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Earnings Call: Q2 2025

Jul 8, 2025

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Welcome everyone to Admicom's Q2 interim report webcast. My name is Simo Leisti, I'm the Group CEO of Admicom and I'm here with Satu Helamo, our Group CFO. Today we're going to look into our Q2 report and in the agenda I will start with a couple of customer cases and I will also speak about our recent AI development. In the beginning you saw our most recent video of our Bauhub product, which we're super proud of. We will speak about our customer cases also related to Bauhub. I will also give you a little bit of update on how we progressed with our strategy execution during Q2. Satu will take us through our Q2 financials and also she will help us to understand a little bit the dynamics of the rest of the year and our outlook for the remaining of the year. Let's start with the customers.

We have had a fairly good uptake in the new customer or new sales and customer acquisition. We got plenty of new customers and here are some of the highlighted customer cases. First of all, we have gotten some new Ultima customers and typically the customers are looking for more integrated solution to manage their construction business, easing the administrative burden and help them to understand better the data and the financial status of their business to make better decisions and build better. As mentioned, we also have had a good uptake in Bauhub customers. We have had recently, for example, Respect Project and Respect Talotec onboarding on Bauhub platform. What is specific about this customer is that they're also users of Vision, Tempo, and Ultima. More and more customers are relying on multiple of Admicom's products to help them to be more productive.

We also have new customers who we have acquired with not only one product but from the start relying on multiple ones. Sacopartio Oy, a family-run company who wanted to take more digital capabilities to help them to grow faster and run their business more efficient, onboarded on Ultima and Quantima platforms. We have had many AI functionalities in customer pilots and we are co-creating those together with our customers. I thought it might be interesting for this webcast to dive deeper into a few use cases that we have been developing. We have been mostly focusing on helping our customers to build better and run their construction site operations more effectively by using AI. The use cases we have been piloting with 10 customers in Finland are around the construction site operations.

What we have been building is an AI chat interface to communicate with multiple of our products to help them maintain and update the information, automate the reporting, and communication of the status in the construction site. For many construction site related activities, there are many different kinds of reporting requirements to the residents of the buildings, to the owners of the buildings, and so forth. We have been helping to automate the reporting of the status of the project. This means that the chat interface is automatically collecting information both from the schedules and the documents of the project to help them compile automatic reports and status of the project. One other important topic is the construction business is moving from project-based business to a process-based business.

This means that also the takt within which the construction sites are being managed is moving from a week or day schedules to four-hour or even hour takt schedules. It is paramount to update the information from the construction sites all the time in a real-time manner. We have been helping the construction site managers to update, for example, the readiness or completion status of the construction site by using the chat interface and in the future also by using just the voice interface. You are able to communicate with the chat interface saying that, hey, completion status of this particular process state is now complete, and the chat interface automatically updates the scheduling tool in the background. We have been helping our customers to gain access to multiple different regulatory, compliance, or safety instructions.

At the sites, you need to have many kinds of answers to questions related to safety requirements or other regulations. This has also been helpful to our customers to access information in real time from the construction sites with a very easy interface of using the chat AI. We have now more AI features in piloting. In Q3, we will be extending the pilot to 15 construction companies. We are starting to commercialize these products into our production products. We are able to bring them to all of our customers during the autumn. We are super excited with the development of the AI. Also, in parallel, we have been running the research process so that we are all the time gaining more understanding of what are the problems worth solving for the construction companies to be able to be more productive in the future. More to come during the year.

I will just give you a quick reminder of our strategy and then also a few highlights in how we have been progressing with the strategy execution. Our vision stays the same. We want to be the first choice of partner in the European construction software ecosystem. Our mission is to help our customers to be more productive than their peers by bringing them the comprehensive AI enabled platform, delivering them a superior customer experience, and also making sure that our own employees are feeling the good employee experience. We want to be present in the numerous markets in the European construction software markets, and we want to be the best workplace for the people who love construction and want to help the construction companies to be more productive with the digital capabilities. We want to help our customers to build better together with them.

We want to aspire the EUR 100 million ARR by year 2030. Also, during this year we will be giving more details around the plan of EUR 100 million, how we will break that down to different execution priorities, and how to make it happen. We have now ramped up the operating model that we launched in March, and we are now fully in function with this operating model. This gives us also the platform that we can use for accelerated growth. This gives us more clarity around how we lead the business, how we run the business. This gives us more abilities to leverage our full product portfolio in the platform strategy that we're now building in the future. This gives us more focus on the accounting service that we have within the business.

This gives us more focus into our internal operations through the business enablement, the functions, meaning the finance and IT and other functions, how to support the business moving forward. This is what we call the platform for international expansion that we can then use in the coming years and also to run the business. We have now been able to get the team fully in place. We have a new member of the leadership team joining us in September. I'm very, very excited to give you a little bit more introduction to Henna Kotilainen who will be joining us in September as our Chief Strategy Officer. Henna is joining us from KONE where she has been leading some of the KONE transformation and strategy planning and execution.

She has a very robust background, both from being in an in-house role of strategy planning and execution, but also looking at the strategies from a consulting perspective. She will be instrumental in driving forward our strategy in our international expansion and also to accelerate our inorganic growth opportunities moving forward. We're super excited to have her in the team and starting in September. A few words about our strategy execution. We have been mentioning in our last webcast that we have been dividing our strategy execution into seven different execution streams and I will give you just a few highlights of what we have been doing in Q2 to make this strategy real.

First of all, in our growth acceleration we have been now assigning territories to our salespeople so that we have approximately half of our salespeople focusing on new sales, new customer prospects, and half of our salesforce is focusing on helping our customers to utilize our platforms and to also look into the cross-selling opportunities. We have customer success and account managers looking into our existing customer base and we have now the full Finland market territory split into the new customer, new sales roles, and these account management roles. We have a very good coverage of the market and ability to start accelerating the Finnish market growth. We have also established new teams to Admicom.

We have a group-wide customer experience team who have now ramped up and their responsibility is to make sure that the communication flow from us and the information about the usage of the platform is being also utilized in ensuring that our customers are getting the benefits and the value from using the products that they are currently using to make sure that their productivity and their value from the products is being delivered. Also, we have marketing fully ramped up and delivering great results. You saw the video in the beginning. I'm very proud of that Bauhub video. We have renewed our web pages so that you can see and explore our portfolio and the products and more customer references much more easily than before. In the internationalization, we have been exploring a few markets in more detail.

We have been conducting customer interviews to understand the dynamics of the market, and we have been learning that each market is very different from each other. We're very, I would say, very humble and very, I would say, planned in our execution of the internationalization. No decision has been made in broader market expansion. We're planning and doing the groundwork to be able to set ourselves in a position where we can truly start to accelerate the international growth also through different kinds of organic growth activities. Of course, Henna now joining us as the Chief Strategy Officer, she will be responsible for these activities moving forward and helping us to create the strategy and internationalization playbook. Moving forward, the unified platform experience has been moving forward as well. In our interim report, we explained about the invoicing chains in the Ultima and accounting services platform and business.

Satu will be giving you a little bit more color to what that means in practice to our customers and to our business. We have been starting to look into a more customer-centric view into our platform development. We have been exploring the customer workflows and what are the problems we're solving through the customer lens that we can then reflect to our platform strategy moving forward. It means looking at capabilities that we have today, which we need to bring more strongly to our customers, and looking at the capabilities that we need to augment and complement into our portfolio as well. We also started an interesting pilot with our customers where we take customers who are not using digital capabilities today, and we will be giving them all of Admicom products, and we help them to get into the best practices of building better.

We are then measuring the productivity improvements that we are able to get through helping the customer to onboard into digital construction. More information about that pilot in the future during this year as well. Also, of course, the extensive AI development is part of this unified platform experience execution stream. In our target operating model, we are well on track with our company mergers. We are merging our subsidiaries in Finland into one entity, which will help us to be more simple in our operating model, and also it will improve our customer experience as well. In the equity story and incentives, we have been renewing our short term incentive program to reflect better our targets and strategy execution to key employee short term incentives. In the culture, we have done a lot of work in the culture side.

We have been defining target culture for Admicom where we are one Admicom all working together. We have been looking into our role framework, what roles and responsibilities and different kinds of career development opportunities we can provide within Admicom. We have also been looking into our leadership culture as well. In the accounting service of the future, we have been appointing new leader to our accounting service. Katariina Lähdesniemi is now leading our accounting unit and we have also started to look into different kinds of development activities to improve the customer experience and help the accounting service to be more automated, to be more efficient and also to work closely together with our customers in helping them to build better. Of course, all execution must lead into results. This is a great segue to our Q2 financials. Satu, over to you.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Thanks, Simo. Throughout this year, we have been seeing the construction industry market trending in the right direction, but the pace of the market recovery is extremely slow. The latest statistics show that in May, the construction industry revenues in Finland grew by 0.3%, and the average growth in the first five months of 2025 is about 2%. When we consider how low the comparable figure to these growth rates is, we can barely talk about growth with these numbers. If you think about the positive impacts that the market growth will bring to Admicom, we need much higher growth figures in order to start actually realizing those positive impacts. One interesting statistic from a couple of weeks ago was the Confederation of Finnish Industries Business Confidence study.

In that study, it showed that the Finnish construction sector ranked the lowest of all EU countries, and the confidence had gone downwards a little bit from the previous study. We are not yet waiting for the market improvement to start pulling our business. Instead, we are focusing on what we can do. All our focus is currently in the actions that are in our own hands. For example, the billing model change related to Ultima and accounting is one of those actions, and we are trying to do the best possible performance in this very tough market situation. One clear highlight from our Q2 is that we have been progressing very well with the billing model change related to Ultima and accounting. We will be gradually phasing out from the annual adjustment fees, and we will be replacing that with a rolling revenue-based billing model.

I will come back to that change later when we talk about our guidance and especially the themes affecting our guidance. This year, we have made some modifications and clarification to those themes. This year, however, we are still facing annual adjustment fees, so we are invoicing them as previously. Once a year, we do this adjustment fee calculation for all our Ultima and accounting customers, and five months after their financial year has ended, we invoice the annual adjustment fee based on their actual revenue. As the construction sector revenues have been declining and the revenues in our customer base have been declining, the decline in annual adjustment fees now has a negative impact in our growth this year. In the second quarter, about EUR 400,000 less adjustment fees than in the same quarter last year.

The operating model and the organizational changes that Simo already went through, they have affected our sales performance. In the second quarter our sales teams delivered about 4% higher sales bookings than a year ago. It's growth, but it's less than what we were targeting for. We have seen some slowness caused by the organizational changes, and obviously the tough market has not helped either in the sales performance. For the first time, we have over 20% of our customers using more than one Admicom product, and this is a really important KPI for us. We follow it on a regular basis. Our productivity promise to our customers is based on the assumptions that customers are using digital tools more widely. More than one of our products should be in use for them to realize the +25% productivity target.

We are seeing currently a steady growth in the product penetration rate. It's not fast yet, but with the new organization and with people dedicated to the current customer sales, so upsell and cross-selling, we expect to see this KPI improving faster in the future. In the second quarter, we had a fairly decent increase in the customer amount, so the net new logos increase was almost triple compared to Q1. However, the deal sizes for these new customers are fairly low, and when compared to the customers who are churning us, the new customers are bringing less monthly revenue than the churned ones. This is a factor that is also impacting our growth rate. In the first quarter, we reported a huge number of insolvency-related churn, so 70% more than a year ago. In the second quarter, the insolvency-related churn was a lot less.

However, there were other reasons for churn in the second quarter, and our rolling or the last 12 month churn rate remained at Q1 level. Finally, profitability: 32% adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter. That was in line with our own plans, so we landed at the targeted level. Obviously, the annual adjustment fees, when they melt down from the top line, have a direct impact also on profitability. The impact of the declining annual adjustment fees was about 2.4 percentage points in growth. We had an impact on the annual adjustment fees. The ARR growth was impacted about 2.3%, and recurring revenue and revenue growth were impacted a little bit more. If you look at the organic growth in ARR, we had about 1% organic growth, but in recurring revenue and revenue growth, the organic growth was negative this quarter.

In the adjusted EBITDA we have, and also in the total revenue growth we also have the effect from the decision that we made in Q4 last year to start ramping down the external software services business. That has impacted our EBITDA by about 1%. If you exclude the sort of the one-off impact of annual adjustment fees and the external software services revenue, our adjusted EBITDA would have been about 35.4%. The decline in profitability is related to the investment phase that the company was in throughout 2024. Here you have some more granularity to our Q2 financials. One thing that I always want to remind our investors about is the fluctuation between quarters. If you look at the adjusted EBITDA, we have almost 32% higher profitability in the second quarter compared to the first quarter. This relates to two factors.

One is the annual adjustment fees, which we recognize as revenue when they are invoiced, and the majority of those were invoiced now in the second quarter. On top of that, we have the holiday season. It has started in Finland, so that has a positive impact on the personnel expenses in EBIT. Our EBIT decline is about EUR 200,000 higher than the decline in EBITDA. That relates to the fact that we are not an IFRS company, so we recognize amortization to our goodwill, which has been generated in the past company acquisitions. In Q4 we acquired Bauhub, and for that reason we have about EUR 150,000 more goodwill amortizations on a quarterly basis. In the first quarter we had quite high increase in the headcount. Now if you look at the second quarter number, we have come down by 12 employees.

There are various reasons, so it's a little bit like multiple reasons here and there. One reason for the change is that in Q1 we had some overlaps with people who were leaving, about to leave the company, and people who had been recruited to replace those people. This is a good development for us. We have 12 people less in the headcount. When we released our Q1 results, we were explaining that the personnel expense into the future should not be calculated with that high increase in the employee count. In ARR we are currently at the same level as we were in Q4. Now the majority of the negative impact from the adjustment fees is in, and our growth expectations this year are towards the end of the year. In the second half we have some price increases for some of our products taking place.

Now on top of that, we have the billing model change, which we will start rolling out in Q4. Quarter to quarter, our ARR grew by 0.2%, and the negative impact from the adjustment fees on quarterly growth was -1 percentage point. In our ARR bridge, I would draw attention to the downsell figure. If you look at the downsell for the first half of this year, it's EUR 1.8 million compared to EUR 2.7 million for full year last year. If we split EUR 1.8 million between the first two quarters, two-thirds of the downsell came in the first quarter and one-third in the second quarter. The biggest driver for the downsell has been the contract updates for our Ultima and accounting customers.

As the customers have made new estimates of how their revenues will develop this year, they have updated their contracts to reflect the new estimated revenue, and we expect to see a lot less of those going into the second half because of the billing model change and the fact that we will start looking at the historical revenue rather than the customers' forecasted revenue. Finally, our financial outlook. In today's release, we maintained the financial guidance which we issued in January in relation to our Q4 results, but we have adjusted and modified the themes affecting growth a little bit. First of all, our original estimate about the annual adjustment fees this year was EUR 700,000, and based on our latest forecasts, we expect them to be slightly higher, somewhere between EUR 800,000 and EUR 1 million.

Our quite wide range in ARR growth guidance was originally based on the uncertainty related to the market recovery and the speed of the market recovery after the first half of the year. From what we see from the statistics and economists' estimates, we no longer expect the market to recover fast enough so that it would help us in the growth this year. Instead, we are very excited that we can today inform and announce the Ultima billing model change because that will be a factor that will boost our revenue from the last quarter onwards. The amount of how much it will impact our ARR depends on how fast we can roll out the new model to our customer base. We are still making plans on that. We have about one-third of customers who will be moving or transitioning into the new model in Q4 at this stage.

Now a little bit more about the billing model change. I think this is something that will be very interesting for our investors and hopefully a very positive, positive thing. In a nutshell, what we are doing: in the current model we have had this one-off large invoicing to our customers almost one and a half years after the revenue has been generated by our customers. Instead of this one-off invoice, we are transitioning our customers to a model where we monitor constantly their rolling 12 months revenue and we change their monthly fee based on the historical rolling revenue. The customer's monthly fees will change on a monthly basis instead of high one-off invoices once a year. When we were assessing the change and planning for the change, we were very clear about the fact that we want to maintain the revenue-based model.

That was something that we did not want to give up. Instead, we wanted to create the model that has less negative impacts and less sort of administrative burden related to it. In the current model, it's heavily post-cyclical. When the construction industry is going up, Admicom's revenue goes up almost a year and a half after the cycle has turned. The same applies when the industry revenues are going down. The annual adjustment fees have also been sort of a surprise element both to our customers and our investors. They are hard to predict. When those invoices have been issued to the customers, it has led to a lot of customer communication, even negotiations in some cases, even when we have a contractual right to do the billing.

If you consider Admicom's product portfolio, this current billing model has been very difficult from the perspective that if we want to bundle our products together, this kind of a billing model is really difficult to bundle with other products and find a suitable billing model for the bundling of the solutions. That has been one key reason why we wanted to move out of it. As said, it's operationally heavy. It also decreases the comparability of Admicom's revenue against our competitors and peers. The objectives for the new billing model: one key objective is that we want Admicom's revenue development to follow the construction industry cycle. If the construction industry is growing, Admicom's revenue is growing and vice versa. We want it to happen almost in real time with the industry.

We also want the billing to be much more predictable to our customers so that they do not face a surprise one-off large invoice at one point during the year. We also want the predictability for our investors. This has been a topic that has been discussed in all our quarterly releases, all our investor meetings throughout the years. It causes sort of an uncertainty also with the investor base that we want to remove. We believe that when the customer's monthly invoices change gradually over time and the changes are small, it also creates much better customer experience than the current model. When we finally have transitioned all our customers into the new model, when the rollout is done, we will have much better comparability against the competitors and peers with the new model. I think that concludes our presentation. Q& A, I guess.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Yes.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Next.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Absolutely. Thank you, Satu. Very clear message and happy to share the renewed billing model for Ultima. You're able to send questions through the webcast link and we have some questions already submitted. Why don't we kick off with some of our dear analysts in the room? Let's head off the questions first from the room.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Research Analyst, Danske Bank

Thank you, Simo. Thank you, Satu. Daniel Lepistö from Danske Bank. Couple of questions maybe on this change to the market commentary in your guidance that the market recovery having no significant improvement to the growth in 2025. Could you dissect this wording a bit in the sense what the significant improvement means for you, especially in terms of new sales growth if we compare to the current low to mid single digit level where you have been in the previous quarters? What is the range here for the significant improvement?

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Yeah, I can take you through that. First of all, reminding our dynamics of Admicom business and the market growth. We have three main monetization models. We have one which is based on number of projects, that is the Bauhub, for example, monetization model. We have a monetization model that is based on number of users, so how many people are doing cost estimations, project scheduling, or other project management or planning related activities. The third one is the revenue related component in Ultima accounting services. Whenever the market is growing, the market is seeing more projects, the customers are having more people working on project planning and project execution, and the positive revenue growth also contributes to our top line growth like Satu mentioned.

We are heavily dependent on the market dynamics and our original expectation was that we're going to see in the first year half a positive turn. We're seeing the bottom of the industry revenue volumes going down and during the second year half we're going to see an accelerated growth in the volumes. Now, based on Rakennusteollisuus RT, who's the construction industry of Finland, based on the Statistics Finland estimations, we're not going to see that high acceleration of the market turn in the second year half. To us it means that we will be seeing double digit positive changes month over month. That's where the real recovery starts to happen. For the past year and a half we saw negative month to month changes of - 10%, - 20% changes.

Before we can start to really, really recover from those very low volumes, we're not going to see a significant change in our business performance. Like I mentioned before, now the rest of the year, end of the year, will be more depending on our ability to execute the things that we have now planned for the remaining of the year. Whatever comes as a positive from the market starting to recover, it's all positive on top. We can't rely on the market change because all the indicators are showing that they're not going to massively or significantly recover. I will touch on one question here already that we had a quote in our release that was saying that the proposal book is kind of like a record high, but the order book is record low. What does that mean?

It means that our customers are starting to see more requests for proposals, requests for new projects to be initiated, but they have not converted into projects yet. There's an expectation, there's a ramp up of certain plans getting reinitiated, but they have not yet converted into projects.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Research Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay, thanks. Maybe if I sort of word this differently. If the new sales growth without the adjustment feature has been something like 3% for the beginning of the year, it's my estimates. Would you consider doubling this in the second half to be significant, or do you expect like double digit growth to be too significant when it comes to the new wording?

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

I would say that we were not completely satisfied with our performance during the first year half, and we are expecting that the new growth team and the setup that we have, that we have focused for new client acquisition and we have focus on the existing customers, will accelerate our new sales for the second year half. We are expecting that to grow, but not to double these levels because of the market conditions, not just supporting that at the moment.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Research Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay, that's clear. Maybe on the commentary on these new customers having lower average billing than the existing ones. Can you remind these reasons? Is it due to the different mix, new customers taking up point solutions, old customers?

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

The same question came from the online audience as well. The reason is mainly because in the construction industry, when a company is going bankrupt or they are discontinuing their operations, typically the entrepreneurs are still wanting to continue in the business. They establish new companies that have a smaller revenue, they have a smaller amount of users. The conversion from a little bit larger customers into new smaller customers is one of the dynamics that is happening at the moment. Also, in the new client acquisition, we are typically serving customers that are at the phase of their business where they are taking on first digital tools. They're replacing the Excel sheets and others with more professional tools, so they're typically a little bit smaller in size. What we have been seeing is that the larger sales opportunities have been quite slow in converting.

There have been a few of those opportunities that we have been able to win. We're expecting to see more larger opportunities convert during the second year half. We have some of those in the pipeline, some which are quite significant in size, some are related to this consolidation of the construction industry. When there's more consolidation happening in the industry, the groups of companies are looking into consolidated unified digital tool landscape. These are the opportunities that we also want to weave and get Admicom as the preferred tool for those larger groups of companies as well. We're expecting the average deal size to improve and increase towards the second year half from the named reasons.

Daniel Lepistö
Equity Research Analyst, Danske Bank

All right, thanks. Final question from my end. Maybe a short clarification regarding the annual adjustment fee guidance uplift. Was this due to the announced billing model change or due to the more precise forecast?

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Yeah, the forecast for the annual adjustment fees changes every month because we get to see how our customers' revenues have actualized in the financial year that is ending. For the second half of the year, we have almost actual revenues known from the customer base whose annual adjustment fees will be billed. We have enough information that we could adjust the estimation up a little bit. There's still uncertainty related to that number, and that's why we have the range from EUR 800,000 to EUR 1 million.

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

Hi, it's Atte Riikola from Inderes. Let's talk a little bit more about the Ultima billing model change. Maybe first, how much have you talked with your customers about this upcoming change or is this now coming as new news for them, and what are the customers saying about the change?

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Yes, we have communicated to the majority of the customers in June. The first batch of customers who will move into the new billing model in Q4 received a letter about the change. On top of that, we have informed other Ultima customers that we have this change coming up and they will be rolled out later. We have received, I think yesterday when I asked, three contacts from the customers related to the change, and two of those have been from customers who received a letter that they will transition later, saying that they would like to transition already. As of today, we believe that the customer base reaction to the change will be positive. Obviously, there will very likely be some customers who don't want this type of a change to happen and maybe some uncertainty related to how it will impact the revenue going forward.

We have a clear communication plan for after holidays so that we will make sure that all our customers know exactly what's happening and how it affects them.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

I would add on to that just a clarification that this is more like a billing cycle change. We're basically staying at the same level of MRR, but it's a different invoicing cycle. There's also a question related to other pricing changes that we have been applying. We have been sending out information about some pricing increases, adjustment or adjacent to the billing change, but I would call them like normal annual updates in the prices. Nothing too dramatic and they are very much in line with our previous price increases that we have been conducting during the previous year.

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

And about the schedule was like one third of the customers now in Q4, and yes, how's the rest?

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

The 1/3 relates to those customers whose annual adjustment fees have been billed already this year. It is part of those customers who will move first. It is the customers who had a fairly low annual adjustment fee in general, so they are much easier to convert. After summer, when we have the annual adjustment fees for almost all the rest of the customers billed by the end of August, we will do an analysis of the next batch and start the rollout for them. Probably all customers will be transitioned within the next 12 months.

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

All right. I'm trying to get the clarity what kind of impact this billing change is going to make to your ARR. Of course there's going to be those price increases. If you look at your statistics still like back behind your ARR guidance now, you need to make like roughly EUR 3 million to get on the lower end of the guidance. How much these price increases and billing model change are going to affect?

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

We obviously have some internal analysis on that already, but there are still a lot of uncertainties related to that. Until we get the more clarified impact calculation made and we have a more detailed plan of how the customers will be transitioning, we will not be disclosing the impacts. The reason why we kept a fairly wide ARR guidance is that it's heavily dependent on the timing. For example, if we get those customers who have had fairly big annual adjustment fees, if we get them in the new model during Q4, it boosts our revenue and ARR this year. If we have to postpone them to the first quarter of next year, then obviously the impact also comes late.

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

About churn, you mentioned that you expect bankruptcies will be higher than expected also in H2. Are you still expecting that the churn level will decrease in H2, or what's your assumption?

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

We haven't disclosed the exact estimation on that, but I don't think that we will see a big decline in the churn rate in the second half because originally when we made our estimations for this year, we were expecting the insolvencies to start sort of ramping down towards the end of the first half. Now we're still seeing quite significant bankruptcies, and also the statistics that are being published from the industry are showing that they are not going down as fast as we were hoping.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

I would say we're not expecting major change to the levels of first year half .

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

Okay. We know that accelerating the growth this year is basically in your own hands and on your own actions. How confident are you that you're able to accelerate the growth in H2?

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

I think we're confident that we have the right plan. We know the actions that we need to execute now. It's more the question of our ability to execute at times at the pace that we have been planning and also make sure that our customers are understanding the change that we're applying because it all involves also our customer base to really understand the benefits and understand the positives of the billing change. For example, there was a question from online that are we expecting some churn uptick because of the billing change? Like I mentioned before, this is more like a billing cycle change, not a dramatic price increase or anything like that.

To many customers this is actually a positive change because there has been quite a lot of unexpected annual adjustment fee related surprises in the current model and now we're able to avoid those in the future. It's more predictable, it's more reflecting their real revenue levels. Also, the administrative cycles, both from the customer side and Admicom side, have been quite significant burden for both. We're able to get rid of that. This sort of a billing model is also much more easy to automate in the future and connect to other products that we want to bring to our customers so that we can get more simplified invoicing model. Also, the company mergers are aiming towards having single entity, single invoice, single contract for the whole portfolio. That's the direction we're going.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

I would say that it's motivating to have the growth in our own hands, so that we are not just sort of sitting and waiting for the market to start helping us.

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

You mentioned increased competition in the report. Is there something special on that comment?

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

I would say that in a situation where the market is tough and you're competing from the same customers, you always get quite aggressive, aggressive tactics in the competition. Some of our smaller peer companies have been using very attractive price points in attracting customers. We have, of course, the benefit of being able to provide a wider portfolio than the smaller players. We also understand that we need to create even more incentives around utilizing our portfolio more broadly. We want to create counter tactics that are helping us to differentiate in the market. Mostly, the increased competition is because we all want to be growth companies. We have a limited market that we are now addressing in terms of new customer sales. We need to have the right tactics to be able to win the deals. That's been the main driver for the increased competition, I would say.

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

All right. Actually, I just figured out one more question about M&A. Are you now scouting new targets, or are you waiting for the new Chief Strategy Officer to start handling over those tasks?

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

I would say that we are continuously monitoring the market. We're having different kinds of Q&As with different kinds of potential target companies. We want to create a more systematic approach for addressing the inorganic growth, both combined to international expansion and inorganic growth. I think those two will be much combined in the future. What I want to highlight is that we're not making any hesitant moves, too big of a risk moves in the market. We want to be ready when time is right, when the price is right, when the synergies are right. We want to act. We want to prepare well. Henna will be instrumental in creating this strategy moving forward. Continuously we are getting different kinds of opportunities approached to us. We're in a great position in the market that we're recognized as one of the potential buyer candidate.

The more systematic approach will be definitely built during the autumn time.

Atte Riikola
Equity Research Analyst, Inderes

All right, thank you.

Simo Leisti
CEO, Admicom

Good. Let's move into questions from online. Most of these questions have been the same as in the audience here, so I think we have been able to tackle those. There's one from Anders. How much of your 2030 ARR do you foresee coming from clients outside of Finland? In the autumn time, we will be providing a much more, let's say, detailed breakdown of the EUR 100 million ARR target. One of the elements for that plan is the international part of the business. Today I can't disclose any specific number on the international client portion of the 2030 target, but we will give more information and details around that during the autumn time. There was a question related to adjustment fee change and the increase, which was already answered by Satu. There was also this question around what are we seeing on the ground level in construction.

This quote related to high offer backlog, but record low order backlog. I could maybe refer to some of the other conversations that I've been having. The market is also, I would say, it's now very differentiated between the companies who are performing excellently and they're growing and the companies who are clearly struggling. This is really the market condition where the strongest will survive and even grow in the current market conditions. We see this consolidation in the market. We both see international investor-backed companies consolidating the market on a Nordic level and we see the Finnish companies being consolidated. I think that's one way for the industry to survive. When they get more consolidation, they get more, let's say, critical mass to the companies to be able to create synergies and grow together with a group of companies.

Also, what we can see is that the customers want to start using more capabilities in the digital space. I believe that the addressable market will start to expand as the companies start to see the value from the digital platform. We hear and see a lot of the customers saying that they want to be part of everything we bring to them in terms of digital capabilities because they see that every single place where better visibility, better situational awareness, better control over the process is helping them to make better decisions. We believe that this product penetration of ours will constantly increase and of course we want to incentivize the customers to be able to do that.

I'm really looking forward to this pilot that we have with a few customers where we bring the whole product suite for them to see how the productivity can boost by using those technologies. We will definitely report those findings to the investor community as well. There was also a question related to what is the driver, the driver reducing the average deal size. That was already explained and there was a question related to price increases. The price increases for this year are very much in line with the price increase levels that we had last year. No major change in our approach in terms of the pure price increase strategy. I think we have all questions now answered. What I want to thank everyone is to really, really big thank you for this session.

Thank you for your cooperation during my first six months in the company and like I explained in the CEO letter attached to the Q2 earnings release interim report release, I'm very confident that we are on the right path. Now it's more the question of our ability to execute our plans and we will be gearing up towards the end of the year. More exciting information coming out regarding our platform strategy, regarding our AI development and also regarding our growth acceleration. Satu and I want to thank you all for joining into this webcast and have an excellent summer everyone. Thank you.

Satu Helamo
CFO, Admicom

Thank you.

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