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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

May 14, 2024

Operator

I'm Vicky of Chorus Call, operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and 1 on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star, then 0. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Miss Anja Siehler, head of investor relations. Please go ahead, madam.

Anja Siehler
Senior Manager of Investor Relations, Nordex SE

Thanks, Vicky, and also a very warm welcome from our side. Thank you for joining the Q1 2024 Nordex conference call. My name is Anja, and I joined Nordex beginning of May as head of investor relations, as some of you may already know. I do look forward to connecting with you over the next weeks. With me in the room are our CEO, José Luis Blanco, our CFO, Ilya Hartmann, and our CSO, Patxi Landa, who will lead you through the presentation. Afterwards, we will open the floor for your questions. As always, we ask you to take notice of our safe harbor statements. Now I would like to hand over to our CEO, José Luis. Please go ahead.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Thank you very much for the introduction, Anja. I would like to welcome you as well on behalf of the entire board. As always, I would like to start with our executive summary for the respective quarter. We had a strong start of the year with a very strong order intake of around 2 GW compared to around 1 GW we booked year before. This came with stable ASP and within our expected margin requirements.

We also made some early progress in the U.S. We booked our first order, 148 MW, not in the first quarter but in April, after a long period of time, and this is a good signal. We hope to keep building on this and keep growing our U.S. order pipeline, this year. In terms of our financial performance, we again had a better start to the year compared to last year.

Our sales increased by around 30% to EUR 1.6 billion based on a better project and product mix. Our gross margins remain steady at around 20%, 19%-20%. As a result, our EBITDA margin came in at 3.3% compared to -9.4% last year. This very significant improvement in performance comes mainly on the back of a better project mix, better execution, and as well some cost elements on some projects improving better than expected.

Also, keep in mind that the first quarter of last year included some heavy costs on account of inflation, supply chain disruptions, and so on. But, as we have seen last year, these effects are shocks, have slowly receded, and we see now a more stable environment this year. As a result, we now expect a much more stable margin profile this year within our guidance range.

In terms of installations, we completed 1.1 GW in the quarter compared to 1.3 GW last year. This is slightly behind our internal planning, but we are confident on catching up during the year along with the delayed backlog of last year. On the liquidity side, we ended the quarter with a liquidity level of EUR 741 million.

This is mainly driven by seasonality of working capital. We expect the working capital ratio to normalize later during the year. Finally, we maintain our guidance and our mid-term outlook of 8% EBITDA margin, and our results in Q1 show, first, how our margin profile could improve as better quality orders start to flow through our financials in a stable and more normal environment. Second, also provide an early proof that we are making good progress towards profitable growth and achieving our mid-term target.

Moving on to the next page, let me provide a quick update on markets and market share, although Patxi will elaborate further. As you have seen during our last call, we have become number 3 globally ex-China with a market share of 17% in terms of order intake. Since then, the full-year installation data has also become available. Hence, to complete the picture, we thought that this would be useful to you to provide an update on that as well.

As you can see, we have significantly improved our market share last year as our installations recovered substantially. We are still the fourth largest turbine player globally ex-China, but now with a very little gap with the second and the third player in the market.

This is just another example to show that we have successfully scaled up to a 7-gigawatt company and will target to scale up further beyond 8 gigawatts in the coming years. Now I would like to hand over to Patxi for discussing markets and order intake.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

Thank you, José Luis. As mentioned, our order intake momentum continues to be strong. We doubled our orders with 2.1 gigawatts of new turbine orders compared to 1 gigawatt in Q1 2023. The majority of those orders came from Europe with 67%, with the largest markets being Germany, Lithuania, and Türkiye. South Africa accounted for 30% of the order intake, and the remaining 3% came from Argentina.

The increase in the order intake was accompanied by stable prices. ASP was EUR 0.85 million per megawatt, which is slightly better than our 2023 ASP. Generally speaking, we continue to see prices remaining stable in our pipeline. Moving to the next slide, revenues in our service segment grew 9% to EUR 166 million with an EBIT margin of around 15%. As expected, service revenues keep growing in line with our installation cycle and high contract renewal rates.

As we had mentioned before, margins are temporarily affected by inflation effects, turbine, and regional mix. But we expect margins to recover in the future once the share of older turbine types and share of non-European service contracts go down in our order book. Average availability on the fleet was around 97%, with a total fleet of around 45 gigawatts on the service. Moving on to the next slide, turbine order backlog grew by 14% to EUR 7.3 billion at the end of the first quarter. Service order book grew 11% to EUR 3.8 billion, leading to a combined order backlog of EUR 11 billion at the end of the first quarter. Now I'd like to hand over back to Ilya.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex SE

Thanks, Patxi. So, good afternoon also from my side. As always, I will guide you through our latest financial figures, starting with my first slide, as usual, the income statement. So, in the first quarter, we delivered sales of around EUR 1.6 billion, which is a growth of around 29% compared to the previous year, which, among other things, is reflective of our improved order book, as mentioned earlier by José Luis.

Gross margins sequentially improved each quarter last year and further increased to 19.6% at the end of Q1 compared to 8.9% in Q1 2023. Performance is mainly driven by the fact that last year was negatively impacted by extra costs coming from delays and other project issues, and now we have also a higher proportion of profitable orders going through our financials, as indicated in our earlier call as well.

As a result, we achieved an absolute EBITDA of EUR 25 million in the first quarter compared to -EUR 150 million in Q1 2023. This corresponds to an EBITDA margin of 3.3% for Q1 this year compared to -9.4% in the same period of the previous year. That improvement was helped, again, by two topics: a pretty clean execution in the quarter and the lower portion of legacy projects delivered in Q1 compared to the quarters ahead of us.

As the volatility of the last few years finally starts to subside, we now expect a more stable margin profile in the coming quarters, so a slowly but surely increase of those. With this, I will move to the balance sheet. Overall structure remains in substance unchanged compared to the year-end of 2023. We closed the first quarter with a cash level of EUR 661 million.

In addition, we maintain that cash facility of around EUR 80 million, so an overall liquidity level of EUR 741 million for the end of Q1 compared to the year-end. Our liquidity levels have decreased, but essentially because of the working capital ratio, and we can see this in a bit more detail on the next slide, because working capital ratio stood at -7%, in absolute numbers minus EUR 479 million at the end of Q1.

This is a temporary effect caused by a typical dip of manufacturing levels between a higher Q4 and lower Q1 activities, so relatively usual for the season. And so we expect the working capital ratio to revert back later in the year, and of course, we maintain our guidance of below -9% for this KPI. With that, let's jump to the cash flow side.

As you can see on the screen, our cash flow from operating activities before net working capital reflects the better margin profile of our orders over the last quarters, and this hence a result of the improved operational performance. However, the aforementioned working capital development resulted in a cash flow from operating activities of around -EUR 200 million.

Cash flow from investing activities split at around -EUR 50 million, slightly higher compared to the previous year level, however in line with our planning. Nothing much to say about our cash flow from financing activities, which totaled around EUR 8 million for the quarter. Jumping to the next slide, the investment totaled to around EUR 34 million in the first quarter compared to 25 in Q1 2023. In this past quarter, we executed our investment program largely as internally planned.

We expect to see a catch-up in the CapEx run rate over the coming quarters to meet our CapEx guidance for the full year. And that brings me already to my final slide, the capital structure. So, yes, as a consequence, net cash levels decreased to around EUR 360 million compared to year-end. The development was anticipated and is mainly driven by the higher working capital, as explained on some of the previous slides. Equity ratios stood at nearly 19% and remains basically unchanged from year-end level. And with that, I'm giving it back to José Luis, who will guide us through more details of our operational performance in the first quarter.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Thank you, Ilya. So, let me provide you with a quick overview of our operational performance in the first quarter of 2024. As mentioned before, we completed the installations of 1.1 GW during the first quarter. Although this is 16% lower than last year, it's slightly behind our internal planning. We expect higher activity levels in the coming quarters as last year, which should take care of the spillover delays of this quarter and of the last year.

Summary, we erected 227 turbines in 13 countries, again with a majority in Europe. Production, we assembled 200 turbines, slightly more than last year. In terms of megawatts, that means around 9% growth year-over-year. And similarly, we produced 1,039 blades, a bit less than last year. Around 30% were produced in-house, which is slightly more than in the last year.

With this, we are approaching the end and going on to the guidance. After reporting Q1 financials, the key message here is that we can confirm and maintain our guidance for the full year 2024. In summary, we can say that Q1 results provide a great start of the year. Sales and margins are in line with our expectations, and in contrast to previous years, where there was a lot of volatility throughout the year, we now expect more stable results as external environment starts becoming normal again. Working capital was slightly below our guidance in Q1, driven, as mentioned, by seasonality of our sector, but it should revert back to normal later this year. Now, handing over back to Anja to open for Q&A.

Anja Siehler
Senior Manager of Investor Relations, Nordex SE

Yeah, thanks, gentlemen, for leading us through the presentation. Let's open the Q&A session. So, Vicky, please go ahead.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star, then two. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. Participants are kindly requested to use only handsets while asking questions. Thank you. The first question is from John Kim, Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

John Kim
Director and Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. Good afternoon, everybody. Just kicking off the talk a little bit on the backlog. I'd be interested to hear an updated view on how you see legacy backlog or low-margin backlog filtering through the numbers in the next call two years. Q1 was quite strong. Is it fair to assume that there's more impact on legacy?

Anja Siehler
Senior Manager of Investor Relations, Nordex SE

John, sorry to interrupt. We can't hear you completely. Can you please repeat your order backlog question and then maybe be closer to the telephone?

John Kim
Director and Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Sure. Is that any better?

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

Yes. Yes, I like that.

John Kim
Director and Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Sorry about that. Could we speak about the cadence on backlog delivery as it relates to legacy backlog? So, from memory, there's about 1.5 gigawatts to deliver through, call it, middle of 2025. Is that still the right way to think about it in the right quantum? And how does the loading work, front-end versus back-end loading? Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Okay. I think we don't have the granularity of how this backlog of, let's say, sub-average quality will flow through the P&L. But you are right. It's approximately EUR 1.5, and the assumption is that we will get rid of that during the year, not in the first half, but during this year. John, you're still with us?

John Kim
Director and Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Perfect. Thank you. Could we just talk about underlying price dynamics? Holding project scope to constant. Is the pricing dynamic or environment stable now? Are you still able to put price increases through? How should we think about that?

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

It is. Generally speaking, and across the markets, we don't see variations. We continue to see stable prices, not only in the orders that we close, but also in the orders that we see through the pipeline that we will be closing in the next quarters.

John Kim
Director and Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Great. Thanks so much.

Operator

The next question is from Ben Heelan, Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Benjamin Heelan
Managing Director, Bank of America

Yes. Thank you, guys. Good afternoon. The first question I had was around these comments in the presentation on the margin profile, small step-ups expected each quarter. So it sounds, based off the 3.3% EBITDA you did in Q1, you expect to be at the top end of the guidance for this year, from a margin perspective. So I'm wondering why you haven't raised the guide today to close that to the top end.

And then secondly, if you look at that guide, the second half of 2024 versus the second half of 2023, wouldn't imply that material amount of improvement in the margin profile? I'm just wondering, is there something specific that's driving that, or is that just a conservative take? How should we think about that margin step-up in the second half of the year versus the second half of last year? Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Thank you. No, thank you for the questions, Ben. I think we are not going to shy that the Q1 results, we are happy with those. With that being said, it's too early. I mean, majority of the activity is still to be processed in production, in installation, and so on. It's true that in Q1, we saw slightly more opportunities than increase.

We see stabilization, and our internal planning is slightly improving in the next quarters to come. Is this going to lead to ending into the top end of the guidance? It's possible, but we still see a lot of risks. So it's too early to form a different view on our guidance at this point, although we are positive. We are optimistic. That's very much what we can comment regarding that. Regarding the second question, I think our situation is more stable now.

We should not plan for the substantial step change we saw in the second half of the last year. Although we see improvements, obviously, with more activity and more stability, we should do small improvements quarter on quarter.

Benjamin Heelan
Managing Director, Bank of America

Okay. Great. Very clear. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Sebastian Growe, BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Sebastian Growe
Managing Director, BNP Paribas

Good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions. Just three overall. The first one would be around the U.S. reentry. So you sounded quite optimistic with regard to making a successful comeback in the U.S. market. And I would be interested in three points here. So the first one is where you stand in the question of demothballing the Iowa plant. The second question is, what is the launch date that you have on mind for a U.S.-specific turbine? And thirdly, where would you see target volumes over time in that market for yourself?

Anja Siehler
Senior Manager of Investor Relations, Nordex SE

So Sebastian, the last question was very silent.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Target volumes. I think I got it. Hi, Sebastian. I think when so regarding the US, as we shared with you in the previous call, we needed to do some homework in the product, which we are working around the clock to launch like our competitors, a high-capacity factor machine specifically for the US. We expect the plan was and still is, hopefully, before next quarterly call, we should be able to say something.

Otherwise, we'll be beginning of Q3. Second, I think we have reasonable products for non-high-capacity sites in the US that we are targeting now, customers, US and in Canada, and we expect to land certain orders. Regarding reopening, Iowa is not an if. It's a when. We are selecting the right time to be in line with the requirements of the demand. But reopening the Iowa plant is not the bottleneck.

We have created internal plans to be able to ramp up that factory and have available components that meet local requirements, training programs, and so on within the normal schedules that the customers are requesting to us. So that should not be the bottleneck. The last question regarding market share, we don't guide market share, but if in the past we were able to do from 10%-15%, this is as far as we can go.

I mean, we should not pretend, and that will be too optimistic, to have a market share like in Europe, 40%. That's not realistic. But why not the market share that we previously had in that market? In the past, we were able to deliver 15% market share, and at that time, we were a weaker company, smaller company than we are today.

We are a better brand, better leadership worldwide, and I don't see a reason why we should not have our small share in that market.

Sebastian Growe
Managing Director, BNP Paribas

That sounds reasonable. If we talk volumes, then so far, we have seen a strong tilt in order intake towards the EMEA region, both in 2023 and also in quarter one, 2024. Can you update us on your pipeline in EMEA? Do you see that stable at around 6-7 gigawatts per annum? What is your expectation, really, for the Latin American markets and Australia alike?

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

Hi, Sebastian. We see good momentum in Europe, so we continue to see that we will deliver volumes at the level, if not better, in that geography. With respect to North America and the US, you can expect 2024 being a reentry year. So don't rule out seeing more orders, but don't count on them as well. And I do see 2025 to be back structurally from an order intake perspective in the market.

So in combination, and I'm not guiding orders, but we started very strongly the year. We do see Q2 probably being at a lesser level, at a lower level, but then picking up again in second half. And we have very good visibility on the volumes that we may be doing for the field.

Sebastian Growe
Managing Director, BNP Paribas

Brings me to my last question. I think we had previously also on other calls discussions around where could you take the business if everything falls in place with the capacity around the cells, etc. If I take your words now for the outlook in Europe add to this, what could be then 1.5 gigs ± in North America? Let's see what comes out of Latin America. Let's see what comes out of Australia.

So then it would take me to a very high single digit, if not 10 gigawatts number, so per annum. And yeah, maybe you can comment on that one if there's any sort of error, simply, and that kind of framework. And the other question I still had is you labeled the point that 20% was the gross profit margin in the first quarter.

I do recall that you also said that in 2024, you would have at least some liquidated damages headwinds, not as material as in 2023, for sure, and that you would still sit on some legacy contract. So long story short, where is really a clean and underlying gross profit margin? It should be closer to 22%-23%, for my liking. So maybe you can also comment on this, and then I'll let you go.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Let's first take the volume part. Without guiding anything, nor for the year, nor in the strategic plan, you're reasoning we buy. I mean, if we maintain our market share in Europe and we grow with the market in Europe, and if we recover the market share that we used to have in the US, and if Latin America doesn't fall apart, and if we do business in South Africa as we are doing and leveraging on our Australian presence from deals in Australia that we are working on, yes, we will be heading into that direction, but it will take time because the orders that Patxi was mentioning in 2025 more than likely might be delivered in 2025, but more than likely in 2026. But long term, it's a possibility, yes, and we are preparing for that. Regarding the composition of the margin and the headwinds.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

I would say, I mean, together doing this, I think Q1, and you mentioned in your intro, was rather good executed, little hiccups, and less legacy projects than we can expect in other quarters. So the distribution of the legacy projects in 2024 is a bit more random. It's not necessarily at the beginning. So this one was rather on the lower end of portion of legacy projects. So I wouldn't extrapolate from that upwards but stand behind our statement, José Luis, that this steady but slow step-up in absolute margin is what we want to convey as a message.

Sebastian Growe
Managing Director, BNP Paribas

Okay. Very much appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Welcome.

Operator

The next question is from Ajay Patel, Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Ajay Patel
Executive Director, Goldman Sachs

Good afternoon, and thank you for the presentation. So I wanted to just take a step back and just think about the drivers. So we have the guidance for this year. We have the 8% target for the sort of more medium term. We know that the vast quantity of legacy projects expire or work through this year.

Can you just walk me through the building blocks to an 8% margin target? As in, is it that if you have very strong volumes this year, we could be on our way towards that in the nearer term, or is it really predicated on working through a last legacy project next year? I just want to understand the building blocks again to ensure that I know the picture.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Yeah, that's a very good question. And we confirm the building block that we presented. I think it was in the last call. We had a specific slide. Maybe in the future, we share again. So the building blocks was close to in the range of 1% will be profitability improvement by not having legacy orders.

So the legacy orders are flowing through the P&L this year, so we should not expect, so our internal planning is that we should not expect legacy orders in the P&L in the future. Then we mentioned in the previous questions and as well that we are planning to grow with the market in Europe, and we are planning to recover market share in the US. So there is a potential of extra volume for the company within the existing with the existing capabilities of the company to do business.

This high-volume potential could lift the profitability by better absorption and by better margin generation, roughly speaking, let's say, 1%-2%. Service margin, this is a more medium term. We talk about temporary impacts due to inflation, composition of certain less profitable projects that over time might improve the underlying margin of the whole company in a hard percentage point.

We discussed as well in previous calls that executing projects in Germany currently is deteriorating a little bit profitability by permits and by road transportation and so on. We expect this to be solved in the future, and this should improve the underlying profitability as well in the range of 1%. Those are the four bridges or building blocks to transition to that mid-term profitability target.

Legacy orders, more volume, normalized service margins, getting rid of the extra cost of executing projects in Germany driven by mainly logistics.

Ajay Patel
Executive Director, Goldman Sachs

Can I just add a little clarification there?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Yes, please.

Ajay Patel
Executive Director, Goldman Sachs

All of those volume pieces added together, is the kind of run rate that's consistent with an 8% margin target, 8.5-9 GW? Is that kind of the rate?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

I think without being so specific, yes. So we need that volume for that run rate to lift this profitability in that range. Yes.

Ajay Patel
Executive Director, Goldman Sachs

Perfect. Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

We think that is possible.

Ajay Patel
Executive Director, Goldman Sachs

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question from Sean McLoughlin, HSBC. Please go ahead.

Sean McLoughlin
Director and Head of EMEA Industrials Research, HSBC

Thank you. Good afternoon. Firstly, on cash flow, given that you're guiding us towards the top end of your range, shouldn't we expect the year to be closer to or above or certainly into kind of positive cash flow regime? And what are the risks and drives around free cash flow generation in the second half? Second question, just I think probing a little bit more into the 8 GW. You talked about scaling up to 8 GW. Is that included within your 2024 CapEx, i.e., you'll be at 8 GW of delivery capacity by or within 2024? Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Thank you. Second question is easy. Yes, it's within the CapEx guidances for the roundabout 8 GW. The first, maybe you take it, Ilya.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex SE

Yeah. And I think, again, to be able to caveat is that we're not guiding for those kind of things like free cash flow, but rather give you those building blocks. I think we've made three statements. First, I don't think we're indicating the upper end of the guidance yet. I think we're showing a trend, but José Luis made clear those risks, so that's there. And then second, as I said in the full-year call, if we're getting on those building blocks and each of those to the higher range, then somewhere slightly negative neutral free cash flow is absolutely possible. I think we continue to see the very same way as we did in the full-year call.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

With one quarter less of uncertainty. We are happy with the Q1 results. Let's put it that way.

Sean McLoughlin
Director and Head of EMEA Industrials Research, HSBC

Thank you.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

Thank you.

Operator

The next question from Constantin Hesse, Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Thank you very much for taking my questions as well. A couple of questions on my side. One of them is Patxi, over to you very quickly. Just on the order side, so as far as I understand, order momentum continues to be pretty good in Q2 as well. Can you maybe just comment a little bit on the momentum relative to Q1? Because obviously, you had a very strong Q1, so just curious to see what you see there.

Number two is, have you by any chance ever looked or done probably have, but done an analysis on this potential 8% medium term, maybe dollar margin guidance, including the future subsidies that you will probably be benefiting from in the US? I think in the US, we're talking about $0.05 per watt on nacelles and $0.02 per watt on blades.

I mean, that is obviously a pretty significant figure given where your EBITDA is today, assuming that you're able to deliver volumes closer to 1 GW or at least 0.5 GW even would have a substantial impact. So anything that you can comment on here would be greatly appreciated. Just to understand, Iowa is a nacelle plant, right? And the blades, you would import from Mexico?

Operator

So, Constantin, I think the questions on the order intake and the questions on the US we understood, but unfortunately, your line was really low or interrupted. So, your second questions would be great if you repeated it.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Apologies. Can you hear me now?

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

It's just more interference. It's not the volume so much. We'll try. Come again, Constantin. We'll try.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Okay. I'll go really slow. It's about the U.S. IRA subsidies, the $0.05 per watt nacelle and the $0.02 on blades. If you have looked at this and done an analysis on the potential margin impact that this could have for you once you ramp up production in the U.S.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Yep. Okay. So this is, yes, we have done. We concluded that for us, the best approach is local nacelles from Iowa and imported blades from other locations and local towers, either more than likely steel, but we are analyzing as well in-house concrete towers to deliver the IRR requirements. I think this is the best margin this is the best margin profile for our business there. We don't have blade operating facilities like some of our competitors. So for us, a new investment in a U.S. blade factory, we don't see the we don't see the good investment. Let's put it that way.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

Let me clarify. With this, we get 100% of the value under the IRA. I mean, it's first stages, but also in the last requirements, which I think is around 55%. So with that setup, we will also benefit from even the last stage of requirements from the IRA. We've done that analysis.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

So that basically also means that your future margin is probably going to lie way above the 8% just driven by this subsidy alone?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

No, I think that's included into the we expect with this configuration of supply chain to sell to the American customers at average profitability. So if we expect to sell at average profitability all included, what the US is going to bring is potentially and eventually this extra volume exceeding the 8 GW to lift the profitability as the building block we mentioned before. But our assumption today in the budget and in the business plan is that US should bring volume at average profitability of the group.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Okay. I'm just curious because you first introduced the 8% margin, José Luis, before the IRA was announced. So I would have assumed that.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Yeah, yeah. But the IRA, we need it for the volume because to get to the 8%, we need volume. And where is the volume going to come from before? Was more volume expected from Latin America. Now, the Latin America is slowing down. The planning was always more volume coming from Europe, which we are delivering while protecting prices and margins. And the compensation from the decline in North America, plus the additional volume to the 8 GW, needs to come from North America.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Okay. That will clearly be a very profitable volume given these future subsidies.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

We expect so. We expect that will be as profitable as the European volume.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Okay. Even including those subsidies.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Even including those subsidies. I mean, of course, this is a supply and demand. In the U.S., we are not market leaders. As a consequence, we are not price makers. We are price takers. So the two other players will decide the price and the margin of the sector. In Europe, we have more responsibility as we are market leaders on prices and margins. But I hope that the U.S. follows the pricing strategy that Europe has followed.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Okay. Great. Then just quickly on the order intake momentum, Patxi, in Q2.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

Q2, we will see this is project business. Q2, you can expect a lower volume than we have in Q1, but for the rest of the year, picking up in the second half of the year. So I see good pipeline for the full year, but you can expect a relatively weaker Q2.

Constantin Hesse
Senior Vice President of Equity Research, Jefferies Group LLC

Thank you very much.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex SE

Thank you.

Operator

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José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex SE

Thank you. Thank you very much, Anja. Thank you very much for the questions and for the participation. Moving to the key takeaways, first, I would say the macro environment is stabilizing. We still see some inflation pressure, but not massive shocks like last year. At the same time, our order intake and pipeline continue to be healthy, and we expect to make more progress in the U.S. and North America this year.

Q1 results represent a clear set of results with minor external exceptional impacts, which provides a very solid start for the rest of this year. As a result of normalizing environment, we expect a more stable margin profile this year despite some temporary challenges in the form of geopolitical risk, installation delays, and higher project costs in Germany.

Last but not least, we see a clear path for achieving our mid-term target on the back of volume growth as discussed, margin improvement as discussed, and growing service business as discussed. Thank you very much for your participation in the call and wish you a nice afternoon. Goodbye.

Operator

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