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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

Apr 25, 2024

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Hello and welcome to Fiskars Group's Q1 2024 results webcast. My name is Essi Lipponen, I'm the Director of Investor Relations. I'm here with our President and CEO Nathalie Ahlström and our CFO Jussi Siitonen.

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Hello.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Nathalie and Jussi will first go through the presentation and the highlights from Q1, and after that we will be ready to take your questions. You can type in your questions in the chat already during the presentation. Go ahead, Nathalie.

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

Thank you, Essi. And also welcome from my part. It's a privilege to be here to talk about Q1 report that we just published. Let me go first to the highlights. Q1 now in 2024, it's a solid performance in a very challenging market. What we are proud of is that despite the challenging market, we are able to continue to strengthen our foundation. So it's really about the foundation that our transformation is strengthening. And we continue to deliver on gross margin, e-com, and China. I'll come to the details later. At the same time, we have also today announced that we are investing and making change in our plans, in our factories, in our glass factories, that we are taking the portfolio upwards towards more premium and luxury products. So significant investment and at the same time actively managing our portfolio. And for 2024, our guidance remains intact.

Our comparable EBIT will be significantly above, no, slightly, sorry for that, slightly above 2023 levels. But let me take you to the key facts about Q1. If we start with the key figures for the quarter, despite the volumes coming down in Q1 driven by the weak consumer sentiment, yet again we were able to increase our gross margin by 185 basis points. Now if you look in the last three years, a bit more than three years, we've increased gross margin from 40.6% to today where we are at 48.3%. So it's nearly 800 basis points that we've increased the gross margin, talking about how we are working to strengthen the foundation of the company, transforming it. Another thing just to highlight is last year we had the all-time high cash flow of the company's history. And now in Q1, free cash flow continues at historical normal levels.

Then looking at Vita, in Vita we see that the consumer sentiment that is weaker has impacted our volumes. On the positive side, of course we are growing via acquisitions. So the acquisition of Georg Jensen that we did in 1st of October is now part of our figures, and that is then inorganic growth that we show in Vita. The integration of Georg Jensen continues really well. And when we come out with Q2 in July, we will then also report on how Georg Jensen integration is progressing. And today it's progressing really well. Despite the challenge on volumes in Vita, the highlight is our e-com continues to grow. E-com continued to grow at 12%, which again shows that consumers are driven to our web pages. They come, they want to read the stories. It's about storytelling. It's about the lifestyle experience they get from our brands. So e-com is growing.

So we are moving our portfolio, actively managing it. And therefore, as I mentioned in the beginning, we continue to invest and we are making significant investment now into our factory in Rogaška, that's in Slovenia, where we today announced that we invest EUR 15 million to both optimize production, increase competitiveness, and modernize the factory. This will also much more accelerate our journey towards net zero in the factory in Rogaška. So we are investing. At the same time, what we are doing these changes, it's yet again a move of moving our portfolio of the company towards more premium and luxury with the setup. And then, as I said, also the journey towards net zero.

So, as a summary, what we have communicated today with the changes, not only in Rogaška, also in the Iittala factory, it's really in line with the portfolio roles that we spoke about in November during Capital Markets Day, where we say that we are moving more up towards luxury. And we also have brands Iittala, Waterford, that we need to optimize to future-proof the competitiveness of these brands. So we are actively managing that. Then the highlight of Q1 is truly Fiskars. Despite net sales coming down, it's extraordinary profitability for Fiskars in Q1. We reached 18.9% of EBIT margin in Q1. So it really talks about the commercial excellence we are looking at. Which are the channels, which are the places we want to be present in? What does good look like in stores?

As a consequence, despite the volumes coming down, we were also able to increase gross margin, and that offset the decline in volumes. We were able to deliver a solid EBIT for Fiskars. Another highlight in the Fiskars BA is the outdoor brand Gerber. Gerber has truly been one of the growth building blocks in Q1, where Gerber introduced a new category in Camp Cook and at the same time won more listings that were now opened up and filled in Q1. Fantastic work also there to drive growth for the future. Building the foundations for the future. Coming to the strategy. Like we always say, we are here and we have sharpened the logic of what we are doing, and it's really that we are actively managing the portfolio.

Like the examples I've just given, for example, the investments we are making into the glass factories. We have transformation levers that deliver. We're making the foundation to make it even more solid, future-proof of Fiskars. And when the volumes come back, we will really see an uptick in our performance. And also we have a simplified way of working. It's with very clear accountability and decision-making in the BAs, in BA Fiskars, BA Vita. So that makes us agile and much faster as we go forward. So speed is of essence. Then looking at how do we deliver on the transformation levers. So three out of four transformation levers are delivering. I mentioned already gross margin and commercial excellence. And it's very much about the channel mix that we are working on as well as our assortment.

We saw that in Q1 our gross margin grew 185 basis points. So yet again a quarter when the gross margin goes up. Direct to consumer, e-com, fantastic growth of 12%. It's about the storytelling, the power of the brands. Consumers want to take part of this. Retail declined, but when we look at like-for-like and the pop-ups that we've closed after Christmas, the like-for-like of retail is flat. And now when we look at the importance of omnichannel, especially in the luxury segment of Vita, it's fantastic to see that Vita direct to consumer is already more than 50% of all of Vita. So we are truly moving the portfolio up and executing on the portfolio roles. US continues to be challenging. And our big retailers, big box consumer customers want to be cautious with the inventories. And we saw a slight decline in the US. Then China.

Again, the local Chinese team doing a fantastic job. Growing Wedgwood, Rörstrand, Copenhagen. So 15% growth in China. If we include our newly acquired Georg Jensen into the figures, so including then inorganic growth, China growth is 20%. So 15% organic growth in China with Georg Jensen 20%. So China continues to be strong for us. And despite China overall on the macroeconomic level being a bit subdued, for us it's about the scalable model we have, where we started with Wedgwood. Now we are doing Rörstrand, Copenhagen, and Georg Jensen then on top of it. So it's a scalable model that we can continue to deliver the growth building blocks in China. It's not only on the business itself we are transforming, of course. Sustainability, ESG, is the heart of what we are doing. It's the heart of our DNA.

On biodiversity, our recycled content, it's fantastic to see that yet again we increased a little bit to 15% of all the content is circular products and services. So we are also from an ESG point of view transforming Fiskars Group. Therefore it's natural that we in March came out with our net zero target. We are going to become net zero by 2049. If you wonder why do we have such a strange year of 2049, that's when we turn 400 years as a company while we are this year turning 375. To reach the net zeros and the current targets that we are having, we have a lot of plans in place. We are going to continue to execute on them and reporting back to you where we are with these. Other highlights from Q1 and also from now where we are.

I'll start with this. I spoke about the growth building blocks. It's really in our brands, it's about the lifestyle that the brands are creating for consumers. This Gerber has taken to its heart and they are surrounding the consumers with new categories. An example, as I mentioned earlier, is Camp Cook that Gerber launched now in Q1. Fiskars brand won yet again Best of the Best for Red Dot. This is the fifth consecutive time we win Red Dot Design Award for products. This year we won two Best of the Best. We are also innovating to enhance our ESG journey, sustainability. One important fact is that today already two-thirds of our cookware products are PFAS-free. This is important for the consumers and also for sustainability for the whole planet going forward.

By the end of this year all our cooking products will be PFAS-free. So a lot of growth building blocks, innovations. But it's also about our culture, our culture at Fiskars. I'm very happy that we could in March announce that we are going to continue to reinforce our ownership culture in the company with MyFiskars, where employees through employee share savings plan can invest into the company and own shares. So in this way we can also welcome our Georg Jensen employees into the program. From the first launch we had already in 2023, we see a fantastic uptick in participation from our employees. Today, as an example, in Finland in offices 50% of our employees are Fiskars shareholders. So it's truly about the ownership culture we are creating in Fiskars. Then our guidance for 2024. Our guidance remains intact.

It's a challenging environment with the macroeconomics and also wage inflation is against that. At the same time, and Jussi will talk about that soon, we see that the savings from what we initiated last year is starting to come in. With the Georg Jensen acquisition also we see that our profit will be much more heavy at the end of the year, heavy loaded at the end of the year. So the typical quarterly variations is going to change towards the end of the year. But with that I'll hand over to Jussi. Thank you.

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Thank you, Nathalie. And hello everyone. Let's start first with the net sales. So as Nathalie mentioned, we were down 5.8% organically. Out of that Fiskars was 6.2% negative and then Vita 5.7%.

When it comes to Fiskars BA there, the good thing is that we started to see growth there in Sweden, which is a big country for Fiskars. Then the biggest countries, U.S., Finland, we had low single digit negative in those countries taking the whole Fiskars BA downward is minus 6.2%. On Vita, as already mentioned, China, which is 100% Vita country. Denmark, Sweden, U.K., Norway, they were all up. So we have now more and more countries which are growing. However, the two biggest ones now in Q1, Finland and Japan, they were down. So that's why we were down also in Vita as a total. Nathalie already mentioned that Gerber was nicely up. We were up roughly 15% there thanks to these new categories and footprint expansion when it comes to distribution.

So these were the main drivers there for this like-for-like net sales -5.8% and then total net sales up +2.9%. Then on EBIT. EBIT came down. EBIT came down EUR 3.7 million there when we have like-for-like basis, which means that excluding Georg Jensen impact here. It was mostly because of low volumes. That was the biggest single reason what we had there taking EBIT down. We succeeded to partially mitigate this with better gross margins, especially in Fiskars BA and in the savings. And we are very pleased with the fact that now after those announcements what we had last year, one announcement in January and then another one in September, we start now seeing that savings are flowing in.

If you go through this bridge what we have here, you can see that the low volumes impacting, of course, gross profit due to the net sales drop, but then also production, negative production variances what we had there. Those were the biggest single reason. Then top line driven negatives there, mainly coming from bad debts, marginally down. And then depreciation on marketing. These were all two items which are not under those saving programs what we initiated last year. Then you can see that both cost of goods and SG&A, they are nicely contributing our EBIT growth. And that's important also to understand that while the EBIT as such is coming down, the underlying good momentum there what we have the saving plans seems now to work.

When it comes to a big part of the SG&A, people, employee cost or salaries, there still we see that inflation is partially offset the benefits what we are getting from lower headcount base. But let's see how now it's continued during the year. On cash flow. Q1 cash flow -EUR 20 million, free cash flow -EUR 20 million there. That follows the historical pattern what we typically have in Q1. Of course, we are not happy with this kind of negative cash flow, especially when last year we succeeded to make positive free cash flow in Q1. Out of this -EUR 20 million, roughly EUR 8 million is Georg Jensen impact and then EUR 12 million old Fiskars. The main reason for this negative is the net working capital. However, within this net working capital we succeeded to continue inventory reduction so that now they were EUR 31 million down in Q1.

Nicely equally down in both BAs, both in Vita and in Fiskars BA. On balance sheet. Net EBITDA, a target being this 2.5x. We were now 2.9x. That's a seasonal impact what we have. Capital employed remained pretty flat and that's important for us that we need to continue improving our asset efficiency. So now it's temporarily down due to the fact that we still have some fair valuations they're in from Georg Jensen, but we gradually start improving also that one. Q1 negative cash flow and then dividends, they're all funded through cash reserves what we had at year-end. And return on capital employed 9%. So we still are in value creation mode in that sense. Taking all our financial targets, four financial targets here, net sales growth organic, EBIT margin, cash flow and balance sheet.

If we take rolling 12 months at the end of Q1, the cash flow conversion is still very positive there. Then taking a longer perspective, mitigating this kind of short-term volatility there. The balance sheet remains strong and we are also catching up now cash flow. EBIT and net sales are the ones which are impacted by this challenging environment what we currently have. That's very shortly about financing and giving it back to you, Nathalie.

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

Thank you, Jussi. Then just summarizing with the highlights. So a solid performance in a very challenging market. We continue to transform the company, make it more future-proof and building the foundation so that when the volumes are back, we are really in a good position with gross margins, e-com and China continue to deliver.

Today also we've announced we are investing in our glass factories and we are making changes in the production to ensure that we are moving the portfolio up more towards premium and luxury products. Finally, our guidance for 2024 remains intact. Our comparable EBIT is expected to be slightly above 2023 level. Thank you.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Thank you, Nathalie and Jussi. We do have questions here already and you can continue sending your questions to us via the chat. Okay, if we start maybe with a question related to the U.S. and Nathalie, if you take this one. Yep. In the U.S., retailers are still cautious. How have the first weeks of April started in terms of sellout and do normalizing inventories within retailers cause restocking at some point?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

Yeah. Yes, it's true. The big box players in the U.S. continue to be cautious with inventory. We think it's a new normal as long as interest rates are going to be this high, that the inventory management will be very tight. Then about the first weeks of April, it's horrible to say, but it's a bit weather dependent that we've had a few very warm, fantastic weekends in April in the U.S. So that always helps. But it depends on now the weather a bit, how it goes. And then, of course, following closely the POS data, how it evolves as we go forward. Then about restocking, it's very case by case dependent on the big box players.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Okay, thank you. And maybe another one for you, Nathalie, related to Asia-Pacific. Comparable sales in APAC was down despite clear growth in China. Can you talk a bit about the other main markets in that area?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

Yeah, the biggest besides China that grew 15% or if you want to say 20% with Georg Jensen, Japan had a challenging start to the year. So it's a very much a Japan question.

Yes. Then maybe one for Jussi. What was the organic change in gross margin, i.e., excluding impact from Georg Jensen?

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

As Nathalie mentioned, the total gross margin improvement was this 185 basis points there. Without Georg Jensen, it was still improving a bit more than 100 basis points. So more than half of this improvement is organic and less the remaining part is Georg Jensen.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Great. Let's see. Then a question related to Finland and the political strikes that we had in Q1. And maybe Nathalie, if you take this. Yeah. How large of an impact did they have in Q1 and do you expect some effects still in Q2?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

The political strikes we had in Finland here in Q1, they didn't materially impact. Our teams in both supply chain, production planning and so on were very agile and could react to the situation. So fantastic teamwork led to that the impact was marginal.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yeah. Then another one for you, Nathalie. And going back to China. China comparable growth was healthy at 15% in Q1. Can you give indications of monthly sales development in the country?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

In China, like in all our countries, all our markets, it's very dependent also on the occasions of the year and in which month the occasions fall into. In China, as we all know, the Chinese New Year is one of the biggest events in Q1. So that then fluctuates how it's between the months.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Okay, then maybe a question related to the planned factory changes. So Nathalie, will the planned optimization measures in production mean that the production would better respond to the kinds of market demand situations we saw in Vita in Q1?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

Yeah, in Vita when volumes came down, in glass manufacturing, that's a process industry, it's difficult to flex the volumes. These changes we are doing now in the factories are not driven by the situation in Q1. These are long-term strategic changes we are doing. As we want to move the portfolio up towards premium and luxury, so being less volume dependent and the importance we will strengthen. We have machine manufacturing in both Iittala and Rogaška. We want to further enhance the importance of glass, hand glass, blown, mouth blown glasses because that's so important in the luxury segment. So this will improve our competitiveness and also how we are moving up the portfolio in positioning the brands.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Great. And then also another question related to that. Are these optimizations expected after 2026 or already earlier?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

The optimizations start now. Yeah. And the investment we are doing in Rogaška, the EUR 15 million, that also now starts ordering the new oven for Rogaška.

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Yes. Let me see. Jussi, maybe if you take the first part of the question and then I'll continue to Nathalie.

So Jussi, how much did Georg Jensen burden profitability in Q1? Yeah, as you probably saw in my slides, Georg Jensen Q1 net sales was EUR 27 million and then EBIT -EUR 1.7 million. So that gives a good proxy on that one.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yeah. And then Nathalie, the latter part of the question to you. How is the integration progressing? I know you mentioned it already, but if you can give a summary.

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

It's fantastic. The integration is going really smooth. Couldn't be better. And it's thanks to the rigorous plans that we have in place, had in place already, most of them before signing the deal in September. So we're executing on them. And in July when we come out with Q2, we will talk more about that. But it's fantastic progress.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yes. Then Jussi, about cash flow. Yeah. So cash flow was negative in the first quarter. Are you worried about this?

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

As said, definitely we are not happy with this kind of negative cash flow, especially when we succeeded last year to deliver positive Q1 cash flow. I'm not too worried about that. We know that it's this volatility which is further intensified by Georg Jensen having now in our portfolio. And typically we have made the cash flow in the second half, especially in Q4. And it seems that we continue following the same pattern.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yes, great. And maybe Jussi, if you continue. Do you expect to reach your leverage target again already in H2 this year?

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

By end of this year, you mean?

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yeah.

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Yeah, that's for sure. Is the target there to maintain our 2.5x net EBITDA.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Okay. Okay, maybe one for Nathalie in between. Low volumes impacted Vita's profitability. Could you give any indications of your own manufacturing utilization ratios and are you expecting this to gradually recover during the year?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

Yeah, in Vita, correctly, low volumes impacted Vita significantly in Q1. In many of the places where we produce pieces, it's easier to flex the volumes. But the glass factories that are process-driven industry, that's where it's difficult to just flex like this. But we now also with the changes we announced this morning when we go to more premium, more mouth blown, we will also be able to not only get in the premium position, net zero, but also then flex going forward.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yeah. I'm not sure, but I think that the question also referred to we have said that we have last year reduced the amount of manufacturing and also sourcing. So what is our situation with that? Are we still producing less and sourcing less?

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

That's a very good addition. Thank you, Essi. It's a very factory by factory situation depending on if it's a ceramics factory, if it's a glass factory. And in some of the places, it's a lot of hand painting. For example, Royal Copenhagen is hand painting. So it depends. And as said, these are then easier. Some of them are easier to flex than others. When it comes to sourcing, that's of course where we have the easiest to adapt to the rapidly changing situations. And Vita has much more own manufacturing than Fiskars and that we saw in Fiskars BA last year that they could much more adapt also than on working capital.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yep, thank you. Okay, then Jussi, a couple of questions for you. The other segment . Have you completed savings in external services or are you expecting to reach a lower run rate cost level?

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Yeah, when it comes to our so-called segment, other than the underlying operative costs that we have there, they are typically EUR 1 million-EUR 1.5 million each month. So that's a good proxy also here. The external services we have reduced or terminated there, they should still deliver some benefits for the third quarters.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Great. And Jussi, if you take this one as well. Good to see that the savings are now coming in. Is Q1 savings also a good proxy for the full year?

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Yeah, I agree. It's very good to see that savings are coming in. The COGS savings, which are both, they are a combination of lower unit costs that we have there thanks to price negotiations that we have succeeded to go through. And then also the efficiency improvement that we have seen in our factories. That part should continue. Of course, it's partially volume driven. So we need to see increasing volumes still to get all savings out. On SG&A part, external services is a good example that will continue. The one thing that we have there in SG&A, of course, is the people costs, salaries and the inflation from last year. It will have now a full year impact.

And then also for this year, we see roughly 4% salary inflation there, which partially offsets the savings that we are heading. So answering the questions whether Q1 is a good proxy, we truly believe that we can continue at the same pace.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Great. And still, if you continue, Jussi, the tax rate quite high in Q1. What about full year?

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Yeah, the effective tax rate in Q1, 32%. That's not a proxy for the full year. So I would say 22%-25% range is a good proxy for not only for full year, but also for a longer period of time. What's our effective tax rate?

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Great. And we have one question left. So if you still have any in your mind, you can type in during this next one. So Jussi, maybe this is still for you. Can you explain the one-offs you had in Q1?

Jussi Siitonen
CFO, Fiskars Group

Yes, for sure. Actually, the biggest one there definitely, which is still continuing Q2 and Q3, relates to this purchase price allocation of fair valuation of acquired asset of Georg Jensen. The part of that was allocated to inventories and now we are amortizing this there. It takes one inventory turn when they are out there, which is by end of Q3. As much as I respect accounting, I would say this has nothing to do with the underlying business operation as such. So it's truly this kind of accounting technical type of topics there. Then another one is what we informed when we acquired Georg Jensen, that it's roughly EUR 10 million what we need for integration there to get all the integration benefits out. And that's also partially now in Q1 there. So those are the two big items.

Essi Lipponen
Director of Investor Relations, Fiskars Group

Yes, great. Thank you. It seems that we don't have any more questions at this point. So thank you for active discussion and feel free to contact the IR team if you have any further questions. Thank you.

Nathalie Ahlström
CEO, Fiskars Group

Thank you.

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