Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Jul 17, 2020

Welcome to this news conference regarding CargoTech's Half Year Report 2020. My name is Hannah Maria Heikkinen, I am in charge of Investor Relations. Our business environment during Q2 was exceptional due to COVID-nineteen and related decisions restrictions from authorities. Despite of those, our performance was solid. Both demand and our own delivery capability improved during the quarter. Good news is that our service and software was also resilient. We reacted rapidly to the crisis and started temporary cost savings and our rapid actions are visible in our comparable operating profit. We have strong financial position and our total liquidity is €970,000,000 In May, we also announced our climate ambition to be 1.5 degree company. Today, our CEO, Micah Verfilalun, will go through the highlights and COVID-nineteen situation and then our CFO, Micah Polakka, will continue with the business areas, financials and outlook. Micah will end the presentation with strategic progress and climate ambition. And after the presentation, there is a great possibility to ask questions and get solid answers. Please, Micah, time to start. And for your information, we are keeping required safety distance here. Thank you, Hande Maria. Good afternoon on my behalf as well, thank you for joining the Cargatec Q2 twenty twenty call. First of all, I'd like to say that I'm very proud how our people in Cargatec performed during the Q2, delivering a solid performance in a very tough and exceptional conditions. I'd like to take the opportunity to thank all of our employees, our customers and our partners for good performance during the difficult conditions. The Q2 started in very difficult circumstances with fast dropping orders, delivery difficulties due to the closure of our own manufacturing units and our supply chain issues as well, but we have seen a gradual improvement throughout the quarter. The solid performance was delivered by a few facts. First of all, we reacted into the situation relatively quickly. But more importantly, the investments and the developments we have done into our asset light business model, our services and software and to our control and processes were clearly paying off during these difficult circumstances. I am also very happy that we made good progress in our strategy execution during the Q2 and I would say our strategy is even more relevant after this pandemic than it's ever been in terms of the sustainability, safety, reliability of automated robotized electrified solutions. I am also very proud and excited for the fact that during the Q2 in our Annual General Meeting, we announced the target to be 1.5 degree company by 02/1930. As Hannah was already saying, we are the overall development. Mikko Polakka will go through the business area specific and then I will talk a little bit about our strategy in the end. The orders dropped quite significantly, 27%, but we saw clear improvement over the quarter. May numbers were already much better than the April numbers and June numbers were better than the May numbers. Also our delivery capability improved through the quarter and all of our manufacturing and assembly units are now back in operations. Our top line, of course, took a hit as well coming from the delays or difficulties in customer operations, the manufacturing and delivery capabilities and issues with logistics as well. That situation also improved throughout the quarter. Despite the difficulties, we actually delivered a solid operating profit and actually our relative operating margin improved from quarter one. I am also happy of the solid operating margin both in Hayab and in Kalmar throughout these difficult conditions. I'm also very delighted about the good progress we are making in MacGregor, where we improved quarter on quarter and year on year and are heading to the right direction towards the breakeven during the second half of this year. Again, very difficult quarter in many ways. The safety of our personnel, our customers and partners been top priority I am happy that we didn't have any bigger issues with pandemic in our own operations or sites. The short term actions we took in terms of the salary cuts, personnel, external work, travel cuts, etcetera, delivered €10,000,000 per month savings that was very visible in our operating profit as well. Orders declined, but we have not had any major cancellations in any of our businesses. But we are still lacking any larger automation orders where the customers are waiting for the situation to clear. We did land one medium sized automation order during Q2, but we still expect major automation orders within this year if the situation continues as it is at the moment. It's also good to see the services and software has been stable, and I'll come back to that one. The declines have been primarily related to the new equipment deliveries in Hayab. Now when I look at the market conditions, the one I actually follow personally closely is actually our own data. We get real time data from tens of thousands of pieces of equipment that are connected and operating by our customers. And that gives us a very good visibility about the activity level in the cargo flow and logistics in different segments in different geographic locations. Here you see two graphs. On the left hand side you see CALMER Mobile Solutions Index in running hours and on the right hand side you see High Blowder Crane Activity Index that takes into account the driving distances, crane cycles, operating times, drops, etcetera. As you can see in the CALMER Mobile Solutions, and this is a combination of many different segments and geographies, we reached the bottom of the activity, nearly 20% drop in the late April, early May. Since then, we have had a steady recovery on that one. And right now, we are roughly at the ninety percent level, so roughly ten percent down from pre COVID situation. And I'll come back to the geographical split on that one in a moment. From the high side, you can see again similar, more than 20%, in this case, roughly 25% drop in activity, but actually also very steady recovery in the activity. And actually, at the moment, in high up loader crane side, the European activity slightly exceeds the activity level we had pre COVID in JanuaryFebruary. And The U. S. Activity is roughly five percent to 10% lower than it was pre COVID in the Loaded Crane segments. The benefits of that date, obviously, are visible and help us in directing our own business, but they also have very helpful for us in directing our services operations, for example, and helping our customers. I think it's very clear that after this crisis, the utilization of data, connectivity, etcetera, is going to be much wider spread and that development will accelerate as good experiences of this one are coming through. From the geographical point of view, one can see that the activity level in Asia Pacific has returned close to the normal level. Even Australia, actually, we have some higher levels than we saw pre COVID situation there. However, the relevant markets where the most of the connected equipment are actually as the European markets and North America. You saw the recovery curve from the roughly 20% down. The Europe has actually been more resilient market and has also recovered somewhat faster than The U. S. Market and is roughly now down 90%. You also see the 93%, which is the equipment utilization rate across the board at the moment. So we are slightly down still from the January, February numbers. The U. S. Market has lagged somewhat behind in recovery, but actually last week where the data is based now on, we saw actually a surge of activity there and we landed actually end of last week 10% down, similar number to Europe. This could be somewhat to do with the July 4 week and then the sort of activities behind that one as well. But overall, sort of a sharp slowdown in many of our customers' operations and then steady recovery during the last two months. If I talk about market conditions in a little bit more broader sense, obviously, the first half we saw quite a sharp decline in container throughput, 9.6 during the first half. Now the market is expected to recover already in Q3 and the container throughput is expected to reach 2019 level during the quarter four. For 2021, market is expected to increase by 10 percentage points. Construction output also declined both in Europe and U. S. During the first half, but actually in the last month or weeks, we have seen the activity level starting to increase again, where both the housing permits as well as the housing starts have started to increase in U. S. Again. And also we have seen increased activity level in most of the European markets. The macroeconomic market conditions continue to be difficult. Even from the very relatively low level, we saw a further 33% decline in merchant sector during the first half. And even though the percentage increase actually in the offshore sector looks pretty good, it's actually coming from a very low activity level. In offshore sector, I would like to highlight that there has been a real transition happening in the MacGregor and the proportion of oil and gas related activities in our offshore sector is less than 20% of MacGregor offshore segment now. The fishery and aquaculture is an increasingly important business for us The real growth opportunities are now in offshore wind installations where we have landed our first orders. And I expect actually the recovery in offshore sector happening through the sustainable energy investments and through the investments in fishery and aquaculture. Again, declined, but we started to see the recovery happening in the coming following months on that one. Mac orders were actually slightly up, but that increase came primarily from the addition of the TTS business into the Macregor. The good news is that our order book is still at a good level moving into the second half and now that the delivery capability is returning, this is a good backlog to have. Sales decreased. Customer obviously had a number of difficulties in their own activities. We had issues with our delivery capability through the site closures and then on the supply chain and component availability because many of our supplies also had closures. But activity level and improvements have happened. As I said already, all of our manufacturing and assembly units are now back in operations and also the supply chain is actually recovering close to normal as we speak. Very happy about our performance in software. Despite the difficult market conditions, our software sales increased further. We saw especially good progress in the Software as a Service or SaaS revenues in MacGregor and also in automation software. The services declined somewhat and the Kalmar decline came primarily from the services that are rated to access for customer sites, where there are a number of restrictions in place. High up decline came solely from the installations and accessories, which are directly related to the delivery of the new equipment. The higher maintenance and spare parts businesses actually remained stable throughout the quarter. And the macro service revenues increased primarily coming in from the impact of the TTS addition into the business. Services and Software is now 37% of our total sales. With that one, I'd like to hand over to Mikko Polakka, who will cover the market area business areas more in detail. Good afternoon also from my side. And let's start with Kalmar, where we had a sharp decline in orders in April. But like you saw from the previous slides, the order and customer activity improved then in May and then further in June. Orders were EUR $293,000,000, minus 30%. The mobile equipment orders declined sharply in May and then gradually improved. Also, the automation and project orders declined. In general, we have a good sales funnel for the automation and project orders. But in the current environment, customer decisions take time. If we are looking at geographical areas, EMEA and APAC were more robust and the biggest decline took place in Americas. CALMAR sales were EUR $350,000,000, minus 18% year on year. And we had a growth in automation and projects revenues as well as in software revenues, while the mobile equipment revenues declined. Like Nika showed, the services revenues declined, but this decline was mainly attributable to the kind of services, which require physical presence at customer site and these kind of site restrictions and the travel limitations have been affecting delivery of those services. On the other hand, we have seen also increasing demand for remote services, and this could be a future trend also going forward. The comparable operating profit in euros as well as in percentage remained on good level despite the decline in sales. We had a favorable impact coming from sales mix. Services amounted 35% of the total sales. Also, long term investment, what we have done to the asset light operating model, processes and procedures are making our operations more flexible nowadays. We have also been reducing workforce by three fifty FTEs during the last twelve months, and this is contributing to the profitability of Kalmar as well. And then we have had temporary cost savings in place in Kalmar since April. In high up, the COVID-nineteen was very visible in orders and sales, but comparable operating profit margin remained on a good level, 10%. Orders declined very similarly like in Kalmar, mostly in Americas, while EMEA and APAC were more robust. As we have a fairly short cycle from order to sales in High Up, the lower orders in the second quarter were also visible in sales. The service sales declined, like Micah indicated, but the service decline service sales decline was mainly attributable to services, which are related to new equipment. As mentioned, the comparable operating profit margin remained on healthy level. This is also coming in high up, like in Kalmar, from the sales mix, services amounting 30% of sales. And then we have been also rapidly adjusting our cost base in the assembly units. We have done also in High Up good progress in various productivity improvements like customer pricing as well as in the supplier material cost driving the cost down. And also in high up, we have the temporary cost savings in action since April. And in MacGregor, we start to see the first impacts of the TTS integration, clearly visible in the results. So the trend is going to the right direction. Orders grew by footprint. Merchant orders were flat, while we had a good order development in offshore and, for example, in the offshore wind renewable energy type of segments. DTS contributed to sales and orders. Sales grew 28% and even organically, sales grew by 3%. In MacGregor, we saw the service sales, even though they were growing, the service sales were, to a certain extent, impacted by the COVID-nineteen situation as some vessels had travel kind of entry limitations and there were also travel restrictions in place. CALMAR comparable operating profit was negative, minus EUR 4,000,000, but significant improvement year on year as well as compared to quarter one. So the restructuring activities and also the TTS integration are showing clearly the signs of improvement. We had also growth in merchant business that contributed also to the profitability. And then like in other two business areas, we have had also the temporary cost savings measures in place since April. The TTS integration is progressing very well. And due to this reason, we have also increased our savings target from the previous EUR 50,000,000 to EUR 18,000,000 for this year. So far, we have delivered €7,000,000 and €11,000,000 to be delivered still in the second half. A few words about our key figures. Order book on a good level, 1,800,000,000.0. Our comparable operating profit, 43,000,000, EUR 21,000,000 lower than in quarter two last year, biggest decline from high up then in Kalmar and MacGregor improving. We had EUR 63,000,000 of items affecting comparability. Here, the largest item, EUR 40,000,000, was related to the divestment of our share in the Rainbow Cargotec Industries joint venture in China that happened in June. And then the remaining EUR 20,000,000 was related to the restructuring of McGregor, DTS integration, closing of offices and laying of personnel. These EUR 63,000,000 are related to activities, which we expect to improve our profitability going forward. We have also conducted the McRegor goodwill impairment testing in the second quarter, and the testing showed no need for impairment. In fact, goodwill impairment testing headroom increased from EUR 7,000,000 in first quarter now to EUR 37,000,000 in quarter two. Our cash flow was EUR 4,000,000 for the second quarter. The decline compared to last year's quarter two is coming mainly from the lower profitability. We have been able to release cash from receivables. However, we have had somewhat higher inventories due to the supply chain disturbances. Our financial position and liquidity are strong. Gearing was 64% at the June. And excluding the EUR 177,000,000 of IFRS 16 leases, our gearing would be 50%. It's good to remember also that only part of our interest bearing debt is having loan covenant. So basically, the bank loans, which are amounting 37% of our total debt, are having a covenant and the single only covenant is gearing. And the gearing level is covenant level is 125%. So based on this, we have a very rich headroom to the covenant levels. Our liquidity, as said also in the beginning, very strong, EUR $970,000,000. Roughly half of that liquidity is cash and the rest are bank facilities. Our debt portfolio is well balanced between different instruments: bank loans, 37% and long term bonds and Schulzheim, 57%. No major loan repayments coming up in the next two years. And we have also raised EUR $250,000,000 additional debt in quarter two, and you can see those in the 2022 and 2023 maturities. Then coming to our outlook. As we have been reading, countries are opening the borders. But however, the coronavirus pandemic is far from being over. There are big uncertainties related to the market outlooks. Also the market situation and operating environments may change very rapidly. Due to these reasons, the visibility for the rest of the year is still weak. And in this situation, we are not able to give a firm guidance for the full year. If we look at the second half of this year, we expect that the market recovery continues like we have seen already happening in the second quarter. We also expect to have less component constraints from our suppliers. And we also expect that CargoTech's own delivery capability improves going forward further. We also continue with the similar kind of permanent productivity improvements, which have been contributing to our quarter two results. And we continue also with some selected temporary cost measures. And these kind of cost improvements are also expected to contribute to our profitability in the coming quarters. And then I would hand over back to Mikael, please. Thank you, Mikael. Despite the difficult conditions, we have kept on executing our strategy. And as I already said, I do believe actually that the ingredients for our strategy has been enhanced by this crisis. First of all, we keep on continuing driving our productivity, as Mick was saying. As a part of our asset light operational mode, we have exited our joint venture in China, Rainbow Cargatec and we also exited our manufacturing assembly unit in India and moved to contract manufacturing model. This will give us further flexibility and more cost effectiveness in our supply chain. As a part of our productivity measures, in addition to temporary measures, we have also reduced our permanent headcount by four twenty nine during the first half. We have also made drastic reductions in our external workforce as part of our asset light operational mode benefits. The restructuring costs were significant in Q2, but obviously the largest part of that one was related to the exit and the write off of the Chinese joint venture, RCI. The sustainability is a big opportunity for us. Our sector that we serve, the logistics industry, is responsible for roughly 7% impact on the global CO2 carries. We have now, as I said already, committed to be a UN based ambition of 1.5 degrees. As a part of this science based initiative, I have signed Uniting Businesses and Governments to Recover Better statement where we urge the governments to actually direct their stimulus and incentives towards more sustainable solutions. We do believe that we have fantastic opportunities and we keep on investing. Our R and D actually increased again by roughly 10% during the Q2 and we keep on investing specifically for electrification, automation, software and robotics. We do believe that the sustainable product portfolio and sustainable product offering for customers is a long term growth opportunity for us and the proportion of our sustainable product portfolio increased again during the Q2. With that one, I'd like to thank you for your attention. I think we turn into the Q2. Thank you, Micah. Thank you, Micah. Now there is a possibility to ask questions. So handing over to the operator. Thank take our first question. Hi. It's Felix from Nordea. Question on the columnar sales mix in the backlog. Could you describe on the split with being the mobile solution and automation as well as how long will the backlog carry workloads going forward? The mix was more weighted towards the automation and project solutions as the as obviously, we had a sort of a stronger project execution in that one. However, the mix within that one was relatively good as well and resulted in a good operating margin there as well. For the automation project side, we have a backlog that extends well into the next year. In Mobile Equipment, we also have a very good order backlog towards the second half of the year. But obviously, we would like to see the orders recovering, which it has done already throughout the quarter, supporting further the second half performance. Okay. Thank you. And then perhaps a question regarding sort of the month over month development during Q2. So in mid July, you've commented that order intake had not sort of recovered from March and April clients. So I'm wondering, was June substantially higher in terms of order intake than May and April? Or how did this evolve? Yes. We saw a solid increase month on month from May was clearly better than April and June was then better than the May. So it was a fairly solid trend across the board. Okay. And then finally, on the temporary cost savings measures for H2, how much do you expect to achieve this in Q4 and Q3? Are you talking about similar €10,000,000 per month run rate? Or how do you see this going forward? I think we keep on monitoring the situation and depending on the overall business performance and the situation. The activity level is clearly increasing. Hence, for example, some of the part time work reductions are such that we need to evaluate whether we can keep them in force going well after the summer holidays. But really, it depends on the market situation overall and where we stand then in terms of the demand, for example. We'll now take our next question. Thank you. Good afternoon. That's Arsen from Credit Suisse. Thank you very much for taking my question. My first question is around MacGregor's goodwill impairment test. And I just wanted to understand a bit better what made you more positive in current market environment considering there are not that many improvements in the lead indicators? And also, how do you assess the likelihood of MacGregor write down in the coming quarter or two compared to maybe Q1? Perhaps I'll take that question. Thanks for the good question. The macroeconomic goodwill impairment improved, like I said, and the improvement was mainly related to the changes in the weighted average cost of capital. So we have not changed the business outlook or the outlook used in the goodwill impairment testing. We have kept that on the same level what we had in the first quarter. And these improvements were related to the changes in the weighted average cost of capital interest. So no changes in the macroecor outlook between quarter two and quarter one. But like I said also in the presentation, the TTS integration is progressing very well, even a bit better than what we have expected, and that's expected to contribute to the MacReCord profitability also in the coming quarters. Thank you. My second question is around restructuring charges. I can see you've increased them by €15,000,000 If I'm not mistaken, I think in the previous statement related to Rainbow joint venture, you mentioned €35,000,000 of costs associated with it. So I guess two questions. Firstly, where the incremental restructuring charges are coming from? And also secondly, out of €110,000,000 you expect to book this year, how much of that is cash? And how much of those cash charges yet to be booked in H2? Yes. This basically, the restructuring charges for the second quarter were EUR 72,000,000, and then we had approximately EUR 11,000,000 kind of positive onetime item coming arising from the Rainbow Heavy Industries listed company share treatment in our books. So basically, approximately EUR 40,000,000 of quarter two restructuring costs are related to the Rainbow CargoTech Industries Rainbow Heavy Rainbow CargoTech Industries divestment and then approximately EUR 20,000,000 are related to McGregor restructuring, TTS integration being the largest item. We have said that approximately our estimation for the restructuring costs is approximately EUR 110,000,000 for this year, and those are that is including for the rest of the year mainly personnel related restructuring. So those would be cash kind of cash impact. Out of the total EUR 110,000,000, I would estimate that approximately 30% to 40% would be cash impact and roughly 60% noncash. Okay. That's very clear. And maybe could you elaborate a bit more on CEHUB and CALMAR specifically in terms of those monthly run rates? I think the color you've given so far is very helpful, but a lot of companies also help analysts with May, June year over year run rates just for us to be better to to understand better dynamics for h two and the aggregate run rate. So maybe you could talk a little bit in terms of the year over year where maybe the quarter ended in terms of order intake in Kaomar and Kia, please? Well, if you look at the equipment run rate, and we had two examples here. The one was the higher blowed crane activity level, where we actually have seen that the activity level in Europe has recovered actually relatively fast. And actually, we are somewhat above the early part of the year run rates in that one and then slightly behind that one in U. S. And you can see that it's been a bumpy ride, but that's primarily related to the fact that there has been quite a number of public holidays in both markets during the sort of Q2 as well. When I look at the color equipment, European recovery, I think, has been somewhat ahead of The U. S. Recovery. However, the data from last week actually showed U. S. Catching up, but I'm a little still hesitant on that one because the previous week, which was the July 4 week, was still down a bit more, but there could be just a sort of bounce back of that one as well. And we've seen The U. S. Data being somewhat behind the European data on that one. Interestingly, I was comparing to high up data because Volvo published their data, I think, yesterday or a few days ago. And actually, you could put those charts on top of each other and they would correlate extremely well. So that's a good validation of the data itself as well. Sorry, just to follow-up on this, I appreciate that's very helpful color. Just in terms of your order intake, obviously, the heat was maybe harder than operational data you track. So I guess thinking about the actual order run rates, have they followed very similar patterns as ones we discussed? Or June and May are still quite are still double digits down year over year? Well, the little bit there in the June numbers started to be much closer to the normal run rate than the previous months in that sense. So clearly, sharpest declines we saw into the early parts of the April and then a recovery of that one and a further recovery of June, again, in terms of the order run rates. And the first two weeks July also show a solid progress in the orders as well. Okay. Thank you very much for taking my questions. Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Hi. It's Erti from Inderes. A couple of questions regarding your cost structure. It seems that on your SG and A side, sales costs, admin costs and other OpEx, they were all down by more than your sales. I mean, in marketing costs, obviously, restrictions played a role. But was there anything more structural in these savings? Or was it only temporarily offset by the growth? Mikko can maybe fill in as well, but the I mean, obviously, the short term initiatives such as the travel was very visible, for example, in sales and marketing costs. But at the same time, we have continued our productivity efforts. And as I said in my presentation, we have reduced nearly 500 people from our permanent sort of headcount throughout the first half as well. So there are underlying productivity efforts that we keep on executing. And that's the one thing we have discussed, for example, in the past has been the Kalmar world class supply chain effort that was handled as a specific item in one of the investor events. That program is now starting to sort of deliver some of the savings as well that are start to be visible in there. And then, of course, the efforts we have done in the global business center and consolidating our back office also is visible in there. And as I said during the presentation, we have been reducing in Kalmar three fifty FTEs during the last twelve months' time, in Macroecos 600 FTEs since 2019. And gradually, these permanent reductions become more visible in our cost structure. And like Micah said, the temporary cost savings, 10,000,000 per month, consisting of reduced work time, practically no traveling, reducing the external services, also reducing kind of internal development activities are all contributing in our quarter two cost base. So should we be expecting that most of the savings that we saw in SG and A in Q2 will come back if and when your pipeline starts to increase again? Not necessarily all of them. I think some of those things will actually probably move into more sort of permanent behavior or cost levels as well. So I don't expect them to fully come back. The one that I think we are sensitive for is the employee related salary cuts, etcetera, as the activity levels have picked up. But they are planning to be continued at least till August, and then we will review the situation again in August. Fair enough. Thank you so much. We have actually received a couple of questions online, so maybe we can continue with those. So first of all, for MacReCord, did I understand correctly that you expect the margins to be positive in the second half? Think what I we said that we expect to reach the breakeven during the Q2 sorry, during the second half. Right. Could you please talk a bit about the activity level for TTS? It seems they booked some €30,000,000 in orders in Q2 versus 40,000,000 in Q1. They been impacted specifically by COVID-nineteen? I don't think the TTS has been specifically overall, we've been satisfied with the TTS operation. It's been profitable during the first half. And actually, when you look at what's happening in the shipping industry at the moment, more than 60% of the merchant ship orders in the first half actually came out of China. And again, very clear support from Chinese government. And actually, that's the market MacGregor would have struggled to have an access. And now, of course, through the joint venture structures in TTS, we have an access for that specific market growth as well. And also joint ventures, we know that TTS have been positive throughout the first half. Yes. I would say that, of course, in the beginning of the year in China, the coronavirus was impacting to some project deliveries. But as we have been progressing with the year, the APAC getting less impacted by coronavirus, The project deliveries in MacGregor overall, including TTS, have been progressing well. The most of the COVID impacts are coming in services where there are travel restrictions and limitations to access vehicles vessels. Then a question about the cost actions. I think we discussed quite widely the temporary cost savings and actions, and those will be reviewed in August. But how do you view the need for replacing the temporary cost actions with more permanent ones? I think we are continuously looking for further productivity improvements in there and that's under the review at this stage. So we need to look at again the market development and make the right decisions at the right time. And then going back to the order trends, we discussed that and the comparison month by month, but how about from geographical point of view, especially in High Ebb? The decline in U. S. Has been stronger than it was in Europe. About any comments about how the Q3 has started? I think I mentioned already that the first two weeks data on orders is showing a progress in the business. Handing back over to the operator, there should be one follow-up question. Yes, we'll now take our next question. Thank you. Thank you very much for taking the follow-up. Me, that's Artyn from Credit Suisse. I have two. Firstly, MacGregor, could you help us with understanding a bit better? What was organic decline in orders in MacGregor specifically? And also, maybe could you talk a little bit about how you think about profitability of the business maybe already early in 2021, considering that the backlog is quite long and obviously, backlog is down quite considerably year over year? Yes. So on MacGregor, the way I look at them to be first of all, the order intake without TTS was down eight percentage points. But then and the way I look at the macro overall as a business, you have more than over EUR250 million of high profitable services business. Now we have struggled in the equipment side of the business due to the low volumes and then some of the projects we had last year. Now we are well on the way to actually correct that situation. We are executing the TTS strategy, as Samiko was saying, slightly ahead of the time and this is all self help. And we will bring the cost level down on that one and obviously, the aim is to make the equipment business neutral, first of all, so it will be on breakeven level. And then when the market starts to recover and will eventually start to recover, this is a fantastic opportunity for MacroGorb because we will be having much better leverage. Our cost base is different than it was previously in both companies in a combined effort and we will be able then to really leverage that much lower cost base into the recovery market on top of the already profitable services business. That's very clear. Thank you. And my second question is around cash flow. And it's very interesting to see some working capital buildup despite quite considerable revenue contraction. Could you maybe talk a little bit about why working capital has been such a big headwind in Q2? And how should we think about in H2 this year? Yes. As said, we have been reducing accounts receivable. But in inventories, we have seen increasing kind of inventory days or lower inventory turnovers, and these are driven by some constraints in the supply chain. So we have, for example, work in progress due to some missing components. We have a very tight focus on inventories, receivables as well as accounts payables and, of course, very much try to optimize that, keep the inventories on an optimal level. Target is to make positive cash flow also for the second half of the year, very much depending on the market situation, but positive cash flow is the target. I think with the situation stabilizing, better more reliable logistics services, our MAUs and our suppliers getting back to the more normal operating movement, we have very good opportunities to drive down to inventory days in the second half as well. Right. Thank you very much. And the last question is around the profit bridge for the remaining part of the year. Could you maybe help us with the major moving parts like mix, whether there is any FX impact from KIAB or anything else we need to be aware of in terms of modeling our H2 bridge, please? I think some of the elements are fairly solid. The backlog in the project and Automation covers the year. Same situation in MacGregor Equipment business, we have the backlog covering the year. In higher band, the CALMAC Mobile Solutions case, the order intake in Q3 still has an implication for the Q4 revenues and profitability, and that's the one that is sort of harder to predict at this stage. We expect the temporary cost savings to continue, if not at full extent, to a certain extent, at least throughout the year, probably to a very large extent similar to the Q2 and Q3. And then depending on situation, it's still early to predict on the Q4 on that one. I think those will be probably the biggest elements of the bridge. Yes. And I don't expect that we should have in higher, for example, from currencies, major up or downside effects. There is certain backlog to be delivered. And even if the currencies would significantly change, those would not necessarily have a major impact for this year. Okay. That's very clear. Thank you very much for your very sense. We'll now take our next question. Hi. This is Johan at Kepler Cheuvreux. Congratulations to a fairly decent performance during these tough times. I have some questions, though, regarding what you mentioned about the order potential in MacGregor seemingly coming out of China. Do you have some sort of agreement that you're not allowed to cooperate in the market, TTS and MacGregor? Would that have any sort of negative impact on your potential to gain any merchant orders or ship drilling orders in China in the recovery? I think that practically means that as long as the orders are primarily for the Chinese shipping lines supported by the Chinese government, those orders are likely to land into the TTS joint venture, but that's, of course, part of our operations and then help them. And again, we don't consolidate joint ventures similar that the TTS used to do. So you will see the operating profit impact, not the order or revenue impact on that one. And by the way, there are eleven months to go on that competitive restriction. So we expect to be able then to sort of look into integrating our operations in China more together after that one. Okay, good. And then coming back to CALMAR and the automated torch, can you make a good case on productivity performance of the automated port versus a manually operated port during this pandemic, both lockdowns and sickness levels, etcetera, potentially impacting it? Do you have any sort of good data to share? I would need to look into that one. Honestly, we've been probably a bit too busy. And obviously, the port performance is affected by the external impacts as well. So obviously, the lockdowns impact the capability to deliver into and from port as well. But generally speaking, I think when you obviously have to deal with a considerable lower level of employees, your safety is completely different. You can operate remotely from the different locations in some of these cases. So I think there's a good case to be made, but honestly, I would need to look into that one a little bit. And maybe a good point to come back to when this situation clears a little bit and then compare the performance is automated versus manual. Yes. Looking forward to that. That's all my questions. Thank you very much. It appears that there are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you for active participation and good questions and good answers. Q3 report will be published on October 22. Before that, I hope that you have some time to enjoy the summer, and please stay safe and healthy. Thank you. Thank you.