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Earnings Call: Q2 2025

Aug 12, 2025

Johannes Laumann
Chief Investment Officer, Mutares

A very warm welcome to our H1 2025 Earnings Call. I'm very happy to introduce you to a new format of the earnings call, which from now on we would like to share with you and we would like to host you. In the new format, we want to introduce and we want to have more detailed insight on our portfolios. As you can see, we are here now in a studio, at the Magirus Museum, in Neu-Ulm , presenting the Magirus Museum in Neu-Ulm. Later on, you will even get more insights on Magirus presented by the CEO of the company. Let me first get you through the agenda. We're going to kick off with a reminder on our business model. Then, Mark will lead through H1 financials. I'll give you a portfolio update where we will do some changes here.

After the Magirus insight, you also get an outlook on the second half of 2025. First of all, let me remind you on our business model. Looking back on H1, I think it's also needed after facing the results out of the Gotham report, having the BaFin part, having the Seneca year-end things. I'm very sure H2 will be a very business-focused, buying companies, selling companies, making shareholders, stakeholders, and at the end, also our people happy. Let me remind you quickly on the business model. Our mission, our mission is to transform these stressed companies. In other words, turning garbage into diamonds. Our values, entrepreneurship. I just came out of an interview, and the most important character working for us is entrepreneurship. We are the normal ones, and we are the trustable ones. We take entrepreneurial risk in order to create the diamonds.

We want to be the global leader in a special covert situation. We want to be the first in mind, first in choice when it comes to corporates or large companies want to divest part of their business. At the end of the day, we all do this to create shareholder value. Looking quickly on the investment highlights. Investing into Mutares means you're investing in one of the leading global firms when it comes to distressed assets turnaround situation. When it comes to that loss-making business. Yesterday we announced that we acquired a business from Jost, a grain business, mobile cranes for trucks, for cars, and for marine applications. In this company, not much works. We have an oversized facility, a factory in Italy, which we need to work. We have working capital from here to the end of the world. We have quality issues. We have unsatisfied customers.

We have a sales network which doesn't work enough. This is all what we have to fix. This is all what we have to fix in our turnaround scenario. You're investing in a very balanced portfolio. We have early cycle businesses. We have late cycle businesses. We have non-cycle businesses. At any time, we have a chance to buy a company. We have a chance to sell a company. We have a very stable deliverable throughout the entire portfolio. At the end of the day, we do that for returns. We do that for shareholder valuation. We want to have an increased stock price. We want to have a proper dividend at the year end. We want to satisfy all shareholders and stakeholders. Summarizing the operating model, we buy companies. That's the very first step. We have to acquire them.

For the second half of the year, the acquisition, when I go through the segments, what is our focus? On the acquisition side, on the Automotive & Mobility segment, which is one of our first, which is the first segment, we very much cherry pick. We want to focus to make our groups complete: the Amaneos Group, the Ferr Al United Group. In Engineering & Technology, we want to focus on the energy segment and on the building materials segment. For goods and services, industrial services is a big topic. With Nervión in Spain, we have just acquired a company which we want to further build also throughout the year. We want to focus on logistic companies. We have just acquired Intime. We have acquired Fuentes. We want to focus also on the chemical part.

Overall, I'm very convinced that we buy again companies with a total turnover in 2025 of around EUR 1 billion and above. We need to turn them around. Realignment optimization phase. This is where our 160 consultants work day and night, give everything and fight to make the company tomorrow a little bit better than the company is today. This is where we generate holding revenues through consulting fees. This is where we generate holding income through dividends. Last but not least, and this is just a repetition of what we have said, in 2025, we want to achieve at least EUR 200 million of exit proceeds throughout the entire year. Having started off with divestment of Steyr, having started off with divestment of Locapharm, having started off with the IPO of Terranor, there will be more in the second half of 2025. I'm convinced to reach the EUR 200 million here.

With that reminder, I would like to hand over to Mark to give you more insights on the H1 2025.

Mark Friedrich
CFO, Mutares

Thanks, Johannes. Moving directly to the first slide, the key financials of the Mutares Group and the Mutares Holding. Starting with revenue, you see here right away that we try to better explain the link between the different actions that we just heard from Johannes in the different lifecycle stages on our key financials. Starting on the left with revenue, we have increased the revenue by 20% in the group to more than EUR 3 billion. This was mainly driven by the number of acquisitions. Obviously, the acquisitions that we executed in the second half of 2024 have not contributed to the comparable number that you see here in 2024, and also the acquisitions that we did already in the first half of the year. These acquisitions also contribute substantially to the EBITDA.

The EBITDA has reached almost EUR 600 million in the first half and was mainly driven by the bargain purchases that we were able to negotiate in the big acquisitions of Magirus, Buderus , SFC Climate, and a couple of other acquisitions. On the other hand, in the first half of 2025, we also have a major contribution from exits in the group, namely the Steyr divestment, partial divestment that we have done here and executed in the first half. You see here below that we say part of it comes from the acquisitions. This is the first step in our lifecycle that we just saw. The final step is harvesting, the divestment. This also contributes positively to the EBITDA in the first half. All that is in between is realignment and optimization, and that is the main driver for the adjusted EBITDA.

The adjusted EBITDA gives you a kind of an insight. I will show on the next page the adjusted EBITDA for the different segments. This gives you an insight where we stand in the progress in the acquisitions that we did, normally that we did months ago because the newly acquired entities like Magirus, like Buderus , they are coming to us because they have a need for restructuring, a need for transformation. That comes along with substantial losses, substantial negative EBITDAs, adjusted EBITDAs in that case. This brings me to the final figure, the holding figure. The holding key financial is for us the net result. We saw on the page, on the last page that Johannes presented, that we have inflows from our consulting that contribute to the net income. We have inflows from dividends and from exits, but all flows into the net result of the holding.

You see here that we were able to increase it to almost EUR 70 million in the first half of 2025, a substantial increase also compared to the first half in 2024. This was again mainly influenced by the partial divestment of Steyr. In this figure, we have not any contribution yet from the partial divestment of Locapharm or the IPO of Terranor. Coming to the different segments, you see that we are quite okay in the Automotive & Mobility, even though it's still quite challenging due to the postponement of the start of new production lines or the shortfall in the call-offs from customers. Nevertheless, the segment was progressing well. The acquisition, namely here, Matikon and SFC Climate, were actually doing already well in the first half. Engineering & Technology, a segment that you see here, is substantially negative, even though we always speak quite positive about the segment.

We still do it because the setback that you see here, the substantial negative adjusted EBITDA, is mainly driven by Magirus and Buderus that are by nature big acquisitions that contribute substantially negative in the beginning. That's a business model. On the other hand, we have companies that are operating already quite well and along the budget or even outperform the budget. We just mentioned two here, FSEC, who is producing energy infrastructure components, and Donges that is profiting quite well here in Germany from the governmental focus on the refurbishment of bridges in Germany. We have goods and services, also a segment that is actually in the past always positive. Today, we have here a slightly negative adjusted EBITDA in the first half. This is mainly driven by the planned setback in Steyr.

We acquired the company and knew that we will lose one of the major customers and have to replace it over time by new customers. That is planned here, that we have a reduction in revenue and therefore a bit higher negative adjusted EBITDA. On the other end, we have a positive momentum at Terranor and Conexus that actually perform quite well. Retail and food as the last segment, mainly influenced still by Lapeyre in France, where we see that we are still substantially negative and the market headwind is still out there. The team is focusing quite a lot on internal improvements, but also on increasing sales and convincing customers that we are the best place to buy. Coming today already on the last slide. We all the time speak about the lifecycle because it provides some more transparency.

You see it here again that we have a quite diversified distribution of our portfolio companies along the three different lifecycle stages. Once they are in our portfolio, realignment, optimization, and harvesting. When you see on the right, realignment substantially negative in adjusted EBITDA, a big jump forward in revenue that is due to the major acquisitions done here in this segment. On the other end, in the harvesting stage, you see that also here we have now a lot of different portfolio entities and they are obviously in adjusted EBITDA positively. In the middle, we have here the big automotive companies, Ferr Al United, Amaneos , and also HILO that are in the Automotive & Mobility segment and form pretty much half of it. We have Lapeyre in here. Therefore, it's for the first half negative. On the other hand, some of them were positively.

It's overall actually something that should be closer to zero. We work on this and look forward to a change here in the second half of 2025. With that, I hand over back to Johannes.

Johannes Laumann
Chief Investment Officer, Mutares

Thank you, Mark. I'm happy to give you a little bit more insight on a portfolio update. We are working in the four segments. Mark has just reported the H1 figure. As most of you know, there was a segment which we introduced roughly two years ago. The segment was called retail and food, where we have made acquisitions such as Gläserne Molkerei in Dechow , which are still here on our asset side. Going forward, going with the market, we have realized that other industries become much more sexy for us, much more interesting for us, and there's much more out there in the market. On the other side, we have experienced that the retail segment is very difficult to contribute our expected return on investments, which is 7x- 10x what we have given.

Therefore, we have decided to slow down the pace on the retail and food, be extremely selective going into this, and also step by step, if the time is right, divest the assets which we have in this segment. On the other side, we see that there is much more out there. The new segmentation, starting from today, is Automotive & Mobility. We remain that with the two large groups in there. I'll go into details and show you what is in there in a few seconds. Engineering & Technology is the second one, as Mark has said, very nicely contributing. We want to introduce a new one, which is called Infrastructure & Special Industries. Here we focus on logistics, here we focus on defense, and here we will focus on chemical.

I can tell you out there in the market at the moment, there is so much to buy in this, and there are so much assets we are looking at at the moment that this is something for the next months and years, which will create and make diamonds for us. That's why we go in this new segmentation, and we will focus away from retail and food, more into infrastructure, more into logistics, more into chemical, and more into defense. Going quickly through the details so you have a view. Auto and mobility, we have the two groups, Ferr Al United, where we summarize everything which is not plastic, basically, the Amaneos Group, and we have the SFC Solutions Group, a group which Mark mentioned already contributed positively to H1, a group which is expected to be beyond EUR 30 million of operating profit for 2025.

Last but not least, we have Peugeot Motorcycles in there, as you also see where we are here on the realignment phase. Very difficult market lately, also seen with the insolvency procedures for KTM, which is one of the market-leading brands in the segment. Peugeot Motorcycles at the moment, rather a bit difficult and on the lower end of the performance and on the upper end of the performance. When we look at Engineering & Technology, I would like that we focus on the top three, right, top three left ones: Qascom, NEM, and KLIM. Those companies are in a very early stage when it comes to the holding period, but already in harvesting. I call that the Trump effect. Those are companies looking on the energy side. Those are companies in the oil and gas world.

Those are companies producing equipment for coal, all traditional energy, and they are going through the roof. Order books are full. We're currently shuffling around. We have to postpone order intake because we just can't handle it. There's too much. Those are, in our business model, short-term exit candidates. When we look at the new segment, Infrastructure & Special Industries, we just have acquired there a lot on the logistics side. We acquired Intime. Recently, we closed the deal. Buderus is new. Magirus is new. We acquired Fuentes in Spain. On the logistics side, on the defense side, on the mission-critical component side, this is where we want to focus. Terranor, we have successful IPOs. Terranor will benefit in the future a lot from Sweden becoming part of NATO because the roads are not up to the requirements of NATO.

There needs to be lots of investment going into road maintenance and roadwork where Terranor will be one of the beneficiaries. Magirus, you will see in a lot. Buderus has acquired a quite good portion of defense products, which go into the typical customer base you would expect defense metal products going into. Fatmir, the CEO of Magirus, will speak about that company in a minute. Last but not least, the goods and service portfolio. You see there something which is maybe also not expected. Go Collective on the very top in the harvesting, not having for long in a holding period. We bought this from Arriva before Arriva was exited, ultimately from Deutsche Bahn. It's a super fast turnaround. We divested the Serbian business. We restructured the Polish business, and we basically put to life again the Danish business.

I think I confess this was one of the best or the best turnaround I have witnessed in my Mutares history of the past almost 10 years. This is one of the, I call it sexy portfolios, what we have, where we will have a lot of fun and where definitely a diamond is created, and we hopefully find the right buyer to pay for this diamond. This will be the segmentation going forward. This will be the segmentation how we report. This will be, but also the segmentation how we buy, how we put the focus on the buy side, and how we put the focus on the sell side. Now I would go and like to introduce you to Magirus more in detail, which we bought at the beginning of the year as garbage, and we are on the way to make it a fantastic diamond.

Warm welcome to the CEO, Fatmir Veselai, who will introduce Magirus. Water on, my friend.

Fatmir Veselai
CEO, Magirus

Thank you, Johannes. Thank you, Mark. A short intro also to myself. I'm Fatmir. I'm with Magirus for a bit more than seven months. I've been part of the Mutares Group now for a bit more than six years, and I'm very delighted to give you a bit more insights about Magirus. We have bought the business from Iveco Group, and we have started the journey beginning of January. Since then, we achieved to reduce the cash rate or the cash burn rate by more than 70%, and we are very happy that we are ahead of our transformation journey.

We have been quite successful in implementing crucial initiatives in terms of the improvement, and especially looking into the market, we are very happy that we will be able to grow our order intake, grow our order book, and also be able to contribute significantly to the need currently out there in the markets. Personally, I'm very delighted to lead this company because we are serving not only the society, but we are contributing significantly to helping our people, helping also our societies and countries. To give you a bit more details about what Magirus is about and what we offer, we have prepared a short video, and I'm very happy to show that to you now.

For over 160 years, our name has stood for innovation in firefighting. As the world's leading provider of turntable ladders, we build equipment that helps first responders save lives.

Our passion is to build the best firefighting vehicles, ladders, and special units in the world. Many of us are firefighters ourselves. We understand what crews need and design vehicles for the toughest missions. Our offering spans intelligent turntable ladders, modern tank pumpers, tactical robots, digital fleet management systems, and pumps, as well as versatile equipment and accessories. We are pursuing an ambitious plan to strengthen our presence worldwide, innovate our products, and open more customer service centers. We are also investing in a civil protection division to develop specialized vehicles for disaster relief and focusing on reliability and customer experience. These steps show how we honor our heritage while preparing for a sustainable and successful future. Together with our shareholder Mutares, we are shaping the future of firefighting technology. For us, Magirus is much more than just a brand.

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Johannes Laumann
Chief Investment Officer, Mutares

Thank you, Fatmir. I'm very proud that we own this iconic brand in the firefighting business. I'm very curious and grateful that we can make this a very large diamond. Thanks so much for the contribution here, Fatmir. There's still a way to go. This is a company we would like to present to you. We will continue presenting details of individual portfolio companies now in every earnings call. Having the outlook for the second half of the year to finalize and conclude this call, Magirus, as you just saw, is mission-critical for our safety and for our security of our lives. Also for Mutares, mission-critical are what we describe as the four points: transaction activity. In the second half of 2025, we will conclude and achieve the cross proceeds of more than EUR 200 million as a main focus on the transaction side.

The guidance of EUR 130 million-EUR 160 million net holding profit is there. I'm very certain that this will be achieved. Group values, group revenues, EUR 6.5 billion-EUR 7.5 billion. We're on the way, further internationalization. We're going to have the office up and running in Japan, next step for us. Last but not least, in the different segments, automotive, as described, we are cherry picking. We are creating the two groups, and SFC already performs well. Engineering technology, we use the Trump effect. We use the effect of the old traditional energy where we have companies providing world-class equipment to them and are sooner or later, and rather sooner than later, exit candidates. Our new segment, Infrastructure & Special Industries, we just surf on the wave. We just surf on the wave of companies out there we can acquire who are distressed, who are carve-outs globally.

We want to surf on this wave, and we want to be the best surfer here. Last but not least, goods and service, this is what, for the good and the bad, I sometimes call the boring segment, but that delivers solid, plannable, and accurate results. With the outlook on the segments, with the outlook on the transaction activity, and with the outlook on our guidance for revenue and for holding profit, I would like to conclude this call. I hope you like the new format. I hope you like the insights we have given you. Thanks for joining. We are looking forward to a very much business-focused H2. I'm sure that we will achieve what we have promised.

We will achieve and deliver what we have promised with the support of the best team in the world, where Robin, Mark, Lennart, and myself are very proud to lead this team. Thank you very much for today. Have a great summer. Enjoy your vacation. Water out. Thank you so much.

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