enhance the quality of our portfolio, leveraging our strong client relationships and successfully delivering on the ambitions of our Forward 2026 plan. With this, I'll pass it back to Thomas.

Thomas Fossard
Head of Investor Relations, SCOR

Thank you very much, Jean-Paul. On page 19, you will find the forthcoming schedule events. With that, we can now move to the Q&A session. Can I remind you to please limit yourself to two questions each? Operator, can we get the first question?

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, press star one to ask a question. We will pause for just a moment to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for question. We do have-

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Let's take a question.

Operator

from Freya. Freya Kong from Bank of America.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Hi.

Operator

Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. On the CSM and risk adjustment releases in life and health, I think the run rate was a little lower than expected or lower than last year. Can we get some color on what's driving this? And secondly, on US mortality, your comments seem to suggest ongoing negative variances are possible. What are the trends, that you're seeing on this book, and can you take action, like, on the CSM instead? Thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you. Thank you, Freya, for your two questions. So the first one on the amortization rate. So the annualized amortization rate for Q1 is 6.8. Are we comfortable with the 8% guidance? I would say yes. If you look at the release of CSM and the risk adjustment release, it's in line with our expectation. We see it at EUR 120 million in Q1, so implying EUR 480 million if annualized and with no addition of financial contracts, and as mentioned, we have a few of them in the pipeline. So this compared to a CSM release of 7.6% in 2023.

So for 2024, I would say it's still early days, and we will monitor closely over the coming quarter. But I would say at this stage, we are confident on the fact that we should be close to our guidance. The second question was on the experience variance on life. So let's be clear, maybe I explain a little bit what is happening this quarter. Again, we are under IFRS 17. So under IFRS 17, due to the way we report, it is natural that we observe some volatility quarter after quarter. So we had positive experience variance in 2023 for a total amount over the year of EUR 140 million.

It could be also negative some quarters. So there is nothing surprising by the fact sometimes it's positive, sometimes it's negative. It can happen, I would say, both ways. The experience variance is coming mostly from two elements. The first one is we have a negative claim experience in the U.S. mortality, and that's what we observe this quarter. On top of it, on top of this negative claim experience, we detect an element of conservatism in the claims development pattern. Indeed, we have taken a cautious approach in the way we recognize claims, and during the COVID period, there was material distortions between claims reporting.

As we have emerged from the Covid period and claims pattern again evolved, we have consciously taken a conservative approach on how we project this claim in the future. So this element of conservatism will be reviewed by Frieder Knüpling. Maybe Frieder Knüpling, you can maybe explain a little bit more what we observe on the claims reporting effect.

Frieder Knüpling
Group Chief Risk Officer, SCOR

Yeah. Thank you, François. So what happened was that during COVID, both claims reporting from clients and our own claims reprocessing periods have lengthened. And we have then, at the time, reflected this in the way we extrapolate from reported claims for past quarters to the expected ultimate claims load, by assuming that there will be more claims reported in later periods for those previous quarters of death. As François said, we have maintained this extrapolation method in our claims factors for the time being, even though clients have recently reaccelerated the way they report claims, and our own processing has become faster again.

As François said, that is something which we will review later this year and see whether there's a readjustment needed to something which is closer to how we estimated ultimate claims load before global COVID. And maybe also just to touch on your other question, what type of trends we are seeing. First of all, this is experience in one quarter. We wouldn't look at this as indicating a trend, that it is something which would have to emerge over a longer period. We're very carefully monitoring claims experience at a granular level by client, by treaty, and we have options to remediate underperformance where that is sustained and action is necessary.

We have taken those actions quite decisively over the past years, and we continue to manage our in-force business very actively. We have options to increase premium rates. We can work with clients to adjust premium structures. We can agree on termination of treaties for in-force of a new business. So there's a variety of actions which we can take, and we have a significant team which is very focused on managing our in-force business very actively and making the adjustments which are necessary.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Wait, so can I just clarify, are you seeing, I guess, an acceleration of reporting which has driven this negative variance and no real underlying trends to be aware of?

Frieder Knüpling
Group Chief Risk Officer, SCOR

So as I said, we wouldn't look at this as a trend. This is one quarter's experience. There is an element of adverse claims experience for one particular quarter of dates of death, namely Q3 2023, which has come through in Q1 this year. But we believe that there is also an influence of the changes in claims reporting, as we just described, which is probably amplifying this effect somewhat. And that is something we'll look at later this year to see whether there's an adjustment needed.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Okay. Thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from Will Hardcastle from UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Will Hardcastle
Head of European Insurance, UBS

Oh, thanks, everyone. First of all, on the P&C reserve buffer build in the quarter, you mentioned some is perhaps in there for the Baltimore loss, but is there any chance you can give us any sort of guide or range of what that's been outside of that as well? Just so it can help us to back out our attritionals for the quarter. And then just coming back to that life experience variance, I guess on the second part of claim settlement timing, you're expecting... It sounds like you're expecting a reversal of this come year-end. Is that right? And then on that U.S. mortality, is it just one quarter's data that's come in, and therefore that's made you make an adjustment, or, or is this, you know...

I guess what I'm trying to get to is, what can make us feel that this is a one times event and done, or what is it that could make us be more concerned that this could extrapolate? Thanks.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you, Will, for your two questions. So the first one on the P&C buffer, I remind you on the strategy we put in place with Thierry since with determination, and we communicate each quarter on the strategy, we add buffer. So the way we add buffer, on short tail line, we open a large event quite high in our book, so which mean with the prudence in the estimate. And on longer tail line, we add the buffer, so we allocate more reserve and the famous buffer. It's a choice of the management this quarter, given the strong performance of the P&C activities, to do both. We did both.

So on Baltimore, we opened Baltimore at EUR 62 million net, which include almost 35% on this amount of buffer. So it's 4.4 points of a combined ratio. So you could say that the amount of prudence on Baltimore at this stage, it's almost 1.5 points of the combined ratio. On top of this, we added buffer on longer tail line as planned, and it's above the number of the short tail line. So which mean we accelerate this quarter, the buffer strategy. I don't say we are doing this every quarter, but given the excellent performance of P&C this quarter, especially coming from the strong discount impact and from the low CAT ratio, we accelerated, and again, here, this is a choice of the management.

So if you normalize the combined ratio, the published one is at 87.1%. If you normalize for the CAT ratio, we have a strong discount impact, and that is mostly explained by a large commutation. And if you also normalize the discount impact to the new level, we expect for 2024, which is -8%, you are at a combined ratio of normalized of 88.1%. You could see we have some seasonality in the expense ratio. We do believe that almost 50% of the impact of Q1 should disappear, and we expect an expense ratio for the full year around 7%.

So if you normalize for this effect, then you take the short-term buffer I mentioned on Baltimore, we are well, well below 87, excluding any buffer. So we are fully in line with the expected attritional loss ratio on P&C. Your second question, on life and health, is it binary? I mean, the end of the question is binary. Is it a one-time event or not? I would say that it is still early in the year, so there can be volatility, as we discussed, coming from the reporting effect or the pure claims in the mortality portfolio. So let's not read too much in June, in just one quarter for such a long-term business.

We have, as explained, some element of conservatism in the claims development pattern that will be reviewed later, this year. But it is true that, with a miss in Q1, we are becoming more dependent on the fact that we need a positive, business development, in the next three quarters to reach the EUR 500 million target, of ISR for life and health. But let's be clear, we are not happy with this performance this quarter, and we carefully monitor our U.S. mortality portfolio and its underlying assumption. Frieder mentioned it, we will undertake, if necessary, action to improve the underlying profitability.

It can be done through management action, and management action are really part of the business model of especially in the U.S., and through management action, we can increase our rates with our ceding companies, and that's part really of the business model to improve the underlying profitability. We are also actively assessing the portfolio and its underlying drivers of performance. We regularly review experience and assumption, and we take action when necessary. You will remember a call, I think it was in July last year, and we were speaking, Thierry and I, about P&C. We mentioned that we were not satisfied with the attritional loss ratio a couple of quarters ago, and we took the corrective action. Today, I mean, we tell you, we are happy with the P&C attritional ratio.

We will apply the same determination to life and health or to any other matter arising. As soon as we detect something, with determination, we will act to improve the profitability.

Will Hardcastle
Head of European Insurance, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

Our next questions come from James Shuck from Citi. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

James Shuck
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, Citi

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask about the multi-year retrocession contract that impacted last year on the P&C economic value, please. That's the first I've heard of it. I'm just keen to understand what kind of risk transfer is happening, 'cause like, kind of connected with that is also the commutation that you did in the period. So, you know, what kind of risk transfer actions are you undertaking here? What more might we expect either this year or in future years, please? That's my first question. I'm reluctant to use up my other question on this, but I think I'm gonna have to.

The mortality charge on US Life again, I'm sorry to go over it again, but I'm just getting a bit mixed messages what you're saying, when it comes to the year-end review, please. Because on the one hand, what you're saying now is that you're being conservative in terms of recognizing the claims patterns and the payment patterns. On the other hand, you're saying, "Well, we're gonna have another look at this at year-end." Does that sort of suggest that you're being conservative at this point, and therefore, on balance, it's more likely that you reverse out some of that conservatism at year-end? Or does this suggest that when it comes to year-end, that you might extrapolate off that, and therefore we might expect further charges? Thank you very much.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you. Thank you, James. I will start by the finance view, and then Jean-Paul will comment on the description of what we did, both on the multi-year retrocession contract and the commutation. So on the multi-year contract, it was booked in Q1 2023, with most of the cost booked in Q1, and you saw it, and that was significant impact, and that's a four-year contract. On the commutation, so that's a commutation with a large client, so again, Jean-Paul will describe it. The financial impact that you see, the amount is the final one. So just explain the mechanism, when you have a large commutation, so the reserves that are on balance sheet are transferred again to the client.

So you have the then an automatic impact on the discount impact, and you see it this quarter; it's quite high. But this impact is compensated in fee, almost one for one. So you see on the Combined Ratio, just one leg and not the other leg, which has the opposite sign in in IFRS. So that's why if you normalize the Combined Ratio this quarter, please normalize excluding this large Commutation. Maybe Jean-Paul, more flavor on the two contracts?

Jean-Paul Conoscente
CEO, SCOR

Yeah, on the retrocession contract, it's a structured retrocession program that we entered into last year. So as François explained, a lot of the cost was accounted for last year in Q1. But that's why you see the ceded premium between 2023 and 2024 being stable, because from an accounting point of view, it's just performing as normal. So the impact is really on the new business CSM in Q1 last year. In terms of the program that was commuted at year-end this year, and that, you know, accounted for in Q1 2024, it was an alternative solution transaction that we underwrote a number of years ago, which the client viewed as being too favorable to the reinsurer, and had the option to commute and took that option.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you. Thank you, Jean-Paul. On your second question on the U.S. mortality, let's be clear. I mean, the point that we mentioned on the reporting effect or the level of conservatism we could have today, as mentioned, we see it. We need still a few quarter to confirm if this is a trend or not. And this will be confirmed by the end of the year with the annual review. So please wait, the annual review, before we can confirm if this is a trend or just a lag for a given quarter. But again, we start to see it for two quarters in a row, so we are working on it.

On top of this, expect as for PNC, and we do it also on the life side. At the end of the year, we have the annual review of all the life and health reserve, and we will take action again, in both direction, if necessary, to maintain our reserve at the best estimate level, as each year.

James Shuck
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, Citi

Thank you for that. Can I just ask quickly about on the multi-year contract?

Jean-Paul Conoscente
CEO, SCOR

Yes, you can.

James Shuck
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, Citi

My question really was just about risk transfer in general. I didn't hear anything in what you said about what that multi-year contract actually entails, and whether you're looking at further risk transfer actions, please. Thank you.

Jean-Paul Conoscente
CEO, SCOR

So, you know, as you know, we buy our retrocession on January 1st. So this was, again, a multi-year contract entered into last year, that was across different lines of business. When we bought our retrocession at January 1st this year, we bought slightly more retrocession overall than last year, because of more favorable market conditions. And we're not expecting to buy any more retrocession during the year, except for our cat bond that renews in June this year.

James Shuck
Head of European Insurance Equity Research, Citi

Okay. Thank you so much.

Jean-Paul Conoscente
CEO, SCOR

Thank you, James.

Operator

Our next question comes from Tryfonas Spyrou, from Berenberg. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Tryfonas Spyrou
Equity Research Analyst, Berenberg

Oh, hi there. I have a question on the P&C combined ratio guidance, 87%. It looks like now you sort of assume an 8% discounting in that combined ratio guidance. However, the actual discounting was around 9.6. So I guess, maybe can you help us square the, you know, the 1.5, 1.6 point difference between the two? Is this really sort of the kind of amount of buffer you expect to have in the stability in that? Is that the right way to think about that? The second question is on Brazil. I know you made some large changes there in your exposure over the last couple years.

Maybe can you remind us your position here and maybe comment on whether you have any sort of exposure to the floods and agricultural side of things? Thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you, Tryfonas, for the two questions. I will take the first one. So on both the normalization or guidance on the combined ratio, and what is happening on the discount impact. So on the discount impact, you know that it's quite complex and every quarter we have question on this. It's a complex topic. The discount impact is depending on yield curve, currency mix in the portfolio, business mix on the cash flow pattern, and also movement on reserve. And we see this impact every quarter, and it could be more pronounced here and there. This -6 point, I would say between -6 and -7 guidance was computed on the yield curve at the end of 2022.

So when we prepared the plan in the first half of 2023. So here you have the latest update of what we think could be the discount impact in 2024. So that's updated with the most recent yield curve or most recent view on the cash flow pattern and the business mix. So it should be between -7, I would say on an average, it should be -8% in 2024. We decided not to change the guidance or the expectation on the combined ratio, so we maintain a combined ratio guidance at 87 or below, including buffers. Why?

Because you know that there will be a downward pressure on the discount impact with the decrease of interest rate we expect in 2024, in 2025 and 2026, the discount impact to be a little bit lower. So we prefer to say we maintain the guidance over the plan, and probably it will help us or it will accelerate or facilitate the buffer strategy in 2024. So we should put more buffer, let's say it more simply, we should put more buffer in 2024 than expected, due to discount, to the discount impact. Now, I mean, again, the way we see it, so here, I mean, the way we pilot the combined ratio and the buffer strategy, that's really linked to what I said.

So now we take as reference point, an average discount impact of minus 8 points. Again, normalized for CAT 10%, normalized for the discount impact, exclude the large commutation. Again, on the expense ratio, we think there is a little bit of seasonality. Don't take Q1 2023 as the reference point. That was the initialization of the first quarter on the IFRS 17, so take more the full year 2023 for the expense ratio, it's 6.6. Here, it's almost one point above in Q1. We see some seasonality with front loading of some expenses in Q1. My expectation is an expense ratio around 7 point.

So if you normalize for this, and you include the buffer, we will maintain the guidance of 87, and it works in Q1. On Brazil, I give the floor to Jean-Paul.

Jean-Paul Conoscente
CEO, SCOR

Thank you, François. So, as you know, the situation is still developing, and assessments on the ground are difficult, as those adjusters cannot really reach certain locations. When we look at the event, you know, there's potentially two areas that were exposed, our agro book, and our SBS book. On the agro, you know, we've taken significant remediation action, so, you know, our exposures have been much reduced. In addition, the floods happened in between harvesting seasons, so there should not be a major event for agros, you know, we don't expect that. On the SBS side, we're looking at large, you know, the Porto Alegre is a big industrial area of Brazil. And we're looking at, you know, what facilities have been affected and, you know, any BI losses.

It's a bit too soon for us to know. But overall, the expectation would be to, you know, for this event to be a small to medium-sized CAT event.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Any question, please?

Operator

Our next questions come from Vinit Malhotra from Mediobanca. Your line is open.

Vinit Malhotra
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Yes, good morning.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Vinit Malhotra
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Yes, good morning. Thank you. So, well, to be honest, my two queries have been addressed multiple times. I'll just try to ask one or two things just to clarify. And, you know, one is, if you look at the positive in the P&C, this new business CSM growth, I know, could you just help to adjust for that one Q multi-year effect, so multi-year effect, so Q1 2023. So in other words, what would you say is the underlying growth of new business CSM? And second thing, and again, apologies again, but just so I get the sense, the EUR 71 million, is, is it an L&H life experience variance than the faster recognition?

How is it a safe guesstimate that about half of each effect, so in other words, the actual experience from the Q3 as was mentioned, and then the faster settlement faster claims is about equal? And just on the same line, I'm just still curious, just because clients are reporting sooner, why should that mean the claim is worse? I'm just curious, sorry for that ignorance here. Thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you, Vinit, for the two questions. So the first one, I will be quick. So on the P&C, the growth of the new business on the P&C side, so you see, a quarter compared to last year, a 50% growth. Again, so the explanation is linked, of course, to the significant growth of the new business, and the renewal of 1/1. As we discussed, Q1 was negatively impacted by the initialization of this multi-year retrocession contract. If you adjust for this effect, the growth is 19%, Q1 2023 compared to Q1 2024, instead of 50%. And that, that's really realistic and in line with what we renewed in at 1/1.

On your second question, on Life and Health, again, we could have three... I mean, it's too early. That's the first quarter we see this. We had positive experience variance. So Thierry and I, as soon as we detect something, we look, we understand, and we take action, if and where necessary. There could be volatility, and we take it. There could be this reporting effect. We are checking if this is a trend, and if this is a trend, we will adjust, and it would be good news for SCOR, and for India account at the end of the year. And there could be also a review of, I would say, underlying assumption, and we review the experience this quarter, again, to detect if this is something that is just normal mortality or not.

So it's difficult to quantify, and I can't say 50%, 50%. Let's take a few quarters before we really understand what is in the account this quarter. We are investigating further the root causes of Q1.

Vinit Malhotra
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kamran Hossain from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Kamran Hossain
Executive Director of Insurance Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi, good morning. Sorry, definitely doing this topic to death on the life and health side, so apologies. The question I had is on, I mean, I guess, you know, given the kind of negative claims trends you've seen, and then, you know, obviously, what appear like conservative assumptions on kind of claims reporting, can I just ask: How often, for most of the clients, do you get updated on these trends? And have you seen anything in management data since quarter end that would make you come to a slightly different conclusion from what you've seen in the first quarter? And the second question is, it's on the same topic. I just want to confirm my understanding, but I think on the IFRS 17 transition, you changed some life and health assumptions.

Just looking back at 2022, you know, the first IFRS 17 result that you reported this time last year was pretty negative on the life side. So seeing some of that was transition and kind of assumption changes. So I just wanted to make sure that my understanding was right. Thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

So the first question, maybe, Frieder, on the reporting effect?

Frieder Knüpling
Group Chief Risk Officer, SCOR

So we get very frequent claims reporting from clients. These can be monthly or weekly claims reports. Sometimes large claims are reported individually. So this is not coming in bulks, but we have a steady flow of client reporting of claims reporting from clients, and we settle claims also on an ongoing basis. So there is not any type of cliff effect in the reporting. This is something which emerges over several quarters and is monitored very, very closely by us.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

On your command on your second question, so that's true. I mean, you saw it, when we prepare the transition to IFRS 17, so we took some action to change. Keep in mind, that transition of IFRS 17, there was almost continuity in the P&C reserves. Under IFRS 17, we have to rebuild everything. So it was not a transition, it was a recomputation with a different methodology of all the reserves. So that's why you had this effect in Q4 2022, just before the official transition to IFRS 17. Again, at the end of this year, we will do the annual review like we did in Q3 in Q4 2023.

So then that's the, like, in P&C, we have this annual review of the reserve on the life and health side. As discussed today, we will review if there is an element or not of conservatism in the claims development pattern that we see in Q1. And again, but we did this last year, and we will this again at the end of the year. We will review the experience and the assumption, and again, we will take action when and if necessary.

Kamran Hossain
Executive Director of Insurance Analyst, JPMorgan

Can I, can I just follow up? I think, the second part to my first question was just around any trends you've seen in the data since quarter end. I don't know if you've got that to hand, given that you kind of have weekly or monthly reporting.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Yeah. It's a bit early to say. We'll update you at the next quarterly call on this. Yeah.

Kamran Hossain
Executive Director of Insurance Analyst, JPMorgan

Got it. Thanks, thanks very much.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

I come back on this. To detect a trend after one or two quarters, we need a little bit more time.

Kamran Hossain
Executive Director of Insurance Analyst, JPMorgan

Perfect. No, got it. Thanks very much.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

We start to see something. What I say is that we start to see something, but before we could say it's a change of pattern, it's a trend, we need, we need additional quarters. And we think by the end of the year, we could, we could have have a conclusion on this.

Kamran Hossain
Executive Director of Insurance Analyst, JPMorgan

Perfect. Thanks very much.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Next question, please?

Operator

Our next questions come from Darragh Quinn from RBC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Darragh Quinn
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, everyone. I'm sorry, my two questions are still on the U.S. mortality stuff. But it's slight. I mean, hopefully asking you something that someone else hasn't asked yet. So can you talk about maybe the levers that you have to help reach your sort of EUR 500 million service result target for full year? I'm thinking about sort of the reserve buffers that you have in life and health free. Is that still available? How much is that? And can you remind us if you have any retro protections in place for the mortality book? Secondly, I'm assuming that the impact has not yet been reflected within the solvency, and if so, could you get a feel for, you know, what might the impact be?

Maybe a sense of, you know, what share of all reserves that is exposed here? Thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

On the first question, Darragh, on the EUR 5 million target for full year, we have a miss. As I mentioned it, we have a miss in Q1, so we need more positive experience variance in Q2, Q3, and/or Q4 to reach the target. As discussed, we have also the capacity to put in place management action with our client in the US, which mean to increase prices. That's a normal process, it's not new. We have been over the last few years doing this, and we will continue, and we will see also if we need to review again, based on the experience, the underlying assumption of the portfolio at year-end.

Then we could have good guy, bad guys, but good guy and bad guys, I know it for a given quarter and not in advance, because that would be in the account, if I knew it. On the second point, on solvency, Fabian, maybe?

Fabian Uffer
Head of ALM and Capital Management, SCOR

This has been fully reflected in our own funds, so it's in the Solvency Ratio that we publish, it's included.

Darragh Quinn
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Can you say-

Fabian Uffer
Head of ALM and Capital Management, SCOR

Maybe just on-

Darragh Quinn
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

How big was that?

Fabian Uffer
Head of ALM and Capital Management, SCOR

Hmm, I don't have this figure, and we wouldn't publish it, but since we kind of re-estimate and do. For Q1, we do a solvency ratio calculation as a bit of a roll forward from year-end, but taking into account all the claims movement that we observe, obviously, and that gives the, the solvency ratio that we publish.

To say differently, I mean, everything is taken into account on the solvency ratio. The 6-point that you see, most of the growth is explained by the integration of the VNB of the 1/1 renewal on the P&C side, so there is a strong capital generation of P&C. A positive one, net of the claims that we see in Q1, but still a positive one, from life. And we have a market variance that is limited to 1 or 2 points this quarter, in line with the sensitivity we published.

Darragh Quinn
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yep, and very quickly-

Fabian Uffer
Head of ALM and Capital Management, SCOR

Just quickly-

Darragh Quinn
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

To confirm, what is the size of the overall reserves for this U.S. mortality book that we're looking at here, please?

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

I don't think that's something we, we communicate on, but no, I will check with the team.

Fabian Uffer
Head of ALM and Capital Management, SCOR

Just on the question on retro, yes, we have a range of retro programs in place covering the U.S. book and other parts of our global life and health reinsurance book. This comprises per life retrocession to limit the per life retention we hold on individual lives, quota share retrocessions, and a cat program covering us against local events which could affect a larger number of lives.

Next question, please?

Operator

Our next question comes from Freya Kong, from Bank of America. Your line is open.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Oh!

Operator

Please go ahead.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Thanks for taking the follow-up. Can I just ask on the net margin guidance for P&C from your renewals? I think at 1/1, you said this was around one-point improvement after considering business mix changes. Given that you've shifted more into alternative solutions and specialty, is it still the same? And in terms of growth for later year renewals, should we expect around the same sort of levels? Secondly, on the tax rate outlook for the year, what drove the better tax rate in Q1, and is the outlook still 30%? Thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Thank you, thank you, Freya, for the two questions. So on the first one, given the price change that we see in the April renewal, keep in mind, April renewal, that's only 10% of the portfolio. We confirm what we said at the beginning of the year, after, I would say, the bulk of the renewal at 1/1. We expect, and pricing terms and conditions are there to maintain our expectation of an improvement of the underwriting ratio of 1.5 points, excluding the effect of alternative solution. If this is your question, that's excluding the alternative solution impact. On the tax rate, we have a good tax rate, 24%, this quarter.

We maintain at this stage the assumption of 30% for the full year and the rest of the plan. It's a little bit too early to see if all the measures that we take to protect and to utilize the French DTA that we've got will lead to a quicker revision of this guidance. So I prefer to maintain the 30% at this stage.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Okay.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

But I would say we are on good track on the tax side.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Uh, thanks.

Fabian Uffer
Head of ALM and Capital Management, SCOR

And in terms of the expectation for the upcoming renewals, we still see good opportunities in the marketplace. So it's a bit early, but, you know, we remain bullish on the renewals remaining for the rest of 2024.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Can, can I just ask on the underwriting ratio improvement, including alternative solutions, what's the margin outlook?

Fabian Uffer
Head of ALM and Capital Management, SCOR

We maintain the guidance of 87. So the 87 guidance includes the effect of alternative solutions, as well as the buffers, as François explained.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

We mentioned during the presentation of the strategic plan, the type of volume we would like to reach on alternative solution during the next three years.

Freya Kong
VP of Equity Research, Bank of America

Okay, thank you.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Next, please.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's Q&A. At this time, I would like to hand the call back to our speaker for any additional or closing remarks. Thank you.

Thomas Fossard
Head of Investor Relations, SCOR

Thank you very much. Thank you very much, everyone, for attending this conference call. The IR team remains available for any follow-up questions you may have, so please do not hesitate to give us a call. As a reminder, also, we hold its Q2 results call on the thirtieth of July with the call this time at 2:00 P.M. CET. I wish you a good and happy Friday, and this conclude our call. Thank you, everyone. Bye.

François de Varenne
Deputy CEO and Group CFO, SCOR

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you very much for your presence today.

Operator

This does conclude today's call. Thank you for your participation. Ladies and gentlemen, you may now disconnect.

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