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Earnings Call: H1 2025

Apr 4, 2025

Operator

Good morning. Thank you for standing by and welcome to Sodexo's First Half-Fiscal 2025 Results Conference Call. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions by pressing star and one at any time. I advise that this conference is being recorded today, Friday, on the 4th of April 2025. I would now like to hand the conference over to the Sodexo team. Please go ahead.

Juliette Klein
Head of Investor Relations, Sodexo

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I'm Juliette Klein, Head of Investor Relations, and I'm pleased to welcome you on our H1 fiscal 2025 results call. On the call today is Chairwoman and CEO Sophie Bellon and CFO Sébastien de Tramasure to take us through the presentation. After their remarks, we'll open the line for questions. We'll ask you to please limit yourselves to two questions and one follow-up. The press release is available on sodexo.com. Please note that this call is being recorded and may not be shared without our consent. Just a reminder that our next announcements will be the Q3 figures on July 1. Please reach out to the IR team if you have any questions after the call. With that, I now hand over to Sophie.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Thank you very much, Juliette. Thank you for joining us today. Just two weeks ago, we shared our preliminary H1 results and revised our full-year guidance. We recognize then and reiterate today that some of our initial assumptions have not played out as expected. Today, we want to provide further clarity on what has changed and why we remain confident in our strategy. When we started the year, we believed there was a clear path to achieving our targets. This was based on strong commercial momentum, expected volume growth, and the wrap-up of key contracts. Several factors, however, did not materialize as we anticipated. Upon receiving particularly weak February results, we immediately started to review and analyze our data and assumptions in granular detail. We concluded that our financial year 2025 guidance was too optimistic regarding the pace of volume acceleration and new contract openings.

Sébastien will provide you with more detail just after. The challenges we are facing are in a few specific areas, and we are addressing them head-on. In North America, education remains the key focus. We have a new leader in place since February. His roadmap is clear. We find the portfolio mix, strengthen our offer, and accelerate innovation to improve growth and performance. The impact of this initiative should become visible throughout fiscal year 2026. Another significant challenge this year is a negative net new contribution in North America. While our 2024 signings were strong, two large contracts will only start contributing in financial year 2026 and beyond. This means the underlying financial year 2024 net new contribution was effectively neutral. At the same time, net signings in the first half of fiscal year 2025 were weaker than expected. We are having to deal also with the timing challenges.

Some of the new contracts are ramping up gradually, while some losses take full effect immediately, which means net new contribution is a headwind for this year in North America. Our plan to address this challenge is based on two key pillars. First, we are intensifying our focus on sales and retention, building on the initiative we have implemented over the past year, and this includes the effective deployment of branded offers, the complete review of incentive schemes for our sales team done this year, and extensive training programs. These efforts are already showing encouraging signs. Our North American pipeline remains strong, and we have secured notable contract wins in recent weeks, while these will have a limited impact on this year's results, mainly starting in Q4. They lay the foundation for growth in fiscal year 2026 and beyond.

Second, we are tightening our approach and criteria to assessing contract ramp-up and scrutinizing volume assumptions more closely. This will help improve predictability and ensure a more disciplined execution of our growth strategy. Finally, in Europe, while macroeconomic conditions continue to impact facility management, we are focused on execution and operational efficiency to mitigate the effects. Despite these challenges, our confidence in our strategy remains unchanged. Our teams are highly engaged and committed to execution, restoring performance in these key areas and tightening predictability. Looking ahead, our priorities are clear. We are executing with discipline, adapting when necessary, and staying focused on long-term value creation. With that, I will hand it over to Sébastien, who will take you through the details of what led to the guidance revision and provide clarity on how we view the second half of the year.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

Good morning, everyone. As Sophie just outlined, we revised our full-year guidance two weeks ago to reflect a lower-than-expected pace of growth. Today, I would like to go through the key drivers behind this revision. Looking at the bridge on the slide, you can see that we initially guided toward organic growth between 5.5% and 6.5% for fiscal year 2025. With the updated outlook, we now expect organic growth of between 3% - 4%. The shortfall is essentially concentrated in North America, which accounts for 80% of the revision. Breaking it down further, the largest impact comes from healthcare, which represents a 90 basis point drag on growth, mainly due to delays in the ramp-up of new contracts that Sophie just mentioned. Our initial assumption on the timing of this new ramp-up was too optimistic.

This lower realization rate also explains more than half of the shortfall in the segment. Additionally, our partnership with a major healthcare organization, Captis, which we signed last year, was expected to contribute significantly in the second half, but it will only start in fiscal year 2026. This accounts for another 30% of the healthcare shortfall. The rest comes from lower lag-for-lag volume, with retail initiatives ramping up more slowly than anticipated. In education, the shortfall represents a 60 basis point impact, as you can see in the slide. In university, we had expected a boost in volume driven by several retail initiatives and increased student enrollment in the spring semester. However, this initiative fell short of expectations and did not generate the incremental revenue we had planned. The shortfall here accounts for approximately 40 basis points.

Additionally, weather-related school closures and lower attendance contributed a further 20 basis points. The remaining 50 basis points from North America come from other parts of the business, in particular, lower than expected retention in corporate services. Outside of North America, facilities management in Europe has also been softer than expected, reflecting ongoing macroeconomic pressures. This represents a 40 basis point impact. We have seen fewer facility management projects which are sensitive to budget constraints. In summary, the downward revision is essentially due to delays in healthcare ramp-up, lower growth in volume in education, and retention pressure in corporate services, all concentrated in North America. While these headwinds impact fiscal year 2025, we remain focused on executing and positioning ourselves for return to stronger growth. Now that we have explained the gap versus our initial expectation, let's move on to our performance and the fiscal year 2025 outlook.

After delivering 4.6% organic growth in Q1, Q2 came in at a much lower 2.4%, with un expected weak February driven in the main by North America. The key factors behind this decline were calendar effect and one-off, the drag from net new contribution, including losses in corporate services such as a large facilities management contract we lost last year and we demobilized in January, and lower volume due to higher convertible base. Looking ahead to H2, we expect organic growth between 2.5% and 4.5%, bringing our full-year outlook to between 3% and 4%. In terms of phasing, Q3 is likely to look more similar to Q2 than Q1, and Q4 is expected to be stronger despite a - 1.3% drag from last year's Olympics game.

Q4 will benefit from the ramp-up of several Large New Contracts, including the Prison Contract in France, Esnet in the U.K., Santos in Australia, which I already mentioned in January, but also, for instance, University of Cincinnati Health in the U.S. In addition to the fading impact of prior year contract losses, this will give us a boost of net new contribution of circa 100 basis points between Q3 and Q4, with limited risk of slippage. A more favorable mix from seasonality in education, as well as a positive calendar impact, will also contribute to support growth in Q4. Moving on to cost management and our continued strong cash flow. On cost management, we are making progress. Our global business services project is delivering results, bringing around EUR 10 million of savings this year, as expected.

We are also streamlining the organization in key regions while maintaining strict monitoring and control over HQ costs. On cash flow, our underlying free cash flow in H1 remains robust, excluding the exceptional tax outflow related to the tax reassessment in France. We have also continued to improve working capital, reinforcing our financial position. Looking ahead, we are on track to achieve a leverage ratio between our targeted range of 1%-2% by the end of the fiscal year. I will now hand over to Sophie, who will take you through the key highlights of our H1 performance.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Thank you, Sébastien. Let's now turn to the group's performance in H1. H1 revenue reached EUR 12.5 billion, up 3.1%, with organic revenue growth of 3.5%. Food services continued to outperform, delivering 4.5% organic growth, while FM services grew at 1.7%. Underlying operating profit rose + 6.4%, with a 10 basis point margin improvement. Underlying net profit also grew by 5.4% at EUR 450 million. I want to highlight the strong business development momentum in H1. We secured over EUR 1 billion in new contracts, including cross-sell opportunities. On this slide, you'll find our usual last 12-month KPIs as of H1, with a retention rate of 93.9%, as you can see in the middle block, and a development rate at 7.3% on the right block. These figures are influenced by the specific dynamics of last year's H2, where we saw both particularly high losses and strong wins still embedded in these rolling indicators.

Looking at our full-year target, starting with retention and to repeat what we said two weeks ago, financial year 2024 and financial year 2025 have been unusually dense in global accounts renewal, with 80% of our EUR 1.6 billion portfolio coming up for renewal over these two years, including EUR 0.9 billion in financial year 2025 alone. Among the six major contracts expiring this year, we have successfully retained five of them. As a result, we are targeting a retention rate between 94%-94.5% for the full year, factoring in the one non-renewal. Without this, our retention would be above 94.5%, demonstrating solid underlying performance. On the development side, momentum remains strong. In H1, we signed EUR 1 billion in new contracts, including cross-selling, representing a 20% increase compared to last year. Of that, 30%-40% is expected to contribute to financial year 2025 revenue.

Further strengthening our outlook, our pipeline is larger and more advanced than usual, reinforcing our confidence in delivering a 7%-8% development for the full year. On the next slide, you'll see a selection of contracts we either signed, renewed, or extended during the first half. I won't go through them in detail, but I encourage you to take a look. I would like to just highlight the good momentum in healthcare in the U.S., where we recently secured several significant contracts, including Atlantic Care, the largest healthcare system in southeastern New Jersey, and UC Health, which is set to mobilize in Q4. We also signed significant contracts with Tennis Canada National Bank Open in Montreal, BNP Paribas in London, and Uber in India. Over the next three slides, we have outlined key milestones and business highlights from the first half across our region.

In North America, Sodexo Live! delivered world-class hospitality at the Super Bowl in New Orleans this year and the Taylor Swift Eras Tour, proving our ability to enhance major events. We are also expanding in the fast-growing U.S. convenience market with the acquisition of CRH Catering, strengthening our in-reach offering and accelerating our growth. In education, we are reshaping campus experiences with Food Hive convenience stores and our new resident dining experience, One & All, improving accessibility, speed, and community engagement for students. In Europe, we are proud to demonstrate the added values Sodexo is able to share through the talent of chefs. Some examples: in Marseille, we partnered with a three-star Michelin Chef, Alexandre Mazia, to redefine the culinary experience at the MuCEM Museum. In Sweden, Jessie Sommarström, Executive Chef at Sodexo Sweden, has composed the Nobel Prize Banquet menu.

At the beginning of this week, the Michelin-starred Frédéric Anton saw his six stars renewed. Our transformation, boosted by branded offers, extended across multiple sectors. For example, the rapid expansion of Key Mark in Sweden highlights our investment in sustainable, high-quality corporate dining. In the U.K., we launched the KitchenWork Micro-Kitchen, transforming military dining with digital-first efficiency, delivering increased sales, margin, and customer satisfaction. Sodexo also continues to develop its DPO, Antegra, serving clients in nine countries in Europe. Antegra has grown significantly in recent years through both organic growth and also acquisition in France and in the Netherlands, with the recent acquisition of Orinco and Highland Purchasing to complement the previous one of Procent in the Netherlands. For the rest of the world, we had a strong commercial momentum in Australia as well as in India.

We continue to develop innovative food services like our autonomous micro-markets, Nopunto in Brazil, with a planned expansion to 190 locations by the end of fiscal year 2025, driving a projected 20% growth in retail sales. We also launched our country's first autonomous retail store in Australia in a mining village, offering workers a seamless AI-powered shopping experience. We have just opened our new global business service center in Bogota after the successful opening of our shared service centers in Porto in 2018 and Mumbai in 2019. The objective is to promote standardized practices, innovation, efficiency, and better controls and cost management within the organization. This GBS will progressively utilize expertise for HR, finance, supply management, tech, and innovation. These highlights illustrate the strong momentum and strategic progress we have made across our geographies. Finally, everywhere, we are continuing the implementation of our strategy to positively impact people and planet.

As you can see on the slide, we have been recognized by major organizations for our leadership in sustainability and responsible business conduct. Now, I will hand it over to Sébastien to take you through our financial performance for the first half.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

Thank you, Sophie. As discussed already, our performance in the first half reflects the challenges we have been navigating. Nevertheless, there is some solid underlying progress. Operating profit increased by 6.4%, driven by revenue growth of 3.1% and an operating margin of 5.2%, up 10 basis points. Moving on to other income and expenses, this amounted to EUR -71 million, driven by higher restructuring costs related to the global business service project compared to gains from home care disposal last year. For fiscal year 2025, we now expect total other income and expenses to be around EUR 150 million. As usual, the modeling slide is available in the appendix. Net financial expenses were EUR 40 million, down EUR 6 million, mainly due to lower interest rates on the U.S. floating debt and the reimbursement of two bonds during the first half of fiscal year 2024.

For fiscal year 2025, we expect the financial result to be around EUR 100 million. The effective tax rate for the first half of the year was 19.5%, mainly impacted by the finalization of the Sodexo Asset Tax Audit. In comparison, the prior year's tax rate was 16.6% due to non-taxable gains from the home care disposal. The projected tax rate for the year is now around 20%-24%. Group net profit was EUR 434 million, down - 12.5% compared to last year, mainly due to the change in other income and expense I explained earlier. The underlying net profit, adjusted from other operating income and expenses and net of tax and exceptional tax items, reached EUR 450 million, up 5.4%. Moving on to our cash performance. Operating cash flows for the first half were EUR 600 million.

Excluding the exceptional tax outflow from the tax reassessment in France, it increased compared to last year. The change in working capital in the first half was seasonal EUR -491 million, an improvement on the EUR -513 million in the same period last year. Net CapEx, including new client investment, was slightly up at EUR 256 million, or 2.1% of revenue. We still maintain a target level of around 2.5% of revenue for the full year. This brings us to a free cash flow of EUR -234 million, which is due to three factors: one, seasonality of cash flow with a dividend payment in the first half; two, seasonal working capital requirement; and three, the exceptional tax outflow. Continuing down to the table, acquisitions net of disposal amounted to an outflow of EUR 72 million, mainly from the acquisition of CRH Catering in the U.S. on January 2025.

On the dividend, we maintain our 50% payout ratio, and the dividend paid during the year amounted to EUR 388 million, lower than the previous year's figure, which still included Pluxee's contribution. All in all, consolidated net debt is increased by EUR 850 million in the first half to reach EUR 3.4 billion at the end of February 2025. Let's move to the next slide. With rolling 12-month EBITDA up 6% year- on- year, our net debt to EBITDA ratio stands at 2.3x , which is unchanged from H1 fiscal year 2024. We remain committed to holding our strong investment-grade credit rating and expect to be back within our target range of 1x to 2x by year-end. Moody's recently upgraded our outlook from negative to stable, acknowledging our disciplined management of our balance sheet.

Looking ahead, we plan to repay our EUR 700 million bond maturing in April 2025 in full from existing cash resources while maintaining flexibility to pursue targeted bolt-on acquisitions. As you can see, whilst we have to revise our guidance, our cash position and balance sheet remain strong. Let's now turn to the review of operations. First half fiscal year 2025, revenues were EUR 12.5 billion, up 3.1%. Currency impact was minimal, and scope effects reduced revenue by 0.3%. As a result, organic growth was up 3.5%. Organic growth in North America was 3.5%, Europe +2.1%, and the rest of the world + 6.6%. In a moment, I will come back to the detailed geographic performance of each region. Food services performed better at 4.5% organic growth. Facilities management services activity was impacted by lower volumes and contract immobilization and was therefore only up 1.7%.

Now, starting with North America, revenue reached EUR 6 billion, up 3.5% organically. Business and administration continued to grow, supported by strong food services, while Q2 was impacted by some contract transitions and fewer working days. Sodexo Live! maintained strong momentum with a standout Q1, while Q2 was influenced by event timing. Education faced negative net new contributions, and with fewer working days and weather impact. Finally, healthcare and seniors remained resilient, balancing strong early performance with some contract savings. Next, Europe. Revenues in Europe reached EUR 4.3 billion, up 2.1% organically. Business and administration saw modest growth supported by pricing and new openings, but tempered by lower activity and site closure. Excluding the impact of major sporting events, Sodexo Live! growth was driven by strong performance of U.K. airports, lodges, and stadiums. Education grew steadily with price increase, balancing last year's contract exits.

Healthcare and seniors deliver strong growth, benefiting from higher volumes, price adjustments, and new business in France and Belgium. In the rest of the world, first half revenue reached EUR 2.2 billion, up 6.6% organically. We saw strong performance in India and Australia, but Chile and Peru were impacted by prior year's side losses. China continues to see signs of recovery. Finally, let's look at our margins. Our underlying operating profit margin increased by 10 basis points to 5.2%, driven by operational efficiency and effective cost management. In North America, despite the low organic growth, the margin still rose by 10 basis points to 7.1%, supported by better purchasing efficiencies and overhead cost control. In Europe, profitability increased by 10 basis points to 4.3%, with positive operational improvement and price revision.

In the rest of the world, in spite of some operational challenges in Latin America, the margin increased by 20 basis points to 3.9%, driven by improvement in Australia and China. In conclusion, we are confident in our ability to deliver sustainable and profitable growth as we focus on maintaining financial discipline, executing our operational priorities, and transforming the organization. I will now hand back to Sophie for the concluding remarks.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Thank you, Sébastien. To conclude, we acknowledge that our initial expectations for financial year 2025 were too optimistic, and we have moved quickly to restore performance and tighten predictability. At the same time, our business fundamentals remain strong. We're making progress, demonstrating that our structure and model are resilient in the face of challenges, and we're well-positioned to navigate different scenarios. We are confident that our 3%-4% organic growth and margin progression by 10%-20% is deliverable. We will provide more detailed guidance beyond 2025 at our financial year result in October. Our priorities are clear. We are driving sustainable growth, managing costs closely, investing in our future, and thus positioning ourselves for recovery in fiscal year 2026. With that, I would like to open the line for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. This is the conference operator. We'll now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. To remove yourself from the question queue, please press star and two. Please pick up the receiver when asking questions. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question is from Ivar Billfalk-Kelly at UBS. Please go ahead.

Ivar Billfalk-Kelly
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for the presentation. I think the first thing on everyone's mind is, of course, the potential impact that we might see from American cars now that we have more visibility on the absolute magnitude that we have. Could you please walk us through your expectations, both in terms of first-order effects that you could expect and maybe even second-order effects? There, I mean, for example, could there be impact on the Australian contract that you just won, given the dependence of the Australian economy on the Chinese market, which could suffer in the future? Secondly, looking at your CapEx plans, I mean, you mentioned CapEx is still at 2.1%, but you still expect it to be 2.5% for the full year. What is it that's actually going to lead to that acceleration?

Because that is a pretty big step up compared to where you've been historically.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Thank you, Ivar, for your questions. I think the first one is the impact on tariff. Can you precise expectation on first and second order? What do you mean by that?

Ivar Billfalk-Kelly
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

I suppose, I mean, for first order, I mean, direct impacts within a given country. But second order, as I mentioned, Australia, their dependence on the Chinese economy, which could suffer. You just won a big contract there in the offshore and remote services. Could that actually see lower volumes than you previously expected?

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Okay. Well first, let me answer you on the tariff and the impacts of the measures in the U.S. Then Sébastien will answer you on the CapEx. First, on the tariff, and let's start with the U.S., the increase of tariffs, we are a service business. In the U.S., our teams are American. We recruit locally. Most of our sourcing for food, especially, is in the country, 90% of the sourcing. It's a way of de-risking our position. Of course, on certain products, you know maybe coming from Mexico and Canada, like fruits and vegetables, especially during the winter, it could have an impact. But we have to stay vigilant on the announcement because we saw nothing on Canada and Mexico in the last announcement. Of course, it can create inflationary pressure in our supply, in our supply, especially in food.

First, we do not think anything is coming up now. Inflation is really something that we can adapt to because, as you know, part of inflation can be passed to our contracts. Also, depending on the product, we can change products. It is exactly what we did when we had the increase in inflation during the Ukraine war. For the impact on Australian contracts, I can tell you that there are two big contracts in Australia. One that we retain, Rio Tinto, and we see no impact. It has not started. The new contract has not started. We are getting ready for the new contract for next year. The reinforcing of the partnership, on the opposite, shows that we are identifying more cross-sell or new service that we could support our Rio Tinto client.

We do not see, we do not forecast any decrease in volume for that contract. For the Santos contract, which is a new contract, and this contract is going to be mobilized in Q3, we do not see also for now, we do not see any impact on the contract.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

Okay. To your question on CapEx, as you know, the evolution of CapEx and the fading of the CapEx depends on the timing of retention and timing of development, obviously. As you know, we are expecting a ramp-up of the in-year contribution and the opening mobilization during the second part of the year, especially with the opening of large new contracts. Those openings are linked with additional CapEx. The fading of CapEx, H1, H2, is quite consistent with our underlying assumption regarding the evolution of the development during the year.

Ivar Billfalk-Kelly
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Simone LeChifre, Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Simon LeChipre
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Yes, good morning. My first question is on the fading and on your expectation of 3Q, organic growth similar to 2Q. I mean, I think you had an 80 basis points leap year impact in Q2. So why Q3 should not be higher than Q2? Is it just like net new getting weaker quarter to quarter? And second question, it's more like on medium term. Obviously, you did not provide any update this morning, but I mean, I think in the current context, investors would appreciate some sort of visibility. So is there anything at this stage you could share on the growth algorithm for next year? Could 2026 be similar to 2025, given some large losses coming up next year, notably the global accounts? Thank you.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much, Simon. Sébastien will answer your first question, and I will take the second question.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

To your first question on the fading and the acceleration of the organic growth between Q2, Q3, and then Q4, there is yes, you are right, there is the impact of leap year and calendar year in Q2. We are expecting favorable opposites and favorable calendar year impacts in Q3 that will help the organic growth. We start, as we mentioned earlier, the mobilization of new contracts at the end of Q3. This will help the organic growth in Q3, and we will have the full quarter impact from those mobilizations in Q4.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Okay. For the long term, it's much too early to give long-term or next-year guidance. What I can tell you, we said that the dynamic on new contract is good because we are over $1 billion for new contract plus cross-sell in H1. We expect to be beyond the achievement of $1.9 billion at the end of the year also for new contract and cross-sell. As I said, for retention, we plan to be between 94%-94.5%, including site closure. Part of that is also the effect of the FM contract that we lost, and it will start to have an effect in Q2 and Q3 of next year. The underlying retention also should be above between 94.5%-95%. Those are the key levers to drive our growth in 2026.

Simon LeChipre
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Okay.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

As Sébastien said, our growth, our exit rate in Q4 for the growth is going to be better, is going to be better. Also, on Q4, we will have to look at the underlying organic growth because I remind you that in Q4 last year, we had the Olympic Games. We will also have to look at the underlying Q4 organic growth in Q4 to have a better visibility of how we start financial year 2026.

Simon LeChipre
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Just on retention rate, I'm getting a little bit confused because on slide 9, you mentioned 94.5% retention rate above 94%, excluding the loss of the global account. You just said it would be 94%, including the loss of this account. Could you just clarify?

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

No, no. No, the 94%, it's including the loss of the GSA contract.

Simon LeChipre
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Slide 9 is wrong?

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Okay. Slide 9. Can we see slide 9? No, we said that excluding, it would be above 94.5%. So there is a 0.5% that is missing.

Simon LeChipre
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Basically, underlying retention rate, all in all, would be 94%?

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

The underlying retention rate without that big GSA contract would be above 94.5%.

Simon LeChipre
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Leo Carrington, Citi. Please go ahead.

Leo Carrington
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Good morning. Could I first ask on the renewals? You mentioned the 80% of contracts being up for renewal this year and last. What's the average contract duration here? Is there a risk that we face this profile in a few years, or are there efforts that you can deploy to try and work on extensions to try and smooth this renewal cycle in future? Secondly, in terms of education, just taking into all of the factors mentioned earlier on this call, to what extent are the Q2 issues a forecasting issue or more of a performance issue versus expectations in terms of volumes and net new? Thank you.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

On the renewal of those contracts, it depends on the contract, but usually, it's 3 + 1, + 1, or it can be 4 years, or it can be 5 years. It happened that last year and this year, there was a big part of the portfolio out for bid. So of course, we are trying to minimize the effect for the future year. Also, but it's a contractual term, so it's also difficult to change. What we can do to minimize is being very proactive and do preemptive bid to anticipate some of the contractual terms with those clients.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

To your second question regarding the variance between the Q2 expectation and actual organic growth, I would say it's a mix of different topics. Obviously, it was lower volume than expected. It is true that when we look at the detailed assumption behind that, it probably embedded some optimism, and we are probably a bit too optimistic in terms of increase of volume. It is an adjustment. Again, it's a combination of both.

Leo Carrington
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from André Juillard at Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

André Juillard
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. First one is about the U.S. Regarding the actual environment and the fact that Donald Trump is pushing for America first, don't you have any fear about having a preference for a U.S. player rather than you in the new renegotiation contract? First question. Second question about retention. If we look at a more midterm view, what is your target? It's to come back rapidly on above 95%, or do you still consider that 94%-95% is a normal rate? Last question, very short, about tax rate. I just wanted to revalidate what you've been saying for 2025 and for the midterm target you are expecting for the tax rate on a yearly basis. Thank you.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Okay. Thank you for your question. On the U.S. environment, as I said in the beginning, for me, in the U.S., we are American. We employ more than 120,000 people in the U.S. We buy locally. We pay our taxes locally. I do not know if you remember, but at the time when we first signed the U.S. Marine Corps, there were some challenges on that, but we kept the contract. On the impact, our government portfolio is small, and the contract with the federal government in the U.S. only represents 4% of our revenue, with the U.S. Marine Corps contract representing half of that, so 2%. But of course, we do not think that being a French company, and we also have a lot of French American investors. We are an international company with a big footprint in the U.S.

On the retention, we want to come back rapidly to 95% and as close as possible to 95% without this big GSA contract this year. It is not the final target. We want to grow, and we want to keep the target to be above 95% in the midterm. On the tax rate, maybe, Sébastien, you can answer the question.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

On the tax rate, the initial guidance for the year was around 27%. For this year, the revised guidance is between 23%-24%. This is mainly because of the positive effect of the risk update associated with the tax audit of Sodexo U.S.A. In the midterm, we are back to the initial guidance of around 27% effective tax rate.

André Juillard
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Jaafar Mestari, BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Jaafar Mestari
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Hi. Good morning. First question on retention, please. Your target is to reach an underlying 94.5%. I'm just curious why you're so ambitious in the context of everything else you've said, which includes you have a particularly busy renewal season in education at the end of the year. Since you last spoke, I think some of the bridges you mentioned now include weaker than expected retention in corporates. I appreciate it's the right medium-term target, but in the short term, what's something that allows you to have that confidence given a particularly difficult remainder of the year? Secondly, just on U.S. healthcare, obviously, when you describe the delay in opening one major new contract, of course, it sounds very, very specific to that client and to you, and it doesn't sound like an industry issue.

I guess, could we just maybe take a step back, and how much more can you tell us about the underlying reasons there? Is the client just not ready in terms of IT, in terms of invoicing, or is there more going on? Is your client restructuring, closing down sites, reviewing wards at some of these hospitals, etc.? Lastly, I assume you have received a letter from the U.S. embassy last Friday, like many French companies operating in the U.S. I think you had five days to reply. Do you expect to be stating that the Sodexo Group does not operate any diversity and inclusion policies anywhere in the world, or are you effectively prepared to have your principles in balance with your business with U.S. federal agencies and with the U.S. military?

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

Okay. Thank you very much, Jaafar, for your question. I will start with the third question. We will go backward. I will answer the second question and let Sébastien reply to you on the first one. Third question, no, we did not receive the letter from the U.S. embassy about D&I. We are very cautious on the topic. We are a people company, and we have been operating, and we have strong values. f course, we are very concerned and very cautious about what's happening. We already have taken measures. There are some words that we are not using anymore. We are also careful about what is going to be published externally concerning that topic because we do not want to make ourselves vulnerable by D&I topic. We are adjusting to a new situation because we do not want to put risk.

We are not changing our values, but we are very pragmatic, and we don't want to put at risk our business. Second, on the healthcare contract. Yes, you're right. It's a very specific contract, and it's not very linked to the industry, so I should go into a little more detail with that contract. We have been awarded an exclusive partnership with Captis for its members for food and nutrition services and environmental services. Captis, what is Captis? It's a Collaborative Healthcare Organization delivering savings and value for members through aggregation and Committed Spend. Captis has proven a long-standing history of driving contract compliance and savings across its portfolio for its members. Captis has various healthcare organizations across the United States, more than 100 health systems with 1,400 hospitals in 29 states in the U.S.

We have an exclusive contract of 10 years with them with over EUR 100 million booked revenue commitment in the first two years. It is true that when we say delay, it is a delay of implementing this partnership and embarking the members of Captis in the new contractual terms with us. That is why you do not understand, you do not hear similar comments for other contracts, and we do not see it. We do not have the same issue for other contracts, but for this very specific contract, it is true that we have been too optimistic in the ramping up, especially for this year. It is going to take longer than we thought, and we have a very small impact this year. It is going to grow next year, but we will not have the full impact next year either, and it is going to be much better in 2026.

Thank you because I think it was important for us to clarify the situation on this Captis contract. And Sébastien, I think.

Jaafar Mestari
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

I'm sorry. I don't think I've heard your well, did you say the initial agreement was all the members would contribute at least EUR 100 million of revenue? I didn't quite catch if that was in the first year, in the first years, plural.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

No, no. All the members, they represent more than EUR 1.5 billion business in our services. The initial commitment is over two years, and in the first two years, we should have had more than EUR 100 million.

Jaafar Mestari
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Okay. In the first two years. Thank you very much.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

On retention, just to answer the first question. We said that the target for this year, it's above 94%, it's 94%-94.5%. If you restate the loss of the global account, again, it's 70-80 basis points. Even we are still discussing the scope, then you are above the 95%. We need to keep in mind also.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

No, we are above 94.5%.

Sébastien de Tramasure
CFO, Sodexo

As you know, it was quite dense here in some segments, especially in schools in 2024 and in 2025. It is the reason why we expect, again, to be back above 95% in the coming years.

Jaafar Mestari
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Thank you. My question was, I think that definition and the two different procedures are very clear. My question was, you have some particularly busy renewals in education, I think you said. You also had some more recent pressures on specifically retention in corporates. I'm just curious how H2 can be expected to improve year- on- year in the context of you've got a lot on your plate in H2.

Sophie Bellon
Chairwoman and CEO, Sodexo

We are trying to be ambitious, and it's true that we know that the GSA contract will have a full year impact because I remind you that our definition, we take the full year impact of the loss. We are saying we hope to be between 94% and 94.5%. Without that GSA, it could be above that. That's the only thing we're saying. Yes, we want to be ambitious because retention, as I said, for me, it's the first lever of our growth, and we want to continue to progress. As you said, it's not yet the end of the year, and sometimes you also have some surprise, like we had one in corporate services in North America at the beginning of the year. What I'm saying is that we are also making some progress.

We are pushing, we are continuing to push on the topic. That's what I'm saying.

Jaafar Mestari
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas

Thank you.

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Head of Investor Relations, Sodexo

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