Earnings Call: Q4 2020

Mar 10, 2021

Dear, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Full Year 2020 Results Call of Brenttec SE. At our customers' request, this conference will be recorded. As a reminder, all participants will be in a listen only mode. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask May I May I now hand you over to Brandtach's CEO, Mr. Christian Kolbeiner. Please go ahead. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the results Call for the full year 2020 of Brantac SE. My name is Christian Kruppantner, and I'm here together with our CFO, Georg Muller. Together, we will walk you through our business development in the past year. I would like to start with a review of 2020, and Georg will provide further details on the financials. As always, Gjoerg and I are both happy to answer any questions you might have after our presentation. 2020 was an extraordinary year for Brandtag. Among different topics, the COVID-nineteen pandemic and our comprehensive transformation program project Brandtach plays an important part. At the beginning of 2020, COVID-nineteen Started to impact our business and private lives significantly. Brantag very early implemented a global crisis management and the measures to counteract the impacts of the pandemic and to protect the health and safety of our employees and business partners paid off. Throughout the year, we managed to maintain our supply chains uninterrupted and deliver products to our customers. This was greatly appreciated by the market. This crisis management is still in place and continues its work as we speak. 2020 was also an extraordinary year for me personally as I started as the CEO of Brantac. At the same time, we initiated a holistic analysis with a focus on the long term positioning of our company. In course of last year, This analysis was transferred into what we call Project Brandtach today. Project Brantag is one of the most comprehensive global transformation programs of our company with the objective to strengthen and to expand our position as the global market leader. With this, We have identified various efficiency measures that are expected to deliver an additional operating EBITDA of EUR 220,000,000 in total in the full year 2023, ramping up year by year. We implemented 2 global divisions, Brandtag Essentials and Brandtag Specialties, And the go live of this new setup took place on January 1, 2021. The 2 divisions are headed by our Chief operating officers, Stephen Torvint for Brandtag Essentials and Ori Nezhard for Brandtag Specialties. Also since January, the new composition of the management board has been completed. We are delighted to welcome our new Chief Transformation Officer, Ewald van Jawade, who will, amongst others, be responsible For the implementation of Project Brantac and the overall transformation process, the development of our digital transformation as well as Functional Excellence. Ladies and gentlemen, the financial performance for the full year 2020 has been strong Despite the very challenging macroeconomic and operational conditions caused by the pandemic, our high diversification by countries and by industry segments helped us mitigating the risks caused by the pandemic. Also, Our excellent, stable and reliable supplier base as well as our long standing customer relationships were decisive to navigate well through 2020. Brandtag once again proved the resilience of its business model. The group generated an operating gross profit of €2,850,000,000 which is an increase of 3.3% compared to previous year on a constant currency basis. Operating EBITDA grew even more and reached EUR 1,058,000,000. On a constant currency basis, this is an increase of 8.3% compared to 2019. The development of the free cash flow was once again particularly strong. Free cash flow amounted to 1.05 EUR 5,000,000,000 compared to the already strong EUR 837,000,000 in 2019. Our earnings per share amounted to €3.02 for the full year 2020. With this performance, Brandtach once again proved the resilience of its business model, particularly in times of crisis. I will talk about the status of Project Brantac in more detail later. Finally, The management board, together with the supervisory board, are going to propose a dividend of €1.35 to the General Shareholders Meeting mid of June this year. In 2020, we have acquired 3 companies located in the United States, in Thailand and in Taiwan with a total enterprise value of €46,000,000 Here, we only talk about targets that have been closed in 2020. Further targets have been signed, but closing takes place within the next couple of months. Although the amount spent is lower than in previous years, There are no major changes in our M and A approach going forward. We continue to allocate some €200,000,000 to €250,000,000 Four acquisitions per year. We also continue to sharpen our focus towards emerging markets and Asia, in particular, China. We want to grow in selected industry segments and strive to identify targets delivering a more sizable operating EBITDA contribution. In 2021, we already started executing this approach. Our acquisition of Zhongbai Xinjie In Mainland China was a first important step in this direction. Zhongbai Xinye distributes a variety of specialty food ingredients, including dairy products and proteins. With the first stake, we acquired 2 thirds of the company for an enterprise value of €90,000,000 The second tranche To gain a 100 percent ownership is intended for 2024. Closing of the first tranche of this acquisition is expected in the first half of this year. Dear ladies and gentlemen, overall, 2020 was a successful year for us. We showed excellent financial results. We worked intensively on project Brantag and continued on our M and A path. With this, I will now hand over to Georg, who will lead you through our financials in more detail. Thanks, Christian, and good afternoon. I would speak about the key financial figures for the full year 2020, Starting with the development of operating EBITDA from the full year 2019 into the full year 2020. You might remember operating EBITDA amounted to €1,200,000,000 for 2019. The translation of foreign exchange effect amounted to a negative €25,000,000 and our acquisitions contributed €18,000,000 Europe, Middle East, Africa, Latin America and Asia Pacific Showed very strong organic operating EBITDA growth rates. EMEA reported plus 17% And Latin America and Asia Pacific showed 25% 20%, respectively. Our region North America declined by 7% organically, and that is mainly driven by the continued weak demand in the oil and gas and lubricants industries. On group level, we reported operating EBITDA growth of 6% organically, which we deem a strong achievement. The overall market has seen a volume decline in 20 Due to the COVID-nineteen pandemic, but we were able to offset the volume decline by higher gross profit per unit. On the next page, let me provide some more details on the business development in each Overall, the performance was supported by several industries, personal care, Cleaning, pharma developed particularly well. In EMEA, we saw strong results throughout the year. We benefited from strong margin management and were able to overcompensate the declines in volume by higher operating gross profit per unit. Operating EBITDA in EMEA increased by 19% on an FX adjusted basis, and the growth is almost entirely related to organic business development. North America faced several headwinds in 2020 that led to overall weak Somewhat unsatisfying results. The main headwind in the region was related to the weakness in the oil and gas and Lubricants Industries. Last year, we suffered a reduction of around EUR 74,000,000 Gross profit in the oil and gas industry. That is a decline of 24% compared to 2019. Within the oil and gas value chain, the upstream business was weakest with a decline of around 60%. From the figures, you can notice the relevance of the oil and gas decline on our overall North American results. Many other parts of our North American business actually developed positively. To counteract, we applied very stringent cost management and decreased operating expenses by 5% on an FX adjusted basis. Operating gross profit declined by 5.6% and also operating EBITDA declined by 6.6%, Both FX adjusted. If I look at the organic level, operating EBITDA in North America decreased by 7% organically. Latin America reported strong results in 2020. We all know the The continent was hit hard by the COVID-nineteen pandemic, but we were clearly able to demonstrate the resiliency of our business model in the region. On a constant currency, operating gross profit grew by around 17% and operating EBITDA increased significantly by around 27%. Organically, that represents 25%. Finally, on Asia Pacific, a very successful year. While the region was hit early by the pandemic, We saw a clear sequential recovery, particularly China recovered quickly and sustainably. In this environment, the region reported an increase of operating gross profit of around 9%. Operating EBITDA increased by around 26%, and organically, the EBITDA increase represents 20%. Across the region and in many industries, we managed to achieve a highly positive performance. Let me summarize. 2020 was an extraordinary year. The pandemic forced us to even more focus on maintaining our supply chains and on tight cost management, and we managed that well. In these very specific economic conditions, We were again able to grow our earnings and report very good results for 2020. I'll skip Page 9, which gives you more details on the segment reporting. And I move to Page 10 that focuses on the Q4. So the EBITDA bridge for Q4 2020 shows very similar trends as the full year We report a negative FX translation effect of €15,000,000 EMEA and Asia Pacific both grew strongly on an organic basis with 19% 13%, respectively. The group's operating EBITDA grew nicely by 14% organically. In our income statement on Slide 11, I particularly want to focus on the lines below operating EBITDA. We report special items amounting to an expense of €47,000,000 and these items are mainly related to cost Depreciation amounted to €252,000,000 Slightly higher than 2019. Financial result amounted to a net expense of around €80,000,000 And the earnings per share stood at €3.02 That is stable compared to 2019, And that figure is after digesting the special items. The cash flow has developed very positively in 2020. We report a free cash flow of more than €1,000,000,000 This is the highest free cash flow the company has ever achieved. Compared to previous year, this represents a very significant increase of more than €200,000,000 The increase in free cash flow can be attributed to several factors. First of all, we were able to grow our operating EBITDA. CapEx spending stood at €202,000,000 for the full year. And finally, we saw significant cash inflows from the reductions of working capital. This is an area We have put increased focus on from the beginning of 2020. We expect a strong cash flow also for this year, However, not at the same level as for 2020. The high cash in from working capital reductions It's highly unlikely to be repeatable. How did we make use of the free cash flow? We paid €251,000,000 for interest And taxes, payments for M and A amounted to €46,000,000 And finally, in June last year, we paid a dividend for the fiscal year 2019 in in an amount of €193,000,000 On Page 13, you can see our gross financial liabilities amount €1,600,000,000 The difference to 2019 is mainly related to a repayment of a revolving credit Facility of €340,000,000 in the Q4 last year. Part of our strong free cash flow was used to repay this revolving credit facility. Due to the significant decrease of net debt and the very good operating EBITDA, Our leverage now stands at 1.3x. You do know that we frequently point to a leverage target of 2x. We will monitor cash flow performance going forward and examine how we maintain an efficient capital structure. I'm coming to working capital. Working capital amounted to €1,300,000,000 at the end of last year compared to €1,700,000,000 end of 2019. So the balance sheet decrease is more than €400,000,000 More importantly, we turned the working capital 7.3x, which is a good improvement compared to the 7x in 2019. For the full year, we put higher focus on working capital returns, which now continuously pays off. We deem these developments a strong success in our working capital as well as cash flow management. And in summary, we are very satisfied with the financial results 2020. We delivered healthy earnings growth and an outstanding free cash flow and continue to have a balanced and sound Financial Profile. Before I hand the presentation back, let me come to our dividend payments. The management board and supervisory board will propose a dividend of €1.35 per share for the 2020 financial year to the General Shareholders Meeting mid of June. Since our IPO now more than 10 years ago, We have pursued a consistent dividend policy and managed to increase the dividend payments for our shareholders each and every year. In terms of net income, the proposed dividend represents a payout ratio of 45%. In total, we will pay more than €200,000,000 to our shareholders. This concludes my introductory remarks on the financials, And I'll hand it over back to Christian. Well, thank you, Georg. I would now like to talk in a bit more detail On the current status of Project Brantag and the progress we have made so far. Project Brantag addresses the different needs of our various stakeholder groups. After providing a comprehensive information on the program At the Capital Markets update end of last year, Brandtach received very positive feedback from the different stakeholders, including suppliers, customers and investors. The transformation program was implemented to form a strong basis to drive our organic earnings growth. We see a multitude of benefits for our business partners and our people. Our new operating model will service our Customers with a distinct approach even better and faster. Secondly, our initiatives within the go to market approach will promote a more focused client interaction thirdly, our improved site network will increase customer proximity And finally, a more performance orientated culture will enable our leaders and employees to unfold the full potential and provide opportunities for personal development and growth. Currently, we are consequently working on the step by step implementation of our project Brantag initiatives To achieve an additional operating EBITDA of €200,000,000 in total for the full year 2023, ramping up year by year. Today, we would also like to provide further details on the time line of our transformation program. Beginning of 2020, we started Phase 1 of Project Brantac, which was a comprehensive diagnosis of our company. The second half of twenty twenty was characterized by defining our targets and the deliverables as well as initiating the quick win measures. Here, we also focused on the preparation of the go live of our 2 global divisions, Brantag Essentials and Brantag Specialties. Currently, we are in Phase 3 of Project Brantag focusing on execution planning and implementation. We have established our new operating model and are now about to create line management responsibility for the implementation Of all measures, we see maximum degree of granularity. We started tracking our performance and are executing the improvement levers. Phase 4 will then start in the second half of this year Our focus lies on the continuous ramp up of the operating EBITDA uplift through Project Brandtag by fine tuning the target organization and especially focusing on functional excellence. The go live of our new business divisions Took place in January this year. Internally, we have been working on the business reporting according to our new setup. We will start to report according to our new structure in the Q1 this year. Also, we saw first positive impacts from our short term initiatives, the so called quick wins already. With regards to cost development for Project Brantag, we reported around €47,000,000 one off costs in 2020. This is more than 10% of the total costs of EUR 370,000,000 allocated to Project Brantag. Furthermore, we have set up the customer segmentation we announced at our Capital Markets Update in November and accordingly have reallocated our sales organization. With regards to our site network optimization, we are on track With the optimization of our route planning and also with the consolidation of some sites. In Q4 last year, we have also finalized the new composition of our leadership team below the management board. For this new global leadership team, we have set up a new incentive scheme, both for short term and long term incentives, which is fully aligned with our annual operating EBITDA growth ambitions, the full 2023 impact Expected from Project Brantag and our medium term growth targets. Coming to the results we have achieved with Project Brantag so far. Our pricing and indirect procurement initiatives are well underway. We were able to improve our working capital turns from 7% to 7.3% year over year. We reduced our headcount structurally by almost 200 people. We have closed 30 sites globally already. As Phase 2 is completed with full year 2020, We can report an operating EBITDA contribution of the project Rentag measures to our full year results in an amount of approximately €15,000,000 Ladies and gentlemen, now let's come to the outlook for 2021. We all know that COVID-nineteen will stay with us Well into this year. Therefore, we still have to cope with the impacts of the pandemic around the globe, And we expect a continued high level of uncertainty regarding the macroeconomic development, in particular for the first half of this year. We managed this difficult situation well and are convinced that we are also well prepared for the challenges to come in 2021. We are on track with the implementation of the measures and initiatives of Project Brantac. Against the background of the changes we have implemented already and the details we continue to work on, 2021 Will be a year of transformation for Brantag. Since January, we steer our company in the new organizational setup. In line with this, we will change our external reporting and publish our results for the group and for our new two divisions, Brandtach Essentials and Brandtach Specialties, starting with our Q1 2021 reporting. In addition, we will stick to our proven M and A approach and will now increase our focus on more sizable targets and Dedicated Geographies. So what do we expect with regards to our financial performance this As mentioned earlier, 2021 will again be characterized by a high level of uncertainty. The virus will continue to impact macroeconomics around the globe, at least in the first half of twenty twenty one. In addition, 2021 will be a year of transformation for us. Nevertheless, for the first time, We would like to provide guidance for our operating EBITDA development quite early in the year. For the full year 2021, Brandtag expects an operating EBITDA between €1,080,000,000 and 1.18 €1,000,000,000 This range includes organic growth expectations, benefits from Project Brenntag as well as the M and A contributions from our already closed deals. Moreover, it assumes FX rates that remains stable on current levels. And with this, I would like to conclude the presentation. And now Gjoerg and I are more than happy to answer Your questions. Thank you. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer And the first question is coming in from Rory McKenzie from UBS. Please go ahead. Good afternoon, everyone. It's Rory here. 3 from me, please. Firstly, can you give more detail on the gross profit drivers by volume and gross profit per ton. Q4 constant currency gross profit was plus 7% year on year compared to minus 0.2% in Q3. So what drove that change? Secondly, within your guidance, What are you assuming for gross profit per tonne this year, given we're now seeing product prices are rising and last year, it was quite an abnormal environment. And then finally, could you comment on where you expect leverage to end the year, Excluding potential M and A. I know you had a great year for cash flow and so leverage is starting at a low level. But obviously, working capital will somewhat reverse and Brenntag should see a big increase in cash restructuring costs and CapEx spend. Those 3, Well, thank you, Rory. I think all those three questions, I will ask Georg to Yes, I'll provide insights. Rory, hi, good afternoon. Good speaking to you. When it comes to the volume versus gross profit dynamic In the year and in Q4, then Q4 has kind of a similarity, I would say, to Q2. Volumes have been in Q4 relatively flattish, but gross profit marginally down. But gross profit per unit has been strong, as strong as we have seen it earlier in the year. And that leads to the highly To the high growth rate in gross profit in Q4. What do we expect for this year? Not that easy to say because it's not untypical in chemical distribution that Volumes and gross profit per unit kind of breathe against each other. So if we were to see a nice volume rebound, Then I would not be surprised if we see some for mix driven, some gross profit per ton compression. But if the volumes stay on the benign levels, which we are currently on, I would fully expect us to go through the year with the high gross profit per ton rate that we have seen before. I know there is still the leverage question outstanding, but did I so far answer the first two questions? Yes, that's very helpful. Maybe just on that gross profit per tonne outlook because I guess through the worst of the pandemic, The first lockdowns, there was obviously huge uncertainty in the market. The product prices fell. There was a big channel shift in some areas. Does that not set a very abnormal level of gross profit per tonne? Or are you confident that in this volume environment, you could sustain that at the high level. Maybe it is an uncertain word. In that sense, I can only make an uncertain statement. But we do feel that the gross profit per tonne on the business mix we are currently having is on reasonable levels. I would not Say that we are currently operating on an abnormal level. Okay. Thank you. When it comes to leverage or Let me more answer the question in cash flow terms maybe. You have seen the free cash flow of €1,055,000,000 for last year and that's supported by €300,000,000 release of liquidity from working capital. So those 300 will in all likelihood not be repeated. In absence of any further measures, I would expect the leverage to go down a little from where we are currently, But not with the huge big step that you have seen from 2019 to 2020. I know I'm awaiting an answer to a degree, But there were so many moving parts, working capital development, project, Brenntag cost, M and A, it's difficult to be more precise. Understood. That's all really helpful background. Thank you very much. The next question is coming Madeluk Gundogan from ABN AMRO. Please go ahead. Yes. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for taking the questions. First, on the guidance. So the midpoint of the range is €1,130,000,000 And assuming currencies is a negative €30,000,000 and M and A is a positive €10,000,000 that would imply organic growth of some €90,000,000 in your guidance, I. E, 8% year on year. Can you tell us how you see the various components of that €90,000,000, I. E, Ie, what have you assumed for volume growth or change in gross profit margins? And I understand this comes back to the previous questions. But also what's the net cost savings you have on Project Brantac? That would be very helpful. And then secondly, on EMEA specific, you already alluded To also hear a very strong gross profit margin, difficult to make any forecast, but how has it developed throughout the first Quarter of this year, what are you seeing so far? And then thirdly, on North America, Can you tell us what the headwind on gross profit and EBITDA was in Q4 from the weak oil and gas business and lubricant markets. I'll keep it at those 3. Thank you. Georg, maybe I take On the guidance, first of all, I would point out that this is the first time in our publicly listed history Let me give a specific EBITDA range this early in the year, and we think at reasonable rates of €100,000,000 So we are more specific than we have been in earlier years already. How would I look at it structurally? We ended last year at €1,58,000,000 obviously. In all likelihood, FX, as you pointed out, will be a negative translation this year. So if dollar euro trade around 120, 2021, which we have seen most of January February, then I would actually say it's more negative €40,000,000 than a negative €30,000,000 So that takes the fair starting point down to say, EUR 1,020,000,000 And that €120,000,000 already includes, as we laid out, €15,000,000 project Brantac benefits that we already generated last year. So if you take the €20,000,000 up to the lower end of the guidance range, not the midpoint, The lower end of the guidance range, it's an additional €60,000,000 which we feel as a strong commitment in this uncertain world And that does include mostly project Rentag benefits. But then we tell you and the market there is a clear On top of that, and that upside would be underlying organic growth of the business or even higher benefits of project Brenntag. That's how we suggest to think about it structurally. And apologies, I haven't responded to the M and A point. The guidance range includes the M and A that was closed at the time of publishing the report, and that would be below €10,000,000 If you included the Chinese acquisition already, that would indeed come on top. So that's how we would suggest to think Structurally about the guidance, I beg your pardon. I can't really be more specific with respect to lower end this point, upper end or Or split into more components. I understand. It's very helpful. When it comes to the question EMEA situation and how did we move from Q4 into Q1 this year, I would generally say for the group and that includes EMEA or specifically EMEA, so positive trajectory continues so far. Obviously, last year, the market changed significantly in March, April and May last year, and we had Extremely good results in March, April, May last year. So there is a hill to climb now. But so far, we are seeing a very good trajectory. The last question was about oil and gas headwind in Q4. I would have to look up the exact number, but we have not seen much of a relief in Q4. So we are still in oil and gas in North America, About roughly 25% down against previous year. Thank you very much. You're welcome, Mutti. The next question is coming in from Simona Sali from Bank of America. Please So you already disclosed how much was the positive contribution from Project Brenntag in 2020. Could you give a rough indication on the phasing of the remaining €205,000,000 in 2021, 2023, 2023. And second question, So on working capital, you said that improvement was a combination of the benefits from Project Brantag as well as obviously the contraction in volumes. Can you give an idea of what is Can you give an idea of what is sustainable as a working capital as a percentage of revenues Going forward, so how much of this improvement was related to Project Brenntag? And third question, How should we think about Q1, especially in North America, considering the bad weather impacting Texas and other southern state in February. Thank you. Simona, hi, it's Georg. I'm hesitating to split out the 2.20 benefit from Project Brantag exactly to the financial years. We said in the Capital Market Update and we stand behind it, it's a somewhat front loaded ramp up. So we have seen some steps already, probably a little bit earlier than we expected ourselves. So some benefit already in 2020, And we'll see another meaningful amount this year. The exact split will ultimately depend on how fast we are This is site network optimization, which is where the timing is not fully in our hands. And on the acceleration of the headcount reduction There, as you know, we seek an alignment with all the different workers' representatives in the different countries, And we highly strive for a solution that is agreeable to everybody. So I can't give you an exact But the statement that it will be a front loaded ramp up does stand. The working capital reduction that led To a cash in of a little bit more than €300,000,000 last year, I would have to go back to the exact details. But Order of magnitude, I would say half of it is sales driven, so volume and price driven. And in that sense, that half kind of depends on future market and business development. The other half, So the other €150,000,000 €160,000,000 are a clear improvement in working capital turn in course of 2020, and we would expect That to be sustainable. And I'll give it over to Christian for the weather in North American question. Yes. Simona, thanks for bringing this topic up because it is indeed an interesting and quite challenging topic because out of Various reasons. Two major points. First of all, our direct impact. That means that Our locations being shut down due to the severe weather conditions that actually happened in February are not insignificant. So we had Regional operating companies who couldn't deliver products for 4, 5 days roughly because we just simply couldn't get the material on the road and deliver to our Secondly, more severe is, of course, the strains this event has put on the Already tight supply chains in the United States. I think I'm quoting chemically weak numbers here. When you look at the U. S. Ethylene supply, 78% was shut down. When you look on the C3 value chain, which is probably the most critical one, 60% to 5% of U. S. Propylene capacity was shut down. So it tells you that Also the whole value chain even into vinyl chloride, into chlorine, into caustic soda, all are currently severely under stress. And we have More than 30 force majeres are now globally announced by large chemical manufacturers. So currently supply And maintaining supply to our customers is the biggest challenge we are facing right now. Okay. Thank you. If I may, sorry, just one last one. You mentioned at the beginning of your presentation That consistently with implementation of Project Brantag, you are now introducing a new incentive scheme also for mid level management. Could you maybe provide a little bit more color on how that has changed? Thank you. Yes. Again, we talk about the global leadership team. This is level 1, level 2 below the board Of Brenntag, so basically the top 100 leaders of this company roughly. And the changes we have made are in both areas, in the short term incentive and in the long term incentive. It's now this whole group has a uniform incentive scheme, independent whether they are in a business whether they are in the business service function, they are heavily centered around financial KPIs, About 70% of the short term incentive is leaning towards financial performance targets. This is number 1, The organic EBITDA growth, which is almost half of that financial performance indicators, which we are incentivizing, Then working capital turns as the second And we have basically made sure that actually those Measures are also tightly knitted to the project Brenntag deliverable. So there are also clearly expectations on the individual Project Brenntag measures and how they are implemented. So the line responsibility of that individual is also reflected in that KPIs, which we are using here on the short term incentive. More importantly, on the long term incentive, We have created a long term incentive, which is clearly directed towards the EUR 220,000,000 EBITDA upside. And here we are very digital. If the EUR 220 are reached, there will be a target achievement of 100% in the long term incentive plan. If it falls €1 below, the payout is 0. So this is a clear, clear incentivization for delivering the €220,000,000 Which we have promised to the market. Thank you. That's very helpful. The next Questions are coming from Rajesh Kumar from HSBC. Please go ahead. Could you give us some color on how much expense have you Cash expense have been budgeted for Project Brenntag in the current year. Just that would give Some handle on the cash flow modeling aspect of it. Then second question, obviously, your The medium term objective is to reduce the working capital. We had A big unwind last year. No one expects that to repeat, especially if you get back in the growth mode. But over the next 2 or 3 years, what are the various levers you could pull on the working capital side? That Very helpful to understand. And finally, as you're going in the release, you mentioned that You had very positive comments from customers and suppliers. Could you give us some flavor of what sort of discussions You had with the suppliers and customers. And can you identify new opportunities out of it? Or are they just supportive of the transition? So what do you mean by cost? Could you qualify that a bit better, please? I will hand over the first two questions to Georg and then I will take it up on the customer discussion. Pratje, hi, good afternoon. Cash out for project Brenntag. So as a reminder for the group maybe, the CHF 370,000,000 Total one off cash out that we called out in November last year is roughly onethree CapEx. So say euros 20,000,000 CapEx and €250,000,000 expenses, where the €250,000,000 expenses will be reported below operating EBITDA. Out of the budget, if you want to call it that, of €250,000,000 expenses, we had €47,000,000 already last year. So a Fair degree is already digested. How much we will spend this year Kind of depends on the speed of the negotiation with the workers' representatives on TE reduction and on the speed of our site network optimization. Our best guess for this year is that it will be a number that comes Close to €100,000,000 maybe a little less than €100,000,000 but it's the timing is a little difficult to predict. Either way, we are only talking about shift between periods. The CapEx part of it It's mostly related to major projects in the site network optimization and that will be more back end loaded. So I wouldn't expect much of an additional CapEx this year actually. When it comes to The question on future working capital management, I don't want to beat the same rush over again, but I think we had a strong trajectory in course of last year already. And the first step we have to ensure this year is Ensuring that the levels are sustainable that we reached by now through increased focus and management attention and what have you. There are further steps to come Midterm down the road, but these need more analytical tools, I would say, in the area of for example, in the area of inventory management. So far, we mostly rely today on the experience of inventory managers, but we will for sure implement more analytical tools Going forward, and I would also expect more benefits from the much improved customer segmentation Where we can and will take much more analytical decisions on payment terms given to customers So that would be my 2, and I'll pass it over to Christian. Yes. I spent significant time with our large suppliers and large Sometimes they are the same because being the role Brantac plays in the chemical industry, most of our large suppliers are also, of course, large customers of ours for different products. But overall, when you talk to our key suppliers, The reoccurring team theme which comes up is actually that they show a very high interest of whether we are really able to replicate the strategies to make them successful in their markets. And here, clearly, the creation Of the 2 divisions, essentials and specialties, is really, really intriguing to those key suppliers, in particular in the specialties Because they see that actually we're not only talking about being the largest specialty chemicals distributor in the world. We are also acting and putting our organization in line with that role in which we have in that position that we have. And here, there are, I would say, from a character and from a quality of discussion, they There are now totally different discussions, possible because we have added this credibility of that we not only talk, but we To put the organization in place to do it. There are, out of that movement, interesting opportunities coming up. Typically, People understand much more and much better also in the specialties field what we can do for them. And we show much stronger and much clearer and transparently Our technological capabilities, our application know how, our labs we have globally, so this is quite convincing. And we have now, I must say quite intensive talks of how can we leverage, let's say, what we do for a certain customer, for a certain supplier in a certain country Or a region, how can we actually leverage this globally? And secondly, also we have discussions because we have now capabilities, as one example, In sensitive areas like in pharma that we can offer now also global quality agreements, which allows to our suppliers and our customers that we can replicate their needs everywhere in the world. And that's, I think, getting more transparent and more clear to those customers and suppliers. And this is why the feedback overall is Very positive. Understood. That's really helpful color. Just one dimension, Perhaps if you could clarify, I mean, I know for certain a lot of people were surprised to see how large your specialty chemical unit was when you developed it, right? So Did you find that level of surprise from your customers as well? Or were they aware of your skill? I think on the surface, probably yes. And even we remember, we were talking about our specialties business being A certain percentage or being roughly a third of our business. And now we have the transparency and now we show really what it is. The same, I must say, is true also for customers and suppliers. They know that we are big. They know that we have a strong position. But they have not really felt yet what are really our capabilities. And with this kind of more focused sales approach we are Taking and focusing only on our capabilities we have in the specialties, it comes from many of them as a surprise, as I just mentioned, being able To have global quality agreements in place, that's actually a competitive advantage Brantac has And we'll work on and develop further of being the largest player and being represented in 77 countries in the So I believe we shortened that approach. We make it more clear. We make it more visible. And thus, we are positive that this The next question is coming from Peter Olofsen from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Yes, good afternoon. First of all, a follow-up question on the guidance. In the annual report, you indicate that you expect The Essentials business to outgrow the sorry, the Specialties business to outgrow the Essentials business, is that purely a reflection of the Especially these markets are growing faster? Or is it also because you need a bit more time For your performance and execution in the Essentials business to improve. And my second question is on the Oil and Gas Business in North America, where you gave an indication of the declines that you have seen there. Is it fair to say now that this business has stabilized? And if so, what do you think is the recovery potential for this business? Yes. I'll take those. Maybe Christian wants to add. Peter, good afternoon. So the difference in growth rate that we expect for Essentials and Specialties is mostly, if not completely, underlying market. So we fully trust in the capabilities and with the potential of our Essentials business. But as we all know, the underlying market is growing somewhat slower than the specialty market. That drives our statement. Oil and Gas, sequentially, the business has stabilized since several months already. But if you look into the trajectory of comparables, Then I would have to go back to my data, but basically the business came down, if I remember correctly, mostly March April last year. So that is why you TILT see in Q4 and probably also beginning of this year negative year over year growth rates. But sequentially, the business has stabilized, and I would not expect the negative growth rate year over year to continue for much longer. I'll ask Christian for help on the recovery potential. No, I see it's quite similar. So I would say The oil and gas downturn, in my point of view, will bottom out now. We see Oil price is stabilizing. You see a huge constraint on supply chains, which typically supports pricing. OPEC is very disciplined To our surprise, so that the oil price actually is going up quite nicely since, I would say, 3, 4 months. And now, of course, everything depends on is drilling activity and other activities in the U. S. Coming back. Certainly, the harsh winter shock in February didn't help in that respect. So one needs to be seen, and one needs to see But I believe the oil and gas business is on a track to read of being stabilized and then gradually recovering. How quick and how fast nobody knows at Okay. Thank you. The next question It's coming from Markus Mayer from Baader. Please go ahead, sir. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I have 2 questions as well. First question the first two questions are more circling around the competitive environment. Coming back to the supply chain disruptions. As you are the largest chemical institution company on earth, I guess you should have better supply security than smaller. And therefore, my question is, do you think that you can further gain market share, not only in the U. S, but also as there's disruptions also In Europe and Europe and Europe and Asia, that we basically can gain market share globally. That will be my first question. My second question would be more on the overall effect of this And also potential consolidation a lot of that. Do you think that the pandemic effect and also The stricter REACH regulations or kind of stricter regulations, but also digitalization, Together this pandemic has or will accelerate consolidation. That's my second question. And the last question would be On the COVID vaccines and potentially the delivery Hi, Brandtag. Of this call, Zackslex, could be extra business for Brandtag? Or is it kind of extra business that you're serving former customers with Feynca Metals who need this vaccine plan. Thank you. Markus, thank you very much for those three questions. Yes, I mean, on the supply chain We see these constraints, and there are many, many customers knocking on our door for product, to be very clear. And so I think we try now to navigate carefully through this tight situation and making sure that We are supplying the markets responsibly and in an appropriate manner. So I think you see the constraint on a day to day business, of Of course. Whether this leads at the end to market share gains, I think for me, it's too early to tell. Currently, we're just trying To navigate through this pipe situation, I must say, particularly in North America. On risk regulation and digitization, all the regulatory aspects of it, yes, I believe Brenntag is in a strong position to utilize those kind of developments. So we clearly need to play our role here as the world market leader and clearly also defining what that means for us and whether Consolidation is accelerating out of those two aspects. I'm not 100% sure. At least what it will do is So that the competitive pressure goes up for those who are fast movers and for those who are actually playing the digital platforms. And I've said it with many, many calls previously, the COVID pandemic has changed the interface to customers significantly. And this is something where we need to much, much more move also smaller customers and those who want actually to also digital platforms. And we see a nice trajectory in our digital sales month by month now. As we move forward, I will talk about this more in the Coming quarters and give you more transparency here. On the COVID vaccines, no, this is not a business where we are particularly Strongly distributing this extremely small quantities, extremely small lots. That's not our core business, and that's not where we are really strong. We do have Efforts in Asia, in particular in Singapore because there we have GMP warehouses, which allow us to store pharmaceuticals and store intermediates. So here we have here and there are no requests, but that's a very local and regional aspect and not cannot be generalized globally. Okay. Thank you so much. The next question is coming from Isha Sharma from Stifel. Please go ahead. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one would be on whether you could tell us what you see at your In terms of order pattern, given that most chemical companies seem to have seen a very strong Volume trends in Q4 and Q1 and how do you compare to them since you talk about volumes remaining rather muted? The second one would be for Asia. Your strategy in the past has been on increasing market share, which meant volatile conversion ratio in a rather low level. But now that you focus More on the EBITDA contribution within the region as well, does that mean that the above 40% conversion ratio is sustainable? Okay. Those two questions. Vishal, hello. Yes. The customer it's with our order book being rather thin and rather short notice. And the average Order size is €3,000 and very fast changing business. So it's really not totally predictable of How the customer order pattern is going forward and how far we can see. We have seen Gradually from Q2, Q3, Q4, a trajectory of recovering demand globally. Again, different by industry segment to industry segment, also different region by region. But nevertheless, we saw the trajectory, and we believe from What we see in current trading that this trajectory continues also well into Q1. But again, we need to Also some uncertainties and also the constrained supply chains, which is not only U. S, but it's also out of China, which you certainly have also Maybe heard from other players in the chemical industry is a severe topic right now. So one needs to see how that volume trends really, really Are developing in Q1. And also what Georg already said, we had last year in March a pretty good volume development. So I think we need See how the Q1 volume wise will play out. On Asia, I believe you can grow in Asia also with decent conversion margins. So growing in Asia is To me, not a question of margin versus volume. To some extent, it always is. But on the other hand, I believe the opportunities we have in Asia are also plentiful and And so broad that I see for us great opportunity strengthening our presence there, Also creating decent returns while doing that. And we always repeat, we are considered as one of the largest players already in China. About the chemical industry in China, we have less than 1% of market share. So that shows you what kind of Opportunities we also have in that particular market. So overall, I'm very positive on Asia, and we will continue to push and drive growth in Asia. And you saw already, I would say, in the 2020 numbers that this recipe has worked quite well. Thank you. Maybe I can squeeze just one more in. On the pricing, you've always mentioned that as a distributor, you benefit from volatility. Is that something that is also helping you with the gross profit per ton In terms of going into Q1 as well? Or is that something which is on a constantly increasing basis I think I have mentioned it several times, volatility is actually a strength Brantac has. Its Commercial force is very agile, very quick in adapting to different pricing scenarios in the market. And this is also what I learned by coming from manufacturers to distribution. Due to this fast turning business we have, we are More flexible and more agile in price management and adaptations. So volatility is actually, in our case, our friend. Right. Thank you. Thanks a lot. The next question is coming from Daniel Hobson from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Cheers, guys. Just one left for me, if I may. It's around the leverage, which is clearly below the 2 times. You've spoken about the M and A. I was wondering what is the capital allocation policy if leverage stays below 2 for quite some time? And And Spaso, building on that question, how do you see the M and A marketplace at the moment? I think you've pulled out bigger transactions. You've pulled out Asia Pacific. How is the competitive bidding process over there? I think there's a few players that are looking to grow in that region as well. And just some thoughts around that dynamic would be interesting, please. Then hi, Georg. Mahesh to respond to the leverage question. We are currently reviewing all the alternatives and options, and we are reviewing and reviewing again our cash flow plans for this year Under business perspectives, M and A, working capital considerations, I think the only thing I can say at this stage with respect To leverage, there is no idea to run the business permanently on a 1.3x or even lower leverage. Apologies, I can't say more than that currently. I think there was a second part of the question about help me again about the M and A landscape in Asia? Yes. Just around the competitive bidding around the sort transactions and how you're seeing the pipeline in that move, if that's okay. Yes, I think hi, Dan. The M and A pipeline is healthy. There are good opportunities Out there, competitive processes are, of course, also out there and sometimes Quite strong competition, I must say, for an interesting target. We stay disciplined. We Stay very clear in what we want to do and what we do not want to do. And from that perspective, I would say the pipeline is filled well. There are good opportunities for us Fulfilling those three dimensions I meant earlier with the increased focus. And so I think it's just for us at the end of the day to make one or the other target really successful, but the competitiveness is quite high right now for good assets. Perfect. Thanks, Dave. The next question is coming from Chetan Udeshi from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Yes, hi. Just a couple of questions. First one was And I mean, there is this concern in the market today that Rentec has over earned in 2020, especially during the Q2 when things were tighter to source and prices put up by Brantag and other Distributors, particularly like you already mentioned Q4, the gross profit per ton was still relatively strong. Is that a function of pricing going up? Is that a function of mix? Or is it both? I mean, the crux of the question is, do we think that is something which is one off in nature, which will normalize and create a headwind in 2021. That's the first part. And second part was comment on M and A Focusing on sort of bigger size or bigger EBITDA contribution targets, I mean, is this some sort of a Change in strategy to now focus on sort of bigger consolidation opportunities rather than just going after smaller targets or am I reading too much in the last statement. Yes. Chetan, hi, Georg. I don't think we over earn actually. I think the under earn customers and suppliers should value our services even better. No, just joking. I mean, obviously, 2020 was an extraordinary year in many, many aspects, Pricing volatility, supply chain challenges, pandemic challenges. And it's very difficult to sort out analytically All the tiny bits and pieces and how they added up to our results. I would not say That we over earned. Yes, we had specific circumstances that were difficult on the one hand, Lack of demand in certain customer industries, lack of demand generally, and we had other circumstances That helped our business. Our strong ability to manage supply chains and to Product availability to be a very reliable high quality source to our customers, but also pricing volatility in the markets that gave us Some margin opportunities. So it's more difficult than in earlier years to build a plan for 2021 based on 2020 Because of the extraordinary situation, but we are pretty confident about the earnings range That we laid out in our guidance for this year. And Chetan, on the M and A, I think Brandtach has acquired since 2007 more than 100 companies. And many, many of them being rather small and creating an enormous amount of Complexity while integrating them and while adding sites and these kind of things. So when I'm saying we are sharpening our focus Towards more meaningful or sizable targets, it just means that we are really looking into targets specifically, Which are, to some extent, moving the needle on the EBITDA for Brantac a bit. And that's naturally targets, which are in this 3 digit €1,000,000 range when we acquired them as an EV. So from that perspective, This is how you should interpret that. That does not include exclude, of course, that if there is a really Interesting topic of a smaller company where certain technology comes, for instance, with it or where we are able to close a certain white spot In our product portfolio, it's one example that we don't do it because dogmatically, we have said we don't do it. But I think the focus is shifting towards what I have Got it. Thank you. You're welcome. The next question Again, it's coming in from Matt Loegambegan. Please go ahead. Yes, thanks. I had a few follow ups. So first, on the project Brantac, the $15,000,000 contribution in Q4, would you be able to split that over the segments? That is the first. And secondly, on your operating gross profit margin, yes, you've seen an uplift in Q2 and now again in Q4. Would you be able to split that over essentials and specialties? Is one of those 2 driving that increase? And then finally, to come back to M and A. I hear you saying that you're looking for EVs of triple digits, but you also said more dedicated regions. Could you explain the latter? Are those certain countries you're looking for? And also, will the large acquisition go against Project Brantac as It would make your site footprint more complex, while at the same time you're trying to simplify it. Thanks. See, help me with your first question, Mutlu. That was looking for a split of the €15,000,000 into what? Yes. Over the regions, I. E. Segment. So how much in the EMEA, how much in North America? That will be very helpful. Oh, That's difficult and it becomes very, very granular. So we try to help with the €15,000,000 to give you an idea of the order of magnitude achieved to this Brandtach already. We think it becomes too granular if we go to the regions. Apologies for that. The second one, the split in Essentials and Specialties, kind of likewise. We start reporting on Specialties And you'll get full transparency on the 2 divisions for this year, but we don't have Figures to disclose on specialties and essentials for last year. The M and A point is for Christian probably. Yes. And on M and A, on regions, I'm always saying we're sharpening the focus in 3 dimensions. One is actually the size we already talked about, the other one is the regions and the third is the industry segments we want to grow. With the regions, I mean that we have large Growing chemical markets like in China, where Brantag is currently underrepresented given its global position. And I think for me, it's absolutely clear that not only by M and A, but also by our organic efforts, we need to foster and we need to basically harvest The growth opportunities which are out there. The chemical industry market or the chemicals market in China is Twice the size of the European market and twice the size of the American market. So we need and it's growing Still 5%, 6% and higher even. So we need to be present in that growth pocket. And this is why I'm saying we need to strengthen and focus our approach Towards emerging markets, look on our performance in Latin America. It was a stellar performance in 2020. When it comes to growth, there are also interesting opportunities That does not and I specifically said it exclude that we are not acquiring anymore in North America and Europe. I think it still is depending on what industry segment we are talking or what deal size we are talking. And if that's the right one, we certainly would also continue to in Europe and in North America to act as a consolidator in the market. The site topic is an important Of course, we're trying now to reduce the complexity by going from 700 sites to 600 sites. Every acquisition, of course, typically At sites, but we are, I must say, also in our negotiations with certain targets, very firm now on what kind of sites we take on and others, which We consolidated before we even acquired the company. So I think this is not running against Project Brantac, but it's Under much more scrutiny, what kind of complexity do we bring with a certain deal into project Brenntag or into Brenntag overall, not only in the project, but overall in Brenntag. Thank you very much. There seem to be no further questions. For closing remarks, I'll get back to the speakers. Thanks a lot for dialing in and following our earnings Call for full year, as I've said, I believe we have shown a strong performance in 2020. We have continued to work with high speed on our project Brantac implementation and also our M and A efforts still It's following our guidance, which we have been given in the markets quite for some time now. So I think we are on a good trajectory and are Now in full swing to deliver what we have promised to you and to the markets. So looking forward to further interactions with you going forward. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attendance. This conference has been concluded. You can now Please connect. Thank you. Thanks.