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Earnings Call: H1 2022

Aug 4, 2022

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the SES Half Year Results 2022. Please note this conference is being recorded, and for the duration of the call, your lines will be on listen only. However, you will have the opportunity to ask questions at the end of the presentation. This can be done by pressing star one on your telephone keypad to register your question. I will now hand over to your host, Mr. Richard Whiting, Head of Investor Relations, to begin today's conference. Thank you.

Richard Whiting
Head of Investor Relations, SES

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining this analyst and investor call for our half year results. This morning's presentation was uploaded along with the press release to the investor section at ses.com if you don't already have it. As always, please note the disclaimer at the back of the document. In a moment, Steve Collar, CEO, will present the main business highlights, followed by Sandeep Jalan, CFO, to cover the financials in more detail. After some closing remarks from Steve, we will take your questions. With that, I hand over to Steve.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Thanks very much, Richard. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us this morning, and hope that you are all enjoying the summer. I'm gonna start on page three with the highlights, and look, I'm really pleased with the performance of the business in the first half. We've delivered a very solid set of results so the business in good shape, on track to deliver on our financial outlook and objectives for the year, and making really good progress on our strategic objectives as well in one of the busiest years on record for SES. Revenue of EUR 899 million was 3% up on a reported basis, while adjusted EBITDA of EUR 545 million was flat year-on-year, reflecting a solid EBITDA margin and excellent control over discretionary spend.

We have good visibility towards full year with over 90% of our revenue contracted, and we fully reaffirm our 2022 outlook. Our Networks business grew in the first half by 2%, and with growth accelerating in the second quarter. We've signed some nice deals in the first half that will contribute to ongoing growth through the year, while in video, similarly to our performance in 2021, we've got the majority of our business done early in the year, securing important renewals and executing well in core markets such as DACH. Meaning that we'll only have limited business left to secure and good visibility towards our full year outlook. The combined backlog for SES-17 and O3b mPOWER is continuing to grow with $130 million added since the start of 2022, taking our total backlog to $930 million.

It feels great to have SES-17 in operation above the Americas, delivering services for our customers and meaningfully ahead of other KA high-throughput satellites planned for the region, and at a time where both the aero market and cruise market are recovering rapidly post the COVID environment. Our O3b mPOWER satellites have entered final testing, and we'll launch all six of the initial constellation this year, with service introduction expected in Q2 2023. This is a game-changing investment for SES and will be a major component in driving our business for the next decade, particularly in the high value, high flexibility, and high-throughput segments. Our recent wins in cruise underscore the right to win that we have created with our differentiated infrastructure and capabilities.

This is perhaps even more true in government, in the government segment, and I'm delighted that this week we've closed the acquisition of DRS Global Enterprise Solutions. As I've said previously, I'm a huge fan of this business. It's one that we proactively selected as a key target and one that fits well with our value proposition on network capabilities. It actually expands significantly our value proposition towards government customers and end users, and you'll be hearing more about this combined business going forward, a business that will be 50% of our Networks business and 25% of our global revenue. Lastly, on this slide, our C-band execution continues to be strong with clearing proceeding ahead of schedule and the successful launch of SES-22 in the quarter, providing real momentum.

We've received our first significant reimbursement payment and we're well on track to capture the $170 million of additional growth gross cash proceeds from our agreement with Verizon, having already completed more than half of the clearing. With that summary, I'll move fairly rapidly through the remaining slides, starting on page four with video. The trajectory of our video business remains fully consistent with our expectations, with a decline of 5% year-on-year, including the termination payment from Nordic Entertainment or NENT, booked in Q1, which keeps us whole for, from a revenue perspective in the Nordic region for 2022. The end of our wholesale agreement with Dish in the U.S. in November last year is the other key driver in year-on-year comparisons and will wash through by the end of this year.

Pricing on renewal continues to be stable to increasing, reflecting the pricing power earned from having the largest video neighborhoods in the industry and leading penetration of high definition. More than 20% of our video contracts and revenues benefit from indexation clauses. As I said, we've got a lot of good work done early in the year with EUR 150 million of renewal revenue added to backlog in the first half. Most notably, the latest extension signed with Sky U.K. in a deal valued at EUR 85 million on the back of a EUR 90 million deal that we announced with Sky last year. In Germany, our HD+ consumer platform continued its good momentum from last year and is now truly a hybrid platform with the launch of our HD+ IP and HD+ ToGo products.

Our subscriber base remains stable to growing, and while we remain vigilant, we see no discernible impact from rising inflation in Europe. The early work done and ongoing delivery in our consumer business means that we have good visibility to our full year outlook in video, more than 90% of our outlook contracted. Given that our consumer business renews monthly or quarterly, this reflects a very high percentage of non-HD+ business secured for the year. On to networks on page six, where the sustained and positive deal flow is translating into revenue acceleration with Q2 growth of 4% on both a year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter basis.

Overall in H1, that means an uplift of 2% year-on-year driven by excellent performance in mobility and fixed data, while the new wins we've seen in government are not fully compensating for headwinds caused by the rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan in Q3 last year. Double-digit growth in the first half in mobility is on the back of the ongoing recovery in cruise, where we're adding new ships and new brands to the customer base, but also renewed demand for bandwidth in commercial aviation and growth in our commercial shipping business. In fixed data, we're growing thanks to the expansion of mobile backhaul solutions to support telcos and carriers in Asia and Latin America, as well as capturing new cloud revenues and opportunities.

We continue to stand out among our peers in delivering growth in fixed data, and I believe this reflects the differentiated solutions that we bring to the market. This will accelerate further with the implementation of ARSAT on SES-17, who have taken all of the capacity over Argentina, and later with the introduction of O3b mPOWER. SES-17 will be the main growth driver ahead of O3b mPOWER, and this is a good segue to page six and the key deals signed in the first half across our primary growth driving investments. Getting SES-17 on station and serving customers is significant for our business, particularly as we secured an important time to market advantage versus other high-throughput satellites to be launched into the Americas over the next few years.

We're transitioning the Thales InFlyt network across onto SES-17 as we speak, and performance of the satellite and network is awesome. On O3b mPOWER, the first two satellites are in the final stages of testing. As we can see in the picture here, this is a fully assembled O3b mPOWER satellite heading into the thermal vacuum chamber, and we've got three launches scheduled from the Cape, firm launches with SpaceX for the initial constellation this year. We've had to be patient for the arrival of O3b mPOWER, but we're building this capability for the next two decades of growth for SES, it being scalable, flexible, and the highest performing in the industry now or in the future, and expected to start delivering services in Q2 2023.

The flexibility and unique positioning of O3b mPOWER was highlighted with the recent NASA award, where we'll be using our constellation to relay high-performance data from Earth-sensing satellites, something that MEO and mPOWER are incredibly well suited for and opens a new market for us in other high-end data relay in space, leveraging our MEO platform. Combined backlog for SES-17 and O3b mPOWER is up 16% year to date at EUR 930 million, with our anchoring deals with GEO on mPOWER, ARSAT on SES-17, two new cruise customers, two new fixed data networks in the Americas, and a showcase deal to serve offshore oil and gas and mining in EMEA and Asia. Turning to page seven and the really good news earlier this week of the closing of our acquisition of DRS Global Enterprise Solutions, an acquisition that's been over 18 months in the making.

Over decades, the GES team has forged a reputation for delivering solutions to meet and exceed the needs of some of the most demanding of U.S. government customers and in some of the hardest places on Earth to deploy services. Together with our own government solutions team in the U.S., we represent, I believe, the two best service providers, integrated and trusted partners for the U.S. government. The two businesses, when combined, will create a scaled solutions provider and the number one trusted partner serving the multi-orbit satellite communications need of the U.S. government and supporting missions anywhere on land, at sea, or in the air. It's incredibly well timed with the launches of both SES-17, and in particular, O3b mPOWER, 40%-50% of whose revenue we expect to come from government solutions.

The combination of DRS GES with SES GS will unlock EUR 25 million of annualized run rate synergies, with networks increasing to around 50% of our overall business equal to video, and government will represent half of this as our largest business segment in terms of revenue on the network side. Given the closing only a couple of days ago, the financials from DRS Global Enterprise Solutions acquisition are not included in our reported numbers today, but will be as of Q3. Finally for me on page eight, I think I promised you that we'd show you this slide when we showed you this slide last quarter, that you can expect to see green ticks appearing as we execute on one of the busiest years in our history in terms of delivery on key strategic projects.

That's very much the case this quarter with SES-17 on station and serving customers, SES-22 launched, and we've confirmed today that it's in service, and we will begin transitioning customers as early as next week. The closing of the GES acquisition and more than 50% of the additional clearing for Verizon already completed. Next up, another C-band launch at the end of September, followed by three O3b mPOWER launches in Q4. Great progress and super pleased with the way that the business is executing and firing on all cylinders. With that, I'll hand over to Sandeep.

Sandeep Jalan
CFO, SES

Thanks, Steve. Good morning, everybody. Turning to the financial highlights on page ten, we are very pleased with an overall solid financial performance in first half of this year. Reported revenue was up 3%, net profit up 11%, and net debt 9% decrease year-over-year. First, speaking about the group revenue, which were close to EUR 900 million, they were up year-over-year by EUR 24 million or 3% on a reported basis. Besides the solid underlying revenue performance, this also reflects the positive effect of the stronger U.S. dollars, which benefited first half of the revenues by about EUR 43 million when compared to the first half of last year. Adjusted EBITDA of EUR 545 million is at the same level as in first half of last year, and it represented a robust margin of 60.6%.

EBITDA also benefited from positive effect of stronger USD by EUR 23 million. Adjusted net profit improved by 11% year-over-year to EUR 168 million for first half of this year. Thanks to improvements in items also below EBITDA, which I'll explain in the next slide. We continue to maintain a strong balance sheet with leverage at 3x at the end of first half of the year. Finally, we are fully on track to deliver our full-year outlook for 2022. Looking now at page 11, net profit bridge. I'll explain in more details. As you can see, the adjusted EBITDA performance was driven by three main components.

First, as I said earlier, the stronger USD versus euro, which contributed EUR 23 million in our EBITDA, and this comprised the net effect of revenue plus EUR 43 million and OpEx minus EUR 20 million year-over-year. Second impact was coming from EUR 10 million periodic revenues, as we explained during quarter one results. This was in video pertaining to Nordic services. Third component was the return to growth in networks, where we saw revenues up year-over-year by 2% for first half of the year. For quarter two, it was an increase of 4% year-over-year. These effects were offset by our video revenue decline in line with our guidance. Meanwhile, recurring OpEx was kept flat year-over-year when excluding impacts of stronger U.S. dollar, and this reflects a continued strong control on our discretionary costs.

Below adjusted EBITDA, we have further positive effects leading to an increase of EUR 16 million or about 11% year-over-year increase in adjusted net profit. Adjusted net profit rose to EUR 168 million in first half of the year, and this comprises of three main components. Depreciation was lower year-over-year by EUR 11 million due to lower depreciable base. We continue to reduce our interest costs by a further EUR 8 million for first half of the year. Forex gain in first half of the year were EUR 26 million, and this was higher when compared to last year by EUR 6 million. These positive effects were partly offset by a higher tax expense of EUR 10 million year-over-year, which is mostly non-cash and pertaining to certain Forex related adjustments in our tax expense bookings.

Reported net income for first half of the year was EUR 101 million, and this was explained by three major exceptional items. Next, C-band expenses for the period, we accounted for EUR 13 million during this period. Other significant special items were EUR 27 million and including EUR 24 million of impairment expenses that we have recorded for a few GEO assets, mainly related to increase in the discount rates, which went up when compared to end of last year. Tax on special items, including C-band, were EUR 27 million. Turning now to the balance sheet on page 12. Adjusted net debt was 9% lower compared with June last year, thanks to solid business cash generation and the nearly EUR 1 billion pre-tax proceeds that we got in our pocket from phase one C-band clearing.

During June, we proactively and successfully issued a new $750 million, 70-year bond with a coupon of 3.5%. With a strong liquidity, we can well address now the upcoming $750 million maturity, which is set for early next year. We have no other senior debt maturities now before 2024. On C-band, there is a timing difference because we must first expense the cost before submitting the invoices to the clearing house as part of the reimbursement process. To date, we have spent about $1.1 billion and over $520 million is already reimbursed, including $516 million that we received in first half of this year.

We had a cash balance of EUR 1.7 billion at the end of June, and this allows us to meet the investment needs during second half of this year. As you have seen, about the GES acquisition, we paid $450 million this week and CapEx outflows in second half related to mPOWER, for the first six satellites, which will get launched in quarter four. Those investment needs can be well met by these cash balances. On page 13 now, we remain on track to deliver our full year 2022 financial outlook. On top, we continue to benefit also from Forex effects, which are positive for us.

As Steve has mentioned, we have good visibility for our revenue outlook range of EUR 1.75 - 1.81 billion, with already more than 90% of the revenues contracted. Our adjusted EBITDA range of EUR 1.03 - 1.07 billion reflects a robust margin profile for the year. As some 50% of our revenue and EBITDA is in U.S. dollar, a stronger Forex rate, as we have said earlier, is positive to our reported financials. As we have guided, each basis point strength of dollar versus euro benefits SES revenue by about EUR 9 million positive effect and EBITDA by about half that amount. Roughly about EUR 4.5 million for each basis points movement.

Almost neutral effect on the free cash flows due to dollar CapEx. Euro dollar rates were 1.10 in first half of this year compared to 1.20 in first half of last year. This has benefited our financial results by about EUR 43 million year-over-year in revenue and EUR 23 million in EBITDA, which is net of EUR 20 million OpEx negative effects. U.S. has strengthened further during recent months, and hence positive effect therefore may be even stronger during second half of the year than what we have reported during the first half of this year. The year total effects could be in a range of about EUR 100 million revenue and EUR 50 million EBITDA uplift compared to the previous year in terms of Forex effects.

This is more than double the positive effect that we had in first half of this year so far. A continued stronger U.S. dollar will also benefit the upcoming significant USD proceeds related to C-band, most notably this $170 million of gross payments from Verizon for the additional C-band clearing and $3 billion from Phase-2 C-band clearing. Each cent movement impacts by about $20 million on the C-band related proceeds that I mentioned. At current rates, we could expect about EUR 200 million more of positive effect in our euro cash flows. Our CapEx outlook remains unchanged at the given exchange rate, and we will see some impacts from Forex, largely neutralizing the positive EBITDA effects that I mentioned earlier. We are happy to have successfully completed earlier this year the acquisition of DRS GES ahead of our announced schedule.

During coming weeks, we'll be focusing on integration and consolidation of this business and its financials, and we plan to give more financial details together with our next set of financial results. With that, I will hand back to Steve to conclude.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Great. Thanks, Sandeep. Lastly, on page 16, a solid H1 performance and execution in the core of the business, fully on track to deliver our outlook for the year. The closing of the acquisition of the best-in-class U.S. government solutions provider at a time that we're building game-changing space-based capabilities for governments around the world. Good progress, both technically and commercially, on SES-17 and O3b mPower, with growing backlog, strategic new customers, SES-17 in service ahead of the competition, and mPower making good progress through the factory. C-band continues to be the good news story as well, with all clearing fully on track, SES-22 launched, SES-20 and 21 approaching launch, and our Verizon clearing progressing really well.

Much to do between now and the end of the year, so no letting up in the pace as we put in place the key drivers of revenue growth, EBITDA growth, and expanding cash flows at SES for the years ahead. With that, back to Richard and questions.

Richard Whiting
Head of Investor Relations, SES

Thanks, Steve. Thanks, Sandy. Operator, we can go ahead and take the first question.

Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. The first question comes from the line of Nick Dempsey of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Nick Dempsey
Director, Media Equity Research, Barclays

Yeah, good morning, guys. Well, I've got two questions. First of all, I'm sure you can't comment specifically on any rumors in the press, but are you able to talk in general terms about the kind of practical CapEx synergies mainly that might be achievable from combining two GEO operators, predominantly GEO operators, just in broad terms. Second question. Does the delay in mPOWER impact the launching and coming into service impact your ability to show positive group organic revenue growth for 2023 versus previous?

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Great. Thanks, Nick. No, it won't surprise you to learn that we're not gonna comment any more than we ever do on market rumors and industry rumors. I think generally what I've said on this call and other calls is that industry consolidation is a good thing, and I think will result in sort of rationalization of the industry. Of course, from an SES standpoint, we will do things only in the best interest of our shareholders, and we just leave it there. Look, as far as mPOWER is concerned, I would say, you know, we've seen, you know, this is a strategic project that is gonna, as I say, drive growth for SES for the next decade. It is game-changing in its capability.

We're having, as I said, to be a little more patient than we would like. The good news is that we're fully locked on for three launches this year, and have a solid in-service date for Q2, and then no change in our trajectory. Growth's gonna be driven by SES-17, and in particular with the arrival of O3b mPOWER in 2023. Same expectations that we have for the business, and that we've talked about with sort of growing revenue, growing EBITDA, less CapEx and growing cash flow. All consistent with what we talked about previously.

Nick Dempsey
Director, Media Equity Research, Barclays

That's still relevant for 2023? I don't know if you 100%, addressed that.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah. I mean, as I said, no change in terms of the growth drivers. No change in the fact that the growth is gonna come from SES-17 and O3b mPOWER. We're not gonna talk about 2023 specifically in terms of outlook. We'll do that in December. In terms of the overall trajectory, fully consistent with everything we've said previously.

Nick Dempsey
Director, Media Equity Research, Barclays

Okay.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Sorry, February. I'm being corrected by Richard. We'll talk about that in February.

Nick Dempsey
Director, Media Equity Research, Barclays

Okay.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Sami Kassab of BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Sami Kassab
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Thank you and good morning, gentlemen. We've all been frustrated with the constant delay in the mPOWER launch date. Steve, can you discuss at what stage of the manufacturing process mPOWER satellites currently are? Have they moved to the thermal vacuum test phase yet? If so, what does it tell us about the progress that Boeing has made since our last earnings call a few months ago? Most importantly, what does it tell us about the likelihood of a Q4 launch deadline?

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah. Look, you can see the pictures, Sami. If you look on page six, that is O3b mPOWER in the thermal vacuum chamber. This was actually taken, I believe, a couple of weeks ago. This satellite is now nearing the end of its test, and there's not much left to do. As you know, by the time you get through thermal vacuum, you pretty much do some final checks and then ship the satellites to the launch base. That's what we're expecting for the first two. We're hitting our cadence in terms of the next two and then the next two, which is what we need for the initial constellation. I would say happy with the progress.

As you say, it's kinda, you know, we've had to be more patient than we would like. This is, you know, it's not unusual that you slip a month or two as you get towards the launch. As you know, we've mitigated. We've got fewer satellites per launch vehicle. We've added a new launch vehicle, so that will get us to orbit more quickly, which is a very good thing. Yeah, fully confident in the launches this year and in service in Q2.

Sami Kassab
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Thank you, Steve. The second question, could you comment on the government outlook for the rest of the year, with perhaps Afghanistan phasing out and any other driver, would you expect government to return to growth or stay negative in H2? Lastly-

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah, go ahead.

Sami Kassab
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Yeah, thanks. Lastly, if the OneWeb merger goes ahead, Eutelsat will be the only company with a LEO GEO offering. Why do you think clients would take the LEO GEO combo with SES if they can have the LEO GEO architecture? Can you elaborate on differentiation, please? Thank you.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah, sure. On the government side, you're right that Afghanistan was a drag on revenues and sort of continues to show up in the year-on-year comparisons. We are signing nice business in government. I would say, you know, that's sort of underscored by the renewal of the TROJAN contract, which is obviously a significant renewal for us, as well as some other business both in the U.S. and in Europe. We are supporting NATO and other customers here serving particularly around the defense of Ukraine and also kind of strengthening networks generally, I would say, across Europe. We've got a great asset there in GovSat, and we continue to see demand there.

I mean, look, Afghanistan was a, you know, whenever something like that happens in the short term, it creates a short term hole. But we're definitely seeing that hole being filled and expect to see that continue through the second half of the year. Look, as far as, you know, OneWeb and Eutelsat, I don't think an awful lot's changed. I think, you know, clearly, you know, the merger is an open question as to whether that happens and how that happens. I think in terms of, you know, our analysis, we've always assumed that Eutelsat would exist, and we've always assumed that OneWeb would exist in some way, shape, form, or fashion.

I think Gen 1, as we've talked about previously, is pretty limited in its capability, and so I think they're thinking about Gen 2, which is, you know, back end of the decade. Listen, we've analyzed an awful lot of our competitiveness from LEO and how we've differentiated ourselves. I think we remain incredibly optimistic and incredibly persuaded that the architecture that we're developing is the right one. Not only that, we've been doing it for a decade. We've been operating medium earth orbit for more than a decade with the original O3b constellation. Our multi-orbit isn't theoretical, it's real.

We're delivering that capability to customers today, and that will be even more reinforced when we bring O3b mPOWER to the market. I would say nothing's changed. If anything, we have more conviction around our architecture, our solutions, particularly in the high-throughput, high flexibility markets where we are incredibly strong and frankly LEO struggles to play. No change, more conviction, and leave it there.

Sami Kassab
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Ben Lyons of Jarden . Please go ahead.

Ben Lyons
Director, Equity Research, Jarden

Thank you for taking my questions. The first one actually was a follow-up on sort of consolidation. I mean, you've just done a GES deal, so a vertical deal. Maybe from a high level, I mean, could you speak about what you think the opportunities are in the market for perhaps vertical or horizontal consolidation? I mean, do you expect the market to go in any particular direction? The second one would just be on the backlog evolution. I mean, you had a big uptick in Q1, and it's been moving up slightly but at a slower pace. What's the kind of pipeline going forward on the backlog? Thank you.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah. Look, on consolidation, you know, I take the opportunity to reinforce how happy we are with our acquisition of DRS GES. I think, you know, you can talk generically about consolidation, but what really matters is, does it make strategic sense? Does it drive your business? Is it consistent with what you're trying to do and what you're trying to achieve? I think we've been on a path and clear about our direction of travel in the network side of the business, where we feel we have a very strong right to win in the higher value segments. That's very consistent with the architectures that we're building. We've seen that with our engagement with governments around the world.

You know, GES, as I would say, best-in-class service provider combined with our existing government services business, is an incredibly, you know, good fit. You know, entirely aligned with our strategy, with our approach, and with the way that we're building our networks business. I'd like to think, and you know, happy to say that we're being very thoughtful about, you know, what makes sense for our business, not just sort of generic consolidation. And look, I mean, I think, you know, I've said it, as far as horizontal is concerned, I think it makes sense. I think it, you know, it helps rationalize the industry. You know, I think that there are arguably sort of too many networks and too much CapEx incoherency in the market, and I think consolidation will help that.

You know, wouldn't go further than that other than to say, much like with the acquisition of DRS GES, we're gonna do things that create value for SES and create value for our shareholders. Look, as far as backlog, again, we've sort of spoken about this, but it is. It does tend to be a little bit, you know, sort of variable in any one quarter. I think the trajectory and the trend is very, very clear. We signed a great deal with Reliance Jio, and we're busy now implementing that, and that will start flowing, you know, into the revenues. That's really, really good.

You know, in this quarter, even if not significant in terms of backlog, because they're not necessarily super long-term contracts, some of the deals we've signed are really strategic and will start contributing revenue early in the life of O3b mPOWER when we talk about the deals on O3b mPOWER. On SES-17, the ARSAT deal's a really nice deal. It's basically for all of the capacity in Argentina. Again, while you know, while not a super long-term deal, I think we have the view that that deal will sort of continue beyond the original contract date. I would say backlog is a good guide. It doesn't tell the whole story. It is, you know, it's quarter on quarter, difficult to sort of predict, but I think the overall trajectory is really super positive.

EUR 930 million of backlog for these growth assets represents a really good base, and we continue to grow from there.

Ben Lyons
Director, Equity Research, Jarden

Great. It's really helpful. Thank you.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Thanks very much.

Operator

The next question comes in on Alexander Peterc of Societe Generale. Please go ahead.

Alexander Peterc
Director, Head of Technology Hardware Equity Research, Societe Generale

Yes, good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to ask a question. I'm sorry to come back to consolidation. I'd just like you to clearly state to us whether your preferred route to value creation for shareholders is vertical consolidation along the lines of what you're doing with DRS, or would you also contemplate a large size horizontal M&A deal? Is everything on the table, or do you have a preferred route to value creation? That's the first question. Second one is re: mobility, nice acceleration there. How should we think about this business developing in the second half? Do you see further scope for improvement in year-on-year growth trends there? Thanks a lot.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah, look, I mean, our path to value creation for shareholders is not premised on consolidation and certainly not exclusively, right? Our path to value creation is executing on in the core of the business exactly as we are doing. As I say, I couldn't be happier with the progress in the core of the business. We've made significant investments that we're executing well on. We've collected very significant C-band proceeds. This is value creation that we have, you know, we have executed on and continue to execute on, and continuing to then, you know, grow revenues, grow EBITDA, and as we emerge from this, you know, heavy growth investment phase, we'll be into growing and expanding cash flow.

You know, lots and lots of levers for us to continue to grow shareholder value, and I would say consolidation is part of it. As I've said before on the DRS GES acquisition, this isn't about consolidation really. This is about adding strategic capabilities in a part of the market where we have a very, very strong right to win. Look, on the acceleration of growth in networks, it's really positive from my standpoint. You know, the fact that we've gone to 4% growth, both quarter-over-quarter and year-on-year is positive. We're on track with our outlook.

I think, you know, if we continue to sign the business and implement the business that we signed, we should expect that trend to continue.

Alexander Peterc
Director, Head of Technology Hardware Equity Research, Societe Generale

Thanks.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Thanks, Aleksander.

Operator

The next question comes on the line of Carl Murdock-Smith of Berenberg. Please go ahead.

Carl Murdock-Smith
Co-Heads of Telecoms and Media Equity Research, Berenberg

Hi. Thank you very much. I just wanted to ask, first, how come CapEx guidance hasn't changed given the slippage of O3b mPower 7 and 8 in 2023? Secondly, kind of following up on the question just now, one of the main beats this quarter is obviously fixed data. Can you talk about your confidence going forwards in terms of the sustainability of that growth? Thank you.

Sandeep Jalan
CFO, SES

Yeah. I'll take the first question, Alexander. I mean, our CapEx guidance for the year remains unchanged. Of course, this guidance of EUR 950 million CapEx is at the exchange rate of 1.13. What you can expect is some movements from the Forex basically neutralizing the EBITDA effect, like we said earlier. That's number one. Number two, when we give that guidance, we have considered all the costs, and majority of the cost is basically the cost of the satellites and launches, and those costs do not change, right? Overall, those costs are remaining, like at that level, so we don't expect any meaningful change in that guidance.

Guidance for the rest of the period of the next four years after that, it is in the range of EUR 460 million on average, as we have said earlier. Of course, there you can expect some Forex effects.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah. Look, I'll take the question on fixed data. Really happy with the progress in fixed data. You know, as we talked about, we closed a number of networks in the quarter as well, and that will contribute going forward. We saw some good performance in cloud during the quarter. The good news there is a bunch of that is, you know, I've described before that we're co-locating our gateways and our access to the satellite with key cloud data centers and nodes, and we're starting to see, you know, that benefit come through.

I think it's not just the normal mobile backhaul business and the, you know, kind of the rural networks that we continue to deploy. It's also the growing influence of the cloud-first strategy that we have, the partnership that we have with Microsoft and the good work that we're doing to develop our cloud business. In terms of will it continue, we certainly have that expectation. I think as I've said, we've outperformed the market as far as fixed data is concerned consistently, quarter on quarter and year on year, and have expectation that we will continue to do so.

Carl Murdock-Smith
Co-Heads of Telecoms and Media Equity Research, Berenberg

That's great. Thank you.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Thanks, Carl.

Operator

The final question comes from the line of Roshan Ranjit of Deutsche Bank.

Roshan Ranjit
TMT Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Oh, great. Morning, everyone. Thanks for the questions. I've got two, and I'm guessing follow-ups mainly. Just on SES-17. That obviously became operational a couple of weeks ago. Can you tell us about any early kind of revenue, kind of upside maybe, or any discussions around incremental contracts? Because if I remember correctly, the thinking was in terms of government contracts that could typically only come on once the satellite is in service. Also, when we think about SES-17 being more the kind of mobility, maritime contracts aside from the ARSAT deal. And sticking with mobility, you've, you know, seemed to be on a weekly basis announcing kind of incremental capacity signed with a number of cruise companies.

We have seen Starlink talk about wanting to move into maritime, and I think they do have an offering. I understand, you know, your nice grid with the high flexibility, high throughput, but there seems to be a want from the shipping industry for much more capacity. Do you think that is a concern or is there a specific segment for Starlink to address? You know, is there, I guess, more opportunity for you on the maritime side? Thank you.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah, look, great question. On 17, I mean, it's great to have it in service. I think we've seen nothing but good performance. We're really happy with the performance that we see in orbit. It's above spec, and that will allow us to deliver, you know, at and above our SLA towards our customers and deliver, frankly, more throughput. That's very good news. I think, you know, at the moment, we're in the middle of transitioning our customers across onto SES-17, those that we were serving on other assets, and in particular, Thales InFlyt, with whom we built a network on third-party assets, and that's now moving across onto SES-17, and that will have the effect of dropping our some of our costs to third-party capacity going forward.

That's super positive. Again, the sort of feedback from Thales as we move aircraft across onto SES-17 is very positive in terms of the service that they're delivering. The SES-17 is not gonna be a huge contributor from a gov standpoint. We will have some gov on SES-17, but that won't be a significant driver. As you say, the real focus on SES-17 right now is around mobility and around fixed data. As you say, we sort of on a weekly basis, we're signing and announcing deals and that's what will fuel progress on SES-17. I think in the short term, you know, what we see most focus is cruise and so not just on our O3b constellation, but also leveraging SES-17 for cruise.

That's stuff that we're working on right now, and growing the aviation business. SES-17 is a great satellite for aviation. Aviation is sort of coming back strongly, I would say, post-COVID, particularly in the U.S. We're optimistic about our prospects for SES-17 in mobility and in fixed data where, you know, ARSAT is a great example of a deal, but we've also signed networks in Central America. There's a lot of activity in kind of the Andean region. I think good prospects for SES-17 as far as fixed data is concerned. In cruise, look, I mean, I think we will see and, you know, expect to see the sort of quote-unquote "hero projects" where, you know, individual cruise ships are connected and demonstrated and so on.

Cruise, you made the point about more capacity. More capacity in cruise is great news for us because we're the only ones that can deliver this sort of high throughput, high performance connectivity. Cruise ships are sort of floating villages or towns or however you wanna think about it with very high GDP. What you need to do is serve them with, you know, gigabits worth of capability. That's something that is very, very hard to do when those ships are moving and when multiple ships are all in the same region at the same time. We've got a network which is configured uniquely for cruise.

With the latest brands we've added, I think we now, you know, it might be one of the top six brands that we don't have pretty much all of the premium cruise ships from all of those brands on our network, which, you know, I think shows the, you know, the quality of the offering that we have and the competitiveness of the offering that we have, even though we're by far not the cheapest solution on the market. I think what we rely on is the kind of service quality that we can deliver and the sort of guest experience and guest satisfaction that we deliver on board cruise ships. All good as far as the cruise industry and the cruise market is concerned, and we expect, you know, further growth from that market.

I think to some degree on SES-17, and then obviously also with the arrival of O3b mPOWER.

Roshan Ranjit
TMT Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Great. I think we're done. Are we done, Richard?

Richard Whiting
Head of Investor Relations, SES

I'm very certain you said that was the last question, so maybe hand it to Steve to conclude.

Steve Collar
CEO, SES

Yeah, look, nothing much more to add other than, you know, a lot of work going on in the business. Happy with the first half. Very focused on delivering a similarly positive second half to the year, and obviously delivering on the significant amount of projects that we have in the business. More green ticks to come when we speak next, following Q3. With that, thank you very much for joining. Much appreciated, and talk to you next time.

Roshan Ranjit
TMT Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for joining today's call. You may now disconnect.

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