Welcome to Soitec first quarter sales presentation for FY 2027. Today's conference will be hosted by Laurent Rémont, Chief Executive Officer, and Albin Jacquemont, Chief Financial Officer. For the first part of the conference, the participants will be on listen-only mode. During the questions and answers session, participants will be able to ask questions by dialing five on their telephone keypad. Now I will hand the conference over to Laurent Rémont to begin today's conference. Please go ahead.
Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Soitec's first quarter 2027 sales conference call. I'm Laurent Rémont, Chief Executive Officer of Soitec. With me on the call today, Albin Jacquemont, our Chief Financial Officer, and Alex Petovari, Head of Investor Relations, Financing and Treasury. Before turning to the quarter, let me briefly explain why we decided to bring forward today's communication.
Since the start of the second quarter, customer demand for Photonic SOI has accelerated faster than expected. At the same time, the action plan I set out to increase our Photonic SOI production output has started to deliver positive results. These developments gave us materially greater visibility on the pace of our Photonic SOI ramp. Consistent with our commitment of transparency, rigor, and timely communication, we choose to update you ahead of schedule.
With that, let me turn to the three key takeaway from the first quarter. First, we delivered a stronger-than-expected start of the financial year. Revenue reached EUR 113 million, up 23% year-on-year at constant currency and scope, well above our guidance of around 15%. This performance was primarily driven by the continued acceleration of AI-related activities with Photonic SOI sales doubling year-on-year. Second, the momentum on Photonic SOI is accelerating.
Photonic SOI demand remains supported by growing need for high-speed, high-bandwidth, optical connectivity in data center infrastructure. Our medium-term visibility in Photonic SOI is also improving through multi-year commitment from a growing number of customers. These commitments extend beyond FY 2027. The group remain focused on scaling its Photonic SOI production capacity to support accelerating demand.
During the quarter, we achieved an important industrial milestone with the qualification of our Singapore 300-millimeter SOI fab for high-volume manufacturing of Photonic SOI with first customers. Finally, we continue to execute with discipline and remain committed to strategic direction we set out in May.
We are tracking to the plan we set out with the company position on a cash generation path. Revenue is now back to growth, paving the way for improved profitability. With that introduction, let me hand over to Albin, who will take you through the quarter in more details.
Thank you, Laurent. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on short notice. Laurent, I greatly appreciate your time and your participation today. Let me now walk you through our first quarter performance, starting out with Mobile Communications. Mobile Communications generated EUR 39 million in revenue during the quarter, down 10% year-over-year on a constant currency and scope basis.
Against the backdrop of a still challenging smartphone market, POI adoption continued to gain momentum, while RF-SOI customers made further progress in reducing inventory levels. RF-SOI revenues were broadly stable year-over-year as higher 300mm revenues offset lower 200mm revenues. POI revenues were also broadly flat as higher volumes from continued technology adoption were offset by lower pricing.
POI's position as a core substrate for next generation filter architectures was further reinforced by the long-term agreement recently entered into with Skyworks, which gives the group greater medium-term visibility. FD-SOI revenues were lower year-over-year, mainly reflecting volume effects in the subdued mobile markets.
Turning now to Edge & Cloud AI. Revenues reached EUR 65 million in the quarter, up 47% year-over-year on a constant currency and scope basis. This strong performance was primarily driven by Photonics-SOI, where revenues doubled year-over-year. Demand continues to be supported by the growing need for high speed, high bandwidth optical connectivity across AI data center infrastructure, including pluggable transceivers, near package optics, and co-package optics architectures.
In addition to another strong quarter, we continue to strengthen our medium-term visibility through multi-year customer commitments and associated cash deposits, with these commitments now extending beyond fiscal year 2027. This momentum continued into the second quarter, reinforcing our confidence in the pace of a ramp-up and our medium-term growth trajectory.
As Laurent noted previously, during the first quarter, we qualified our Singapore facility with the first customers for 300mm Photonics-SOI production. This is an important milestone that gives us confidence in the ramp-up trajectory as we continue to advance additional customer qualifications.
FD-SOI revenues in Edge & Cloud AI also grew year-over-year, benefiting from a modestly favorable price mix contribution. Let me now turn to Automotive & Industrial. Revenue reached EUR 10 million in the quarter, representing 108% year-over-year growth on a constant currency and constant scope basis, albeit off a low comparison base. Activity remains subdued as some customers continue to work through elevated inventory levels.
Nevertheless, we continue to benefit from strong visibility into 2028, underpinned by a long-term agreement with a key customer. Power-SOI revenue grew year-over-year, driven by higher 200mm volumes, complemented by the initial contribution from 300mm products. Automotive FD-SOI wafer revenues also increased year-on-year, supported by larger volumes. The technology continued to gain traction in applications such as automotive radar, microcontrollers, and other analog and mixed signal systems. With that, let me hand back to Laurent for the outlook.
Thank you, Albin. Before opening the line for your question, let me turn to our outlook indeed. Soitec expects Q2 2027 revenue to be up more than 30% year-on-year, notably sustained by acceleration in Photonic SOI. Looking ahead, the momentum behind Photonic SOI keeps building as AI architecture progressively adopt optical transceivers. Photonic SOI technology has already demonstrated its ability to address different configurations such as pluggable transceiver, near package optics or NPO, and co-package optics, CPO.
As the industry is entering the scale-up era with mass production of AI interconnects, our visibility on Photonic SOI end demand, and our ability to execute are both improving. Assuming no material disruption in the AI market, Photonic SOI fiscal year 2027 revenue is expected to more than double the revenue generated in fiscal year 2026, which was slightly above $100 million.
For fiscal year 2027, we expect contrasting dynamics across our end markets. In Mobile Communications, progress in POI should be offset by the ongoing customer inventory correction in RF-SOI in a challenging smartphone market. In Automotive, the good visibility stemming from the customer long-term agreement means that any early sign of end market recovery would not be expected to benefit the group this year. By contrast, Edge & Cloud AI momentum continues to improve, driven by accelerating demand for Photonic SOI.
From an investment standpoint, we are addressing this growing demand for Photonic SOI with agility as we leverage the fungibility of our industrial footprint. As a result, fiscal year 2027 CapEx cash out is still expected around EUR 100 million. Our priorities remain unchanged. We will continue to capture the opportunities created by AI while maintaining disciplined financial execution and selective investment approach.
The acceleration we are seeing in Photonic SOI reinforce our conviction that AI will remain a powerful growth driver for Soitec. Combined with the quality of our technology portfolio, our expanding industrial capabilities, and improving customer visibility, we believe the group is well positioned to capture this opportunity while continuing to execute with discipline. Thank you very much for joining us today. We are now happy to take your questions.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please dial five on your telephone keypad. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial six. The next question comes from Emmanuel Mateu from Oddo BHF. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Laurent Rémont. Good morning, Albin. I hope you can hear me well.
We do.
Thank you for all this positive news on photonics. What is your outlook for this key product line beyond this year, given the long-term agreements in place with your customers? Should we expect still further strong growth over the coming years, or will we see things level off?
Second, what is the current status of the co-package optics qualification phase? When it is due to be completed? Third, how will the increase in demand for photonics affect your margins this year? The consensus forecast was for an EBITDA margin of 27% this year, prior to last night's announcements. You should be comfortable with this estimate. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Emmanuel. I will take the two first one. Albin will reply on the margin. Outlook beyond the fiscal year 2027 for photonics, too early for us to comment. As we said, we see a good momentum accelerating. We have negotiated with most of our customer capacity reservation agreements that extend beyond fiscal year 2027.
However, that's a very dynamic market. We are cautious, and we will communicate on that once we have more certainty and more visibility. Regarding your second point on co-package optic. Most of the revenue we see right now, and most of our revenue for fiscal year 2027 will be on pluggable and partly NPO as well, probably starting.
We still see co-package optic ramping up at the end of the year on the scale-out. Especially on the switching racks on the scale-out. However, that's not the main driver of revenue right now. We expect medium term to have co-package optic as a growth driver, as we see three waves of growth in photonics. That was the first wave. I remind you, we are in photonics for 10 years.
First wave was more telecom-driven. There is right now the scale-out in the data center, and there will be the scale-up starting already. Scale-up is starting actually already with pluggable and will move forward with co-package optic. For all of that, we can address with pluggable, NPO and co-package optics. With that, I hand over to Albin regarding your margin question.
Yes, Emmanuel. Look, obviously, the gross margin will be impacted by a few drivers this year. I would like to walk you through these key factors. First, obviously, we will benefit from a powerful mix effect driven by the continued increase in photonics sales.
The contribution of photonics product is well above the average at the group, so the mix impact will be powerful. Second, we will see a substantial fab reloading as we progress throughout the year, at around 65% on average for the year, compared with the approximately 60% level we indicated in May. Beware, this reloading impact did not materialize in Q1. It will ramp up in Q2, Q3, Q4.
These positive factors, these powerful positive factors will be offset to some extent by some elements. First, fundings embedded in the gross margin will be significantly lower compared to the prior year. To put things into perspective, we expect approximately EUR 30 million less fundings embedded in the gross margin compared to the prior year, because the IPCEI-II is ending at the end of the year, and we don't know when the IPCEI-III will kick in.
Second, price impact will still be negative as a consequence of POI ramping up and the company entering into long-term agreement, which gives it visibility. Third, we should see higher profit sharing and share-based compensation items compared to previous year. Last, the dollar hedge is at 1.19 compared with an execution rate of 1.14 last year.
Stepping back, I would remind you that we have consistently said that our recovery would be phased. The first phase was cash. We delivered on that commitment in Q4 2026, and the actions taken by our teams are expected to translate into a substantial improvement in cash generation in the first half of the year. The second phase is a return to growth.
The confidence we have expressed in our ability to return to growth is now beginning to translate into tangible results at the call of today. The third phase is a return to a satisfactory level of profitability driven by gross margin, and we expect that recovery to be tangible and significant in 2027 and to fully materialize in 2028.
The next question comes from Alexander Pieterse from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I'd just like to understand what exactly triggered the massive Photonics outlook upgrade. I think you previously indicated more than 30% CAGR. Obviously 100% is more than 30, but this is a step change here. Is simply qualifying the Singapore line allowing for this surge this year? H ow should we think about growth continuing from here? Can you add more capacity quickly given the strong demand patterns you see?
Secondly, I think you indicated with full-year results, that growth would not necessarily accelerate from the first quarter. We now get an acceleration already in Q1 and re-accelerating again in Q2. Should we think about the rest of the year as reflecting normal seasonal patterns rather than softer seasonal patterns, which you seemed to indicate previously? Thank you so much.
Good. Maybe on your first part. What has changed is three things, I would say. First, we continue to see an acceleration in the demand since May. The demand from our customer continue to grow. That's the first point. Second point is we are more capable with the action we set in place, and I will come back to that in a second.
We are more capable to qualify this demand, to judge and understand if there are double booking, how committed are our customer on this demand. That as well, this increase our confidence. Third is our capability to execute. One of the first action I took when I took the job was to set, in the very first weeks, a steering group around Photonics to really mobilize the full company on this topic across the various organization, operation, business line, sales, finance.
This deliver of results and increase our confidence to reply to this demand and execute. Meaning, for example, ensuring we have all the supply that is needed on our side on material from our supplier, meaning we are adjusting our industrial footprint and the tools that we need to adjust the new product mix. Meaning that we are signing this capacity reservation agreement with customer to qualify the demand, to have as well the capability to judge this demand and be sure they are committed.
A s well as you said, we made very good progress in the qualification of our Singapore site, with first customers starting production already. All of that explain the change in our tone between May and now. Regarding the second part of your question on seasonality, we are not guiding per quarter.
What we wish to do is to give you a better view on what is ongoing, that you can calibrate as well versus what you see yourself in the industry. We are not guiding by quarter. As we told you in May, we are trying to reduce our seasonality. Given the acceleration in photonics, it will be difficult to do this year. That's for the best, I would say.
Okay. Thank you. Just to clarify, the Singapore line was initially, I think, was due to come on stream by the calendar year-end. This is a meaningful acceleration, the readiness of that plant. Is that correct?
We were sampling. We had first to sample, we have our customer to qualify these new products. This accelerated and yes, indeed, this was planned initially more end of the calendar year, and we accelerated that with first customers. All the rest of the customer, they still have to qualify as well this line because we pushed all our customer if they want to increase their capacity to qualify both our Bernin production site in France and our Singapore site. That's ongoing for some of them. That's done for others.
Thank you very much.
The next question comes from Nigel van Putten from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hi. Good morning. Can I start with a clarification question just to get a better bearing on sort of the quarterly developments in photonics? Can you confirm that it was not only up year-over-year or doubling year-over-year but also up quite a bit from this first quarter from the fourth quarter last year? If I look at the guide for the second quarter, obviously, that's also the photonics.
Should we then expect another material sequential increase in Photonics-SOI as well? I think it's in the press. Just confirming this because actually, maybe my real question is, given the commentary so far, I think there's more customers coming online. Should we see there as a limitation of what you can currently produce per quarter, or will that continue to progress into the second half of the year as well? That's my first question. I'll leave it there.
Yeah. I confirm that there was an increase in photonics between Q4 and Q1, and we expect that to continue through the year. We are exploiting the fungibility that we have between all the SOI products, and we are exploiting as well some empty space room. We are tuning our manufacturing to reply to the demand. Yes, you should expect this will continue to grow. No bottleneck at this stage.
As I said in May, this is more for us to catch up quickly with the demand. It's more lead time to peak than a bottleneck to peak. Would this momentum continue even to accelerate big time? As we said a quarter ago, we have capabilities as well to extend further either in Singapore. We have a building that will need to be equipped at some point. That's a big decision on us, and we are not at this stage at all right now. This is something we could trigger, and we are starting as well to expand in our V4 module in Bernin for Photonics. Yes, we are set up to continue to grow.
Perhaps just given timelines are moving around, the Bernin V4 expansion, when should we expect customers to start qualification out of there? Maybe even better yet, when would you expect to start shipping from there? Maybe, related to that, you are making multi-year commitments or getting those from customers. How should we think about pricing for Photonics given that your customers are committing for multiple years at the same time? There does seem to be some urgency. How is the pricing environment currently? Thanks.
Regarding V4, the good thing is V4 is a module that is connected to V2, meaning qualification of our customer, we should be able to do it usually in that case by similarity. That's not a big qualification time for our customer. For us, it is more V4. We are starting to move in that direction, but you should not expect this V4, not V4.28. Regarding ASP, I let you comment maybe, Albin.
No, we expect pricing obviously to remain strong. All the more, even so, with the high volumes we are contemplating. We express a message of confidence in pricing.
That's very clear. Thank you very much.
The next question comes from Jakob Bluestone from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I've got two questions, please. Firstly, on capacity utilization, I think you said you expect an average fab loading of 65% for the year. Could you maybe give us the Q1 number?
Secondly, on the photonic side, don't know how easy it is, but is there any way to sort of give any color on the sort of mix of the revenue or the orders you're seeing, how much is NPO versus CPO versus scale across? Thanks.
Maybe Albin, you take the first part.
Yeah, sure. I referred to 65%. The reason I did mention the number was that back at the end of May, I said 60%. Overall capacity utilization will be higher. It's not always easy to determine the numbers because it depends a lot of in the mix of a product that you manufacture in the factory. Time utilization of the equipment is very different, depending on the product you put. Nevertheless, 65% plus. On the first quarter, our average loading was 48%.
Noticeably, that's down from 74% into the first quarter of last year, which gives you an idea of the magnitude of the effort, which was carried out by the teams to reduce inventories, and drive working capital back at the right level. With this number, you can infer what our loading should be for the next three quarters to see that the ramp-up will be very significant.
On the second part of your question regarding different configuration and what part of our business is related to plugables, CPO, NPO and so on. First thing, a disclaimer. For us, that's not always straightforward to identify where our wafers end up. Is it a CPO? Is it a plugable or NPO? We have a good idea, but that's not always certain.
However, our view currently is most of the business we do today is, and the growth is coming from scale-out. Mostly plugable at this stage. We expect NPO to take some share, and we expect CPO in the scale-out as well to ramp up end of the year. Regarding the scale-up, again, that's mostly plugable. We expect here there is a question mark on when CPO will really kick in on the scale-up. You know that one of the challenge of the CPO is more on the assembly side and as well on the testing to be sure to reach good yield on the overall assembly.
Depending how these things progress, NPO could be an intermediate step, or NPO could develop in parallel while CPO will mature as well. For us, we do not see a big difference if this is NPO, plugable or CPO. There is roughly the same photonic SOI solution in all this system. We are working with all the customers that are selling these various architectures. Bottom line for us, all of them, plugable, NPO and CPO, are great opportunities for us.
Thank you.
The next question comes from Craig McDowell from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
Hi. Good morning, gents. Thanks for taking my questions. Just two for me. The first one, I realize that the agreements that you strike with customers will be different, but maybe you could just give us a flavor of the terms that you're trying to agree with customers on the Photonics. What kind of terms are you looking for from your customers? The second one was on RF-SOI. Can you maybe give us an update on the inventory digestion? What's the current inventory in the channel and any change to your expectations on the digestion through the year? Thank you.
Capacity reservation agreement on customers. We have a good momentum. Obviously, we are not forcing all our customer to sign a capacity reservation agreement. If they want to stay on a more transactional short-term view, that's fine for us. That's the purpose as well for the capacity reservation agreement, is to judge a bit the demand and the level of commitment of the various customer.
Usually what we are asking in this capacity reservation agreement is we agree on the price. We ask for a down payment or a deposit. We ask visibility on the customer inventory to be sure that we are not building inventory, down in our value chain. Regarding RF-SOI inventory, if you recall what we say in Q4, due to seasonality, inventory was flat, but we were expecting inventory to go down again, through the year, which materialized.
In March, we were at 2 million, roughly, 8-inch equivalent, 2 million wafer 8-inch equivalent in March. Now we are estimating we are at 1.7 million wafer equivalent 8-inch. That's in line with what we said previously. Bear in mind that we estimate the sell-out for a year at about 1.5 million wafer equivalent 8-inch per year. Which mean we still have some way to go, to come back to a pre-COVID level. We will continue to add action to reduce this inventory.
Thank you.
The next question comes from Oliver Wong from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Good morning. Thank you for letting me ask a question, and congrats on the strong Photonics results. Understand that Photonics-SOI revenue grew sequentially from Q4 to Q1 and is expected to into Q2. Would you say at this point you're seeing sequential growth throughout the rest of this fiscal year?
I'm curious, is this sort of revenue timing more driven by capacity or by just sort of the availability of your capacity or by just customer timing? Is there scope for demand to further increase significantly even for this year? Thanks.
Yes, yes, and yes. Regarding sequential growth, yes, this will continue over the year. This is driven both by acceleration in demand, from our customer, but as well our capability to execute. Third, yes, if needed, we can extend further our capacity to respond to bigger demand.
Got it. That's helpful. Just quick follow-up. How much of the supply, or how much of the Photonics revenue that you're seeing for this fiscal year do you reckon is driven by customers sort of securing supply ahead of time for perhaps, optical ramps for subsequent years, be it for pluggables or for MPO and CPO? Thanks.
Not sure to get your question clearly. How much is secured by new demand or how much was already in place? This is what you mean, or?
My question is, currently for this fiscal year, you see Photonics SOI revenues more than doubling. I am curious, in terms of the timing of this, I understand that you have commitments for subsequent years as well, how much of the demand purely for this year do you think is also driven by sort of customer optical ramps that they're planning to do for the subsequent years for let's say next year and beyond?
There is a bit of both. Part of the demand is to prepare for next year. Part of the demand is right now for this year and used really in the data center. If this is your question, how much is to prepare for customer for next year ramp and how much is really used directly in data center right now? There is a mix of both. That's why as well we are asking to have visibility on inventory to be sure that our customer are not piling inventory just for expectation for next year that would not materialize.
Got it. Sounds good. That's clear. Thank you.
The next question comes from Nigel van Putten from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for allowing me to ask a quick follow-up. Maybe just on that last point, I think, I get that customers sort of need to prepare. There's a way to interpret this as sort of pre-buying, would it be fair to say that customers are this year preparing for next year, and next year they will be preparing for the year thereafter? Even though they might want to work with a certain inventory, there's no real sense of this being driven materially or at all by sort of pre-buying. I have another follow-up.
Yeah. A bit the same comment, that's a mix of both. They have to sell already, our customers, they have to sell the demand they see on their side super short-term. Yes, they would like, I believe, to create a bit of buffer, in order to be able to not be in line down and as well be sure that they prepare a bit for next year. At this stage, with inventory level we are requesting, we are not at all at this level, just to be clear. I got very often escalation of customer being in line down. They are not ordering things that sit in a warehouse, just to be clear.
Yeah. Thanks for that. Maybe, given you've actually given us quite a bit to work with in terms of how current fab utilization looks, how you look at the full year, there's going to be sequential growth still in photonics. As you've said, more than double in the press release, but maybe that can be interpreted in many ways.
Would it be fair to say that there's going to be a quite material gap between, let's say, 100% and what you expect to deliver? Maybe multiple teens at least, based on sort of your current visibility? That's certainly the number I end up with, more towards growth of maybe 150% or more, given commentary. Just wanted to make sure that I'm doing the math correct.
Yeah. Currently, what we said, more than double, is what we see based on the end demand from the current one and our capability to execute. We will update you if this change over the year. That's the best assessment that we have right now. You can understand that's a very dynamic situation on this topic. You see that as well through the whole value chain on optical. We give you the best view we have at this stage. Keeping in mind as well that we have more than 10 customers. That's where we are at this stage, and we will update you on that regularly.
Maybe to then ask it in a different way. I think what one number I'm kind of missing, or I guess everybody on this call to improve the modeling is really the actual number you printed in this quarter, or in the last quarter I should say, for Photonics, and then we can do our own math, and then we can take into account the guide, which points to sequential acceleration as discussed.
I think you've also alluded to the second half not being flat from that level, but sequentially increasing as well. Maybe more straightforward. Could you help us understand how we should think about the contribution, ideally millions reported for Photonics in the first quarter?
Yeah. What I can tell you on the Q1, on the EUR 65 million, is Photonics is a strong contributor for the EUR 65 million in the Edge & Cloud AI. That's the main driver.
Sorry. Within Cloud AI, could you maybe say it's more than half, less than half? Just trying again in a different way.
Yeah, more than half.
More than half. That's very clear. Thank you so much.
The next question comes from Robert Sanders from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Yeah, sorry I joined the call late, just to ask a bit, I assume this haven't been asked, just around input costs. What have you seen from your Siltronic, and Shin-Etsu Handotai partners, wafer partners in terms of potential price increases, as you look out, in terms of your input costs? I have a follow-up. Thanks.
As I said earlier, one of the action we took, in order to get better visibility on our capability to execute, was to focus as well on our supplier, to be sure we have what is needed. That's what we have done and we continue to do, having a good view currently on our suppliers. Yes, the situation is tense, but is manageable.
Overall. Sorry. If we take only into consideration the price at which we sell our products and the raw material prices, the difference between the two being what we call the contribution. We see contribution improving slightly this year.
We have a diversified base of supplier. Again, that's something we monitor carefully, but we consider that managed.
Just on the on the GlobalWafers situation and the expiry of their license. How many of your foundries and foundries customers are absolutely insistent that you have a U.S. source? Because obviously that's the thing that's really in favor of them. Even if they may not have the best wafer for photonics. They do have a U.S. site. How much of a strategic disadvantage do you think that is? How do you think about GlobalWafers' revenue and photonics tailing off? Thanks.
Regarding our footprint and the current market situation, we do not see that as a blocking point at this stage. The focus right now for the industry is to get a path out. Many photonic foundries are actually not in the U.S. There is one in the U.S., but most of the other actually are not in the U.S. What we see is our customer are very eager to take products either from Bernin or Singapore at this stage.
Just on the patent and the license, sorry. On the license expiry.
You mean licensing regarding GlobalWafers? Yeah.
Yeah. How should we think-
Same set. Go ahead.
I was just saying how should we think about that impacting you guys and then them? Presumably more them.
Same story that what we said earlier on last quarter. The license that they have will end next year. We will see what they do. This will end summer 2027.
Okay. Thank you.
This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to hand the program back to Laurent Rémont for closing comments.
Thank you for your interest and for all your questions. The next date in our agenda will be our annual general meeting on July 29th. We will publish our H1 2027 results on November 18th. This ends the call for today. Thanks a lot, everyone.