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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Jun 21, 2022

Felix Zander
Head of Investor Relations, Nordex

Thank you very much for the introduction. A warm welcome from our side. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to welcome you on behalf of Nordex to our analyst and investor call today. Our CEO, José Luis Blanco, our CFO, Dr. Ilya Hartmann, and our CSO, Patxi Landa, will share the latest information and developments and financials with you. Afterwards, there will be a Q&A session. I would like to ask you to limit yourself up to three questions. Now I would like to hand over to our CEO, José Luis. Please go ahead, José Luis.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Thank you very much for the introduction, Felix. I would like to welcome you as well on behalf of the entire Board. As Felix mentioned, Patxi and Ilya are here with me today, guiding you through the presentation and answering your questions later. After having published our updated guidance on May the 24th, including all the background information, we will follow the usual agenda today. In the first slide, executive summary, as always, let me start as usual with the summary for the first quarter 2022. We booked revenues of EUR 933 million, which is 25% below last year. Last year, we had a more stable revenue run rate throughout the year.

As we mentioned to you before, we expect revenues to increase sequentially, quarter- by- quarter, due to our installation and production schedule. In addition, our installation were impacted by some weather-related delays in some parts of the world, including Germany. On the EBITDA level, we generated a loss of approximately EUR 89 million. This includes all the adverse impacts from a challenging market environment and one-off costs from reconfiguration of our production footprint. Without this one-off cost of around EUR 37 million, we show an operating EBITDA of - EUR 52 million or an operating EBITDA margin of - 5.6%. In this context, I would like to confirm our updated guidance for 2022 and our midterm strategic EBITDA margin of 8%. Our working capital was at - 11.3% and well below our target.

Ilya Hartmann will provide you with deeper insights later. With an order intake for the first quarter of 1.2 GW, we achieved the same level as last year, which is promising, especially in such a volatile environment. With a share of 91% of Delta4000 platform, has again shown its competitiveness and a strong track record. Furthermore, we entered the 6 MW class successfully and have already installed the first 6.X turbines. As a quick update on the cyber incident, we have been making good progress in solving this incident and on restoring all systems so that we are almost back to normal already. Now, I would like to hand over to Patxi for markets and order intake.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

Thank you very much, José Luis. As mentioned, we closed 1.2 GW of new turbine contracts in Q1, down 7% with respect to the same period last year. 89% of those orders came from Europe and 11% from Latin America. We received orders from 11 different countries, the largest markets being Finland, Germany, Croatia, and Peru. 91% of the orders came with the Delta 4000 turbine in its 4 MW, 5 MW, and 6 MW configurations. ASP increased to EUR 0.78 million per megawatt in Q1 2022, up from EUR 0.73 million per megawatt in the same period last year. Service sales amounted to 12.4% of group sales in Q1 with EUR 116 million and an EBIT margin of 17.2%.

The fleet under contract stands at 27 GW with an average availability of 97%. Turbine order backlog grew 24% to EUR 6.3 billion at the end of Q1 2022. Service order backlog grew 7% to EUR 3 billion for a combined order backlog of EUR 9.3 billion at the end of Q1 2022. With this, I hand over to Ilya to go through the financials.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

Thank you, Patxi. Also good afternoon from my side. As Patxi mentioned, I will now guide us through our Q1 financials, and I will start with the income statement. As mentioned by José Luis, we delivered sales of roughly [EUR 930 million] compared to EUR 1.2 billion in the previous year, same period. From a budgeting perspective, there was not a surprise, because the lower sales was mainly due to the lower installations as per the plan. Now, we did have some additional delays from weather-related incidents during Q1 in some parts of the world, for example, in Germany, and there was an additional delay installations coming from that.

We expect our revenues to increase in a step-up mode now each quarter as our installations gather pace. Our gross margins stood at around 13% at the end of the quarter, compared to 17% last year, same period. This was mainly due to impacts of the cost inflation and increased logistic costs in our cost of materials, and to a degree, to reclassification of some project management costs from OpEx to the cost of materials. We expect in line with what was said, our gross margins to improve again once new orders start flowing through the financials and the external environment stabilizes again. As we had mentioned on our last call, this year we're taking steps to reshape our production footprint, which would result in some immediate costs of up to EUR 75 million this year.

Those will be offset in the next two to three years by savings in our production costs. As a result, our underlying adjusted EBITDA before those one-off costs stood at around - EUR 50 million, while the EBITDA reflecting all the impacts just described stood at roughly - EUR 90 million for the quarter compared to the positive EUR 10 million Q1 in 2021. With that, I would move on to the balance sheet. The quarter ended with a healthy liquidity level. Cash level was at around EUR 680 million in comparison to the roughly EUR 780 million at the end of the year. To this, in both cases, we had the cash facility of roughly EUR 90 million, so the liquidity level end of Q1 would be of around EUR 770 million.

We now have a net cash position of EUR 350 million and an equity ratio of around 20.5%, 21%. Those levels compared to year-end are a consequence of the impact on profitability by the factors already explained earlier on the call. Now, on the corporate bond, this is now classified as current liabilities, which is the main reason for the increase in current liabilities in the balance sheet at the end of the quarter. With that, I'll go to the working capital. Working capital ratio was at -11.3%, in absolute numbers, EUR 580 million, and that was a further improvement to the year-end level of -10.2%. The further positive development in the working capital was largely driven by reaching, as we can see, strong milestone payments compensating the increase in inventories.

Overall, the working capital ratio remains clearly below our guided number for the current year of below -7%, which we confirmed in our last call. Now, the cash flow slide, please. We see that this quarter, the cash flow from operating activities very much reflects the negative net results, but within that number, you have a positive compensating effect from the further tightening of the working capital, as just explained. Cash flow from investing activity was largely at the level of the previous year quarter and reflects the planned execution of our ongoing investment program. Cash flow from financing activities in that context was rather unsubstantial, which brings me back to the investments and to the next slide. Again, total investments just shy of EUR 50 million compared to around EUR 40 million in the same quarter last year.

As I said, program and CapEx investment are being executed as planned, so we still, as we did last call, maintain the full year guidance of EUR 180 million in CapEx, but of course, under constant review given the environment. The target of the investments, basically the same as compared to the previous quarter or the previous quarters. Again, the blade production facilities in India and tooling equipment for our higher installation level again this year. That brings me to my last slide, which is the capital structure. For this quarter, calculation of the leverage ratio is not really applicable as we're talking about net cash level and a negative EBITDA, so not a very sensible calculation. Equity ratio we discussed before, coming down to 20.5%.

The reason is of course again the impact from the negative results. Now before going back to José Luis, as usual, maybe three key messages from my side. The first quarter developed more or less as we expected. The first half of the year would be weaker altogether, compared to the second half, mainly due to the revenue step up and due to some price adjustments that will start reflecting in the results. Margins, one more time, have been impacted by multiple external headwinds like for everyone else. Also in this quarter, we've seen some one-off costs in this year that should not come back next year. Second, focus is on cash flow management with a strong working capital management and adequate risk management is one of our key priorities, obviously.

Another key priority, and that's my last of the three key takeaways, is strengthening the balance sheet is a top priority for us. As mentioned on our last call also, we continue to review all available funding options to refinance our bond, which is due in beginning of 2023, and increase liquidity in the best interest of all our stakeholders. Needless to say that implementation of any such capital measure depends on the market environment as well as other developments. With that, I will go back to you, José Luis. Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Thank you. Thank you very much, Ilya. A few words on the operational performance of the company in the first quarter. As I said in the beginning, our installations are down, partially as planned because of the change in our production of blades, and partially due to the unfortunate weather conditions, especially in Europe. In total, we have erected 197 turbines in 12 countries, around 870 MWs, with the majority of 82% in Europe, 10% in North America, and 10% in Latin America. In our nacelle production, we assembled 304 turbines, exactly the same number as last year, but overall with a 15% higher name plate capacity of extra of 1.5 GW.

Due to a change of molds to produce new blades in our blade production in Spain, we have produced 270 blades in-house, compared to 380 last year. In addition, we have ordered 702 blades from third parties, compared to 570 in Q1 2021. So that we are, in summary, on the same level as last year. If we move to the next slide about guidance for the year. We summarize here our guidance for 2022, and I would like to confirm our recently updated guidance. In 2022, we expect to reach group sales of EUR 5.4 billion-EUR 5.7 billion on an EBITA margin of -4% to 0%.

Let me also stress here that all impacts are now included into this guidance, such as the ongoing reconfiguration of production footprint, the cyber incident, direct impacts from the war in the Ukraine, supply chain disruptions due to indirect impacts from Ukraine war, and due to COVID-related lockdowns in China. Also important to note that costs from our internal footprint reconfiguration measures, cyber incident, and direct impact from Ukraine are exceptional in nature and should not repeat in 2023 as Ilya mentioned. Adjusting for these effects, our underlying EBITA margin could be close to 0% in 2022. Furthermore, there is no change to our working capital and CapEx guidance. Moving to next slide. What we wanted to provide our view on the latest order discussion in the current market environment. Let me make two points.

We have seen electricity prices increasing significantly over the last year, as shown in the picture on the left-hand side of this chart. This is a result of higher gas, oil, and coal prices. We believe that a relatively small double-digit increase in the wind energy prices could very easily be absorbed in the current market environment. Second, we have been constantly updating our cost structure and increasing our turbine prices. We did that last year, and we are already doing this successfully right now. The new pricing ensures that we can revert to our normal margin trajectory, considering the latest cost increases in the medium term. We are also happy to report that we continue to see good order intake momentum despite the price increases.

In parallel, we are also making progress to adapt our contracts to mitigate the risk of cost increases better in the future, as we have mentioned earlier. With that, let me move to the next slide, which is the last slide before the Q&A. Currently, as mentioned, we are facing macro headwinds, which are impacting our margins in 2022. However, we see a couple of positive underlying trends that we want to highlight. First, the order intake momentum continues to be strong. Second, so far, we have been able to increase prices and pass on the increases to the new orders. In the midterm, I think everyone will agree that wind will play a massive role to achieve net zero targets and is one of the cheapest sources of energy.

If market stays stable and the industry maintains pricing discipline, we believe to achieve the midterm profitability target. With that, handing over back to Felix for opening the Q&A session.

Felix Zander
Head of Investor Relations, Nordex

Thank you very much, José Luis, gentlemen, for the presentation. Now, as said, I would like to open the Q&A and I would like to ask our operator to start this. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin our question- and- answer session. If you have a question for our speakers, please dial zero and one on your telephone keypad now to enter the queue. Once the name has been announced, you can ask a question. If you find your question is answered before it's your turn to speak, you can dial zero and two to cancel your question. If you're using speaker equipment today, please lift the handset before making your selection. Please note that questions are limited to three each person. Thank you. One moment for the first question, please. We have a first question. It's from Vivek Midha of Citi. The line is now open for you.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Thanks very much, everyone. Good afternoon. I had two questions, please. I'll go one at a time. The first is, it's just a question on timing on clarity on the balance sheet. So earlier you mentioned exploring the various options around the bond maturity. I appreciate the difficulty announcing in advance, but by when do you expect to have sort of be able to announce to the market a firm picture of which options you'll be taking to deal with the issue? Thank you.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

Okay, thanks for the question, I guess a pretty obvious one. As you also said, because I had another public call, we did two things that have to be crystal clear. The options to be evaluated are all the ones we mentioned last time between the ones we now got the authorization for, equity linked, AGM approved them. Also, as last time, we spoke about, still looking into the marketplace of doing a refinance of the bond with an equal instrument. When it comes to timing, these things are difficult to predict. I can assure you that myself and the team are working intensely on those.

I guess now this call being a bit late between you and the next call when we see each other again in August, we should have at least a clearer picture for everyone, which rather than a time.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

That's helpful. Thank you very much. The second question was just on the quarterly EBITDA number, and just going between that and the full year guidance. Could you just help us with disentangling the different effects in Q1 and then linking that to the effects discussed in the last call? You know, this quarter there's the effect from the supply chain, there's a negative volume effect from lower installation activity, there's a positive one-off from Poland wind farm sale. Can you just give us a recap of which effects are being seen in Q1, which are likely to see in Q2, and how we go from there to the midpoint of the range? Thank you very much.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

I think I start with that one. E ffectively you said, now, if you compare the quarter, ex one-offs from the footprint reconfiguration, you're coming to a - EUR 50 million, as you said. Though not guiding quarterly, I would say to lead everyone, I would say Q2 is also going, as I said, a weaker quarter, maybe order of magnitude, maybe a bit more. Then in the second half of the year, things, according to what we see, should turn.

As you said, we said if one believes this to be still a bit of a more conservative range than usual, then I think what you can say without saying it's right on the midpoint, but basically if you take those two quarters together with some residual one-off on reconfiguration but really minor, then the next two quarters, three and four, Q3 and four, you should see really a positive basically following the step up in revenues and the better margins.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Thank you very much. Thanks.

Operator

The next question is by Ajay Patel of Goldman Sachs. The line is now open for you.

Ajay Patel
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah, good afternoon, and thank you for the presentation. I only have one question because part of my question was already answered in the previous. It's just on the guidance. Is there any assumptions for liquidated damages in these numbers?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Yes. We have certain provisions in the forecast. Of course, this year is slightly more challenging because we were operating under, let's say, exceptional force majeure claim situation from customers, from suppliers, due to lockdowns in China, due to the war in Ukraine and due to the cyber incident. Those as is are under discussions. You know, we are guiding to the best of our knowledge and with the best view of where we can land those discussions with our customers.

Ajay Patel
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

The second question I had is on, I think it's slide 16. You highlighted effectively greater risk sharing in the contracts that you set out. Is there any indication of what percentage of the order backlog has these types of arrangements now in place, and what proportion does not?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

I would say this was a sequential, let's say, situation. We started as soon as we saw volatility. We try to reduce the scope and then you don't see today in the order backlog, and there is almost no EPC. Most of the backlog is clean selling. Part of the backlog, substantial part of the backlog is wind turbine only. We try as well to start implementing when possible, where possible, back-to-back contracts for certain logistic activities. We are starting to include inflation in PSAs in regions like Europe, which was not the norm before.

Inflation was very normal indexation in Brazil, in high inflationary countries. It was not the case in Europe. It was the case in Europe for MSA, for service agreement. It was not the case for PSA. We are starting to implement those as we speak. I cannot be more precise than that. The degree of new contractual provisions in the backlog is going to have a sequential effect. The later we landed the order intake, theoretically, the more we are covered for the future.

Ajay Patel
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much for the answer.

Operator

As a reminder, if you want to ask a question, please press zero and one. The next question is by Lucas Glemser of Jefferies. The line is now open for you.

Lucas Glemser
Associate in Equity Research, Jefferies

Hi, good afternoon. Just a few questions from my side. About the low installation rate, what was it exactly that held you back in Q1? Have you already seen signs of improvement in Q2? Yeah, can we start with that, please?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Mm-hmm. Yes. No, definitely. I think installation is going to increase speed in Q2 and especially in Q3, which, as planned, is going to be the record ever quarter in the company history. That's the plan.

Lucas Glemser
Associate in Equity Research, Jefferies

In terms of margins.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Mm-hmm.

Lucas Glemser
Associate in Equity Research, Jefferies

What sort of needs to happen?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Mm-hmm.

Lucas Glemser
Associate in Equity Research, Jefferies

For you to reach the upper and lower ends of your guidance by the end of the year? How do you think about that?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

I mean, at this, you know, we are mid-June. Order intake is booked. From the order intakes we don't see a risk. Very much if we execute as per the plans and there is no disruptions on availability of components, we produce as per the plan, we deliver as per the plan. There is no further cost increases, you know, driven by force majeure, basically, because the cost is very much covered by contracts. If we don't face a force majeure from our suppliers in the cost side, we deliver to the plan. That's very much going to be on more towards the upper side.

If there are deteriorations in the cost or deteriorations in the availability of components which will trigger deterioration in the POC, then we will go to the lower side. It's purely operationally driven.

Lucas Glemser
Associate in Equity Research, Jefferies

Okay, yeah. Thank you very much. That's very helpful.

Operator

The next question is by William Mackie of Kepler Cheuvreux. The line is now open for you.

William Mackie
Head of Capital Goods Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Hello, good afternoon. Thanks. Three questions. The first one relates to the order outlook for the rest of the year. With respect to your preliminary thinking, are you looking at a book-to-bill above one? Can you give some scale of what sort of positive pricing effect you might be able to expect, at least in the short run, alongside any contract gains you win into Q2 and Q3? That would be the first area, order intake, pricing and volume. Second, relates to revenue. I think you just said that you expect Q3 to be a record year in the company's history for installations.

If I look at the next nine months against the bottom end of your guidance, you're looking for growth in the next nine months compared to last year, Q2 through Q4. Can you just give us a flavor of where you think the installation rates will be in Q2? What's in the target for that? If Q3 is going to be a record, is Q2 up on last year?

Is it still some impact from the challenges of the ramp up and the transfer on the blade manufacturing? Lastly, on the profit pickup in the fourth quarter, sorry, in the second half, can you give us any sense of how that profit pickup, you know, is driven by mix, i.e., the full swing to Delta 4000, and how much might be driven by price? You know, the price increases you achieved were in the second half of last year. How much of the revenue in H2 2022 could we expect coming from the better pricing of H2 2021? That's the three areas.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Okay. Maybe Patxi takes the first one, and we take the others or together the others.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

I'll do that. Don't provide the intra-quarter guidance with respect to orders or full year guidance with respect to orders as always. What I can share with you is that we have a good visibility in the pipeline. We are seeing Q1 1.2 GW as we reported. We have good numbers as well as Q2 that we will report in August. The visibility also for the later quarters in the year is there, so that without being too precise on our book-to-bill ratio, what I can tell you and share with you is that we have good visibility on orders.

On top of this, with respect to pricing, we are also able to increase the price so as to pass through the existing costs with contribution margins that support the midterm EBITDA profitability that we shared before. A good visibility in orders and pricing that supports the midterm strategic profitability for the company.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Okay. Second question regarding activity in the second quarter. Yes, definitely it's going to be higher as of today, quarter- to- date is already higher than previous quarter, but not to the level that we are planning to do in Q3. Because you need to take into account the changing modes, the ramp up in India. The availability of components is going to be higher now, which will trigger higher installation pace in Q3 and project demand. Nonetheless, it was mentioned at the beginning, this was very much the plan for the year.

Of course, the cyberattack and the war in Ukraine brings volatility and delays and moves the activity towards Q3 and Q4. But that activity level was planned previously a quarter earlier.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

To the third question, Patxi has maybe some more exact numbers on top of his head. I would say, A, Delta 4000 more mix versus B price, it is clearly the latter. Of course, an ever-increasing mix of Delta 4000 helps, but it's already that high across the full year, so that this improvement would rather come from the pricing than from a different mix.

William Mackie
Head of Capital Goods Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you. Can I ask one follow-up on financing? Can you just provide an indication of the level of the use of outstanding bond financing and what the level of interest cost was within the quarter charged against net financial expense?

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

Mm-hmm. I think the total loans between the bond line and the corporate bond is to the tune of EUR 20+ million . Come again with the first part of the question, please.

William Mackie
Head of Capital Goods Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

How much of the interest charge relates to contract bonding?

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

Overall the interest, let's say, I'm not misleading you, but I think I give you a good idea, was 50/50. 50/50 point on project side and the rest on other interests.

William Mackie
Head of Capital Goods Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is by Rajesh Singla of Societe Generale. The line is now open for you.

Rajesh Singla
Director, Societe Generale

Hi. Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. This is regarding your balance sheet. How comfortable are you with the balance sheet currently you have? Are you still confident of winning projects in the U.S. after such a deterioration in your balance sheet strength due to the issues that we have faced so far and we might face in the coming months or quarter? Do you think that you might require further raising of capital in next six to 12 months?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

I think regarding the first question, one of the reasons we did the balance sheet reinforcement last year was precisely U.S. I think that proved to be a good decision. We landed orders there. Unfortunately, the balance sheet deteriorate with the execution. Short term, U.S. market is in a slowdown phase, but it's promising. Regarding what to do with the balance sheet, maybe better Ilya, but I think all options are on the table.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

Yes, I think that's basically what we said earlier in the call, and one of the aspects will be, and we mentioned last year that, you know, especially in a market like U.S. that plays, maybe even a different role, but that's also as part of addressing the issue, altogether. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Operator

As a reminder, if you want to ask a question, please press zero and one. The next question is by Sami Cheikha of Engadine Partners. The line is now open for you.

Sami Cheikha
Investment Professional, Engadine Partners

Yes. Hello. Thank you for taking my question. Three questions, actually. The first one is, when do you expect the new European contracts to start phasing into the P&L, to the point where your cost base is significantly de-risked? Second is your exposure on pass-through contracts with suppliers versus the pass-through contracts with clients. Are you exposed more to the suppliers on the short term versus the clients longer term? The third one is, vis-à-vis your guidance, which, in the previous call you mentioned was a bit conservative. Do you still regard it as conservative? Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Okay. The typical execution time for projects in Europe, 12-24 months, depending. It's a project by project, but say averaging in the middle, so 18 months. Regarding customers and suppliers, we always mention that it's impossible to hedge all cost functions. It's true that with the customers by nature, we are long, and with the suppliers by nature in several cost factors, we are short. There is an exposure there that if things stay at the current level, this is factored into the guidance and into the midterm strategic targets. If things deteriorate, it's going to put risk.

If things substantially improve, it's going to be an upside from the costing side, from the costing side of the company. From the revenue side, the contracts are the contracts. The only thing that can change in the future is if we keep selling at what margin and how stable is going to be the cost going forward. The last question was around-

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

If we still qualify the guidance, do you think that's conservative as it is on the guidance adjustment call?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

I think we haven't changed our view in the last month. I mean, we haven't changed our view about the guidance. We haven't changed about our view about the uncertainties and the uncertainty of the environment where we operate. I mean, you know, environment is volatile and there are many variables that we see every day. Oil price and electricity prices are somehow is good for the business long term, but is a massive cost pressure in the short term. I don't know if this has answered your question.

Sami Cheikha
Investment Professional, Engadine Partners

You still see it as conservative?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Yeah, we haven't changed our-

Sami Cheikha
Investment Professional, Engadine Partners

Okay.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

We haven't changed our view.

Sami Cheikha
Investment Professional, Engadine Partners

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is by Richard Alderman of BTIG. The line is now open for you.

Richard Alderman
Managing Director in Equities, BTIG

Good afternoon. Thanks for the presentation. I wonder if you could just tell me what your current cost of debt is and how you see that transitioning into 2023. Then one further follow-up question. I think you answered to Ajay's question about liquidated damages, that there are some discussions on outstanding claims. Can you give us some idea of what your worst case scenario is on how long it will take to resolve those and what the total quantum would come to?

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

I take the first one.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Yeah.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

I have cash and interest runway for the full year is give or take around EUR 80 million between the bond line, the corporate bond, the shareholder loan and some minor stuff. EUR 80 million.

Give or take.

Richard Alderman
Managing Director in Equities, BTIG

Mm-hmm.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Regarding the LDs, I think we haven't planned such a worst case because I think our case is strong. I mean, the lockdown and the war and the cyber targeted cyber incident, we think are strong cases to protect our late delivery of certain projects. Unfortunately, as we mentioned, we don't have cost increase relief, but we should have time relief, which is what we are planning. We haven't planned for a worst case.

Richard Alderman
Managing Director in Equities, BTIG

Thank you.

Felix Zander
Head of Investor Relations, Nordex

Okay. This is Felix speaking. All questions are answered so far. No other in our call. This finishes our session today. Before leaving, I would like to hand over to José Luis. Please, José Luis, provide us with your final remarks for today.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Thank you very much for your time, for the questions. As a last remark, a little bit summary of our call. You know, demand for Delta4000 remains strong, especially in the new variants. Margins, as discussed earlier, are severely affected by the Ukraine conflict and the recent macroeconomic events, like many other industries. However, as it was mentioned in the call, turbine prices are already improving in new orders, paving the way for margin recovery from 2023 onwards, as the 2021 order book runs out. We discussed as well that improving electricity prices is a short-term cost issue for us.

It's a mid-term opportunity coupled with potential demand growth, offers opportunity for cost increases and cost passthrough, and hence helping to reach mid-term strategic 8% EBITDA once macroeconomic environment has stabilized. Last, and to conclude, the guidance for 2022 includes impacts from macroeconomic headwinds and portfolio reconfiguration, confirmed. With this, again, thank you for your time and attention, and wish you a wonderful rest of the day.

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