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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 4, 2023

Speaker 11

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I would like to welcome you all to our telephone conference for the first quarter results. With us today are Oliver Zipse, Chairman of the Board of Management, and Nicolas Peter, our CFO. First, Nicolas Peter will take you through our financial results. Oliver Zipse will give then a general business update for the BMW Group. Afterwards, we will have time for a Q&A session. Nicolas, it's your turn. Please go ahead.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Thanks a lot, Max. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. As expected, the BMW Group started 2023 with a solid performance. Group earnings came in at around EUR 5.1 billion, with a group EBT margin of 13.9%. After the first three months of the year, the automotive segment delivered an EBIT margin of 12.1%. We achieved this in the face of persistently volatile conditions. The geopolitical and macroeconomic situation remains tense. Inflation and interest rates remain at a high level in many markets. The same applies to material and commodity prices. Sales of our all-electric vehicles increased dynamically in the first three months of the year. Just under 65,000 units were sold, an increase of over 83% compared to the same quarter of the previous year. Best sales at the BMW brand saw growth of 112%.

All electric vehicles accounted for 11% of customer deliveries. Sales momentum also came from the market launch of vehicles in the upper price segment, including, for example, the BMW i7. The BMW Group's total vehicle sales for the first quarter were down slightly on the previous year, with just over 588,000 vehicles sold. While the U.S. market posted significant growth, we saw a moderate decrease in deliveries in China, where the after effects of the coronavirus wave at the beginning of the year were being felt. Europe remained stable overall. In the first quarter of 2023, the operating result of our Chinese joint venture, BBA, was integrated fully into the automotive segment's income statement. In the previous year, BBA was only fully consolidated from eleventh February. The automotive segment EBIT for 2022 and 2023 therefore include consolidation effects of differing amounts.

The previous year's financial results also reflected the high one-time effect from the full consolidation of BBA. The quarterly results are therefore not directly comparable. Ladies and gentlemen, let's start with a look at the group's earnings performance. Revenues reached just over EUR 36.9 billion, with a cost of sales of around EUR 29.1 billion. A key factor in these year-on-year increases of 18.3% and 13.5% respectively, is the full integration of BBA's operating business in 2023. The automotive segment also benefited from positive pricing and mix effects. The group financial result for the first three months was slightly negative, at minus EUR 246 million. This represents a significant decrease of just over EUR 9.1 billion compared to the previous year.

The main factor here is the one-time revaluation effect of around EUR 7.7 billion from the fair market valuation of BBA equity interests in 2022. In the first six weeks of last year, BBA also still contributed approximately EUR 300 million to the equity result. In 2023, its earnings were no longer included in the at-equity result. In the other entity segment, the fair market value of interest rate hedging transactions declined slightly in the first quarter of 2023. In the prior year quarter, interest rate hedges had developed positively due to the sharp increase in interest rates. The difference in earnings from the previous year was about EUR 700 million. At the end of the first quarter, group earnings totaled just over EUR 5.1 billion.

The group EBT margin of 13.9% was significantly above our strategic target of at least 10%. Ladies and gentlemen, our strong financial position lays the foundation for the transformation of the BMW Group. We continue to invest in new models and structures with a clear focus on topics for the future: electrification, digitalization, and automated driving. Research and development expenditure was significantly higher than the previous year at just under EUR 1.6 billion. Our R&D ratio of 4.2%, according to the German Commercial Code, was within our long-term target range of 4%-5%. We are funding investments from our operational cash flow.

CapEx was about EUR 200 million higher than the comparable figure for 2022 at just under EUR 1.3 billion. Due to higher revenues, the CapEx ratio was on a par with the previous year at 3.6%. We expect the ratio for the full year to be around 6%. Let's move on to the automotive segment. EBIT margin for the first quarter came in at 12.1%. Earnings before financial result exceeded the previous year's EBIT by around 60% at just under EUR 3.8 billion. Full integration of BBA's operating result increased both the segment's first quarter revenues and its cost of sales.

With regard to BBA, segment earnings for the first quarter of 2022 were impacted by depreciation and amortization from the purchase price allocation and the elimination of interim profits in connection with intra-group deliveries totaling around EUR 1.2 billion. In the first quarter of this year, depreciation and amortization from the purchase price allocation resulted in an expense of around EUR 400 million. Excluding the BBA consolidation effects, the EBIT margin would be 13.2%. In the first three months of the year, we continued to see robust pricing for our products. The product mix also developed positively, especially in the upper segments, with products such as the new 7 Series, the updated X7, the XM, and of course, the Rolls-Royce family.

Higher material and commodity prices, an increase in research and development spending, and a higher percentage of all-electric vehicles also pushed up the cost of sales. In the first quarter, we were able to compensate for these cost increases with strong pricing and an improved product mix. free cash flow in the automotive segment for the year to the end of March totaled just under EUR 2 billion, despite the seasonal increase of inventory levels. We are therefore on track to achieve our targeted free cash flow of around EUR 7 billion for the full year. By mid-2023, BMW AG will finalize its current share buyback program of EUR 2 billion, which was launched in July 2022. The company's strong operating performance is the basis for continuing our share buyback activities.

As announced yesterday, the board of management had therefore decided on a second share buyback program as part of the authorization granted by the 2022 annual general meeting. This program amounts to another EUR 2 billion. It will start after the end of the first program and will be completed by December 31, 2025, at the latest. Let's turn now to the financial services segment. In the financing and leasing business with retail customers, the volume of new business decreased by 14%. This was mainly due to price increases stemming from higher interest rates and intense competition in the financial services sector. However, price developments and an improved product mix in the automotive business had a positive impact, resulting in an higher average financing volume per vehicle. Segment earnings before tax totaled EUR 945 million.

This moderate year-on-year decrease of 6.2% is mainly due to higher refinancing costs. Income from the resale of end-of-lease vehicles remains consistently high, and the risk situation is stable. The credit loss ratio is still at a very low rate of 0.13%. The motorcycle segment also got off to a successful start in 2023. In the first three months of its centenary year, the BMW Motorrad brand grew its sales by 1.1% year-on-year, delivering its best ever first quarter sales result with around 48,000 units sold. This impressive performance is underpinned by an attractive product lineup. At the end of the first quarter, the segment's operating earnings totaled EUR 154 million with an EBIT margin of 16.5%.

Ladies and gentlemen, in the first quarter of 2023, the BMW Group's business developed positively despite the volatile business environment. We continue to benefit from stable pricing in new and pre-owned car markets. However, we do expect the competitive environment and pre-owned car markets to gradually normalize through 2023. There is still some uncertainty around stabilization in the Chinese market, which is an underlying assumption for our outlook. After a good start to 2023, as forecast, we expect the full year to progress in line with our outlook. Therefore, our guidance remains unchanged. This assumes that geopolitical and economic conditions do not deteriorate significantly. Group earnings before tax will decrease significantly without a tailwind from the revaluation of previously held equity interests in BBA.

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

In the automotive segment, we are planning for a slight increase in deliveries overall. The all-electric share of total vehicle deliveries is projected to increase significantly. The EBIT margin in the automotive segment should be within the range of 8%-10%, with a segment ROCE of between 15% and 20%. In the motorcycle segment, we anticipate a slight increase in deliveries with an EBIT margin of 8%-10% and a ROCE of 21%-26%. In the financial services segment, return on equity should be between 14% and 17%. The size of the workforce and the share of women in management positions are forecast to increase slightly. Once again, this year, we are targeting a slight reduction in CO₂ emissions in the new vehicle fleet as well as in CO₂ emissions per vehicle produced.

The macroeconomic situation remains difficult and the geopolitical environment is volatile. Our guidance does not factor in the possibility of a deep recession in key sales markets or further escalation of the war between Russia and Ukraine. Ladies and gentlemen, the BMW Group strategy remains robust, even in highly volatile times. It is well-balanced and focused on the long term. With the positive effects of a strong operating performance, we continue to make targeted investments in the future competitiveness of our company. Even during the transition to emission-free mobility, the BMW Group will continue on its road to success. We are determined to stay the course, proceeding at the same time with prudence and flexibility, knowing that we can rely on our attractive product portfolio.

We remain on track to meet our goals for the year in a volatile business environment and are looking forward to the rest of 2023 with confidence. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, Nicolas. Now our CEO, Oliver Zipse. Oliver, please go ahead.

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

Ladies and gentlemen, the BMW Group has a strong global footprint. It serves as a local partner in individual regions of the world, contributing positively to industrial economic value in all. We currently have production sites at 31 locations on five continents. It is so important for us to seize opportunities that will always present themselves at short notice in markets around the world. At the same time, our strategic thinking, our actions, and our decision-making are always looking forward with a clear long-term focus. Our goal is for the BMW Group to maintain its profitable growth and always be in a position to make appropriate investments in our future. In keeping with this logic, we are charting our own course for the future step by step with our rolling strategic approach and long-range corporate planning.

On the other hand, our strength lies in consistency with which we pursue our strategy. On the other hand, it comes from the flexibility and speed with which we tackle sudden changes. Once again, we have ambitious plans for the current financial year. After the first three months, we're on track to meet our goals for the full year, and that holds true, by the way, also for the first four months. As Nicolas Peter explained, the financial results for the first quarter of 2022 and the first quarter of 2023 are not directly comparable due to the one-time effect from the full consolidation of our BBA joint venture in 2022.

At the same time, our product lineup is younger, broader, and more attractive than ever across all brands, all segments, and all drive technologies with outstanding vehicles that we have recently launched or will be released onto the market in the very near future. We are exploiting potential everywhere and experiencing a noticeable tailwind. As you know, we expect group deliveries to be slightly higher than this year compared to 2022, as we continue to build on our solid incoming orders. This applies equally, and that is a particular quality to our all-electric models and to our conventionally powered vehicles.

This proves once again that our long-term product strategy, including ramping up BEVs in line with demand, is delivering results. Through our balanced positioning in the world regions, we can compensate for regional market fluctuations, just as, for example, a certain market weakness in China can currently be offset by a stronger performance in the United States of America. The same is true of our broad technology. This enables us to meet different demands in markets while accounting for the varying speeds at which they are creating the necessary infrastructure for e-mobility. We have remained true to our conviction that all types of drivetrain must make a positive contribution to reducing CO₂ emissions. This is particularly relevant in the short and medium term. Our BEV deliveries grew strongly in Q1 across all four major regions, Europe, Asia, the Americas, and the rest of the world.

BEV sales for the BMW brand alone grew by 112% on average. All regions contributed to this development. In April, the BMW brand continued this trend by doubling BEV sales yet again. Our global balance in BEV growth fits perfectly with our local for local approach to our worldwide manufacturing activities, R&D, and our BEV production. Together, all of these factors increase our resilience as a global company. Now, we're expanding this even more by adding an additional component, local manufacturing of high voltage batteries. This has already been established for current electric models at our facilities in Germany and China.

In the next step, we are adding further capacity, the sixth generation of our battery technology, for example, in Woodruff for our United States plant in Spartanburg and in Debrecen for our future plant in Hungary, as well as in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Now, what will be the key success factors for us this year? First, our diverse range of products with a clear focus on ramping up e-mobility. Second, digitalization of our products and of the company. Third, on point preparation for the Neue Klasse. Let's first start with the first point. Regional differences in demand for alternative drive technologies are becoming increasingly evident. I experienced this for myself just recently. In April, I visited the Japanese market and the Shanghai Auto Show. In Japan, for example, hybrids and efficient combustion engine vehicles are especially popular with customers.

There is also a lot of interest in hydrogen as an alternative method of propulsion. It was therefore not surprising that the BMW iX5 Hydrogen from our global pilot fleet was welcomed with open arms. Demand for pure battery electric vehicles, on the other hand, is developing steadily but slowly in Japan and remains at a low level. On the other hand, you have China, where BEV demand is growing rapidly. Today, China is already the biggest growth driver for e-mobility. For the first time, BMW presented only electrified models at the Auto Shanghai Motor Show. These included the i7 M70 xDrive, the XM Label Red as a plug-in hybrid, and the iX1 long wheelbase version, which were built in China for China. It is no secret that China's BEV market is highly competitive and equally among both established and new players.

Several manufacturers are currently lowering substantially to gain market share. At the BMW Group, we have a strong position in China. In the first quarter of 2023, we sold significantly more BEVs there than our established competitors and also more than many new manufacturers. By the end of the group, we already offer 11 electric models in China across all our brands. With our BEVs, we are exclusively targeting the upper premium and luxury segments. In China and in the current context, we benefit from our broad technological approach. The comparison of the car markets in Japan and China illustrates clearly the extent to which automotive manufacturers face varied market requirements during their transformation. We are targeting profitable growth with all drive technologies and in all segments, and therefore leveraging earnings potential. The upper premium and luxury segments are a good example of this.

A growth in this segment will get a major boost this year from new BMW models, the 7 Series and the XM, as well as the X7 model update. Not even to mention the Rolls-Royce model family. We're currently releasing X5 and X6 updates on the markets, including the particularly successful long wheelbase version of the X5 in China. Let's not forget the popular and in-demand models from BMW M. Over the coming months, we will release the model updates for the X5 M and the X6 M. Many fans are also looking forward to the M3 Touring that was just released onto the market. It was recently named Best Dream Car of 2023 by Autocar Awards. That's not the end. The M2 Coupé is already ready to hit the road.

With our strong portfolio, we are targeting growth in the mid double-digit percentage range in the upper premium and luxury segments this year. We are aiming even higher with our fully electric vehicles and planning for high double-digit growth. Over the year, the BEVs are expected to account for 15% of our global deliveries. This will be another big leap and the highest absolute increase we have targeted so far. Key models in particular will drive our sales, including at BMW, the BMW i4 Sport Coupe, the iX, the iX3, and the new i7 and the new iX1, and at MINI, the Cooper SE. We will keep up the pace with additional new products. The new BMW 5 Series and new BMW X2 will be released onto the markets towards the end of the year, including the i5 and the iX2 BEV variants.

The BMW Group will then have at least one all-electric model in all its main model ranges on the roads. We recently conducted intensive testing of the i5 under most difficult conditions, including extremely low temperatures. It also impressed media representatives at our recent pre-launch test drive events, as the very positive coverage demonstrates. The BMW 5 Series is the top business sedan with all drivetrains, conventional just as well as fully electric. Our BEV roadmap is precisely defined. By 2024, at least one in five of the BMW Group's new vehicles should be a BEV. By 2025, it will be one in four. In 2026, one in three. This is another reason why we are in a better position with our targeted BEV ramp-up than our key competitors. As a company, we remain innovative.

In the field, for example, of battery technology, we are in the top three for patent applications in Germany. There are only two battery specialists from Korea and China ahead of us last year. With that, let's move on to the second topic. Digitalization is the most dynamic field in the mobility of tomorrow. That is why we are making BMW Digital, because digital products and features can only be created in an organization that views digitalization holistically as an opportunity. The know-how we have in our team is crucial in this respect. That is why we have launched the biggest individual training program in the history of our company for key areas of digitalization. The Digital Boost, as we call it, will create the knowledge and tools we need to identify and implement digital potential in every area of responsibility.

Let me give you three examples to show how we are implementing this knowledge to create a seamless digital experience of mobility that benefits our customers. First, in the new BMW 5 Series, customer will experience automated driving in a new dimension. It is equipped with the Highway Assistant, which continuously performs distance control and steering tasks. For the first time, the vehicle changes lanes using eye activation, an absolute world's first. Customers will not find such a comparable overall package anywhere else. Second, our Digital Key Plus. The digital vehicle key is no longer just available for Apple devices. Customers can now also use their Android smartphone to unlock and start their BMW. This is made possible by ultra-wideband technology that guarantees maximum security. You don't even have to take your phone out of the pocket. Third, our multimedia offering in the new BMW 7 Series.

Earlier this year, we launched a pilot program that makes selected live Bundesliga games available in certain models. We're now expanding this option. In the in the new 7 Series, the Theatre Screen transforms the rear compartment into an exclusive seat in the stadium. This brings me to my third and final point. Alongside our current product lineup, we are also gearing up for the next big breakthrough in innovation. 2023 and 2024 will be the decisive phase of our preparation for the Neue Klasse. It will bring added momentum to our sales of all-electric vehicles from 2025 onwards. We plan to release at least 6 models in this entirely new BMW model generation onto the market in the first 24 months after the start of production.

We are deliberately starting out in high volume segments with a Sports Activity Vehicle and a sedan in the 3 Series segment. The Neue Klasse embodies all three pillars of future mobility. It is entirely geared towards digitalization and sustainability. Also fully electric. Our BMW i Vision Circular from 2021 and this year's BMW i Vision Dee show the direction of our thinking. In just a few months at the IAA Mobility, we'll be sharing how the topics of digital, circular, and electric complement each other to form a totally new and coherent overall concept. Ladies and gentlemen, as you can see during the current financial year, we are once again taking a two-pronged approach. Internally, we are focusing on our operational excellence. Across all brands and all segments, we're offering our customers a new, modern, technologically diverse and innovative range of products.

At the same time, we are systematically investing in our future and aligning the entire company for the launch of the Neue Klasse. The BMW Group remains focused on delivering its profitable growth and holding its successful course. For us, that means an EBIT margin in the automotive segment with our target range of 8%-10% even during the transformation towards e-mobility. Thank you very much.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, Oliver Zipse. Ladies and gentlemen, now the line will shortly be open for questions. Please wait for some technical advice.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin our Q&A session. If you have a question, we ask that you please use the Raise Hand function at the bottom of your Zoom screen. If you have dialed in, please press star nine to enter the queue. Once your name has been announced, you may ask a question. If you want to withdraw your question, please lower your hand using the Raise Hand function in the Zoom app or via telephone by pressing star nine. Thank you. A moment please for our first question. Our first question will come from Dorothee Cresswell from Exane. Please unmute your line.

Dorothee Cresswell
Managing Director and Equity Research, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay, I hope you can hear me. Can you hear me all right?

Speaker 11

Yes, we can hear you. Yes.

Dorothee Cresswell
Managing Director and Equity Research, Exane BNP Paribas

Yes. Perfect. Okay, perfect. Thank you. And thank you for taking my questions. I have two, if I may. One around the upper-end vehicle sales, and the second around China. I wondered whether, just speaking about fiscal year 2023, you could tell us whether the tailwind from new product momentum, and growth in that upper end of the range will more than offset the headwind from a rising BEV mix. And then looking a little bit further out, is there a midterm plan to grow the sales contribution of the upper-end vehicles to a certain proportion of the overall volume? And then turning to China, you outlined that it's noticeable that you're managing to take BEV share in China to a greater extent than your incumbent peers.

Can I just ask at what stage you think that your BEV market share in China can draw level with your ICE market share? Is that something that you think can happen perhaps by the middle of the decade? Because obviously you still have a fair amount of BEV products in the pipeline. Just to finish, of course, I should say, Dr. Peter, thank you so much for our very many insightful discussions over the last few years, and my very best wishes for your next chapter. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thank you, Dorothee. We start with our Chairman, Oliver Zipse, and then Nicolas. Okay, Oliver, please.

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

Dorothee, thank you for your question. Best regards from Munich. Let me start with your China question first. The BEV market, of course, in relative terms, is having the strong market momentum. This is market-driven, but this is also offer driven. By the end of this year, we will have 11 fully electrified products from the BMW Group in the Chinese market. We believe in a strong market push. And by the way, whilst we were still down from the previous, after March, after April, we are already up 4% in the Chinese market. We are regaining momentum with a strong push from the product side.

With that said, when exactly is the BEV share of our market offerings at exactly the same volume as the ICE model? I don't know. I cannot tell you, but it will be first of all sooner than later. Of course it will be in this decade, and the rest the market will show. We will have BEV models in every segment, from MINI all the way up to Rolls-Royce, and in every segment of BMW. We will see what the market is there. We are ready to follow the market wherever it moves. Of course, as we always said, the market conditions will depend on infrastructure, on the availability of raw materials, and at the end, most importantly, to final customer taste. Again, we started very successful in this year, and the rest we will see.

Speaker 11

Thank you, Oliver. Nicolas?

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

Dorothee, really good to hear and thank you for your very kind personal remark. Maybe let's start with all electric sales, because you can look from two perspectives. One is to say, well, that's a margin dilution, and I will come to it. But we have to say we are very pleased that our all electric cars are performing extremely well in all three major regions. We are very confident from the level we've seen last year, close to 10% penetration of all electric sales in 2022, to grow our all electric business to 15% in the course of the year.

This is backed by really good, strong incoming orders, also in particular for the very recently launched iX1 and i7. You might have read that the first feedbacks from the media, from journalists regarding the i5 was really extremely positive. We are confident to achieve this target. Second comment is contribution is better for the all-electric cars than we anticipated two to three years ago. I would say the glass is half full, half empty. We are very, very confident to be definitely also after the first strong quarter this year to our...

to be on track to achieve our guidance of 8%-10%. This is, of course, backed by the strong performance in the upper part of the segment. We will ± double our 7 Series sales in 2023 compared to 2022, even before having the full year effect of the volume model in China of the 7 Series. The X7, which got a facelift a couple of months ago, is performing very well. XM just launched. Rolls-Royce well on track. Not to talk about the M model.

We are based on this, we are really confident to deliver in line with our guidance. To be very clear, I would it's too early because we are only four months into the year. I would not be surprised if we would be end up in the upper part of our guidance corridor.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, Dorothee. Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question will come from George Galliers from Goldman Sachs. Please unmute your line.

George Galliers
Head of European Automotive Research, Goldman Sachs

Yep. Good afternoon and thank you for taking my questions. Similarly, I pass on my very best wishes to Dr. Peter and do hope we can remain in touch. I actually wanted to talk about two similar areas to Dorothee, but actually slightly different questions. Obviously, in the interim report you do talk about competition in the Chinese auto market becoming more intense. When we consider BMW's portfolio, are you seeing the competition across your portfolio or only on certain vehicles such as compact cars? How large a risk do you see from Chinese competition or becoming more prevalent in other regions such as Europe? The second question I had was also on the upper end vehicles. I believe it's more than 12 months now since you purchased Alpina, a brand with enormous appeal to car and driving enthusiasts, arguably the ultimate Q car.

There's no mention of the brand on your product slide A. To date, I think the communication around the intent for Alpina has been limited. Maybe this call isn't the right forum, but does Alpina play any role in the double-digit % growth that you expect for the upper segment this year? Can you give us any insight into when we might get to hear more about your plans for Alpina and its future role within the BMW Group? Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, George. Please, Oliver.

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

George, thank you for your questions. What we see in China is, and I think that is very important to discover, market segments are more alive than ever. Now I'm talking about car sizes, UKL segment, MKL segment, GKL segment, and the premium segment. The fastest growth in the Chinese markets is in the base segment. Unlike here in the Western world, it's exactly the other way around. The biggest growth is starts from the base segment. Of course, through that development, there's a lot of competition underway. That does not mean that the premium segment is the segment which is attacked firstly.

In our case, we are a strong premium segment player with most of the cars more expensive than CNY 350,000 in the Chinese man, going well over CNY 1 million. That is very solid. In that segment where which is still very much alive and very solid, the competition is not as challenged than in the base segment. I think that's very important to know. With that competencies which are built up in that market, of course, there will be a global footprint, increasing global footprint of Chinese manufacturers, and that is at a starting point. I cannot tell you what the development will be. Conquering new markets is always a difficult task, and it takes not years, it takes decades.

As you can see with out in the American market, that take more than 25 years with local manufacturing footprints and so on. We took more than 20 years to develop our market position in the Chinese market. The same holds true for any new competitor trying to hold foot in the European market. That is to see. Of course, we see what is going on in the world, and we are not ignoring it. The rest we will see how at the end of the day customers will behave, you know. To your second question, Alpina. Alpina has a 50-year-old tradition and a super strong market value. After making that acquisition, we of course, sat down closely, how do we preserve that market?

That of course, will never be a high volume segment. In 2026, we will offer products branded Alpina, that of course, will build on that manufacturing and product competence, brand history that brand has. We just looked again this, just this week, we looked at the car, and I can only say, I'm very excited and I'm very happy how our plans to further develop the Alpina brand further. The rest, you have to be surprised then when it comes to the market.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, George. Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from José Asumendi from JPMorgan. Please unmute your line.

José Asumendi
Head of European Autos, JPMorgan

Thank you very much. José from JPMorgan. Nicolas also, thank you for all the great dialogue over the past years and the strong collaboration. We already had the opportunity to exchange a few weeks ago, but again, thank you from my side. Maybe a few topics just simply on CapEx, if you can maybe provide a bit more context about the CapEx ratio in 2023. Especially in the first quarter, We're starting to see, you know, substantially increasing CapEx on a year-on-year basis. Can you maybe provide additional colors with regards to the proportion that goes into BEV or into ICE, and how much of the increase we're seeing now, which actually is substantial, is related to China.

Very well-balanced, by the way, on cash flow with depreciation, but a bit more color as to where the absolute CapEx is going in 23. Second, if you could please provide a little bit more maybe guidance with regards to the work you're doing to improve the cost competitiveness of BEVs, and achieve this parity between ICE and BEV in the coming years will be appreciated. And for Oliver, I would love to hear a bit more around the battery technology. You mentioned in your remarks that you are, you know, top three in terms of patents for battery registrations in Germany, I believe. Can you provide a bit more color? What do you mean with these statements?

How far, how competitive is BMW on battery technology, and what do these battery applications mean at the end of the day? Thank you.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you very much, José. We start with Nicolas and then Oliver. Nicolas, please.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

José, maybe to start with the topic of CapEx in 2023. We are mainly investing, on one hand side, in battery module production. You might have read that we are kicking off also here in Bavaria between our plants of Regensburg, Dingolfing, and Munich, a new production site. We are investing in the ramp up of our plant in Hungary, in Debrecen. This is a plant where we will kick off Neue Klasse, the all-electric platform, from 2025 onwards.

At the same time, we've announced a couple of months ago that we are investing in particular in the U.S. environment as well in order to prepare Spartanburg for all-electric cars with, on one hand side, an investment of $1.7 billion in the plant itself and in battery module production as well, a little bit outside of the plant. At the same time, at the same time, we are ramping up with a partner, Envision, in South Carolina a battery module production itself. It's definitely very, very much focused on EV ramp up.

This is of course backed again, as I've mentioned already, by the strong demand we see for our all-electric cars. Cost competitiveness. I rather would talk about contribution parity. Contribution parity is definitely the ambitions or goal we have set ourselves for Neue Klasse. By 2025, 2026, we want to be on contribution parity. Of course, costs play an important role. This is exactly one of the reasons why we invest in the sixth generation of battery cells.

The objective is to have a significant, around 50% cost reduction with the sixth generation, which of course will contribute to contribution parity.

Speaker 11

Oliver?

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

Well, let me talk a little about wider what the electric drivetrain does for us. When we look at the electric drivetrain, we of course, look at the cell, and I will come to your question in a minute. We also have to look at the high voltage batteries, which is so the assembly of all the cells into one large battery. We have to look at the drivetrain technology, including the transmission. Of course, most importantly, how is all that integrated into a fully functional vehicle. Besides the cell, we're manufacturing all the other steps by ourselves. We have a very high vertical integration of all elements of the drivetrain. Now, you might ask the question, why don't you do the cell all by yourself?

As we have announced already, we are in the development of the 6th generation of our battery cell. That's also why we have that very high amount of cell patents. The next cell technology will be cylindrical and has a diameter of 46 mm. That will be at the point of market entry, the benchmark of that technology. Do we need to have a very high manufacturing footprint to do that? No, you don't, because there is ample global competition with that technology. There are a multitude of local players, and we will distribute this with our R&D developed cells around the globe with different suppliers.

To do that all by yourself would mean you would, at the same time, you would have to start up factories in at least 4 regions in the world at the same time. That is, I think, a task which you should thoroughly think whether that is possible. With our technology, with our know-how, we look for various partners to ramp up quickly. I underline quickly. In various regions, our new cell technology will then, with the other components I talked about, to ramp up the Neue Klasse quickly. It's not only about the manufacturing to sum it up. Almost the R&D technology and the R&D knowledge is even more important for the ramp up of the Neue Klasse. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you very much.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Thank you very much.

Speaker 11

Thank you. The next question, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from Horst Schneider from Bank of America.

Horst Schneider
Head of European Automotive Research, Bank of America

Yeah, hello. Thanks for taking my questions. You can hear me?

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Yes.

Speaker 11

Perfect. Perfect.

Horst Schneider
Head of European Automotive Research, Bank of America

Okay. Excellent.

Speaker 11

Horst.

Horst Schneider
Head of European Automotive Research, Bank of America

just

Speaker 11

Go ahead.

Horst Schneider
Head of European Automotive Research, Bank of America

I have the first question that I have that is relating to other cost changes. If I get it right, you are saying that basically other cost changes are getting a bigger headwind in the next few quarters. Volkswagen said today that they expect cost tailwinds in H2. Just want to understand what's your view on cost. I know you have got other items also included in that line, so it's not comparable. Maybe also might be due to lower capitalization, but maybe you can elaborate a little bit what's driving your view on other cost changes and what's the path in terms of quarterly progression that we can expect from here.

The other question that I have that relates a little bit to financial services, because you were stressing that the competition is increasing, and you are not willing to follow that trends in all regions. I just want to understand where you see particularly these competitive trends the most. Where is the competition the highest? Is it more an issue for particular regions, or it's all over the place, or just in certain vehicle segments? Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, Horst. Nicolas, please.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Horst, maybe let's start with financial services. First of all, what I believe is extremely relevant to mention, from an residual value perspective, and risk management perspective, credit risk management perspective, financial services is in good shape. We are very confident. We see a residual value still trending in positive territory, in particular in the U.S. environment, well, in the four-digit area per car. That's a really positive situation. Increasing competition is in particular China topic and is related to the non-automotive financial market participants.

Uh, and, is in particular related to the way, uh, provisions, uh, are paid, to the network, to dealers. And this is definitely something we are not, not following because we believe it doesn't make, any plan, in particular in an environment. And you have seen this, looking at the numbers where we, we despite, the drop in financial services, we grow our market share, in... with the automotive, with the automotive, business. this means, we don't see any reason, to accelerate in, this area, but we're very confident. We have seen this in, in the US market.

If you look to the U.S. market, you've seen a drop in particular at the end of the third quarter, beginning of the fourth quarter in '22. Now we are back to penetration levels of close to 70% in the U.S. environment. Now, if you look at the auto bridge, which is, I believe, the background of your question. Of course, can't comment Volkswagen numbers. We are focusing on our numbers.

If you look what we anticipate for the full year, you will see in particular positive development with a slight volume increase, which is planned. We are already four months into the year, slightly ahead of the previous year from a global perspective. We expect on the other hand side a very solid product mix development for the reasons I've outlined, in particular with the, on one hand side, growth in the high-end segments and some headwinds coming from the higher.

A BEV share and also a stable situation with regard to pricing, which is underlined also by the situation in China. Despite what we've seen in China, in the non-premium market, our pricing position remains very stable. On the other, in other cost changes, we anticipate a slightly positive effect coming from and base effect from BBA. Cost inflation, so inflation impacts will have in particular higher material costs and component costs. Cost of logistics will have a negative impact, as the same goes for personal costs. This has to do with the collective wage agreement in Germany.

We expect also some cost headwind in connection with lower capitalization ratio in the R&D area. For residual values, we anticipate a slight gradual what I would call normalization.

Speaker 11

Mm-hmm. Good.

Horst Schneider
Head of European Automotive Research, Bank of America

Material cost gonna be a tailwind in H2, right? As well for you?

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Material costs are going to be a headwind for the full year, have been a headwind for the in Q1 as well. If you look at raw material and FX, we've guided for both combined between mid-three digit to high three digit. Today, I would rather say it's probably in the lower part of the more positive part of this corridor, which means mid-three digit. Of course, this can develop.

Speaker 11

Okay. Good.

Horst Schneider
Head of European Automotive Research, Bank of America

Okay.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much.

Horst Schneider
Head of European Automotive Research, Bank of America

Nicolas, all the best, yeah?

Speaker 11

Yes. Thank you.

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

Thanks. Thanks, Horst. Thanks.

Speaker 11

Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question will come from Tim Rokossa from Deutsche Bank.

Tim Rokossa
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Yeah. Thank you very much. I have two questions please. Oliver, the first one for you. Over the last years, you made a pretty tireless effort to tell everyone about the need for flexibility of drivetrains. It's fair to say that that didn't resonate very well with the capital market and a lot of other stakeholders. Albeit that leaves a lot of potential savings on the market, I certainly changed my view on that a bit with everything going on globally last year, and I think others will follow. You see the German press being more positive on it this morning. Do you feel like your message resonates with an emphasis on BEV, but other options better with regulators and other stakeholders as well? Are we further away from banning ICE in Europe? Are other OEMs perhaps coming to you asking for more engine operations?

Secondly, Nicolas, we touched on this already with the full year results, but I try it again. Now, you announced the next share buyback program. I think it's fair to say that everyone really likes this from a capital market perspective. Why don't you institutionalize this and just say that from now onwards, excess cash will return to shareholders in the form of these buyback programs whenever it's available? Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, Tim. We start with Oliver.

Oliver Zipse
Chairman of the Board of Management, BMW Group

Well, Tim, it didn't resonate well, not because it was wrong. It was, it was despite the fact that it was correct, it didn't resonate one, because apparently you didn't want to listen, but it's okay. I think if you look at markets, if you look at markets, they're so diverse. I was talking about our visits to Japan and China this year. They're so diverse. If you look at electromobility ramping up, depends on raw materials, depends on charging infrastructure. In Japan, on market taste, on customer taste. It's not even about regulation alone. So many have to make so many ticks in the box, boxes. As you see, the few as we saw last week and saw this week, the few on electric mobility is very positive.

If you see the development, the risks of that 100% only approach is become very apparent to everyone involved. Raw materials, the infrastructure, where I remain saying it's almost impossible to build 100% charging infrastructure in Europe in 12 years' time. If you look at the development, that remains true. That underlines the necessity to have the ability, first of all, to be able to respond, to be able to build products which are independent on drivetrains. That is what we've done for the last five years. If you see the first messages from the i5, you see the test drive from the i7 against the competition. These are not compromised products, and I was trying to convey that to the public.

Of course, I see that you need to see the products and drive the products to believe it. They're now on the market. I think it underlines the strategy that we're in a very volatile world. You have to have a product strategy which is resilient and not pinpointed toward one solution. This brings you in a big dependency on outside circumstance. As you rightfully said, the world is turning quickly and I think I'm very happy that the world is finally understanding what BMW does. With that, to Nicolas.

Speaker 11

Nicolas. Yes.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Tim, maybe to start with.

BMW has definitely one of the strongest balance sheets in the industry. This is reflected also in our rating, which is the second best in the global industry and still the best amongst all European OEM. We are definitely in a strong position, and this is exactly why after having probably completed program one in the next couple of weeks, we will immediately continue with the next phase, which was announced yesterday. This also gives you an indication that we are very confident that we are able to generate the cash flows. We anticipate EUR 7 billion for this year.

We've, well, if you take into account the results of the first quarter, this, I believe, should make the market confident that we are well on track. On the other hand side, we've experienced a lot of volatility in our business, if you reflect on the last two or three years. This is why we believe it makes, on one hand side, a lot of sense to implement and to run in a very systematic, consistent manner our share buyback program, without saying it will go for the next decade exactly in this way. I believe it's the right combination. We are implementing right now.

We have executed program 1 faster than we initially anticipated. We continue now with program 2. At, when we will come to the end of program 2, we will decide what's next. We still have now some way to go.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, Nicolas. We come to our last two questions, and then we close our Q&A session. Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question will come from Patrick Hummel from UBS.

Patrick Hummel
Head of European and Global Autos Sector Research, UBS

Yeah, thank you. Good afternoon. Nicolas, also from my side, many thanks for the great partnership and all the open dialogue we had over the years and all the best for the future. First question, right away to you. As far as your comment about pricing is concerned, I think you emphasized that a little bit more as a risk for the remainder of the year. I'm just wondering if you can share a little bit more of your thoughts, which segments, which regions your caution is about or coming from, just to better understand to which extent there's BMW's usual conservatism built in that kind of wording or whether there's any specific reason to be more cautious on the pricing side.

The second one, just following up on the capital allocation question. It's great you continue with the share buyback, the EUR 2 billion, and that's despite a significantly higher share price, and you keep paying a regular dividend. On top of that, because you have a EUR 7 billion per year free cash flow, you're sitting on a big cash pile, that doesn't seem to be needed for anything CapEx wise in the next few years. Is that what you really need to stay a top-rated automotive company, or is there anything you are potentially considering with the cash pile you currently have? Thank you.

Speaker 11

Good. Thank you very much, Patrick. Nicolas, please.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Maybe, Patrick, to start with pricing, maybe it's worthwhile to go through the major three markets a little bit more in detail. To start with the U.S. market, you follow as we do follow U.S. auto data. You see that overall there's a slight increase in discount levels, but really a slight increase in the first three months. Amongst all the premium manufacturers, we are definitely the most positive one with the fewest, with the lowest discount levels. If you compare those to historic levels, they are very low.

What makes us confident for the US environment on top is that from a product allocation, due to the fact that we have now a full year availability of X5, after the China localization of the X5, we definitely have the right product mix for the US market. The third element, if you look at inventory level, we are still trading below 20 days. That's a really low level, and we are gaining segment share at the same time. That's a really good, strong combination of the different KPIs in the US environment. If we look at China.

China, we've seen in particular in the upper part of our business, very good pricing. Very good pricing also in terms of if you look back in history, we've been able over the last two years to grow prices in line with inflation and elevated costs, material costs. We are on a really good level in the China environment. We have not adjusted prices for BEV in China. We've seen business in the last, in particular in March, April, developing well. We are, we are confident for the Chinese, for the Chinese environment.

In Europe, as we've already said, the situation is different market by market. If you look in particular at the number 1 market, Germany, there is some more market pressure in the market. On the other hand side, we sit on a very strong order book. Our order book in Germany and in the other European market brings us till beginning of the fourth quarter of this year.

Now with production being available on a much, much better level and in line with customer orders, we are confident to manage this period in a very, very good manner. We have in particular also in Europe, a very strong demand for all electric for all electric cars. Now, Patrick, CapEx capital allocation. As we've already discussed in several meetings, we are planning and as I've outlined the reasons, to invest in particular in the ramp up of e-mobility, investing in Europe, in the $1.7 billion.

On the other hand side, as I said, the environment is volatile and therefore it makes a lot of sense to remain flexible. On one hand side to continue programs like the share buyback program whenever the situation is as it is right now, so solid. We are confident to on one hand side deliver strong cash flows. On the other hand side, have enough room to maneuver if needed to act. If we would have something in mind, Patrick, I would not announce it now in the Q1 call, but we would have the flexibility, of course, thanks to our strong liquidity and cash position.

Speaker 11

Good. Thank you very much.

Patrick Hummel
Head of European and Global Autos Sector Research, UBS

I see. You wanna leave a big savings account to your-

Speaker 11

Okay.

Patrick Hummel
Head of European and Global Autos Sector Research, UBS

Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thank you. Last question, please.

Operator

Our last question will come from Henning Cosman from Barclays. Star 6 will allow you to unmute, Henning.

Henning Cosman
European Head of Automotive Research, Barclays

Hi. Thank you. Good afternoon. Nicolas, thank you very much for the very comprehensive pricing comments. I wanted to come back maybe in that context. I found very interesting what you said on contribution margin, wanting to discuss contribution margin for the BEV parity rather than cost parity. Can you just confirm that the difference is price, with respect to contribution margin and how you see that developing? My understanding is you want to keep pricing perhaps higher than internal combustion engine costs to help achieve that contribution parity. Maybe you could just talk about this a little bit more, not least in the context of course, the price pressure that Tesla has brought into that market segment.

Sort of on the same topic with the prices, while I really appreciate the detailed comments, you've also confused me a little bit because that sounded all really constructive. At the same time, I understand that you're also seeing potential pressure from the new car pricing in the further course of the year, which is a part of the reason for your still more conservative guidance drifting back into the range. If you could clarify that. Then if I can squeeze in one last one. Just on the headwind bucket of supplier costs specifically, can you give us any kind of magnitude?

I mean, I appreciate that's perhaps again something that you don't wanna discuss in a public earnings call. Just in a sort of rough magnitude, if that's one of the larger buckets or if you think you end up with a relatively minor headwind, that would be really helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Yes. Thank you very much, Henning. Nicolas, please.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Henning, maybe start with 1. Contribution parity is not only focused, of course, on drivetrain. Drivetrain plays an important role, the ambition with Neue Klasse is to be, if we compare products to each other, to be on contribution parity. When we say, well, Neue Klasse will significantly contribute to achieve this target, it's not only related to the 6th generation of battery cells, but it's also to the impacted in a positive way, by the way a Neue Klasse is designed, produced, and so on. We are confident to achieve. Of course, pricing plays an important role. Potential pressure.

What I've described is what we experience today, what we experience today. This is, of course, no guarantee for the quarters to come. This is exactly one of the reasons why we are on one hand side confident, from the quarters to come. We remain very careful, and we observe exactly what's going on in the various markets. Headwind from supplier cost plays an important...

Is a relevant headwind, and this is why we have set up together with our colleagues from procurement, from purchasing division an initiative where we discuss in detail with our top 100 suppliers, what can be done in order to mitigate, to reduce those headwinds. I'm confident that despite those headwinds, we are well on track to achieve our EBITDA margin corridor of 8%- 10%. As I said, based on our today's situation, we are confident to end up in the upper parts that's included in this guidance.

Speaker 11

Okay, thank you very much.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Thank you very much.

Speaker 11

All the best.

Yes. Thank you very much, Henning. Ladies and gentlemen, before we conclude, I would also like to sincerely thank Nicolas Peter. Nicolas, you have been with the BMW Group for 32 years, and our CFO since 2017. Next week, you will hand over your position to Walter Mertl. This conference call was your last of a total of 19 quarterly conferences. In addition, you led 7 annual conferences. You are not only an absolute finance expert, but a true strategist, and you have always guaranteed the BMW Group's profitability, even in volatile times. Dear Nicolas, it was an honor and a pleasure to work with you. I would like to thank you personally as well as on behalf of all our employees at the BMW Group.

By the way, ladies and gentlemen, I think we have another guest on the line who would also like to say a few words. Tim, please go ahead. The line is open for you.

Tim Rokossa
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Yeah. Thank you, Max. Nicolas, We few of us discussed about it, and I was picked to summarize this, but I know that I speak on behalf of all of us on the call today. As you prepare to embark on your next chapter, we really also wanted to take that moment to express our sincere gratitude for the many years of collaboration insights that you shared with us. I can tell you it's gonna be really hard to imagine a BMW call and event without you. Your leadership and the ability in particular to express numbers to us has been instrumental in how the capital market sees BMW and our understanding of the business. Many of us have been very fortunate to have had the opportunity to work closely with you over many years in many different settings and countries.

We've always been not just impressed by your dedication and professionalism, but what made it really special, and this is something that Max also already said with full year results, is that on a personal level, your sense of humor and your kindness have made our interactions a real joy, and I'm very grateful for the personal connection that we built over the years. Now to let everyone else in on a little secret, you always say you have a very strong cost focus, but clearly you missed out on 1 very big opportunity. You've been publicly praised just by Max again for your very strategic thinking of being a CFO. You've also been very passionate for marketing.

I remember you literally moving shares and tables and causing nightmares for all its technicians when you started rearranging the furniture for the fire sessions we had.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Yeah.

Tim Rokossa
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Just so the background actually looked a little bit nicer. I'd say you could have probably easily taken over that responsibility on the board level as well and save on Pieter Nota's position for brand and sales. Obviously, just a bit of joking. Once again, that is proof for your professionalism and passion. I can tell you there was never as much demand for a farewell dinner with my fellow analysts as high as it is for you. We clearly all hope to stay in touch. We look forward to seeing your next step. Thank you very much, Nicolas, for being a great discussion partner over so many years from all of us.

Nicolas Peter
CFO, BMW Group

Tim, a big thank you for your really very kind words. Dear colleagues, well, as you know, I really appreciate it, the dialogue with all of you. Independent, by the way, how our results were. Independent, because for us to develop our strategy and as you know, the BMW Group and we are in the boardroom, we spend a lot of time to think about our strategy to develop our long-term plan. Outside view is extremely relevant. Outside view is extremely relevant.

This is where you definitely supported the development of our strategy because in our discussions, and I know you not only talk to us, you talk to all the other OEMs, you talk to the suppliers, you talk to the industry. This is giving us a much broader perspective in which direction industry, suppliers, other OEMs are heading. This is why I always personally also appreciated as the dialogue with all of you. I hope to see the one or the other out of this group at other occasions. Stay healthy, follow the BMW Group with a positive attitude.

I'm very convinced that, the group is, extremely well, on track. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 11

Thanks a lot, Nicolas. It was a pleasure. Now we clap all your hands together. All the best. Thank you very much for your attention, and we see each other. Bye.

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