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Earnings Call: Q2 2018

Aug 14, 2018

Bettina Schneider
SVP of Group Treasury and Investor Relations, Bilfinger

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to our Analyst Investor Conference on the second quarter of 2018. On the call with me today are Tom Blades, our CEO, Dr. Klaus Patzak, our CFO, and Michael Bernhardt, member of the board responsible for HR. We will start now with the presentations, which will be followed by the Q&A session. With this, I would like to hand over to Tom Blades.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Thank you, Bettina, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, also from myself. Moving quickly through the slides and the headlines. Thank you. I think what you're seeing is a continued momentum that we developed already in Q1. Order intake is up on the same quarter last year. We're continuing on double-digit growth, I think that's right to begin with, that's affirmation that our Strategy 2020 is working. Correspondingly, the revenue has also increased significantly. It lags, of course, but also double-digit improvement on an organic basis, we're particularly proud of that. I think on the EBIT line, it's quite easy to be higher than the same quarter last year. You recall that's where we had the provision for some legacy projects in the U.S.A.

Corresponding, we're up, I think we've delivered on expectations, we think that the top-line performance will translate to more EBIT momentum as we go through the year and continue through the remaining two quarters. Also, our net profit is up thanks to the mark-to-market of the PPA note on Apleona. Klaus will give you some more details on that. Finally, on cash flow, we're up above the same quarter last year. We'd like to be a little bit higher, I think we're going to make up some ground again in the second half of the year. The top-line growth you're seeing there, particularly in revenue, does account for higher demand on working capital, accordingly, our cash flow is up, I think it could be a little bit better, we will drive that forward, as I said, in Q3 and Q4.

Finally, of course, on the back of those bold statements, we do confirm our outlook 2018. Again, I'll try to pick up at the end of the presentation on that. I'll give you a brief overview of the markets and how we're doing before then handing to Klaus and looking deeper into the numbers. Generally speaking, the market is positive. We're seeing more tailwinds than headwinds in both segments, both E&T and MMO. If I break it down a bit further, oil and gas, we're seeing investments. In particular, brownfield investments in Europe. In the U.S., it's investments driven by shale gas. The theme story continues, especially around Texas and Louisiana. I think some of the announcements we've made, they verify that that business is picking up.

We also see early signs in the Middle East. We're getting a lot of inquiries from the national oil companies, which again leads us to the conclusion that they're looking to switching from cost cutting to investment mode. Some of the projects that have been announced, for example, Ruwais in Abu Dhabi, a EUR 43 billion CapEx project, that leads us to be also positive on the Middle East market. Chemicals and petrochemicals, I think a very similar story. It's essentially the oil and gas feeding downstream. We see that in, again, Gulf Coast investments for the first time. We're hearing stories of the consideration to build new refineries, oil and gas refineries. That hasn't happened for a very long time, and I think it reaffirms the bullish mood of the North American market. In Europe, we're seeing brownfield investments.

These are expansions, these are enhancements and efficiency-driven investments. Finally, of course, in the Middle East, as I mentioned, I think the fact, for example, that Aramco is looking at acquiring SABIC shows a continued drive to keep value add in country or in the Middle East, rather than exporting the goods and letting someone else drive the remainder of the value chain. The CapEx situation around energy and utilities is mainly a nuclear story for us in Europe. Hinkley Point and other projects in the U.K. continue. They're being dragged out a little bit. We thought they would have materialized by this time already. We're not too concerned as it's not a cancellation or business going to someone else rather than delays in the project itself, and we do expect these to come through either late this year or early next year.

We also see a growing demand in regulatory-driven CapEx. This is around emissions, and I think some of the work we've been doing on taking our business or our technology from the coal emissions through to the marine emissions, as explained at the Capital Markets Day, is bearing fruition, and again, we have a slide on that a little bit further on. Finally, pharma and biopharma. I think this is business as usual, but it's good business usual because biopharma has been growing the last years, the last quarters, and it continues to do so. We're very fortunate, I think, to have some aspects of our portfolio that are just very consistent growth stories. Turning the page to MMO. Our MMO business around oil and gas is predominantly the North Sea, both sides, the U.K. side and the Norwegian side.

As predicted there, customers are beginning to benefit, not only from the cash flow, but from a balance sheet perspective and turning that benefit, the higher oil price, and the fact that they're now able to do catch-up work on their delayed maintenance is showing itself in our own order intake and our revenue. That's particularly true on the Norwegian side, where, as you recall, we entered into a 14-year extension last year with now Equinor, formerly Statoil, and that's actually paying off well. We're seeing a pickup in activity there. As the oil price does what it does, remains high and stable, customers are getting more confident and turning that into investments into their facilities. Chemicals and petrochemicals, a similar kind of story around Europe, but also in the Middle East.

At this moment in time, we're already doing planning for large turnarounds for 2019 and also 2020. You recall, these projects come along every two to five years. They take roughly three years of planning, and then three to five weeks of execution with between 300 and 3,000 additional people on site. A lot of pre-work being done, and already now we can see that the market's going to be tight in 2019 and 2020, which of course, leads to better pricing positions for companies like Bilfinger. On the energy side, it continues to be, let's say, low demand on classic energy. What is proving to be interesting is, of course, alternative energy and our market in the Middle East. I would say in the market in the Middle East, our mainstay countries for energy utilities are Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

In both cases, I think we're well positioned and also beginning to see the first signs of concerns around emissions. Investments being made or considered to be made in reducing flue stack emissions and trying to adhere to stricter local Middle East environmental regulatory demands. Metallurgy. We've been good in aluminum. That does continue both in Europe and in the Middle East, and now we're seeing the first signs of recovery in steel. As I mentioned at the beginning, overall, in both of our segments, we're seeing more tailwinds than headwinds, and that means we're optimistic going forward. Picking up on some of the examples that we showed at the Capital Markets Day, the first one being digitalization. It's going according to plan.

You recall that when we announced our aspirations for 2018, we said that we would invest into digitalization, we would invest into business development. We're doing so. We are beginning to see the benefits. Digitalization is a startup. We're investing. We're in a, let's say, loss-making position, but expected to be so for the first couple of years. However, we are seeing that additional maintenance contracts are coming our way, and they're coming our way because the customers see us as a leader in terms of developing not only things like Bilfinger Maintenance Concept, but also in terms of BCAP, Bilfinger Connected Asset Performance, and I think this is a real attest to the work of the team. When we announced the formation of Bilfinger Digital Next, we said we were targeting a population of 30 FTE in that group.

We now have all 30 people on board. They're based in Heidelberg, just outside of Mannheim. We gave them a separate location to, let's say, give them a separate identity, give them a little bit more, dare I say, sex appeal, and that's working well. We've been able to attract not only the numbers, but also the right quality of people. We also have new customers, and again, here it's surprising because our initial target market were the small and mid-size companies, but now larger names such as HeidelbergCement, such as Alcoa, are coming to us, and beginning to talk about the first pilot projects. Another interesting part is that we've also been able to conclude the first of our augmented reality services, a long title.

Very simply put, we have a number of these Google Lens or HoloLens, as Microsoft will call it, that we've now been able to rent out as a service to customers. Through these, we're able to superimpose additional data from a central control center to help the worker out in the field, when they're performing their maintenance tasks or when they're performing the repair tasks. Again, another step forward in driving our digital value proposition. Also mentioned at the Capital Markets Day was some, I think, very neat, innovative technology that we've been able to apply. We've taken our, let's say, old-fashioned coal-fired power station technology, where we've been able to take the flue gas emission cleanup hardware, adapt it to a very different environment, and that's the marine environment. I think the first result of that you can see on the slide here, the famous Aurelia.

It's now been running since 2016 without a single hiccup. When you look closely at the picture, you see kind of a piggyback on the back of the funnel. We've now developed technology further, and now it fits into the funnel itself. On that basis, we've been able to attract a couple of large orders in Q3, by the way, not in Q2. Two of these we've talked about from two Greek shipping companies. In total, over 40 units have been ordered, over EUR 40 million was the size of those orders. If you've been reading the press, it states that each order is worth about EUR 2 million or cost about EUR 2 million. That's because we have EUR 1 million in CapEx and EUR 1 million is the cost of installing this equipment.

That OpEx in installing it is actually money made by the shipyards that take the Bilfinger technology and actually then build it into the funnels of those ships when they come into port and spend a couple of days before going back out on the seas. We also mentioned some of the tailwinds we're seeing on account of shale gas and other projects. In Q2, we did take in our first large contract for quite a long time. You recall the self-imposed threshold of EUR 100 million in early 2016. We've now taken in, as mentioned there in the green box, a major contract for Linde. Linde is the EPC, the end customer is Braskem, and that project is well in excess of EUR 100 million. Why could we do that?

Because of all the hard work that the team has put in these last couple of years to drive risk assessment, to drive risk management, to develop the stage gate process. Not only to recognize and manage risk through appropriate contracts, but also to execute on risk in the field. That's given us confidence, as I said, confidence not only to try to win these projects, but in this case, we actually were the best offer on the market, and we succeeded in closing that with Linde. That project is on its way. It's in the port in Texas, just outside Houston. If you're passing there, you see a lot of activity. The customer is pleased with progress, and we're also pleased with that contract so far. I mentioned the Middle East.

Two of the mainstay countries for our, let's say, energy MMO business, Saudi Arabia, where we work for SEC, and Kuwait, where we work for MEW. In both cases, we've been in the country for 50 plus or minus years, working with a very strong focus on energy and utilities. As of late, we've now been able to develop that position in country to work on oil and gas customers. They think it look obvious to you, but it wasn't obvious in the past.

I think, therefore, the recent announcement where we released the fact that we've been awarded a project by Saudi Aramco on the Berri Gas Plant, I think this is the first real success story where we've broken into the oil and gas market, where we're now qualified to tender for other business that Aramco has and where we're actually quite optimistic in being able to win more work. It's a very similar picture in Kuwait. As I mentioned, MEW is our customer since 55 years, and we're now engaged with KOC and talking of various projects where we think we can satisfy demand in the oil and gas business in Kuwait, which until now has not been on our radar. Middle East continues to be an opportunity for us. We think our systems are in place, not only technical systems and contractor systems, also compliance systems.

With that, I would hand over to Klaus and begin to walk through the numbers. Klaus, over to you.

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

Thanks, Tom. Good afternoon, everybody, thank you for joining our call. We will now have a closer look on the financials, we'll start on page 10. You see that the positive momentum in orders received continued, we have delivered organic growth in the fifth consecutive quarter now. The 21% organic year-on-year increase in the second quarter was supported by large project contracts such as Linde Braskem, also supported by new framework contracts. We had double-digit increases in both E&T and MMO. Order backlog is up 11% or 13% organically. Booked to bill in the second quarter was 1.1 despite a significant growth in sales. In the second half of the year, we will have tougher comps, the order entry in our project business can be volatile, as you know.

Regarding the U.K. nuclear tenders, for example, I would now anticipate awards only in early 2019. Nevertheless, as the general momentum remains positive, it is reasonable to assume for the full year growth in organic orders received of at least 5%. Turning to the next page on revenue and profitability. Revenue is up 10% organically, especially due to growth in the European MMO business. This contributed to a mid-single digit organic growth in the first half of 2018. Again here, as the general momentum remains positive, it is reasonable to assume slight growth rather than a stable development for the full year. Adjusted EBITDA of EUR 12 million improved significantly. The prior year quarter was, however, burdened by project provisions of EUR 53 million. For 2018, we continue to expect EBITDA adjusted in the mid to higher double-digit million EUR range.

As you know, this includes increased startup costs for business development and digitalization, which will further ramp up in the second half of the year. The burdens from special items decreased to EUR 13 million in the quarter, resulting in an EBITDA reported of minus EUR 1 million. The special items of EUR 13 million include a couple of things. First of all, a EUR 2 million gain from the disposal of one of our dilutive OOP units, a EUR 5 million expense for the improvement of our compliance system, EUR 4 million in restructuring costs and EUR 6 million for IT investments with regard to our process and system harmonization project. For 2018, for the full year, we expect special items to amount to approximately EUR 50 million. That is what we have already communicated earlier. On the next chart, Chart 12, on gross profit and SG&A.

First, with regard to gross profit or gross margin, we have seen a positive trend in the second quarter of 2018. Adjusted gross margin has been 9% in the second quarter and is therefore above the second quarter of 2017. The prior year quarter, obviously also the gross margin was burdened by the charges mentioned earlier. However, the adjusted gross margin also improved sequentially. The SG&A expenses also improved. The adjusted SG&A ratio stands now at 8.7%, below the prior year quarter, but also lower sequentially. In the second quarter 2018, an absolute decrease in administrative costs came along with a stable figure for selling costs, where we have strengthened our business development capabilities and invested in digital solutions for our customers. These additional investments in business development and in digitalizations are now expected to be just shy of EUR 20 million for the full year.

Thereof, cost of digitalization of about EUR 5 million will be booked in our headquarters line item in the second half of 2018, as we have now founded, as also Tom mentioned, Bilfinger Digital Next, our corresponding center of competence. On Chart 13, E&T. Orders received there by 21% on a reported basis, 28% organically. That is obviously due to the large Linde Braskem order in the U.S. Revenue is up 12% organically. The book-to-bill ratio has increased to 1.3. The revenue growth was mainly driven by the U.S. business, where we have, as Tom said, tailwinds from the market. We have, on the other hand, still underutilization in some of the ex power entities and also still in the U.S., but we expect growing capacity utilization in E&T going forward. In this quarter, the negative impact of underutilization was offset by positive effects from project closeouts.

As a result, we have realized an adjusted EBITDA of EUR 7 million. For the full year, we expect, as earlier communicated, an organic stabilization of revenues, combined with a significant increase in earnings, which will turn EBITDA adjusted back into positive territory. On MMO, where we have delivered 25% organic growth in orders. This order development was especially positive in Continental and Northwest Europe with, on the one hand, new framework contracts and also higher volume expectation on existing ones. Revenue in MMO grew by 10% organically, that means that now organic growth for the first half stands at 9% at MMO. Given the positive business dynamic, it is fair to assume that we also will see here growth for the full year. Regarding earnings, EBITDA adjusted was EUR 19 million in the second quarter, resulting in an EBITDA adjusted margin of 2.6%.

This was below the prior year quarter due to disputed claims against an important customer. Though better than in the first quarter of 2018, when these contracts already impacted results, but to a somewhat smaller degree. We talk here about several smaller relocation assignments with a long-term customer. We agreed to move the discussion around change order requests into the third quarter to avoid delays of the work completion. For 2018, we continue to expect a slight improvement in EBITDA adjusted. On other operations, Chart 15. As you can see, we have made good progress on our M&A track. All 13 dilutive units within other operations have either been sold or terminated. In the second quarter, we have realized positive earnings in the amount of EUR 2 million from disposals and the corresponding cash out of EUR 4 million.

With regard to the accretive units, we now have initiated the sales process for two out of the four remaining units. Looking at the business development of other operations, we have seen a strong increase in orders received in the second quarter. Orders received amounted to EUR 34 million and was organically 33% below prior year. Revenue has been declining as well to EUR 55 million in the second quarter, being organically 7% below the prior year quarter. The decrease in order entry and revenues was mainly driven by our South African entity, which is facing contract award delays. Looking at earnings, EBITDA adjusted slightly decreased from minus EUR 1 million to minus EUR 2 million, especially due to underutilization. For the full year, we expect a decrease in revenue and a significant improvement in EBITDA adjusted, last but not least, due to the completed sale of the Valecrif entities.

On cash and profit. Operating cash flow improved significantly in the second quarter as anticipated, and both reported and adjusted improved. Although the second quarter cash numbers are still negative due to seasonality. Also for the first half, we are up against the prior year, and that is something which is also good and necessary, but also remarkable after the comparably weak first quarter performance. Our target for 2018 remains a positive free cash flow on an adjusted base. Net profit improved in the second quarter, both adjusted and reported. Reported net profit was EUR 12 million and includes a EUR 22 million write-up of the Apleona preferred participation note. This financial asset has now a book value of EUR 233 million, which is in our view, still a rather conservative number. There is further valuation upside as long as Apleona continues to develop positively.

The valuation of this asset is reviewed every quarter on the base of its financial performance, its planning, and other financial parameters. The adjusted net profit of EUR 8 million is excluding this write-up effect and also excludes special items, EBITDA, and taxes. Looking at working capital, you see that net trade assets increased in the second quarter, both year-over-year and sequentially, mainly due to the ongoing growth in MMO, which typically consumes working capital as also Tom mentioned already. Net trade assets in days, however, have decreased year-over-year. This reflects E&T coming also back to growth, typically with negative net working capital due to prepayments, partly compensating the additional need in MMO. Net liquidity has decreased to EUR 60 million at the end of the second quarter.

The development was impacted by a gross and used increase in net working capital, cash out for special items and legacy projects, the dividend payment, as well as our share buyback program. For the year-end, we expect positive net liquidity despite the still ongoing share buyback program. With this, I hand it back to you, Tom.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Okay. Thank you, Klaus. Concluding on the outlook and the strategy, I think no surprise on the outlook. We're still confident on orders received, but I would underline the word mid. It's going to be well, going to be on the right side of mid on order intake. I think also revenue, the word I would underscore there will be growing. Organically stable to slightly growing. Yes, we will be growing the revenue too. Of course, finally on the EBITDA side, we have our two strongest quarters ahead of us. We have a good top-line development; therefore, we think that will feed through and we're going to be on track to achieving our commitment there, mid to higher double-digit EBITDA result. The final slide before questions is on the strategy. We said also the Capital Markets Day, what would define stabilization in E&T?

It would be, as I said on that day, four successive quarters of positive EBITDA. We were already stable in MMO, of course, and with this quarter we've achieved that, and therefore we've awarded ourselves the big green check mark on the stabilization phase of the strategy. Of course, that puts us under pressure, because we can only go forward from here. We can't go back. That's well recognized. Of course, on the left side, on the stabilization shopping list there, the last item was operating performance improved. I think with E&T, we're not where we want to be ultimately, but we're into the green, we're into the positive, and that's what's given us the confidence to close out that phase and to now look forward to the second phase of the Strategy 2020, which is build up.

On build up, you can see already we've shown that we can grow the top line. I do recall when we unveiled the strategy in February 2017, that was one of the big question marks. Can we grow in, I think, what many determined, what many termed to be a mature market? I think we're showing that yes, we can. Yes, top line growth resumed. The organization is in full swing. Project management is established and we're going forward. With that, I will pass it back to Bettina, and we'll be happy to take your questions.

Bettina Schneider
SVP of Group Treasury and Investor Relations, Bilfinger

Yes. Thank you very much. We will now start our Q&A session.

Operator

We would now be happy to take any questions you may have. If you would like to ask a question, please press zero and one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press zero and two. I repeat, to ask a question, please press zero and one. The first question comes from Christian Koch from HSBC. May I have your question, please?

Christian Koch
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you very much. Good afternoon. I just have a couple of questions. The first one is, may I please ask you to shed some more light on the comment about MMO earnings, about the disputed claim that you stated in the presentation, please? Secondly, looking at the overhead costs, these are down quite a bit compared to a year. They were already down a little bit in Q1 and down a little bit more in Q2. I would like to know if this is sustainable already, of course, before costs for digitalization and moving your headquarters that will come in the second half. With regards to yesterday's news about the scrubber business, I would like to ask, what is your annual capacity? How much can you actually do per year?

Or in other words, how long does the order that you published yesterday take you to work it off? Is it something that will keep you busy for a year, or a little longer, or a little less than a year? I don't know. Anything would be very helpful, I think. Thank you very much.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Okay. Let me begin with a little bit of background on the MMO project that we're talking about. I will pass it to Klaus on the bookkeeping around that. Essentially, we have a very particular long-serving customer that is looking at upgrading their production lines. They've taken on board an engineering company to help them do that. We're kind of the tier 2 under that engineering company to actually execute the upgrade, the move of those production facilities. In the course of that work, we have done more work than we've been paid for. We are in negotiations with the direct engineering company and the ultimate customer, those discussions are not concluded yet. They will probably only conclude somewhere in the third quarter, therefore we've taken the prudent measures in terms of accounting for those potential disputes. Klaus, did you want to add to that?

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

Yeah. Basically, everything has been said. Meanwhile, the work orders have been mostly completed and the discussions are scheduled. I would not see any further significant negative impact for the second half. It is something which had an impact, obviously, in the second quarter. There was also a somewhat smaller impact in the first quarter and a bigger rate in the fourth quarter. That's something which has developed. Obviously, we have been looking also into root causes and streamlined a couple of things in order for that not to be repeatable. I would go to the next question. That is the overhead cost. In the second quarter, that was actually a very low number. I think the run rate would be more what you have seen in the first quarter. Yeah.

As you mentioned earlier, if you take that by four and then you obviously have to add then roughly EUR 5 million digitalization on that, and then you are on our forecast level.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Yeah. I would add to that we still remain on track and focus on an ultimate level by 2020 of 7.5%. That was our stated ambition in 2017 when we unveiled the strategy and the execution plan, and that remains valid as we go forward. To your question on the scrubbers, there's actually a very nice write-up by HSBC, no less, on the marine market. Scrubbers are definitely in. I think your study from HSBC shows that currently there are 208, or at the beginning of 2018, there were 208 installed scrubbers on marine vessels. I think you predict 1,250 by 2020. That's more or less a 1,000 units pickup. Can the market provide that pickup? We ourselves, with the 40 we've taken in, we're roughly at 80% capacity. We're roughly at 12 months delivery time for those.

Based on expectations supported by Deutsche Bank study, supported by the HSBC study, we think that we will need to at least double our capacity. Of course, our propensity to do so will be driven by the kind of margins we expect. We do see this to be a very interesting development on the market. It was foreseen, which is why we invested in the first place. We do think there's potential to push the margins, at least for a period of time while we get over this initial demand and supply issue. Once again, if we can do that, we will double our capacity from roughly 50 units per annum to 100 units per annum. The rest will be driven by what we see on the market.

Christian Koch
Analyst, HSBC

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Jeff

Operator

The next question comes from Norbert Kretlow. Norbert Kretlow, your line is open.

Norbert Kretlow
Analyst, Commerzbank

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. One follow-up on the MMO margin, if I may. Could you please give us an update on the current status of the turnaround projects, where we are now? Have there been any such projects already executed in Q2, or are we still waiting for this to come back 2020? A second question would also be a follow-up, on the scrubbers. You talked about the current capacity. Can you quantify the current capacity that you have, the one that you want to double? A third question would be a more general one on the digitalization strategy, providing digitalization solutions to your clients. What we are hearing now is that IT companies start to, say, complain about service companies entering their business.

Is there any risk regarding a more fierce competition between, say, Bilfinger and the IT industry, which then might exert pressure on margins?

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Okay. Good questions, Mr. Kretlow, as always. Let me begin with MMO and turnaround margins. I think that's what you're referring to. We have been doing a couple of small turnarounds, as I mentioned, I think a couple of times, the big year, the tough year is going to be in 2019. When I say tough, we're looking at how many can we sign up for. We try to do this across Europe. Although in Europe, we have the two divisions, we have Continental Europe and Northwest Europe. The turnarounds stretch from Austria, Germany into Holland and Belgium, we're trying to take a bigger picture view of these, something which we wouldn't have done so in the past. In the past, we would have tried to address them with local legal entities, now we try to address them with a bigger picture Bilfinger approach.

We have a dedicated team, if you recall, beginning of the year, we also mentioned that we were, let's say, reversing the decision on the entity we have in Austria called VAM. V-A-M, that had been an entity held for sale. We reversed the decision in order to put VAM right in the sweet spot or in the center of driving those turnaround projects. The effect that you're expecting to see will materialize in 2019. 2019 will be significantly higher than 2018 and 2017, 2020 will also be higher than 2018, but maybe not quite as high as 2019. That gives you kind of a shape of the turnaround business coming our way, I think we're well positioned to deal with that. Certainly, much better positioned than we had been in the last couple of years.

If I've answered that question, I move on to your second question regarding the scrubbers. It's a fascinating market, and I urge you to read the HSBC report. I'm sure Mr. Koch can give you a copy of that. Quoting from memory, 53,000 ships out there. That's a lot of ships. When surveyed, 68% of the people said they would switch to low sulfur fuel, 21% said they would switch to scrubbers. 21% of 53,000, that's a very big number. I don't even want to articulate it. The target is that reasonably speaking, 1,250, so a little bit over 1,200 would target a scrubber solution, assuming, of course, that the marine industry, the shipping industry, is cash flow positive, that they have money on the accounts to pay for that CapEx. That being the case, I think we're one of maybe less than 10 providers.

We think we can do currently 50 a year. That would be 500 tops on the market. You see the economics speak in our favor and our target capacity, given the fact that this is a wave that's going through, it's not an infinite business, it's a wave going through. Our target capacity is roughly 100 up from the current 50 that we have today. Your third question around digitalization, the risk from competition with IT incumbents. I think it's very flattering that they say we're moving into our business. As you recall, we are in the digitalization business because of the fact that we're in the process business. We're the people on the ground inside of the customer's process facilities. We've been there a number of years.

We know their plant, we know their requirements. Of course, when you're trying to anticipate or predict and preempt plant performance, we're the obvious company to turn to. We, in turn, look at partnering. We don't want to reinvent the wheel. A lot of these facilities already have a DCS system in place, a distributed control system. It can be a Siemens, it can be a Yokogawa, it can be a Honeywell. We take those systems, we work with them. They can have an IT system in place. It can be an SAP system, it can be an Oracle system. We take what's there and work with them. We combine the two of them together, the OT, the operating technology, and the IT. Our technology, we put it into a cloud.

We accelerate the speed with which the data gets into the cloud by using things like Cumulocity with our partnership with Software AG. We bring in Siemens and Comos to help drive the digital twin. Really, we're the bridge builder, as we've said a number of times. The IT companies, if they work with us and work with our end customers, will of course profit from what we do. We don't see ourselves as being a direct competitor, rather we're an enabler, I would say.

Norbert Kretlow
Analyst, Commerzbank

That's very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question comes from Gregor Kuglitsch. Gregor Kuglitsch, your line is open.

Gregor Kuglitsch
Analyst, UBS

Hi. Got a few questions as well. Just on the guidance. Obviously, at least arithmetically, it assumes or implies you kind of expect a much lower pace of order intake in the second half, and I think also a little bit on revenues. Obviously, we can all see the comparators getting a little bit harder. I just want to understand, is this something you're seeing that causes you to say this, or is it more you don't want to change, kind of fine-tune guidance to that level of accuracy? Of the EUR 20 million digitalization cost, can you just tell us how much you've actually incurred in the first half and where it's at? Because obviously that's important for the phasing of earnings. Maybe just finally on the comments you made on the scrubbers.

Can you just tell us in terms of revenues, what does this actually mean? What do you generate with 50 units per annum? I just want to understand the context of the wider group. Thanks.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Maybe I'll let Klaus go first on the outlook and on the order intake, and then I'll pick up on digitalization.

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

Yeah, Kuglitsch, you already heard what I tried to say basically on order entries and revenues. Verbally, we kind of adapted a little bit or gave a little bit more color on the guidance, right? Indeed, on the one hand, times are getting tougher. We are still cautious because of the volatility of our project business. We had to also consider that the nuclear business is moving out into the first quarter. Still, given all that, we basically verbally gave more color into the positive sense. In general, we also came to the conclusion that we'd rather update on guidance in the third quarter more comprehensively instead of doing that now. On digitalization and business development, you remember that we said an additional EUR 20 million. Today, I said it will be a little bit shy of that number. We are rather talking between EUR 15 million and EUR 20 million.

The reason for me to say that indeed, in the first half it was less than the EUR 10 million expense what we had. It was between EUR 6 million, EUR 7 million, something like that. We expect that to a little bit accelerate, of course, due to the digital mix now. All in all, I think it's according to plan. We have the people now on board. It will be a little bit less in cost for the full year than originally planned. With that, Tom.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Your question on the margins and the scrubbers is an interesting one because what I'm finding is that this requires a little bit of a mindset change. We've been used to low margin business, we've been used to project business. This is moving towards, it's not quite a production line, but if I take the 40 scrubber, the orders we took in, there are actually three basic models in that lineup. If you then say, okay, you have three basic models, how do you then drive down costs? Of course, the costs are, it's modular approach. It's purchasing success. We're even looking a bit further as we try to decide where to expand our production facilities. We're of course looking at producing closer to where the customer requires these units. Where they do require them is actually in China and in the Middle East.

The refits and retrofits in order to build in the scrubbers are today taking place in shipyards in Asia and in the Middle East. We're saying, can we find, let's say, production facilities closer to those end markets, which will not only allow us to grow our capacity, but also take down our costs. Finally, of course, when you're in a situation where demand exceeds supply, which is not something we're normally faced with in Bilfinger, then of course, the question is how hard can you push on the margin side and take advantage of, let's say, a window opportunity in the market. Having said all that, the 40 that we took in are accretive to our bottom line.

As we go forward, it means that we want to be doing well in excess of, let's say, 15%-20% growth margins, we have yet to land such projects. Of course, the appetite of our competitors will also be a factor in that. We think this is the right time to do so. Again, it's a fun challenge, pushing the organization to think multiple versions of a single unit and, of course, then to think of significantly higher margins.

Gregor Kuglitsch
Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at the moment. If you want to ask a question, please press zero and one. The next question comes from Olivier Calvet. Your line is open.

Olivier Calvet
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes. Good afternoon. Concerning the recovery in your profitability, moving forward, what kind of threats or risks do you see on this way?

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Maybe I can just ask you to elaborate on the question. It's risk on the profitability? Is that what you're asking? Specific risk on projects and technology or markets and customers?

Olivier Calvet
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Well, I'm just asking on the recovery of the profitability at this stage, where you see the main risk of not reaching the targets which you've given in terms of time spans.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Mm-hmm. Look, maybe if I can begin and then pass it to Klaus to underline and conclude my statement. When looking backwards, we had profitability issues around capacity utilization, around project execution, and then around certain breakaway markets, such as conventional power generation in Europe.

I think when I look at the conventional power industry, we're close to having turned that around in terms of exiting from the industry. We've sold the loss-making entities that were a drain on our cash position, on our balance sheet, and on our resources and management attention. We've been able to focus more on what works, such as the emissions, going forward, focusing on nuclear, which will come to fruition. I'm very confident there, but of course, only the customer decides, once we get our first larger order intake from the U.K. on their nuclear build-out project. Then, of course, the big one has been project execution. This time last year, we were sitting here trying to explain why we had put in place all these project governance, not only being selective but also being careful in execution, why we had a legacy project.

I would say that is to 99% behind us.

Things can still happen, but I think recognizing, reducing, eliminating, and managing risk is number one. Number two is capacity, and number three is being in the correct markets, avoiding the wrong markets. Then I would ask Klaus to round up on that.

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

I think that was already pretty comprehensive. Tom already said that at the moment, we have tailwinds in some of our markets, right? Oil and gas is doing good. Petrochemical is doing good. We see in some of our markets that basically now the deferred maintenance is coming back and so on and so forth. I would say the key risk to our target is that there is a sudden change in the overall macroeconomic environment, which would make our customers be, again, more cautious, where at the moment, they are in the process of opening their pockets, right? That is the one thing. Of course, there is also opportunities. If you talk risks, there's opportunities. We talked about digitalization. I would think that is something which is actually, that will come irrespective of the economic situation, but it's just a must.

That will be definitely something which is positive. I think as G&A, that is in our hand. I think we are making progress. I would not see that as a risk. The challenge, if you look at the numbers, is more on the gross margin side. That is here, on the one hand, balancing growth with risk appetite and, on the other hand, playing the mix game. As Tom said, moving into higher margin areas. That could be regional, that could be in certain industry. All in all, I think, it is still quite a way to go, but the targets are achievable if we basically follow through with the action items and plans we have defined.

Olivier Calvet
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Concerning the capacity utilization, could you quantify it in E&T?

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

Well, the capacity utilization in E&T, I cannot give you an overall number. It is small. In different companies, a different play. We have companies in E&T which are kind of fully loaded. For companies which are working on the engineering side, in the chemical industry, for example, in Germany, but also in France, I would say, where they are also doing work in the nuclear industry. Therefore, we have only underutilization in some specific companies. One would be in an ex-power company in Germany, where, however, the scrubber business will kick in, and on the other hand, we now landed the first order in cement. Here, I think, it is something where we have underutilization now, but we hope, given these two topics I just mentioned, that at least the downward trend in capacity utilization will be stopped.

The other thing where I am quite confident is that in the United States, in our engineering business, construction business, there is still underutilization because we kept our core resources despite the downturn. If you look at the orders we have communicated, and I guess there is also more to come, that is something which will only, this underutilization will still be for the full fiscal year, but it will significantly ease in the first quarter, I would say, in 2019.

Olivier Calvet
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you. Very clear. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Robin Maxwell. Your line is open now.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Hi. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Just three questions, and the first one is because I am only a part-time boarder of Bilfinger at the moment, sadly. Just on the Linde contract that you won in the U.S., you just mentioned in the call a figure of EUR 100 million. The project value was $675 million. Can you just clarify to me exactly how much of that $675 is available to Bilfinger?

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Okay.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

I just want to get my figures straight on this one.

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

Yeah. Rounding off, let's say a quarter of that value is available to us. The way the project is structured, there's the customer, then the next level is the EPC, engineering, procurement, and construction responsible party, that's Linde. Linde, they outsource that construction work. The engineering they did themselves. A lot of procurement they did themselves, but they outsourced that construction work to two major companies. One does the civils, and the civil in this case is quite complex. It's a lot of pile driving.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

Essentially, you drill holes in the ground, you fill them with cement, so you're creating columns, if you like.

You excavate the earth, you fill in the excavated earth with cement to create a solid foundation on which to build the plant. That's one contract. We don't have that one.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Right.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

We didn't want it, that's lucky, I should say. The second one is the mechanical construction. This is all the piping work. This is where we excel. This is the contract we do have, and that can be, like I said, up to a quarter of the number you mentioned.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Okay. That's useful because I hadn't appreciated. Then just coming back onto the scrubbers point and just looking at the 1,250 ships that are identified by the HSBC report. Is that 1,250, does that number come from as a result of legislation at a local level or as a result of the type of ships that can be fitted with this? What's capping that figure at 1,250 or is there much more potential to go after that?

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

I could bounce it over now to HSBC colleague and ask him to answer your question. The report's actually very well-written, so compliments again to HSBC. It creates scenarios along freight rates, what are the day rates on shipping. It creates another dimension of scenario on regulatory issues, how strongly they are enforced. With this four-quadrant scenario, it drops into numbers.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Yeah.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

I would say there's still assumptions behind that.

Okay.

Of course, the upside is much higher, the downside is much lower. It's a fair number from what I've seen on the market, and of course, cash flow of the fleet owners and how strict the various enforcement agencies actually monitor the process will be the real determinant of that ultimate number of scrubbers going out there into the marine environment.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Okay. The CapEx that you're going to have to put in to double your capacity is what figure?

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

It's minimal.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Okay.

Klaus Patzak
CFO, Bilfinger

It really is minimal because when you look at what we do, we're buying raw material, we're assembling and engineering. We're not looking at robot-driven production lines or anything like this.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Okay. Just, sorry, the last question, I got disturbed during. You were answering my former colleague, Mr. Kretlow's question on digitalization. The Software AG tie-up. Did I get the impression that's running slightly behind schedule?

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

No.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Could you just repeat what you said there?

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

No, quite the contrary. Norbert Kretlow was asking about, let's say, rumors that he'd heard from the IT companies that we were moving into their space, or they were considering moving into our space. The thrust of my answer was that we're complementary and in no way antagonistic. We put pieces together. We don't develop a lot of software. We do develop learning behind the algorithms, algorithm training, as it's called in the digitalization world. We actually are an enabler for companies like Software AG, that's our partner, like Microsoft, another partner. They provide the Microsoft Azure and the security around that cloud. COMOS, Siemens is a partner. We actually partner with these very same companies.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Okay.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

We help them to do more business.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Sorry, I wrote down EUR 15 million-EUR 20 million as a figure that was mentioned around that discussion. What was that referring to?

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

That was referring to, it's essentially a startup within Bilfinger.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Okay.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

We gave it a separate entity, so Bilfinger Digital Next. We gave them a two-year opportunity to lose money, if you like. We think across that two years, they're going to need EUR 15 million-EUR 20 million.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Got you.

Tom Blades
CEO, Bilfinger

To fund the startup, essentially. We think they're going to be accretive, in other words, generating positive returns as of year three, which would then be 2020.

Robin Maxwell
Partner, Lancea Partners

Great. Excellent. That's great. Thanks.

Bettina Schneider
SVP of Group Treasury and Investor Relations, Bilfinger

Thank you very much. We now conclude our Q&A session. For any further questions, Robin, please contact us, and everybody else as well. Thank you very much and goodbye.