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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Aug 9, 2023

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Q2 2023 results call of Brenntag SE. At our customer's request, this conference will be recorded. As a reminder, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions via the telephone line. I now hand you over to Thomas Altmann. Please go ahead.

Thomas Altmann
SVP Investor Relations, Brenntag

Thank you, Lucas. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Brenntag, I would like to welcome you to the earnings call for the second quarter of 2023. On the call with me today are our CEO, Dr. Christian Kohlpaintner, and our CFO, Dr. Kristin Neumann. They will walk you through today's presentation, which is followed by a Q&A session. Our relevant documents have been published this morning on our website and can be found at brenntag.com in the Investor Relations section. In the same area, you will also find the recording of this call later today. Before we begin, allow me to point you to our safe harbor statement, which you will find at the end of the slide deck. With that, I'll hand over to our CEO, Dr. Christian Kohlpaintner. Christian, over to you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Well, thank you, Thomas, and good afternoon also from my side, and thank you for joining us today. I will start with the highlights of the second quarter 2023, and Kristin will then walk you through the details of our financial performance. As usual, we are both happy to answer your questions after this presentation. Due to its resilient business model and despite the adverse market conditions, Brenntag showed a solid performance in the second quarter of 2023. Alongside ongoing geopolitical uncertainties and inflationary trends, Brenntag experienced, as anticipated, continued destocking trends in combination with declining chemical prices in many areas. In this challenging environment, and compared to a record high prior year period, we delivered solid results broadly in line with our expectations. Sales amounted to EUR 4.3 billion, which is 14% lower compared to the exceptional prior year period.

Operating gross profit stood at around EUR 1 billion, a decline of around -9% compared to the second quarter of 2022. Our operating EBITDA came in at EUR 410 million, which is a decline of 21% compared to last year, while operating EBITA amounted to EUR 332 million, a decline of 26%, respectively. Earnings per share stood at EUR 1.23, compared to EUR 1.86 in the second quarter of last year. Our solid operational performance supported a very strong cash flow development, and additionally, we saw a strong cash inflow from working capital compared to the prior year period.

This led to a second quarter free cash flow of EUR 432 million, which adds up to almost EUR 900 million for the first half of 2023, our highest free cash flow ever recorded in a first 6-months period. A remarkable result, which again demonstrates the strong cash generation capability of our business. Besides our solid operational performance, we continued to make good progress on our strategic initiatives. We successfully carried out our M&A strategy and announced two attractive deals for Brenntag Specialties in the second quarter. We announced the signing of the acquisition of Saifu Chemicals, significantly expanding our specialties, chemicals, and value-added service footprint in Asia Pacific. Furthermore, we announced the signing of a strategic partnership with Royal Avebe, an international cooperative producing potato starch and potato protein, expanding and broadening our portfolio of innovative and sustainable products, especially in life sciences.

This also illustrates our ambition to strengthen our collaborations with world-class suppliers. M&A remains a key strategic pillar for us and an enabler of future growth. Given our full pipeline of potential acquisition targets, we will continue our M&A track record and are confident to reach our planned annual M&A spend of around EUR 400 million-EUR 500 million in 2023. In addition to M&A, we also continue to execute our Horizon 2 growth strategies. For Brenntag Specialties, for example, these include the establishment of a new regulatory team for pharma in EMEA, the launch of a material science application center in Mumbai, or various newly signed distribution agreements with supply partners like Royal Avebe, Oterra, and Kao Chemicals Europe. Brenntag Essentials already successfully strengthened its local presence and flexibility by opening new sites in Brazil, Argentina, and North America.

For our new major site in China, the required license to start operations has been granted. In addition, business development teams have been set up for the growing battery business in EMEA and in North America. Furthermore, we have recently updated the market on a redesign of the board of management and the creation of a new governance and steering structure for our two global divisions, Brenntag Specialties and Brenntag Essentials, effective January 1, 2024. The evolved divisional setup supports the creation of incrementally more independent, autonomous, and market-leading businesses to accelerate the implementation of our Strategy to Win. I will talk about this in more detail later. Ladies and gentlemen, we are continuing to execute our Strategy to Win, including all investments needed. At the same time, the market environment remains challenging, and we experience continued top-line pressure for both divisions.

We are fully aware that we need to keep a close eye on our cost development to safeguard our results, however, without jeopardizing our stringent Horizon 2 strategy execution. Therefore, as already indicated with our Q1 results call, we have been prudently reviewing our cost base and initiated several cost containment measures, which we will intensify in the second half of 2023. Kristin will talk about the details of our cost containment measures later. Finally, on the outlook, in March, we presented our guidance range for the full year, which has been EUR 1.3 billion-EUR 1.5 billion for operating EBITDA, equivalent to EUR 1.6 billion-EUR 1.8 billion for operating EBITDA.

As 2023 has further progressed, we confirm our guidance and specify it as EUR 1.3 billion-EUR 1.4 billion of operating EBITDA, thus being in the lower range of the original guidance, driven by the overall highly challenging market environment and unfavorable FX effects. Let us now take a closer look at the environment Brenntag was facing in the second quarter. As already mentioned, the macroeconomic environment continued to be challenging. We experienced ongoing geopolitical uncertainties and strong inflationary trends. Continued destocking and sluggish demand in certain end markets impacted companies across the chemical space, which is why many chemical producers have recently published substantial profit warnings. The combination of slower demand pickup and normalized supply chains led to declines in chemical prices globally. Many customers are speculating on further declining raw material prices and thereby taking higher inventory risks at the moment.

In addition, low domestic demand in China has led to higher export rates of Chinese products into other markets, which put further pressure on chemical prices worldwide. Of course, also Brenntag is not immune to this challenging market environment, but our results emphasize once again the resilience of the chemicals distribution business model. We are, in general, less affected by the cyclicality in the chemical industry, and our earnings development shows lower volatility compared to chemical producers. Due to the sequential volume recovery seen since the beginning of the year, as well as indications that inventory control measures on our customer side are bottoming out, we are confident that the second half of 2023 will generate volumes exceeding the first half of 2023.

Ladies and gentlemen, let me now talk about our organizational update, which we provided about a month ago on July 6, together with a detailed slide deck, which can be found on our website in the Investor Relations section. With this announcement, we shared a new governance and steering structure for Brenntag Specialties and Brenntag Essentials. This will simplify and speed up decision-making within our two divisions. We are creating incrementally more independent, autonomous, and market-leading businesses to accelerate our strategy implementation. The evolved operating model will come into effect as of January 1, 2024. We also announced associated set changes within the management board of Brenntag. Since August 1, 2023, the management board consists now of 4 members instead of 5 previously: the CEO function, the CFO function, and two divisional CEOs.

Ewout van Jarwaarde was appointed as CEO of Brenntag Essentials, succeeding Steven Terwindt, who has chosen not to extend his contract with Brenntag, which ended July 31st. Michael Friede was appointed CEO of Brenntag Specialties. The Chief Transformation Officer role, which Ewout held previously, and which was established in the beginning of 2021, has been discontinued. Let me add a few words here. This management board role was introduced for three reasons. One was to ensure the stringent execution of Project Brenntag. Secondly, it was intended to create the concepts and the foundations for the company's digital and data transformation journey. Thirdly, it was intended to define and develop the Brenntag Excellence Initiative and to mobilize the organization accordingly. These three major goals were successfully achieved. Of course, we stay fully committed to executing our DiDEX transformation.

The accountability for executing the DiDEX program is firmly established in both divisions as well as the group functions. Within the management board, Ewout continues to be responsible for digital data and technology. A new role of Chief Digital Data and Technology Officer has been created, reporting directly to Ewout. I will personally be responsible for Brenntag excellence and indirect procurement, to focus on delivery of cost savings and efficiency gains going forward. Ewout combines strong leadership skills and a high level of expertise, especially in the implementation of transformation programs, which he will use to consistently drive forward the expansion of our position as a global market leader in Brenntag Essentials. His expertise will be particularly valuable in driving the last mile excellence and becoming the easiest to do business with, seamlessly connecting with our customers and suppliers.

The changes on the management board fully reflect the changes in the operating model of the two Brenntag divisions, with their new governance and steering structures. As of January 1, 2024, both divisions will be steered by divisional executive committees, led by their respective divisional CEO. The operating model evolution also includes a partial and gradual shift of specific functions, responsibilities, and activities from corporate level to the divisions, such as business and operations-related HR, service, and excellence functions. The new governance structure in Brenntag Specialties is centered around global business units, externally reported in two new segments: Life Science and Material Science. Brenntag will create a unique specialty positioning with a more focused portfolio and value-added services offering, based on a strong global Life Science segment and a focused global Material Science business geared towards sustainable chemistry.

With this new governance structure, Brenntag Specialties is shifting from a regional to a global steering of its key businesses, while continuing to consider local differences and leveraging the local strengths in the specialties business. The setup in global business units with a full profit and loss responsibility, will support the division's end market focus and leverages its global expertise and presence, while improving the capabilities for local execution. The life science segment includes the three global business units: Business Unit Nutrition, Business Unit Pharma, and Business Unit Personal Care, HI&I. The material science segment is composed by CASE, which is coatings, adhesives, sealants, and elastomers, as well as polymers, rubbers, construction, as well as lubricants industries. We will transfer our water treatment business within Brenntag Specialties to Brenntag Essentials.

Based on product and supply chain requirements, we believe it is the best solution to bring water treatment under one roof in Brenntag Essentials. The product portfolio of Brenntag Specialties will be sharpened further until our Capital Markets Day. Let us take a look at the setup of Brenntag Essentials. The focus of the changes in Brenntag Essentials is on delivering last-mile excellence and leveraging its global reach through its regional supply chain and global sourcing capabilities to better serve its customers and suppliers. The division will continue to optimize and expand its network and product portfolio to leverage its number one market position and to realize new business opportunities. Our three priorities are: building on the last mile delivery ownership, while leveraging Brenntag's unique global reach through a connected global and regional sourcing and supply chain network.

Secondly, to focus on optimizing our network and product portfolio to expand our number 1 position and global presence and drive new business opportunities. Thirdly, to simplify the way of how we work to become the easiest to do business with for customers, suppliers, and employees, with a clearer accountability and responsibility within the organization. Ladies and gentlemen, our new governance with the executive committee structure and the divisional steering of selected functions, will provide the divisions with the lean and efficient processes, resources, and capabilities needed to execute a more independent and autonomous steering, improve the business performance, and accelerate the dedicated growth activities. Our conclusions on strategic options and the future path for Brenntag and our divisions, will be communicated at the Capital Markets Day that will take place on December 5 in London. We are already looking forward to seeing you there.

Now, I would like to hand over to Kristin, who will talk about the financial performance in the second quarter in more detail. Kristin?

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

Thank you, Christian. Also from my side, a warm welcome to everyone on this call. I will now talk about our key financial figures for the second quarter, 2023, and I will start with the development of our operating EBITDA. As a reminder, when talking about growth rates, we generally talk about at X adjusted rates. Please have a look at the bridge on the left-hand side of slide 7. In the second quarter, 2022, we reported an exceptionally strong operating EBITDA of EUR 462 million. The translation and the foreign exchange effect in Q2 this year had an impact of -EUR 14 million. Our acquisitions contributed EUR 4 million to the operating EBITDA growth.... Overall, we reported an operating EBITA of EUR 332 million for the whole group.

Compared to the exceptional prior year performance, this represents a decrease of -26%. Our results were overall characterized by the continued destocking trends, coupled with demand weakness in certain end markets. At the same time, gross profit per unit decreased slightly versus 2Q 2022, but broadly in line with our expectations of gradual price normalization in the course of the year. This led to an overall lower absolute gross profit for the group compared to the prior year quarter. On the right-hand side, you find a more detailed view by divisions and all other segments. Operating EBITA growth for Brenntag Specialties was -32%, and for Brenntag Essentials, the growth rate was -30% year-over-year.

In absolute terms, Brenntag Specialties reported an operating EBITA decline of minus EUR 79 million, whereas Brenntag Essentials reported a decline of minus EUR 39 million compared to the second quarter, 2022. The translational FX effect was minus EUR 9 million for Brenntag Specialties and minus EUR 6 million for Brenntag Essentials. Acquisitions contributed EUR 2 million in Brenntag Specialties and also EUR 2 million in Brenntag Essentials. The group EBITA conversion ratio came in at 33%, which is 800 basis points below the exceptional prior year quarter. Coming to page 8. Brenntag Specialties reported an operating gross profit decline of minus 16% to EUR 375 million in the second quarter. Operating EBITA declined by minus 32% and reached EUR 145 million.

The EBITA conversion ratio for Brenntag Specialties was around 39% and below the record high prior year level of 48%. The results of Brenntag Specialties were affected by negative volume development in combination with falling sales prices and a corresponding impact on our cost profit per unit. Even though volumes are sequentially recovering throughout the year, prices normalized as expected, leading to results below the prior year period. Our focus industries, pharma and water treatment, performed very well, which, however, could not compensate for subdued demand in other segments, where customers continued to destock and ordered lower volumes in anticipation of further falling prices. Nutrition and personal care at I&I showed negative operating gross profit growth compared to the record prior year earnings, particularly driven by volume and price declines of non-branded ingredients such as Citric acid.

The performance of the material science sector continues to be negatively impacted by muted construction activity. In addition, an overall weaker performance in the APAC region impacted our specialties results in the second quarter of 2023. Although we experienced ongoing inflationary trends and incurred additional costs in connection with Our Strategy to Win, which are an investment in Brenntag's future, operating expenses for Brenntag Specialties were stable compared to last year. This is partly driven by lower volumes. However, OpEx for Brenntag Specialties were below the level of Q1 2023. Also, volumes remained flat quarter-over-quarter. Let me briefly reiterate what Christian had already said on our Q1 earnings call. Brenntag Specialties will accelerate its measures to close the relative performance gap to pure-play peers.

These measures include: a detailed review and optimization of the various industry product portfolios, reducing the exposure to non-branded ingredients in nutrition and personal care, intensifying the cooperation with strategic suppliers, recently demonstrated by additional distribution agreements with Royal Avebe, Oterra, and Kao Chemicals Europe, opening new application and innovation centers like the recently opened Material Science Center in Mumbai, and extending the value-added services offering. One example for value-added services is our recently announced partnership with Qualifyze to enhance the pharmaceutical audit offering for our customers. This collaboration provides our pharma customers in EMEA access to high-quality third-party audits of suppliers. This is a practical solution which meets the needs of our customers facing audit challenges and regulatory requirements. Let us take a closer look at Brenntag Essentials.

Brenntag Essentials reported an operating gross profit of EUR 638 million, which is a decline of -3% compared to the prior year. Operating EBITA stood at EUR 226 million. This is 13% below the record-breaking prior year figure. The EBITA conversion ratio for the division came in at around 35%, compared to 39% last year. All regions showed a slower performance compared to last year, which is mainly driven by lower volumes. Gross profit per unit remained high in EMEA and North America but was declining in Latin America and APAC year-over-year. Compared to Q1 2023, the division saw a volume growth. However, total volumes were still below the previous year's quarter. The EMEA, as well as the North America region, showed a solid performance. The APAC segment was impacted by lower demand in China.

The Latin America segment continues to be impacted by low demand. Operating expenses for Brenntag Essentials increased slightly compared to the prior year period. This is mainly driven by our M&A activities. Organically, we were able to reduce OpEx year-on-year, also partly driven by lower volumes. OpEx were also lower compared to Q1 2023, despite volume increases in our Essentials business. Let me briefly address the development in all other segments. In all other segments, which mainly include the holding companies, we recorded a negative operating EBITA contribution of -EUR 38 million. This is again, driven by the general inflationary environment, but also related to higher expenses in connection with our transformation program and higher IT expenses. As a reminder, all costs related to IT investments and our DiDEX program are reported in our operating expenses and therefore are fully reflected in operating EBITA.

In summary, the results are broadly in line with our expectations in a continuously challenging market environment. Moving to slide 10, where we look at the income statement in more detail compared to the second quarter last year. We generated stable sales of around EUR 4.2 billion. Our operating gross profit stood at around EUR 1 billion. This represents a decline of around 9% compared to the record prior year quarter. Operating expenses, excluding special items, increased slightly compared to the previous year, which was driven by our M&A activities. Organically, OpEx for the group remained stable, partly driven by the slower demand environment compared to last year. Versus Q1, OpEx could be slightly reduced despite sequential volume improvement. Special items below operating EBITA had a negative effect of minus EUR 17 million. This includes provisions and various other one-time expenses.

Depreciation and amortization together increased slightly with a combined amount of EUR 94 million compared to EUR 89 million in Q2 last year. The finance costs remained more or less flat at EUR 39 million. Our financial performance translated into a profit after tax of EUR 189 million and earnings per share of EUR 1.23. This compares to the record prior year quarter profit after tax of EUR 294 million and earnings per share of EUR 1.86 last year. Coming to page 11 and the free cash flow. In the second quarter, 2023, we generated another very strong free cash flow of EUR 432 million.

The significant increase in free cash flow generation is mainly due to the cash inflow from working capital, whereas we reported a significant outflow for investments in our working capital in the prior year quarter. On page 12, you can see more details on our working capital development. Working capital amounted to around EUR 2.3 billion at the end of the second quarter. This is a decline of around EUR 130 million compared to the end of Q1 2023. Our working capital turnover was lower compared to the average working capital turn of last year and stood at 7.2 times. This is driven by a slightly weaker development of receivables and payables, whereas our inventory management has been on a positive trajectory since last year.

Looking at our balance sheet, our net financial liabilities amounted to EUR 2.3 billion at the end of Q2. Our leverage ratio, which is net debt to operating EBITDA, remains on low levels and stood at 1.4 times. This includes the first tranche of our share buyback program in the amount of EUR 500 million. Thereof, around EUR 170 million were realized at the end of Q2. On the right-hand side of the slide, you can see our current maturity profile, which visualizes our strong financing structure. Let us now talk about our cost containment measures, which Christian already mentioned at the beginning of this call.

Given the challenging market environment and continuing inflationary trends, we are fully aware that we need to keep an eye on our cost development in order to safeguard our results in 2023, and at the same time ensure that we continue to execute our Horizon 2 strategy, including all investments needed. Therefore, we have taken the prudent decision to initiate and intensify various cost control measures for the second half of 2023. First, we initiated global hiring control measures, and we mainly use natural fluctuation to reduce our headcount number by 300 in the second half of 2023 in a socially responsible manner. Second, we will be reducing discretionary expenses, travel and consulting costs, and third-party contractors, as well as other indirect spend.

Third, as we are continuously optimizing our site network, we have identified additional 25 sites to be closed worldwide until the end of the year. To implement the savings, we will incur some one-time restructuring costs in the course of 2023. These restructuring costs are estimated to be in the low double-digit EUR million range. Let me once again emphasize that core initiatives of our Strategy to Win implementation will continue and are not part of the cost containment measures. With this, I would like to hand back to Christian to talk about the outlook for 2023.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Thank you, Kristin. ladies and gentlemen, let me now briefly talk about the outlook for the remainder of 2023. In March, we presented our guidance range for the full year, which has been EUR 1.3 billion-EUR 1.5 billion for operating EBITA, equivalent to EUR 1.6 billion-EUR 1.8 billion for operating EBITDA. As 2023 has further progressed, we confirm our guidance and specify it now at EUR 1.3 billion-EUR 1.4 billion of operating EBITA. The specification in the lower range of the original guidance is driven by the overall highly challenging market environment and unfavorable FX effects. For the second half of 2023, we expect a continuously tough operating environment characterized by geopolitical uncertainty, macroeconomic challenges, but also a sequentially recovering demand.

Due to the sequential volume recovery seen since the beginning of the year, as well as indications that inventory control measures on our customer side are bottoming out, we are confident that the second half of 2023 will generate volumes exceeding the first half of 2023. With this, I would like to close the presentation now and thank all of you for participating in today's call. Now we are looking forward for your questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin our question-and-answer session. If you have a question for our speakers, please dial * 1 1 on your telephone keypad now to enter the queue. Once your name has been announced, you can ask a question. If you find your question is answered before it is your turn to speak, you can dial * 1 1 again to cancel your question. One moment, please, for the first question. The first question is coming from Suhasini Varanasi at Goldman Sachs.

Suhasini Varanasi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. I have 3, please, and I'll take them one by one, if that's all right. It's very reassuring to hear about the sequential improvement in volumes that you expect for second half of this year compared to first half. This is probably in contrast to what we're hearing from the manufacturers. Is it possible to give us some color on where you have seen the most improvement, compared to maybe the end of first quarter, or what gives you the confidence? Does-- I mean, why have you been able to see this improvement when the manufacturers have not? Has it, is it to do with maybe incremental outsourcing trends? That's my first question. Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Yes, Suhasini, thank you very much. I will take that, that first question from you. On the volume development, I think we have been saying this, that actually since the beginning of the year, we have seen a sequential increase in the volume. Not talking about now quantum leaps here. We talk about a gradual, sequential, small step improvement of volumes, which is of indeed contrary to what many chemical manufacturers have been, have been seeing. This has to do, of course, with our capability to service a customer base, which cannot be and is not addressed by the chemical manufacturers, typically smaller and smallest customers, with a high turning business, sometimes very highly innovative as well. That has helped us to also protect our volume development.

We should not forget that still the volumes are lower than they were a year ago. I mean, this is also something that we are not totally immune against, but sequentially, it's for us, important to observe where the volumes are going forward. I have, I would say, consistently said that the American market in particular is more robust than a lot of people think. I think this is has been confirmed now over the last 12, now 15 months already, that we see a good and decent business in North America from a from a demand standpoint of view. We see now also first and gradual signs that also demand in Europe is improving. Again, not a massive change, but, you know, gradually stabilization, a gradual improvement going forward.

As, as those are the two major region, regions we have, we are confident that this will be also reflected in our second half numbers. Destocking in the industry has been unusually long. You have me heard saying in the past that I typically expect about 6 months of destocking, and it kicked in around November last year. Now we talk about already 7, 8, 9 months of destocking, which is an unusual period, and this is what you also have heard from chemical manufacturers, that this is an unusually destocking, which we believe has now bottomed out.

Also when we look at the July development, this is also an encouraging sign that we see that volumes are not declining, but they're stabilizing and slightly going up now month-over-month, as I've said before. This is, I would say, the nature of our business, the nature of servicing all the different value chains. Never forget, we, we also servicing all value chains, not only petrochemicals, but also inorganics, but also food and nutrition. We have, for instance, seen very nice developments on the volume side in pharma, but we also have seen now first signs of recovery in the material science business. Overall, we believe the signs are slightly positive that for second half we see a better volume development.

Suhasini Varanasi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you very much. My second question is actually on the price normalization that you expect will continue this year. Is it possible to give some color on where this price normalization is having the most impact? Is it mainly in Specialties and perhaps in Material Science? Because I think looking at the gross margin in Essentials, it has held up really well and even improved year-over-year. Why has that been so strong, and is there a risk that it maybe comes off later? I think you mentioned in your presentation as well, that you expect the pressure on margins and Essentials to continue to increase in second half.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Yeah.

Suhasini Varanasi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

No, I think when we talk about the, about the price normalization, I mean, this is something we have been observing this minimum, I would say, the last nine months, if not even 12 months, that you see a very low normalization of pricing. On the petrochemical side, this has happened to a large extent. You still see price pressure, of course, now coming from oversupply, in particular, out of China. China domestic demand is, is, I would say, on the soft spot, as we had also said in Q1. China continues to be a disappointment for us, also in the second quarter.

We also see they are bottoming up, not bottoming out, but we can observe that material from China is actually also exported into different markets, increasing the pricing pressure also in other regions outside outside of Asia. We saw inorganics, which is a different value chain, driven by the energy costs and electricity costs and gas costs predominantly. Here we have seen also normalization now in Q1, in particular also in Q2, and that trends trend continues. Just take caustic soda, hydrochloric acid. I'm sure that Chetan has insights here as well to share. That this is, you know, also clearly a sign that, you know, also prices are declining there.

You have, I would say, quite unusual in our field, in the nutrition side, also some price declines here, which we currently are managing quite well. The relevant topic is really what is the gross profit per unit, which we can create? That's, that's not overall determined by the price level itself, but how well we, we manage the volatility going up and down. In essentials, to complete that, that, that picture, we have, of course, had support from various shortages in the market, over the last, I would say, three, four quarters, which now are fading and have been already faded. I think supply chains have largely normalized.

In that respect, you know, you would expect that also due to the normalized conditions, prices will come to some extent under pressure, and we, we see that. Nevertheless, we believe that the volume recovery we expect for the second half will also compensate for that and also including our cost containment measures on top of it. This is why we are confident for the second half, and this is why we have confirmed our guidance as specified.

Suhasini Varanasi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you. Maybe just to clarify that bit on the second half, it's clear that you, you are re-reaffirming your guidance. I think going into Q3, Q3 obviously is very important for getting to the full year profits. Under normal seasonal patterns, you would probably end up seeing Q3 profits similar to Q2. I appreciate you don't give a lot of color by quarter, but just that it's pretty important this year, so I'm just trying my luck over here. When we think about the moving parts, sequential volume recovery, price normalization, and then you have the structuring program, what do you think is the key risk to profits in Q3 that can prevent you from getting to your guidance at the lower end of the range? Can restructuring basically help to offset that? Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Well, I would not, not narrow it down to a Q3 performance. I think you need to look at the second half overall and compare it also how, how we fared last year. We had a particular bad, fourth quarter last year, if you might remember. As I said, we see, we see, you know, first signs also in our specialties business that, you know, we have seen here bottoming out and also gradually volumes even in Europe start to increase. Again, you know, we talk about single low-digit numbers here, but nevertheless, you clearly can see this. That gives us, you know, confidence for the second half. Again, Q3, Q4, we do not discuss separately.

For the second half, we overall are confident that we can confirm the guidance as we did today, as markets and also our self-help program in that respect, are supporting us to accomplish that guidance. I don't see the major risk here besides any exogenic events like, you know, further escalation of the Ukraine-Russian war or any, any things around Taiwan and other topics. In the absence of this kind of exogenic shocks, we believe that the second half, from a demand standpoint, we will be better than the first half.

Suhasini Varanasi
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

That's very clear. Thank you very much.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question is coming from Marcus Mayer at Baader Helvea.

Marcus Mayer
Analyst, Baader Helvea

Yeah, good afternoon, Christian, Kristin, and Thomas. I have 2 questions, please. Firstly, on your cost containment measures, this potential savings, can you quantify the savings, what you expect, which might come on top to the already guided savings? Also, these 25 site closures, are they more affecting Specialties, or should we expect there are a stronger effect as Essentials or might be the, the effect equally split for the 2 decisions, into the 2 decisions? The 2nd question is on the financial costs, if you could give us a guidance there, that some capital came down, leverage came down, financial costs went up, not massively, but nevertheless, maybe a guidance there would help. Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Okay, Marcus, I hand over to Kristin for those 2 questions.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

Thank you, Christian, and hi, Marcus, also from my side. First of all, in terms of cost containment, the numbers are included in our guidance, so it does not come on top. We see for 2023, mid-sized, double-digit million amounts, helping us support our guidance. And I think it's important to say that, of course, we are also with that, fighting inflation, and balancing out other headwinds we have. In terms of the number of closures, we just do not distinguish between Brenntag Essentials and Brenntag Specialties locations. In most of the cases, they are somehow also service, both, divisions. And therefore, there's not a division which is more affected by the closures.

It's also worth mentioning that a major part of those 25 sites we identified are third-party sites. In terms of financial costs, they are more or less stable compared to what we saw in 2022. Next to the interest cost, of course, we have also other elements in our financial results. The major driver here is also next to the interest costs, is FX developments, and also the hyperinflation in Turkey, which had a major impact on the financial costs in Q2 2023. If you look at our leverage, you might have seen that or also heard from me that this already includes our share buyback program until the end of this year.

With the EUR 500 million, we will purchase back, and therefore, that includes already the lower liquidity or lower cash position out of that share buyback program. I hope that this answers the questions.

Marcus Mayer
Analyst, Baader Helvea

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is coming from Dominic Edridge at Deutsche Bank.

Dominic Edridge
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi there. Thanks for taking the questions. Just 2 from myself. Firstly, can you just discuss maybe the, the volume developments in the different industry areas? Is it too simplistic to say that the more cyclical the end market, the more volumes are down currently? Just allied to that, just on water treatment, you're not the only distributor to say water treatment has been strong. Is there sort of a, a rationale you, you feel behind that in terms of secular growth? The second question was just on cost containment. I think doing the numbers, and apologies if I've got anything wrong, you've have about 173 net increase in headcounts organically since January. In that context, sort of 300 doesn't feel aggressive.

Is it fair to say that you're trying to avoid doing anything too drastic currently on the assumption we will see, a recovery, but perhaps in 2024? Thanks so much.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Dominic, thanks, thanks for your questions. On the, on the volume development, yes, water treatment, we see the same thing. I think we have, we have seen a positive development in water treatment, in pharma, as I've said, but now also first times in material science, that this is improving. We also have seen substantial volume increases, or also in our energy business, in our former oil and gas activities. You clearly can, can, can see that. You know, both divisions, are actually faring quite well when it comes, comes to volume, at least, to our expectations. July has been encouraging in that, in that trend.

Again, this is also, in my point of view, a clear sign of that you have different industries which follow a different, let me call it, destocking cycle, but also follow a different logic, how quickly they come out of the woods again. Here, I'm, you know, I'm positive that what we see now in various areas is also extending now to other industry segments, which have been difficult. For instance, like the nutrition business, which has shown also a decline in volumes, actually going forward. On the cost containment, actually, in the FTE headcount, you know, we are using the June 30th baseline, which you have, which is, you know, has an M&A impact in there.

We try to walk really a fine line here between, you know, what do we need to do to safeguard our results this year versus, you know, really doing the necessary investments into executing our Strategy to Win. So, it's not a digital decision, we go to the left and then to the right. It is really a fine and balanced assessment of, you know, where do we see cost takeout possible without jeopardizing our successful execution of our Strategy to Win. It's one of those, I would say, management tasks and management responsibilities, to do this in a prudent manner and not in a very digital manner.

Rikin Patel
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay. That, that's very clear. Thank you very much.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Welcome.

Operator

The next question is coming from Ron Sheridan at UBS.

Ron Sheridan
Analyst, UBS

Hi, Kristin, it's Ron again. 3 questions, please. Firstly, can we have more detail about volume trends? Can we assume that group organic volume declines are about -7% year-over-year in Q2, so the average gross profit per unit is maybe -2% year-over-year? Could you say whether those year-over-year volume declines were worse in Essentials or Specialties? Second question, how much further should we expect the losses in the other segments line to increase in H2? Is this now a higher but, but stable level after that increase? Finally, a question on the new structure. Just to be clear, does each division now have a full top-to-bottom separate P&L, you know, balance sheet, cash flow?

Have you created separate entities in each jurisdiction that allow that full separation, or is that something you're still working on? Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Yeah, I think, I will let maybe the volume development and the other segment discussion to Kristin. When it comes on the last question around, you know, separate P&Ls, this is, you know, exactly what we are trying to accomplish as we move now forward. We want to create more autonomous and independent divisions going forward. That, of course, is one of the key elements, is that we have full P&L responsibilities, first, in both, both divisions, but also in particular, now in Specialties in the global business units, which we are creating. It's a fundamental shift; it's not so maybe noticed by you.

We will move from a, you know, regional reporting in specialties into a segment reporting in life science and material science, where there are three global business units, let's say, in the life science business, that's just one example. That's a fundamental shift in the operating model, but it is required that you also give, you know, the full P&L responsibility into those business units. That, of course, requires that you are thinking about the legal entity structures in each and every country, in particular, the big ones. We are not talking about, you know, we are present in 72 or 75 countries worldwide. I mean, splitting, splitting legal entities in, in a small country like Nigeria or another small market we are acting in, doesn't make a lot of sense.

Of course, you need to have that if you are looking into the Americas, if you're looking to the big European countries. This is now the task which we are undertaking, and, you know, giving that, as I said, the more autonomous status and a more independent decision-making into those divisions, that's now work for the next weeks and months to come, to ensure a successful startup in January first. That's around the P&L and the balance sheet and separation, and the two other questions around the volume development and the losses in other segments, I hand over to Kristin.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

Thank you, Christian. Maybe one, one additional comment on the separation. We will not have, starting from July 1, really a separated cash flow statement and also separated balance sheet, due to the fact that these are bound to the legal entities which are still intermingled, and that is something we need to decide how to work on it in the future. Coming to the volume question, you know that we do not give exact numbers in terms of volume and PPG ton development. However, what we see is that we have a higher 1-digit number of reduction in terms of volume organically. And we see a quite stable PPG ton number. If you look at the divisions, the volume, lack of volume is more pronounced in BSP compared to BES.

The second question was on the further development of all other segments, as far as I if I got it correctly, and how the development here is, we will see higher costs also for the second half of the year. Here we have taken actions in order to make that less pronounced, compared to what we saw in the first half of the year. I hope that this answered the question.

Ron Sheridan
Analyst, UBS

Yes. Just to clarify, were you saying that we should expect this high level in all other segments losses to continue or to increase further in H2? Sorry.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

I said that there is still higher costs compared to, or worse results compared to last year. However.

Ron Sheridan
Analyst, UBS

Okay.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

less pronounced, to what, we saw in the first half of the year. If you look half year over half year, then it should be less.

Ron Sheridan
Analyst, UBS

Got it. That makes sense. Thank you both very much.

Operator

The next question is coming from Isha Sharma at Jefferies.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Hi, good afternoon. I have just two left, please. Appreciate that you would give us more color at the CMD. Could you give us some broad topics that explain your underperformance of specialties versus your peers that are listed? In that regard, you mentioned further sharpening of the specialties portfolio. Is the rationale reducing the commodity products that you still include there, that go into consumer end market, or how should we think about it?

Isha Sharma
Analyst, Jefferies

The second question is on OpEx. You mentioned that both segments sequentially saw a decline, but the sequential gross margin improvement of 100 basis points, we did not see it drop down to the conversion ratio. Could you explain why that is?

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Isha, thanks for the questions. The second question I will give to Kristin Neumann. On the capital market, I mean, I think we have been on the performance relative to the peers in Specialties. I think we have been quite explicit in the first quarter about this topic, that, you know, we fully recognize that there is a performance gap between our Specialties business and our pure-play peers. You again saw that in the second quarter confirmed. And this is what we said is not a short-term fix, because it has also to do besides the stringent performance management, don't get me wrong, I mean, this is something which we work on diligently every day, but it also has to do with the portfolio structure.

I would say the trajectory you see with us extracting a specialties business out of a full-line distributor model. By this extraction of that portfolio, you know, you actually have a reflection of what the portfolio of the full-line distributor once was. This has to do with the products you're also marketing and selling through specialties, but it has also to do, of course, with our supplier relationships. In the past, we had a less strategic build-up of supplier relationships and the products which come with it, then maybe pure-play peers who have been designed from day one to be a specialty distributor.

That's, I would say, this moment in time, where you basically see, where you basically see a difference in that performance quality, which is explaining a part of that relative performance gap. Again, it's more than just the portfolio. We recognize that it has also to do with performance, and this is why we also have done the necessary changes, not only in the top management, but also in the in the divisional structure going forward. You will get more granularity around this in our Capital Markets Day, which is now on December the fifth. With that, I would give the OpEx question to Kristin.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

Isha, I hope I've got it right. What we can see is that sequentially, if I look at Q1 and Q2, in terms of conversion, conversion ratio, the conversion ratio is more or less stable, so there's not a big movement. What we can see is that the gross profit in absolute term went slightly backwards organically, and on the other hand side, also, OpEx went down. And therefore, as an end result, the conversion ratio remained stable. That is how I see it, but maybe I missed something. The margin went up, that is true, but that also means in absolute terms, the GP organically went down.

Isha Sharma
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah, I just wanted to confirm, because the gross profit margin went up quarter-over-quarter, from 23% to 24%. However, we did not see that convert to the, to the margin, to the EBITDA margin. Just was wondering, because so the personnel costs went up, but you said that OpEx actually came down, so it was a bit unclear.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

Yeah, exactly. Percentage-wise, the margin went up, that's true. The ASPs also went down, therefore, in absolute terms, gross profit organically went down slightly.

Isha Sharma
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you very much.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

that is the affecting... Okay. Bye.

Isha Sharma
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is coming from Alex Stewart at Barclays.

Alex Stewart
Analyst, Barclays

Hello, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to probe a little bit more on this cost savings or cost efficiencies that you talked about. I think you said that it was a double-digit benefit to the P&L in fiscal 2023. Can I just confirm that? Does that mean that it's a sort of triple-digit benefit, annualized, on the basis that you've started it roughly halfway through the year? As an extension to that, are these cost savings to try and offset higher cost inflation than you were expecting elsewhere? If I were to look at what the level of operating costs you expected on the 1st of January, do you expect that to be broadly what you achieve throughout the year? In other words, does one offset the other?

Is this lowering your OpEx beyond what you had expected? Because this is the first we've heard of, of these cost cutting, these cost initiatives. Very useful to get more detail, if possible.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

You've got it right. It's a mid-double-digit EUR million amount within 2023. There are several elements in there. Part of that is a one-time effect, and also holding the breath, as Christian always says, so also postponing things. So, it will not be all sustainable. Of course, there are other measures where we have a run rate only kicking in next year, so I would not go to a 3 double digit EUR million amount. I think that is balancing off in the end, the two elements. That will, of course, compensate for, we hope to compensate for inflationary trends we saw, and therefore, we do not want to say that our cost base in absolute terms really goes down, because that is also depending on our volumes we will see going forward.

As you know, we also have in our indirect spend, in our OpEx, some volume-related costs, and therefore, that is also an element we will see. All in all, okay.

Alex Stewart
Analyst, Barclays

Just to be clear on that, on that last point, I wasn't asking about whether OpEx would be up or down compared to any other period. I was asking compared to your budget. When you budgeted at the start of the year, do you think the OpEx will be lower than you budgeted because of the benefit of the cost savings, or will it just serve to negate some of the unexpected costs that you've experienced this year?

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

It will be, it will be definitely compared to our budget, it will be definitely down, which is already now the case. Of course, we always try to steer against it and to balance out the headwinds we see compared to our budget, to our expectation in the beginning of the year, it's definitely down. I confirm that.

Alex Stewart
Analyst, Barclays

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question has come from Chetan Udeshi at J.P. Morgan.

Chetan Udeshi
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Yeah. Hi, thanks. I wanted to talk a little bit about your new organizational setup. Apologies, but it seems to me a bit counterintuitive to have a global setup for a specialty business and a regional setup for essential business, given that essentials can source same molecule from different parts of the world. Can you maybe explain the rationale having this sort of setup, which at least to me, seems a bit counterintuitive at this point? The related question is, question when you, when you started, you already had management changes, and now, you know, there, there are, there's another set of management change. I think just from a continuity point of view, how, how should we think about possible disruptions from an execution point of view?

Because to have such, you know, frequent management change sometimes can also lead to disruptions. Just last point was, or last question was more on your second half guidance, which at the midpoint is roughly flat, if I look at the EBITDA versus first half, and I appreciate you, you are expecting volumes to be higher in second half versus first half. What we saw in second quarter also is quite interesting in the sense like your volumes were up, as you said, but yet your earnings were down. Why, why should we not expect the same trend in second half? Maybe the volumes are up, but the earnings are down because, you know, the GP per unit is still sort of sequentially moderating as you speak. Those are the questions. Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Yeah, Chetan, Chetan, thanks, thanks for the questions. I will take the first two and then ask Kristin to think about the second one. Now, on the organizational setup, I would say when you look at the fundamentals of those two businesses, the Essentials Business is the industrial chemicals, bulk chemicals business, where you typically would source, of course, locally. You know, the last mile delivery excellence is key in that business because you move large volumes, and you need to do this most cost effectively. It makes a lot of sense to have that as a regional setup, unchanged, to what we had before.

The major difference you have in the essentials business going forward is that we also combine it now with a global sourcing capability, because we want to play the arbitrage opportunities which are coming from, you know, the different regions and Franck having that unique setup, which allows us to bring products from every region in the world into a region where the demand is taking place. I mean, you heard me talking in the past, that we, for instance, bring caustic soda from North America to Europe at a given time, and that has helped us greatly also in the performance of our essentials business. Essentials, clearly local and regional, but we combine it now with a global sourcing capability. Still, we believe the organizational setup needs to be a regional one. On the specialty side, totally different.

Specialties, we are going towards an industry-focused setup, where we are looking on what is a business unit, what is a nutrition business doing globally, what is a pharma business doing globally, and how we can actually safeguard that we have the exchange of knowledge and know-how and application know-how across the globe to really drive the growth in both, in, in those business units. That's a fundamental shift, because in the past, there was very too little regional exchange about, you know, what are the food trends in, in North America, and how we can basically use those, those knowledge for also European trends and vice versa, or what is personal care in South Korea doing, which is, you know, more or less determining the trends also in North America.

I think we believe that in the Specialties business, it is of utmost importance to be organized according to industry segments and also steering them in a global manner, not losing the local touch. I mean, don't get me wrong, this is not what we want to give up. Clearly, clearly coming from that industry logic and driving a nutrition business, driving a pharma business, driving a personal care business with the fundamental differences they do have. On the continuation point of view, yes, there have been changes in the Management Board, and again, for various reasons. I, you know, the setup we have now, I think, is a very good one with the four Board member setup and, and clear, distinct, you know, responsibilities with the operational responsibilities in those two divisions.

Kristin, myself, taking the overall responsibility for, for the group. Again, also as a first step to create those autonomous and independent divisions. I think this is also needs to be reflected in our board. Again, personal decisions by one or the other board member not to continue the contracts, you know, this is a personal decision, but definitely has not been, you know, a corporate decision and, and forced upon them. Overall, I would say we have now reached the perfect setup for what we intend to do going forward. From that perspective, I feel very comfortable with that. Again, don't forget Ivan Teske in the organization now, it's almost 3 years, so he's very well known in the organization and very well respected due to his transformation track record he brought with him.

The last question around the second half guidance, I give to Kristin.

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

Hi, Chetan. Also from my side, our guidance compared to the first half of the year is as follows. We saw in the first half of the year that we had lower volumes compared to previous year, with a more or less stable, stable GP per ton values. Therefore, what we foresee now that volumes are gradually improving and increasing, as we saw it also already during the course of the first half of the year, and that is counterbalances any shortfalls in prices. That is, of course, our assumption behind, and we need to see how that will turn out. That is the assumption that H2 is more or less comparable to what we have in H1. I hope that this answers the question.

Operator

That's, that's clear. Thank you very much. The next question is coming from Rikin Patel at Exane BNP Paribas.

Rikin Patel
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I have two left. Firstly, on free cash flows. If I look at your inventories, they're now roughly back to where they were at the end of 2021. Given you're expecting an improvement in demand and, and, and volumes in H2, can you maybe just give us some guidance on, on working capital for the period? Secondly, on M&A, Christian, I think you mentioned that you're still aiming to, to spend the EUR 400 million-EUR 500 million this year. Could you maybe just remind us what M&A contribution you're factoring in in your new guidance? Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Yeah. I will take the M&A question, Kristin will take the free cash flow, working capital question. On the M&A side, you know, I think we have disclosed or divulged to you that our pipeline is healthily filled, and that we are planning to execute and in the new horizon, the EUR 400 million-EUR 500 million per year on the M&A side. To be in this guidance, there are not M&A effects included, only the ones which will be closed, but not the ones which we will most likely announce in the second half. I think this is always the guidance is excluding that M&A, which is not really closed yet. I think to be also very specific about this.

We always have said that M&A needs to contribute about 1%-2% on our earnings growth, and this is, you know, something which we continue to execute. There are enough targets in the pipeline and also attractive ones for both divisions, by the way. This is, you know, we are confident that also on the M&A side, we will successfully execute our strategic plan, which we gave to you last November. Kristin, you want to talk about cash flow and working capital?

Kristin Neumann
CFO, Brenntag

Hi, Rikin. On the free cash flow, that is, of course, heavily dependent on the working capital, as you know, compared to our operational EBITA. If you look at the working capital, that is driven, of course, by the top line, first of all, we probably see a stable working capital, maybe a little bit up in the second half of the year. At the same time, we will also work on the efficiency in terms of our stock, and also the DSOs and DPOs, of course, the major driver will be the top line and with the normalizing prices, we would say that this is around stable for the second half of the year.

Rikin Patel
Analyst, Exane BNP Paribas

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

As a reminder, if you have a question for our speakers, please dial star one one now to enter the queue. The next question comes from Thomas Pobuda at Societe Generale.

Thomas Pobuda
Analyst, Societe Generale

Yeah, good afternoon, everyone. I have one question that's on pricing, if I may. If, if I had to collect correctly question you, you previously didn't mention pricing as a risk for the second half of the year, I was a little bit surprised. Could, could you share your thoughts on what you think, how, you know, how the stage of the pricing normalization in chemicals is in your view, and how happy or how unhappy you have been, how your organization handles the price decreases so far? Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Thomas, thanks for the question. I mean, I have been exceptionally pleased with how our commercial organization has dealt with the declining prices in the industry. I mean, they talk about declining chemical prices, you know, when you look at the various value chains, over the last 9 to 12 months already, and I would say they have been remarkably capable to hold on to, to the margins, even sometimes drastically declining prices. This is why, what I mentioned before, the absolute pricing level is not, not really determining for us. I mean, it has an impact, don't get me wrong, but it's not the determining factor. This is a determining factor, how quickly, or you are adjusting your pricing according to what you can source from the market.

If in falling prices, scenarios where you source raw materials that are price level X, if you have a commercial organization who's able to hold them to a different pricing level, which is not one-on-one reflecting that decline, you actually have a good, good margin development. That is what we, what we have been observing, going forward. Again, I want to not negate that, you know, pricing, of course, has an impact on us going forward. The volatility of earnings relative to absolute pricing levels is, is much less pronounced than you do have it in the manufacturing side. This, I would say, is confirmed by the performance we have showed in the second quarter, compared to the manufacturers around us, who have been severely, severely impacted by that lack of demand and pricing declines.

Thomas Pobuda
Analyst, Societe Generale

This is very clear. Thank you.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

You're welcome, Thomas.

Operator

There are no further questions at the moment. For closing remarks, I give back to the speakers.

Christian Kohlpaintner
CEO, Brenntag

Thank you, Lucas. This brings us to the end of the conference call. Thank you very much for your interest in Brenntag and joining us today. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact the IR team. Our Q3 results will be published on November 9, and of course, we would be delighted to see you at our Capital Markets Day on December 5 in London. Ladies and gentlemen, that's it for today. I wish you all a good day and a great week. Goodbye.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attendance. This conference has been concluded. You may disconnect.

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