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Earnings Call: H1 2025

Jul 29, 2025

Summary

Stellantis Türkiye acquisition drove market leadership and boosted H1 2025 results, with strong domestic demand and production ramp-up offsetting export declines. Revenue rose 17% to TRY 95 billion, and guidance for domestic sales and market size was raised.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I am Mina, your call's call operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS conference call and live webcast to present and discuss the first half 2025 financial results. All participants will be in a listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a question-and-answer session. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero on your telephone. At this time, I will pass the conference over to Mr. Cengiz Eroldu, CEO; Mr. Ahmet Taşangil, CFO; Mr. Mehmet Ağyüz, CFA, Investor Relations Manager. Mr. Taşangil, you may now proceed.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Thank you, Mina. Good afternoon and good morning. Thank you all for joining our call. In a moment, Mehmet Ağyüz, our Head of Investor Relations, will take you through the details of our results for the first half of 2025. But before that, I would like to provide you some highlights for the results. At the end of April, we closed the Stellantis Türkiye transaction. Hence, our first half results reflect two months impact of this acquisition. Thanks to this impact and slightly better profitability, net income turned to positive in Q2. With this acquisition, TOFAŞ is now the domestic market leader with a total light vehicle market share of 26.2%. Our LCV market share was around 45%, while PC market share was 22% in the first half of this year.

One of our key focus areas is the integration of Stellantis Türkiye and exploiting synergies from sizable scale economies to create additional value. In the second quarter, despite tight macroeconomic environment, domestic light vehicle demand was strong with a year-on-year growth of 17%. After two consecutive years of record light vehicle sales, year-to-date pace of demand exceeded our expectations and creates an upside risk to our previous guidance for the full year. Production tempo at our plants continued to increase in Q2 with 23% growth over the previous quarter. The ramp-up of our new commercial vehicle K0 is in progress, and we foresee a notable acceleration in production, thanks to launch of new variants of this model in the second half of the year.

Lastly, we plan to release the details of our new model in the third quarter, which we previously announced as 150,000 units annual production capacity with an investment of EUR 256 million. We started the pre-spending of this investment and expect this model to significantly improve our profitability when the production begins in the third quarter of the next year. I will now give the floor to Mehmet for the rest of the presentation, and we would be glad to answer your questions. Thank you.

Mehmet Ağyüz
Investor Relations Manager, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

All right. Thank you, Ahmet. Good afternoon and good morning, everybody. We start with the production. In the first half, Turkish motor vehicle production was flat compared to the prior year and reached around 706,000 units. In this production, TOFAŞ constituted around 8.4% of the industry, with a production of around 59,000 units. In this quarter alone, our production was realized at 33,000 units, which increased by more than 20%, and this reflects the ramp-up of our K0 model. In terms of production mix, passenger cars constitute around 62%. This is slightly less than the prior year, while the remainder consisted of the LCV production. Moving on to domestic markets. Despite the ongoing tight monetary conditions and macroeconomic conditions, light vehicle demand was robust in the first half of the year and grew by 5%, reaching 608,000 units.

This performance was mainly driven by the strong acceleration in the second quarter, where we observed a demand increase of 17% in second quarter alone, and t his growth was evenly distributed between LCV and the PC side. The main driver of this growth was, you can see here, after two years of record demand in the first two months of the year, as we expected, there is a slight pullback in demand. However, starting from March, the growth came back for the light vehicle market. This is mainly due to start of the macro volatility during that month with consumers pulling their demand forward and also triggered by the dealer campaigns. Secondly, increasing penetration of the full electric vehicle sales, where consumers are trying to take advantage of the low special consumption tax in certain segments of the electric vehicle segment.

Thirdly, as you know, there has been a quite tight monetary policy in Türkiye in the last two years and deposit rates are quite high, and t here is also a lag effect from that with the sizable savings in the system, and t his benefits overall light vehicle demand in Türkiye. In this growing and attractive market, Türkiye becomes quite a strategic market for Stellantis group. You can see the market shares in Europe of the Stellantis brands, and i n terms of market share, Türkiye stands at third position in Europe. Also, in terms of sales volume, it stands at fourth position, and t his shows the strategic importance of Türkiye for Stellantis and hence, increases the importance of TOFAŞ in Stellantis universe. This strong sales performance are powered by, of course, an unmatched dealer network.

TOFAŞ has the most extensive sales and service network after the acquisition, with a sales point of more than 400 sales points and service centers of close to 650. You can see the average market share of Stellantis brands was hovering around 30% in the last four or five years, and our goal is also to improve towards this level in the coming years. TOFAŞ has an extensive brand portfolio, mainly four main brands and four premium brands. In parallel to the performance of Türkiye in Stellantis world, for the brands, Türkiye is very important. For Citroën, it is the fourth largest market. Also, Fiat, as you know, we have been the market leader six years in a row, and Fiat is the most selling brand of Stellantis globally. Türkiye is the fourth biggest market for Fiat brand in the world.

Also, after Germany and U.K., Türkiye is the third largest market for Opel brands. Also, Peugeot, which is one of the most important brands of Stellantis, second most selling brand of Stellantis, Türkiye is a market where Stellantis has the fourth biggest sales in the world. This slide shows the sales combination of the both groups as if it is a pro forma basis, as if it is consolidated since 2024, and y ou can see as of the first half of 2025, group sales was close to 160,000 units, and 2/3 of that, 105,000 units, was constituted of the Stellantis Türkiye brands, and the rest was from our mainly Fiat brands.

There is around a 3% decline, but as you can see, the main driver of that is the decline in the Fiat sales due to the product transition at our plants, and also the aging of our product portfolio, whereas Stellantis brands increased their volumes by around 15% compared to the prior years. And more remarkable figure here is the LCV sales, which constitutes around 1/3 of the group's combined sales in the local market. There is a 16% increase compared to the prior years, despite the phase-out of one of our main commercial vehicles at the end of first half of last year. This slide shows the overall breakdown of our total market share in the market, where we have 26% market share, which is comfortably ahead of the closest peers.

You can see the breakdown of our sales, where Fiat brand constitutes around 1/3 of our sales, and Peugeot by around 1/4, and the rest is pretty much evenly split between Citroën and Opel brands. In terms of market share by brands, you can see here that compared to the prior year, Peugeot and Opel brands improved their market share. This is supported by their new product cycles that there has been a heavy launch of new models in the past 9- 12 months. Here, the year-over-year decline in the Fiat brand is due to the phase-out and the transition which we expect to recover in the coming years. On the LCV market share side, the decline on the Fiat side is due to phase-out of Fiorino, whereas the other Stellantis brands all seen a remarkable increase in their market shares compared to the last year.

Now, we are controlling almost slightly less than 1/2 of the market on the LCV side, which we expect to sustain this performance with higher production portfolio in the coming years. On the passenger car side, I would like to mention that Peugeot brand expanded its local passenger car market share here by around 500 basis points. This is mainly driven by the fivefold increase in the BEV sales. Most of you are following that there has been a significant penetration of the electric vehicles in the Turkish market, and Peugeot brand is also taking its fair share from this, which now, electric vehicles constitute around 15% of its PV shipments. Moving on to export business. Our export volumes stood at around slightly above 17,000 units in the first half, which is 33% less.

Although we had a remarkable jump in our LCV exports, which grew by close to 60% at 15,000 units, thanks to the ongoing ramp-up of K0 models, t his was offset by the decline in our passenger cars export business, which became quite at a low level. Our export volumes, on a monthly basis, you could observe here that after four months of decline, our export volumes resumed growth, and we are expecting further growth and acceleration in the remainder of the year, especially with the launch of the new variants of the K0 model as our plan. In terms of regional breakdown of our export business, in the first half, France became the biggest market for exports with more than 30% of our shipments, followed by Italy at 20% and Germany by 13%, compared to Italy and MENA region last year.

Still, as you know, we are at the ramp-up phase of our exports and this chart is likely to change when we see much higher volumes on the export side. This slide shows our shipment volumes by model and brand. On the left-hand side are our export volumes. We shipped around 8,600 less exports and mainly due to Tipo and the phase-out of Fiorino, which is partly offset by ramp-up of K0 models. On the right-hand side, first half 2025 figures includes the two-month contribution of Stellantis Türkiye. With that, we shipped 24,000 units more, reaching to slightly less than 100,000 units in the first half of the year. So, overall, our total shipments grew by around 15,000 units to 116,000 units as of the first half of 2025. Moving on to financial performance.

15% increase on the volumes reflected into the revenue with a similar increase at 17% increase, where revenues stand at TRY 95 billion in the first half, and t his translates into TRY 3.2 billion EBITDA and TRY 1.3 billion PBT in the first half of the year. This shows a snapshot of our P&L. Although in the second quarter there has been a significant improvement with the contribution of Stellantis and also slightly better profitability of the core business, w e recorded TRY 1.3 billion of PBT, which is 77% less than the prior year, a nd with the effect of the deferred tax, we recorded TRY 1.6 billion of net profit with a net margin of slightly less than 2%. In terms of balance sheets, as you know that we paid EUR 400 million at the end of April for the acquisition of Stellantis Türkiye.

With that, our cash position compared to the year-end is TRY 7 billion less at TRY 16 billion. One important aspect to highlight here is that you can see the increase in the inventory and trade receivables at around TRY 33 billion, mainly offset by the increase on the payables, with very limited burden on the net working capital. Also, intangible assets increased by around TRY 7 billion due to the goodwill we recorded for the acquisition. So, all in all, our shareholders' equities stood at TRY 48 billion as of the end of the first half. Moving on to investment. We spent EUR 67 million in the first half of the year, part of which consisted of our ongoing K0 investment for the new variants of this family.

Also, the remainder consisted of the other investments, which mainly include the new vehicle projects in the second quarter of the year. Moving on to outlook. Considering the higher- than- expected demand in the local markets, we are raising our domestic light vehicle market expectation by around 15% to 1.1 million-1.2 million units. Incorporating the Stellantis Türkiye acquisition to our volumes, we are also raising our domestic retail sales by around 200,000 units to 300,000-330,000 units. I should mention that this is the annualized volume, assuming that Stellantis is with us for the full year, whereas as you know, we will see the benefits for the eight months of the year. On the export side, we are slightly reducing the high end of our guidance by 10,000 units to 70,000-80,000 units.

In parallel to that, our production volumes come to 150,000-160,000 units. We maintain our CapEx for the EUR 150 million, which does not include our previously announced new light vehicle models, which is likely to be revised at the next call. For the PBT margin, as you know, we suspended our PBT margin in the previous call due to the very recent approval of the Stellantis Türkiye. So, after careful assessment of this business, we assume our PBT margin guidance for 2025 at around 3%, and more importantly, for 2028, we are setting our PBT margin targets to 5%-7% with the full consolidation of Stellantis Türkiye as well as the ramp-up and the launch of the new product as our plan. This concludes our presentation, and we are here to take your questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will begin the question-and-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star followed by one on their telephone. Kılıçkıran, Hanzade with JP Morgan, please go ahead.

Hanzade Kılıçkıran
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thank you very much for the presentation. I have two questions. The first one is about your PBT margin guidance for 2028. Can you please explain what additional projects are included in this margin guidance, and w hat would be the target capacity utilization rate by 2028? Second, you had a rather slow start in exports in this year, but you do not much change the guidance. I mean, what is the reason of slow start? Is it due to low demand or the ramp-up process takes some time? How comfortable are you with your export guidance for this year? Thank you.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Thank you, Hanzade, for the questions. Starting with our guidance for 2028, we mentioned, like, 5%-7%, which is currently around 2%. Now, I mean, there are two main ingredients for the increase. One is the increase in our capacity utilization rate. Starting from 2028, we would like to have the plant to work on the full capacity basis. This will increase our productivity a lot. In 2028, the number of vehicles to be sold, we assume that it will be around 600,000 units. So, that will also increase our profitability. The third reason of the increase in the profitability is the mix change from the import cars to the locally produced cars. With the new projects on hand and to be announced in the coming months, we will also have a change in our mix on a gradual basis in the coming years.

As you know, the local produced cars have much more profitability margin. So, that will be the third engine, if you like, on the increase of our margins. On the other one, we know we are mentioning about the ramp-up stage for K0 a lot, but that is the reality. We will be introducing new models, new variants in the coming months as well, such as combi and platform cab. So, this will increase our export volumes, and we are confident that we will make the volumes that we mentioned in our guidance. Thank you.

Hanzade Kılıçkıran
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thank you very much. That's very clear.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Demirtaş, Cemal with Ata Invest. Please go ahead.

Cemal Demirtaş
Analyst, Ata Invest

Thank you for the presentation. The first question is about the competitiveness of Turkish plants. Could you comment on that current situation? I wonder. The second one is about the investment amounts for the rest of the year and possibly in 2026 and 2027. Just a rough amounts, euro- denominated amount would be helpful. The third one is about the Stellantis Türkiye operations. In footnotes, we see the gross margin at 8% and net margin at 1.5%. Could you comment on the EBITDA margin side for Stellantis Türkiye, at least for the portion you mentioned in the footnotes? It will be helpful maybe for the future. Thank you very much.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much on the three questions. Going one by one, starting from the very first one, I mean, f or the competitiveness of the Turkish plant, as you know, the current situation, especially on the euro inflation side, on the transformation cost, we are not at our best stage. But we believe that this is not at a sustainable level, and in the years to come, we will again be in a very competitive stage in terms of competitiveness regarding the transformation cost part. For the investment amount, it is hard to make a number for the time being, but as you know, for a vehicle that has a capacity of more than 100,000 units per annum, you know the numbers that we announced. The investment CapEx is around EUR 250 million.

As I mentioned you, starting from 2028, we would like to be in a stage where we use the plant at a full capacity. So, f or the time being, we have only one project that is new. Again, the Tipo is an aging one. You know that we will announce another one, and it will be at a capacity of 150,000 units with an investment amount of EUR 250 million. The third vehicle, you may assume for your analysis around those numbers, because we also assume that that third vehicle project will be around no less than 100,000 units of annual production capacity. You can just spread them into the upcoming years for your estimations as well. On Stellantis Türkiye side, I mean, the margins, we really don't disclose them on an entity basis, but as you mentioned, you can come up with some rough estimations.

You may safely assume that it is no different than the TOFAŞ consolidated numbers that you have on hand. Thank you.

Cemal Demirtaş
Analyst, Ata Invest

Thank you. At the EBITDA level, because at the EBITDA level, again, excluding Stellantis, the growth margin was much lower, so that's why I ask the impact on the EBITDA level. That's okay. That's fine. My last question, another question is about the demand conditions. This year was surprisingly resilient, to be honest, but s everal factors affected. I would like to hear some color on the current situation, mostly after the special consumption tax changes and also the electric vehicle side. How do you see the trends from your side? Thank you.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Thank you for the question. As you mentioned, the market is really resilient for the time being, and we expect that it will go on. So, we also increased our guidance on this one. We believe that the number will not be no less than 1.1 million vehicles for the year, even maybe 1.2 million. Again, we will see that one. Regarding the recent changes, as you know, on the macroeconomic side, the easing has also started, so it will be an upside potential for the market. On the other end, as you also know, there is a change in the special consumption tax brackets as well. For us, that one will have a neutral effect on the market.

Maybe we can see some ups and downs in the near future, but on the medium term, I'm talking about the whole market for the whole year, we don't see a major change in terms of the market size. As you know, we have a market share of almost 30%, and we have eight brands on hand. So, some brands, they are negatively affecting from the special consumption tax, and others are positively affecting. That's the beauty of having such a vast portfolio, and we are trying to get the most of it. We believe that, and it is also based on our guidance, we would like to increase our market share from the level that it's at, 26%, for the time being. We also believe that we will at least make 27%-28% of market share. Thank you.

Cemal Demirtaş
Analyst, Ata Invest

Thank you.

Operator

Mr. Demirtaş, are you done with your questions?

Cemal Demirtaş
Analyst, Ata Invest

Yes, I'm done. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you so much, sir. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question is a follow-up question from the line of Kılıçkıran, Hanzade with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hanzade Kılıçkıran
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thank you. I just want to make a follow-up about on the merged entity. What is the current leverage on the merged entity? I couldn't calculate it as I don't know the last month of EBITDA in Stellantis. Thank you.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Yes. On that one, as you know, we paid the transaction in cash, EUR 400 million, and we were in a net cash position before that. Just excluding the consumer finance business, just taking into account TOFAŞ and Stellantis Türkiye all together, for the industrial debt, if you like, we are at a net debt position of around EUR 70 million. Just taking into account our EBITDA levels, it is a very healthy position. We are here to invest more for the projects that I just mentioned.

Hanzade Kılıçkıran
Analyst, JPMorgan

All right. Thank you very much. You have highlighted about the third project, third model, which is, I think, included in your 2028 PBT guidance. Is it also fair to assume that a similar type of amount of CapEx could be spent on this third project as well, like EUR 250 million, or this may require more higher CapEx?

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

It is too early to give an exact number. We are still in talks with Stellantis on this one. But as an assumption, if you take what I just mentioned in one of the previous questions, you will not be too wrong for your estimations.

Hanzade Kılıçkıran
Analyst, JPMorgan

All right. Thank you very much.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Thank you.

Operator

Once again, to register for a question, please press star one on your telephone. Ladies and gentlemen, we have the next follow-up question from the line of Demirtaş, Cemal with Ata Invest. Please go ahead.

Cemal Demirtaş
Analyst, Ata Invest

Thank you. Could you comment on the synergies to be generated from the merger with Stellantis Türkiye? What are the early impressions before the deal and after the deal? Could you elaborate that a little bit? Did you see a better than expected picture or a little bit slower than expected, maybe a recovery or realization of synergies? What are your early impressions? That is my question.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Thank you very much for the question. As I mentioned, we have started our studies for the synergies. There are many actual areas that we can get synergies, and we are trying to get the most of it. Even for this year, we will be getting some synergies, both from logistics, from purchasing, from general administrative expenses, an amount around EUR 10 million. This, we believe, will increase in the years to come, especially when we also launch the medium-term projects as well, especially on spare parts business and secondhand business as well. We are really positive on this, both on cost synergy side and also on the revenue synergy side. We are really positive, and things are going well for the time being.

Cemal Demirtaş
Analyst, Ata Invest

Thank you. Maybe last question, maybe to Cengiz bey. I would like to hear, he just talked about the last 20 years, maybe for TOFAŞ, there have been three major moves, and possibly, in my view, that is the third one. The first one was with Doblò, and the other was with new project. It looks to me like this is a third big cycle coming for TOFAŞ. I just want to hear what you think about this perspective. Thank you.

Cengiz Eroldu
CEO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Cemal , thank you for the question. You are also self-answer to the question. As you know, in the automotive industry, there is always cycles for the companies. I think we are entering in one of the new investment cycles also after the long discussion between the shareholders. Now, we conclude them in a very positive way, and now, we are looking forward. As you said, we are in the new loop of investments and the new projects. We are working on the second one, and hopefully, we will be able to announce also the others in the coming periods. Thank you.

Cemal Demirtaş
Analyst, Ata Invest

Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further audio questions at this time. We will now move on to written questions from our webcast participants. The first webcast question is from Mehmet Levent Penbegül , and I quote, " In light of the new projects initiated through the Stellantis partnership, what is TOFAŞ's long-term strategy for product portfolio beyond 2027? Is the focus shifting solely towards LCVs or is there a balanced mix of passenger and commercial vehicles targeted for both domestic and export markets?"

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Okay. Thank you for the question. As Cengiz has mentioned, the very first target that we have is to fulfill the capacity of the plant, which is around 400,000 units, and f or this one, we have K0. We will announce another one in the coming months as well, and the third vehicle project as well. That will be our first aim for the time being. At least one of the projects should be, we believe, on the PC side as well, so that we can also grab our fair share, if you like, on the Turkish market, on the PC segment as well. But the very first aim is to fulfill the capacity, and then we will move forward. If we achieve this target, then maybe there can be other projects to enlarge the capacity as well. But, I mean, this is a far shot for the time being.

The roadmap that we have ahead is clear for us. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, sir. The next webcast question is also from Mr. Mehmet Levent Penbegül , and I quote, "With the Egea production cycle coming to an end, could you please share your strategic vision for the new model plan to replace it in terms of segment positioning, market allocation, domestic versus export, and expected ramp-up timeline? Specifically, by which quarter of 2027 do you anticipate reaching full capacity utilization? And are there any ongoing discussions for additional product mandates to sustain this utilization into 2028 and beyond?"

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Okay. On the Egea side, on the Tipo side, we are discussing about a possible extension, but we haven't decided it yet. But we will make it clear, in this quarter as well, whether to extend it or not. That is one thing. On the other hand, as you know, with the acquisition, now, we command a volume of more than 300,000 units domestic sales. So, we are not only confined with one model for one brand. Now, we have a very significant portfolio. So, I mean, from a sustainability point of view, we don't feel any kind of a concern in terms of our market share and in terms of our presence. Speaking about the upcoming projects, we believe that we will launch the third vehicle in 2027. But the full rate of the production after the ramp-up, we will observe it in 2028.

Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a webcast question, please type your question on the webcast box. Once again, for our webcast participants, in order to submit your question, please type your question on the question box placed under the presentation. The next webcast question comes from Mehmet Levent Penbegül again, and the question is, "During the previous quarterly call, it was stated that the new model project with an annual capacity of 150,000 units was nearing finalization with Stellantis, and that further details would be disclosed shortly. However, no formal announcement has been made since then. Could you kindly clarify whether this delay is due to a change in project scope, timing, or strategic direction? Additionally, has the production timeline for model content been revised? Thank you."

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Thank you for the question. I mean, it is correct that we mentioned that it will be announced shortly. As you know, this kind of agreement takes some time, but we are at the very final stage of it, and we plan to announce it in this quarter. Having said that, we already started the pre-spending of it. So, the project will be on time, and we expect that it will be launched in the third quarter of 2026.

Operator

As a reminder, for people who want to ask questions during our webcast presentation, please type your question on the accordingly box. Once again, for our web participants, please type your questions in the question box from the webcast participation. Our next webcast question is from Cenk Orçan with HSBC, and I quote, "Will you extend Egea type of sales into 2026 until launch of the new LCV? Thank you."

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

We are currently evaluating the option to extend it, and we will make our decision within this quarter. Thank you.

Operator

As a final reminder, in order to register your written question, please join the webcast and type the question in the question box. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Taşangil for any closing comments. Thank you.

Ahmet Taşangil
CFO, TOFAŞ Türk Otomobil Fabrikası AS

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mina. We certainly appreciate your time today and your interest in TOFAŞ. I wish you a good day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now concluded, and you may disconnect your telephones. Thank you for calling and have a pleasant afternoon.