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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Jan 25, 2023

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I'm Poppy, your Chorus Call operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Arçelik conference call and live webcast to present and discuss the full year 2022 financial results. All participants will be in a listen only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a question and answer session. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero on your telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Özkan Çimen, Chief Financial Officer, Ms. Mine Şule Yazgan, Finance and Enterprise Risk Executive Director, and Mr. Öktem Söylemez, Investor Relations Lead. Mr. Çimen, you may now proceed.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Good morning. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, sorry for the delay. We had some technical problem with the public disclosure platform that we have been using. 2022 was a year in which we experienced a lot of headwinds and challenges, so I would like to thank all of our employees for their tireless efforts and commitments to drive growth. I would like to start with the highlights of the final quarter of 2022. Arçelik recognized TRY 39.2 billion revenue in the fourth quarter, posting 74% annual and 14% quarterly growth. On an organic basis, the revenue growth was 67% year-on-year and 11% quarter-on-quarter. In Turkey, both dealer purchases and consumer demand was positive, mainly thanks to pull forward demand. In Europe, consumer demand continued to be weak.

Consolidated EBITDA margin was 9.1% in the fourth quarter, delivering 42 points expansion supported by ease material costs, price increases, and further improved OpEx to sales ratio. Net working capital sales ratio significantly decreased to 21.0% as of year end, compared to 26.3% as of September 2022, mainly thanks to lower inventories and also strong collection. As a result of substantially improved net working capital sales ratio, we have generated TRY 3.3 billion free cash flow in this quarter. Thus, the leverage as of December 2022 was decreased to 2.26 times, reflecting 0.42 times improvement compared to previous quarter. On January 17th, we have announced the transaction with Whirlpool. We have signed a contribution agreement with Whirlpool to form a new standalone home appliance business in Europe.

In addition to Europe business, we have also agreed to acquire Whirlpool's MENA subsidiaries. I will explain the details in the coming slide. Increasing global unit market share, which we will be built on Arçelik's current strong presence, extended brand portfolio that will serve European customers at various price segments, increased scale to drive operational efficiency, and complementary product platforms that will expand product offerings were the main rationales behind the transaction. European subsidiaries of both companies will be merged under a newly formed company which is Beko Europe. The new business will be combined of 25 of Arçelik's and 38 of Whirlpool's European subsidiaries, and two of Arçelik's and 14 of Whirlpool's production facilities and assets with a total of 24 million production capacity.

Arçelik will have the control of Beko Europe with major share and will be able to fully consolidate the results. The size of the combined business will be around EUR 6 billion with constant 2021 figures. As a separate transaction to the European business, we have also agreed to acquire Whirlpool's MENA subsidiaries that recorded EUR 182 million revenue as of financial year 2021. We believe this acquisition will accelerate our growth and strengthen our presence in the region, along with our new investment in Egypt. Of course, the closing is subject to regulatory approvals, and we expect the transaction to be closed in the second half of this year. I will continue with slide four. Arçelik continue to deliver solid revenue growth in the final quarter of 2022.

Our consolidated revenue increased by 74% on a yearly basis to TRY 39.2 billion. This robust performance was backed by price increases, higher units sold in Turkey and Turkish lira depreciation. Organic growth revenue was 67%. On a quarterly basis, we have delivered 14% revenue growth on the back of continued price increases and inorganic growth. On an organic basis, revenue growth was 11%. Our consolidated gross profit margin for the fourth quarter was up by 27 basis points on a yearly basis to 29% margin. Of course, strong price increases on a yearly basis and lower material costs were main drivers of margin expansion.

Despite the lower capacity utilization rate due to falling demand and depreciated euro dollar parity compared to average of the same period in last year. On a quarterly basis, consolidated gross margin was similarly up by 24 basis points. Our consolidated EBITDA margin for the fourth quarter was increased by 42 basis points to 9.1% on a quarterly basis, which was supported by lower OpEx base ratio and mainly thanks to lower logistics and marketing expenses. On a yearly basis, EBITDA margin was down by 21 basis points. If you look at the markets individually, starting with Turkey. Turkish MDA 6 market grew by 12% in the last quarter, and with this improvement, market ended with an annual contraction of 2% this year. Arçelik's selling units grew by 5% in Q4 on a yearly basis.

Arçelik ended the year with an annual contraction of 7%. It slightly underperformed the market due to mainly the outperformance in last year. Likewise, sellouts were positive in both October and November, mainly thanks to pull forwards of demand and campaigns that are implemented. Arçelik being the low mark of the Turkish consumers, maintains its strong leadership position by far as of November 2022. Sales in AC market was up by 4% in this quarter on a yearly basis, bringing annual growth to 8%. We outperformed the market with 10% growth on an annual basis in 2022. Mainly driven by Black Friday and World Cup in the last quarter, market grew significantly in October and November on an annual basis.

TV sell-outs were up by 2%, while Arçelik units were flattish compared to a year ago in the first 11 months of the year. Domestic revenue in the fourth quarter was TRY 12.5 billion, registering 112% yearly and 24% quarterly growth. Growth was mainly driven by price increases and increase in white goods unit sales. On an annual basis, Turkey revenues were up by 96%, delivering the guidance. The share of domestic market in total business was 30% in 2020, remains flattish compared to last year. In the European markets, the share of European region in total revenue was 45%, which is flattish compared to a year ago.

In Western Europe, consumer demand continued to shrink further in October and November by 11% and 8% respectively, reflecting the ongoing macroeconomic challenges in those markets. Great Britain markets ranked the most among all Western European countries, with contraction at mid-teens%. Despite the contraction of units, market was flattish in value terms in the 11 months figures on a yearly basis due to price increases and higher share of premium segment sales. However, this trend has been vanished in the months of October and November with almost 2% year-on-year contraction in value terms. Having 26% share in total revenue, Arçelik sales remained flattish in euro terms. In Eastern Europe, the markets were down at double-digit% in Q4 on a yearly basis, which brings the annual contraction to almost 10%.

However, in value terms, market grew significantly at mid-teens % in 2022 compared to 2021. Having 18% share in total revenue, Arçelik sales were up by 46% on a yearly basis in euro terms, thanks to price increases and inorganic revenue contribution of our latest acquisition. On an organic basis, annual revenue growth was 16% in the last quarter. In total, in Europe, lower units were offset by the pricing initiatives and we have been able to post 9% annual revenue growth in euro terms in 2022. On an organic basis, annual revenue growth of European business was almost 5%. If we continue with Africa and Middle East region, which accounts for 9% of our consolidated sales in 2022, we have seen a growth of 27% annually in euro terms.

This strong revenue growth was as a result of balanced high performance of both regions. Defy’s domestic unit sales were significantly increased in the last quarter compared to the previous quarter, mainly to the campaigns implemented for Black Friday. On a yearly basis, units were contracted by a high single digit due to declining market demand. Unit sales to the export markets were also contracted and with a mid to high single digit on a quarterly basis and grew at mid at low teens year-on-year. Defy registered around 50% revenue growth in euro terms in the last quarter, which is mainly driven by units growth and prices, price increases, while posting around 13% growth on a yearly basis in euro terms with the impact of price increases.

As of December, Defy gained significant market share in unit terms and continued a strong leadership position in the market. Revenue coming from Beko Egypt were up by 29% on a yearly basis in euro terms, again, with the impact of price increases. However, on a quarterly basis, the import regulation imposed by the government in Egypt is negatively impacting the sales, and revenue fell by 26% in euro terms. Revenues from APAC region, having 14% share in total revenue, were down by 5% on a yearly basis in the fourth quarter in euro terms. In Pakistan, lower AC sales and deteriorated purchasing power of consumers, the units were down on both quarterly and yearly basis. Net sales were contracted by 9% on a quarterly basis in local currency and 11% in euro terms.

On a yearly basis, driven mainly by price increases, net sales were up by almost 6% in local currency. With the depreciation of PKR against euro, that resulted in almost 8% contraction in revenue in euro terms. Higher TV units and price increases in Bangladesh in the last quarter resulted in 4% annual revenue growth in local currency. In euro terms, revenues were down by 3% on a yearly basis due to the appreciating of Bangladesh currency against euro. I will continue with the cost side, focusing on the raw material prices. We have seen the downward trend in the raw material prices which continued in the fourth quarter, mainly as a result of ease energy prices and continued contraction in demand.

Despite the significant fall of the prices compared to the pre-pandemic prices, the costs are still very high. Going forward, as being primary cost drivers of raw material, supply-demand equilibrium and energy costs will play a critical role for the trend of the prices. I want to highlight that, through strict proactive and effective management in a timely manner, we have been able to have lower costs compared to market levels. In Q4, and we'll move to the next slide, sales brief slide. In Q4, Turkey sales grew by 111.8% organically on a yearly basis, international sales increased by 60.6%.

Out of this growth, 9.7% was organic, 41.7% was coming from the FX impact, and 9.1% is coming from our latest acquisition. On the right-hand side, you can see our regional sales breakdown. We have been benefiting from having enhanced operating geographies and are always eyes for further expansion. Turkey's share in total revenue was 32% in the fourth quarter of 2022, while the share of Western Europe declined to 26% from 31% compared to a legal. Europe as a total had 45% share in total revenue, which remains largest. I will continue with the summary financials. Consolidated net sales grew by 40, 74% on a yearly basis in the fourth quarter, despite operating in a declining demand environment.

However, we have seen higher white goods sales in Turkey. Turkish lira depreciation and our pricing initiatives were supporting that growth. On an an organic basis, the growth was 67%. On a quarterly basis, Arçelik's consolidated revenues were up by 14%, mainly attributable to price increases and inorganic growth. On an organic basis, revenue growth was 11%. Our gross margin in the fourth quarter was up by 27 basis points on a yearly basis to almost 30%, close to 30%. EBITDA margin expanded by 42 basis points to 9.1% on a quarterly basis. With the impact of improved OpEx to sales ratio, where we lowered marketing and logistics costs. On a yearly basis, EBITDA margin was down slightly by 21 basis points.

Annual EBITDA margin for 2022 was realized at 9%, which is close to our guidance. We have posted net income of TRY 2.664 billion in the final quarter of 2022. Net margin was expanded by 283 basis points to 6.8%. This includes a one-off item where we have recorded an income of negative goodwill, which is coming from our recent acquisition with the amount of almost TRY 1.4 billion. When we exclude that one-off item, net profit margin was up by 56 basis points to 3.2%. In 2022, we realized TRY 4.7 billion net income, which is reflecting 45% annual growth and 3.5% margin.

Excluding that one-off item, net income growth was 10%, and the margin was 2.4%. When we look to our debt portfolio, our net debt increased by TRY 1.2 billion compared to third quarter, mainly thanks to the free cash flow that we have generated in this quarter. Our cash in the balance sheet increased by TRY 4.1 billion, again, with the impact of free cash flow and also collection of receivables. As of 2022 year-end, we have TRY 24.5 billion equivalent cash in our balance sheet with well diversification between currencies. You can see that 39% of our total cash is in dollar denominated and 20% in euro and TRY is 30%.

As a result, our leverage was down by 0.42 times compared to last quarter. As of year 2022 year-end, we have TRY 49.1 billion equivalent debt. Twenty-five percent of our debt portfolio is in Turkish lira, while uero and dollar share was 38% and 21% respectively. The effective interest rate of Turkish lira was 21.6% as of year-end. I continue with the next slide. On the upper left corner, you can see the bridge of our EBITDA margin. As I have mentioned, lower OpEx to sales ratio and due to lower OpEx sales ratio, consolidated EBITDA margin was expanded on a yearly basis. On the lower left corner, you can see our CapEx to sales ratio, which is almost 5.5%.

On the upper right corner, net working capital sales ratio, you can see quarterly. The ratio decreased to 21% as of end of Q4 from 26.3% as of end of Q3. Final on the lower right corner, for the second consecutive quarter, we generated positive free cash flow, this time with TRY 3.3 billion. Mainly, with the, which is attributable to improved EBITDA and net working capital sales ratio improvement. I will continue with the guidance. In 2022, we have delivered our Turkey international and consolidated revenue guidance. We have registered 96% Turkey revenue growth, 18% international revenue growth, which is close to our guidance, and 96% consolidated revenue growth in total.

In terms of EBITDA margin, with the impact of higher material costs that we have experienced and euro dollar parity, which impacted our profit margin, we have lowered our EBITDA guidance, and we have delivered 9% EBITDA margin, which is slightly lower than our guidance. Our net working capital sales ratio was 21% as of year-end, which is well below our guidance. That is mainly due to decreased level of inventories as well as the collection performance. In terms of capital expenditures, we closed the year with EUR 220 million delivering our guidance. The barrier is mainly coming from the shift in CapEx to the next quarter. Next year expectations, I mean 2023 expectations.

We are expecting our Turkey revenue to be increased by around 45% year-on-year in Turkish lira terms, mainly driven by price increases and slightly increase in units and also mix improvements. We expect our international revenue to be increased by around 6% year-on-year in euro terms, which also includes our acquisition impact. On a consolidated basis, we expect our revenues to be increased by around 45% in Turkish lira terms. In terms of EBITDA margin, from today's point of view, we expect better margin in 2023. We are expecting material prices to go down further and with the mix improvement as well as the strategic pricings, we will be delivering a higher EBITDA compared to 9% this year.

Our expectation is 10% EBITDA for 2023. In terms of net working capital sales, we aim to lower our net working capital from the levels of 25%-23%. We think we will be hitting between 23% and 25% in 2023. Our OpEx guidance is around EUR 300 million, which is including our new factories in Bangladesh and Egypt. That was the final slide of my presentation, we can go to the questions right now.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star followed by one on their telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Please use your handset when asking your question for better quality. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. One moment for the first question, please. The first question comes from the line of Cemal Demirtaş with Ata Invest. Please go ahead.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

Thank you for the presentation, and congratulations for the results. My first question is about the one-off items, which the impact of Russian operations. Could we further elaborate some details about the profitability of that operations? Because when we look at your numbers, we see around TRY 69 million contribution to the net income, in the, you know, after the acquisition. When we look at the impact before the acquisition, it's much more limited. Could we assume some seasonality in the Russian operations? That's my first question. When you look at the net income effects, do we include the tax impact? Do you have any positive tax impact from that side, from the acquisition side?

Could we attribute, better, you know, lower than expected tax expense or let's say higher the tax income, could be attributed that to some acquisitions or asset revelations? Thank you.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Thank you, Cemal Bey. That one-off item which we, which has a positive impact in our P&L, is mainly coming from the difference of the assets that we acquired and the amount that we will be paying for that acquisition in a deferred term. What I mean is, the agreement with that acquisition will be paid in deferred payments considering the performance of the company. The expected value to be paid is lower than the assets that we have acquired. Therefore, we have posted a TRY 1.4 billion net income in the P&L. There is no tax advantage coming from that acquisition.

The positive impact that we see in our P&L, as the deferred tax asset is mainly coming from the Turkey operations, where we have higher amounts of incentives that we can utilize that is coming from the investments that we have made so far. Since we are continuing on that investment, the amount that we are going to utilize is increasing. That is, creating a further tax asset which we have posted in last quarter as a positive tax, income item.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

Thank you. Özkan Bey, another follow-up about the trends. I didn't have a chance to look at all the details of financial expenses, but still I see higher financial expenses compared to my estimate. Could you give us a little bit color on the financing environment, especially in the working capital needs side? How was the picture? Did you record any FX funds in that front? You know, how was the financing environment for you? That's my question. The third question is about the outlook use in your growth guidance. Could you share as any inflation or, you know, the TRY depreciation assumption?

It just coincides with my numbers, but I wanna understand if you can give any, you know, detail on that side to better understand the picture in the guidance assumptions. Related to that, how do you see so far the first quarter? Thank you. It has been four questions, sorry for that.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Okay. Let me start with the financing part. As you will recall, in the last quarter, our inventory levels have gone up mainly due to the decline in the demand. We had higher working capital needs as of last quarter. We have mentioned that we will be focusing on our net working capital to lower that amount, so which we have successfully managed and lowered our inventory levels as well as decreased our receivables. That's created a TRY 3.3 billion positive impact in this quarter. The environment that we see as you all follow that interest rates have gone up and still continues to increase. Mainly most of the countries are targeting low to lower inflation rates, so therefore the central banks act to increase the rates.

Given that we have Turkish lira borrowing in our balances, we are the rates that we have for the renewed Turkish lira loans is higher compared to last year. Our average Turkish lira loan life is around 22% levels. Each time we have further additional loan, the rate is increasing. On the FX side, we have seen the increased impact in our financials that additional FX loans is expensive compared to the ones that we carry in our balance sheet. All in all, our net debt position is around EUR 1.3 billion levels. That didn't change much in a negative way, but the interest rate is increasing.

We have posted FX loss in our financials around TRY 550 million levels in this quarter. This is mainly coming from the position, FX position in our balance sheets, net FX position. We are hedging our position so that comes with a cost. That cost is around 25% if you wanna hedge your FX position. That means we are also having a negative impact in our PNL to hedge our position. For the outlook of next year, when we look at the markets, we see the impact in inflationary impact, and energy prices have gone up now. Nowadays, we see some decline in energy prices. However, that impacts the behavior of the customers.

The customers, especially in the Europe region and all the other international regions, might be less reluctant to spend on our appliances. That brings some to say, have some conservative approach to market that what we have considered as a growth in unit terms is a slightly improvements compared to last year. Mainly our increases of 6% growth in international market is coming from price increases. In Q1, actually, we haven't seen the results yet for January. However, in, as a general comment, I can say that for the next year we are not expecting a unit-wise strong growth, even in Turkey and all the international markets.

All the growth will mainly come from a mixed impact, price increases as long as we can do in those markets. Also, the switch to high-end products, also built-in channels. I think I assume I answered all your questions. If anything is missing, I can comment as well.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

Thank you. Thank you. It's fine. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Egor Fedorov with ING Bank. Please go ahead.

Egor Fedorov
Senior Credit Analyst, ING Bank

Hi, thank you for picking up my question, my line. I, well, I have three question. First is regarding your debt activities and refinancing of maturing USD-denominated loan. How would you prefer to refinance it? To extend, maybe to come to the market or, well, to use other opportunities? This would be my first question. Second, I think you partly answered, but just, well, maybe you might also elaborate a little bit. How do you see demand in Western, Eastern Europe and in Turkey in terms of number of unit sales volumes? Are you going to sell more or less, well, in the international market in Turkey, well, like in not, well, in terms of the revenues, but in terms of the number units?

Third question would be about your guidance. These figures, will they even in, including the impact of M&A with Beko or not?

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Thank you.

Egor Fedorov
Senior Credit Analyst, ING Bank

Thank you.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

We are working on our options of refinancing the Euro bond, which is due by April. The options on the table are we can have bank loans, we can go for issuance of EUR bonds, we can also have a syndication loan, which we will decide in the coming months. You asked the demands in Eastern Europe and Western Europe. As I mentioned, we do not expect a major significant unit growth in those markets because of the decline that is, that we have experienced in the last quarter of this year. Which we think will continue, but not at that levels.

That's why our growth is mainly coming from the price increases and mix improvements that we are planning. Similarly in Turkey, in Q1, we expect demand to be high. Due to uncertainties in Turkey that we might face, we do not expect major unit growth and all the growth that will be mainly coming from price changes and as well as the mixed improvements. In our guidance, since the Whirlpool transaction is just announced and we are in the interim periods where we are waiting for this transaction to be closed, there is no assumption in our financials which is reflecting any revenue associated with the acquisition.

Egor Fedorov
Senior Credit Analyst, ING Bank

Okay, thank you very much for answers. It's clear enough. Thank you.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Thank you.

Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question comes from the line of Harkiran Sira with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Harkiran Sira
Analyst, JPMorgan

Hello, thank you very much for the presentation. I have two questions. The first one is related to acceleration in the receivables collection. What actions have you taken to achieve this reduction in the receivable base? How sustainable is this, and will you continue on the actions that you have taken to keep the working capital low? Second one is, I think, this could be pretty obvious, but I, considering that you are not looking for a major volume pickup, being conservative overall in the guidance, how should we think about your profitability on a quarterly basis? I mean, profitable trend. You are looking still for year-on-year improvement in the first half or more in the second half? Thank you very much.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Thank you. Actually we are focused on our Turkey operations more closely, where we can improve our collection cycle. We have some incentives to the dealers to which they prefer to pay in advance rather than waiting to due date. Those incentives and closely monitoring of our receivables help to improve our cash flow. Also in the other markets, we have look for the options of factoring of receivables, which actually accelerated our collections in a positive way. What I can say, those costs were compared to financing is were favorable, therefore we have chosen to use that option.

How sustainable it is, I think, it is more realistic to expect a level of 23s, rather than 21, which we have experienced in the last quarter. That I can say, we will continue to lower our net working capital base ratio as if we consider average of all quarters. 23%, or between 23 and 25 is the realistic, net working capital levels.

Harkiran Sira
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thank you very much. Would you please also comment about the profitability trend-

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Yes.

Harkiran Sira
Analyst, JPMorgan

on a quarterly basis? Thank you.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Yes. Our profit levels is actually depending on how fast will the raw materials will decrease, continue to decrease, and as well as the quantities because of the transformation costs that too is impacting our EBITDA margin. In terms of our projection, we haven't, we do not see a distinguishing between factors between quarters. We can say that in average, all the quarters will be around 20, sorry, 10% level.

Harkiran Sira
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Once again, to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. As a final reminder, to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. We have a follow-up question from the line of Cemal Demirtaş with Ata Invest. Please go ahead.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

Özkan , a follow-up question about the effective tax side. You recorded some deferred tax income in the fourth quarters. Could we expect that to continue in the first half of the year? What was the, you know, reason behind that? It was attributed to any asset revelation? That's my question.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Yeah. Cemal, this was mainly coming from Turkey operations, that positive impact. The reason of that increase, sorry, the positive impact is mainly attributable to the investments that we are making and the incentives that are associated with those investments. The investment levels increased, and the amount that we can utilize created a tax asset in this quarter. In the coming year, we do not expect a major increase in the deferred tax asset coming from Turkey operations. Of course, the effective tax rate will change depending on the contribution of each market. I can say that we are not expecting deferred tax income for the next year.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

Again, related to Russia operations, the acquisition side, do we see any seasonality in that side? When we look at the numbers, we see that second half is stronger. You know, what could be the contribution in the first half in a dilutive or supportive, in terms of the, you know, the growth side and the margin? I don't know if you can give any color on that.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

To clarify your question. The acquisition was recently done, I think you're comparing this year last quarter with.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

Uh-

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

2021?

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

What I am doing is, when I look at your number for Russia and the regional operations, the contribution since your acquisition is around from TRY 1.7 billion. When we look at the full year effect, from your footnotes, I see that TRY 2.8 billion for the full year if you start consolidation from the beginning of the year. When I look at the number, you know, the portion in the second half or the, you know, the revenue from that operations in the second half, looks or after August looks much higher. That's why I ask this question?

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Yes. There is some seasonality impact coming from the business. You're right. We have been able to increase our position in the market since many players are not that active compared to previous periods. The impact is coming from that portion as a further growth meaning.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

One last question about the IAS 29 side. You know, in Turkey, not many companies are implementing that. I would like to, you know, ask your position about the, this, you know, we know that Turkish regulation, tax regulations didn't apply, but they gave a chance to asset revelation. Overall, I would like to see, you know, understand your view, if you know, the, in... Did you have any studies on that, as, you know, you're a major global company now. I would like to understand your perspective on that IAS 29 for the following years or if for this year, you know, can you make any comment to understand the impact or inflation on your operations? Just a view.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Yes. We haven't done, we haven't finished the analysis yet. We are still in the process of calculating the overall impact, which will come from our two entities in Turkey, which are subject to inflation adjustments. I can say that we will not be negatively impacted. The magnitude we are still working on. There is no requirement to reflect it to the financial target, TFRS. We will do that internal study, and once required, we will publish those figures.

Cemal Demirtaş
Head of Research, Ata Invest

Thank you. Thank you, Özkan .

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

You're welcome.

Operator

As a final reminder, to register for a question, please press star one on your telephone. At this moment, there are no further audio questions. We will now move to our written questions. The first question is from Can Memiş with Deniz Invest, and I quote, "Thank you for your presentation. Can we assume EBITDA margin first quarter 2023 better than fourth quarter 2022, and second quarter 2023 better than first quarter 2023?

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Yes. Thank you for the question. We definitely can expect Q1 to be better than Q4 this year. As I said, all the other quarters will be pretty much in the same level of around 10%. We expect value to increase, but as a percentage to be within the same range.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Ç imen for any closing comments. Thank you.

Özkan Çimen
CFO, Arçelik

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in our Q4 earnings call. We will meet you in the next earnings call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now concluded.

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