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Earnings Call: Q1 2026

Apr 30, 2026

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Thank you for joining us today. Welcome to our Q1 analyst call here. As always, we will go through the presentation first. Then, we will be available for all the valued questions at the end. Let's skip the disclaimer and go directly to page five. Yeah, you should see the presentation. Let me briefly summarize our performance in the Q1 of 2026. We have made a very solid start into the new year. Group revenue increased by approximately 3% here on a year-on-year basis to approximately EUR 149 million, building on an already strong comparison base. At the same time, profitability developed significantly better than revenue. EBITDA rose by 18% to EUR 32 million. Our EBITDA margin expanded to markedly 21.7%.

This clearly reflects the success of our strategic focus on high-margin specialty ingredients. In particular, our ingredients once again proved to be the key growth driver here. Growth was predominantly volume-driven with strong demand across human nutrition, animal nutrition, and defense-related applications here. As a result of this strong operational performance, net income after taxes increased by more than 20%, underlining the scalability of our business model and our disciplined cost management. From a capital markets perspective, we further strengthened our equity story by increasing the free float to around 75%, improving liquidity and visibility of the stock. On the operational side, I am pleased to report that the scheduled overhaul of the carbide furnace is fully on track. Recommissioning is expected in early July as planned.

Against this backdrop, and despite the still volatile macroeconomic environment, we are confident in confirming our full-year outlook for 2026. We expected additional growth momentum, particularly in the second half of the year. Overall, Q1 has laid a strong foundation for another successful year here. Based on this strong first quarter performance, I would now like to turn the key strategic projects that will further drive our growth in the coming years. Let me start with the nitroguanidine expansion in Germany. Progress in the first quarter was fully in line with our ambitious targets. Construction and preparation activities continued as planned, and we remain on track to commission the additional capacity in the second half of 2026.

This expansion will allow us to meet the structurally growing demand from the defense sector and further strengthens our position as a reliable European supplier. Second, in parallel, we advanced our plans for our nitroguanidine production site in the U.S. During the first quarter, we continued to intensify the site selection process here. The site selection process is close to final, and the basic engineering for the plant has already been awarded to the engineering company and has also already started. This project is a key strategic step to build a strong transatlantic footprint, improve proximity to customers, and enhance supply security for our international partners. Thirdly, finally, let me briefly touch on our creatine investment program. Driven by sustained strong global demand, we continued to execute our EUR 120 million investment program exactly as planned here.

The construction of the new highly automated production facility and the expansion of the surrounding infrastructure progressed smoothly in the first quarter. The project is scheduled for gradual commissioning from the second half of 2027 and will secure long-term growth in our premium brands, Creapure and Creavitalis, and further reinforce our leadership position in high-quality specialty ingredients. Let me now briefly walk through the development of our operating segments, starting with the Basics & Intermediates here. Let's turn the presentation page as well. You should see now all the respective figures. In the Basics & Intermediates segment, revenue declined by 14% year on year to EUR 36.7 million, fully in line with our expectations and European chemical development.

This development was driven by both lower volumes and prices and price pressures, reflecting the continued weak market environment, particularly in agriculture, pharma, and steel-related end markets. Despite the lower revenue base, EBITDA improved a little bit to EUR 0.3 million, and the EBITDA margin increased to 0.8% year. This clearly demonstrates our disciplined approach to pricing and cost management as we deliberately refrain from unprofitable volumes while safeguarding the integrity of our integrated production tree. Operationally, the carbide furnace overhaul is progressing fully according to plan, and the segment supply capability remain fully secured through inventories and our second furnace. Overall, the segment performed exactly as anticipated and continues to provide a stable backbone within our group structure. Let's now go where we are already much more successful, to our Specialties segment here. This segment delivered another very strong quarter.

Revenue increased by 11% year-on-year to approximately EUR 105 million, with growth predominantly driven by higher volumes, while pricing contributed positively as well. The strong volume momentum was driven by our ingredients portfolio, in particular in human nutrition, animal nutrition, and defense-related applications, reflecting robust end market demand and our expanded capacity base. This favorable volume mix, combined with the continued shift towards high-value ingredients, translated into a 21% increase in EBITDA to approximately EUR 31.5 million. At the same time, the EBITDA margin improved further to closely 30% and underscoring the scalability and high operating leverage of our specialty ingredients business. Overall, specialty chemicals and its ingredients portfolio remain the core growth and earnings engine of our group here. Let me briefly complete the segment review by turning to Others & Holding. Let's turn the page as well.

In the Other & Holding segment, revenue came in slightly below the previous year, mainly reflecting lower passthrough revenues, in particular reduced grid fee recharges to our customers. Accordingly, EBITDA declined modestly to EUR 0.2 million, largely in line with the revenue development overall. This segment behaved as expected and does not alter the underlying earnings momentum of the group, which continues to be clearly driven by our specialty chemicals and ingredients business. That was all for the detailed view on the segment development. Let's now take a look at the overall group figures and hand over to my highly valued colleague, Andreas Lösler.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Okay. Also good morning from my side, and thank you, Andreas, for the insights in our segment development in Q1 2026. As always, I'll start my analysis with looking at our P&L. Our group sales amounted to almost EUR 149 million within the first three months in 2026, an increase of EUR 4 million compared to last year. Compared to our guidance, we are exactly on the anticipated level, not only for the group, but also if we look at the segment standalone. The different developments within our segments have been discussed already by my colleague, Andreas. On a regional basis, the major sales increase could be achieved in the U.S. once again and can be allocated to the specialty chemicals segment. Our EBITDA grew even more. After three months in 2026, our EBITDA amounted to 32.3 million EUR.

This represents an increase of almost EUR 5 million or 18% compared to Q1 last year. As already discussed, the major portion of this increase came from our high-value products sold within segment Specialty Chemicals. This development is also completely in line with our expectations and our guidance. On the cost side, we have to report increased personnel expenses based on increased union tariffs and slightly increased number of employees for our growth projects. Our operating costs increased mainly resulting from higher maintenance costs in conjunction with our carbide furnace renovation and higher waste disposal cost resulting from our increased business volume. Our Q1 costs were not yet affected by the possible cost increases resulting from the conflict in Iran. As mentioned already by my colleague, our sales and EBITDA development led to a further increase in our EBITDA margin.

In that reporting period, the EBITDA margin reached 21.7%, significantly higher than the 18.9% achieved in the corresponding prior year period. The improvement in the group's overall profitability was primarily driven by the continued shift in the revenue mix towards the specialty chemical segment, which comprises high-value specialty chemical ingredients. Our depreciations increased slightly and so did our financial result. The latter was mainly impacted by non-cash interests for non-current provisions. All put together, we could also increase our net result up to EUR 18 million. This represents a significant increase of more than EUR 3 million or 23% compared with the prior year Q1. The same applies to our earnings per share. That was the big picture of our P&L. Let's move on to the balance sheet and cash flow figures.

Our balance sheet and cash flows are still very healthy and developed as expected. Our balance sheet total increased by EUR 37 million since our last reporting date. The assets are mainly influenced by our growth projects. Accordingly, non-current assets showed with EUR 22 million, the highest portion of this increased balance sheet total. Major CapEx spending is related to our nitroguanidine expansion. We also started with first payments for our creatine investment. Our inventory level increased slightly. Reduced carbide stock levels were overcompensated by increased stock levels for our multipurpose business in preparation for production campaigns. Our equity increased by EUR 18 million. Our equity ratio could be improved to 42.2%. That increase was supported by our very strong net result and increased interest rates for our pension valuation.

Additional payments from customers for our nitroguanidine investment further increased our contract liabilities, which amounted to EUR 93 million by the end of March 2026. Our current liabilities increased as a result of our increased business volume in Q1 compared to Q4 of last year. As of our reporting date by the end of March 2026, we can again report a positive net cash position of almost EUR 30 million. Our operating cash flow was EUR 12 million lower than in Q1 last year. While we improved our net working capital with positive impact on our operating cash flow, the main reason for the decline in our operating cash flow was attributable to reduced customer grants for our CapEx program. Such payments amounted to EUR 6 million in Q1 ten 2026, but almost EUR 40 million in the comparative period of last year.

Investing cash flow was highly above prior year and clearly shows the progress in our current CapEx programs, especially for the nitroguanidine expansion . Despite this highly increased CapEx activities, we can still report a positive free cash flow. Our financing cash flow shows regular loan repayments. Last year, Q1 was affected by our share buyback program. As you can see, AlzChem is in a very healthy cash position and ready for future growth. Future is a good keyword. Let's now discuss our outlook for financial year 2026. As already mentioned by my colleague, we can confirm our guidance as set out at the beginning of the year and see further growth for 2026. Sales are expected to grow to approximately EUR 600 million, and EBITDA is expected to grow to approximately EUR 126 million.

This represents a sales increase of approximately 7%, while EBITDA is expected to grow by approximately 8%. The planned sales growth shall continue to be achieved organically. The fundamental growth drivers are expected to be volume effects within segment Specialty Chemicals. As already outlined, we do expect that volume growth in the area of human nutrition and defense, the latter expected in the second half of the year. For the Basics & Intermediates segment, we expect overall sales to be at the previous year level. We are currently experiencing increases on raw material prices as a result of the conflict in Ruac. Our outlook is based on the assumption that such increases can be passed on to our customers and that this conflict will not last for very long period. Our EBITDA increase for 2026 is mainly driven by the development in our segment Specialty Chemicals.

This also applies to our EBITDA margin. The recently announced Industriestrompreis in Germany has not been included in our guidance, as we are currently analyzing the new regulations and its accounting treatment. We do not expect a huge impact out of this regulation. You can see, we have interesting times ahead of us. At this point, we would like to thank you for your appreciated attention and are now at your disposal for possible questions.

Operator

Yes, thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, we are now opening the Q&A session. If you would like to ask your questions in person via audio line, please click on the Raise Hand button. If you are dialing in by phone, please press star key nine to raise your hand and star key six to unmute yourself. Additionally, you are also welcome to place your questions in our chat. We already received two risen hands, one by Mr. Christian Faitz. You may unmute yourself now.

Christian Faitz
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, thanks and good morning. Congrats on the results. Couple of questions, please. First of all, Andreas, you mentioned the possible cost increases on the back of the Middle East situation. Can you elucidate this a bit and perhaps also put some numbers on it? I guess your remarks mostly concern raw mats as well as energy. Yes, I'm aware, you try to pass this on via pricing, but just on the cost side, some comments would be helpful. Second of all, how is the retrofitting of the calcium carbide oven going? Everything according to plan and schedule? Should we count on a ramp per July? That's it from my side for now. Thanks.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Let me start. That's Andreas speaking. Let me start on the carbide oven. Yes, the startup of the carbide oven is planned on July. All things are in the right order and we think that there should be no problem to open the carbide kiln there. For the cost increases of the Middle East, Andreas, I don't know if you can elaborate a little bit on it.

Christian Faitz
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

From my point of view, we will see higher transportation costs, and some raw material increases, but we try t o hand that over to the customers. If you have some more details, please

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

That's completely right. As we mentioned, we did not see an impact in Q1 because it was too late for Q1, let's say. On some raw materials we see slight increases, but we are managing on passing that through to our customers. Your question was also related to the energy prices, and this was the energy prices in Germany were not so much affected. This is not as surprising as someone might assume, because we have a very good renewable energy mix at the moment. We have wind, we have sun, which means that the portion of the energy or renewable energy production in the energy pricing is very high at the moment. The energy prices did not increase that much as someone might expect.

Christian Faitz
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Can I, as a quick follow-up, in terms of your, let's say, non-renewable positions in energy, how is your hedging there?

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Yeah, good question. We have a very smart energy team who informed us on a daily basis about all the actions going on in the Iran conflict. We managed to secure a certain portion of energy in advance and during the conflict whenever good prices for the next quarters were available. At the moment, I would assume, looking at Andreas, I think it's 25%-30%, something like this is hedged at very least price for the next-

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

For direct electricity, yes.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Yes.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

To be honest, we hedged a lot of carbide—

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Yes

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

—last year in stock because we overproduced for the standstill, last year, very much carbide with lower energy prices, and that helps a lot, to bridge, that year.

Christian Faitz
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Great. Thanks very much and good luck handling all the supply-demand challenges in this current geopolitical environment.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much, Mr. Faitz, for your questions. We have another risen hand by Mr. Hesse. You may unmute yourself now.

Constantin Hesse
Analyst, Jefferies

Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my questions. I'd just like to start with 1. Could we potentially see any positive surprises in the Basics & Intermediates segment, particularly due to supply chain disruptions in Asia on fertilizers? Could we potentially see more demand for your fertilizer solutions due to potentially the lack of imports? Is there anything that could potentially surprise us there? That's my first question.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Well, Constantin, that's a really good question, I tell you. We cross our fingers to receive that hopeful surprise or hopefully surprise, to be honest, within short notice in the fertilizer business, I don't see that really within short notice. Within longer time period could be a positive development there, farmers decided not to fertilize as much as the last year. From that point of view, I don't really see higher growth possibilities for that year.

Constantin Hesse
Analyst, Jefferies

Fair enough.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Yeah

Constantin Hesse
Analyst, Jefferies

T he last two questions are a bit more short to medium term. One of them, could you potentially comment on. I mean, this U.S. facility, I think we're all kind of obviously in anticipation of it, so hopefully we'll see the announcement soon. Can I ask, beyond nitroguanidine, is there anything else that you see an opportunity for in the U.S. to expand capacity potentially?

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

We think about that, we have chosen the within the site selection process, a site where is a possibility to develop more. To be honest, we have three big projects running. We have an investment program running for more than EUR 400 million. From that point of view, we will do that step by step. We will do first the German NQ plant. Second, in parallel then the NQ plant in the U.S., and thirdly, the creatine plant. That will really fuel our growth a lot, and we will concentrate more, let's say, on that three big projects actually.

Constantin Hesse
Analyst, Jefferies

That's great. Thank you. Then last question, just out of curiosity, I'm just keen to just quickly get a clearer picture again on Creavitalis, the opportunities there. I know that you currently are in contract with Ehrmann, but, you know, we discussed this also in other instances where, you know, you are talking to all the large consumer good companies, but maybe you can just give us a bit of a bit more detail or a bit more color on timing. How should we think about that? When does the contract with Ehrmann end? When could there be potential further opportunity to see larger players wanting to work with you, with Creavitalis? Thanks.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Hopefully the contract with Ehrmann does not end at any day. I think that should be the position. Actually we have several discussions with many customers, with many additional customers out of that branch. To be honest, we have to develop the use case with them. It's not so easy to stabilize creatine within, let's say, dairy products. On the one hand, and on the other hand, we have to develop capacities for creatine that we can fuel the growth. From that point of view, we should be ready next year really for the next growth step, and we try to develop all the customers when we have additional capacity available.

We think that that additional capacity is really needed and could be fueled and filled up very quick then.

Constantin Hesse
Analyst, Jefferies

Just to understand, the contract with Ehrmann is not something that hinders you from doing business with other players? I had initially understood that the Ehrmann contract was an exclusive contract.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

It does not hinder us to sell additional creatine capacities to additional customers. For some countries, they have exclusivity, but that exclusivity is very short. I think when the additional capacities of creatine are available, then it should be no problem to sell the product in dairy use cases as well.

Constantin Hesse
Analyst, Jefferies

Understood. Thank you so much.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you so much, Mr. Hesse, for your questions. We have another risen hand by Mr. Speck. You may unmute yourself right now.

Patrick Speck
Analyst, Montega AG

Yes. Good morning, gentlemen, and all. From my side also, congrats on the very solid results in the Q1. My first question is, again, on your fertilizer business because I was wondering too why this did not have or not yet an impact on your sales in the Perlka. Could you tell us maybe do you offer 100% substitute with Perlka compared to urea? Are there any structural factors maybe that might make it harder for farmers to just switch to your product?

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Yeah. It's a very technically question, but let me answer that in the following way. We have a real good fertilizer, nitrogen fertilizer with Perlka with some additional side effects, that additional side effects, you know, are just under discussion with the EU at the ECHA process , because we have these positive side effects of the nitrogen fertilizer here. Which does not, which it does not receive from the competitive fertilizers. The competitive fertilizers do have only nitrogen or some additional, yeah, phosphor or calcium on it, but not the side effects that we have.

What you have to take into calculation is additionally that very much of nitrogen fertilizer comes out of Russia and the eastern countries on very low prices. From that point of view, many, many farmers decided. The third point is that the farmers' products are on the lowest prices ever, I tell you. Corn, wheat, and potatoes are so cheap actually that farmers does not use more fertilizer within a short notice. I think that could be a chance for the future for the next season, because in that season fertilizer has been already distributed to farmers. I think farmers decide really to stop fertilizing the last portion they can spread out. Yeah.

That's the reason why there is not that big growth story behind for us, actually.

Patrick Speck
Analyst, Montega AG

Very interesting. Thanks. My second question is, you're planning for price increases, you said. Could you quantify that a bit and maybe also quantify the cost burden we saw in the first quarter due to your oven maintenance?

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Yeah. In principle, we managed it. You see that the we have had some price increases in the specialty chemicals surrounding and that overcompensated already the cost increases. We think that we will receive low double-digit million cost increases, and we are prepared to hand over that to our customers. Price increases are already started and we are in good negotiation phases so that we stick to our outlook here.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

The second question to your to the cost of the calcium carbide overhaul. In our last call, in our communication, we announced that we estimate the cost to be approximately EUR 10 million over the year. If you want to calculate, half of it will be recognized in the first half of the year, and the other half will be spread over the whole year because it has something to do with energy price or energy costs regulations. Here we are clearly, as Andreas mentioned in the first question, I guess, completely in line with our expectations.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

I will take the chance to take one question which was handed in written here. On the German nitroguanidine expansion, you indicate commissioning in half-year two 2026 with first deliveries from the new plant in half-year two. Commissioning in half-year two 2026 and first deliveries from the new plant in half-year two 2027. That's misunderstood. Sorry for that. We will start up the plant in the half year 2026, and we will start delivery in 2026 as well. The question was can you walk us through the bridge in between, specifically how do you think about utilization rate in half 1 2027? How much NQ inventory you can practically hold, and at what point do you expect a new line to reach full utilization?

We will ramp up the production plant that year. We will produce first quantities, and we try not to build up huge stock level. We try to sell all the material coming out of the plant directly to the customers. We think that the full utilization rate could be by the end of next year, beginning of the year to come in 2028. That's the reason why we really need the next capacity increase with the U.S., with the U.S. production plant. Next question was on NQ pricing. Are the long-term offtake contracts indexed to raw material and energy imports, or are they fixed price for the contract duration? Here we can disclose that in principle, we always try to increase index prices.

We receive that, and we receive that in the NQ contracts as well. Third questions, question on creatine. Quarter one segment, performance was driven by a combination of volume and price effects, with specialty chemicals pricing up 8.4% overall. Can you break out what you are seeing specifically on Creapure pricing, both the premium versus Chinese prices today and how that spread has evolved over the last 12 months? Niklas , in principle, we don't disclose information on the product level, but, I can tell you that, we see many Chinese raw materials, not only limited to Creapure, where the Chinese material un dercuts us.

At the end of the day, our customer like the high quality, like our services and, like the reliability of our product. So if you take two products on the table, one from Germany and one from China, and the customers know where the product comes from, most of the Western customers, and I tell you, the Eastern customers as well, will take the Western quality and reliability. From that point of view, we see a good price development and stable prices within creatine. For sure, creatine is available on lower prices than for us, but please think about that the one year's doses for creatine and for everybody is below EUR 100 a year.

From that point of view, it doesn't matter if you pay EUR 20 or EUR 30 more or less, for the one year's doses, receiving the high quality out of our production. Yeah. That's understood. The outlook slide 16 states that first NQ deliveries will be in half year 2027. I'm very sorry if that is first quantities. Yeah. That's a mistake.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

That's right.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

We have to correct that, and we will do that immediately after the call. Thank you for that hint.

Operator

Thank you so much, Mr. Luz, for your questions. We have one last question in hand by Mr. Hasler. You may unmute yourself now.

Peter Thilo Hasler
Analyst, Sphene Capital

Yes. Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to ask my two questions. I'm impressed by your coolness with regard to the electricity prices which everybody's complaining about. You explained that by the high renewable energy ratio in Germany. Could a lower renewable energy ratio in other countries negatively impact the pricing power of your competitors there? This would be my first question. The second one is maybe a little bit nerdy one. You mentioned that you are evaluating the accounting treatment for the Industriestrompreis. Which possibilities are there for you, and how could this have an impact on AlzChem?

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Okay. Let's take your first question, Thilo, on the competitor side. As you know, most of our competitors are sitting in China, and China is a completely different energy pricing than we have, completely lower energy prices than we have at the moment. Maybe China may be affected by a higher oil prices, but we don't know the exact energy prices in China. We do not think that there will be a big cost burden for our Chinese competitors out of this. I don't know the part of the renewable energy mix in China for their energy supply.

Peter Thilo Hasler
Analyst, Sphene Capital

Mm-hmm.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

The second question.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Second was the part of the Industriestrompreis.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Yes.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

That's a very interesting task, but I tell you.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Nice topic.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Yeah. It's a nice topic. We are talking about a few millions. A very low, single-digit million position for us. We calculated that between EUR 2 million and EUR 3 million for us. You can ask for that subsidy up to the mid of 2027, and you could receive that by the end of 2027 or autumn 2027. That's not what we think is an immediate effect.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Right.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

It's more or less a midterm effect and positive thing.

Andreas Lösler
CFO, AlzChem Group

Right. The accounting treatment today needs to be analyzed, whether it should be recognized in 2026 or in 2027 or even later if you fulfill all the complicated requirement. That's what we mean that we are working on the accounting treatment.

Peter Thilo Hasler
Analyst, Sphene Capital

Okay. Understand. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you very much, Mr. Hasler. We have not received any further questions so far. Ladies and gentlemen, if there are any more questions, please raise your hand or put them into our chat box. I guess if there are no further questions, we will come to the end of today's earnings call. Thank you very much for your interest in AlzChem Group AG. A big thank you also to you, Mr. Niedermaier and Mr. Hasler for your presentation and the time you took to answer all the questions. If you should have any further questions at a later time, please feel free to contact investor relations. I wish you all a successful day, and I'm handing over once more to you, Mr. Niedermaier, for your closing remarks.

Andreas Niedermaier
CEO, AlzChem Group

Yeah. Thank you all for your questions. We can now offer you the opportunity to visit us again, as you can see, here virtually at the annual general meeting next week, May 5th, or virtually in person, at the conferences as shown above. Otherwise, we will be back with our half year and second quarter statement 2026 on July 30th. Stay safe and sound. Stay in our good graces, and goodbye. Thank you

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