Stratec SE (ETR:SBS)
Germany flag Germany · Delayed Price · Currency is EUR
17.70
-0.08 (-0.45%)
May 8, 2026, 5:35 PM CET
← View all transcripts

Earnings Call: Q1 2024

Apr 26, 2024

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Good afternoon in Europe and good morning in the United States. Before I start, you will have probably heard that I'm a little hoarse today. However, I'm still hoping that I can get you through the presentation. As always, I think there is no need to walk you through the Safe Harbor Statement, and you can actually download that presentation from the webcast or from our website. We were intending to split this presentation into three major segments. First of all, I would like to get you an overview of what happened in Q1, in particular the drivers of the relevant KPIs and so on. Then certainly the financial review, walking you through the details of the figures, and then certainly trying to get you an outlook, particularly over what we expect to happen in Q2.

Certainly, we want to get across that 2024 is not as back-end loaded as last year. However, it will be back-end loaded, very much driven by the fact that we are expecting a solid return of our molecular business, which is margin-heavy, and therefore certainly the success of the full year would certainly be a derivative of the recovery of our molecular business in the second half of the year. And then certainly, I would like to get you the chance to come up with your questions. So trying to get you an overview, certainly, as everyone expected, and we were trying to manage expectations from the beginning of the year, certainly that we had and have a weak start of the year, which was very much driven by two main factors.

So as the entire industry, in particular our customers, were trying to avoid that their business goes over the cliff as it happened in 2023, and that's why everyone was starting super cautious into the year. So we saw nice business recovery in Q4 of 2023, but the beginning of 2024 was as expected, that everyone was trying to hold back and was trying to see how the order income of the relevant businesses downstream actually happens. And we clearly see that the order income in the course of Q1 was really good, and that's why we actually, in some of our manufacturing sites, we are really already struggling with capacities on the positive end, that we have really high utilization degrees in some of our manufacturing sites, particularly in Germany and Austria, with, like I said, degrees of utilization.

And then certainly, there was one milestone-related thing where actually I expected that we might conclude the milestone already in Q1, which now happened in the meantime in Q2. So we are through that. However, year-over-year sales was -15.7%. And again, development was mainly and generally consistent with our expectations. Positive things to report is that particularly structural improvements and the efficiency measures we actually established in the course of 2023 are showing effectiveness. And I'll dive into details. We have established what we call Efficiency Improvement Program Two, which is certainly not as big as last year, but allow me to mention that again. A lot of our goals we have established for a two-year term for 2023 and 2024 on the basis of the budget of 2023 and 2024 established at the very beginning in 2023 has proven to be efficient.

There was very little left over for 2023, which then was already covered by the 2024 budget. This is where we are. We will reestablish some of those things, but we have to see that particularly manufacturing utilization goes up. So this means that we'll probably cannot take advantage of those additional measures because we certainly have to make sure that the capacities are actually fitting the degree of utilization and the demands of our customers. So I think the positive signal here is that despite really significant negative scaling effects on those low degrees of utilization, the Adjusted EBIT margin with 6.2% is almost on the previous year's level, which is a good thing.

Then we certainly have a well-filled development pipeline, which means most of our development disciplines are in the meantime utilized, which makes it a little bit difficult to establish additional measures in terms of efficiency management program. I think all in all it's good that the EBITDA margin improvements are actually operational-related. It's actually shown that our gross margin is up by 370 basis points. I think it shows that the improvements are not actually happening by savings, but actually gaining gross margin. That's the positive thing, which allows us to confirm our full year's guidance for 2024. As mentioned, last year, it was really, really back-end loaded. I think this year we are better off that we already see some pickup in the second quarter, and that's why we are expecting significant growth rate topline already in the second quarter of 2024. Now, financial review.

What we clearly see is that, as you can see, adjusted EBITDA margin was 13.5% after 2.1%. And then actually, we are losing somewhat down towards adjusted EBIT margin, which is a little bit weaker than previous year, which is actually almost exclusively attributable to our Natech acquisitions, where the amortizations are slightly higher. However, I think it's not worth discussing that on that low on those small figures, it's actually more small figure-related than actually operationally related. Adjusted consolidated net income was EUR 1.2 million. So I think actually the big upswing is coming here. However, I want to manage expectations that certainly we will nicely grow topline, but particularly on the development end, we have a milestone coming in, which is very topline-heavy, but very earnings-light. So please don't expect us to already get to that full year's expected margin level.

That will only happen in the second half of the year if margins are coming in more from the product side rather than from the development side. Q1 sales decline with 15.7% year-over-year at constant currency to about EUR 51 million is mainly impacted by three negative and one positive factor. So negative factors still heavily underutilized equipment in laboratories. We definitely see improvements there, which means some of the equipment in the labs are in the meantime aged and life-cycled and see some replacement, which means about 50% in the molecular space of all instruments we are selling, 50% is actually replacement business, and the other 50% is new business coming from our customers. And certainly, you probably know that there are three main platforms in the molecular business.

One platform which saw some really nice tailwinds during COVID-19, which obviously led to a high degree of saturation where we see some wins in the meantime. As mentioned, some replacement business. However, the needs at this point are no longer satisfied with underutilized equipment in the space. But with destocking coming from our customers, then we expect to turn that into new business from STRATEC in the second half of the year. The second platform is a generation shift from one molecular platform to the next one, which is happening. So our customer is actually about to launch that program, which happens in the territories of the world, which is actually adding some additional pressure on the previous generation. But therefore, we expect a nice catch-up effect then as soon as the platform is launched worldwide and a certain release of holdback of the end customers.

And then the third platform, which is a digital platform in the molecular space, where this is fairly early in the game, and we are not yet through that hockey stick effect. So if we are adding up all three factors, we foresee a healthy recovery of the molecular business pretty soon. The second thing is still high inventory levels at our customers. We have lead data from some of our customers. We have inventory levels of some of our customers, and we see that the expected inventory levels are now hitting the actual run rates, which means inventory levels are getting to a point where our customers are starting to reorder instruments. Then certainly, the timing of some of the revenue recognition from development services here, I am typically complaining at this point about IFRS 15 and against volatility caused by timing effects here.

So very milestone-light quarter one, but therefore milestone-heavy quarter two in 2024. And on the positive end, we can certainly report strong and further accelerating sales with our service parts and consumables business, which actually shows that the equipment which has been built and the installed base fleet, which was established during COVID and thereafter, is now starting to show utilization, which is the positive thing. High sales with service parts and consumables is actually an early KPI, an early indicator for margin acceleration coming from that business. Typically, I'm mentioning that we only make 30%-35% of revenues with this part of our business. However, more than 50% of our earnings historically is generated with that part of the business because of driven by the fact that this business is margin-heavy. Now switching to the margin side of things here, it's actually getting way more better.

So we still have in Q4 in particular, recognizable negative scaling effects because of small figures. So we can only achieve high scalabilities north of EUR 60 million or EUR 65 million. So we have given sensitivity analysis of margin profile and earnings profile correlation, which is clearly showing that north of EUR 60 million or EUR 65 million scalability effects are coming independent of the actual product mix. And this comes on top that we still see material room for improvement on the product mix side. In COVID, it was more on the other scale of things, on the other side of the scale of things, with very predominantly coming from molecular, very development-light. Now we see that we have some recognized revenues coming from development coming in.

However, still margin-light, we see that the product mix at this point is very molecular-light, therefore immuno-heavy and immunohematology-heavy, where the margins are not as high as in molecular. However, I think in 2025 and thereafter, we will get more back to a normalized product portfolio and product mix with a normalized revenue mix for products as well as with high utilization and therefore better business with our consumables and maintenance parts and at the same time, solid balance of development revenues coming in as well as instrumentation revenues coming in. I think the positive side is that our efficiency measures and particularly structural changes we have established over the past 15 months are now showing effectiveness and efficiency over the full year, which is the positive thing. We'll work on that. In our press release, we reported that we still see some room for additional efficiency measures.

I don't want to overpromise at this point as we see utilization coming back in development and in manufacturing, which makes it a little bit more difficult to squeeze out more efficiencies out of the system. We have to see that if we want to continue to grow, which at the end means a certain degree of investments and a certain degree of trying to establish activities which will only pay back dividend in the future. We have a growing share of service parts and consumables, again, which is an early indicator for margin improvement. Cash flow. And that certainly the cash flow dynamics is still burdened by back-end loaded quarter with the corresponding accounts receivable as well as high inventory levels.

If you would ask me for, let me say, non-operational and non-future-related activities, certainly our focus is bringing in new business and getting through the milestones on the development side and getting back onto the growth track. However, our non-operational work is focused on getting down the inventory levels. We are still sitting on super high inventories, and we have some obligations to bring in inventory levels from obligations we have towards our supplier base. Please allow me to remind you that certainly, let me say, inventory development was kind of flat-ish in Q1. We will work down inventory levels in quarters two and three. However, we will have to buy things and increase our inventory levels in Q4. Then from then on, our structural changes will show positive effects on the inventory levels in 2025.

And on top, certainly, the structural improvements we have established will show efficiencies on the gross margin of the product, which means in 2025, we definitely have the chance to, first of all, establish a big inventory decline, which will lead to a cash release in 2025. And on top, hopefully, can show the effectiveness on those measures established in order to improve the gross margin on the products, which will then add to the margin as well. Investment ratio at this point of at a level of about 8.5% with a further declining level expected for on a full year's basis. Net debt to EBITDA on a level of 3, we will most likely have to increase that slightly in the remainder of the year and then again work that down. This is very much driven by inventory levels. I hope that statements make all sense for you.

Now getting into the outlook. So financial guidance, and I would allow me to summarize that. I think it's actually too early to comment if this is conservative. We are fairly confident with the data we have given, which means sales is expected to remain stable or show some slight growth. Again, very much driven by recovery of some of our franchises, which are still under pressure. And certainly, a substantial year-over-year growth in the second quarter of 2024 is foreseen. Actually, allow me to say that this is certainly beyond the point where it's still planning. We have actually the orders in manufacturing, and at this point, it's actually more a challenge to get the products out of the factory by the end of the quarter rather than utilizing our resources. Adjusted EBIT margin should be around 10%-12%.

Again, obviously, as our business is scaling very well towards the upper end of revenue, so if we'll manage to get more towards the upper end of our guidance, given certainly there is a good likelihood of achieving the upper end of the EBIT margin guidance as well. Investments in tangible and intangible assets forecasted to be in the area of 6%-8% of sales. Again, on the level where we are at this point, we'll most likely show improvements in the remainder of the year. Focus. Actually, I hope you can see more than I can. Yeah. Now it works. Focus for the next, let me say, 12-18 months is certainly, and again, very much driven by the degree of utilization. It's certainly the implementation of additional earnings improvements. We are certainly looking into the details and will act on a very selected basis.

Based on the current figures and depending on the actual capacity utilization rates, we see a potential of low single-digit million EUR earnings improvements. Again, I want to manage expectations. We really take a diligent approach and look into the actual utilization of the capacities. Certainly, regarding our Veterinary business, which is always a discussion at this point, we want to recognize the design to improve actually downstream logistics. So this is not a question of do we get those things established on a development side. It's just that we need to recognize the design in order to minimize downstream costs like logistics, which means final testing in our factory and certainly installation. The instrument is certainly an instrument of a value where customers have the expectation that you put such an instrument into your laboratory as you would put a coffee maker in your kitchen. Very minimal installation task.

As mentioned, design has been improved to be more robust in terms of installation quality and then downstream service costs. This has to be implemented into manufacturing. Certainly, the corresponding ramp-up in the remainder of the year. So I think we are through the worst, but not yet where we should be time-wise. But I think we discussed that in detail already. We certainly want to make progress on our M&A pipeline. So I think this is actually the time where prices are becoming more reasonable. So with a very ambitious growth target in the future, certainly, this is one of the core focuses. We want to execute on our deal pipeline. We have a couple of nice things ongoing, bringing in new business on the development work as well as in manufacturing.

And then certainly, one of the core focuses, which has been a little bit pushed out very much due to resource allocation, is actually the Natech integration and particularly accelerate the recognition of the synergy potential coming there. So going to common customers and commonly going to legacy customers of both businesses in order to make sure that we are really taking advantage of the synergies and of the chances we have as combined units. And then certainly, we will continue to grow our footprint. So we certainly are coming from the diagnostic phase over the past, let's say, 10 years, mainly over the past 5 years. We certainly have established a nice footprint in very selected segments of the life science, particularly those ones generating multipliers and generating more shorter time to markets.

That's certainly one of the chances to accelerate growth in an area where we can really handle the risk very nice. So this gets me to the point where I would like to hand back to Sascha, our operator, and he'll explain us how to get into the Q&A session. Thank you so far.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone wish to ask a question may press star 1 on their touch-tone telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star two. Anyone who has a question may press star 1 at this time. The first question is from Oliver Reinberg with Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Well, thanks so much for taking my question. Hopefully, you feel better soon, Marcus.

First question will be on the kind of short-term business dynamics. I guess Q1 was probably a bit of a softer start than you indicated in the Q4 call. But I guess you already pointed out back then that there's quite some kind of volatility attached to this kind of milestone payments. So I just want to get a feeling, the kind of guidance for EUR 125 million-EUR 130 million the first half, is that still in reach, or should we be a little bit more cautious on that side? And when you mentioned that you're not going to reach the full-year margin target in the first half, does it mean that we can anticipate that for the second quarter or not? And then thirdly, just any kind of color on this kind of milestones.

I mean, normally, there's around EUR 50 million milestone payments in the full year, equally distributed between first and second half last year. Can you just give us a sense how significant the swing factors were now in Q1 versus Q2, just to get a kind of feeling for the kind of sales recovery? And then the last question, just on, I think in the last call, you pointed out the kind of accelerated focus on probably catching business in the kind of life science space. So just can you talk to that in some more details? How advanced is this? Are you already discussing any kind of projects here, and what's changed your thinking here in terms of focusing on these new end markets now? Thank you.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Yeah, Oliver, thanks very much for those questions. So first of all, the first question was about sales dynamics.

And I mentioned in the last call, I mentioned that we'll probably have the chance to get into the area that we might get a level year-over-year after the first six months, which is certainly reachable. But I think it's too early to discuss the dynamics. As mentioned, we are expecting significant growth rates in the second quarter. But I think, as mentioned, it's too early to discuss, will we be level year-over-year after the six months or shortly thereafter? I would like to reiterate my statement. We are expecting significant growth in Q2. However, we should expect that like in the year before, we will have better sales dynamics in the second half of the year. Historically, we are generating between 52%-53% of full-year revenues in the second half of the year.

As mentioned, Oliver, it's super difficult to make generic statements about margin profile of milestones. Allow me to, again, make that statement. We certainly have some milestone payments which are coming in margin-heavy and others which are coming in margin-light, which is very much driven by the actual contractual setup with the customer. Again, I would like to heavily complain about IFRS 15. Definitely, we are trying to establish a contractual setup with our customer, which is good for the company and not good for our balance sheet necessarily. Good for the company means trying to minimize risk in such contracts and to maximize the commercial robustness and commercial positive impact over the entire product lifecycle. That's why we are not over-focusing on the balance sheet aspect.

Again, this may mean that we have some recognition of development activities and development revenues coming in margin-light and others coming in margin-heavy. This particular one was particularly big and particularly margin-light. However, we shouldn't compare it to milestones we had in the past, which were really big. So I would actually consider it being mid-size and coming in margin-light. However, we are showing some nice gross margin improvements on the product, and this will certainly find its balance. And Oliver, let me say, talking about our life science exposure. So this is actually not new. We have some meaningful products which are on the market for more than five years, which are life science research exclusively. However, these products are typically ending up in highly regulated environments.

That's why they are often assumed as being or recognized or perceived as being diagnostic products, although they aren't, as they are used in early-stage neurological disease treatment and diagnostics or are actually more in the translational research space. Our focus is clearly acting in highly regulated markets, which may or may not be diagnostic or life science, particularly those ones providing a high multiplier profile in terms of developing something which is then actually a little bit ring-fenced from competitors because it ends up in higher regulated environments. That can well be the life science research space. Certainly, as this border is getting more and more floating, particularly in the neurospace, particularly in the United States, with an ongoing discussion about CLIA-waived products and LDTs, this doesn't necessarily mean diagnostics in terms of approved products, however, used in highly regulated environments.

This is not new in our strategy, but certainly, this will continue to accelerate in the future as well. But because what definitely helps is that those approval cycles and we definitely see that approval cycles are getting longer and longer after COVID-19 and focusing more in the life science research space where, particularly in the United States, approvals are more or less gained through validation in the relevant laboratories, are helping to recognize revenues a little bit earlier than going into diagnostic exclusively. This is not a change in paradigm, but it's actually a nice track where we have been on for the past 10 years. Hope that makes sense.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Perfect. And thanks, Marcus. And I can just follow up. So for Q2, we should not expect a double-digit margin. Is that correct?

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Too early to talk about that.

Can you just give us a sense of the swing effect in milestone revenues Q1 versus Q2? Is the swing effect more than EUR 10 million, or is that too much?

It would be if we wouldn't have a further bigger milestone in the second half of the year. So I have to answer that from the top of my mind. So the one which has been now recognized in Q2 is certainly mid to high, but it shouldn't be overloaded in the first half of the year.

Oliver Reinberg
Head of German Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thanks so much, Marcus.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question is from Oliver Metzger with ODDO. Please go ahead.

Oliver Metzger
Research Analyst, ODDO

Yeah. Good afternoon, Marcus. I really appreciate that you have made it on the call despite your conditions. So three questions from my side, and please answer them as short as possible.

So the first one is, you expect some strong sales growth for Q2. So the first month is almost over. So it's still pretty early. But have you seen already in April some pickup in momentum, or do you regard this as even in the quarter more back-end loaded? Second question, how would you quantify the positive effect on the EBITDA margin improvement in Q1 due to cost savings? And my last question, what additional potential as percentage of sales do you see from the base of Q2 EBIT margin from your cost savings from the existing program? I don't want to challenge you on the new program. And as I said in the beginning, get well soon. Thank you.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Yeah. No, thanks, Oliver. And thank you so much. Actually, we saw already some nice development, as mentioned, as we certainly have long lead-time items in manufacturing and in procurement.

It's actually the fact that already April was, let me say, already fairly successful. It will not be super back-end loaded. There is a I don't want to say linear distribution across the month because you probably yeah, you're German as well, so you know that May in Germany is always a difficult month in terms of resource allocation. So it was actually a good April. Let me put it that way at this point. So certainly, and I was trying to get that across, is that certainly, our earnings improvement program, where there are some measures established which are sustainable, certainly, it shows effectiveness. And certainly, on a lower revenue scale, the degree of effectiveness is more important than the actual price increases and improvement on the gross margin.

However, you've already saw that our gross margin was up by 370 basis points, which actually shows that actually both ends are showing effectiveness. I hope this gives you an indication about your second question as well. Earnings improvement program is certainly important for us, but it's certainly a means to an end of those effects which are non-sustainable, like hiring freeze. If we are getting towards the upper end of our revenue corridor in terms of guidance, certainly, hiring freeze can no longer be sustainable. I think I mentioned that already in our full-year call that there are certain departments where we actually already released our hiring freeze in software development or some areas in manufacturing.

I think all in all, we are maintaining a high degree of cost discipline, but it's certainly more important to get out of that saving mode and switch back into growth mode where we can take advantage of the improved pricing scheme, which has been established, sorry, in 2023. But certainly, in some cases, we have already agreed upon price increases for 2024 and 2025 and actually showing margin improvements on the gross margin side. So input side will help as well. So all in all, I think it's more important to switch out of the saving mode and get back into growth mode and to make sure that the structural or structurally established means are showing their effectiveness rather than saving.

Oliver Metzger
Research Analyst, ODDO

Sorry. Okay. Yeah. Thank you very much.

The next question is from Michael Haider with Warburg Research. Please go ahead.

Michael Haider
Equity Research Analyst, Warburg Research

Hi, Marcus.

I hope you're getting well soon. I have two and a half questions left, actually. The first one would be on the visibility you have beyond Q2 because I think it's probably pretty visible for you that you will have a very good second quarter. The question is, however, because you also talk about increased volatility in the business, and we have definitely seen that last year that a good quarter was followed by a pretty weak quarter. So my question is, is there any indication that visibility has become better again in your industry so that we can have a high confidence that the second half really will get better beyond Q2? That would be my first question.

Second question, just when I looked at your P&L, the other operating income was a positive EUR 1 million, which, yeah, kind of supported your strong margin development in the first quarter. Can you quickly remind me what was behind that other operating income? And then the last one was just because when you talked through your presentation, you said that service parts are a good early indicator for margin improvement going forward. And I was wondering how you meant that because I think the service parts should be built immediately, aren't they? Thanks. These are my questions.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

No, no, no. Thanks very much. So I will answer, let me put it that way, the last question first, which is probably the easiest.

So certainly, we are trying to describe our business very much driven that there is certainly an underlying margin of the business which pre-pandemically used to be in the area of 15%. And I'm talking EBIT margin. And certainly, we want to get back to the point where we are getting back to this 15% underlying EBIT margin of the company. On top of that, in extraordinary good years like when we had high degree of utilization of our equipment in the field, it typically means that we are selling more consumables and more maintenance parts. In the past, it used to be very maintenance parts-heavy. Certainly, over the next five years, it will become more and more consumables-heavy. And that may actually generate another 100, 200, ideally 300 basis points of margin on top.

So high utilization means that those parts in the instruments, which are maintenance parts, which are getting in touch with biological material, on higher degrees of utilization, those parts need to be replaced more often. And certainly, assuming a constant or growing installed base of instruments, certainly, this means if instruments are getting more complex, the degree of consumables and maintenance part sales is actually growing, which then means that those sales we saw during COVID-19, and at the time, we expected that the utilization might continue to be high, but we didn't see that the actual per-unit sales for maintenance parts in the molecular space didn't pick up, which should be a derivative of utilization. And now we actually see that the installed base is kind of robust in terms of that instruments are not getting decommissioned.

Extraordinary high wear and tear during COVID-19 is now leading to a replacement business, which is leading to a robust install base. And the per-unit sales with maintenance parts and consumables is slightly picking up, which gives an indication of a higher degree of utilization, which is typically downstream, causing the nice-to-have problem of higher contribution as a percentage of sales to our overall sales and therefore our better margin profile. Then, Martin, certainly, the question about the non-operational sales was actually a currency-related activity. However, I would like to reiterate that this was actually not the main contributor to margin improvements as the gross margin was up by 370 basis points, which is the actual driver. And then certainly, Q3 and Q4 visibility.

So cdertainly, as one of those structural improvements we have established over the past, say, six months, was that we are certainly trying to establish a better scenario management. So we are looking into the detailed bottom-up of the contributors to achieve all our goals. And certainly, we certainly have some way to go and to achieve some and get through certain milestone approvals with our customers. And we know that we like introduction of new products in manufacturing or ramp-up for others. This is certainly all things which have to be established. However, the lineup actually fits, and the degree of visibility, predictability, and transparency is improving. I think there is one more thing to say at this point.

One of the indications we have experienced in the past fairly often that it was always a bad sign if the volatility in peaks and dips of the forecast given by our customers and the cadence picking up was always a bad signal. So now if the forecast for one quarter was good from one customer and the next one was weak and then good again, and the cadence of forecasts given was actually reflecting this lumpiness, that was always a bad sign. What we definitely see is that the forecasts are getting more robust, that the delta between spikes and dips is getting lower, and the cadence of forecasts is more reduced, and the deviation between the relevant forecasts affecting a certain period of time is actually declining, which is a good signal, actually.

Now, this is just a historical derivative, but I would actually perceive that the industry is switching back into an operational mode, which is not driven by the effect of the fear that somebody's missing something on the one-hand side and then actually stepping into the warehouse and seeing high inventory levels and then acting accordingly. This is no longer the case, which actually is getting me a higher degree of confidence. Let me say that we will get back more into less panic mode over the next 18 months. I hope that makes sense.

Michael Haider
Equity Research Analyst, Warburg Research

Very clear. Many thanks.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

You're welcome.

Operator

The next question is from Jan Koch with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Jan Koch
VP of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Hi, Marcus. Thanks for taking my questions. I also have three. The first one is, again, on your said development in Q1.

Was the delayed achievement of the milestone payment the only reason why sales in Q1 came in below your previous indication you gave in March, or were there any other reasons? And would be great if you could quantify that specific milestone. Then secondly, on price increases, you mentioned on previous calls that you might implement additional price increases above the level you have announced as part of the earnings improvement program. So have you increased prices further, or are you planning to implement further prices this year? And then thirdly, is there an update on the compensation payment that you expect from a customer that had terminated a contract with you in Germany?

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Yeah. No, Jan, thanks very much for bringing the update as well. In Q1, certainly, the milestone thing was one thing, but actually operational deviations as well.

I mentioned that our customers were super cautious, and we saw a little bit of upswing then in February, but still a high degree of lumpiness then towards the end of March. And when we talked last, certainly, the main deviation was actually based on that recognition of the milestone we have discussed earlier. I think I mentioned a potential data point in our 2023 full-year disclosure, and we deviated from that again. However, this was mainly related to the milestone we discussed earlier. Then certainly, price increases. So both your suggested answers are actually true. For some of our main customers, we have established price increases in the discussions we had in, let me say, after Q1 2023, majority of those price increases established then in the second half of 2023.

So for some of our customers, we already have fully negotiated pricing schemes covering price increases for 2024 and 2025. For others, we don't, and we continue to negotiate those prices. So both is actually true. However, there are some which are not yet affected in our guidance. We cannot because we cannot yet determine them and will certainly play a meaningful role in where will we end up in the bandwidth of the guidance given. And then certainly, compensation payment to the terminated agreement, there is actually no news. So in our today's guidance, no compensation is factored in at any point and at any data point like neither guidance nor topline nor anything the like.

Jan Koch
VP of Equity Research, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Great. That will.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Thank you so much. So let me off the hook, please. So Sascha, are there any further questions?

Operator

Yes. We have a next question from Alexander Galitsa with HAIB.

Please go ahead.

Alexander Galitsa
Equity Research Analyst, HIB

Yes. Thank you. I'll be quick. Just wanted to ask you if you can provide some more color or context to the gross margin development. I mean, where we see in Q1 that despite EUR 10 million lower revenue, the gross margin actually was at a very solid level of 26% almost. Just wondering to what extent this was a function of lower development revenues. And then in connection to that, now we're heading into Q2 where presumably sales will be much higher quarter-on-quarter. So do you expect sequential improvement in the gross profit margin in Q2, or the contribution margin that you generate on development revenues is so much below the group level of the gross margin that you basically may even see no improvement or even deterioration in the Q2 versus?

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

No. Alex, thanks very much for that question.

Actually, we are asking ourselves that very question. First of all, is that the right thing? Gross margin was on a level of about 26%, which is actually, like I said, showing effectiveness here. So certainly, in that particular case, certainly, the contribution margin coming in from development will certainly play a material role in the margin of Q2. However, driven by the efficiency gains we have on the margin of the products, we will definitely see that going forward, the gross margin effect will actually supersede and take over dominance over that milestone payment. It's a little bit too early to give you an indication because certainly, the product mix is playing a meaningful role in Q1. Certainly, as a matter of fact, as our molecular business is not yet showing a recovery with a better gross margin profile.

So certainly, in the second half of the year, gross margin improvements because of product mix, but because of measures as well, will play a meaningful role. And in this particular case of that milestone, which is coming in margin- week, certainly, I was trying to manage expectation regarding margin development in Q2 already. However, in the second half of the year, this will definitely be the meaning or will play the meaningful role, the gross margin on the product level.

Alexander Galitsa
Equity Research Analyst, HIB

Thank you. That's all from me. Wish you a speedy recovery.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Yeah. Thank you. Actually, it's just my voice, nothing else. So thanks for the wishes.

Operator

That was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Marcus Wolfinger for any closing remarks.

Marcus Wolfinger
CEO, Stratec SE

Y eah. Thanks, Sascha. Ladies and gentlemen, this gets us to the end of our Q1 financial results presentation.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to call us. We are here for you. Thank you so much, and have a good day.

Powered by