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Earnings Call: Q4 2021

Jan 28, 2022

Hanna-Maria Heikkinen
VP of Investor Relations, Wärtsilä

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to this news conference for financial statements bulletin 2021. My name is Hanna-Maria Heikkinen. I'm in charge of investor relations at Wärtsilä. Today, our CEO, Håkan Agnevall, will start with the group highlights and business development, and then our CFO, Arjen Berends, will continue with the key financials. After the presentation, there is a possibility to ask questions and get solid answers. Håkan, time to start, please.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Thank you, Hanna-Maria, and welcome everybody this morning. It's snowing in Helsinki today, but I think we have a good wrap-up of 2021 and also looking, of course, into the Q4 numbers. Some key messages for 2021 full year. We start there, and then we will move into the Q4. Overall, Wärtsilä is moving in the right direction in 2021. Orders, net sales, operating results, and cash flow have all improved during the year, which is positive. Order intake increased by 32%. There is growth in all businesses. Also good progress on the service side, which is very important for us. Order intake increased by 17%, and net sales increased by 11%. Profitability improved, as we will see, and we had a strong cash flow.

Actually, we had an all-time high in the history of Wärtsilä in our full-year cash flow in 2021. Really encouraging. On the challenges, COVID continues to have a significant impact, and it has a negative impact on our business, both on the marine side and on the energy side. I think one of the important milestones during 2021 is the new ambitious financial targets and decarbonization targets that we have announced. Some key messages from 2021. If we first start to look into a little bit more detail on the numbers for the full year, and then we move to the fourth quarter. You could see here that the order intake is up, as I said, 32% to EUR 5,735 million.

We also see that services continue in a strong way with 17%. Please note, you will quickly see that the equipment order intake has gone even stronger. It's around 47%. This significant increase in equipment will, of course, have an impact on the mix, the revenue mix for this year in 2022. If we look at the order book, it's growing by 14% to EUR 3,763 million. Net sales full year has been growing with 4%, EUR 4.7 billion, and services is also growing even faster with EUR 2.4 billion-EUR 2.5 billion. Book-to-bill going in the right direction, definitely with 1.2 for the full year.

If we look at the comparable operating result, we improve from 6% to 7.5% to EUR 355 million. We are on a journey, and we continue that journey. If we then zoom into the fourth quarter, I think we see another highlight, the order intake for Q4. It's up significantly. I mean, EUR 2.150 billion, 92% up from the same period last year. Of course, same period last year was very low. This is another record in the history of Wärtsilä, all-time high on a quarterly order intake ever. Here we see strong contribution, of course, from some of the big energy orders that we have taken. There is also good order intake in Marine Systems, in Marine Power, and certainly on the Services side.

In Q4, net sales are up 31% to EUR 1.597 billion. We also see the increase of services with 16% to EUR 761 million. Book-to-bill also very strong at 1.35. Operating results improving 9% or I should say the comparable operating result at EUR 158 million, 9.9% of sales. We all know Wärtsilä has normally a strong Q4, that also happened in 2021. Let's summarize the fourth quarter highlights. The net sales at EUR 1.597 billion, 16% increase on the service sales. You can see how it is evolving.

Comparable operating results at EUR 158 million, 53% growth, mostly driven by a more favorable sales mix between equipment and services. If we look at the marine market development in general, the number of vessels ordered has evolved overall in a positive way this year. It increased to 1,855 vessels compared to 815 last year, in 2020, I should say. In 2021, record-level vessel contracting in containers was very strong but also new build activity in gas carriers and bulkers exceeded the pre-COVID era. Cruise, however, new build continues to be rather limited. The transitions to cleaner fuels has started and 384 orders were placed globally for alternative fuel capable vessels.

If we look at the cruise operating pace, you could say around 17% of the cruise fleet capacity was active at the end of 2021, and there has been a gradual uptick throughout the year. During the summer, it was around 20%. Of course, we see now a little bit of a hiccup with Omicron, but when I talk to our customers, there is a strong belief in the summer season that is coming. Energy situation is improving. There is good activity on the energy storage market, also on the thermal balancing. The energy markets were recovering throughout 2021 despite of COVID, but in many of our core markets, COVID still has a significant impact on the decision-making process and also on the execution. There are still postponements of energy projects.

Energy storage with the battery business are very active and continuing at a good level. Our market share, if we look on the thermal side, it has decreased to 5%, but we also know there is about a quarter time lag in these numbers, and with the good order intake that we have had in Q4, I think this will affect our market share. If we look at the order intakes, coming back here again, up by 92%, you can really see the shift here, but of course, starting from a low level. It increased over all businesses and equipment order intake increased by 184%.

As I said before, the strong new build order intake will, of course, affect the mix of service and new build in 2022, the sales mix. Service order intake also increased in a good way by 20%. If we look at the order book, we are building the order book in a positive way, and we can also see that we are building the order book both with delivery this year, but also with deliveries beyond this year. Net sales increased by 31%, and equipment sales, net sales increased by 48%, services by 16%. Going in a good direction. Looking at technology and the partnership journey here. Wärtsilä, we are about shaping decarbonization of marine and energy, and it's a lot about technology and services.

Here on the technology side, we see some exciting development during the last quarter and the last year, I would say. I mean, the latest thing here, two-stroke. We are doing some very interesting and promising technology development here. It's about having retrofit capability to convert, going from diesel to LNG or from heavy fuel oil to LNG, but then also to continue to upgrade the engines to the future fuels. Very promising. We have introduced our new IQ Series of exhaust gas treatment systems. That's the next step in the gas treatments with a smaller footprint and with a good performance, so to say.

The ammonia journey is also ongoing, one of the exciting fuel avenues going forward, and we have announced a cooperation with Eidesvik Offshore to convert a offshore supply vessel to operate with a ammonia fuel combustion engine. Some of the early steps. On Voyage, smart port innovation in digitalization, we have signed a landmark memorandum of understanding with the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore to further strengthen our collaboration and see what digital solutions can contribute to the shipping ecosystem in Singapore. If we then go and look a little bit closer, business by business. If we start with Marine Power, increase basically in all key figures. Comparable operating result increased by 67%. You can see order intake up by 50%, net sales by 20%.

If we look at the operating result, we could say the positive contribution here is from the reactivation of the cruise that took place throughout 2021, and that driving the increased volume in services. We have also had efficiency improvement actions, primarily on our field service network, but also in other parts of the business. The challenges is the cost inflation. We clearly feel it, and we can mitigate it to some extent, but of course, we feel it. And still have a relatively low factory load, building up a little bit going into this year with the latest orders received on the energy side. The service business and the service agreements in this case, it's going in the right way.

It's increasing after the COVID-19 related decline. An interesting example, we signed a long-term optimized maintenance agreement with NYK Shipmanagement. It's a 13-year contract which is designed to ensure maximum uptime and equipment reliability with assured maintenance cost for LNG carriers. This order includes the Expert Insight, our digital platform, which enables dynamic data-driven maintenance planning and optimized maintenance. It's really to leverage digital tools and artificial intelligence to provide uptime reliability and create value for the customer. If we switch to Marine Systems, net sales and order intake increased. Service order intake increased by 21%, and you can see the order intake up 131%, net sales up 32%.

If we look at the comparable operating results on the positive side, the demand for transactional services contributed in a good way, but there is still a low level of new build scrubber, and the margins on the scrubber business have come down. There is also a challenge with the mix between equipment and service that affects the operating result. Voyage clear improvement in profitability, driven by improved sales volume and the favorable equipment service mix, but also driven by the efficiency improvement that we are performing in Voyage. Also in Voyage, we have the challenge with the cost inflation and also the continued increased investments in our digital competence.

Voyage is in a positive trajectory. However, Voyage was helped in Q4 also by I would say some strong seasonal effects on the services side. When one looks at the overall improvement journey and the profitability of Voyage, one should consider the full year result. The cloud solutions deliveries or an order intake continues to grow in an accelerated way and we are also growing our Cloud Simulation Service business. Here we have a very interesting example from Africa and the Technical University of Mombasa. We are basically providing our cloud-based simulation tools for maritime training technology and that will help African seafarers to be trained remotely, of course, in COVID times, very valuable.

The sessions will always be up to date with the latest content and also tailored content to be able to provide customer-specific training that is accessible for all the participants. The cloud simulations is really a complement to the on-premises simulations and to be able to ensure top-notch remote training. Okay, if we then move to the energy side, energy order intake, net sales, and comparable operating results all increased. We had large single deals that came in from Mexico and Brazil, and that really supported the energy business going forward.

We do see a little bit of a trend shift here also on the thermal side, still fully acknowledging this is a project business with what that means, so to say, in terms of the order intake. Sales volumes is clearly up, contributing to the comparable operating results. Also favorable mix within services, so to say. On the challenging side or affecting the operating result in a negative way is the equipment services sales mix. It's increased share also of energy storage, as we have communicated before. Currently, the energy storage business is loss-making, and we are improving it and turning it around over the next few years.

We also see we are, you know, investing in the business, ramping up our execution capabilities, and growing the business. We are also in energy facing cost inflation pressure. The example for energy is the significant order that we received from CFE in Mexico for EUR 480 million. CFE is a state-owned electrical utility in Mexico, and they have ordered two large multi-fuel power plants with a combined output of 600 MW. These are actually the biggest generating capacity EPC contracts that Wärtsilä has ever received. It includes both the 50DF dual fuel engine and 34DF dual fuel engines. Very important order and also very encouraging for the Energy business.

Energy also has a strong focus on services, and if we look at the installed base covered by long-term service agreement, it is really increasing. When we talk about how to support our customer, remote support for power plant is constantly growing and we solve a lot of cases remotely every day. Couple of interesting data points here. 96% of the support cases were actually solved remotely in 2021, 96%. 91% of the support cases, they were actually solved within the same day they were raised.

Remote support solutions help to reduce the operating cost and the lead time and once again, using data and infrastructure, also using the digital tool, to have a quick response time and also start to work with proactive maintenance and preventing problems from occurring. Other key financials. Arjen, please join me. There you go.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Thank you, Håkan. Starting with cash flow, Håkan mentioned already really a good cash flow both in Q4 as well as for the full year. A record again after the record of 2020, which was the previous one. Of course, a good contribution by the profit, but definitely the main contribution, as you can see also from this slide, came from the working capital. All the actions that we have implemented historically, which are a couple of years back on collection, inventory optimization, et cetera, are really paying off. Also, let's say we had a good traction on the supply side, let's say with SCF programs as well. Good cash flow of course contributes clearly, let's say, to lowering the net debt almost zero, and gearing also equivalently following.

Solvency improving slightly 0.5%, and basic earnings going up as a consequence of increased profitability. Cash flow slide on the left side, trend is going up. Really good level, I would say. Going to the right side of this slide, let's say the fourth quarter development. Looking at the main buckets here, let's say the trade receivables, they went up as a consequence of the high deliveries in Q4. Seasonality here. Also that has an impact to the inventories, which went down, of course, when you ship it out under very difficult circumstances, logistics, I think we have mentioned that also earlier calls.

Trade payables coming from basically all businesses, but the main business here that is in here is Energy business with a good traction and good payment terms towards suppliers. Looking at the dividend per share, the proposal is $ 0.24, 73% of EPS, which is in line with our financial targets on the long term, being above 50% of EPS. Give the floor to you again.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Thank you, Arjen. Then to the final part of the presentation, the prospects. We expect the demand environment in the first quarter of this year to be better than of the corresponding period in the previous year. However, the prevailing market conditions make the outlook uncertain. COVID is still impacting our business and is creating uncertainty, so to say. With that was the presentation, Arjen.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yes.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I think we open up for questions.

Hanna-Maria Heikkinen
VP of Investor Relations, Wärtsilä

Yes, exactly. Thank you, Håkan. Thank you, Arjen. Now it's time for good questions. Handing over to the operator, please.

Operator

First question on the line. Please remember only one question per analyst. First question, please open up your microphone and ask your question. Sebastian Kuenne from RBC Capital Markets.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, good morning, gentlemen. Can you hear me?

Operator

Yes. Good morning.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Very good. My key question is on the tax rate today. I spoke to IR this morning, and there seems some issue with losses in the Voyage business that leads to, let's say regional differences. You know, we have losses in one region, gains in another region we can't offset really, leading to a high tax rate. That was probably the main disappointment today. What do you expect for the next year? Do we have a similar headwind on, from tax? What does it mean when the Energy Storage business is growing? This is loss-making. This could make large losses in one region. Do we have to expect tax rates of 40%, 50% going forward? Maybe you can elaborate a little bit on that. Thank you very much.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Thank you, Sebastian, for the question. A very valid one as well. I would say 40%-50% is really high, so I don't expect that. We have been having unusually high ETR over the past years, and it's really as you also commented, actually driven by losses in a few countries that we cannot, let's say, yet at least recognize the deferred tax assets. We are working on a turnaround, let's say, as you mentioned, let's say big part is related to the Voyage turnaround as well. Not all of it, but let's say big part of it is. It will take some time to turn it around. It will not be, let's say, low this year.

It will be on the higher end this year, but it will not go to 40%-50%. That's too much, I would say.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

the storage

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

The energy storage is growing fast.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Sorry, good point on the storage. Of course, storage is let's say not making any profits today. Of course, it depends very much on let's say where storage is, in which country, and let's say are there any other businesses of Wärtsilä with profits in that country as well? It depends very much, let's say, where it is whether you can or cannot, let's say, recognize deferred tax assets. In storage case, there is more in that unit where storage is.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah, I would say, I mean, if you look overall, I think storage is very active in the U.S., and as you know, we have been very strong in North America.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Correct

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

in our thermal order intake.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

also services, yes.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah, also services.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yeah.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you very much. Helpful.

Operator

Next question on the line. Please open up your microphone and ask your questions. Sven Weier from UBS.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Yes. Good morning, from my side. My question is on the margin trajectory, right? You mentioned the mixed comment, that has an impact in 2022. On the other hand, we had the CMD, the 12% margin target, and I think there you talked about a steady margin improvement towards that goal. Is that still consistent? Should we also look for some sort of margin improvement in 2022, or has your mind changed on that end? Thank you.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

No, I think we are on a journey, so to say, which we have clear targets. We also said that, you know, it and as you know, Sven, that our business is, well, especially in the energy side, is project-driven, so to say. That means that you can have certain variances through the years, so to say. It's clearly so that when you have a strong order intake on the equipment side, which fundamentally is positive, then you go into time period where you deliver, I mean, we will deliver Mexico, Brazil, et cetera. Then that has a certain impact on the mix between new build and services.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

It doesn't mean that margins will be, I don't know, stable or down this year even?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I mean, we don't provide guidance for a gross profit margin development for the year. I think that, you know, if you have a year with a lot of new build relative to service, that will have a certain impact on the margin.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Why did you refrain from giving a guidance for 2022? I think that was one potential idea to go back to giving a guidance.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

It's really about the uncertainty of the market situation. COVID still has a significant impact. I mean, looking at Omicron here, you know, I think now we are moving by the weeks. Maybe now there, in a global scale, there is a more optimistic outlook in terms of of countries opening up. But if we go back only a couple of weeks, there were serious concerns about lockdowns again. The CDC was making certain recommendations affecting crews, et cetera. I think this just recent development really shows the uncertainty that COVID is creating, and that is the background.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

The infection rates go up.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

in many places, yeah.

Sven Weier
Senior Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

Next question on the line. Please, you can ask your question. Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. So my question is, you recently announced a large new-build methanol order, and I was wondering, given that you've had this technology since 2014, how come you've only just had your first large one, and do you expect this to pick up going forward?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

It you could say this is the first order with our methanol 2.0 offering, so to say. The very first order was with Stena a couple of years back. This is the next generation taking it to the next level. That's why we call it's the first on the new generation of methanol engines. And when we have talked about future fuels, methanol is, in our view, certainly one of the future fuels. And as we discussed, our thinking is that, you know, in the era that is coming, and an era is a couple of decades, we are moving into space where there will be multiple fuels, depending on availability of the fuel, but also depending on which application you operate, et cetera.

Methanol will, in our view, be one of the major avenues there, but there will be other avenues as well. There will be ammonia, there will be hydrogen blends, there will be electric, there will still be LNG and fossil fuel as well, and biofuels. Methanol is one of the major avenues forward.

Operator

You can ask your question. Max Yates.

Max Yates
Executive Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity research, Morgan Stanley

Hi. Thank you. Just my question was around the energy margins. I mean, I guess you mentioned a few things that have impacted the margins and why it's down year-over-year. You talk about the mix from storage and also cost inflation. I guess my question was which of those two impacts, so the storage mix or cost inflation, would you say was the bigger of the two issues? As we think about next year, I'd love to understand a little bit better how it works when you take a contract in energy, say like the EUR 480 million order.

How you manage your costs as you come to deliver that order in 2022. Is there any risk that you take a fixed price contract, and we're seeing it from some other project companies that the cost profile looks very different as you start to deliver it? I imagine that's a challenge in inflationary environments. How do you manage that?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I start with your second question, and then I will ask Arjen to address your first question. If you take a big order like the Mexico order, how does that affect in the landscape that we are currently moving because the inflation? I mean, when we lock a contract, when we sign a contract with a customer, like we signed with CFE, of course, we have a very solid cost calculation and well worked through cost calculation, where we have included assumptions on inflation in various areas. As we then go in to deliver in 2022, we will invoice, and we will realize the margin content and the provisions that we had.

I think the you know Mexico it's a very solid order. My comment on the mix is that I talked about before is of course that if you install an engine and we will store quite a few engines in the power plants you know the services will only come later. We will see the impact and the benefit of the service later than 2022.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yes. On your question on mix, let's say storage now in Q4 has EUR 150 million more sales than, let's say, last year in the same quarter. That clearly has an impact. As said, this is at the moment a loss-making business. We are turning it around. Let's say in a few years, we believe it will be profitable as well. Of course, you have always, let's say, within the new build, even on project level, you have mix differences. Let's say one project has a different profitability than another. Of course, you have also, let's say the same within the service environment. Let's say that the variation between, let's say, spare parts, field service agreements, and projects in the service side also have different margin levels.

That all has an impact on the mix going forward. As Håkan also mentioned earlier, also in Energy, we will see quite significantly, I would say in particular in Energy, a very heavy new build year in 2022.

Operator

Next question on the line, please. You can ask your question, Manu Rimpelä from Nordea.

Manu Rimpelä
Head of Equity Research Finland, Nordea

Thank you. My question would be relating to this mix impacts we talked about already. If you kind of you know your backlog, so you obviously have a pretty decent view about what's in there and how that mix looks. I don't really sense that you're helping us to really understand how to model the margin in 2022. I'm not asking for any guidance, but if you look at the backlog, can you see that the kind of equipment-only backlog will the equipment margins if you take out the storage part of the business.

Will you see that part of the business thinking going margins up because you have higher utilization rates, which should be then driving operating leverage, or will that part then be offset by cost inflation, or is the mix within that equipment part negative?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I mean, first of all, we don't provide any guidance. I would say that, you know, what we are signaling is clearly that, you know, if I may say 2022 will be a year with a lot of new build. That is what we are signaling. As I said before, based on the question that we got, if you look at some of the key orders that we have taken recently, of course, we have, you know, factored in, you know, various cost elements in that.

Manu Rimpelä
Head of Equity Research Finland, Nordea

If you think about the new build part of the business, I mean, if you think about the moving elements you have in that, you have cost inflation working against you, then you have pricing. Do you see that that will be kind of net positive or negative? Then on top of that, we should have a very significant step up in the utilization rates. Shouldn't that mean that part of the business profitability should nonetheless go up if you just think about the equipment?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

As I said before, I mean, the signal we are sending, it's the mix that is will have an effect on 2022. I also said in Mexico and other energy projects, of course, we have done a solid cost calculation on what goes in, into the project.

Manu Rimpelä
Head of Equity Research Finland, Nordea

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Next on the line, please. You can ask your question, Sean McLoughlin from HSBC.

Sean McLoughlin
Director and EMEA Head of Industrials & Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I just wanted to look at the very strong cash flow situation. You enter 2022 effectively at a well neutral net debt position. I mean, how does that or does that influence your thinking around M&A, and what are the areas that you would target?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

If I start, I'll ask you to continue. I mean, we have at CMD also communicated. When we look at M&A, we see more of type of bolt-on acquisitions. I mean, acquiring you know technical competence core, I mean, peak technical competence that we could bring into our core business, so to say. We have also communicated that we do think that we have a balance sheet that would support such a strategy. I think that strategy remains

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yeah, I would almost say there's nothing more to add, right? Let's say our view on M&A definitely has not changed since CMD. Let's say we are looking for these strategically relevant items all the time and let's say we will pursue them if feasible. So, I would say it's, you could say, almost independent of the cash flow. Let's say we as a company are always scanning the market for useful M&A opportunities.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Thank you.

Operator

Next question on the line. Please, you can ask your question. Antti Kansanen from SEB.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah. Hi, good morning. It's Antti from SEB. You mentioned that it will be a pretty equipment heavy year in 2022, but then if we look at the service business, what are you kind of seeing still as a potentials to improve? I mean like if we going to see the COVID impact starting to fade, and obviously cruise is still a tailwind for the first half. Where are we if you think about the normalization of profitability, where there are still potential to grow faster than what the let's say the structural growth in service is? Could you provide a bit more outlook on the services side regarding marine divisions and energy? Thanks.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I mean, if we talk long-term or mid to long-term, I mean, clearly we are excited about the opportunities on the services side. We talked about the service value ladder, where we do see growth potential both on the transactional side, on the agreement side, and the performance-based side, and I will also say on the retrofit side. Those still hold. Now, coming back to cruise, which is of course very important for Marine Power. There is a strong correlation between the utilization of the vessels and our service business. When you see the cruise utilization moving, our service business moves correlated with that. When.

As I said, when I talk to our cruise customers, they, you know, there was, you know, a setback, I would say, a slight setback considering Omicron. When I listen to them now, they are fairly optimistic about the summer. If you talk about, you know, the performance-based services and agreements, I think we showed some examples here earlier. It is evolving in a positive direction.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

All right. If we think about the service project business, I guess you have flagged that there has been, in certain areas, a bit high activity in 2021. Is this something that we should be concerned regarding year-over-year basis, or is the demand kind of accelerating on that front still?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I would say service, the project services business, it's on a high level and yeah, we see it's continuing into 2022.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yep.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay. Last question from me. If we look at the backlog that you have to be delivered in next year and year beyond that, we are looking at, like, 15%-20% growth year-over-year. Can you comment a little bit on what's the volume or the price impact on that growth?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Could you repeat the question? Sorry, I didn't get it.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

The pricing in the backlog, I mean, we see that the backlog value is significantly up year over year.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Mm.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

What's the component of price in that one?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah. I would say that, you know, projects have been taking. It's a mix, I would say. There is still of course a competitive pressure, no doubt. But, you know, with new technologies and new applications, there are also opportunities for price realization. I would say it's a mixed picture.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yeah, I fully support that. Let's say it's of course very different in different markets. In general, I would say that the price pressure is in none of our markets really less. It's either stable or let's say pressing even more. Because if you take the marine side, for example, let's say the volumes are still rather low, so you're in a smaller market fighting with the same competitors, and that has not really improved. Price pressure, I wouldn't say has really deteriorated a lot, but it's definitely absolutely still there to a large extent.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I would say, I mean, what is balancing that is of course us moving up the service value ladder.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Exactly

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

When we move to more performance-based, when we take on more risk that we manage, and we do it in a profitable way. There we see some exciting opportunities for price realization.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

The technology leadership.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Yeah.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yeah. Yeah.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

You're not willing to provide any, let's say, ballpark on price increases that you realized during 2021 orders or in the backlog?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

No, I-

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Just any numerical

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

No. For competitive reasons, and I don't think we would do that, no.

Antti Kansanen
Senior Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay. Thank you. That's all from me.

Operator

On the line please, you can ask your question. Vivek Midha from Citi Research. Vivek Midha from Citi Research, you can ask your question now.

Vivek Midha
Equity Research Analyst, Citi

Hi. Sorry about that. Thanks very much for taking my question. Good morning. In the Marine Power and Marine Systems businesses, you've called out the effect of large orders. Could you maybe give us some commentary on how smaller or base orders are developing in those businesses? Thank you.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

If I start with Marine Power, I think it's developing in a good way. As I said before, Q4 normally in Wärtsilä is a quarter with a lot of business ongoing. Q4 2021 was no exception. I mean, 2021 was exceptional from the sense that, you know, we are hitting the all-time high, so to say. That, the all-time highs, they are driven by the big orders. I would say on Marine Power, the smaller orders, they are on a fairly stable level. Now, coming to Marine Systems, it is a little bit more challenging because the scrubber business is down. It's a bit weaker, so to say.

If you look at the order intake for Marine Systems, the uptick here is mostly driven by gas solutions. It's a mixed picture. Scrubbers is down, gas solutions is up.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Thank you very much.

Operator

Next question on the line, please. You can ask your question. Erkki Vesola from Inderes.

Erkki Vesola
Analyst, Inderes

Hi, Håkan. Hi, Arjen. Can you hear me?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Yes. Welcome.

Erkki Vesola
Analyst, Inderes

Yes. About the storage market competition dynamics, I mean, what are currently the major decision factors the customers have? Is it integration capabilities and track record? Is it the optimization software? Is it price? Is it lead times? I mean, how is the current competitive arena vis-à-vis the likes of Tesla and Fluence, and what makes you win the contracts, if and when you do?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I mean, there is not only one customer, there are different customer segments. There are the utilities, there are the IPPs, there is the industrial customers. They have a little bit different profile of, you know, what criteria is on the top of their list. I think where we're having our biggest successes is with the biggest utilities, they are really looking for a credible supplier with a strong track record, strong execution skills that can also integrate into their power system. The other segment where we are strong is on the industrial side, where we can really combine different generating assets to provide uptime, reliability, and energy savings. These characteristics that I mentioned here, this is clearly how we want to position Wärtsilä.

I mean, we come with a strong power system background and power system capability, and we try to leverage that by bringing in the storage, the battery storage. It's one tool in our toolbox, and then combine it with thermal renewables and, as some of our customers are saying, GEMS, our software platform, that's the quarterback of the system. This is where we implement our power system knowledge.

Erkki Vesola
Analyst, Inderes

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Okay. We have one more question left. Please, you can ask your question. Sebastian Kuenne from RBC Capital Markets.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. Hi. I have a follow-up on the energy storage again. There's talk that battery prices go up this year rather than down per kilowatt hour. How do you hedge that business? Because this is now becoming almost half of your energy business. This is extremely high growth rates. Can you explain how you hedge the costs in that particular business? And on the margin, just briefly, you say it's loss-making, sure, but is it loss-making on the gross profit level or just on the EBIT level? Because if it's loss-making on the gross profit level, you can grow it as much as you like, it will never turn positive. Thank you.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Okay. To your first question, how do we hedge? I mean, we have key partnerships with battery cell providers, and we have long-term agreements with them, so that's how we hedge our position. We have also said in the past that, you know, the storage business, it's a growth business. We are investing in R&D, we are investing in scaling up, and it is negative now, profitability.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

On EBIT

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

On EBIT level.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yeah.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Positive on gross profit. You have a contribution margin from that business currently?

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Yes.

Sebastian Kuenne
Equity Research Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you very much.

Operator

Next question on the line, please. You can ask your question. Matthew Donen from Morningstar.

Matthew Donen
Director, Morningstar

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just another question on the sales mix in the energy segment. At the CMD, you alluded to storage order book of more than EUR 700 million. What did you manage to achieve for the full year? Maybe just to follow up on that, have lead times, due to the transportation shortages been impacted this year, and have you had any penalties as a result?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I mean, and these are numbers that we are now providing openly, so to say. If we look at the full-year order intake for energy storage, it was EUR 720-

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

20. Yep

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

million euros. If you look at the sales recognition, it was

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

3.25

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

EUR 325 million. There you have the balance. When it comes to the execution, you could say that we are still relatively early and ramping up our execution capabilities. So far, I think you know we are progressing in a good way, like you would expect from a you know well-run project business.

Matthew Donen
Director, Morningstar

Thank you.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

The larger part of the EUR 720 million will be in delivery this year.

Matthew Donen
Director, Morningstar

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Operator

Next question on the line, please. You can ask your question. Max Yates.

Max Yates
Executive Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity research, Morgan Stanley

Thank you. I just wanted to come back on working capital. You've had a good performance in terms of the reduction. I just wanted to understand how you think about it as we go into 2022, because obviously your sales are gonna be up. As a percentage of sales, do you see the kind of levels where we are now as achievable, or was there anything sort of abnormal in terms of how quickly you were able to bring that down that maybe you need to invest a little bit as we go into a sales recovery?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I would say if I start, I mean, we had one exceptional situation, and that is of course we had a lot of big orders coming in with down payments in Q4. Those were exceptional occasions. However, as Arjen pointed out, we have a continuous and fairly successful program to bring down the working capital. I would say Q4 was exceptional, which led the full year of 2021 to being exceptional.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

I would almost say that we have now broken the operating cash flow record two years in a row. To be honest, I don't expect that to happen again in 2022. You never know, but I don't think so. I think now, as Håkan said, we have received quite some significant milestones, and you can see also in the Q4 numbers. Actually, Q4 on a standalone basis, operating cash flow was also record. It's really high. Let's say we got a lot of milestone payments, not only down payments, but also milestone payments on big projects in Q4. Some even earlier than anticipated. In a way, you eat from then this year, basically 2022.

I would still expect a good cash flow for 2022, but I don't think we will break the record again. Working capital will likely go up.

Max Yates
Executive Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity research, Morgan Stanley

Working capital.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Sorry, what was your question?

Max Yates
Executive Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity research, Morgan Stanley

No, no, that's great. Thank you.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Okay.

Operator

Next question on the line, please. You can ask your question. Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Just a quick one from me. I was wondering if you could provide a split within your energy storage orders between hardware and software.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I don't think we disclose that.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

No.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

No, sorry about that. We don't disclose that.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Okay. No worries. Thank you.

Operator

Next question on the line, please. You can ask your question. Sean McLoughlin from HSBC.

Sean McLoughlin
Director and EMEA Head of Industrials & Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Thanks for taking my follow-up. Just back on energy storage. If you could give us an indication, EUR 720 million is not going to be enough to take you to positive EBIT. Do we need to see that double again? Do we need to see that treble again before you reach EBIT profitability?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I don't think we go into those details. I mean, the comments we said, the road to profitability is a road that will take us a few years. I think we leave it at that. Also, clearly, you know, there is an expected growth in the market, but also growth of our business.

Sean McLoughlin
Director and EMEA Head of Industrials & Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Is it then something fundamental in the contract structure, or is it pure scale that drives you to EBIT profitability, looking at what you expect in 2022?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

I would say what is driving the profitability of our way of looking at the business is of course there is an element which there is in all industries you need to be cost competitive. But the other part of the equation that we found very important is how you can you know integrate the battery system to the overall power system and then unlock values so to say. You manifest that in the you know the software platform that you provide so to say.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

The synergies with the thermal energy business, right?

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

From our side, we can also leverage our, the synergies that we have on our thermal balancing.

Sean McLoughlin
Director and EMEA Head of Industrials & Clean Technology Research, HSBC

Thank you.

Hanna-Maria Heikkinen
VP of Investor Relations, Wärtsilä

Are there further questions? It seems like not. Thank you, Håkan. Thank you, Arjen. Thank you for great questions. Wärtsilä Q1 report will be published on April 28, but we will be also active during Q1. We are hosting several events for investors and analysts. One of those is sustainability event, which will take place virtually on February 25. More information from IR team or from our website. Stay safe and healthy. Thank you.

Håkan Agnevall
CEO, Wärtsilä

Thank you.

Arjen Berends
CFO, Wärtsilä

Thank you.

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