Good afternoon. This is the conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Technip Energies First Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions by pressing star and one on your telephone keypad. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, they may signal an operator by pressing star and zero on their telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Phillip Lindsay, Head of Investor Relations of Technip Energies. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, Judith. Hello and welcome to Technip Energies financial results for the first quarter of 2024. On the call today, our CEO, Arnaud Pieton, will provide an overview of our Q1 performance and business highlights, followed by Bruno, who will provide more details on our financial results. We'll then open the call for questions. Before we start, I would encourage you to take note of the forward-looking statements on slide 2. I will now pass the call over to Arnaud.
Thank you, Phil, and welcome everyone to our results presentation for the first quarter, where I will begin with the highlights. Q1 represents a solid quarter for Technip Energies with continued focus on operational excellence, good commercial momentum, and progress in delivering on our 2024 strategic objectives. We delivered a strong financial performance with Adjusted Revenue of EUR 1.5 billion, up 5% YoY, and Adjusted Recurring EBIT margin of 7.3%, which puts us on track to deliver full-year guidance. Commercially, our technology products and services segment, TPS, had a very successful quarter by posting a book-to-bill of 1.3 and demonstrating our ability to capture growing demand for our services and solution offerings. In project delivery, we have been selected on three major projects in the period. This includes Ruwais LNG in Abu Dhabi and the Net Zero Teesside Power Generation and Carbon Capture Project for BP in the UK.
Both these projects are pending final investment decisions and will be incorporated in our backlog upon reaching this milestone. In addition, last week, we announced the award of Marsa LNG in Oman, which will be included in our second quarter order intake. As a result of this positioning and our rich commercial pipeline, we expect improved orders in Project Delivery and sustained momentum in TPS to boost our backlog, which at the end of the period stood at EUR 15.3 billion, up 27% YoY. Now moving to operational highlights, where we are delivering on our portfolio of projects and TPS assignments. In the first quarter, we achieved commercial production at the MIDOR refinery expansion, a facility that will deliver cleaner fuels to Egypt. In addition, LanzaJet inaugurated its Freedom Pines plant utilizing our Hummingbird technology.
This is the world's first commercial-scale facility producing sustainable aviation fuel from ethanol and therefore demonstrating the alcohol-to-jet pathway for SAF. This is paving the runway for future SAF-related opportunities. Overall, a very solid start to 2024, and I want to express my deep gratitude to our teams that continue to drive our leading performance all around the world. Moving to commercial highlights, where we strengthened our leadership in low-carbon, electrified LNG, and net-zero solutions. LNG remains a critical source of energy on the world's pathway to net-zero, and T.EN is committed to supporting its development while concretely addressing emissions abatement. Here, we were selected for two major low-carbon LNG developments: the Ruwais project for ADNOC in the UAE and Marsa LNG for TotalEnergies and OQ in Oman. These projects reflect the future and set a new standard for decarbonized LNG production.
Both will integrate electrified LNG trains powered by zero-carbon energy sources: nuclear for Ruwais and solar for Marsa. These will be among the lowest-carbon intensity LNG plants ever built. On Ruwais, we have commenced early EPC activities for what is a 2-train development with production capacity of 9.6 million tons per year. Marsa, on the other hand, is a bunkering project with a production capacity of 1 million tons per annum, which aims at reducing the shipping industry's carbon footprint by using LNG as a marine fuel. Marsa reached final investment decision in April, and the award will be included in our second quarter backlog. For clarity, again, the full award on Ruwais is pending the upcoming final investment decision and is not at this stage included in our backlog.
Turning to carbon capture, where in March, we received a letter of intent confirming our selection for Net Zero Teesside Power in the U.K. and demonstrating T.EN's growing leadership position as an integrated state-of-the-art CCUS solutions provider. This first-of-its-kind gas-fired power station will fully integrate our Canopy by T.EN carbon capture solution, aimed at capturing up to 2 million tons of CO2 per year. As a result, the project is expected to provide flexible, dispatchable low-carbon power equivalent to the average electricity requirements of 1.3 million U.K. homes. Net Zero Teesside has been shortlisted for government funding support as part of U.K.'s Net Zero Program, and negotiations are ongoing with the customer ahead of an expected final investment decision later this year. In summary, these achievements demonstrate our leadership in strategic markets as well as our commitment to energy supply, net-zero ambitions, and geographic diversification.
Turning now to the very solid progress we are making on delivering our 2024 strategic objectives. First, our growing leadership in carbon capture is further evidenced by early engagement and commercial momentum. In addition to our first awards from T.EN's Canopy carbon capture solutions, we have been awarded multiple FEEDs for projects to decarbonize cement production, gas-fired power, and energy from waste in various geographies. This success clearly demonstrates the confidence that customers have in our technical expertise and our ability to execute. Second, we continue to innovate and drive decarbonization in our traditional markets. This includes petrochemicals. Although slower GDP growth is impacting near-term demand and spending, environmental and legislative pressures are driving the industry towards lower carbon intensity and greater circularity. This clearly favors T.EN as we are focused on developing solutions to help customers decarbonize and future-proof their existing infrastructure.
One such innovation for decarbonized ethylene was recently recognized by the U.S. Department of Energy with IRA-funded investment of up to $200 million for a plant at commercial scale. This new technology, being developed with our partner LanzaTech, will produce sustainable ethylene from captured CO2 emissions. Finally, with the announcement of Ekwil, a joint venture with SBM Offshore, we aim to create competitive solutions for the nascent floating offshore wind sector. By bringing together our expertise, engineering, and delivery capabilities, we will innovate to further develop and commercialize our respective leading floating solutions. Sustainability is embedded in our purpose and core values, driving value across all of our activities. So before passing on to Bruno, let me highlight some of the achievements in our sustainability report. We continue to make substantial progress on the impactful targets we have set, and we are being intentional in our decisions.
This is clearly evidenced by our industry-leading safety performance recorded over 250 million work hours, as well as through increased diversity in the workforce, in our leadership teams, and on our board of directors. On climate, we have made solid progress towards our 2030 net-zero target for Scope 1 and 2 emissions, reducing by 28% compared to 2021. But emission reductions are only one aspect of the company's impact on the environment. To preserve the planet, we must also address biodiversity. One example of our effort is our formal commitment to not participate in any projects located in the most sensitive areas as deemed by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. This is included in our ESG scorecard, and we remain resolutely focused on making further progress on our sustainability journey through 2024 and beyond. I will now pass the call over to Bruno.
Thanks, Arnaud, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with the highlights of our financial performance for the first quarter. Adjusted Recurring EBIT was EUR 111 million, up 3% YoY. Margins at 7.3% are consistent with our full-year guidance. Adjusted Diluted EPS at EUR 0.50 per share increased by 11% YoY, benefiting from higher EBIT and a lower tax rate. Free cash conversion from EBIT, excluding working capital, was above 100%, leading to free cash flow generation of EUR 119 million. Turning to orders, adjusted order intake was EUR 850 million, higher YoY thanks to sustained momentum in TPS orders. An adjusted backlog ended the period at EUR 15.3 billion, equivalent to 2.5x 2023 revenues. Closing net cash was EUR 2.7 billion. In summary, a solid first quarter that puts us on track to meet full-year guidance.
Turning to our segment reporting and starting with Project Delivery. Revenues are up 9% YoY, resulting from the continued ramp-up towards peak activity on Qatar NFE and a growing contribution from Qatar NFS, as well as good volumes in various downstream projects. Adjusted Recurring EBIT margins are 60 basis points lower YoY at 7.5%. As discussed during our full-year call in February, project delivery margins will trend to a more normalized level, reflecting a rebalancing of the portfolio with growing volume from early-phase projects. The resulting EBIT increased by 2% YoY. Finally, backlog is up 35% YoY, equivalent to 3.3x 2023 segment revenues, and providing strong visibility. Given the strength of our commercial outlook and pipeline in 2024 and 2025, we are confident that we can further reinforce this backlog with high-quality projects to support our medium-term performance.
Turning to technology, product, and services. TPS delivered solid financials that are consistent with the trajectory for our medium-term framework. Revenues were up 5% YoY, resulting from higher proprietary equipment, as well as renewable fuels activity and sustained momentum in steady work across decarbonization markets. Adjusted Recurring EBIT slightly decreased YoY by 3%. Segment gross margin experienced a sound improvement YoY thanks to good execution and favorable mix. As we continue to invest in the future growth of TPS, this gross margin gain was offset in the quarter by strategic development initiatives, increased R&D spend, and higher selling and tendering activity. Turning to orders. High demand continues in TPS, with EUR 620 million order intake in Q1 2024. This is equivalent to a quarterly book-to-bill of 1.3 and reflects strong momentum across a broad range of decarbonization services, study, and PMC call-offs.
It's also a notably pleasing outcome given the absence of larger product awards in the quarter. This leaves the period-end backlog for TPS at close to 2 billion, consistent with shorter cycle activity. Turning to other key performance items across our financials, beginning with the income statement. Corporate costs of EUR 12.3 million in Q1 are below the run rate for 2023 that was somewhat impacted by strategic projects and pre-development initiatives. While some of these initiatives are ongoing, the financial impact has lessened. As global interest rates for now remain elevated, we continue to benefit from interest income, which at EUR 20 million is consistent with quarterly trends during 2023. Lastly, on the P&L, at 26.1%, the effective tax rate is consistent with the low end of the 2024 guidance range, benefiting from a favorable mix of earnings. Moving to balance sheet, where the picture remains solid.
Gross cash of EUR 3.5 billion is significantly in excess of the net contract liability, which, as a reminder, contains future project costs, future margins, and contingencies. Existing project in backlog plus expected awards during 2024 and 2025 will continue to contribute to this differentiated capital structure. Finally, gross debt remains stable, with over 80% long-term debt with maturity in 2028, a comfortable position. Before passing back to Arnaud, let's look into cash flows, where many of the trends seen in 2023 have continued. Free cash flow on an underlying basis, or excluding working capital, was EUR 119 million and consistently strong as we execute across our portfolio.
And conversion from EBIT remained above 100% in Q1, highlighting the strength of operational execution and the positive impact of interest income. Working capital was an outflow in the period, reflecting both portfolio maturity and the absence of large awards in recent quarters.
However, this merely serves to highlight the lumpy nature of working capital and is not representative of how we see the trend evolving with positive contribution expected from upcoming awards. We end the period with EUR 3.5 billion of cash and cash equivalent. I'll now turn the call back to Arnaud.
Thank you, Bruno. So to conclude, we delivered a solid first-quarter performance, and we are on track to meet our full-year guidance. Important commercial successes in project delivery and a strong dynamic in TPS support a positive award outlook and further improved long-term visibility. And we continue to innovate to reinforce our leadership positions in strategic markets, and we are experiencing very high demand for our offerings. Finally, we have set the date for our Capital Markets Day, and we do look forward to welcoming many of you on November 21st in London. Additional details will be made available in due course. With that, let's open the call for questions.
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Hello. Thank you for taking my question two, if I may. The first one is you've been selected for two major contracts, as you mentioned in your introductory remarks, Ruwais LNG and Net Zero Teesside. Can you share with us what is the expected size of those two contracts combined when the final investment decision will be done? That's my first question. And then on the SAF opportunities and the LanzaJet milestone with the inauguration of the first methanol-to-SAF plant, can you comment on the potential opportunities that this new way to produce sustainable aviation fuel is for you in the coming years?
Thank you, Bertrand. So I'll take your questions in order. Regarding Ruwais and Net Zero Teesside, you'll find out more when the final investment decision is taken. But to help and provide, I would say, flavor for the size of those two, what would be two major contracts, Ruwais would be north of EUR 1.5 billion. And when it comes to Net Zero Teesside, it's a very sizable project, so we will be well north of EUR 1 billion for sure on this project as well. So there are more discussions ongoing with the client, in particular with regard to Net Zero Teesside and the contracting scheme and the blend of lump sum versus reimbursable, etc. But I think I've provided the information that should guide on the or give you what you need in terms of the relative size of the opportunity.
In terms of the SAF opportunity set for Technip Energies, just, I will remind you that the total market for jet fuel is close to 300 billion liters per year, of which 600 million liters of SAF were produced in 2023. That represents a bit less than 0.5% of the total aviation fuel needed per annum. There is a lot of ground to be covered by SAF, and it does represent a massive opportunity for Technip Energies for several reasons, because of the regulations and the commitment from the airlines and IATA as well, and also thanks to our positioning. Beyond what we have been doing for Neste on the HEFA production, we have taken a few positions, including the one that you've identified with LanzaJet.
So pending a successful, I would say, performance of the plant, Freedom Pines, which was inaugurated earlier this year, and we are very hopeful and very confident that the plant will be performing based on, I would say, the ongoing commissioning activity. So then, I mean, pending that, I think the opportunity set is quite large, and we are already working on a certain number of FEEDs, and I have in mind at least four or five of them, where we are planning for the future and for which we are only, I would say, waiting for the confirmation of the overall yield and performance of the plant in the U.S. before developers and LanzaJet and ourselves being able to go full steam ahead, turning those FEEDs and studies into, I would say, projects. So the pipeline is here.
We're already working on four or five of them, and we will change gear as the performance of the plant, the Freedom Pines plant, is confirmed in the coming weeks and months.
Thank you.
The next question is from Richard Dawson, Berenberg. Please go ahead.
Hi. Good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. And two, please. My first question is on LNG. So we saw the Papua New Guinea LNG project with Total delayed this quarter due to cost increases. And as always, on the one hand, you have customers who are under pressure to remain disciplined on costs, but on the other hand, contractors under pressure to remain disciplined on bidding. So just interested to know whether you've seen any changes in this balance this quarter, just following your discussion with customers. And then secondly as well, the question is on the $200 million of potential DOE funding in the U.S. for LanzaTech.
Could you provide some color on how those award negotiations are going for the investment, and what portion of that likely $200 million investment would cover the CapEx, and also sort of when an FID could be taken on that project? Thank you.
Yeah. Thank you, Richard. So on PNG and, I would say, our world in general, it's always interesting to see that we are selected, and we have been awarded now a FEED for this LNG bunkering facility in Oman, and we have been selected for Ruwais, as you know, together with our partners. So this demonstrates that we are capable of bringing solutions and finding solutions to make projects fly and projects viable for our clients, which is part of our mandate, as you very rightly pointed out, okay? So we have absolutely a mandate to be profitable and to be making money and return to our shareholders as we should as a healthy business. And at the same time, we need to do so while allowing the projects of our customers to exist and to be viable. And we've demonstrated that we could actually do that.
Ruwais and Marsa are two recent examples. The relentless work that we are putting together in order to allow for the project to be viable was also put in motion on the PNG opportunity. The fact that the project is pushed to the right because not having the right price point, the environment is different, and it's going to go to recycling, but I can reassure you that we, as a company, always keep in mind that we have two obligations. One is to satisfy our clients and allow for their projects to exist, and two is to return to our shareholders. So there is no discrimination within Technip Energies between Marsa, Ruwais, and the PNG. For now, on PNG, this right price point, we haven't been able to find. And maybe will it be found in the future?
The future will tell as it's going through recycle, and assumptions are being verified. So it's always and as always work in progress and a challenge of ours to find this competitive price point for projects to fly. But we are able to find them, as I identified, as exemplified by Ruwais and Marsa. PNG hasn't been the case yet. Let's see what the future holds there. In terms of the DOE funding for a plant together with LanzaTech that will capture CO2 into ethylene, very pleased that we have been selected for what is a very sizable funding potentially by the DOE for a replicable decarbonized ethylene commercial facility. So let me maybe give you a little bit of a flavor for what this technology is capable of doing.
It's basically about the conversion of CO2 captured on a traditional ethylene plant from flue gas and turning that CO2 into renewable ethylene when recombined with clean hydrogen in this case, and our Hummingbird technology, which allows us to convert ethanol, sorry, to ethylene. So we were successful thanks to the technology. We were successful because together in our dossier, we were able to put forward. We had the necessary support from customers to provide sites as well to accommodate what would be this new infrastructure. The grant is for, I mean, up to EUR 200 million. We are fine-tuning what would be the total investment cost, but it's very likely going to be north of EUR 400 million, maybe up to EUR 500 million. Let's see. So there's still a gap to be filled.
Nonetheless, there's quite a number of interest, and we're speaking with a few financing houses interested into that investment. So yeah, FID will come later. And if everything goes well, I think it's something that we'll start seeing coming on stream 2026. So don't expect to see any revenue from that opportunity in 2024 or in the first part of 2025. But I would say it's for the back end of 2025 and into 2026, giving us the time to fine-tune a few things and also complete, I would say, the round of partnerships that's needed to reach final investment decision. But the fact that the technology was selected is super encouraging. We believe into it big time. And the fact that, as always, those funds, they happen because their support beyond the technology.
Big customers demonstrated interest and volunteered to dedicate some of their sites in order to accommodate that investment. It would be a first, and we're super encouraged and enthusiastic about what this opportunity set. CCS and CCUS is a key theme for the future. Capturing CO2, we know how to do it. Sequestering, that's great. I think the world will be even more mature the day we start utilizing CO2 and turning it into something that can be commercial. I mean, this opportunity is a chance to demonstrate that.
That's very helpful color . Thank you.
The next question is from Victoria McCulloch from RBC. Please go ahead.
Morning. Thanks very much for those interesting comments on CCS. And so maybe following on from that, your CCS and decarbonization capabilities seem to differentiate you, certainly with the recent LNG award and selections. How should we think about these from a margin perspective? Are these simply the opportunity to win more LNG projects and awards, or is there a benefit to being able to add carbon capture on the margin side? And secondly, there is emissions strategic development cost within TPS. I apologize if I missed your comment on this, but should we continue to see these weighing on the margin through the remainder of this year? And could you maybe give us some color as to what these were? Thank you very much.
Thank you, Victoria. I'll start on CCS and hand over to Bruno on TPS and maybe conclude on it. So CCS, we have several ways of differentiating. One is the technology and the suite of solutions that we have introduced to the market, so Canopy by T.EN carbon capture solutions that can go from very small size to very large size. Net Zero Teesside or Viridor, both in the UK, would actually tap into the large-scale carbon capture because we are at 1 million tons per annum and above on both of those opportunities. So the technology is a differentiator, and I will remind you that we continue to invest into the technology, the one we share with Shell, the Cansolv technology, but also other technologies. Carbon capture is one of the major three streams of investment and innovation within Technip Energies.
So as we grow our innovation spend and R&D spend, a large part of that is going into carbon capture, optimizing the amine-based technology, CapEx and OPEX, as well as investing into future technologies as we know that there is no one-size-fits-all yet in the world of carbon capture. So we will continue to invest. It's clearly a differentiator, so technology, but also the ability to integrate. And as a technology integrator, what we are demonstrating through the successes we are having is that, well, it looks like we're doing a good job in our ability to integrate technologies and put all that in motion at large scale. It's a trait of Technip Energies, something that we are demonstrating also in LNG, for example. And the world is realizing that this is needed in the low-carbon solutions as well.
So beyond a particular technology, there's also the need for integrating all that and for being able to take performance warranty wrap. So our customers are looking for people who can scale up, deploy, and also be there alongside with them to make sure that the plant will be performing per spec at or above nameplate. And you need technology integrators. You need what we are offering at Technip Energies in order to differentiate there as well, okay? So because the project that we are discussing, Net Zero Teesside, for example, you're talking very big-sized projects. Those are not small projects.
And so what we contribute, as well as the, I would say, nothing to do with technical capabilities here, but the strength of the company, including the financial strength, but also the capability set engineering-wise, etc., that's what's needed in order to integrate and allow for the plant to perform as expected. So the differentiation comes from multiple avenues, different angles. And the strength of the company is what is allowing us to be successful as we are and to be credible as we are at the moment in the world of carbon capture and sequestration and tomorrow into utilization. But clearly, the ability to put together and to put in motion carbon capture, electrification, and to be able to demonstrate and be confident in our ability to provide performance wrap on the plant, it's a differentiator.
The successes on Ruwais and the success of the selection on Net Zero Teesside and hence the success on Marsa. We're super, super pleased to be selected and to be building and deploying what will be the future of LNG, combining carbon capture and electrification. Bruno on TPS?
Sure. Thanks, Arnaud. Good afternoon, Victoria. On the TPS margin and this quarter over versus last year, first, I would start at 9.4%. If you put back to the second half of TPS over the last kind of 9 months, it's actually not that far off. The comparison was more versus Q1 2023, and Q1 2023 was notably high, slightly above 10%, which was not the run rate afterwards. Now, having said that as a starting point, it's true that when we look at Q1, we've seen different kind of building blocks within the margin and the bottom line of TPS. First, in terms of gross margin and with the revenues of EUR 275 million, in terms of gross margin of each service or each subproject, we saw an increase with about a 50 basis point upside in gross margin from last year to this year.
So kind of this positive momentum. What I alluded to in my prepared remark is indeed we've continued to invest in R&D, in strategic initiatives, and in more selling and tendering. R&D, you see that on a global scale. Arnaud has mentioned it. When we are working on carbon capture, when we are working on ethylene decarbonization for electrification from CO2 to ethylene, this is captured in more R&D. And we are hopeful that this will contribute to more techno, more product and services in the future, and potentially also projects alongside just as we would for Net Zero Teesside. Beyond that, it's strategic initiatives. The work we do for Reju, building the demo plant, which is progressing quite well, the start of the integration team on Rely, trying to develop a balance of plant view and trying to optimize the total and levelized cost of hydrogen.
These initiatives, R&D or a bit more general than R&D, are incurred. They are really investment for the future, and they're captured notably within TPS and the indirect cost that we reported. Final contributor, really, to this building block for the quarter, selling and tendering. Without a major furnace proprietary equipment award in the quarter, we achieved close to EUR 620 million of order intake in Q1 2024, 1.3 book-to-bill. This order intake requires selling, requires some tendering activity, and you don't have yet, as you would expect, the contribution from revenues and gross margin from this project. So as you've had a bit of this continued strong momentum and very supportive activity, this has generated a bit more selling and tendering versus last year. So very consistent, basically, with the flow.
So overall, what we would say is the momentum from TPS remains very strong, very diversified from sustainable chemistry, from decarbonization studies, from project management consultancy, from loading system or loading arms, whether it's LNG with a new electrified LNG loading system which was just released. All of that, strong tailwinds. The gross margin is going in the right direction. So for us, this is the first major point of focus. And as we will have this streamlined, then we will have TPS overall on the trajectory of the medium-term framework, which is to reach a double-digit EBIT when this kind of hits more of a plateau phase.
Thank you, Bruno. Just clearly, Victoria, as expressed by Bruno, we are clearly put together with the team, putting Technip Energies on the trajectory 2024 to exit the year and be in 2025 at the point that we've communicated when we provided the medium-term framework, so double-digit EBIT margin for TPS in 2025.
Thanks very much. Really interesting color. Thank you.
The next question is from Guillaume Delaby, Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Yes. Good morning. So two questions, two and a half questions, to be honest. Just, Arnaud, can you confirm that Net Zero Teesside, the EUR 1 billion+ , it is the Technip Energies stake or the full contract for all the partners?
No, it's only Technip Energies share.
Okay. So if we add that plus Ruwais plus Marsa plus order intake in Q1, basically, it probably means that you should feel quite comfortable today in reaching not your guidance, but the implicit number which came out from the Q4 call back in March of EUR 6.5 billion total order intake for 2024. So this is my first question, logically.
Yes, Guillaume. So yeah, as we stand today, and even though, I mean, it's still the end of Q1 here, but all the bidding blocks are in place to deliver a full-year order intake 2024 that will exceed book-to-bill at one. So we should be above one for the book-to-bill with a Q1 that was, as expressed by Bruno, very much towards TPS, showing us some tailwind and strong momentum. I mean, the big project delivery orders will start making their way into our backlog in Q2. And then Q3, let's see. And then Q4 probably should be quite strong as well when we look at the opportunity set. So all bidding blocks in place and quite confident to reach what will be a, I would say, very positive order intake in 2024 at or well above one book-to-bill.
Okay. A quick question for Bruno, if I may. Minority interest, so there are now back to EUR 5 million per quarter. Should we assume that Q1 is a good proxy for the next quarters in terms of minority interest? And can you maybe remind us very quickly why it went so high last year and why it is declining now?
Sure. Good afternoon, Guillaume. So as I called in previous quarters' call, 2023 levels for minority interest was higher versus the expected run rate. One of the notable, let's say, more impactful contributors in 2023 was Arctic LNG 2, which is decreasing. So this year, we will have that. We will have Rely also contributing partly. But yes, to have minority interest above those levels that you've seen in Q1 is something that you can use as a proxy if you want to model the full year.
Okay. Very clear. Thank you. Happy to see you tomorrow.
Likewise.
Thank you.
Congratulations for changing your name from SocGen to Bernstein. Congratulations for that.
Thank you, Bruno.
The next question is from Guilherme Levy with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hi. Hello, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two, please. The first one on working capital. You said that the recent trend shouldn't be reflective of the dynamics over the coming quarters. I was just wondering, over the coming quarters, in your expectations, how much of the normalisation should come from new awards, and how much of that should come from existing projects? Just for us to have an idea of what the working capital dynamics could look like in case we have any sort of delays in terms of new awards that don't really depend on you. And then the second question, if you can say a few words on Coral FLNG 2, how is that project progressing with the client, and how is the engagement currently? Thank you.
Sure. Thanks, Guil. I'll take the first one and revert back to Arnaud for the second. So in terms of working capital and the dynamics, it is, as you know as well, very dynamic. Every week, every day, we can have invoices. And one invoice can be, depending on the project, EUR 200 million. So with this in mind, day by day, a working capital can have a EUR 200 million swing. And if you have the cutoff on one day or the next, this can be quite impactful.
This is why also, quarter after quarter, we're providing the visibility of cash flow from operations ex working capital because we think this is the better way to look at the trend, the cash flow generation, and the fact that being asset light and being able to execute, we have EBIT to free cash flow generation above 100% due to the tailwind currently of interest rates. Let's hope that it stays for as long as possible. Now, in terms of dynamics and the, let's say, working capital trends, as I mentioned, over the last couple of quarters, we didn't have major new inbound. Hence, in those scenarios, you have a bit more impact from the later-stage projects. We tend to be an unwind of working capital.
On the contrary, when you have new awards, they tend to overcontribute, or they tend to, let's say, be accretive to our working capital position. So as we look towards the remainder of the year, as the milestones of the early payments on the new awards will come, they will replenish somewhat the working capital position. So there should be a plus with the tailend projects keep having a bit of an unwind. So I think that would be the overall kind of major trend. So the new awards will help to sustain this capital structure. From one day to the next, from one month to the next, one quarter to the next, you can have a bit of a swing from EUR 100 million, EUR 200 million, a couple of hundred million. Doesn't change anything, really, on how we would monitor our balance sheet and project that.
Now that we know we've been selected for inbound, we know that these projects are progressing towards FID. And Marsa, for instance, being one of them where the FID was taken in April. So this gives us comfort in our ability to replenish this working capital. So working capital, in terms of overall structure, should not see a negative evolution in the coming quarters or years. We see sustainable basis to keep this structure. Yes, you can have some noise. Hence, for us, the focus on cash flow generation ex working capital because overall, through the cycle of projects, working capital should have a neutral impact. And with that, I'll transfer to Arnaud for.
Yeah, Guy, thanks for your question on Coral Floating LNG. And so a little bit like I will continue from Guillaume's question and my response to Guillaume a bit earlier. We do benefit from a very rich and qualitative pipeline of opportunities for Technip Energies in 2024, and I would say 2025 as well. And all that, I mean, it's quite remarkable because it's also in the context of, I remind you, beginning of the year, moratorium on LNG in the U.S., and therefore having to do without or with less opportunities in LNG in the U.S. Despite all that, and Coral Floating LNG is part of the qualitative pipeline of opportunities.
And even though we are not guiding as such on order intake, we sit here today, we are talking to you guys, and we do feel confident based on the building blocks that are here that we will have a very strong year in terms of order intake this year and probably 2025 as well. So Coral Floating LNG is part of this rich pipeline. It is part of the projects that are the right ones in terms of quality and being compatible with our selectivity principles. We continue to work. We have the teams engaged, and we are doing early works on the project. The timing of the FID, we don't control. But I can tell you that the team is mobilized, and we are progressing the work under, I would say, the leadership of Eni.
We're progressing along quite nicely, preparing for what should be a project in the future. No change. We continue to feel good about the project. The date of the FID is a question for Eni. But in terms of what we see and the dynamic on the team and the orders being placed for equipment and the rest and engineering progressing, everything is on track.
Perfect. Thank you so much.
The next question is from Jean-Luc Romain at CIC Market Solutions. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon. Two questions, if possible. One about LNG. If QatarEnergy were willing to refurbish its existing energy capacity to reduce carbon well, to reduce CO2 emissions, what could be the implication of Technip? First question. The second is about the recent EPA measures in the U.S. I think last week, they gave figures about possibility or obligation for existing coal and gas electric plants either to put in place CCS by 2032 or to close by the end of the next decade. How big an opportunity do you believe it could be for you?
Thank you, Jean-Luc. So I'll take your question in order. LNG in Qatar, at the moment, as you know, on NFE and NFS, we are deploying carbon capture at large scale on both those two projects. And QatarEnergy have elected to invest into capture and sequestration for CO2 pre-combustion. The turbines to liquefy to compress the gas and liquefy the gas I'm sorry, continue to be powered by gas. So we will continue to burn gas to liquefy the gas itself. And that's the second source of emission that is not addressed fully. Let's see what the direction what will be the direction QatarEnergy will be taking in the future. I'm sure that if they were to contemplate, I would say, some modernization of their existing infrastructure to go towards combining carbon capture everywhere with some electrification, why not?
We would be involved eventually, naturally, because we've been acting in Qatar pretty much since day one on the development of the LNG infrastructure. So I think that would be a natural fit. This is not on the table for now. It is on the table in other countries in the Middle East. And we have advanced conversations and FEEDs ongoing in order to achieve exactly what you're describing, not currently in Qatar. But this doesn't mean that it will not happen in the future. For now, the priority is on delivering NFE, NFS, and I'm sure also on preparing NFW while absolutely being committed on those three projects to carbon capture at very large scale. As you remember, it's 25%-30% emission reduction when compared to plants that don't carry the carbon capture that is deployed otherwise.
In terms of the latest announcements, well, that demonstrates for me the pertinence of our positioning at Technip Energies on carbon capture in particular. In terms of energy transition being a real thing, our commitment is to deliver and to find solutions for I mean, low-carbon solutions for our clients. But we clearly see that there are two streams, SAF being one and carbon capture being another one, where clearly, things are, yeah, still challenged, but I would say less challenged than in other energy transition domains, if I may say, for industrialization and finding the right price point for the projects to fly. So our commitment to carbon capture has been since day one. I mean, since the creation of the company, we are now clearly on the map.
And I view the EPA announcement as being, of course, a large opportunity set because carbon capture, when applied to coal-fired plants or power generation from gas, you're talking about very large quantities of CO2 all the time, and for which the solutions that we have through our Canopy offering is well suited. So clearly, it's an opportunity, a very nice opportunity set for Technip Energies. I will tell you that we have already discussions ongoing with some power gen companies in the U.S. in order to decarbonize the gas to I mean, gas- to- power plants. I think I view the announcement as just, one, the confirmation of the decision that we have taken, the confirmation of the pertinence of our investment, and a very good source of opportunity for the future.
Also, it will be the source of a further geographical, I would say, diversification and away from LNG as well. It ticks a lot of good boxes for us.
Thank you very much.
The next question is from Kate O'Sullivan with Citi. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple left. Firstly, on Alcohol-to-Jet following the inauguration of the plant in the U.S., what sort of demand are you seeing for your Hummingbird technology? And are you seeing varying demand by region? I'm wondering, do European restrictions preventing the use of crop-based ethanol and SAF limit the opportunity set here in favor of HEFA? And just to follow up on TPS, strong TPS order intake this quarter, partly led by PMC. Could you be any more specific on which projects the increase in PMC relates to? Thank you very much.
Thank you, Kate. So the SAF pathways, there are multiple SAF pathways. And as you know full well, the one that has taken I mean, that has taken off first is the HEFA route, basically the Neste route, with 1.5 billion liters under production in Singapore and another 1.5 to come in 2026 from their Rotterdam facility. But there will always be a limit to how far I mean, HEFA can go because we will be limited by the amount of feedstock that's available that can be dedicated to the production of sustainable aviation fuel. So another pathway is the alcohol-to-jet pathway. We do see a need in the U.S. that is very significant for this alcohol-to-jet pathway. We have in mind, as a minimum, 3 billion gallons per year needed in the U.S. There are various regulations and mandates around SAF, as you've identified very well.
What is valid for the EU or the U.S. might not be valid on the other side of the Atlantic or less valid. So clearly, we see the alcohol-to-jet pathway as being very pertinent in the U.S., also likely pertinent in the U.K., where we've seen a new U.K. mandate for sustainable aviation fuel with a request that 10% of all jet fuel in flights taking off from the U.K. to come from sustainable sources by 2030. So it's a massive commitment. And we are seeing ATJ, so alcohol-to-jet opportunities in the U.K. in the very near term. So I would say the main two markets for alcohol-to-jet fuel, first U.S., 2 U.K. And I think under some conditions, EU and the Far East.
But already, if we were to deliver the projects or convert the opportunity set into projects for U.S. and U.K., multiple I mean, a very large number of plants would be needed. And it would be plenty to, I would say, feed our commercial pipeline at Technip Energies. On TPS, I can see that Bruno is really wanting to answer that one, so.
Thank you, Arnaud. Good afternoon, Kate. So on TPS and more specifically PMC, very happy and satisfied about some of the trends. In PMC, which was a point of focus of growth that we outlined in the Capital Markets Day, our business, which was a relatively new business within Technip Energies, was really centered around a couple of very large PMC contracts, kind of elephant, if we can say, elephant for a PMC. What we've seen recently is diversification of much more projects, PMC contracts, of a relatively smaller size, average size, but let's say, with much more much more numerous versus the past, and with a diversification in kind of industry and geography, where it used to be very Middle East focus or at some point with a Malaysia focus.
Now, we've seen an increase or continued momentum within Middle East, but also Central Asia, Asia, and early signs of North America. So you see a bit of a diversification from a geographical perspective. And in Middle East, almost all countries within the Middle East are benefiting from this. Now, in terms of industry and space, also diversification, what was to be very upstream or downstream, we also see a shift to new themes around energy transition, fuel, decarbonization for early studies also, and infrastructure, which is totally new themes for Technip Energies. I think success by the team to really develop this practice within Technip Energies, it comes at the back, very synergetic with the project delivery business, when you can showcase your tools and system and how you can deliver multi-billion-dollar projects. You can assist clients to run and to do their projects.
Very strong tailwinds in PMC across industries now and across geographies, which is supportive of the growth for the future.
Thank you both very much.
So the last question is from Daniel Thomson, BNP Paribas Exane. Please go ahead.
Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for squeezing these last questions in. Just quickly, on the U.S. market, can you give us a sense of the proportion of low-carbon opportunities in your bid pipeline? I think low-carbon was around 40% of that bid pipeline that lie in the U.S. And do you see your clients waiting to get beyond the uncertainty of the U.S. election to proceed with investments, or is it more dependent on IRA clarifications and getting that legislation into regulation as one of your prominent clients behind the Baytown project noted on a call last week? And then secondly, just on petrochemical margins and ethylene margins, look, we're at a bit of a low point there.
I was wondering if you'd had any sort of changes to your outlook for projects over the next year or so, given where margins sit today and given it's pretty important for your ethylene furnaces and technology offering there? Thank you.
Thanks, Daniel. So about the U.S. market and the situation there. So I would say, and yeah, elections are coming, but they are as part of the IRA, and the money has started to flow. And there are things that I think will not be challenged regardless of the outcome of the elections in the U.S. For me, the three main areas where things will not be challenged when talking about low-carbon solutions in the U.S. and low-carbon projects in the U.S., solar will continue to boom, and you continue to see projects and investment into solar plants in the U.S. regardless, for me, regardless of the outcome of the U.S. elections. Blue hydrogen, for example, and ammonia in order to decarbonize industry and/or to export low-carbon ammonia, also for me, it isn't going to be challenged.
And the third one that will continue to be there regardless of the results of the elections is, for me, CCS and CCUS. So those three streams are where we are positioned today, and they will exist in they will continue to exist in 2025 and beyond. So looking at the pipeline of opportunities for low-carbon solutions for us at the moment, it's heavily dominated by, of course, pipeline, U.S., Europe, and Middle East. And I would say it's one-third, one-third, one-third. I mean, gas- to- power is wanting to decarbonize in the U.S. You are aware of the large projects around Baytown for blue hydrogen or low-carbon hydrogen. We have already quite a significant number of carbon capture projects ongoing in the U.S. with Exxon and others. So that's before tapping into the potential of power companies decarbonizing.
So yeah, it's about one-third between the US, Europe, and the Middle East, I would say. As for the petrochemicals margins, yeah, there's a bit of a slowing down in the demand at the moment. So a bit less new projects in the short term. That's why it's you've heard Bruno say that he was happy with the order intake Q1 for TPS, and so am I, because this is happening without large products being ordered, such as furnaces. That's a sign that there is a bit of a slowdown in the FIDs for petrochemicals. Now, we have significant enquiries for 2025 and beyond. So yeah, there's a temporary slowdown because of less demand, etc. But I think the long-term outlook for petrochemicals overall, when I probably our customers are not looking at the world 2024, but certainly more 2040 and 2045.
So in that context, the demand will continue to grow because the population will continue to grow. So yeah, there's a temporary situation that needs to be traveled. We are traveling it really well because TPS continues to grow despite not having large proprietary equipment orders. And like I said in my remarks, the fact that regulations and the rest are going more towards circularity and low-carbon solution, as exemplified by this project with LanzaTech for low-carbon ethylene, plays in our favor. There's need for decarbonizing the existing infrastructure. It's opening the door to brownfield projects for which we have solutions from electric furnace to the technology that we are sharing, we're deploying with LanzaTech. So it's a temporary solution, but we are still feeling good about what our competencies and the products will yield in 2025 and beyond.
We have very clear prospects for which I mean, which will translate into orders in 2025.
Okay. Thanks for the detail, Arnaud. And yeah, good to see the offsets coming through, as you mentioned, in the quarter.
Thank you.
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