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Earnings Call: Q1 2025

Apr 9, 2025

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Hello everyone, and welcome to Admicom's Q1 2025 Interim Report webcast. My name is Simo Leisti. I'm the Group CEO of Admicom, and this is my pleasure to be with you now after my full first quarter with the company. I'm also here joined by Satu Helamo, our Group CFO, with me today. First of all, it's great to have all you here, and you have questions and answer ability in the webcast. Just press the send a question button, and it will guide you through asking questions. At any time, please post questions, and we will have plenty of time for Q&A in the end of the presentation. For Admicom, Q1 was a little bit of a kind of like a mixed quarter. We had good sales performance. We had good progress with our strategy planning and our execution plan development.

At the same time, the market was quite challenging for our customers, which was visible in the high number of insolvencies, actually very high number. Also, we saw that even though the market was starting to pick up based on the construction volumes, we only saw a very slight positive increase in the volumes overall. Our financials came out pretty much as we planned, and Satu will go through those in more detail, how the Q1 turned out for our business. Here is the agenda. I will first describe a few significant customer cases from Q1. I will give you a little bit more color to our strategy execution plans, how they have been evolving, and then Satu will guide you through our Q1 financial results and also remind you of our financial outlook for this year. We will have time for Q&A.

Like I said, please do send questions as we move along, and we will have time for Q&As in the end. I will pick up the questions from the messages that you sent out. First, let's start with the customers. That is what we are here for. We had an exciting Q1 in terms of significant customer cases. I am highlighting the ones that we saw as the most representative of the Admicom strategy as we move forward. Overall, we had a good new customer intake. We got about 130 new customers in, and through insolvencies, we had more than 100 customers leaving. As a net effect, our customer number grew during Q1. Just to highlight a few important customers and why they are representative of our strategy.

Ralf Ajalin is a customer who has been a long-term customer of ours in the estimation and planning side of our platform, but now they also wanted to onboard into our Ultima ERP platform. The reason was that they wanted to have a single platform for combining both the project planning capabilities and the financial results so that they're all in one platform and they're able to get the full picture of their performance and operations from that platform. Another important aspect of our strategy is how we are able to broaden our footprint of our product penetration with the customers. There we had two great examples from Respect Talotech, where they have been a user of multiple of our tools, and now they are currently users of Vision in terms of the documentation solution, Tempo in the scheduling, and also now Ultima as the ERP.

Rakennus Kran is a great example of ours, where the customer truly believes in Admicom's ability to support their business with a very holistic platform approach, where they are currently users of our estimation tools, of our scheduling and planning tools, of our documentation tools. They have been now onboarding into our AI pilot customer program. They were among the first ones in Finland to start onboarding Bauhub for the project coordination as well. They are truly kind of onboarding our journey in terms of supporting the customers holistically across their construction project lifecycle. We also had some interesting other opportunities. Trackinno has been in our portfolio for more than a year now, and they are supporting mobile equipment, mobile asset management, tracking and managing asset maintenance lifecycles, and also supporting mobile work in the field.

We were able to win a public tender for Pääkaupunkiseudun Kaupunkiliikenne Oy, which is one of the public transport companies, in helping them to manage their track infrastructure and also their mobile assets and their lifecycle, plus their mobile work in the fields. This was a very significant order for us in tracking the business, and we were very happy to have, in a way, a very broad implementation of tracking to help them to manage their assets in their business. We also got an interesting customer from NRC Group, where they had their existing estimation tool was going end of life, and they made a public tender or they made a tendering process in selecting a new estimation tool.

We were participating in that competition, and it was a great example of our ability to win in a very open tender environment. We were able to win that deal from NRC Group, and they will be now onboarding into our estimation tool. JM is a cooperation that has been starting well. We are working with them in multiple fields of our platform, and we are supporting them in rolling out those capabilities across their Nordic operations. A great example of our international customer base expanding. Broadening the portfolio used to give and provide more customer value, first Bauhub customers in Finland, some larger deployments of our platforms like with the Trakkino example, and of course having major international customers onboarded as well. Good representation of our strategy in action from the customer perspective.

Also speaking of customers, we had a great event in bringing together Nordic and first of all in the first year, Finnish construction customers and ecosystem players to discuss about what will create the success for the next 20 years of construction industry. This is where Admicom really wants to be one of the leaders of the change in the industry overall, how digitalization, use of data, use of AI will help the construction industry to challenge the conventions that we have today and how we're able to facilitate the conversation among the customers and the ecosystem members. It was a great event. We brought around 300 people across the construction industry ecosystem together. We were able to facilitate a nice conversation among the participants around the topics of digitalization, AI. We were able to present some great demonstrations of our technologies and capabilities.

We're planning on having this as an annual event, helping the construction industry to come together and discuss about the future of the industry, the changes that we want to introduce there, and how we can together make the construction business more productive and help each other to build better together. A few words about the strategy execution. As I laid out in the last Q4 release webcast, I have been working on a plan of a 60-day planning cycle, and now we're able to start to describe what changes are we introducing in our strategy execution and in our operating model to support the accelerated growth phase of our strategy. First of all, our vision is unchanged. We want to be the first choice of partner in the European construction software ecosystem.

We really want to be the ones leading the whole industry productivity improvements and bring new digital capabilities for our customers across international markets in Europe. Our mission is put into the form of a North Star, where we have the five key star kind of like edges where we define what we want to do by 2030. First of all, we want to make our customers successful in increasing their productivity by approximately 25% compared to peers not leveraging our capabilities in their business. We want to make it work so that it's done by a comprehensive digital platform, which is AI-enabled, and it gives the capabilities the customers need to support their overall construction project lifecycle. We want to provide it so that it is delivered through a superior customer experience.

We know that the construction industry is very, very critical of the ease of use of technologies because the conditions in which our users are using the technology are typically not very suitable for having a small device or a laptop out there, but it needs to be delivered in a way that it's most seamless and easy to use. We are also focusing on making sure that our employee experience is also superior and supporting us to be able to deliver a great customer experience. Those two go very much hand in hand.

We also want to internationalize our footprint, and I will describe a little bit what we're doing in that area, but the example of the JM customer is a good one in terms of our ability to support international customers and also help us to become represented in multiple different markets and help us to grow our overall addressable market. Of course, we want to become the best place to work for people who love the construction industry and who love the digital platforms and use of those. Admicom should be the best place to work for those individuals having the love for those two areas. Our mission is to help our customers to build better, and we do it together by bringing together the ecosystem partners and the customers and the Admicomians to create new ways of working and challenge the conventions.

Through this, we are aiming towards growing our business to a level of EUR 100 million ARR by 2030. It is a combination of organic and inorganic growth that we are aiming towards. This is our mission in brief. Of course, in order to differentiate in the market and bring those new capabilities, we are ready to invest in developing new technologies to support the construction industry productivity improvements. During Q1, we launched a EUR 2.4 million research project that aims in researching and finding those most prominent use cases for AI and the use of data in the construction industry. We do it together with our customers and with the academia in terms of research work packages. Also, we were able to get a EUR 1 million grant from Business Finland to support this initiative.

This is important for our competitive differentiation, for enabling us to build the right capabilities in the future to our platform, but also to be able to differentiate internationally with our capabilities and how we are able to embed AI into our platform. We also launched now a new operating model, and this is one of the key outcomes of the 60-day planning that I was leading when joining the company. The key highlights of the change in the operating model is that how we're able to turn our focus from being, let's say, very product-centric. We used to have a business unit model which was built around our products, how we're able to turn that into a more customer-centric operating model. The customer centricity is in the core of our new operating model.

We also want to make sure that we have a high level of operational excellence so that we're able to create a more simplified operating model for more quick decision-making and being able to have a higher organizational clock speed as we move forward. The key principles of the operating model is that how we're able to reallocate our resources to the places which are enabling us to move into this accelerated growth phase. One important being the growth operations where we're allocating a lot more resources in an integrated, efficient growth operations that comprise of our salespeople, of our customer success operations, and our marketing working together to make sure that we have an aligned and effective growth operations supporting our growth initiatives. This is all about capturing new sales opportunities from the market. It's about enabling more effective cross-sales in our existing customer base.

It is also about being more proactive in mitigating voluntary churn. Simplified operating model is also visible in our platform operations where we used to have business units comprising of different kinds of product management and product development roles. Now we are moving into an operating model where we have one product management organization working aligned across our portfolio capabilities, making sure that the portfolio is supporting customers' workflow in an optimal way and improving the customer and user experience of our platform as well. We are bringing together also our product development people under one product development organization to make sure that we are able to shift our R&D and product development resources to the places where it makes the most value and where we can drive the most impact into our customers' productivity.

We're also bringing our accounting service into a new position in the operating model where it's reporting directly to me, and we're starting to investigate for more value-add services in the accounting service where we can also, through our expertise in the financial management and payroll management and other aspects of the service, how we're able to tap that into the ability to support the increase of the productivity, be more proactive in our services and in being more consultative to our customers, and also to investigate potential new value-add services that we can also bring to our customers to build better. Of course, we need to evolve and mature our internal operations. We have a function within the business enablers where we have the internal functions who are enabling us to operate effectively.

We have there the finance, our people operations, we have our IT and so on. Of course, there we want to develop the processes that are needed to effectively support our business, create more automation also internally our operations and have development of our processes, systems and our data, what we can internally share for our business to better lead the business and make better decisions based on the insights that we can get from our business systems. When it comes to leadership, we are simplifying our leadership structure so that we have much more clear roles and responsibilities that helps us then to lead more effectively and also be more accountable for the areas of operations for the whole organization.

To reflect this new operating model, we have the updated leadership team structure where I wanted to have a little bit more compressed leadership team where we have more clear roles and responsibilities. On top of myself and Satu, we have Pekka Pulkkinen leading this integrated growth operations with much more investment now into the overall growth operations. We have Teemu Uusitalo as our Chief Product Officer leading the product strategy of our portfolio across all products and also leading our product management and product support functions. We have Thomas Raehalme, who is our Chief Technology Officer leading our product development activities and our R&D in the technology side. We have our Chief People Officer, Helena Marjokorpi, who is leading our, of course, our people, our culture, our support for the development of our own people in the operating model.

We have one position open at the moment as our Chief Strategy Officer, which is due to be open for recruitment to complement our leadership team in terms of helping us to have a continuous strategy process, look into our inorganic growth opportunities, start facilitating our M&A funnel, and also to help us to find new areas of growth and value creation from our customer industries. Also, alongside the new operating model, we have now seven critical strategy execution streams that we are aligning ourselves into. It is focused on the growth acceleration, which means how we are able to turn our new growth operations into being more effective in driving the organic growth both from a new sales and cross-sales perspective. We have an internationalization execution stream where I have put two of our senior leaders to lead our internationalization strategy.

Our former documentation business unit leader, Mikko Järvi, and our Bauhub CEO, Teet Parts, will be leading our internationalization activities. By the summertime, we should be having more clarity of our internationalization direction and playbook, and we can start to execute those accordingly. We have the execution stream of the unified platform experience where we are starting to build more and more capabilities where our platform is working seamlessly across the customers' workflows and drive synergies from using multiple technologies in our customers' operations. In the Nordic construction forum, we provided a nice data point around the correlation between the use of our portfolio more broadly and the customers' ability to drive growth in their business.

We are truly confident that the use of technology from our portfolio more broadly allows the customers to operate more effectively, drive more growth, and also be more productive and profitable. Also, in terms of our target operating model, there are a lot of things that we need to do from an administrative perspective and from our legal entity structure perspective. There we are simplifying our company structures. We are doing mergers of the subsidiaries, and we are, of course, driving the process development and the application landscape of our internal operations.

We are also driving a workstream around our equity story and our incentive structure so that when we are looking at the target by 2030, we are able to make sure that our incentives and our proposition to our investors are aligned and we can make sure that we are all driving towards the same outcome and same goal.

We also, through this one Admicom operating model, have quite a lot of work to be done on the culture side, how we're able to start culturally being more aligned in our growth operations, platform operations, and operate as one team. There we have a lot of work to build the winning culture, build the winning teams, and foster and develop our talent as we move forward as well. Like said in the last execution stream, we're looking into the accounting service, how that can contribute more value to our customers in the future and help us to kind of drive that target of 25% better productivity for the ones who are using our platforms and services more broadly. What is the role of the accounting services in that in the future?

Through this, we're driving our execution towards the target state of 2030 and towards our vision. Okay, this was the summary from my side, the key customer cases, a little bit of insights into our strategy execution after I joined the company. Now let's move into the Q1 financials, and I'll hand it over to Satu.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Thank you, Simo. Let's first start with the market environment. As our report header also says, the market continued to be challenging in the first quarter. Even though the revenues in the industry continue to trend to the right direction, the volumes are very low and the improvement in the market is very slow. Of course, this is how we expected the market to be, at least in the first half of this year.

What was a little bit surprising for us in the first quarter was that we saw a very significant increase in insolvency-related churn in our customer base compared to Q1 of last year. Regardless of this, the overall sentiment is improving. We are hearing more and more confidence in the discussions that we have with our customers. Obviously now the latest news about the US tariff policy is creating some new uncertainty in the market. The tariffs do not have a direct impact on our business as such, but obviously we are carefully monitoring the news and assessing the potential indirect impacts that it may have. Admicom's performance in this market environment has been good throughout the downturn, but there are some obvious impacts on us as well. On top of the insolvency-related churn, we are also seeing prolonged sales cycles and downsell due to workforce reductions, for example.

The pricing of our ERP solution and also our accounting services are based on our customers' revenues. With the revenues in the industry declining, our fees are also negatively impacted for those customers who are facing a decline in their business. We also have this annual adjustment fee mechanism in our ERP and accounting side, which means in short that five months after the customer's financial year ends, we review the actual revenue of the customer against the estimated revenue that we have based our billing on. In case the actual revenue is higher than the estimated, we then are able to charge the customer an annual adjustment fee. In case the actual revenue is lower than the estimate, we credit the customer to a certain minimum level.

In this market environment, the adjustment fee component is also impacted, and we have reflected this also in our full year guidance. We have estimated that this year the amount of adjustment fees that we will be able to charge will be approximately EUR 700,000 when they were almost EUR 1.5 million in 2024. In the first quarter, we were quite satisfied with our sales performance. The bookings increased by 10% from Q1 of 2024. March was especially strong in sales, and we were really happy to end the quarter with that kind of a sales result. As Simo already mentioned, also the logos developed positively, but where we are still seeing a little bit of difficulties is the average deal size, which is not quite where we would like it to be. This basically means that the bigger deals are still fairly difficult to close.

We have discussed quite a bit about our quite vast cross-sales opportunity that we have with our existing customer base. In the first quarter, we had a couple of percentage points increase in the number of customers who are using more than one of our products. We believe that the changes that we are now making in our organization, and especially in the growth operations, we can further speed up the cross-sales going forward. As mentioned a couple of times already, the insolvency-related churn was really high in the first quarter. Compared to Q1 of 2024, we had actually 70% more churn due to insolvencies. That was the main driver for our annual recurring revenue to remain flat compared to the end of 2024 and also our rolling 12-month churn rate increasing. The profitability was in line with our plans.

In the second quarter, we continue the work to allocate our existing resources more effectively according to the new operating model and in order to support our strategy execution. ARR growth was 5.5% compared to Q1 of 2024, but as said, it was basically flat compared to the previous year-end. The high insolvency-related churn is the biggest driver for us missing our targets for ARR growth. With revenue and recurring revenue growth, we performed pretty much according to our plans. The reason for that is that the highest spike in churn realized in March, and therefore it had a larger impact on ARR than on revenue. Adjusted EBITDA was 25.3% , and that is in line with our plans.

Throughout 2024, we were still in our focus for growth investment phase, which means that the investments that we made in that time are now for the first time fully included in our cost base. The share of recurring revenue of total revenue continued to increase by one percentage point. Now that we have taken the decision to wind down the external software development services, we are seeing this number further declining from a very high level it has already been in the past. In our key financials, I guess the most attention now goes to the profitability level, so let's discuss that a bit. As a reminder, we have a very high fluctuation between the quarters. Q1 and Q4 are typically the lowest in terms of EBITDA, and second and third quarter are the highest.

During second and third quarters, we invoice the majority of the annual adjustment fees, and also during the summer months, the payroll expenses are typically lower due to the holiday season. Compared to Q1 2024, our adjusted EBITDA declined by approximately 5%, and the main driver for that is the investment phase that lasted throughout 2024. The majority of the investments during that time we have made in sales, product development, and product management. At the moment, we are in the middle of the reorganization, and maybe the one single data point that best describes the magnitude of the change that we are doing is the fact that in this organizational change, over 20% of our employees are reallocating inside Admicom, or their roles are being redefined so that their efforts can be best utilized in supporting our accelerated growth strategy or portfolio strategy.

Simo just explained the seven key streams of our strategy execution, and with these organizational changes, we are ensuring that we have enough bandwidth, enough resources, enough expertise around all of these streams. After the changes, we will be better suited for our accelerating growth phase and will have also the capability to drive our profitability up again. The headcount increase in the first quarter is quite high if you take that number without any explanation. It is good to understand that in this headcount increase, we have a few new roles, like the Chief Product Officer, for example, but actually the majority of it relates to the re-resourcing of sales. We said it already in the basis of our 2025 financial guidance that we had some attrition earlier in 2024, and we have now been able to gap those resource declines only in the beginning of 2025.

We have had some recruitments in our accounting unit, and these are mainly to replace for longer absences. Actually, the FTE for our accounting has decreased a bit, even though the headcount has increased. Maybe that gives a little bit more background on the headcount trend. Next, we have the ARR trend here, which, as said, now has a small decline from the previous quarter. If we go forward to the ARR bridge, you can see the high churn for one quarter compared to previous years. The good progress that we have made in cross-sales is showing in the upsell figure, and this quarter the downsell was mainly caused by our ERP and accounting customers who have continued to somewhat update their contracts to reflect the lower revenue expectations that they have for this year.

Our ERP customers are also updating their revenue expectations upwards, and actually the net impact for ERP for downsell and upsell was slightly positive in the first quarter. Finally, if we take a short recap on our financial guidance for 2025, this year we expect our ARR to grow by 8-14%, and the wide range that we have for our ARR expectation relates to the uncertainty that we have with the market improvement and especially the pace of it. Total revenue growth is expected to be within 6-11%, and in revenue we will have a positive inorganic impact from the Bauhub acquisition that we made in December, but for ARR the growth is purely organic as Bauhub was already included in our ARR calculations at the end of 2024. What hinders our ARR and revenue growth rates this year?

Obviously the market, but also the annual adjustment fees are expected to decline by approximately EUR 700,000, and also we expect about EUR 500,000 decline in revenue due to the decision to wind down the external software development services that we have had since the ITO acquisition in 2021. The adjustment fees and also the decline in external software development services revenue, they also have a direct impact on our EBITDA, which we guide to be within 31-36%, and our plans to protect the profitability this year are especially related to the decision to reallocate our existing resources, and also we are continuing to manage our cost base. I think that's all that we had for the presentation section of this webcast, so maybe now we move to the Q&A.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Yes, and it's good to see that we have questions coming in, so I will be also somewhat moderating the questions. First of all, there's a comment regarding the trading statements and their visibility, so we'll look into that comment in our investor relations. Let's start with the questions. Atte Riikola from Inderes is asking that how satisfied are you with the progress of the Bauhub integration so far, and what have been the experiences of the first Finnish customers with the product? I can take that. First of all, I'm very, very satisfied with the integration project that we conducted with the Bauhub team and integrating that into our portfolio. We were able to do the market launch for Bauhub one month early against our own original plans.

We have been able to start the customer acquisition, so we have first customers onboarding, and they are starting to use the platform. If I put it this way, we have received proactive wishes to be customer references for the platform because of the high level of satisfaction with the platform use and the user experience and what capabilities it provides. I think overall in Finland there is a typical way of building the construction project so that the one commissioning the project provides certain tools for project documentation and so on. Overall in the market there is a sentiment that this is not probably the best approach, and these platforms that the commissioners are providing are not the best for enabling the most effective project collaboration and information sharing.

There is a bit of work to be done in defining the optimal project collaboration methods and how we are able to take the project collaboration away from emails and away from the telephone calls into a single cloud-based platform. This is what has happened in Estonia, and this is what we are driving in Finland as well. The first feedback from the customers has been extremely positive, and also the usability of the platform and the user experience, like I highlighted in the beginning, it has been very, very good, and we believe that through that we can also drive a lot of product-related growth momentum. Another question from Atte is related to our personnel costs and the number of employees increased in Q1 compared to Q4.

Excluding Bauhub, how have you been increasing your recruitments, and what do we believe that the personnel expense level will be in the coming quarters? Maybe Satu, if you can just elude on this a little bit. Also, there is another question related to this from Daniel Lepistö, sorry, from Jukka-Pekka Pesonen, that how descriptive is the Q1 as a run rate proxy of our overall cost level? A little bit the same question with different words.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

I can take this one, and I believe I pretty much answered the question when going through the financials already. As said, we have had some additional positions, maybe a handful, three to five positions in the first quarter are actually new. All the remaining are pretty much replacements for recruitments that we tried to already do in 2024 or replacements for the accounting services.

In our personnel cost base, it's good to remember that in Q1 we have the full personnel cost from Bauhub, whereas in Q4 we had only half a month. That's one explanation for the personnel costs increasing faster than the headcount. We are very careful in our prioritizing our recruitments this year. We have identified some key roles that we need to fill, but at the same time we have revisited the recruitment plans that we had in our original short-term plan. I don't see that we would have a significant increase in the personnel costs going forward. I guess as a run rate, Q1 is a pretty good starting point, and obviously then there's a big fluctuation with the holidays.

Maybe one thing to also remember is that in December, the timing of Christmas was very positive from the employee perspective, so we had very long holidays also in December, which was a little bit decreasing the personnel cost of the last quarter.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Yes. There is also a question from Atte related to the Business Finland funding and how we are expecting to recognize this in this incoming year.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Yeah. Maybe I take this one as well. There is a little bit of a we still have some internal organizing to do around this project. The reorganization and the operating model changes have a little bit delayed our plans to actually fully kick off the project. Obviously, many streams are already ongoing. In Q1, we have split the funding between P&L and balance sheet. We have an AI-related project that we have already been capitalizing.

Partially, the recognition of the Business Finland funding will go netting or offsetting the balance sheet figure, and partially we are recognizing it as income in our P&L. In the first quarter, there was only, like, I think, EUR 20,000 recognized in the P&L, so a very insignificant amount. We said when we announced the funding and the project, we said it very clearly that we do not expect this to have an impact on our financial guidance. We will be splitting it between balance sheet and P&L, but at the moment we do not expect it to impact our profitability significantly.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Great. There is a question from Daniel Lepistö from Danske that can you elaborate the comment on average invoicing being below average for the new customers, and does this mean that the project management solution deals are smaller than usually or smaller than in comparison to Ultima and ERP deals? I could comment this briefly so that we have seen a number of cross-sell opportunities to come in, and typically when the customers are adding new project management capabilities to their portfolio, the individual transactions or the bookings are relatively small compared to customers who are making a strategic decision to move all of their ERP and accounting services to us. At the moment, the average deal size is trending a little bit lower than our normal run rate, but we do have also larger opportunities in the pipeline.

In Q1, we just saw a little bit of a lower average deal size than compared to a normal quarter, but this is not a trend that we are expecting to continue for a long time. We are also putting a lot of emphasis in, especially new sales, that we are able to win and make bookings of these larger ERP accounting services and multiple product deals at once where we're aiming towards having a more significant MRR per deal moving forward. In Q1, we did see that the average deal sizes were a little bit lower than our normal run rate. There are a few questions about the growth expectations, especially regarding the ARR growth. How are we expecting most of the growth to happen, and what is our expectation on the timing?

How confident are we that the growth will accelerate during the year? Maybe Satu, you can quickly comment on that part.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Yeah. As said in the basis of our guidance, we expect the market improvement to be towards the end of the year. With that, I think it's also our estimation that the ARR growth will accelerate towards the end of the year. I think what we are still in progress of planning is the, for example, timing of price hikes that we will do this year. We have started to investigate the whole pricing model for Ultima and accounting, for example. Timing of those decisions will probably impact also the ARR growth timing, but we will share more when we have more concrete plans on those.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Daniel is also asking regarding the high number of insolvencies and how is our current visibility on higher risk accounts and how surprising was the insolvency churn in Q1 from our point of view, and what are we expecting to have for the rest of the year or Q2. Maybe just as a generic comment, what I can tell is that even though, like Satu showed, we have some positive plus marks in the numbers of volumes, the changes are very, very small, and the market condition remains as a very challenging one for our customers. There will be still a high number of insolvencies during the beginning of the year. We already know that it will be significant in our customer base, and we do believe that the trend should be starting to improve towards the second year half.

We are monitoring more higher risk customers and some indications of the high risk accounts, but the number of insolvencies still occurring was higher than we anticipated in our original 25-year planning. Satu, do you have to add on that?

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Not much. Maybe to comment on the visibility of higher risk accounts and the churn prevention in general, the reorganization that we are doing is targeted also for that. We believe that especially with the voluntary churn, there is still more that we can do in order to have a more positive trend on that. We already saw a small decline in the voluntary, so the non-insolvency related churn in Q1 compared to Q1 of 2024, but I believe that with our own actions we can impact that. I think the insolvency part is more difficult.

As Simo said, we expect it to continue relatively high, at least for the first half of the year.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

There is a question from Emil from Carnegie: are you gathering feedback from—

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

at least I can't hear you.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Can you hear me now? I at least don't have a mute on.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Yes, your voice suddenly—okay, it was okay . Apparently, it's only me then. Go ahead.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Okay there is a question regarding the churn, and are we gathering feedback from customers who are leaving Admicom, and how confident are we that churn is purely insolvency related? We do make a quite comprehensive clarification of the churn and the reasoning for the churn, and we do know what are related to insolvencies and what are related to purely voluntary reasons for that.

Like Satu mentioned, we did see a declining trend in the voluntary churn, which is a good sign. We're not yet at the level what we're aiming towards in the voluntary churn, but the trend is towards the right direction, and the insolvency-related churn was significantly higher than we anticipated in the planning of the year. Also, there's a question of, is there a need to strengthen the organization further going forward? Currently, most of our planning with the new operating model and the change in our, let's say, in the alignment of the resources is mostly around shifting the focus of our people.

Like Satu mentioned, there are a few critical roles that we're still looking into fulfilling, but this is mostly around getting organized around the strategy and how we're able to get the most return on the investments that we have been making during the last year as an example. It is more about making sure that we have the right roles and responsibilities, the right targets for the people, and they're really impacting into our results in the right way. Like mentioned, the reallocation of our people and resources has been quite significant, so that more than a fifth of our employees are now shifting to the new operating model role, and we believe that through that role, they're better positioned to help us to develop our business moving forward. Also, there is a question related specifically to the JM account.

There will be a more comprehensive description of the customer case coming out, so more details to follow. Currently they're using our project management capabilities, but like I said, more detailed description of that case is in the making. Atte asking that, do we still believe that over 40% EBITDA margin level target is achievable in the long run? I do believe that. I believe that the investments that we have been making are completely investments that are in our own hands to decide upon and how to allocate those investments. If we would have to make a very, let's say, a streamlined operating model, we would be able to pivot our profitability levels as well, but we want to enable us to get to that high growth momentum.

This is the reason why we want to make investments into our growth operations, into our product management, and into our product development so that we're able to respond to the higher growth expectations. Also, our cost base is by far from being linear to our top line. As we start to see the growth coming in from our growth operations and through the sales and customer acquisition, we do see that the growth leverage, the profitability leverage is very positive through the growth. We do believe that the margin levels are still achievable in the long run, and this is what we're also planning into our mid-range plans, that how we're able to get the formula for enabling us to get to that target level. Satu, anything from you you would like to add to that?

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

No, I think you pretty much covered it all. I'm also confident that we will be able to reach that level in the long run.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Emil is asking about our, let's say, customer segmentation, and are we expecting to expand across the Nordics with large customers such as JM, NRC Group, and are they only customers in Finland? No, they are also customers across their countries where they operate. Yes, our plan is to expand internationally also with the help of our customers' international operations. Also as part of the internationalization planning, we're looking into our market entry strategies in terms of organic growth, in terms of looking into inorganic opportunities, but also in looking into different kinds of partnerships that we can use for accelerating our customer access and our brand recognition as well. More information about the internationalization strategies in our coming earnings calls.

Like mentioned, let's see what we have here. Hi Ricard, I have a question regarding the upsell new sale. On an annual basis, there is a great step up from 2024. Any color here in terms of traction in the market and what is driving this? Also, comment that there is also a step up on churn downsell on an annual basis. Is there a Q1 effect here or how will this develop from here? That will be key here on total level in terms of the growth ambition. Yeah, we definitely see that there is a positive traction in our upsell and cross-sell opportunities. We have been mentioning our strategic aim of increasing our product penetration in our existing customers, and this is one part of the growth strategy that we're now implementing.

We will have more people responsible for cross-sell with the existing customer base. We will expect to see more momentum in that one. We will also have more people who are focused in driving new customer acquisition and new sales. We will have a more balanced approach in driving both momentums. This is one of the main reasons for us to put more resource allocation into our growth operations so that we have more people who are doing the so-called account management work of the existing customers, making sure that they are satisfied and they are growing the use of our products across the platform. We will also have more people responsible for new sales and driving in positive growth from that as well.

Yes, we are expecting to see higher growth rates in terms of our upsell and cross-sell, but it will not happen by the cost of somehow lowering the focus into new sales. We are driving both of these as a momentum moving forward. Of course, churn and downsell is a lot driven by insolvencies, and the trend for our, let's say, the monitoring of the voluntary churn is very, very, I would say, critical point for our success. We are driving this also forward by having more people allocated to customer experience, where the main target for them is to mitigate churn and to drive positive NRR across our portfolio.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Yes, and maybe to add a little bit on your question about the Q1 effect, for example, or especially with the ERP solution, it is quite typical to take a new ERP solution into use in January. That also means that those customers who have for some reason decided to leave us, their invoicing ends in January, and that also impacts the churn rate. There is a Q1 effect also in the numbers.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Yeah. Let's take a final question here. We're starting to be at the top of the hour, and great to see many questions coming in. What is our confidence that the market will recover towards the end of the year? I would say so that we do have the statistics and the trend that is supporting this to happen, like Satu showed, but I have now met with tens of customers across Finland, and all of the customers are kind of like carefully being positive about the trend starting to be visible. The number of tenders coming in, number of projects that they're estimating at the moment, number of projects that have been postponed or delayed are starting to get active again.

There are a number of indicators that are showing that the recovery is starting to happen, but we do repeat still the same message as we have been repeating before that what will be the pace of change in the volumes and the pace of change in, for example, demand in the residential buildings and apartments is still yet to be validated and seen how quickly this will start to recover. The confidence level is coming through the customer comments and through the trend that we're seeing in the volumes. Great. Thank you very much for participating. I hope this was a very, let's say, open and transparent view of our performance after Q1. Like I have said before, joining the Admicom team, let's say, spending more time together with the team and the customers is still giving me a fairly good feeling of optimism.

There is still a lot that we need to see from a market recovery perspective to see the growth starting to really materialize for our customers, and through that, we see that there's a positive opportunity for us as well. Mostly, we're now focusing on the things where we can make a difference, and this is where we can look into our effective resource allocation, making sure that our platform is meeting the customer's expectations and having a great user experience, and how we can help our customers to build better to drive the higher productivity is where we see that the long-term success of Admicom will come. Thank you for this, and I'll see you then latest in the Q2 info, but from my and Satu's behalf, thanks for joining in and listening to the webcast. Thank you.

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