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Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Nov 6, 2019

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I would like to welcome you all to our telephone conference for the Q3 results. With us today is Oliver Tsipse, Chairman of the Board of Management and Nicolas Peter, our CFO. First, Oliver Tsipse will give you an update on the business performance during the Q3. Nicolas Peter will then take you through our financial results.

Afterwards, we will have time for our Q and A session. Please, Oliver, go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. In recent years, much has been written about how car manufacturers need to change their business model. But what isn't talked about enough is the fact that the real transformation is taking place in the vehicle itself. And that is where the real challenge lies. The car is a highly complex product.

Therefore, our mission at the BMW Group is to make it fit for the future for our growing customer base worldwide. And this is where we can make full use of our strength. On the one hand, our business environment remains volatile, dominated by political changes in direction and emotional discussions. On the other hand, there are a number of very stable trends that support our business model. Especially in this environment, we ask ourselves and we operate with a clear focus, What are our capabilities?

How can we make the most of them to benefit the business? What are the really important decisions when it comes to mobility? And what do our customers want and what do they really need? These factors form the basis for our strategic actions. We do not see our strategy as a one off, or encompassing task, but rather as an ongoing process that we need to constantly fine tune and adapt, swift, decisive and agile.

Our strategic work is based on a clear competence profile of the BMW Group. Our core expertise like in premium vehicles optimized for the desires of our target group and their connectivity needs. Our further development of the vehicle represents a viable, profitable business model now and in the future. Everything we do starts with the customer. This is key to staying ahead of tough competition in the long run and is equally important if you want to succeed in the shift towards climate neutrality, call for politics and society.

It is also what we want to achieve. As a company, we are an integral part of society that has been and always will be a large part of who we are. The same applies to sustainable mobility as to all our products, technologies and innovations. The solution that wins through the end will be the one accepted by customers. Today, we sell our premium vehicles in around 160 countries.

This already makes it clear how diverse our customers' needs are. This applies to customers as individuals with their specific everyday mobility needs. It applies more than ever on a regional level in the main regions in the world, Europe, Asia and the Americas. And it is also increasingly true at a local level where needs differ from one city to the next. No less diverse are the legal and technical regulations we face worldwide.

And as a global company, the BMW Group has already established its own production and value creation processes in the major regions worldwide. We will now focus we will now be focusing even more on this growing differentiation in China, the U. S. And Europe. We are purposely seeking dialogue with local experts to discuss relevant regional requirements and needs.

We will be increasing our efforts here substantially. The insights we will gain will be integrated directly into our strategic approach. And this will enable us to offer tailored products, drivetrains, equipment options and services in these regions

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in the future.

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At the same time, we are gaining a better understanding of our customers and improving our customer centric approach. One example of this is China, where our customers are significantly younger. Vehicle connectivity is an important purchasing consideration for them. Continued strong growth and overall prosperity is also affecting the market for freemium vehicles. I've already met with Premier LiKechn twice since taking over as CEO.

And I had the impression the BMW Group is highly relevant in China. People listen to our opinion and regard us as a sought after partner. And soon, I will also travel to the United States of America. Individual Mobility will remain a stable long term business prospect in all regions of the world. The premium segment is forecast to grow at a higher rate than the total market.

Based on this, we aim to make the most of the opportunities in the growing global car market. And our goal is to outperform the premium segment. In the Q3 of 2019, the BMW Group reported growth in its core markets in all major regions. In Asia and China, despite the market changeover for the BMW 3 series long wheelbase, in the Americas and the United States, despite a stagnant market and in Europe, despite uncertainty over Brexit and in our domestic market, Germany. As a result, our Q3 deliveries rose year on year to over 610,000 vehicles, an increase of 3.6%.

In other words, we are bucking the trend. We also achieved a new all time high in sales in both the Q3 and the first time months for BMW and Rolls Royce. The brand MINI also posted growth. Moreover, BMW Motorrad is also heading for its 9th consecutive record year. In the Q3, we reported growth of almost 10%.

At the Eichmann yesterday, we presented 3 new production models for 2020. Our financial figures for the Q3 were as follows: group earnings before tax

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over €2,200,000,000

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an increase of 23.4% over the same period of last year net profit over €1,000,000,000 up 11.5 percent and the EBIT margin in the Automotive segment was 6.6%. Despite challenging conditions, we aim to achieve our target rate of 8% to 10% in the long term. That remains our underlying goal. It is also what the capital markets expect and we are working systematically on this. In light of the positive development in the Q3, we are able to confirm our guidance for the financial year 2019.

Ladies and gentlemen, the biggest Model Offences in BMW Group's history continues as well as attractive models that also includes different drive technologies and the latest standards in connectivity. We see this as an effective contribution towards limiting climate change and reducing emissions. If we turn to our customers, they look first and foremost for the vehicle segment that best suits their lifestyle and mobility needs. And only then, they think about the best drivetrain that would suit their needs fully electric or plug in hybrid or an efficient combustion engine. Above all, our customers always expect a true BMW regardless of the drivetrain.

We're able to offer customers the model they want. For example, the BMW 5 Series Sedan or the X3 with different drive technologies. That is what we call the power of choice. For this very purpose, we are designing the next generation of our vehicle platforms from 2021 on to be flexible for rear and front wheel drive. We can manufacture various drives on one architecture and integrate them into our plant structures.

But we are also able of integrating vehicles customized for e mobility such as the iNEXT at Blasingofring starting from 2021. For the customer, there is no noticeable difference regarding the vehicle architecture on which the car has been built. We expect e mobility to make significant advances from 2021 on. Once the European Union's new CO2 standards take effect. We remain strongly committed to meet regulatory requirements in the European Union and worldwide.

And we have always complied with legislation and have been well prepared in advance to implement any necessary changes. For example, with WLTV and RDE 1. This now also applies to RDE2 and for example, the NCAP crash test. RDE2 means further tightening of the standards for nitrogen oxide emissions. This will apply to new vehicle types from 2020 and all new vehicles registration from 2021.

The European NCAP crash test requires all vehicle classes to have a whole series of standard assistance systems from 2022 on. These requirements will increase further in 2024. Our new fully electric vehicles will be ready for launch right on time for the EU's new CO2 standards. The BMW iX3 from 2020, the BMW i4 from 2021 and our new technology flagship, the iNEXT also from 2021. The biggest market for the iX3 will be China.

That is why we will produce it there and export it to the rest of the world. As you can see, we are certainly benefiting from our experience with electromobility. Our BMW I3 has been available since 2013. It is not just an e mobility pioneer. Still today, it remains a true game changer and continues to be a benchmark for a sustainable approach.

Our customers appreciate this and i3 sales are climbing from year to year. We've already sold more than 160,000 i3s altogether. In the year to the end of September, sales were up by about a 5th compared to the same period of 2018. In October, it gained 3.4% year on year. And we continue to offer updates that make it even more attractive.

Since 2016, the BMW Group has been market leader in electromobility in Germany. Currently, our market share of electrified vehicles is 21% in our home market. The first fully electric Mini will also be launched before the end of the year. This is an important step for a brand that has always been at the home in the urban environment. Customers have been waiting for it and the number of registered prospective customer reflects this 78,000 so far.

To step up the pace of electromobility, we are also making headway with battery cell technology. Next week, our new competence center for battery cells in Munich will begin its operation. There, we will pool and deepen our comprehensive know how in battery cell technology. For over 10 years already, we have been developing and analyzing battery cells. We are currently working on the cells of the coming decades.

This way, we can influence the functional performance and the cost of the battery to our benefit. Already today, we produce prototypes of battery cells. This has the advantage that we can specifically request how the battery cells are to be produced regarding the chemical composition and design. And in addition, we are able to define in detail the associated production process. This places us in a strong strategic position.

We will then have all options in hand regardless of how global market for sales develop. Ladies and gentlemen, the BMW Group is wholly heartedly committed to the aims of the Paris Climate Agreement and we are taking action. Over the past 20 years, we have lowered the CO2 emissions of our European vehicle fleet by an average of 40%. There will be another slight decrease in our CO2 fleet emissions again this year. This places us in a better position than our competitors.

Over the next few years, we will continue to increase the amount of electrified vehicles in our lineup. In Europe, we are following an ambitious growth logic for our electrified vehicles. A quarter of our sales volume in 2021, a third in 2025 and half in 2,030. Hydrogen fuel cells also remain an option for us in the future. An offer for this drive technology should be possible by the second half of next of the next decade, because hydrogen may be relevant as a key element of a renewable energy system.

Over the past years, nearly all our series have been newly released onto the market or updated as part of our model offensive from the BMW 1 series to the 7 series,

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from the X1 to the

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X7. The areas we are currently focusing on are the luxury segment, the compact class, the X family, plug in hybrids and our M models. 1st, the luxury segment. We have further strengthened our position with the BMW brand due to the new 8 Series, 7 Series and all new X7 models. The 8 Series Francophier has been available since September.

It is the best selling 8 Series model and the most luxurious Ford.4s vehicle BMW has ever built. This puts us in a strong position to meet our goal of doubling our sales in the luxury class between 2018 2020. 2nd, regarding the compact class. The updated X1 has been on the market since September along with the new BMW 1 series, which introduces BMW's new interior and exterior design language to the segment. For the first time, it is based on the BMW front wheel drive architecture.

This allowed us to develop a 1 series with even better driving dynamics than its predecessor. We combine the front wheel drive architecture with state of the art chassis technology and near actuator wheel slip limitation. This innovative traction control comes from BMW I. In this way, the new 1 series sets the benchmark for agility and precision. Next year, the 2 series car co pay will introduce the successful 4 door Coupe concept to the premium compact class.

Thirdly, let's take a look at our BMW X models. One of the reasons they remain highly desirable is that they are more efficient than many comparable models in its class. In the year to date, the X3 and X4 in particular posted very strong growth. The X7 has also been well received by customers since its introduction in March. The X3 plug in hybrid will complete our lineup in December.

And already next year, we will also be presenting the battery electric X3. By the end of the year, we will have 12 fully electric and plug in hybrid models on the roads. Customers desire our plug in hybrids because they can use them as their only vehicle. They don't have to worry about a range and can get to know e mobility in everyday driving situations. People are a lot less hesitant about buying a plug in hybrid than a fully electric vehicle.

These cars also have excellent fuel economy. The BMW 3 Series plug in hybrid has an average petrol consumption of 1.6 to 1.8 liters. The BMW Group also conducted a full life cycle CO2 certification for the new BMW 330e Sedan from raw material procurement through the whole supply chain, production and use phase all the way to end of cycle recycling. The plug in hybrid has an advantage of about 60% over the petrol version if charged with green energy. Even if it is charged during the use phase with the average European electricity mix, the advantage is still over 20%.

The 3 Series Touring will also be available as a plug in hybrid variant next year. BMW MGBH is more diversified than ever. With the new X3M, X4M and M8 models, the portfolio has been significantly expanded. All new models are now also available from market launch as competition models. Early October, we presented the new X5M and X6M.

M is once again headed for another very successful year. Ladies and gentlemen, the car will continue to play an important role in our lives and in society because it remains relevant to so many people, especially in suburban and rural areas. We continue to strongly invest in the transformation of individual mobility. At the same time, as a responsible company, we have to ensure the balance is right between expenses and gains. The mobility services in our joint venture with Daimler EurNow are being well received.

More than 83,000,000 customers use these services. The number of transactions increased to more than €420,000,000 in September. Digitalization adds to the increasing complexity of market and product demands and reflects that our industry is becoming more and more challenging. For many, this challenge represents a problem. We, on the other hand, view this as a real opportunity.

Anyone who wants to be successful in the long run must master this growing complexity and at the same time be and stay profitable. This is no easy task and some new players are already experienced this. And I believe the true strength of the BMW Troop have been underestimated in recent years. Today, we are already a global high-tech company. Thanks to the expertise of tens of thousands of our well qualified employees working together in coherent process chains and with our suppliers, every vehicle we build contains a piece of highly advanced technology that benefits our customers.

For them, we will continue to take the car to the next level and make it future fit because we have the technological and financial potential to do so. We also have the necessary integration expertise. It is in our very DNA to manage complexity and combine efficiency with flexibility. We will continue to harness the far reaching technological change to enhance our business model. For us, the way forward is to drive brokers ourselves.

That will remain our focus also in the future and our customers will benefit from this strategic approach. We see this as our role for the future of individual mobility in our society and we are taking on this responsibility. Thank you very much for your attention.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much, Oliver. Nicolas, please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. In the 1st 9 months of the year, business development has so far met our expectations. In the Q3, all segments are on course for growth as planned. As expected, our financial figures have improved from quarter to quarter throughout the year. In a challenging and extremely volatile business environment, we are on track to meet our goals for the full year.

Group revenues for the Q3 showed solid year on year growth as expected, reaching €26,670,000,000 This reflects, in particular, the strong performance of our young product portfolio as well as positive currency translation effects among other factors. Specifically, new models like the X3 and X4 are now fully available and proving very popular with customers. We have significantly expanded our lineup in the highly profitable luxury segment with the new 8 Series models, the new 7 Series NX5 as well as the X7. Overall, our operating business continued to develop in line with our expectations in the Q3. Thanks to the strong performance of our models in a largely declining market environment, the EBIT margin in the Automotive segment reached 6 0.6% for the quarter despite continued high upfront investments.

The base effect from the high cost associated with the market turbulence resulting from the transition to the WLTP and warranty issues also had a positive impact compared to 2018. As expected, the financial results for the 1st 9 months were significantly lower than the previous year. In the equity result, higher BBA earnings were more than offset by the planned current losses of the EuronNow Companies. However, particularly in urban areas, we see great potential with Euronetow to reach new customers, especially in Europe and Latin America. Positive valuation effects in connection with last year's acquisition of DriveNow negatively impacted the year on year comparison.

The net balance of the onetime appreciation effect from pooling our mobility services with Daimler this year and impairment losses due to adjusted business expectations at individual Your Now Companies totaled plus €60,000,000 in the year to the end of September. As in the previous quarters, valuation effects from interest rate derivatives significantly dampened the financial result. Group earnings before tax climbed 23.4% in the 3rd quarter to around €2,250,000,000 Due to the effects from the previous year I already mentioned and the overall positive business development, the EBT margin increased year on year to 8.4%, despite significantly higher expenses for the development of new technologies. 3rd quarter research and development costs according to IFRS were 14.2% higher than the previous year. In the 9 months to the end of September, they were already up nearly €17,000,000 on 2018.

The R and D ratio for the same period was slightly below the previous year's figures at 5.9%. Capital expenditure also increased significantly from January to September, reaching €3,310,000,000 At 4.4%, the CapEx ratio for the year to date was slightly higher than it was last year. In addition to upfront investments for new models, such as the 1 Series, 3 Series and 4 Series, our main focus was on electrification topics and development activities for next generation highly automated sliding systems. The production of the Mini Electric began in Oxford this month. The 5th generation of our electric drivetrain, which we developed in house, will also be on the market next year beginning with the IX3.

We made further upfront investments for the development of new technologies for the Inex and our next generation infotainment systems. Despite headwinds from our many future projects, a lower financial result as expected and costs related to the European Commission's antitrust proceedings, pretax earnings for the 1st 9 months totaled €5,060,000,000 The EBT margin stood at 6.8%. This is still a high level in comparison with our competitors and considering the difficult conditions our business is facing. Ladies and gentlemen, however, we aspire to more than that because upfront investments in future technologies and e mobility have to be paid for. That is why we continue to work systematically on those matters that lie in our own hands.

Through Performance NEXT, we have been continuously implementing measures to further improve our efficiency for the past 2 years. We intend to realize potential of at least €12,000,000,000 across the company in this way by 2022. Around half of this amount will be realized through measures on the sales side, specifically even more systematic database sales management all the way to dealership level and indirect purchasing topics, including synergies from bundling contracts more widely. Another focus area with significant leverage is the reduction of complexity in the development of new product, as I have talked about in more detail on other occasions. The full impact of these results will come into effect with the respective model launches.

We are also striving to lower personnel costs, direct material costs and capital expenditure. Many of these measures are already being implemented. We are also optimizing our use of capital through targeted collaborations and partnerships. This will not only have a positive impact on our cost structures, it will also allow us to pull expertise and make us much faster. Our partnerships with Daimler on autonomous driving and mobility services are good examples of this.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's move on to the individual segments. In the Automotive segment, revenues for the 1st 9 months were slightly higher than the previous year at €64,850,000,000 3rd quarter revenues benefiting mainly from positive mix effects from new models such as the 8 Series and X7 as well as currency tailwinds posted solid growth of 9.0%. Boosted by the dynamic development in sales, the segment's operating earnings for the 3rd quarter climbed to €1,520,000,000 The previous year's earnings had been substantially impacted by the market turbulence resulting from the transition to the WLTP and higher provisions for quality issues. Consequently, the EBIT margin was higher than the previous year at 6.6%. As already mentioned, further upfront investments for our ongoing model offensive and electrification dampened earnings, Including the provision we made in the Q1 in connection with the antitrust allegations by the European Commission, EBIT following year to the end of September totaled €2,670,000,000 with a margin of 4.1%.

This means we are on course for our adjusted target range of 4.5% to 6.5% for 2019. Pretax earnings for the Q3 climbed to €1,530,000,000 in line with the positive business development. Impacted by the planned decrease in the financial result and the provision made in the Q1 in connection with the antitrust allegations by the European Commission, earnings for January to September were significantly lower year on year at €2,990,000,000 As previously announced, currency and commodity headwinds also dampened earnings. At the end of the 1st 9 months, free cash flow in the automotive segment totaled €1,024,000,000 mainly due to lower earnings and a higher inventory buildup than last year for the introduction of new models. Due to the factors I talked about, we expect free cash flow for the full year to come to around €2,000,000,000 Ladies and gentlemen, let's move on to the Financial Services segment, which once again delivered a strong performance in the 3rd quarter.

In addition to healthy portfolio growth, currency tailwinds also had a positive impact. The risk situation also remained very stable. As of 30th September, the segment managed a portfolio of around 5,400,000 retail contracts. More than 500,000 new contracts with retail customers were concluded in the Q3 alone. This positive business development is also reflected in segment earnings before tax, which rose by 8.7% during the same period to almost €600,000,000 In the year to the end of September, pretax earnings climbed 5.4 percent to just under €1,800,000,000 The Motorcycle segment also had a successful 3rd quarter.

With sales growth of 9.9%, the operating results also increased to €35,000,000 In the year to the end of September, almost 137,000 motorcycles were delivered to customers. Segment earnings before financial results were up 8.7 percent to €226,000,000 Accordingly, the EBIT margin was 6.3% for the quarter and 12.1% for the 1st 9 months. Ladies and gentlemen, we expect this stable business development to continue in all segments throughout the remaining months of the year. We are therefore able to confirm our guidance for 2019, assuming that political and economic conditions do not deteriorate significantly. One risk that remains is the uncertainty surrounding the UK's planned withdrawal from the European Union.

There is also a possibility the global trade dispute could escalate further, adversely affecting business in the final quarter of the year and beyond. In the Automotive segment, we expect a slight increase in delivery. This development will be driven by our product momentum from new models of the X family like the X7, the new one series and the high volume 3 series sedan and touring. In Europe, development in the 1st three quarters has not been as robust as forecast at the start of the year. We have therefore adjusted our volume planning on an ongoing basis over the course of the year to reflect current market developments.

During the remaining months of the year, we will maintain a clear focus on earnings quality. Thanks to our flexible production network, we are able to respond quickly to changes in our business development. China, on the other hand, is currently experiencing stronger growth than predicted. However, this is only partly reflected in our operating results since it is mostly taking place at our BBA joint venture. We expect the segment's EBIT margin for the full year to be within our adjusted target range of 4 0.5% to 6.5%.

Without the effect of the provision we recognized in connection with the anti trust allegations by the European Commission, the margin would be within our original guidance range of 6% to 8%. In the motorcycle segment, we are planning for a solid increase in delivery. The EBIT margin should remain within our target range of 8% to 10%. In the Financial Services segment, return on equity should be on par with last year and above our target figure of 14%. As anticipated, the financial results decreased significantly.

Therefore, we still expect group earnings before tax to be significantly lower year on year also as a result of the provision recognized in the Q1. Despite all the challenges in our current business environment, we find ourselves in a strong competitive position. We have ambitious goals. We are working hard to improve our earnings and profitability. This mindset is deeply rooted in our company.

We continue to chart our own costs step by step and with a clear strategic direction. This remains our approach also and especially in a volatile environment. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much, Nicolas. Ladies and gentlemen, the line will shortly be open for questions. Please wait for some technical advice.

Speaker 5

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin our question and answer session. And the first question is from Tim Rokossa, Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good afternoon, gentlemen. It's Tim Rokossa, Deutsche Bank. I'd like to start with the CO2 point, specifically looking into 2020. You always said very clearly that you will meet these targets. You seem to be a lot better on track than, for example, Daimler.

Three points on that. Firstly, how much cost should we assume for CO2 compliance next year? Will generation 5 already help you on the cost side next year? And how many of your cars in Europe need to be EVs next year? And the second question block, Oliver, maybe to you.

You are now CEO for a few months. Listening to your speech, it sounds very much to me as if you don't really intend to make any material changes to the strategy and or positioning of the brand and company. Is that a fair interpretation? Or what do you consider to be your key priorities looking ahead?

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you very much, Tim. I think we start with Oliver.

Speaker 2

Yes. Tim, thank you very much for your question. Your question was what are our my personal indication on our strategy. I think looking at the business environment, and we are not only starting today to look at the business environment, the car itself and the system integration of the car is a completely underestimated challenge. If you look at our environment, there are many players around who struggle with that very challenge to integrate all technological components to meet fuel efficiency requirements, to meet digitalization requirements and customer expectations overall.

And that is our very core concentration where we would like to concentrate on. And we regard this as a very, very profitable future outlook. And that is not an easy task to select the more important things of system integration and the not so important things around the vehicle. And I think this is a change to our focus we had before, but it's not a complete 180 degree turnaround because we have been working on this very strategy for the past 5 years already. And you mentioned quite well that we will next year and the year after, we will meet our emission targets.

And that is a very result of that strategy to integrate all requirements into the product and stay profitable at the same time. And with that, we are quite confident that we will have quite positive years ahead.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you very much. So second quarter was about CO2 cost for next year. Nicolas?

Speaker 3

Tim, maybe to start with a very clear general statement. 5th are definitely not a strategic option for the BMW Group. And we are in a strong position in particular also to meet the European 2020 targets. Why? Because we've started ahead of most of our competitors.

In 2019, we will sell between 145,150,000 cars worldwide, nearly 90,000 cars in Europe. We are as we speak, we are launching the new 3 Series plug in hybrid car, very popular in many European markets. Maybe just as an interesting information, if you look at our 2 Series Actix Tour in Europe, the plug it hybrid version is the most sold engine variant. We are launching the new X5 plug in hybrid, and we are planning to grow based in particular on those very strong portfolio, which puts us in positive compared to our competitors in a strong position. We are definitely on track to achieve the CO2 target.

Is this completely for free? Of course not. Of course not. There is a cost related to it. We've discussed many, many times that cars with combustion engines have a contribution per unit, which is higher compared to plug in hybrids or electric powered cars.

However, we are systematically working on one hand side on the reduction of the electric life train and on the other hand side with our Performance NEXT program in order to improve profitability across the country the company. Good.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Okay. If you don't want to can I just follow-up on this? Nicolas, if you don't want to give us a detailed number on how much it will cost you next year, let me rephrase this. Will it cost will the burden on the cost side next year be substantially higher than this year

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for you? Or is that roughly the same? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Roughly the same wide cost. We have compared to others, we have a stronger base. We have sold, as I said, 145,000 to 150,000 cars this year, nearly 90,000 in Europe. The mix will also help us to achieve those targets. We are in the process to launch the new 1 Series.

1 Series very popular car in Europe, of course, with lower emissions compared to the previous model. 3 Series, 2 previous model. So yes, there are costs related to it, but this is something we have very well under control.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much. Tim, next question please.

Speaker 5

The next question is from Jose Jose Asumendi, JPMorgan. Your line is now open please.

Speaker 6

Thanks very much. Just following up on 2 topics please. On CO2, could you please maybe just quantify when you look at the 3 different options you've got, which is 40 volt, hybrid and pre electric, which technologies are you finding right now in the market are easier to pass on incremental cost to consumers? Also on the CO2 topic, can you share your thoughts please on this 7.5 grams of super credits? Is there something you can actually achieve next year, which would definitely help to meet the recent targets?

And then the final question please for Oliver.

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As you

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think about your business and you think about the share of SUVs within the regions, do you think you can push the share of SUVs maybe 5% to 10% over the next 12 to 24 months, which will be a key benefit for you as you are probably ahead of all the carmakers in terms of meeting the CO2 emission standards and you can actually push SUV share higher in the next 12 to 16 months. If you could share your thoughts on share of SUVs, please?

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you very much. Jose, we start with what is easier to sell. I think the right question for the CEO. Oliver, please.

Speaker 2

Yes. Selling is always important. What the actual question is what kind of electrification concept will be more successful than the other one. And our question is all 3 of them. First of all, 48 volts is important for the, let's call them, traditional combustion engines.

We will have a big rollout for 48 volt components into all our vehicles. So that's the base requirement. So it will be sold in any case. On the question, PHEV or EF, the hurdle towers electrification is smaller with PHEV. That means 2 thirds this year, 2 thirds of our vehicles are PHEVs and 1.3 4th, so 75% are PHEVs and 25% are RBC.

And I think that mix will go more towered best over the time, but the PHAS will be for the next 5 years the dominant figure. And that is why we are also quite confident that we will reach our emission targets in 20222021. We also think that the entry level is easier to reach with the PHEV. And in the second step, people might move easier from combustion and over PHEV to the purely electrified vehicles. But I think all three electrification principles will have future elements.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you very much. The second part of the question was about SCIO. Super credits, do they help to meet targets and the share of SUVs, Oliver?

Speaker 3

Jose, of course, super credits will be used in 2020, 2021. They will support our target achievement as well as the 95% target achievement in 2020. The share of SUVs in various regions, to be very clear, we don't have to push SUVs. SUVs are in very, very high demand in all major sales regions. We have probably the most complete portfolio of SUVs, X models in the industry after the launch of the X5 and the X7.

And if we look at the trend in the U. S. And in Europe and in China, yes, the share of SUV is growing.

Speaker 5

The next question is from Tom Narayan, RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Yes. Tom Noreen, RBC. Thanks for taking the question. First, actually, I wanted to know what is behind your confidence that you will achieve the $2,000,000,000 for cash flow target for the year? It sounds like a lot is coming in Q4.

And then secondly, if I look at LMC data over the past 5 years, globally on a unit sales basis, the premium category has been growing nicely, but BMW brand has not seemed to keep up with the overall category growth. Your closest rival Mercedes has, however, along with others. And one theory has been positive that the premium category has perhaps broadened towards SUVs geographically and perhaps a different demographic. We know Mercedes was earlier to SUVs and perhaps this hasn't played into BMW's strength. Another theory is that Mercedes has more model variance than BMW, so maybe this has been benefiting them as the premium category has broadened.

Could you comment perhaps on what's been happening over the past 5 years there? Appreciating this is a backwards looking question, but I think it's important one to address to assess whether something will continue or be reversed. Thank you.

Speaker 1

So thank you very much, Tom. We start with the question premium market growth with Oliver.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you very much for your questions, Tom. I think if you look at a wider perspective, the overall market has been shrinking for the last 2.5 years. But despite that trend, the premium market has been growing, which led to the current position that BMW Group has 2.9 percent market share worldwide. And that trend, we don't see any indication that this trend will change.

That premium the premium segment is not growing anymore or at least not growing bigger than the base segment. That's the first observation. The second observation and that's that retains to your question about the SUVs. We have life cycles of about 7 years. So there will always be someone who is quicker with his specific time in his life cycle than the other competitor.

I think with our SUV overall strategy, we are well positioned. We have all cars between X1 and X7 in the market. The X7 is very successful specifically for families with more kids. And that is an overall societal trend worldwide that families have more kids again. So the ZUK actually go right into that trend.

It's not so much a trend of individualization, but a mode and a trend of practicability. And the U in SUV is sensory utility. So that trend of having utilized cars for bigger families is a very strong trend worldwide, and we are riding exactly on that trend. And I think I wouldn't comment too much on direct competitors. I think we are very successful on the SUV trend, and we don't see any reason why that should change specifically because we will also electrify that early segment.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you very much, Oliver. And we have

Speaker 3

free cash flow. Tom, free cash flow, why are we very confident to be at around €2,000,000,000 by year end? Two main reasons: 1, CapEx will be in Q4 in absolute terms below Q4 2018, €100,000,000 and of course, the planned reduction of working capital inventory reduction, at least 80,000 cars reduction between Q3 and Q4. So this will support from our performance from our perspective another strong free cash flow in Q4.

Speaker 5

The next question is from Arnd Ellinghorst, Evercore.

Speaker 8

Yes. Good afternoon, everyone. Nicolas, just one quick question to clarify on the CO2 cost. If I understood you correctly so far in the discussions, you've been pointing towards something in the area of €700,000,000 to €800,000,000 incremental content costs this year. So if we assume about €80,000 to €90,000 additional electrified vehicles in Europe next year, That would leave me with something in the area of about €300,000,000 to €400,000,000 on top, so incremental next year.

Are we ballpark the same range here? And also on CO2, could you give us your current footprint year to date and your CO2 emission number? I think you were at 129 in 2018. And then secondly for Oliver, please. You said in your speech that the strength of the BMW Group has been underestimated in the past years.

So what exactly are you referring to? Do you refer to the stock market, the Chevron's performance or the press, the general public? And then really more importantly, and also to Tim's question at the beginning, what will you do different to improve that perception? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Good. Thank you very much. The right questions. We start with the CEO.

Speaker 2

Right. Thank you very much, Haile Horst, for your questions. I would give a twofold answer. The first one is about the business environment and our growth perspective. I think it was not so clear that the car industry is a growth segment.

And by looking very closely to our data in the past, but even more in the future, we are quite firm that we are in a segment which is growing faster than the average car industry. That's our first finding. And the second question was unclarity is what is the actual business model of the car industry? Is there something outside of the car, naming the car becomes a commodity and platforms will have more successful business models? I think having a closer look and also doing a lot of strategic work on the future of these specific business models around the car, we found that the most profitable segment is the car itself because the car itself is undergoing massive changes and that will be a very competitive field where we will have survivors and competitors which will have more difficulties with doing that.

And we are we're adamant that we will belong to the survivor part because it will be a technological integration challenge. So the challenge is not about single components, which lead to battery electric vehicles, which lead to automated or autonomous cars, active or passive safety system. It's the integration of all these cars to make out of that system a car for customers which are easy to use and at the same time to have costs under control to stay profitable. And this integration, guys, is the actual challenge we are having. And I think focusing on that very challenge is a very safe prospect for the future.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you very much, Oliver. Nicolas?

Speaker 3

Arndt, coming to your CO2 topic. Number 1, as I said, electrification of the industry is not for free, and you are relatively precise with your the numbers you've mentioned, euros 300,000,000 to €400,000,000 to €400,000,000

Speaker 2

on top of

Speaker 3

the incremental costs in 2020. Having said this, we are as I've outlined, we are working hard in other areas to offset those impacts in the framework of our Performance NEXT program. Based on our young product portfolio, we see some mix opportunities in the quarters ahead. We are definitely striving also for further gaining segment share in the following quarters. And of course, all the measures we implement on the cost side are quarter by quarter delivering results.

And this is why at the end of the day, clearly, we have step by step to offset those negative impacts coming from electrification.

Speaker 1

Okay. Good. Thank you very much. And your Tier 2 number, I guess

Speaker 3

your Sorry, Hans. Tier 2 number 128 grams in 20 18, we plan a slight decrease in 2019.

Speaker 5

The next question is from Dorothy Cresswell, Barclays. Your line is now open please.

Speaker 9

Hi there. It's Dorothy Cresswell from Barclays. Thank you for taking my question. First, could I just come back to your comments on cost cutting? Obviously, it sounds like you're making decent progress on the efficiency improvements.

And I think in the past, you've indicated that that would benefit earnings by a 3 digit million amount in 2019. Could you just confirm that and perhaps tell us if we're right to assume that there's going to be a significant step up in 2020? And then my second question is just around China. I think the guidance for the volume growth this year there is obviously 10% or a little higher. I know that's unusually strong, but if we look to the coming years, presumably the prospects remain very good.

Is it too aggressive to assume that growth in the mid to high single digit range is possible there if we assume that the market sort of stabilizes going forward? And then finally, on the Chinese tariffs that I think are still due to come in on December 15, if that happens, does that accelerate your localization strategy? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you very much, Nicolas.

Speaker 3

Efficiencies, yes, we will have a positive impact from efficiencies in 2019 in the mid 3 digit euro area, so that's correct. Definitely, growth in China, we are extremely well on track. We forecasted a growth of 5% to 10% in 2019, and we are slightly ahead of this roadmap, thanks to the strong performance of the localized X3. We are in the process of localizing the X2. We have localized a new 3 series long version.

So we are optimistic as well for the months to come despite a business environment in the overall car market, which is which remains challenging in China. But definitely, we are on a good development. We will localize next year the IX3 as planned. So we will have an X3 with a combustion engine, PayHES and fully electrified. We have clear plans to regarding our localization strategy.

From today's perspective. There is we have always ambitious plans, so there is no need to accelerate at this point in time anything. We are well on track.

Speaker 9

Can I just come back on the 2020 number? Oh, sorry, because you indicated what it was for 2019, but are we right to assume that those cost cutting benefits step up next year or not?

Speaker 3

Yes, yes. It definitely of course, it's too early to give a clear guidance. We will guide 2020 in a couple of months from now. But of course, we had a positive very positive impact in 2019. And this will continue we will definitely continue in 2020 as well.

As you are aware, we are in and we are optimistic. We are in good discussions with our social partner to lower personal costs. So we are well on track also in this area. We hope to be in a position to announce something by end of this year. So this one area we are well on track also to reduce our CapEx spending without impacting our growth plan.

So yes, you will have you will see a mid-three digit positive impact.

Speaker 1

Good. Thank you very much, Oliver. Thank you very much, Nicolas. So we have to close our telephone conference. Thank you for joining us today.

Bye bye.

Speaker 5

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attendance. This call has been concluded.

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