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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Jul 20, 2023

Aki Vesikallio
Vice President of Investor Relations, Cargotec

Welcome to Cargotec's Q2 2023 results call. My name is Aki Vesikallio. I'm from Cargotec's IR. Today's results will be presented by our CEO, Casimir Lindholm, CFO, Mikko Puolakka, Kalmar's President, Michel van Roozendaal, and Hiab's President, Scott Phillips. Please pay attention to the disclaimer in the presentation, as we will be making forward-looking statements. With that, over to you, Casimir.

Casimir Lindholm
President and CEO, Cargotec

Thank you, Aki. Before going to the Q2 results, a few words around the planned separation of Kalmar and Hiab. The work is progressing according to plan. All streams are up and running, and as example of that preparation, we have recruited Sakari Ahdekivi as CFO of Kalmar. Sakari joined us on the 1st of July, just as an example of how we are preparing for what to come. To the Q2, all in all, a strong quarter for Cargotec. Record high comparable operating profit. We have orders that are below the previous quarter and comparable quarter. I'll come back to that a bit later. Sales increased by 25%, and there are some circumstances there that we will explain in more detail.

That was a bit higher than we even anticipated. Then really happy to see, the comparable operating profit clearly improving in all three business area and areas, and particularly, strong, development in MacGregor compared to last year's Q2. Orders, are back on pre-COVID level, we can see that there. In 2021 and 2022, of course, we had extremely strong orders. We are back in a more normalized world in that sense, looking at the historical development over the last five years. That said, we are still, on a clearly above historical average regarding the order book, and that is, of course, a strong message, for the end of, and the second half of 2023, give us a good, look at 2024 as well.

We will, of course, take actions, as we announced in the capital markets day in November last year. We are looking at actions to protect our margins and stay above the 10% margin, even if we see some challenges in the market compared to the strong 2021 and 2022 order intake that we had. The sales developed, as mentioned before, even a bit stronger than we anticipated. One part of it is that we have semi-finished goods that we were able to deliver. We got maybe a bit more components to those than anticipated, and that improved the sales even above our expectations. And that, of course, then had an impact and a positive impact on the operating profit as well. Again, here, all three business areas contributing in a very positive way to the operating profit.

Service orders, this is, of course, strategically a very important area for us, continued to grow. This is a part where we invest also going forward to make sure that we are improving on the service part, both regarding orders and profitability. Again, here, all three business areas performed on a very good level. The eco portfolio is key for us going forward as well. We'll invest in R&D to make sure that we are also, in the future, strong in the eco portfolio. We continue to grow eco portfolio sales by 26%, and again, an area where we'll invest more in the future. Of course, one example is electrification within Kalmar. That is key for us going forward. With that, I will leave over the word to Michel.

Michel will go through the results for Kalmar.

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

Thank you, Casimir. Thank you. Good morning, good afternoon. My name is Michel van Roozendaal, President of Kalmar. Also from my side, a warm welcome to Sakari, who's gonna strengthen the team of Kalmar. I'm really a happy President here to be reporting to you a record comparable operating profit in Kalmar. Last quarter, we had the highest percentage. Now, we have the highest comparable operating profit in absolute EUR. The margin expansion is driven in essence, we come back to that in a bit more detail, by the higher deliveries. Also our commitment to decarbonization, helping our customers on their journey to make cargo handling, heavy load handling, more sustainable, was basically underpinned by two main events. We introduced a fully electric straddle carrier at an event in Rotterdam, in the Netherlands. Also we see growing orders for our electric portfolio.

We are basically living up to our commitment towards decarbonization. We did see, however, indeed, some softening in demand. Orders are, in essence, back to pre-COVID level. Let me dive into a bit more detail here. As said, we see some slowness, and that's mainly because, in essence, in the larger project side, people are taking a little bit more time to define their orders. Service orders are, however, stable, which is good. That basically is a commitment to our relationship with our end customer, and the fact that our total fleet is being maintained, and really, people are relying on Kalmar for doing that. In the comparison period, you'll see a bit of a difference between Q2 of last year. We had a very significant large order, which basically explains the essence of the change there, but we, of course, like large orders.

Again, the order book remains above historical average, both in units and in value. We see some softening, but at the same time, it brings us back to a more normal pre-COVID situation. If I talk about the sales side, we see a robust execution of both the equipment and the service delivery. I come back to talk about that because execution is really a focus area for us, for Kalmar. Really, we like to sort of execute like clockwork, and we see that happening there. We see an improved efficiency in supply chain management, basically testimony of the point I just made, but it is true that volatility remains.

We still see some challenges with our supply chain, with certain components that makes our job a little bit more difficult, because every now and then, we are surprised by yet another supplier who has shortages, which makes our life a bit more difficult. Stronger execution has resulted in decreased lead times, and that is also seen by our customers. They now can see that lead times are back to a normal situation, and that also means that they need to no longer order with a view that deliveries are coming in more than a year time. That, in part, also explains, I guess, some of the softening of the order there. Service, again, we are executing very, very, very strongly on the service side, and our service capture rate is growing, and it's driving continued growth in service sales.

We're getting a bigger part of the pie from a service perspective, and we're pleased with that. If I now move on to the real, I should say, proud result we have, margin expansion is driven to a large extent by higher deliveries. We're pleased that we have that, and we have that ability. We are levering up quite nicely, and that has led to this very, very strong level of operating profit. Margin is supported by this deliveries of these semi-finished goods, which were waiting basically on the yards because one or two parts were missing, and when these parts were coming, it was easier to deliver those. Still, we see that our factories, our supply chain, our teams have worked hard to make that happen and have learned to be agile in this very volatile environment.

We're pleased that we are able to deliver those units to our customers who are in need of those units, because they rely on that to keep global supply chains going and to have their industrial operations moving on, based and working with Kalmar equipment. Successful management of inflationary pressure, of component availability is important, what also means that we are able to sort of, like, translate that into a price level to our customers and see our customers also accept those price levels that are a reflection of the inflation, which is real, both in commodities like steel, as well as in components, which have also a large labor component. We all know that labor has come, of course, with wage inflation everywhere, so that we are able to manage in a good way.

Last but not least, as you might remember, you will remember, we have discontinued, stopped our heavy crane business and also the losses as a result of that. As we are limiting the execution of that leftover portfolio, they have once more been reduced. In that sense, a solid quarter, not entirely unhappy, to use a Finnish expression. With that note, I am happy to hand over to Scott Phillips.

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

Thank you, Michel. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the results section for the Hiab Business Area. Overall, I would summarize the quarter as one in which our teams delivered excellent performance, both operationally and financially, with all key performance indicators improving both sequentially and year-over-year, with the exception of the order intake, which remains at a lower level compared to last year's run rate by 17% for the Q3 in a row, due to the continuation of delays in purchase decisions amongst most of our customer segments. Our focus on operational excellence and the effective collaboration with all of our suppliers has led to a nice improvement in sales, which resulted in improved profitability versus last year's comparable period, which also led to a good sequential improvement in cash flow, which I'm quite pleased about.

I'm quite pleased with the development of our eco portfolio solutions, which contributed to 27% of our order intake and 24% of sales in the period. Excellent progress by our teams in developing and commercializing our sustainable offering. Speaking of the offering development, I'm pleased with the overall impact our innovations over the past five years are having to our results, as approximately 40% of our equipment sales are coming from innovations within this period, delivering improved safety, productivity, and lower carbon footprint for our customers. During the first half of the year, we had also a number of new product launches, two of which I would like to highlight. One of which is the launch of our new 135 ton meter super heavy crane under our Effer brand, so the iQ1400...

offering our customers 39 meters of vertical reach, with an all-new power and motion control system operated by our Olsbergs branded CombiDrive4 remote control, giving the operators unparalleled power, precision, and ease of use. With this solution, our customers will have unmatched lifting and reach capability on a smaller vehicle chassis, enabling lower operating cost and reduced carbon footprint. We're quite proud of that. The second innovation I'd like to highlight is the new universal control unit for our ZEPRO tail lifts, which gives our customers a reliable and an intuitive user control interface to help the operators have smoother, safer, and more efficient way of operating the lifting systems. Now I will guide you through the figures for the quarter, starting with the order intake.

We had a 1% decline sequentially, and 28% decline year-over-year in our order intake. This is coming off of a tough comparable period. You'll keep in mind that we had 2 important factors. One, we had a number of large orders that we knew would not repeat, and secondly, we had a significant amount of pre-buy effect in advance of a price increase that we had announced earlier in the quarter that materialized in Q3. The underlying run rate is still driven by 3 factors that I talked about last quarter, and that's lead times for truck chassis, which still remain well over a year, with unstable delivery precision, if you will. That's still more than double the period before 2021.

Acquisition costs remain much higher due to inflation, and the interest rates are, of course, 4 to 5 times higher. These factors are continued to lead our customers and channel partners to delay purchase decisions. I highlight again that the quote activity in the quarter remained on a good level in all geographic regions, so overall sentiment remains the same amongst customers we serve compared to the prior quarter. Turning your attention to the sales, our team of more than 4,000 colleagues, together with our partners, delivered a solid result in the quarter of EUR 485 million, which is our highest quarter to date, representing a 12% improvement sequentially, and 20% growth versus last year's Q2 revenue of EUR 404 million, with all divisions contributing to the positive variance.

The volume growth, much like we reported last period, is a combination of unit volume and price effect, with each contributing about equally. I'm really pleased with how our sourcing and supply chain teams, together with our suppliers, are executing our plans to build flexibility in our end-to-end processes, enabling our divisions to continue to perform well in converting the backlog, despite the fact that we continue to experience unexpected component shortages. Wrapping up on the operating profit side, the team delivered a strong result as our sequential earnings improved by 33% on 12% growth in revenues, and 31% year-over-year on the 20% sales growth I talked about in the previous slide. The change in profitability was mostly due to sales, also helped somewhat by slightly improved gross margins. All in all, a solid quarter.

Really proud of the execution, that our teams, our channel partners, and our suppliers have helped enable this strong result. That wraps it up from my side. I'll hand it over to you, Mikko.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

Good morning also from my side. If Kalmar and Hiab performed well in Q2 , so did MacGregor with EUR 10 million comparable operating profit for the Q2. In Q2, about 90% of MacGregor order intake was related to merchant ships. Service orders grew almost 17%. We continue to see very lively merchant vessel market, especially in car carriers, heavy lifting, and container vessels. As many of us know, many shipyards are full at the moment, offering delivery times for 2025 or even beyond. Therefore, some merchant customers of MacGregor may not always see the urgency to place the orders with MacGregor immediately. This is very visible in merchant division Q2 order intake.

Offshore wind market is also active, and on a good level. However, we have been very, very selective with the offshore orders, as we want to first stabilize that business's financial performance. MacGregor Q2 sales growth came from merchant and services, supported by the past quarters, I would say 4 quarters orders. Offshore sales was flat. The Q2 profitability was very much driven by the service and merchant sales growth, as well as favorable product mix, especially in the merchant deliveries. Offshore was still loss-making, even though the loss was slightly smaller than year ago. We estimate that most of the loss-making projects in the offshore business will be completed this year. Some tails, still going to 2024. MacGregor first half comparable operating profit margin was 3.4%.

If we would exclude the offshore wind business, that margin would have been 9% in the first half. We continue with MacGregor Offshore restructuring, and our target is to reduce costs by EUR 14 million on annual basis during this year. Couple of highlights of our financial performance. As you saw already earlier, we have a very solid order book, where the larger sale of share of orders are now reflecting the price increases, what we have been made, making during 2021, 2022. Even if MacGregor Offshore is loss-making, it's good to remember that the offshore division order book represents roughly 4% of Cargotec's order book. It's a fairly tiny portion of the overall order book.

eco portfolio equipment and the services sales has continuously grown and was 30% of our total sales now in Q2. Our first half comparable operating profit increased by 90%, driven especially by strong performance in our core businesses, Kalmar and Hiab. In addition, MacGregor first half result improved by EUR 24 million, and also the heavy cranes, which we are exiting as we speak, heavy cranes profitability was EUR 9 million better year on year in the first half. Kalmar and Hiab, 23% sales growth took the core businesses' profitability to all-time high level, 14.7% in the Q2. Cargotec Q2 operating profit was EUR 151 million, all-time high. This is 12.5%.

We had in our operating profit, EUR 8 million Items affecting comparability. Out of this, EUR 6 million was related to the planned separation of Kalmar and Hiab. When looking our cash flow, despite the strong Q2 EBITDA, which was EUR 179 million, the Q2 cash flow was only EUR 41 million, slightly better than a year ago. Cash flow was still very much burdened by the high Net working capital. The Q2 Net working capital growth was EUR 136 million. Now, this time in Q2, the Net working capital growth came mainly from accounts receivables due to the high revenues in the Q2. Inventories grew EUR 30 million, compared to over EUR 100 million growth in Q1.

Despite the high net working capital, we continue to have a strong balance sheet and liquidity. Our gearing was 32%. The increase from December was mainly driven by the EUR 87 million dividend payment, which we did in April. We have been able to keep our cost of debt at a low level. 60% of our interest-bearing debt is with fixed interest rate, and our current average interest rate on liabilities is 2.7%. During the next 12 months, we have roughly EUR 300 million of bank loans and bonds maturing, and these maturities we plan to cover from existing cash, future cash flows, and then also partially refinancing with new loans. Our guidance for this year is unchanged. We have our guidance in two parts.

The core businesses, meaning Kalmar and Hiab, minus the group costs, we expect to improve from 2023, and after the first half, these businesses are EUR 96 million better year on year. This improvement is very much coming from the volume growth, also the measures to mitigate the inflation impact. The second part of our guidance is related to MacGregor, and we expect MacGregor result to be positive. In the profitability drivers here are mainly the volume increase in merchant and services, as you have seen in the first half of this year, also the ongoing restructuring of MacGregor Offshore business.

Aki Vesikallio
Vice President of Investor Relations, Cargotec

Thank you, Mikko, thank you also Casimir, Scott, and Michel, I would like to welcome you back to the stage to join Mikko for the Q&A session. Operator, we are ready for the first question.

Operator

If you wish to ask a question, please dial star five on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial star five again on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Antti Kansanen from SEB. Please go ahead.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Hi, all. It's Antti from SEB. Thanks for taking my questions. First on, well, basically both Kalmar and Hiab, if you look at kind of your backlog situation and your delivery schedules, how long is kind of the lead times? How much would you expect that you kind of realize into revenues in second half? What I'm trying to get is that now that we are seeing the order patterns perhaps normalizing, when do you expect that to kind of hit your production volumes and kind of the P&L metrics in both of those divisions?

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

Yes, thank you for the question. A valid question. For Kalmar, I would explain that as follows: In the past, we saw. That is during the difficult time with the supply chain disruptions, we saw lead times, being north of 12 months, between 12 and 18 months. Now it's normalizing back to a pre-COVID situation of, say, 6 to 12 months.

from an order backlog, and of course, you have to realize logically that there is no backlog for service, in essence, because that is mainly spare parts which are book in turn, mostly in the months, if not in, if not faster. For the new builds, we are covered to a very large extent for the rest of 2023, but we have a backlog that basically stretches into 2024, and for some specific projects, even a little bit later than that. We are quite well at that stage, endowed with a solid backlog over the rest of the year and then stretching into the next year.

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

Yeah, from the Hiab side, Antti, we have a little bit over EUR 1 billion of backlog. That also takes us into 2024. We certainly have some of our factories where we'll adjust production levels through the balance of the year. We expect those to materialize with, should have a relative similar impact to the P&L as we've seen in the prior months periods up to this year. We're well covered. In terms of lead times, we're still a bit constrained by the truck lead times, which of course I mentioned as an impact to our order intake. Still a slight impact in terms of our ability to convert.

Our internal lead times are back to pre-COVID levels. We can go as fast as the truck chassis availability would allow. We're well positioned in that regard. With the truck OEM still at well over a year of lead time, we expect that to remain throughout the balance of the year.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

All right. That's very clear. I mean, you are referring overall that kind of the order levels are now back to pre-COVID levels. Obviously, pricing is so much higher today. I'm just thinking, where you see kind of the underlying demand and the market and the sales funnels at the moment? I mean, I guess there's now a negative impact that people are waiting for those lead times to kind of shorten and are postponing decision-making. Would it be a fair assumption that the underlying demand is perhaps a bit higher, what your order intake kind of indicates right now?

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

That's absolutely correct from the Hiab side. The underlying demand factors still are quite strong. Quote activity still remains on balance at a good level. Of course, the word amongst all of the geographies that we serve and customer segments are, the decision-making is delayed to a large extent.

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

Yes, from a Kalmar perspective, Antti, I would simply concur with how you answered your own question. Yes, I agree.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

Then in MacGregor's case.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

In MacGregor's case, like I said, it's very much that the market, overall market activity is actually on a good level, but due to the congestion in the shipyards, customers don't necessarily see the urgency to place the order with MacGregor as the vessel delivery times are longer than what MacGregor's delivery time is.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay. Perhaps the last question from my side is on pricing. I mean, now that there's a bit of hesitancy to order, is there any pressure on price realization? I mean, I guess you're seeing still component prices not falling, but some of the raw mats have come down substantially. Is there a pressure to maybe correct your prices downwards going forward?

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

From a Kalmar perspective, I would say commercially, there's always been price pressure. None of our customers liked it when we had to adjust prices, so that is a constant reality in the outer trenches, if you like, for our sales force. At this stage, we don't expect that we need to reduce prices, so that we are holding, but indeed, the upwards development is basically tapering up or off, or has tapered off.

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

From the Hiab side, I'd say I'd echo the same thing, that our customers would, of course, love for pricing to come down. I think that there is a bit of a wait and see mentality in that regard as component pricing, just as you alluded to, Antti, has not come down to a level that matches some of the commodity price indexes for various factors. Energy, logistics, as well as labor components are significantly up. Logistics have come down if you compare year-over-year, but still at a much higher level as compared to pre-COVID levels.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

All right. Very clear. Thanks so much.

Operator

The next question comes from unknown caller from number ending in 8457. Please go ahead.

Panu Laitinmäki
Head of Equity Research, Danske Bank

Thank you. It's Panu Laitinmäki from Danske Bank. I have a few questions. Maybe continuing on the previous topic on pricing. How much roughly was pricing impact on the order in taking Q2? Was it already kind of flat-ish or was there an increase?

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

What we would say, if I widen that, we've been roughly seen over the last 2 years, a price increase in total of about 20%. Of course, that's a bit of a mix, if you like. It's not all across the board, a solid 20%. That's how I would answer that question.

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

Sequentially, from the Hiab side, sequentially flat, year-over-year, up about 10%.

Panu Laitinmäki
Head of Equity Research, Danske Bank

Okay. Thank you. I have a couple of questions on Kalmar. I mean, can you, in any way, quantify what was the impact from this semi-finished product deliveries on margins or revenue in Q2? Also, I mean, I recall that previously you commented that the heavy cranes should make a single-digit EUR million loss this year. Is this still the case? What I'm kind of trying to get is the underlying margin in Kalmar, if you strip these two factors out.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

If I commence with the latter. Indeed, the losses of the heavy cranes are in a single-digit area and are improving in the comparable, should I say quarter, Q2 of last year. That is getting better. We have, if I remember correctly, about EUR 4 million less compared to what we had about a year ago. That is basically being executed according to plan. Indeed, it is true, and that was also the headline, that the bulk of the margin expansion is related to our ability to sort of have these semi-finished goods basically being transferred into finished products, if you like. That's been helpful. I think that has been a trend for total of Cargotec.

At the same time, of course, we are working to make our supply chains more efficient, but in this case, we would clearly see that the big explanation for our good Q2 result has been basically our ability to have a very, very strong execution of our backlog, and our customers are happy with that. On the Cargotec level in Q2, we were able to deliver roughly EUR 90 million, more than what we anticipated in the beginning of the quarter. This is mainly related to Kalmar and Hiab. If you remember a couple of years ago, we had a development to other direction. We were thinking that we deliver certain volume, and we were not able to deliver that because of the component availability.

It's going a bit to the other direction, like happened in Q1, reflecting the very volatile supply situation. Still, the truck chassis availability as well as then component availability, as elaborated by Michel and Scott.

Panu Laitinmäki
Head of Equity Research, Danske Bank

Okay, thank you. A final question on the working capital. I mean, cash flow didn't really increase as much as the earnings, and I would assume that the working capital would kind of be released when you are able to deliver. Like, what are your thoughts on this? When should we see the cash flow release from that?

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

The expectation is that we should start to release some cash from the net working capital in the second half of this year. As also mentioned in my section, actually, the inventory growth in the Q2 was already smaller than what we saw in the Q1, when it was more than EUR 100 million, and that in the Q2 it was, well, only EUR 30 million still growing. The biggest growth in the net working capital in the Q2 was in accounts receivable, of course, which will then materialize as cash in the latter part of this year.

Panu Laitinmäki
Head of Equity Research, Danske Bank

Okay, that's all from me. Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question comes from Tom Skogman from Carnegie. Please go ahead.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research, Carnegie

Yes, good morning. This is Tom. Congratulations on a good set of numbers. I wonder about the US dollar impact in this quarter and also what is kind of your exposure to the US dollar kind of changes? I assume that deliveries in the Q2 came from orders booked, and the US dollar was very strong. Is that right?

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

Overall, if we look what was the currency impact, or if we look the orders and the revenues in comparable currencies using the last year's currency rate, we had approximately 2% units headwind in orders and in sales.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research, Carnegie

That's not really the question. The question is, I mean, you hedge your orders when they were booked last year at very favorable Dollar rates. Now you delivered from those.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

Yes. When we hedge, then we don't take any view on the currency, meaning that, when we hedge, then, basically we lock the currency rate. That's the idea of the hedging.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research, Carnegie

Well.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

The currency impact is coming from the translation impact, meaning that when we are converting the US dollar revenues and profits into our home currency euros, and that impact was roughly 2 percent units negative in the Q2.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research, Carnegie

Isn't it the case that then you kind of hedge the orders booked at very favorable dollar terms last year, and now you have delivered, and you have bought components in, in euros, and you have also had manufacturing costs, you know, with an overweight in euros now? I mean, doesn't that have a positive impact on the EBIT?

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

The hedging basically makes sure that we don't have a positive or negative impact on the margin, what we are planning to deliver in the future. The currency impact, as mentioned, is coming from the translation impact, and it was roughly 2% units negative impact in the Q2.

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

If I can, sort of give a little bit of color from a Kalmar side, one of our significant product streams, not the only one, is basically has a natural hedge because it is products that are being produced in the United States for customers in the United States. In that case, and these are our terminal tractors, the essence, the vast majority of the cost components are actually in dollars, so we are neutral in that sense. Then we go back to the translation for our home currency reporting currency in euros, but there's no cost delta there.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research, Carnegie

Okay, thank you. Do you have any guidance on the additional head office costs when you have two companies instead of one company?

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

Not at the moment. As mentioned, we are progressing with the Kalmar and Hiab separation planning. When the plans are mature enough, then presented to the board of directors, then we would come up with more details about the separation, including also the standalone cost development.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research, Carnegie

Would you say that you are running kind of faster than initial plans or a bit slower than initial plans? Or is the best guess still that there will be two companies from the 1st of January, 2025?

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

We are progressing according to plan, so the separation, the planned separation of Kalmar and Hiab is according to plan, and what we announced on the 27th of April is valid.

Tom Skogman
Head of Research, Carnegie

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Tomi Railo from DNB. Please go ahead.

Tomi Railo
Head of Equity Research, DNB

Good morning, everyone. This is Tomi from DNB. Coming back to the drivers in the Q2 profitability improvement, and maybe also for the sort of, forecasting purposes. I'm trying to get the sense, and if you could comment maybe by ranking, what are the main drivers in profitability, improvement or expansion? Volumes, pricing, the sale of, or sales of, semi-finished goods, supply chain improvement, execution, cost management? Basically, trying to get the sense that, anyway, when pricing starts to fade, when you have less semi-finished goods to be sold, et cetera. Again, anyway, what are the normalized profitability levels?

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

Maybe, Scott, you can start for one.

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

Yeah, sure. On the Hiab side, it's pretty straightforward. On the volume side, most of the profit was driven from an increase in volume, as I alluded to on, I think, the sales revenue slide. That is comprised of a couple of components. That's actual unit volume, and the other half of that story is pricing. We had a slight improvement in gross margin, as I talked about, on the same slide or on the next slide in the profitability piece, and that comes primarily from a couple of our divisions making significant improvements. Nice mix in this, in the services part of our business. Recurring revenues are up, and so we had a record level of profitability in that division as well. Mostly volume.

Volume is two pieces, actual volume and pricing, and slight gross margin improvement.

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

Yes, and from a Kalmar perspective, I would give a very similar answer. As I alluded and repeated later on, we had the benefit of these semi-finished goods, so that led to a volume increase. Of course, we are delivering then on the backlog and that helps the top line. Of course, there is a pricing component, and we alluded to that as well, and I would say that's number 2. Clearly, what we then refer to as our ability to manage the inflationary pressures, we've been doing that successfully. As said, an earlier question was indeed that we are now seeing that sort of tapering off.

The third component, I would say, not really visible, but aligned with what Scott was just saying, is that we are working on our lean transformation, making our supply chain more efficient. Of course, that's a longer-term game plan, basically underlying transformation of Kalmar to make it ready for our separation. That is basically what the team is working on to make us more robust and more able to manage the cycles of the business, the natural cycles of demand here.

Tomi Railo
Head of Equity Research, DNB

Very clear. Thank you. On the demand side, if you could talk a little bit about the end markets, construction, building, trucks, ports, et cetera. Where are we in terms of activity hesitation, which we have already seen for some quarters?

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

Yeah, I can start on that one as well. In the Nordics, I think as you're well familiar with, the new construction piece of the business is down. That's probably where much of the pressure is coming from there. Having said that, defense is significantly up, and we see the opportunity funnel growing there as well. Waste and recycling still remains quite strong. The quote activity is quite robust. Of course, we see a number of delays in decisions there as well. Some of that's tied into what's going on both at the local and the national level, in terms of the politics and the regulatory environment.

Our last mile and retail piece is holding up quite nicely, and we see strong quote activity as well as order growth there as well. It's a bit of a mixed bag for us overall. I'd say where we're most under pressure is probably construction. Europe, a little bit, softer as compared to North America, and that shows up in our connected machine activity levels as well. Activity levels in Europe were above expectations, but slightly below the positive variance in the North America side of our business.

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

Yeah, this allows me to basically come back to one of the changes in Kalmar. As you will recall, we have discontinued our heavy crane business. That means that we are less dependent on the large port, large terminal business than we were before. At this stage, we see that a little bit more than half, we typically tend to say 55% of our business is port-related. Then within ports, you see a shift from the larger ones to more activity at the medium size and the smaller terminals. What you see at this stage is that after the supply shocks of COVID, et cetera, that there is a slowdown, some sort of rebalancing on the large ports, We do see some softness on that one, but at the same time, we are less reliant on that one.

In contrast, we see continued robust demand from industrial segments, which are many. We can talk about metal industrial activity, we can talk about logs, et cetera, forestry, we can talk about windmill erection, and then, of course, also inland activity, which are more driven by e-commerce, warehousing, et cetera. Basically, these segments are doing very well. The large ports are a little bit sort of like rebalancing, and you'll see some softness in that. As said, we are shifting the dependence of Kalmar towards more industrial sectors, and we are less dependent on that maritime supply chain.

Tomi Railo
Head of Equity Research, DNB

Any comments on development during the quarter and maybe at the beginning of the Q3, in terms of activities? Was there a slowdown towards the end of the quarter, and is this EUR 1 billion order intake level a fair assumption, or is there typical seasonality in the Q3? Any comment on that?

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

It's a typical quarter. It's already very difficult to say anything intelligent about that at this stage.

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

From our side, as we've talked about in several quarters in the past, we tend to have the seasonality effect in Q3, where we have less working days as we have, a heavy holiday period in the northern hemisphere.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

In MacGregor's case, it's a very similar kind of pattern, what we saw in the first half of this year. Overall, good customer activity, but then customers or the shipyards are constrained, by the capacity, and that may delay, customers' kind of, activity in placing the order with MacGregor. Overall, good activity on the vessel contracting.

Tomi Railo
Head of Equity Research, DNB

Final question from my side. Any plans or needs for, let's say, immediate capacity adjustments or cost actions? What do you see to adjust for eventually slower demand?

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

In those places where we have seen weakness, we have taken actions, for example, limiting the usage of external workforce, changing the shift patterns and this kind of activities. So observing the situation on daily and weekly basis.

Tomi Railo
Head of Equity Research, DNB

Thank you very much.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial star 5 on your telephone keypad. There are no more questions at this time, I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.

Mikko Puolakka
CFO, Cargotec

Thank you for the great questions and the great answer for Casimir, Mikko, Michelle, and Scott. Our Q3 results will be published 26th of October. Stay tuned and see you on the road during the upcoming quarter. Thank you.

Scott Phillips
President, Hiab, Hiab

Thank you.

Michel van Roozendaal
President, Kalmar, Cargotec

Thank you.

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