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Earnings Call: Q4 2016

Mar 1, 2017

Speaker 1

Dear, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Zalando SE Conference Call. At our customers' request, this conference will be recorded. As a reminder, all participants will be in a listen only mode. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. May I now hand you over to Mrs.

Susanna Zabel, who will lead you through this conference. Please go ahead, madam.

Speaker 2

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Solander's conference call this morning to review our Q4 and full year 2016 financial results. My name is Susanne Seibel, and I'm sitting in Birgit Op's chair this morning while she is on maternity leave. With me today are Ruben Ritter, Co CEO Responsible for Finance and Operations and Jan Kemper, SVP, Finance. After a brief presentation, which will follow the usual format, they both will be available for your questions. A few brief remarks before we get started.

Please be aware that during the conference call, we will make, as you might hope, forward looking statements. So please read carefully for the disclaimer and the additional legal information that governs this call. The call is recorded as we speak and live webcast on our Investor Relations website. A replay of the call will be available later today. Let me now turn over the call to Ruben, who will review our Q4 and full year 2016 results.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you, and good morning also from my side. Thank you for joining our call. As always, our presentation will have 4 parts. We will start with the results, highlights and business update.

We will then take a more detailed look at our financials and then come to the outlook for 2017. And then as a 4th section, we have, of course, time for your questions. So let me get started and maybe we start with the financial highlights of the year. I think when we look at the numbers, it's quite obvious and you won't be surprised that we are very happy and very proud of the results we have been able to deliver in 2016. If we look at the growth dimension, we have been able to meet once again our very ambitious growth corridor of 20% to 25%.

And we have continued to gain market share at very fast pace. And as you know, this has been the key priority over the last years, and we are very happy that we have been able to deliver also in 2016 despite the fact that, of course, the absolute numbers of growth also have become very high. So it has been a very challenging target, but we have been able to deliver on it. At the same time, we have been able to significantly increase our profitability. We have now reached, I think, a very significant level.

Have exceeded the upper end of our guidance by 1.5 points, and we have actually doubled the absolute EBIT to a level of €216,000,000 in 2016. When we come to the 3rd dimension, the use of our capital. In terms of net working capital, we have been able to reach a negative working capital of around €100 and 30,000,000 which leads to very strong free cash flow dynamics. Our free cash flow was positive despite the high level of investment with €63,000,000 in 2016. And here, we are benefiting from the growing volumes that we have but also some temporary effects like delivery peaks and shifts in our delivery curves.

With respect to CapEx, we said at the beginning of the year that we want to spend around €200,000,000 in investments. We have spent a bit more than €180,000,000 So I think there we are pretty much on schedule. Some smaller cash outs have been delayed into the Q1 of this year, but I think we are really on schedule also in terms of investing into our infrastructure. Now as you know, at the heart of our efforts and also as a key driver of our growth, we continue to follow the goal to build the leading fashion destination for European consumers. And here we have made great progress both in the Q4 but also in 2016 overall.

We continue to offer our customers a fresh and seasonal and fast changing assortment. Around 90% of our of the items that we offer are seasonal assortments. We continue to add many new brands. We have added 300 new brands in 2016 alone. And we have continued very strong growth not only in the core categories like women but also in niches that we try to tackle with even more efforts.

For example, we have been able to grow around 150% in special sizes. And the 2nd pillar, we continue to grow demand through mobile, which has been a major growth driver over the last years and the same is true for 2016. Our mobile share is approaching 70%. We have been able to scale our app download base to 28,000,000 installs. That's an increase of 75%.

So that underlines that mobile and especially the app is one of the fastest growing areas of our business. And in context with that or in line with that, we have been doing a lot of work to improve the app proposition further and further, releasing 25 new app releases in 2016 alone. The 3rd pillar, we continue to invest into our top of mind brands. By now, we have around 80% organic 2, close to €2,000,000,000 social media impressions through content and campaigns that we have been driving on social media. And we had the 2 big joint campaigns with Gigi Hadid and Beyonce, which again helped to really shape the image of our company and of our brand.

And then as a 4th pillar, we continue to really invest in best in class convenience. I think 2 projects that stick out are the same day delivery proposition as well as the instant returns that we are driving in more and more cities. And this is something that is really supported also by the build out of our fulfillment infrastructure to bring the service to more and more cities and more and more countries. All these efforts combined have led to even higher and even better customer reviews. So we have been able to improve our NPS by 5 points again in 2016, driving it to a new all time high.

Now at the same time, we as we build a consumer destination, we also invest into building the leading online platform for fashion brands, which has the purpose of giving our brand partners access to the huge reach, consumer reach that we have created over the last years. Here we continue to invest into our wholesale proposition in terms of better data exchange, better replenishment, which has helped us also in our net working capital, better forecasting mechanisms to drive this core of our business to become more and more successful. Significantly internationalized the Partner Program to now more than to now 10 markets. We continue to offer our partners digital services, most importantly, Zalando Media Services, where we have announced a new partnership with ProSieben. Ayns, where we offer tailored targeting products to advertisers both in display and also in video.

And we also continue to offer brands space on our own premises on the And last but not least, we are investing in fulfillment services. We have launched Fulfillment by Zalando, which has been successfully tested and rolled out to more markets, while we still continue to work in offline integration to also allow our brands to leverage not only the inventory that they have with us or in their own B2C warehouses, but also the inventory that they have in their offline retail locations. And now as a third dimension, in order to connect brands and consumers invest heavily into building Europe's digital infrastructure for the fashion industry. The one big pillar of this that you know is technology. So we continue to scale our tech team.

We have also completed several large scale rebuild projects in our shop systems that allow us to operate the shop at higher speed and which increases conversion and customer economics. And as you know, we are investing heavily into building a European operations footprint. So we have extended our fulfillment network not only by large capacity extensions in Poland and La, but also by really moving into a truly European network, implementing satellites in Italy and Paris, which is now already fulfilling more than 25% of orders from French customers. And we have also announced that we will build the next satellite warehouse in Sweden to improve our proposition in the Nordic markets. So I would now like to come to the financials and to dig into the numbers in a bit more detail.

So it's always starting with the growth we had in Q3, as you will remember, a slightly weaker quarter in terms of growth. So we are very happy that we were able to reaccelerate to a level that is actually beyond our target corridor of 20% to 25%. So we have been growing in the 4th quarter close to 26% despite a very strong comparison period from 2015. This takes our full year growth to a level of 23%. When we look at the different regions, DACH in the 4th quarter grew 17.5%.

So again, very healthy growth levels at scale. And Rest of Europe continues to operate very nicely at a growth level of about 30%. I think there are along those two regions 2 initiatives that helped us to drive the growth beyond 25% in the Q4. And the first one was Black Friday, which we focused on a bit more than in 2015 and where we really were able to show perfect execution along all elements of this campaign. So in terms of creating an attractive offer, having the right communication, having the right level of capacity available.

And I think the second driver was really Christmas and gifting, where as you know, we also put more emphasis on this year and we will continue to build on this also in the Q4 of this year. When we look at the drivers behind the growth, as always, we separate it into active customer growth and spending per active customer growth. And here you see again that we have been able to grow both very important KPIs pretty much in line. So around 10% active customers is reaching around million. So really significant customer base that we have built over time and that continues to grow.

And at the same time, we were able to significantly increase the number of average orders to active customers through to a level of 3.5. And this increase in frequency is really important to us because it also means we get the customers more frequently to our site. We also get more data points and more interactions with these customers. At the same time, the basket has been relatively stable, which has grown than our GMV per active customer by about 10%. So we see this continued pattern and this is something that we are very that we feel very comfortable with.

Now if we turn over to profitability, I think really what sticks out around 2016 financials is the steep increase in EBIT margin compared to 2015. So we've been able to increase our margin by 2.3 percentage points, which is, I think, extraordinarily strong.

Speaker 2

Also in

Speaker 3

the Q4, which already was very strong last year, we were able to slightly increase our margin to a level of now around 9% in the Q4 of 2016. When we look here one level deeper at the 2 regions, I think DACH and I've said this in the past, but I would like to reemphasize this, has created a very important proof point in terms of also our target margin model by delivering a margin of 12.5 percent now for the full year and a very steep increase by 6 percentage points, which is partially driven by the reversal of the Ford effect, but also driven by many other factors that where the margin benefits from the scale that we have created in the DACH region. However, I also wanted to point out that I think we should also remember and also be willing to reinvest maybe some of this margin to make sure that we can generate continued growth in the DACH region like we have been able to do over the last years. Now when we look at Rest of Europe, Rest of Europe continues to be operating around breakeven. So I think this combination of 30% growth and breakeven is also very attractive financial profile for rest of Europe where we still have a lot of growth opportunities at.

So on the next page, you would look at our P and L in a bit more detail. So let me make a couple comments on the margin development from this perspective. So first of all, cost of sales increased year over year by around 0.9 percentage points and in the Q4 by 0.6 percentage points. In this context, I would like to point out the strong comparison period in 2015. So as you will recall, the gross margin in 2015 was very strong, and we also made the comment that there might be some areas where we can actually invest into growth also on the gross margin.

And this is exactly what we have done in 2016. One example is the Cyber Days, but there are also many other examples along the year where we have been able to use an attractively priced offer to generate growth. The second cost line would then be fulfillment cost, which has improved very significantly 2.6 percentage points for the full year and 1 point 5 percentage points for the 4th quarter. This has been the major driver of our margin expansion, here we have, 1st of all, the reversal of the payment effect, but also overall increased levels of efficiency in how we operate our logistics. While we have at the same time continued to invest into a better and better proposition, we have already mentioned the satellite warehouse and the new services that we offer.

And then the third big cost line, marketing cost, which continues to improve, I think, very consistently over time, contributing 1.6 percentage points to our margin improvement for the full year. Here we just repeat again and again. We continue to see operating leverage. We continue to see increases in the absolute level of our marketing spending, but it is growing slower than revenues as we are benefiting from the large brands investments that we have made in the past. And we also benefit from sort of increasing our NPS further and further, which allows to more and more decouple also growth from our marketing spending.

Then in terms of asset expenses, this has been an area of investment in the last year in terms of increasing our headcount to be geared for future growth in terms of the tech investments that we did and also in terms of extending our infrastructure and office space. Development of our working capital, which we have been able to you see the development of our working capital, which we have been able to drive down very significantly, which, of course, financially is a very positive effect. The main drivers are continued improvements. I already mentioned some of them with respect to stock turn and how we drive our wholesale business. But also please keep in mind that there are some temporary seasonal swings that we have seen particularly towards the end of last year.

With respect to CapEx, €182,000,000 which is perfectly in line with our guidance and also in terms of the distribution and property plant and equipment and intangibles is very much in line with what we communicated the end of last year. Then a quick comment on liquidity. You see starting at the end of this funnel, cash and cash equivalents of €973,000,000 If you add the short term investment, that brings you to a total liquidity of about €1,200,000,000 So now let's come to the most interesting section of our presentation, which is the outlook for the coming year. And before we come to the specific financial objectives, I would like to start the presentation on this section highlighting that we want to continue to focus on gaining market share also in the coming years like we have been in the last years. What we continue to see is really the tremendous potential across our European footprint to benefit from the continued shift of customers from offline into online, to leverage our leading position in terms of our fulfillment proposition, in terms of our brand, in terms of customer base that we already have built and to leverage also our capability to make large scale investments into growing this market.

When we take a step back and take a look at these numbers, we compare here 2013 2016. And what you can see is that we have been able to more than double our market share. So for total Zalando, which is the last column, we have been able to take our market share from 0.5% to now more than 1% in 2016. When we take a look one level deeper at the regions, you see that in Rest of Europe, we actually were able to our market share by a factor of 3. And then for the DACH region, even though we already had a market share of beyond 1% in 2013, Also here, we were able to grow very significantly to a level of about 2.5% market share.

Yet, we continue to see tremendous room for growth, and I think that already becomes evident from just looking at these market share numbers. So for example, in DACH, we already have a share of 2.5%. We don't see any structural reason why we would not be able to grow our share for rest of Europe or for also total Zalando to such a level. If you look even one level deeper, when you look at the market share that we have for shoes and DACH, which is our most mature category because that is how we started, we actually are operating at a market share of more than 5%. So that underlines the potential that we have in terms of realizing high market shares, but we really have continued to when we really have built a strong brand and a strong proposition in the market.

So I think from this perspective, it's quite obvious to us that there's leeway to double and potentially triple our company over the coming years. In addition to this, I mean, this is only looking at the categories that we're operating in our current markets. We also see potential going forward to grow our business from extending into new but fashion related categories and also potentially taking our model into new markets. So this is why we are still very excited about the growth opportunities that we have ahead, and this is also why we want to focus our investment into continued growth of our company. And as I mentioned in the first part of the presentation, also going forward, our investments will focus on 3 very important areas.

So to the left, you have the consumer side. So we are Europe's top of mind fashion destination for the European consumers. I would like to add here that we have been able to grow our traffic in the Q4 of 2016 to a level of 560,000,000 visits in just 1 quarter. So this is really an unprecedented level of consumer reach. And then in turn, we are able to offer our brands in order to give them access to this huge amount of traffic and to build the leading online platform for brands in Europe, which in turn makes our offer to the consumers again more attractive.

So this growth dynamics of adding consumers, which allows us to add brands, which again allows us to add consumers, this dynamic is what we want to continue to drive and what we want to continue to invest in based on the strong infrastructure that we build that allows us to more efficiently and at scale connect suppliers to consumers. So just to give you some examples of these three areas that we want to invest in, starting with the consumer side. We'll continue to invest into extending our assortments. We have announced this morning, for example, the acquisition of Kicks, which is also in the context of giving us access to competency that they have in terms of streetwear and in terms of basketball to extend our assortment and our competency in this area. Also, we have commented that we have started to work, for example, with OiSHOW, so the first Innitex brand that we have been able to bring online.

So I think there's also really huge growth potential from tapping into the large verticals and also having them join our platform and gaining access to the huge consumer base that we have been able to build in Europe. We will invest into personalization, especially on mobile. We think this can be a very significant driver of conversion and also of loyalty. We'll continue to build our brand. Actually, our springsummer 2017 campaign will mainly focus around male customers, which is a segment where we are still underrepresented compared to the penetration that we have with in the female customer segment.

And we'll continue to work on step changes in convenience. As I mentioned in the earlier part of the presentation, we still see a lot of leeway to make online shopping for fashion for consumers even more convenient and even easier. On the supplier side, we continue to invest heavily into scaling our partner program to improve stock connectivity through our acquisitions of Tradebite and Enertwine. We want to scale the digital services that we offer such as ZMS and fulfillment by Zalando. And all of this, and this is the 3rd area, of course, takes place on the infrastructure that we continue to invest in to really build the leading infrastructure at scale both in terms of operations but also in terms of the technology solutions that we offer to our partners.

Now in the light of this direction and also in the light of the investments that we continue to make, let us now take a closer look at our financial objectives, which follow continue to follow the midterm outlook that we have given in the IPO and the years after. So if we take a step back also on this dimension, in the IPO in 2014 with respect to growth, we said that we wanted to target a multiyear corridor of 20% to 25% growth. And if we look back, I think we can really say that we have been able to deliver on this. We have achieved this corridor in 20 14. We have actually outperformed it in 2015.

And now we have reached again in 2016, which brings our CAGR for those 3 years to more than 27%, so actually significantly beyond this target corridor, which makes us very confident to continue to aim for a level of elevated growth of 20% to 25%. I would like to add that at the scale that we are at now, this means that we will add around €800,000,000 in revenues to our business. So this is a very, very significant chunk and this represents a very significant growth. The second dimension, profitability, we have said in the IPO and also in the years after that extending profitability is not our priority. We want to focus on growth and want to focus on making the right investments.

So we said that we want to deliver a sort of breakeven or solid profitability, but not extend the profitability significantly. Actually, we have seen over the last 3 years that we were able to do both, to grow in the target corridor and to extend our margin. So we had a very successful year 2014, bringing our margin level to around 3.5%. We repeated that level in 2015. And now again, we had a very significant step to level of 5.9%, which was significantly beyond expectations.

For the coming years, we have decided to guide for a adjusted EBIT margin of 5% to 6%. So based on the development of the last year, we are now aiming to deliver our growth corridor on an elevated level of profitability compared to the discussion or compared to the long term guidance we gave in the IPO. And this level is 5% to 6%. And on the 3rd dimension, free cash flow and some working capital and CapEx. Also here, we have been very much in line with what we have given as a long term outlook.

So also in 2017, think we will be able to deliver slightly negative working capital, and we aim again for a level of CapEx of around €200,000,000 to be able to make the investments that we see in operations and the investment opportunities that we continue to see in software development. If we take then a closer look at each one of these three dimensions, revenue growth 20% to 25 percent, I think it follows the long term ambition. It underlines that our number one priority is to grab market share. It actually means that we outgrow the overall online fashion market by a factor of 2% to 3%. It also means that we would sort of double the company again over 3 years if we continue at this pace.

So I think this is a very ambitious but very good long term target because it really is the main driver of value creation that we see for the coming years. And as I mentioned, we see growth opportunities across all markets, markets, of course, specifically in Rest of Europe. And here, we are still early in our development and see still a lot of potential to build our brands to build our infrastructure. On the second dimension with respect to EBIT margin, the 5% to 6%. As we said, our number one priority is growth, not to extend margins.

We will continue to invest into our customer proposition and platform initiatives. I'll come to that in more detail in one second. And we want to maintain a healthy balance between investments and sustainable profitability. So I think really the progress on profitability has been enormous in 2016. It has been a tremendous result, and we expect to largely maintain this already elevated level of profitability, but we also really want to make the conscious decision to reserve leeway to be able to invest into those initiatives that we think will really drive long term growth for our business.

Because I know it is a big discussion point, I also would like to make some additional comments with respect to the trade off of growth and profitability. So on the left hand side of this chart, you see our guidance. I think a very attractive combination of fast and self funding growth at a very healthy level of margin. Now as I said in the presentation, in order to maintain this growth also for the coming years, we want to continue to invest, especially with 2 horizons. So the first horizon would be our customer proposition, which drives growth in the short to midterm, which includes investments into pricing, into attractive price points, into our fulfillment structure and additional levels of convenience that drive NPS, but also an elevated level of marketing spending as we continue to be aggressive in building our brand, acquiring customers, pushing our app and all of these initiatives.

And then the second horizon are our platform projects, which drive growth and profitability really more for the long term. So in this bucket of about 2 percentage points additional invest, you find mainly initiatives with respect to long term technology projects, with respect to scaling our partner program, with respect to offline integration, ZMS, so Zalando Media Services and Fulfillment by Zalando. So those two buckets together get us to an investment level of about 5 percentage points. So on the right hand side, you see if we chose not to make these investments, we would be operating at a margin level of around 10%. However, you also have to keep in mind that our growth would likely slow down if we chose to realize such a margin.

And I think as a proof point, as I mentioned before, you can also refer back to the DACH level of profitability and growth we already have been seeing in 2016. So to sum it up, in order to execute on the growth opportunities that we have ahead and that we want to execute on and that we think we have to execute on in order to maximize the long term value of our company, We want to continue to remain on this growth path and want to continue to make these investments. Now on the 3rd dimension, I think very briefly, it's a picture that allows us to continue to be around self funding and that allows us to continue to invest into the big CapEx projects that we have ahead in order to fuel our growth and build our infrastructure. So yes, those were the comments I wanted to make for the outlook twenty 17. So while we speak, the springsummer season has already started.

The whole team is really excited about what we can achieve this year and is really determined to once again deliver great results and great service to our customers but also great numbers, of course, to our shareholders. And yes, this is what we are already working on and fully involved into. And yes, with this last comment, I would like now to hand over to your questions.

Speaker 1

Now we will begin our question and answer session. The first question comes from Andrea Farras. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning guys. Two questions for me please. Firstly, can you give us an indication of what percentage of gross sales you've been delivering through the marketplace so far? And also, in terms of the interest that you've been receiving from brands on the partnership program, how many of them are looking at doing fulfillment through Zalando versus just pure market model? And then my second question is, you mentioned that you might be willing to expand into new markets.

Is this still within Europe? Would you be willing to go outside of Europe? And are you thinking about it in terms of organic growth versus acquisitions?

Speaker 3

Sure. So on your first question, we don't disclose specific levels of partner program, but we have said in the past that it's still in the earlier days. So it's still a single digit share of our business, but it's fastly growing. The interest of brands is very high. We also see that some brands that are particularly eager and particularly good at managing their business and their partner program can get to pretty significant shares on their business quite quickly, which we feel is very encouraging.

With respect to fulfillment by Zalando, also here we have

Speaker 5

a lot of interest because I

Speaker 3

think it really allows many brands to leverage the network that we have been building. So I think also from an industry perspective, it doesn't really make sense for every brand to operate 10, 15 warehouses across Europe. But I think it makes much more sense for a player like us to build this infrastructure and then allow the brands to leverage it. So I think the interest is very high, but also here, we are still very early in rolling it out. With respect to new markets and the discussion if and when we would like to go outside of Europe, I made this comment to remind everyone that we focus a lot on talking about that our target margin market already is quite big, but I think we also have additional growth optionality beyond the current scope of our business.

There's nothing in particular that we want to announce now, but it was a reminder that we continue to think about these options. And I think they could materialize at some point and still form, I think, quite relevant and also quite sizable growth options that we still have.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Simon Irwin.

Speaker 6

Two questions. The first of which is this time last year, you talked about 2016 2017 as being the build years. And then next year onwards, I think you talked about impact. Then coming from that, can you just talk about which of your speedboat developments, in particular, you think move into the impact phase in 2018? And does that also necessarily imply that next year we're going to see a reduction of the percentage investment in customer proposition and platform.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank you for your question. So I think the initiatives that are showing most progress also in terms of what I talked about in this presentation, I would like to point out the progress that we have been making in Zalando Media Services, which we think is a very scalable business that can leverage the capabilities and the reach that we have in the core, but can also build a business proposition that really goes beyond just using the Zalando reach and building really a data developed quite developed quite positively. So on the long, I think the team has made great progress to really build an attractive offer for our customers and to also take it beyond Germany. And I think there are also many options that we can use going forward to leverage the stylus base that the salon has built and integrate that experience even more into the fashion store to make also our core offer more attractive by using these assets that we have created on Zalom.

And then I think fulfillment by Zalando is one of the big opportunities that we have in terms of being a valid self standing business but also and particularly in terms of leveraging it to make the participation in the Partner Program even more attractive and even also economically more attractive for both sides as we think there's great efficiency opportunity in leveraging our fulfillment footprint for

Speaker 5

brands.

Speaker 7

In terms of reducing

Speaker 3

the level of investment in 2018, I think we focus today on the guidance of 2017. But I'm not saying anything new that we, in principle, would like to continue this very growth focus steering up our business also beyond 2017. You've seen the chart with the market shares and what we have been able to achieve over the last 3 years. So of course, in principle, we hope to do something similar over the next 3 years and really build a European tech champion and online champion. And this is what the team is excited about, and this doesn't stop after 2017.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Mr. Angus Stridey.

Speaker 8

I just wanted to ask on the acquisition today. If you can give us any idea of revenues and how that's feeding into your guidance and any impact that might have had on the margins for 2017? I also wanted to ask on the sort of conversion rates. So looking at active customers versus site visits, the sort of proportion that are conversing continues to deteriorate. What do you think the issue there is?

Presumably, it's harder to build sales in these new markets. But I mean, does just imply a lot of investment in logistics? Any thoughts around that would be appreciated.

Speaker 3

Yes. So on your first question, the Kicks acquisition that we announced this morning, I think it's exciting and we're very eager to see how it works because it's the first time that we acquired a company that has particular knowledge in one very attractive niche, yes, so the streetwear basketball market where they have also great access to very interesting products. And so we are very excited about the acquisition. I think in terms of having a substantial impact on our growth numbers and EBIT numbers, there the scope of the business is not so significant that it would have an impact on the group numbers that we have to break out or that we are particularly concerned about. In terms of your second question with respect to conversion rates, so actually the conversion rate year over year when you look at 2015, 2016 has improved.

So also here, we see continued progress that we are making in terms of improving on-site but also building a more and more loyal customer base that converts more frequently. So there, actually, I think our conversion rate already in 2015 was on a pretty high level when you compare it to benchmarks. So I think we are very happy with the progress we have been making. Q4 has been particularly strong in terms of visits, which I think is a great sign actually because it shows that we have been really able to boost visits through Black Friday but also the entire quarter and also with respect to our Christmas campaign. So getting more traffic, I think it's a great time because long term, if you want to acquire new customers, the first thing you have to do is to get them to the site and then over time convince them to convert.

So we are very happy about these dynamics actually.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Mr. Magnus Rumman.

Speaker 9

Thank you. I also have two questions. The first one relates to what you spoke about in terms of margin in the DACH region and maybe a need to reinvest some of the margin to drive growth? And how we should view this in relation to total group margin, assuming you would stay on a flat margin in 2017 compared to 2016, would that imply that rest of your region would produce a margin above the flat level that we've seen? That's the first question.

And then on the marketing budget, in 2016, you commented throughout the year that you targeted a budget in absolute terms of around €400,000,000 It actually ended up a bit below that around €375,000,000 And maybe if you could provide a similar comment here on your planned marketing spend for 2017. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. So on your first question with respect to that margin in DACH, So as you know, we don't give particular guidance on a segment level, but I just wanted to point out that we have seen such tremendous progress in the margin in DACH that I just wanted to alert everybody, including ourselves, that we should remain entrepreneurial also in how we steer that. Yes, so it is our most mature region, that's for sure, and it will also be our most profitable region for a long time because rest of Europe is still operating around breakeven. But to me, that doesn't mean that the margin always has to go up in DACH. I think there are also scenarios where we can reinvest in a good way into continued growth because also in DACH, when we talked about the market share, it's a 2.5% market share.

That's already very significant, but we still see it going higher. And this is why I wanted to make sure that you know that we also are prepared to make investments. And I think there are several areas where we think investments could pay off. This is an investment that we could balance with the margin in Rest of Europe, but I'm not sure if we always have to balance it with the margin in Rest of Europe. So to some extent, I would also like to think about the 2 as also steer on a market level and try to make sure that for each also steer on a market level and try to make sure that for each market and for each category, we steer it in a way that it maximizes long term value.

And that could also include reinvestments, for example, in DACH. On your second question, the marketing budget. So you're right, we used the numbers of around €400,000,000 To me, €375,000,000 is close enough to €400,000,000 given that we are still growing so fast and it's difficult and to really make a precise forecast, especially when you want to remain very agile in the way that you steer your commercial investment. So I think for 2017, what you can expect is that the absolute level of spending will continue to go up like it has in the last years, but that as a percent of sales, it will continue to come down. And the course of the year, we will see to what extent.

But I think in general, that remains the direction.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Mr. Adam Cochran,

Speaker 10

UBS here. When you have talked throughout the presentation today, you've mentioned the phrase elevated levels of profitability a few times. And it may just be a translation thing going on here. But by elevated, do you mean high rather than unsustainably high when talking about the elevated levels of profitability for this year and looking into next year? And then secondly, the gross margin movement in the year, could you give us a bit more explanation about the moving parts within that?

So as your marketplace obviously increasing, there should be some benefits there. And if you could just give us some idea of the moving parts within that, please?

Speaker 3

Thanks. Sure. So with respect to the first question on what elevated means. So what I wanted to say is that clearly, the significantly beyond what we promised during the IPO. So this is what I mean with elevated.

And maybe another word for it would be to say high. And I think it is a pretty high margin, especially in combination with the growth corridor that we have been delivering and that we want to deliver going forward. So in principle, I think definitely this is a level of margin that we can deliver. I mean we have done it last year and there's nothing there was nothing strange with the margin last year. But and I've also said that our long term target model actually yields the potential of an even higher margin.

But I think you always have to acknowledge we want to do this margin in combination with a continued and very high growth. And this is what I wanted to describe. In terms of gross margin, of course, there are many aspects that go into the gross margin. So one big point is how we negotiate terms with our suppliers and how we see continued leverage in this over the next years. A second big component is how we do seasonal discounting and how we make sure that we sell through our inventory and how we drive commercial events like Black Friday and how we make an attractive offer to our customers.

And then, of course, a third element is Partner Program, which has essentially a 100% gross margin. So on Partner Program, the dynamics is that we only realize a commission. So we don't realize the full value of the product but only a smaller portion of it. But that is our revenue and that is also to 100% our gross margin. So as we scale the Program, you can expect that to have a positive effect on the gross margin.

But when you look at the development, as I pointed out, you should also keep in mind that 2015 already was a very strong level of gross margin and was actually already in the corridor of our long term target model. So I think it was a good decision to also make some reinvestments in terms of gross margin in 2016.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Mr. Damon Hohman.

Speaker 7

Thanks for taking the questions. First of all, it was just to follow-up on Kix. Just to clarify, is Kix an acquisition where you're not buying market share, it's more about you're buying some capabilities that you feel you don't have? And if that's the case, why can't you build those capabilities organically? And then second, just on the margin in DAC, obviously, well ahead of the 10% target that you've talked about as the long term and the increasing partner programs, etcetera.

Should we start to think about the long term margin being above 10% as a target?

Speaker 3

So on your first question with respect to Kix. So yes, we are, of course, also buying market share, but I think in a not significant degree compared to our overall size. So the main point around the acquisition is really to buy capabilities and experience in one specific segment, being streetwear and basketball. Of course, we can also build that organically. I just think it takes longer.

So if we find a great company with a team that we like and that has a great capability, we have the cash to make such acquisitions in order to speed up our progress and to speed up our growth. Then on your second question with respect to DACH. So yes, you're right. I think the DACH margin is a very important proof point around also our target margin that we discussed during the IPO. And I remember that some people were very curious if this really would be possible with all the return rates and all these things.

And so I think it's a great sign that in DACH, we have shown that we are able to actually exceed that level of margin, while we are still growing very healthily in this region. I think that's a very positive data point. And it also indicated that in a market like DACH that I think also structurally is a strong market because people buy on price, they buy they tend to buy higher price points. Obviously, we have been able to achieve a level that goes beyond our target margin model, which I think also is very positive for our long term outlook.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Mr. Andreas Rehmann. Your line is now open.

Speaker 11

Yes. Good morning. Two questions from my side. First topic, Kix again. You speak about the capabilities.

Do they have special connections to sports brands or do they have connection to certain customer base that you want to address? Maybe a bit more clarity here. And then do you want to integrate the Kicks online shop into the Zalando platform or will it remain independent? And then of course, the bigger picture is, can you expect more M and A in this e, adding a retailer with offline stores even? And the second topic, a quick one on working capital.

It's negative as a percent of sales, yes? And the relevance of or the growing relevance of the non wholesale activities and my view should support that. So is there any particular reason why you say working capital should be flat going forward?

Speaker 3

Yes. So let me comment on your first question on Kicks, and then I would like to hand over the second question on working capital to Jan. So on KIX, the main asset that I think they have is really that they have figured out to build a fan base around the segment that they operate in and also to build very strong supplier relationships and access to very attractive inventory. And this is, I think, what makes this business attractive to us and we think also attractive to to drive the business even stronger. But in principle, we look at to drive the business even stronger.

But in principle, we look at it as an independent company that we would give in terms also of our platform strategy that we would give opportunities to also drive their business on the Zalando platform, so to bring their offer on our platform. In terms of doing more M and A, so we have been doing selected M and A transactions in the last years. And we think it has helped us to build the company even stronger. So I definitely think we'll continue with these activities. Although I think to acquire retailers just because they are offline stores, I don't think that this is very attractive to us.

We have said in the past that we think offline will also play an important role in the digital world, but there we are more interested to partner with existing offline players and allow them to integrate into our platform. It's not our strategy to really operate large store networks ourselves. So in terms of the Kix acquisition, the primary focus was not to acquire somebody who has physical stores. The primary focus was to acquire someone who has specific capabilities in a segment that we find very attractive. Yes.

And with regards

Speaker 5

to working capital development, it's correct that some of the non wholesale activities might be beneficial for the working capital development. But also please keep in mind that we always said in the past that we focus on a neutral working capital, slightly negative for also 2017 as we look on it as portfolio approach in a way. So always looking for opportunities to optimize our working capital in general, but also opportunities to reinvest into the wholesale but also other initiatives. So it's I guess we give out the guidance for a neutral working capital and for 2017 is slightly negative one that and also the portfolio approach still remains intact.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Mr. Karl Heverly.

Speaker 11

Two very short questions for me. Firstly, could you just remind us about the mix you're expecting over the midterm from partner program as a percentage of GMV? And secondly, is there any color you can give on how January February have trended so far and perhaps sort of your thoughts going into spring summer?

Speaker 3

Yes. So on your first question, mixed partner program. So ultimately, of course, the brands decide themselves how much business they want to drive through which mechanism and the customers decide which product they want to buy. So ultimately, we feel like we want to lay the groundwork for both wholesale and partner program and then customers and brands decide which model gets which share. But in principle, when I look also at those brands that have been very successful in driving their business through partner program on our platform, think the share can be somewhere between 20% 30% of GMV.

So I think it can be a very significant part of our business in the future. With respect to your second question, I think it's too early to comment on how the business is trending in 2017. With respect to the springsummer season, well, I think we're all looking forward to summer to some extent, but also because I think it can be a very interesting season for us. So in terms of the campaigns we have lined up, in terms of the assortment that we have created, in terms of the also delivery innovation that we want to offer in terms of scaling, for example, the local satellite in France. So I think there are many initiatives where we are, of course, very eager to see how they play out.

And I think we go with very positive spirits into the year and also into the springsummer season.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Mr. Graham Renick. Your line is now open.

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Just when looking at the drivers of revenue growth across 2016, customer acquisitions slowed from 22% in 2015 to 11%, and this was offset by strong 13% growth in orders per customer. So the balance of growth looks have shifted more towards greater share of customer wallet as opposed to adding new customers. I just wondered if you can give a bit more detail as to why customer acquisition has slowed to 11%, given I would have expected capturing new customers is still your biggest long term growth driver and route to take more market share?

And then when we think about your revenue guidance for 2017, should we expect the same shape of revenue growth with new customers growing at low teens and stronger growth in order frequency? Or should we expect a reacceleration in customer growth?

Speaker 3

Well, I think what we have seen over the last actually, I think all the quarters since we do this earnings call is a very balanced picture between growth of active customers and spending per active customer growth. Of course, it varies a bit by quarter. But in general, I think you have seen always that both growth drivers have a similar magnitude in terms of contributing to our growth. Actually, in the Q4, particularly of 2016, the active customers that we were able to add were significantly higher than in the quarters before. So we added 700,000 active customers in Q4 alone, driven by the Christmas business, by Black Friday but also overall by a strong Q4.

So from that point of view, I think I would characterize this slightly differently. Of course, when you compare these numbers to 2015, 2015 was a remarkable year of growth. I think in Q4 and 2015, we grew more than 30%. So of course, when you compare the growth drivers, all of them are stronger in 2015. But in principle, we have the dynamic that we are able to do both, growing the active customer base and growing their average spending.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Jana Mistry. Your line is now open.

Speaker 12

Hi. Just two questions for me. Firstly, could you tell us what your revenue growth would have been in 2016 if you had fully recognized partner program sales? And secondly, do you see 2017 as a near term peak for CapEx given that you're building both Filar and the Poland satellites? Or should we assume that CapEx would be 4% to 5% of sales going forward?

Speaker 3

Yes. I will take the first question, and then I would hand over to Jan for the question on CapEx. To revenue to revenue growth. But as we have said before, the Partner Program is growing in GMV share.

Speaker 5

Yes. And with regard to CapEx, I guess, we already like also pointed out last year, we're going through a phase of elevated CapEx levels of around 5% plus. Still, the longer term in the longer term, we expect somewhat to level that number down to around 2% to 3%. That remains intact. Now for 2017, we remain on roughly the number we've seen in 2016 based on some of the logistic projects we actually speeded up.

And in some of the new initiatives Ruben pointed out during the presentation. But it does not change our view on the longer term levels.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Mr. Jurgen Corb. Your line is now open.

Speaker 3

Thanks very much. Two questions from my side.

Speaker 5

First of all, you mentioned the first business with Inditex. Maybe an additional word on how you see that business developing and at what level and what stage you are here? And secondly, again, on the M and A side, the Kix acquisition, I think in previous calls and comments, you said that you are looking at adjustment categories like leisureie or jewelry or what have you or cosmetics. So shall we expect or shall we believe that in order to get more expertise in these categories, you also consider acquisitions to gain additional expertise on those fronts?

Speaker 3

Sure. So on your first question with respect to Innitex, we have said in the past that we think one of the big opportunities that we have for long term growth is to also start to work with the big verticals. And obviously, Inditex is a huge vertical, and we are very happy that we are able to start our cooperation with them by focusing on OYSHO, which is one of their brands. And we are very eager to see how that works, but we are very excited about it because there are some very strong verticals that resonate really well with our customer base and where we think we can really create value for both customers and the verticals to bring them together on our platform. So that is something we are very excited about.

With respect to Kix and what that means for adjacent categories and moving into them with M and A, I think that is an clearly have. So that could be a potential way to launch new categories. On the

Speaker 5

other hand, of course, we always want

Speaker 3

to balance that with the opportunities that we have to build these new categories in house. I mean, we have shown in the past that we have been very successful in extending our range of categories organically. And so I think there, we have really 2 options, and we will, for each opportunity, figure out which one is the better option to provide a great offer to the customer and also to make it so far very profitable and value creating steps.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from Mr. Mark Josephson.

Speaker 3

Congratulations from my side on

Speaker 13

delivering again in 2016. I have a question regarding the costs of the IT hubs that were expanded last year and found in Europe. Are the costs solely charged against the European base? Or given the nature of the business that they're doing, are they charged at the center and then apportioned across the sales base of Stylando? And my second question regards the share based compensation.

In Q4, there was a reversal effect. Can you give us some of the background to what's happening there, please?

Speaker 3

Yes. So I'll take the first

Speaker 5

one with regards to the cost of the respective tech hubs. I mean, we take the typical approach of allocating the respective costs to the products the engineers are working on and then those costs are actually allocated, a, to the cost centers and then b, to the respective businesses. So it's not an overall approach simply to allocating to everybody on a specific revenue or cost basis, but literally pinpointing the specific areas the respective tech guys are working on in order to have the most accurate allocation of the cost basis.

Speaker 3

With respect to your second question, with respect to share based compensation, I'm not quite sure which effect you're referring to. According to my knowledge, there has not been any significant change in how we account for share based compensation.

Speaker 13

Okay. Then I will look at that again. I had the impression that there was a larger sum allocated at the 9 months than there was for the full year. There was some sort of reversal in the Q4, but I will check that again if that's not the case.

Speaker 3

Yes, please. If you could check it and then get back to us, we can answer separately.

Speaker 1

The next question is from Mr. Richard Chamberlain.

Speaker 8

Thanks very much. Good morning, guys. Just going back to the profitability by region, I just wondered if you can say whether in the medium- to long term, you think there are any structural reasons why profitability should be lower in the rest of Europe compared to the DAC region? Should we be expecting those margins to converge in the medium- to long term? And second would be, it'd be really helpful if you could give a comment on the U.

K. Market. I know you've been much more aggressive in the past year in terms of advertising and marketing. How successful, Loom, do you think you've been in attracting new customers in the U. K.

And increasing spend per customer?

Speaker 3

Sure. So in terms of profitability by region, so we don't see any structural reason why the margin profile should be dramatically different. So I think the main driver of margin difference that we have by now right now is that we are still growing faster in Rest of Europe, that we are still earlier in investing into our brand and building our infrastructure and building our customer base. So that is the main reason for the difference in margin that we see right now. However, I also cannot promise that they will be exactly the same, yes?

So of course, in DACH, we have the advantage of great scale. We have the advantage of higher purchasing power per consumer. We have the disadvantage of high return rates. So it may be that also long term DACH margins are slightly higher than in rest of Europe, but I see them as being dramatically different. With respect to U.

K, so it has been, as you know, a market that we used to focus very little on where we have increased our focus. However, where we also encounter some headwinds from exchange rate changes after the Brexit decision and also, I think, some long term uncertainty with respect to what it means to operate in the U. K. And to import goods in the U. K.

So I think that makes us a bit more cautious on this market. However, we see that in principle customer reaction has been positive to our offer. And in principle, we feel comfortable to find levers in terms of how to extend our reach in the U. K.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Mr. Philipp Frey. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Hello. Well, first of all,

Speaker 14

could you remind us of the actual growth investments by the definition which you used for your outlook for 2017 that you actually incurred in 2016? And then can you update us a bit on the progress of your private label initiatives? Did private label continue to gain share? Well, what are your plans regarding further private labels or extending the range here? And lastly, probably, what kind of benefits do you expect in terms of efficiency improvements in the after the ramp up now of the LAA warehouse in 2017?

Speaker 3

Sure. So in terms of growth investments, I think you will recall also from the last year's presentation that we had a similar structure in terms of talking about the level of investment that we have and how that trades off with additional growth. And that we also in this year want to continue to invest a level of around 5 percentage points in terms of margin. Of course, this is an approximation, yes? So there is no exact way to figure out this level of investment, but we feel very comfortable with the order of magnitude of the numbers that we have provided that relate to many investment areas that we already have been working on in 2016 and where we potentially want to increase our investment levels to the extent that we see these investments really are paying off.

In terms of private label share, the share is relatively stable. As we have commented in the past, our strategy is not to necessarily private label share up but really to continue to introduce more and more brands to our platform. We just discussed our approach to verticals. And of course, when you include such high performing brands, you will create more and more competition also for your private brands. So this means that our strategy in terms of in line with the overall business and continues to be a very strong in line with the overall business and continues to be a very viable part of our company and our proposition.

With respect to LAA, so of course, we will see efficiency improvements in LAA as the location ramps up. It will also be our automated location in terms of having a very large packsorter built into the facility. So long term, it should show very good operational KPIs. On the other hand, of course, we will then also have ramp up costs for our new facilities right now in Paris, then later this year in Poland and then following that in Sweden. So as we continue to extend our footprint, one warehouse gets more efficient, but of course, we also add again the next one right away.

Speaker 1

Our last question comes from Georgina Johanan.

Speaker 15

Hi, guys. It's Georgina Johanan from JPMorgan. Two quick questions, if I may, please. First one is, apologies if I missed it, but can you give some color on the KPIs by region? I know that you don't disclose specifically, but just any color you could provide would be useful.

In particular, what sort of active customer growth you're seeing in DACH? Has this kind

Speaker 1

of flattened off now?

Speaker 15

And then my second question, I think Italy has also been kind of one of your focus markets in Rest of Europe. One of your competitors is obviously online competitors rather than mass market has obviously seen growth slow there quite considerably recently. And if you could just comment on progress in Italy, that would be really helpful, please.

Speaker 3

Sure. So as you know, we are a bit reluctant to disclose a lot of KPIs by region. But of course, what we commented on is that as you know, return rates differ significantly between markets. So we have very high return rates in DACH. We have lower return rates, for example, in Southern Europe.

We have significant differences in terms of discount rate. So customers in different markets tend to react differently to discounting, where we have also the DACH region probably being less categories is different by markets. For example, Poland has a very high premium category share. Same is true for the Nordics. So there are I think there are numerous differences and really each market has its own economics.

But as I also said before, I think we see that typically every market has some disadvantages, some advantages. And ultimately, I think they can get to similar levels of profitability because ultimately the business model is the same in all of these markets. With respect to Italy, it is a market where we have been doing a lot of bringing a lot of focus on because it is a very large market, and we see that we have a lot of traction. We see that we also have a very high online market share, just that the online market in itself is not yet so developed. So we are doing a lot of initiatives to really convince Italian consumers to spend more time and more of their shopping online.

One of the big initiatives has been the satellite warehouse, which has yielded great results in terms of operating efficiency but also in terms of customer feedback. We have been doing a lot of targeted campaigns at Italy to really explain the customers the benefits of shopping online. So Italy will continue to be a market that we put a lot of emphasis on because we really believe in the long term growth prospects that we have in this market.

Speaker 1

Thank you. There are no further questions at the moment. I hand back to the speakers.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. With that, we are closing the call for today. Please note that the call and recording of the call is available on our website. Thank you very much, and goodbye.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attendance. This call has been concluded. You may disconnect.

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