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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 12, 2023

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Q1 Figures 2023 Conference Call of Nordex. Throughout today's recorded presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. The presentation will be followed by a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, you may do so by pressing star and one. Press the star key followed by zero for operator assistance. It is my pleasure, and I would now to turn the con- over to Felix Zander. Please go ahead, sir.

Felix Zander
Head of Investor Relations, Nordex

Thank you very much for the introduction. I would like to welcome you on behalf of Nordex to our analyst and investor call for the Q1, as you've heard. Our board members, our CEO, José Luis Blanco, our CFO, Dr. Ilya Hartmann, and our CSO, Patxi Landa, will guide you through our presentations, sharing information about the latest developments, business operations, financials, and markets. As you heard, we follow with a Q&A afterwards, and I'd like to ask you to limit yourself up to three questions. Now I'd like to hand over to our CEO, José Luis. Please go ahead, José Lis.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Thank you very much for the introduction, Felix. I would like as well to welcome you on behalf of the entire board. Patxi Landa, CSO, Ilya Hartmann, CFO, are in the call, guiding you with me through our presentation, and we'll take your questions later. As Felix mentioned, we have prepared the regular agenda for you today. Starting with the executive summary, let me start with the summary of the Q1 of 2023. We achieved an order intake for the Q1 of 1 gigawatt, being slightly below last year's level. Average selling price also increased from EUR 0.78 to EUR 0.9 million per megawatt. Order pipeline continues to be strong, although we see some temporary delays, in some cases, mainly outside of Europe.

Our revenues increased by more than 30% to EUR 1.2 billion compared to last year, EUR 933 million. This development was mainly driven by higher installations of 1.3 GW compared to 870 MW last year. As you can see, our installation run rate is almost back to normal levels. However, it is still lower than our expectations, and it does not cover the delays of the last year. This will be one of the key focus areas in the quarters ahead. During this quarter, unfortunately, the gross margin was further impacted by extra costs connected to delayed installations from last year as a consequence of the cyber incident and the consequence impact of the Ukrainian War.

This cost stem from usually more difficult installation schedules, mainly North Europe in winter times, and trying to catch up on top of the normal schedules, as well as further LD provisions for that. To make this clear, our installation run rate has improved substantially, but we still need to do more in the next few quarters. We expect an even more active Q2 and second half of the year for our installation schedules. Despite this cost, the gross margin increased to 8.9% after 2.6% in the Q4 of last year and should improve further in the next quarters ahead. On the margin front, we had a negative EBITDA of approximately EUR 115 million, a bit higher than in the Q1 of last year.

This includes some liquidated damages because of project delays from last year, as we had indicated in our last call. This has impacted our underlying gross margin by around 4%, and in addition, our margins also include impacts of lower margin projects and higher cost of execution in winter times. As a result, our EBITDA margin stood at -9.4% compared to -9.5% year ago for the same period. Overall, as expected, we have a soft start to the current year, and we expect to keep improving our margins as we go forward from here. Our working capital was at -10.6% and thus well below our target. Ilya will share additional information with you later.

Last quarter, our finance team was quite active, with, first, repayment of the high-yield bond in February, conversion of the shareholder loan into equity after having received the approval from the EGM in March 2023. Since this week, this conversion is completed, our number of shares increased to 236.5 million, with Acciona reaching 47%. Third, with the issuance of the convertible bond of EUR 333 million by the beginning of April to further strengthen the balance sheet in the current environment. Ilya will provide you additional information later. Finally, let me also confirm our guidance for 2023 and our midterm strategic EBITDA target of 8%.

Now I would like to hand over to Patxi to discuss markets and order intake.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

Thank you very much, José Luis. As you mentioned, we sold 1 gigawatt of new turbine contracts in Q1, compared to 1.2 gigawatts in the same period last year. All orders came from Europe, largest markets being Estonia, Germany and Lithuania. ASP grew to EUR 0.90 million per megawatt, up from EUR 0.78 million per megawatt in the same period last year. Service revenues were EUR 152 million in the quarter, representing 12% of group sales, a 31% growth with respect to Q1 last year. EBIT margin was 15% due to a temporary inflation effect, Average availability of the fleet was 97%, with 31.6 gigawatts on the service.

Turbine order backlog grew 3% to EUR 6.5 billion at the end of the quarter, and service order backlog grew 12% to EUR 3.4 billion for a combined order backlog of EUR 9.9 billion at the end of the quarter. With this, I give it back to Ilya.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

Thank you, Patxi. Good afternoon also from my side. Now before guiding you through the financials for the Q1, 2023, I'd like to give you, as José Luis announced, a brief update on the convertible bond we completed at the beginning of April. See a few details on the slide. We placed this green convertible bond of about EUR 330 million to strengthen our capital structure and to add a layer of safety to operations and financials. Even though we're coming from a solid cash positions over the last quarters, we still see risks in the overall environment, despite some recent stabilization. This convertible has been the first transaction in this category for Nordex, and it was good to see a new set of investors putting their trust into our company, and we are grateful for that support.

After this, let me go into the regular slide deck and move to the first slide, the income statement of the quarter. The quarter closed by and large as we had expected. When we were together for our annual calls a few weeks ago, we already mentioned that H1 and especially Q1 would be weak in terms of margins and EBITDA. We have some more details for you around what José Luis was explaining, because we delivered sales of EUR 1.2 billion compared to EUR 930 million in the previous year. This is around those 31% higher year-on-year. The key driver was the substantially high installation level in the Q1 when we compare it to the last year's same period.

As José Luis mentioned, despite that positive development, our installations have not yet reached the levels we need to make up for the past underperformance. Our gross margins put at around 9% at the end of Q1, compared to around 13% at the end of the previous year period. This is mainly due to the extra cost that we had to incur for catch-up in winter conditions in Northern Europe and some further LD recognition, as José Luis explained. The overall impact, again, of these costs was around 3.5%-4% in the quarter. Without those costs, our gross margins would have been on a similar level compared to last year's quarter. As a result, we recorded around -EUR 115 at EBITDA level with an EBITDA margin of -9.4%.

This is more or less in line with our reported EBITDA in Q1 2022. It was mentioned, we expect margins to increase sequentially each quarter with a stronger performance in the second half of the year. With this, let me move to the balance sheet. Briefly looking at the balance sheet, overall structure remains in substance unchanged compared to year-end 2022. We repaid the high-yield bonds by the shareholder loan end of January. The shareholder loan and terms have now been successfully converted into equity when the new shares were registered just this week. Obviously that improves further the balance sheet. We ended that Q1 with a cash level of around EUR 520 million. In addition, we had our cash facility to the tune of EUR 80 million, which brings altogether our liquidity levels end of Q1 to around EUR 600 million.

For sake of completeness, please note that the proceeds of EUR 330 million from the green convertible bond are not reflected in these Q1 figures. The transaction was only executed, as we said, in the beginning of the Q2. With that, I'm jumping to our working capital slide. Working capital ratio stood at -10.6, in absolute terms, EUR 636 million. That is a further improvement to the year-end level of -10.2, and also in absolute numbers. José Luis mentioned it, with that we're staying below our guided working capital number of below -9%. That brings me to the cash flow slide. As we can see, the cash flow from operating activities very much reflects the soft start in Q1. The negative operating results are compensated by a positive effect from working capital, partially.

Cash flow from investing activities stood at minus around EUR 40 million, slightly above the level of the previous year quarter, and reflects the execution of our investment program as per the plan. That brings me to the investment slide. Of course, there's a bit of a difference between depreciation and investment. We can see there that the total investments amounted to around EUR 25 million in the Q1. That is below our Q1 last year of south of EUR 50 million. All in all, we executed our investment program as planned, and we expect to see a catch-up in the CapEx run rate over the coming quarters to our guided number of around EUR 200 million. That already brings me to my last slide. I'm doing a bit of pro forma here.

The pro forma cash level after including the share loan conversion, but again, without including the convertible bond, stood at around EUR 450 million, and our pro forma equity ratio stood at around -23%. Those figures should improve slightly again, once we account for the convertible bonds in the next quarter. In summary, start of the year has been as expected and similar to the last year, and also when it comes to the seasonality of margins we expect. We see the second half to be stronger than the first half, of course, and accordingly, margins will gradually pick up through each quarter into the year. Second, balance sheet reinforcement by the repayment of the highest bond and the conversion of the share loan.

Then again, another reinforcement by the green convert and also, further strengthening of the financial position in an environment that still appears to remain at least uncertain for a while. With this, back to you, José Luis.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Thank you, Ilya. Let's jump to operational performance. Let me provide you a quick overview of the Q1. As I said at the beginning, our installation run rate has improved materially compared to last year. However, as was mentioned before, we would like this figure to be even higher to catch up with the delays of the last year. In total, we have erected 276 turbines in 18 countries with around 1.3 gigawatts, with the biggest share of 54% in Europe, 14% North America, 25% Latin America, 7% rest of the world. Our nacelle production, we assembled 217 units, demand-driven below last year level and reaching a capacity of 1.1 gigawatts.

Of course, we plan to substantially increase activity in nacelle assembly rest of the year as per the project execution demand. In our blade production, our output increased by 15% to 1.1 gigawatt, with 79% of the blades manufactured by external suppliers. Moving to the next slide, we have summarized the figures for the Q1, comparing them with the guidance for 2023. In summary, we can say we are on track, as I said at the beginning. Revenues are in line with expectations and working capital is within the guidance area. Our EBITDA margin is likely to pick up gradually every quarter. With this, I will hand over to Felix to open the Q&A.

Felix Zander
Head of Investor Relations, Nordex

Thank you very much for the presentation. Now I will give it to you, please, the floor is open for Q&A.

Operator

Our first question today is from Vivek Midha from Citi. Your question, please.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Thanks very much, everyone. Good afternoon. I have 2 questions, please. The first one, could you maybe give us an indication with these delayed projects of how much there is still left to do in Q2 and beyond, just to help us understand the risk of any further liquidated damages in the rest of the year? Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Okay. I think, I would say end of next quarter, we should be able to catch up. I mean, as mentioned before, and as we commented as well in the Q, in the Q4 call, last year, we were substantially delaying installation, not in production, due to the cyberattack. We put a lot of resources to work in winter. Unfortunately, we couldn't catch up on, you know, these traditional resources, the productivity is very low. This is gradually improving and substantially improving in spring. We plan substantial higher activity in this quarter, eventually catching up end of the quarter.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Understood. Thank you very much. The second question on your cash flow and working capital, I noticed there was a noticeable drop in contract assets, from projects, in the Q1. Could you maybe help us with the driver of that? Thank you.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

I think, José Luis, I'll take that one.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Mm-hmm.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

You're going back to the, to the, to the green bond, isn't it, Vivek?

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

That's correct. Thank you.

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

I to answer that question, then let's look up some details. I think what we're seeing is in the payments that advanced by the customers, we have a slight increase there. From the contract asset perspective, I think that is still something from the workout of that inventory that still has to be done and is related with those installations that José Luis mentioned.

I think, between those, that should be the drivers for it.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Sean McLoughlin from HSBC. Please go ahead, sir.

Sean McLoughlin
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Thank you. Good afternoon. two questions from me. Firstly, just understanding the change in margin as we go through. Clearly, your guidance does suggest that at some point you will be in positive territory. Could you maybe just give us confidence in that step change? Can you walk us through maybe the components of how you expect things to improve quarter on quarter?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Mm.

Sean McLoughlin
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

That's the first question. The second is around Germany. Just to understand really how you perceive the government's position. Do you expect any change, any support to be coming through? Yeah, just where we are in that process and how material it might be to your business. Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Thank you very much, Sean. Taking the first question, I mean, the drivers for the profitability improvement quarter-on-quarter is first, less extra costs and less LDs. Second, that the low profitability projects are going to be diminishing quarter-on-quarter. Third, we have more activity level in production, substantially more activity level in production in the second half for projects with better margins, and ramping up the production in Asia with better costs. Those are the key drivers of the profitability improvement. Project mix or better backlog, more activity, less extra costs, less LDs. The planning is taking, of course, is taking that into account.

Regarding Germany, is one of the markets that we were suffering last year because lack of parts, lack of chips, lack of cabinets due to the cyberattack and so on. We are recovering gradually. I would say that we are not yet perfect in execution, but we are planning to be there in the next quarter. Despite and regardless that, last year we were market leader in installation. The order intake in Germany is promising. Germany is slowly picking up volume. We expect the German market to give us more volume, both in installation and in order intake this year than previous year.

We expect more volume in order intake and installation as well, the subsequent year after. Optimistic, cautiously optimistic about Germany.

Sean McLoughlin
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Thank you. If I could just a quick follow-up on the order intake. I mean, you've guided previously that, you know, the latest orders are coming in line with your 8% margin target. Can you confirm that's the case? Is there potential for these to be even beyond that figure?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Is the case. Patxi, can you elaborate more, please?

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

Yes, I can. I can do that. Every quarter, the orders that we book, we have always repeated in previous calls that we focus very much in pricing discipline and in maximizing margins for the orders that we take. As a consequence of that policy, we see that every quarter the margins for the as sold projects are increasing and increasing the overall profitability of the backlog. That, at this point, continues to be the case.

Sean McLoughlin
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Sebastian Growe from BNPP. Please go ahead.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

Hi, everybody. Hope you can hear me well.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Yep.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

Sebastian here. It's 2 questions from my side. The first one would be on the U.S. If you could just share with us what you're seeing there, how much of a pickup you are seeing, at least in the kind of discussion and interest level, and how far really it might be out until you really see a pickup also in order activity for your business in particular. The other question is around the operational development. You mentioned a couple of times that the low margin orders are gradually phasing out. Can you just put a date behind it? What would be the quarter, the Q1 when you would see sort of just the new mix?

Could you also give us a sense how much of a delta on the gross profit margin level we are talking here from what you're currently taking and compared to what you're executing on these old low margin contracts? That would be very much appreciated. Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Yeah. I will take the second question and then Patxi, the first. According our planning, Q4, that's the quarter where almost all the low margin projects have been already processed. The delta, unfortunately, I cannot, we don't disclose quarterly forecasted profitability. You know, the trend is that Q2 is gonna be substantially better than Q1, but of course not to the levels of Q4. That is where We are start to see, pointing to the right midterm direction.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

with respect to.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Patxi? Yes.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

Yes. With respect to the U.S., a bit in contrast with what José Luis has just mentioned with respect to Germany, where we already see increase in volumes already now and this year, we see a different evolution. Yes, midterm IRA will have a significant impact in volumes. However, our view today is cautious, and, I would say that 2023 and even 2024, will continue to be, not reflecting, significant increases in volumes. We do see that after that, the market will pick up, but this is the current view, that we have today with the U.S.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

If I may just follow up on the statements you made, first, starting with you, Patxi. On the U.S., is this more function really of, I don't know, the higher interest rate environment, people are waiting for the IRS guidance? What is really holding people back?

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

Yes.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

When you are about the 2023, 2024 soft market as we speak, then this is really the execution part, I would assume. You would then expect 2024 to be then the first real year with an order push in the US. Is the right way to think of it?

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

Not necessarily. I would say the way we see it, given all the mix of reasons that you have mentioned and some others, we see really I don't wanna call it sluggish market, but it's true that the market is not very active at this point in time from an order perspective, hence installations 2024. Also, at least for the first part of 2024, from an order perspective, we expect it to be also relatively quiet. This means that from an installation/P&L perspective, either very late in 2024 or 2025, we would start to see the effects.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

I would say, if I may complement, it's a combination of not 100% clear legislation yet, and the development machine has been restarted. They still need to produce the pipeline of project development for those projects to go to the finish line, to be contracted and executed. I think it's a mix of both. Let's see the feeling we get in 2 weeks in AWEA in U.S., and let's see. Let's test the sentiment of the market more in direct there.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

Yeah. Okay. That's super helpful. Very much appreciated. The last one, sorry, to just follow up on what you said before, José Luis, on the EBITDA trajectory. From your wording, I would assume that you would then confirm what you said on a prior call, that the sort of target margin, you mentioned the midterm 8%, that is what you ultimately are striving for in the Q4. Is that the right understanding, yeah?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Well, I was not so precise. I said that that is pointing into that direction. I know we mentioned the prerequisites for that midterm profitability target, which is selling more or less around 7 gigawatts with the gross margins that we are currently selling. In an execution base stable, we have improved a lot, but it's not, you know, it's not fully stable. I mean, you see suppliers filing insolvency, you see some inflation in Europe. So the stability has improved, but it's not fully 100% stable. The third is that, you know, you don't screw up in execution. So that you don't need to pay a lease and delays and so on.

If those three prerequisites are met, yes, we will be delivering that profitability. Is that gonna be Q4? Don't know. We cannot be more specific there.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

Yeah.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

it's pointing into that direction, the evolution of the profitability, Q3, Q4.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

Yeah. Okay. No, that's super. The very last one around guiding to the extent you can and want to provide it. If you say Q2 is materially better, would you go as far as saying it could be a break even already, which would be even on a clean basis compared to Q1, a remarkable step up?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Let's put it that way, in that range. No? I mean, in a short distance to that.

Sebastian Growe
Senior Equity Analyst, BNPP

Okay. Okay. Okay. Very good. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Constantin Hesse from Jefferies. Your question please.

Constantin Hesse
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Can you hear me?

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Yep.

Patxi Landa
Chief Sales Officer, Nordex

Yes.

Constantin Hesse
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Great. Great. Thanks for the presentation. Just following up on Sebastian's question, I think it's pretty much clear that you still expect, I mean, it doesn't even have to be Q4, but 2024 probably talking about something close to 8% potentially here, given all those given all those terms that you put just now given around execution. That's my first one. You're just basically just trying to feel if you're really feeling comfortable around your medium-term margin potentially already being reached in 2024. Second question on provisions very quickly. Can you just remind us how conservative or not you are really when booking these provisions? What are they primarily related to?

Just thinking about the improvement that we're seeing in the operating environment and, you know, especially across the supply chain as well, could we see some releases potentially here? Thanks.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Let me try to elaborate on the first question. I mean, when I mentioned the first prerequisite is selling more or less 7 gigawatts at current, gross margin. We have sold 1. Still to make this 8% in 2024 that you mentioned, we should, we still need to sell a lot, which we don't know, we don't guide our order intake. You know, a lot of work still needs to be done in the order intake side. From that end, we feel very positive in Europe. I think we are competing well, and the demand in Europe is strong and is profitable.

We are not that positive temporarily in the U.S. for the reasons that Patchie mentioned. We are not that positive in Latin, which was an important geography for us as well, temporarily, because high capital costs, low electricity prices and substantial increase in ASP of the turbines makes the investment case temporarily more challenging in Latin. All in all, positive momentum in Europe. Positive outlook mid-term in the U.S. As well, I'm optimistic mid-term in Latin. The short-term situation in Latin is challenging. We need to see how the order intake goes in the year, eventually not compromising margins if the industry follows the price disciplines that I think I hope they follow.

That's going to be the key driver for your, for your comment or assumption. Regarding provisions, Ilya?

Ilya Hartmann
CFO, Nordex

Let me take that. You might jump in on that question. Valid question, Constantin, if we are conservative. I think probably the business environment over the past two, three years has taught a lot of us that the meaning of being conservative or too conservative has really changed against what we've been seeing. I would really say we're balanced. I think we're pushing the teams hard to give their best view. We're not trying to be overly cautious, but finding the right balance between the two. Could there be an improvement or release of those? Theoretically, yes. Some of those are subject to discussions with customers, and there's always ways you can find solutions with several aspects, new business, whatever. There is a possibility, but today that's really how we see it.

Constantin Hesse
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

That's perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star then one. Seems to be no further questions at this time, and I hand back to Felix Zander.

Felix Zander
Head of Investor Relations, Nordex

Thank you very much. Thank you, Amara, for your participation. Now I say goodbye to you. Before leaving the call, I'd like to hand over to José Luis. Please go ahead with your final remarks. Thank you.

José Luis Blanco
CEO, Nordex

Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Felix. Key takeaways, as usually, I would like to close the presentation with our view. The good news is that the macro environment is improving, further delivering a very promising outlook for our industry, although the planning and permitting process across Europe continues to be improving at a slow pace. We discuss about US IRA. Still needs to deliver volume and the temporary low demand in Latin. In addition, the industry is still exposed to some shorter headwinds, such as high inflation in Europe, increased interest rates, and continuing issues with the supply chain reliability, although situation substantially improve.

The order intake as well as our order pipeline continue to be healthy, very strong, in Europe and in Germany. The margins have also stabilized at the current level. However, we see some delays in order intake from the customer side on account of some macro challenges, mainly outside Europe. The start of this year was soft, as expected and indicated in the call on March 31st. We expect a sequential recovery of margins over the coming quarters and in a stronger second half of 2023. Our latest financial measures, the debt to equity swap and the convertible, will further strengthen our balance sheet and our liquidity, providing us with more flexibility and protecting us against short-term volatilities. We confirm our guidance for full year 2023 and our mid-term strategic target, which is subject to a stabilized macro environment.

In this case, we think supported by the strong and profitable expected demand in Germany and in Europe. Thank you very much. Wish you a wonderful rest of the day and a wonderful weekend. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now concluded, and you may disconnect your telephone. Thank you very much for joining, and have a pleasant day. Goodbye.

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