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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Jul 21, 2022

Hanna-Maria Heikkinen
VP of Investor Relations, Wärtsilä

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to this news conference for Wärtsilä's half-year report 2022. My name is Hanna-Maria Heikkinen. I'm in charge of investor relations. Today, our CEO, Håkan Agnevall, will start with the group highlights, followed by the business area development, and then our CFO, Arjen Berends, will continue with the key financials. After the presentation, there is a possibility to ask questions. Time to start. Please, Håkan.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Thank you, Hanna-Maria, and thank you, everybody, for joining us. Let's jump into the second quarter for Wärtsilä. Some really good news on the service order intake side. Service order increased by 36% and throughout the business. Also on the overall order intake, we had a positive development. Order intake increased by 25%. Strong order intake in a still a market with a lot of uncertainty, but we are making good progress. Net sales increased by 24%.

Also on the services, we see that service net sales is developing in a positive way with increased service net sales of 18%. Comparable operating result also increased by 20%.

Cost inflations, supply chain bottlenecks, COVID-related lockdowns in China, and sanctions in Russia have put and continues to put the global economy under pressure and caused challenges also for us, but still we managed to grow our order intake. Starting point also two very important announcement from Wärtsilä. If we start with the most recent one this morning, this morning we confirmed that our exit from the Russian market has now been completed.

All adjustments and closures were completed in accordance with local regulations. The financial impact is in line with the provisions that we took already in the first quarter, and no material impact on our financials in the second quarter.

Earlier, we have also announced the plan to further optimize our European engine manufacturing footprint, ramping down our factory in Trieste, Italy, and centralizing our four-stroke engine manufacturer to Vaasa in Finland. This means taking the next step in strengthening our competitiveness and creating a structure enabled for future growth. Italy and Trieste will continue to be very important for Wärtsilä in many areas. Now we are highly committed, working very closely together with unions and institutions to identify different support solutions for the impacted employees.

This has not been an easy decision for Wärtsilä to take. Coming back to the overview of the figures, we will talk through them. I highlight a couple of the first half year.

I mean, we had a good second quarter, but also a good first half year with order intake up overall 18%. We have an order book that is up 13% and our comparable operating result also from a first half year up 35%. If we look at the highlights of the second quarter, we see that net sales came in at EUR 1.4 billion, 18% increase in service sales, strong contributor. The comparable operating results landed at EUR 85 million, growing 20% and strongly supported by higher sales volumes.

You also see that our operating margin kind of stabilized at 6.1%, and one could expect the operating margin to continue to develop in a positive way given our increased sales. Here we are also facing headwinds in terms of cost inflation, which is impacting our existing order backlog. We are also facing challenges with under absorption in our industrial system.

We also said earlier that 2022 is a new build year, so the mix between new build and services weighs over a little bit more than normal to the new build side. We know that the profit margins on the service side is higher. These are a bit of the headwinds, so to say, but we are moving in the right direction.

On the marine market, activities are at a good level. Investments in new vessels eased off a bit due to increased prices and also fewer available slots at key shipyards. There is also some uncertainties related to future demand for tonnage. The number of vessels orders in Q2 decreased to 701 compared to 829 in Q2 last year. Vessels contracting has been driven by container ship and a record level LNG carrier ordering.

LNG carrier market activities has improved significantly during the Q2, as many countries in Europe are looking at replacing Russian pipeline gas with LNG from other sources. On the cruise side, at the end of June, 90% of the cruise capacity was active, up from 70% end of March.

When I talk to our key customers on the cruise side, I think they have a very optimistic view on demand side here in the months and the year to come. On the energy market, markets are affected by global cost inflation and price volatility. But we also see the continued trend of increasing demand of balancing solutions. Cost inflation and continued COVID-19 pandemic have contributed to higher quotation prices. Increase of cost of supply and higher LNG prices have also caused slower customer decision-making.

We see that. The market transforms as Europe is moving away from dependency on Russian import, and more liquefied LNG projects are moving forward globally.

We see an increasing level of intermittent renewable energy that is expected, and we do see an acceleration in the need for balancing solutions. Storage growth is picking up after a slow first quarter. You've seen that in Q2. It's really taking pace again after, I would say, a digestion of the new cost and price level in the market. Service growth continues at a good level, and customers really show interest in our long-term agreements. Our market share, the overall market share in the gas and liquid fuel power plants also increased a notch now to 9%. Order intake was up by 25%.

Equipment order intake increased by 13%, service by 36%, and what is really encouraging, on the services side, we do see that the major driver of the growth in the second quarter was around agreements. You know, we have been talking about moving up the service value ladder, and we see it happening gradually, as we go forward. We have a strong order book and this is despite that we have now in the second quarter removed EUR 240 million of Russian-related projects.

You also see that, if you look at the share of delivery of the current year, this year, this share has increased compared to previous years. Net sales increased by 24%.

Equipment net sales increased by 31%, and service net sales increased by 18%, so positive development in both areas, and throughout the business. Now, technology and partnership highlights. Moving on our way to shaping the decarbonization of marine and energy. What is happening? I think on the hydrogen side, we have some really interesting partnerships here. Two very concrete examples where the blending of hydrogen starts to be tried on the energy side. We have a collaboration with Capwatt in Portugal, and we test up to 10% green hydrogen blends in our 34SG engines.

In the US, we blend up even up to 25% of hydrogen, and that will be tested in cooperation with WEC Energy Group, where they have a current plant running on three of our 50SG engines. We also launched a new large bore engines, our 46 TS dual fuel engine. It has a modular design. It's part of our modular platform, with a focus on efficiency. We are really taking fuel efficiency and therefore reducing emissions to the next level.

We keep the fuel flexibility, which will be needed as we talk about the gradual shift to different type of fuels. In gas fuel mode, this engine has the highest efficiency in the industry so far, achieved in the medium speed engine market.

We also really celebrated our opening of our Sustainable Technology Hub in Vaasa, Finland. This is a new technology center where we invite customers, partners, and companies, academia to come together to incubate, test, and validate ideas, evolving a lot around the new fuels and the new sustainable solutions. We need to increase the pace of innovation. It also features a modern fuel laboratory, flexible technology and engine testing facilities, as well as a highly automated production system.

It's on land, but it's also at sea because we have a great cooperation around the Aurora Botnia, RoPax ferry in Vaasa, which actually is a floating test lab for us, which is an integrated part of the whole ecosystem. Now, if we look at the businesses, let's see how the businesses have evolved.

For Marine Power, order intake and net sales increased. Service order intake is up here also 36%. Overall, the order intake, you can see it's up 21%, net sales with 8%. Our comparable operating result is going from EUR 44 million to EUR 45 million. On the positive side, strong services sales. What is holding it back is the factory capacity, the under absorption, also the cost inflation, both on materials and logistics on the existing order backlog.

We do a lot of testing on fuels, and the fuel costs are going up, which is affecting the profitability. Then we also carry cost to ramp up the Sustainable Technology Hub, STH, this year.

If we look at the service agreements, they are really growing and the net sales from the installations under agreement is clearly increasing. Here I think is a great example. Maran Gas has extended their optimized maintenance agreements for an additional five years. These agreements ensures that operation they can run safely in a controlled way, but also with predictable cost for their fleet of 21 LNG carriers.

In addition to the maintenance service, this agreement includes remote operational support, dynamic maintenance planning, and our digital predictive maintenance solution based on our Expert Insight platform. Already today, Marine Power is supporting globally more than 700 vessels with our lifecycle agreements. One interesting metric, we solved 90% of the cases remotely.

For me, a very strong proof point of the whole logic and the whole concept is that we have a very high renewal rate with our customers. Customers that have signed up for agreements, they come back and they wanna prolong. Maran Gas is one great example. Looking at Marine Systems, net sales increased. Order intake and comparable operating result decreased. Order intake went down with 24%.

I think on the new build, one year ago, we had a spike in our Gas Solutions order intakes. It's a bit of a periodization. On the services side, there is also this year a bit of a periodization, but order intake is down. Net sales is up.

In spite of the higher sales, you still see that the comparable operating result is going from 13 to 11. On the positive side, we have higher sales volume, but on the negative side, we have an unfavorable mix between equipment and services, and we also see the pressure from cost deflation in our existing order backlog. Voyage order intake increased, but the Russia exit impacted clearly the sales and profitability negatively.

However, I would really like to recognize the significant efforts and commitment from the Voyage team in rebuilding the business in new locations outside of Russia, keeping 100% focus on the customer and really delivering. That has been a monumental effort, and now we have taken a significant step. Order intake up 8%, net sales down 15%.

You can see operating results -11, -12. On the positive side, we had a favorable sales mix between services and equipment, but we had a lower sales volumes. I mean, we also had the cost related to ramp down of our R&D capabilities and building up outside of Russia again, so to say. If we see how our cloud solutions are evolving, we continue to see the increase now, 23% increase in connected vessels.

We also closed the acquisition of PortLink, and I will say this acquisition as one example of the type of acquisitions we wanna do going forward. It's bolt-on acquisitions where we acquire maybe small or mid-sized companies with certain critical edge in technology or service capabilities.

PortLink is a leading provider of port efficiency solutions. It was founded in 2007, and it is headquartered in Vancouver, Canada. It has a global partnership with more than 3,500 users and a customer network in more than 20 countries. The workforce is 20 professionals. It's not a big team, but it's a really good team. They will be integrated now in the Wärtsilä Voyage business.

This acquisition will speed up Voyage journey towards creating an end-to-end connected maritime ecosystem with intelligent port logistics solutions. Energy. You can see the lady was smiling. Energy, significant improvement in all key figures. Service order intake up by 56%. If you look at the order intake overall, it's up 51%.

If we just zoom in on our battery storage business, it was up 91%. Also the thermal side was up with 34%. Net sales up with 52%, and we can see that the comparable operating result going from 24 up to 41. Major driver is the sales as a service volume growth, but also energy is working with cost inflation. It's a headwind in existing order backlog.

There's also a less favorable sales mix between equipment and services, and also within the services, there is the less favorable mix between the different disciplines of services. In energy that is definitely going in the right direction. Q1 was tough on our energy storage business. Q2, we see order intake really picking up again.

One example from the UK, we are delivering 100 MWh storage for our partners there, SSE. The product also includes our GEMS software platform, and this is not very normal for us when we deliver our equipment that we deliver our software solutions. You know our approach to the storage arena, it's power system optimization. It is how you connect the battery to the power system in combination with different generating assets.

This is where you can really create value, uptime, reliability and also lowest overall energy cost. This battery system is connected directly to the transmission network and supports access to clean and reliable energy by balancing the intermittency of renewables.

The energy storage system will support UK's national grid with reliability services and we will also support the wholesale market trading that is crucial for establishing the market mechanism for balancing power. We have received earlier orders in the UK, and we are installing similar-sized energy storage system across the UK, helping or supporting UK to meet its ambitious renewable energy targets. On the service agreements, we also see that the installed base is increasing, the service coverage of the installed base is increasing.

This is one example from Brazil, where we have a performance agreement that will enable our Brazilian customer to meet its power purchase agreement obligations.

It's the full operation and maintenance agreement for Termocabo. It covers a 48 MW power plant, and it operates on three of our 46 engines. This agreement includes performance guarantees on availability and on fuel consumption. Now, other key financials. Arjen, please.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Thank you, Håkan. Other key financials, probably the main thing to highlight on this slide is the operating cash flow, minus EUR 90 million negative. The other key financial parameters quite much link to that number. During the first half of this year, we saw it in Q1, and we saw it also now in Q2. We have been building up working capital to facilitate higher volume deliveries going forward. That was also actually shown by the order book graph that Håkan showed earlier. Let's say if we look at the order book for the remainder of this year, it's much higher than the year-to-date net sales.

On this slide, if you look a little bit deeper into the working capital, and you can see it from the right side slide here, the main increase comes from, let's say, trade receivables. We have been invoicing a lot of milestones recently in quarter two, which we anticipate to get paid for in the coming months. If you ask me the question, are you more positive about the future cash flow? Yes, I am. With these words, I give back to you on the prospects, Håkan.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yes. Thank you, Arjen. If we look at the prospects, I mean, we expect the demand environment in the third quarter to be better than Q3 last year. Of course, there is still uncertainty in the markets, but we do expect it to be better. With that, we open up for Q&A, and we suggest we stick to the normal routine. I mean, one question per participant, and then we try to go around the table, and then we can come back with more questions. Please feel free.

Operator

Okay, first question on the line is from Vivek Midha from Citi. Please open up your microphone and ask your question. Okay, next question is from Sebastian. Vivek, can you hear us?

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes, now we can hear you.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Okay, sorry about that. Technical issues. Thank you very much and good morning. I have one question on Marine Power, if I may. You're back at 90% utilization cruise, as over 30% Marine Power service growth. My question is-

Do you expect now that we're going to see some elements of stabilization at this high level, maybe a moderation in growth? How far do you think your service initiatives, such as moving up the service value ladder, can push service growth going forward? Thank you.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

No, I think we have potential to further grow services. When we talked about the service value ladder, and you can find it also in our CMD material, we said that going from spare parts up to performance-based, you see a factor of 2-5 on the performance related to the first step of the ladder, which is parts. There is growth potential still. However, it will take time, but I think we are on a growth trajectory here, and clearly we can see, I would say, concrete proof point on that because it's really agreements this quarter that is a major growth driver.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

We also see good renewal rates on the agreements as well.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

And, and-

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Giving a proof point to the customer.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Right

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

that they really value what we deliver.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Excellent. Thank you very much. If I could just quickly follow up. Would you say it's done a similar picture in the energy business, 'cause you've also sort of seen very strong growth there in service?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yes, and it's a key pillar of our strategy. You could say we apply the same logic. It's about the service value ladder. Also on the energy side, it is using digital tools to enter different type of agreements and then, of course, to deliver on those agreements, creating values for our customers. Also there, we are moving up the ladder and we see that we are growing our agreement business.

Operator

Next question on the line is from Sebastian Kuenne from RBC. Please open up your microphone.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst of European Capital Goods, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, good morning, gentlemen. Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes. Good morning.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yes.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst of European Capital Goods, RBC Capital Markets

I have only one question on the comments from Reuters yesterday that Fincantieri in Italy is indicating it wants to stop the cooperation with you on the four-stroke engines. Given that these guys are the biggest cruise ship shipyards, wouldn't that be a severe you know problem for you guys? Can you maybe elaborate a bit on this one? Thank you.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Well, first of all, I have a lot of respect for Fincantieri, and they have to make their decisions. I think we have a very in-depth cooperation. We have ongoing deliveries with them and those we will continue. When we talk about developing new green technology, we like to work with Fincantieri for sure, but we're also working with a lot of other partners in the world. We have the ZEEDS Corporation in Norway on ammonia. It's going in a really interesting way. You could see here we are working with hydrogen in the US, in Portugal. We are delivering on methanol. You know, we are respectful of Fincantieri.

I think we have a very good relationship with them, and we will continue to evolve our technology. We love to do it with them, but we do it also with many other partners.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst of European Capital Goods, RBC Capital Markets

Sorry, just to follow up. I mean, how angry are they that you are exiting Fincantieri? Is it-

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

I think you need to ask them that. Yeah. I think it's best to ask them about that, so to say. They have to answer that.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst of European Capital Goods, RBC Capital Markets

You have spoken to them in the past days?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yes. I mean, but I don't comment on our customer discussion in public, so to say. We are in dialogue with them. We have quite a lot of ongoing business with them, and this dialogue continues.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst of European Capital Goods, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you.

Operator

Next up is Sven Weier from UBS. Please, you can ask your question.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yeah, good morning. My question would be on price costs. Obviously, Håkan, you commented a lot about the cost headwind that you still had in Q2. When I look at then your written remarks, it sounded like we've probably seen peak inflation growth, and at the same time the pricing of the orders is improving. Is it fair to say that Q2, how should I say, was in terms of the worst in terms of price cost headwind, and we should see gradual, let's say, slow improvement in the coming quarters? Is that a fair comment?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

I clearly see that the acceleration of inflation that has tapered off. We still see a high inflation. The price realization, I would say it's certainly there on the services side. It's also there for new tenders on the new build side. I think what we are working with is our order backlog. This in the order backlog, we have a mix of You know, setups where we can renegotiate to adjust for the cost, and in some we cannot. This is of course where we are overall affected by the cost inflation.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Can I just follow up real quick on Sebastian's points about Fincantieri, because I was also curious about that. How is it in the cruise industry. Because we know in merchant it's not the yard who makes the decision on the engine, but it's the customer a lot of times. Is it the same in cruise, or is that different in cruise.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

No, it is the same in cruise. It is the end customers. It's the Royal Caribbean of the world, it's the Carnival of the world. They decide which engines goes into their vessels.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay. Understood. Thank you, Håkan.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

I should add we have a great relationship with both of these two and other cruise companies. We have a very exciting discussion with them on what is their right path to decarbonization. That is a very interesting discussion that we have right now.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thank you, Håkan.

Operator

Next up is a written question from Tommy Railo from DNB. He has a few questions here. First, are you able to guide storage orders in 2022 compared to 2021? H1 is a bit up after weak Q1, but strong Q2.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah. No full year guidance, but I would say we described there was a kind of reset in the market, in our view, a price reset because of the increased cost. The market stepped back and digested the new price level. We see order intake coming up in Q2. I would say in many areas the market has now digested the new price level. We see a positive market development going forward.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Lots of activity.

Operator

Was storage loss bigger or smaller in Q2, and will it be smaller or bigger for 2022?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah, no, I respect the question. The message continues to be our storage business has a positive gross margin, but it has a negative EBIT. Why the EBIT is negative is related. We are scaling the business. We invest in R&D. We are building up the team.

Operator

Next question on the line is from Antti Kansanen. Please, you can ask your question.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah. Good morning, Håkan and Arjen and Hanna-Maria. Hope you're hearing me well.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yes

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Coming back to the price and cost. Did I interpret it right that you are seeing better price realization on vendors, but not so much on, let's say, actual orders during Q2? Let's follow up that assuming that the inflation is flattening out, however, you have quite long lead times it would take into, let's say, back half of next year before we will see kind of the pricing improvements, especially on the new equipment side.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

I would describe that for new build, you know, as inflation has really escalated, I would say it really took off in the beginning of this year.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yes.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

We had inflation last year, but it was a different magnitude. We immediately started to compensate by increasing prices both on new build and services. It, for the orders that we had taken before, as I said, that's a mixed bag of what we can do on pricing, so to say.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

I think your point, Antti, is quite right. Let's say we have been able to, let's say, get better prices now for the new orders in Q1, sorry, in Q2. Of course, when they are delivered, and that's probably, as you indicate, next year somewhere, can vary of course a bit, but let's say most of it is probably next year, there we should have better margins.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

you know that if you look on our order backlog, if you talk about new build, you're normally talking about 12-24 months of lead time.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yes. Yes.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

A quick follow-up on that one. If we are then seeing kind of the inflation turning and let's say your customers are then expecting the cost levels to come down, are you fearful that they would be starting to postpone investment decisions waiting for more affordable prices?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

We haven't seen any tendencies on that so far.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

I think you guys mentioned earlier that you are introducing this new type of a cost indexation. Would that also help in that regard that the customers would also get the benefit of lower input costs, assuming that happens?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Absolutely. I mean, here I would say the indexation, there is not one formula, there is not one approach. I think on the storage side, given the, you know, the significant cost inflation, I think this is becoming an established market practice. If you look on the rest of our business, it's a mixed bag of how indices are adapted and also different indices, how they will be used.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

All right. I'll get back to the line.

Operator

Next up is Sam McLaughlin from HSBC, please.

Sam McLoughlin
Director of Industrials/Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Good morning. I hope you can hear me.

Operator

Yes. Good morning.

Sam McLoughlin
Director of Industrials/Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Thank you. Good morning. Just wondering how we should interpret your comments on the outlook. If I think back to Q2, you were talking about similar year-on-year demand, but clearly, the order intake has come out significantly better than that guide. You guide now to demand being better, on a year-on-year basis on what appears to be a fairly low bar. How should we think about this? You know, are we going? You know, or how should? Maybe we should think about it sequentially if that's, if that can help?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Well, sequentially is not always relevant because our business is a bit periodic. I think the relevant is to compare Q-on-Q from last year. You're right in how we guided for Q2. Here we are a project business and sometimes a couple of big orders can make you know a big swing. But I would say we feel fairly confident when we say that Q3 will be better.

Sam McLoughlin
Director of Industrials/Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Would it be energy storage that drives a lot of that, or are there any other segments that you would highlight in terms of improving demand?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

It is storage, but it's also the other businesses as well. It's service, it's thermal balancing. It's not only storage.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Hybrid installations for marine.

Sam McLoughlin
Director of Industrials/Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Thank you.

Operator

Next up is Erkki Vesola from Inderes, please.

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Hi, Håkan. Can you hear me?

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yes, we can. Good morning.

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Good morning. Regarding order intake growth, is there any possibility to divide that growth in Q2 between volume and pricing components in both energy and marine in general?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

That is really difficult, I would say. If you talk about FX impact, it's fairly limited, I would say.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yeah, EUR a couple of tens of million, yeah.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

If you talk about, yeah.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

A couple of tens of millions EUR on the FX impact, but I don't think we can really open up on, let's say, what is price and what is volume.

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Kind of apples to apples, the price increases, they just can't be disclosed?

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

No, we are not willing to disclose that. That's, of course.

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Uh-

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Competition sensitive as well, so.

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay. I'll take that. Thank you.

Operator

Next up is a written question from Massimiliano Severi. We noticed a sizable ramp-up in the receivables YOY and sequentially. Could you please explain the drivers behind it? How much relates to ramp up, versus something else?

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

I would say the majority, as I also said earlier, relates to, let's say, ramping up. Let's say we have. As you could see from the order book statistics as well, we have an order book for the second half of the year, which is significantly higher than the net sales, let's say, year-to-date. Also including then, let's say, what is still coming in for out. That's the main reason.

Operator

Okay, next up is Antti Kansanen from SEB, please.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah, thanks for taking the follow-up. Just a housekeeping regarding the Trieste ramp down and kind of cost savings and one-offs that you flagged. How should we kind of time those? Perhaps kind of could you also remind us how the costs are allocated between the marine and energy divisions, where the fixed cost actually sits.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Should I start?

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yeah.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

I mean, as you know, we communicated it's EUR 130 million provision. When you think about IAC, for the second half of this year, I would say it's around-

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Ninety.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

EUR 90 million-EUR 100 million.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yeah, sorry if I may interrupt.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

No, no, please.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

If I can add a comment to that. Of course. Let's say the assumption is around 90, but all depends very much on, let's say, what's the process and the progress of the process now in Trieste. There are lots of, let's say, open ends at the moment, which we need to, let's say, conclude in the coming months. It's very difficult to say, give you an exact number, but that's ballpark the assumption that we have taken now.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

When it comes to the saving, I mean, we said full potential in 2025. This will be a gradual journey. Why we cannot be more specific is that, you know, of course, we wanna do this in full alignment with the Italian regulations and requirements, and it's a little bit hard to make very concrete, detailed forecast on how this will play out.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah, but if I remember correctly, kind of majority of your engine manufacturing fixed cost is in the Marine Power side and then kind of the energy-based production costs. Is that true also for kind of the Trieste side?

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yes.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

The margin impact between Energy and Marine Power.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

No, I think you can more or less assume, let's say, equal share. Let's say slots are planned in the beginning of the year, and they carry a certain value. If you execute or not execute a slot, then let's say if it's an energy slot, then energy, let's say, pays for that missed slot. It grows pro rata, the volume that both businesses generate.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay, sure. Thank you.

Operator

Next up is Sven Weier from UBS, please.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yeah, I had a follow-up, please, on environmental solutions. I think, Alfa Laval talked about very good demand on the environmental side in marine. I was just wondering what you see currently in marine on the environmental solutions.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

What do you mean with environmental solutions? Because there are so many solutions. There are, you know, there are the fuels, there are the energy savings.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yeah, sure.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Et cetera. Oh, you want me to go through the whole palette, so to say?

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

No, I mean, of course, for them, it was probably more on the ballast water side, where I guess you are not so strong. I guess also their order intake has been a bit better than yours. Just wondering, maybe also in terms of your pipeline, what you see coming up there. Is that maybe also. You haven't mentioned it precisely now in your upbeatness about the Q3 demand guide. Just generally, if you see an increase there on the various solutions you have, of course.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

I go through. If we start with the green fuels and, you know, methanol, ammonia, there is a lot of things happening. There's a lot of interest, a lot of focus. Testing. There are a couple of initial orders, you know them, that we have announced before, but this will of course take time. I see a very strong interest from all of our customers and end customers, and I say the interest is only growing. It's driven by, you know, CII, the regulations kicking in in 2023 and the need to work with customers' fleet to decarbonize.

That drives certainly a focus on these very strategic decisions on what fuel should I go into, because I know that during the lifetime of the vessel that I will be contracting, I need to have the right mindset. On the retrofit side, similar interest. I mean, how am I gonna make sure that my fleet stays in a certain CII class? There, it's looking at energy-saving solutions like the Flettner rotors, like the air lubrication systems. It's also looking at about hybrid systems that we talked about.

We think that the hybrid, where you bring the batteries converters together with the engines and you have a Toyota Prius at sea, this will be one important way to achieve this CII index reduction that you need to have year-over-year. There is strong interest there. We are working on the two-stroke side, as you also know, you know, upgrading capabilities to go from heavy fuel to LNG. I mean, today, the price for LNG is not attractive, but I think this will stabilize. There is a lot of interest in that. We are doing a lot of things on the service side and on the two-stroke.

Our carbon capture, as you know, we are piloting carbon capture. We are moving in the right direction. We have a lot of interest. We are very grateful for that and very strong customer interest that wanna engage in pilot projects, and we need to focus a little bit. Coming to the digital solutions, also strong interest on the Voyage side. We are really excited now about the acquisition of PortLink, because now we have all the pieces in-house where we can continue the journey to make the logistics system and therefore reduce emissions in the whole system. Strong interest, I would say.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Perhaps, in the comparison with Alfa Laval, we are always compared on the scrubber, so perhaps you should comment the scrubbers.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

On the scrubber side, I would say that the scrubber business is. If you look at our business now, it's down a bit, and that's because many of our customers, they're in a very profitable business right now, which means that they do not want to bring the ships to yard for retrofits. Also because of COVID, many of the yards have been shut down. That is impacting our exhaust business. There is a lot of, you know, interest in the scrubber solutions going forward also.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

The underlying fundamentals with the fuel spread are absolutely there. Yeah.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

The other reason why I was asking, because as you mentioned, EEXI is coming soon, CII is coming soon. On EEXI, we can read reports that 75% of the fleet is not compliant. Of course, we all know that the marine industry has a history of adopting things at the latest possible moment in time. Now with 2023 coming a bit closer, I was just wondering if you could also start to see a little bit of a rush to the exits, so to speak.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah, it's.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

It won't be done with slow steaming alone, I guess, right?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

No, no. We see a lot of interest. The thing with, I mean, with the new regulation, they have EEXI, which is a kind of pass-fail. CII, it's and you know the concept, but just to set the scene for everybody, it's like when we go and buy the washing machine in the store, there is this classification from A to, I think it's E or F.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Mm-hmm.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

You can buy a washing machine that is in, yeah, hopefully as green class as possible. It's a little bit similar, the CII, but we don't need to tinker with our washing machine to make it more energy efficient every year. You have to do that if you're a ship owner. To stay in a certain CII class, if you wanna have a B vessel, you continuously will need to have to reduce your carbon footprint over the years. It's also not only to rush to solution, and then it's a quick fix. You will have to continuously improve. It drives a different mindset.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

Next up is a written question from Panu Laitinmäki from Danske Bank. Can you please comment how the recent FX changes, including USD, will impact your profitability going forward?

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Of course, I will not comment in too much detail because there are lots of things that, let's say, are behind it. There's a lot of detail behind. Basically, let's say we hedge basically all the exposure that we have on projects. The main, you could say the commercial pipeline, commercial orders, I think that's pretty safe and stable.

Then it's more about, okay, what's your fixed cost in the US versus, let's say, Europe, and how will it evolve, let's say, then from an FX point of view. Otherwise, of course, the transactional part, which is not typically hedged. Like said, let's say we had about, what is it? I think it was EUR 38 million negative FX impact in Q2.

Okay, that's typically a range you can expect, but it's mainly coming from fixed cost as well as, let's say, the transactional side.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

one tidbit of information, if you look at 2021, 25% of our revenues were USD denominated

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

US dollar

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

...dominated.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yeah.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

From that perspective, if the US dollar strengthening is a benefit because most of our cost is euro denominated.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Yeah.

Operator

Okay. Next, is another written question from Nancy Ni from Goldman Sachs. When do you expect the EUR 240 million receivables to be collected, 2028 or 2023?

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

I don't think we will collect anything of this EUR 240 million, because that's what we took out of the order book, so likely we will not get it. These projects, partly, let's say, they have not been executed at all. Let's say we clean the order book. Let's say if you have an order in this order book that is for 2023 delivery, you might not have had too many costs generated on it. There is nothing to correct it.

You just take it out of the order book. While for a lot of other projects, it's a much shorter delivery, mostly within this year. There is cost, and there are also, let's say, receivables outstanding, but the likelihood of getting them paid, I think, is this much.

If you ask me, let's say, how much of the EUR 240 million relates to this year's order book versus, let's say, next year's order book, it's about 40% for this year, and the rest is for 2023 and beyond.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Also coming back, I mean, for those that we have started and we likely will not be able to continue. Was included in the provisions.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Correct.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

If you want.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Correct.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

We have provided for them already.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Right.

Operator

Nancy wrote a follow-up. Sorry, I meant the trade receivables you mentioned.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Sorry. I thought you meant the order book cleaning. Sorry, my mistake. The question was how much of that will be collected this month or next month, or what was the?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Next year.

Arjen Berends
CFO and EVP, Wärtsilä

Let's say out of that, let's say EUR 240 million, the majority will be collected this month or this year. Sorry, second half of the year.

Operator

Next up is Erkki Vesola from Inderes, please.

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

Okay. Thanks for the follow-up. In June, the EU Council agreed to raise the binding EU level target of energy from renewables from 32% to 40% by 2030. When should we see this kind of forced acceleration to show in your storage and renewable offering order intake? Will it be kind of back-end loaded, i.e., not so much before 2025 or will it show already in the near future?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

I think-

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

What's your take on that?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

No. I think in general, these type of reforms take time to develop and concretize. You know, the whole kind of logic behind the balancing is that first you need to build a lot of renewables. Then your power system will need the balancing because otherwise it will not be stable, then you bring it in. In the US, this is happening now as we speak. I would say US is definitely ahead in this development compared to Europe. I think in Europe, it will take a little bit longer time. We also have a different grid situation in Europe. I think first wave is that there needs to be even more renewables.

You could say UK is also part of Europe. UK has made a very conscious decision on balancing, and you can see that in some of our storage orders. UK is actually ahead in Europe, so to say. I would say the balancing in Europe to evolve, it will take a little bit longer time. As a concrete consequence of the initiatives that you talked about, that would take a little bit longer time.

What we are seeing here and now, and you probably saw that, you know, we are getting balancing orders, thermal balancing orders in Europe, in Italy, in certain countries. That is not triggered by these reforms that you are talking about. That is triggered by already ongoing policies.

Erkki Vesola
Equity Analyst, Inderes

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Next up is Nancy Ni from Goldman Sachs. Please, you can ask your question.

Nancy Ni
Valuation Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Thank you. I just had a second question, regarding the Trieste closure, actually. Post that closure, would all your engine production be in Finland then? In which case, would you be looking to increase your capabilities elsewhere to sort of mitigate any kind of potential over-reliance on supply chains or productions concentrated in one area?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Okay. Just to clarify, we are centralizing our European footprint, so we will only have one factory in Europe, and that would be in Vaasa. We still have JVs in China, so we are also producing engines in China. When we look at our supply chain, that is, you could say, not a Finnish supply chain, it's a European supply chain that we will evolve as the volume and as the business is evolving.

Nancy Ni
Valuation Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Next up is Antti Kansanen from SEB, please. Yeah, just a quick question on Voyage and kind of the reorganization and what you're doing there compared to the losses that you have made in the past couple of quarters. How should we think about that for the following quarters? I mean, I assume there's a lot of moving parts in there, but how does kind of the loss picture in your minds develop in the next second half of and going into next year?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

As you know, we have talked about that we want to turn around Voyage over a couple of years. We were clearly delayed by the COVID situation. Also this shift in Russia has certainly delayed us as well. I have a lot of respect, as I said before, for the efforts that has been made to change, you could say the footprint of especially of our fleet optimization services team. I think the team is on the right track. It's still a turnaround to be made.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Nothing really quarter-on-quarter dramatic expected in second half, and it's a longer process?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

No, as I said, it's a turnaround still in the makings. I think-

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

You know, moving out to a new country, of course, you need to focus on that and then you need to move ahead with the turnaround.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

All right. Thanks.

Operator

Next up is a written question from Tommy Railo. Have you been able to sustain or expand services profitability?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah, that's a very wide question. In certain segments, absolutely. I mean, if it's related to inflation, we have, you know, we have compensated for inflation. If you look on the profit margin, it's very much mix related as you could see here between the different businesses, because also within services, there are different levels of profitability. If you look at each discipline within services, I would say we are maintaining or increasing profitability.

Operator

The last question is from Panu Laitinmäki. How does the margin in long-term service agreements compare to the overall services business?

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Well, it's contributing because the performance, based, of course, it includes service. On top of that, yeah, I mean, sorry, it includes spare parts, but on top of that, it has services, so to say. It positively contributes to profitability.

Hanna-Maria Heikkinen
VP of Investor Relations, Wärtsilä

Thank you, Håkan, and thank you, Arjen, and thank you for our active audience for all of the good questions. Wärtsilä Q3 report will be published on October 27, but I hope that all of you can enjoy the warm and relaxing summer before that. Thank you.

Håkan Agnevall
President and CEO, Wärtsilä

Thank you, everybody.

Operator

Thank you very much.

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