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Earnings Call: Q1 2020

Feb 5, 2020

Operator

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Sappi Limited's First Quarter of 2020 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. There will be an opportunity to ask questions when prompted. If you should need assistance during the call, please signal an operator by pressing star and then zero. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Stephen Binnie. Please go ahead, sir.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Thank you. Good day, everybody. Thanks for joining us on the call today. As always, as I move through the investor presentation, I'll call out page numbers as I move through. I'm gonna start on page three, the highlights for the quarter. You can see some of the earnings numbers on the left-hand side. The numbers are lower than they were a year ago. EBITDA $139, lower than the prior year, and predominantly because of the lower dissolving wood pulp prices, which had a significant impact on profitability. I'm pleased to say that the packaging segment continues to grow and the margins improved in that area and will continue to improve. That's despite some pressure that we've experienced in our South African Containerboard segment or business. We'll talk a little bit more about that later. In graphic paper, I think a pretty good quarter.

In spite of market declines of double-digit, we were able to gain substantial market share and maintain our profitability. Pleased with that progress. The Matane integration continued in the quarter. We made the payment for the acquisition. The integration is going well, and there's no material surprises, no surprises. Turning to page four, the earnings bridge, and just calling out a few things. Firstly, the sales volumes were lower than last year. That's two areas really. Firstly, the South African packaging Containerboard side that I mentioned earlier and in Europe, our coated mechanical business volumes were less. However, obviously offsetting that has been volume increases in the other packaging segments. Pricing, you can see a significant negative impact, and that's predominantly linked to the lower dissolving wood pulp prices. We've done some good work on costs. Variable costs down.

We've seen some savings there, across the board, actually, but in pulp costs, chemical costs and the energy prices, costs in Europe. Overall, the exchange rate impact negated itself. We've seen a stronger dollar, which obviously impacted our South African business and our European business with that exchange rate. That offset itself, there was no net material impact. Giving you the earnings for the EBITDA for the quarter of $139 that I mentioned earlier. Slide five has our product contribution split, this is obviously evolving. Packaging continues to grow, obviously because of lower dissolving pulp prices, the contribution for dissolving pulp has come down and will continue to come down because obviously this is on an LTM basis. The lower prices will pull that contribution down as we move forward.

I'm pleased with the progress that we're making on packaging, and it will continue to increase its share and has now become a very meaningful contributor to overall profitability. Page six has the volumes and EBITDA margins by segments. I'm not gonna call out all the numbers, but just, obviously it was a difficult quarter because of lower dissolving pulp prices, and you can see its impact on the margins. When you look at graphics and packaging, we actually did pretty well. Margins, compared to historical norms, at good levels. We're ramping up on packaging, and that was in spite of the softer South African packaging that I mentioned earlier. Graphics, pretty good at just under 10%. Moving to Slide seven, the maturity debt maturity profile. We've done a lot of good work over the years on pushing out maturity dates.

The next key date for us is, that little block in yellow is some South African debt that's maturing in April, and we'll be obviously looking to refinance that as it matures. We don't anticipate any problems there. Turning to Slide eight, the CapEx. For this year, we're looking at about $460 million. A big chunk of that is the Saiccor expansion. Next year, as we look into 2021, we said it in the results announcement. Other than the Saiccor, we haven't committed any material CapEx. Obviously, we're monitoring the situation. We haven't finalized our budgets yet for next year. We're monitoring where pulp prices are gonna be and what it means for our available capital. Irrespective, we would expect it to be substantially lower than the current year, and certainly much closer to the $300 million mark.

Turning to the segments, firstly, Europe, which is on slide 10. I think it's fair to say that Europe had a good quarter. Obviously, we experienced market declines for graphic paper across the board of around about 10%, but we, in Smurfit Wood, have been able to gain substantial market share. We did take some downtime, about 28,000 tons, but that's predominantly on the mechanical paper side. The ramp-up following the conversion at Lanaken will help us with that going forward. Be pleased to say that packaging across the major sub-product categories within packaging and specialities, all growing, and we're making good progress there, and we continue to believe there's further opportunities. We also did a lot of good work on the costs, managing our costs downwards, and that helped protect margins.

I'm pleased to say, with the headwinds that we're facing on graphic paper, the region was able to deliver a 5% improvement in EBITDA. North America, in the next page 11, firstly on sales tons on the left, you can see that was up 17%, but we do include the Matane volumes. Post the acquisition, if you back them out, volumes were still up 7%, and obviously predominantly in the packaging space as we ramp up. Worth noting that from a segmental perspective going forward, product segmental perspective going forward, we will include the external sales from Matane in the DWP segment, and obviously the internal volumes are used in the packaging business, so that will move into that segment. Turning to the businesses underneath. Packaging, we're making very good progress. We're improving the product mix as we ramp up, and that obviously boosts machine efficiency.

DWP pricing obviously had an impact also in North America. That's why you see the year-on-year earnings down on a year ago. If you look at packaging and specialties and graphics, we've shown improvements on that side. Graphic demand actually was down 16% in the quarter. Our decline was substantially less, and we were able to gain market share. We took about 20,000 tons of downtime in the quarter. Managing to hold our prices pretty well. Again, the region was able to achieve cost savings in a number of the categories. South Africa, a tough quarter. Obviously, it's predominantly linked to the lower dissolving wood pulp prices. When you see a decline of $272 a ton year-on-year on that kind of volumes, it does have a severe imprint. Unfortunately, at the same time, there was some short-term pressure on Containerboard sales.

There was a build-up of inventory towards the end of the last financial year, and there was a bit of a drought impact as well in parts of South Africa. It forced us to take some downtime in South Africa itself. The domestic economy also not helping matters, and in addition, obviously a little bit of impact on Containerboard, but also impacting the other paper categories. We had some headwinds as well for higher energy costs. Turning to the product segments on slide 13. Firstly, graphic paper. We have seen double-digit declines over the course of the last year. However, when we look forward and we look at longer-term trends, we continue to believe that that will normalize at about 5% declines going forward. We anticipate further big capacity reductions in the industry, which will also boost operating rates.

There's some big closures expected in the next 12 months from competitors. Selling prices, we've seen small declines, but they're holding up pretty well. Our team continue to look for opportunities to lower costs, and they've done a good job over the last year or so. Pulp being the major one. Obviously, pulp prices are low, and that is benefiting input costs. Our strategy, ongoing focus on costs, managing our operating rates through taking downtime when we need to, but obviously focusing on gaining market share as competitors close. On the capacity side, in Europe specifically, we've talked in the past about an evaluation that we've done on our assets in Europe, and that is close to completion, and we'll be making an announcement very soon. Pulp integration is key here and obviously that's why we acquired the Matane Mill, to lower our costs and reduce volatility.

Packaging on the next slide is page 14. We continue to believe that this is an exciting area of opportunities for us. I've mentioned it in the past, brand owners are pushing for paper-based solutions to replace plastic. Innovation is key in this segment. Specifically, our barrier technology is very exciting. We think we can grow further in that area. Selling prices have been pretty stable. Again, all the good work done on the costs is helping margins. We need to continue to ramp up following those conversions that we've made. We're making good progress. We now need to fill those machines with packaging. We'll expect the volumes to increase going forward. Innovation is key. As you would appreciate in something like this, sustainability is a key differentiator, which we believe puts us in a strong position. Page 15.

Obviously, I've mentioned it already, but we need to ramp up at Maastricht and Somerset. Things are on track there. South Africa, yes, I know there's a little bit of short-term pressure, but we continue to believe that there are containerboard expansion opportunities. We'll continue to monitor that as we move forward. Our focus is on niche sectors where we think we can have a strong competitive position, and obviously, linking back to our innovation and sustainability. We do invest in R&D in this area, and we believe is giving us a competitive advantage. Very excited by bio-coating, and we think in the short term we can boost volumes on that side by between 5,000 and 25,000 tons. Obviously, taking advantage of the plastics to paper trend. Slide 16 is the DWP markets. Yes, it's been challenging in the short term because of selling price pressure.

The underlying demand for viscose and dissolving pulp continues to be strong and continues to grow at 6% per annum. Unfortunately, there was a lot of additional viscose capacity that came on board. It's lowered viscose prices, put pressure on our customers, and ultimately led to lower dissolving pulp prices. At the same time, on the supply side, with paper pulp prices being low, we haven't had any relief from swing producers moving back. Hopefully paper pulp prices are starting to rise and that will create opportunities for swing producers to move across. In the very short term now we have the added uncertainty created by the coronavirus. It's fair to say that production across China has stopped, and it's impacting volumes and trade flows. It has been the Chinese New Year, that holiday period is coming to an end this week.

They did extend it by a week. It's uncertain what the impact will be, clearly adds another risk factor to volumes in the short term. Selling prices, there are unprecedented low levels. The majority of viscose producers and a significant proportion of dissolving pulp producers are cash negative. We continue to believe that that will help pricing as we go forward. We are growing our capacity at Saiccor. That project is going well, 55% complete and is expected to be finished towards the end of this calendar year. I think in October. Similarly in this segment, the sustainability message is key and we believe gives us a competitive advantage. We obviously have the wood certification, we believe it gives us a differentiator there.

Turning to the strategy, I'll jump then to slide 18, which talks about cost, I've mentioned it a few times, clearly we've done a lot of great work over the last few years with ongoing continuous improvement initiatives and cost initiatives. We will continue to do that. We identified $64 million of opportunities in the current year, and we're on track to achieve that. Pulp integration, I've talked about a few times, obviously that's why we acquired Matane and in time, obviously the smaller debottlenecking opportunities in Europe, which will boost our integration. The Saiccor expansion will lower the costs at the Saiccor mill. Page 19, talking about graphic paper. We have taken curtailment in recent quarters, and we need to continue to ramp up on our packaging grades.

At the same time, manage our exposure to this market downwards. Anticipating the market declines. The conversion we made at Lanaken will help us, because that gets out of LWC. Obviously the conversions that we've made will help us well reduce our exposure. I've already mentioned that we've been looking at our capacity in Europe and we'll be making announcements soon. Slide 20 has the balance sheet and the focus. Obviously, with the lower profitability, the leverage ratio has increased. We talked about at the end of last quarter, I don't think there's any surprises there. We did push our covenants for four and a half and we did anticipate the leverage ratio would increase. Again, to stress, there's no major CapEx commitments beyond the cycle expansion. I've talked about $300 million next year and strong focus on working capital.

Slide 21, accelerating growth in the higher margin growth segments. I'll concede obviously dissolving pulp margins in the short-term under pressure but we do think the long-term fundamentals are favorable and margins will recover. Packaging, I've mentioned a few times on the call, significant opportunities on barrier coating and down in South Africa on the Containerboard side. Slide 22 is the outlook. DWP prices remain under pressure. There's been a little bit of a tick up in January, but obviously pricing is still relatively low. The ramp-up of the conversions will continue and that will provide us with more improved product mix and price realization and improved machine efficiencies. We believe we've got a strong innovative position and particularly in barrier technology and that will help drive growth in the packaging segment. Graphic papers markets remain difficult.

However, we've demonstrated that we've been able to gain market share, and we think we'll continue to gain market share as closures occur. Given the current DWP pricing and obviously the short-term uncertainty around coronavirus, we're putting out an estimate EBITDA in Q2 to follow this first quarter trend. Operator, I've gone through the presentation. I'm going to put it back to you now for questions.

Operator

Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you'd like to ask a question, you're welcome to press star and then one on your touch tone phone or the keypad on your screen. At which time you'll hear a confirmation tone. Following this process will place you in the question queue. If you decide a question have been addressed and you wish to withdraw your question, you're welcome to press star then two on your touch tone phone to remove yourself from the question queue. And just a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, you're welcome to press star and then one. The first question comes from Brian Morgan of RMB Morgan Stanley.

Brian Morgan
Analyst, RMB Morgan Stanley

Hi, guys. Thanks very much. I'll start with an easy one if I may. On Saiccor's 110,000 ton debottlenecking this year, could you just give us an idea of how cycles volumes are going to evolve over the course of the year? Are we going to see a shutdown in the fourth quarter, perhaps, for the debottlenecking, or does it carry on seamlessly?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

There's no material impact on volumes, essentially it's seamlessly. Obviously from Q1 in the new financial year, you'll start to see the ramp-up of the additional 110,000. No material impact on volumes this year.

Brian Morgan
Analyst, RMB Morgan Stanley

Okay, cool. That's good. Thank you. The second one is just on DWP markets and supply side, and there's a lot of new capacity out there. You can't obviously comment on specifics, but I can. Arauco is adding a lot, RGE is adding a lot, Lenzing. They've all got projects out there in a market that looks very soggy. Could you just chat to us about how you're seeing things? What do you think they're seeing that we don't see? It looks like the market's going to be very well supplied for a very long time. Maybe just chat to us about that.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah. Look, clearly, Brian, we can't talk about individual competitors or customers that are adding capacity. Broadly speaking, amongst the ones you mentioned, they have some integration strategy and they're adding significant viscose capacity and it's to meet their own demand. Sappi typically has long-term contracts in place with committed volumes, and that will continue to be the case. Broadly speaking, in terms of market balance, yes, there is additional capacity coming on board. If you look out over the medium term, there's a significant amount of demand growth as well. We believe as you look out three to five years, the balance in the market looks reasonable, even with the additional capacity that we're adding. Again, maybe just one last comment. Some of the producers that you mentioned, they don't sell into the spot markets. It doesn't directly impact on pricing.

Brian Morgan
Analyst, RMB Morgan Stanley

Okay, cool. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from James Twyman of Prescient Securities.

James Twyman
Analyst, Prescient Securities

Yes, thank you very much. I've got a couple of questions. The first one is the Cloquet mill in the U.S. is clearly starting to make losses. My understanding is that that's probably piling up quite a bit. Any comments you can give on that would be helpful on the size of those losses. Surely as this situation gets worse and worse, there must come a point where you actually say to your customers, "We can't keep throwing dollar bills away to supply you." It seems like a situation that doesn't seem to be sustainable. Secondly, on CapEx, you were talking about CapEx of $350 million-$400 million. Now you're looking at $250 million-$350 million in 2021. That really means that you could hit $250 million in 2021 if things stay as they are, which they probably will. Those are my questions. Thanks.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Okay. I'll briefly answer the first one, and I'll hand it to Mike as well to elaborate a little bit further. Then I'll come back to the CapEx, your second question. With regards to Cloquet, obviously we've got swing capabilities and we have reduced our volumes a little bit on dissolving pulp, which has enabled us to make more pulp for the paper business and has lowered our costs and has helped margins on the paper side. We obviously don't give profitability by mill, but the mill is not making losses.

Mike Haws
President and CEO of Sappi North America, Sappi

Stephen, very little to add. We're leveraging the ability to swing, which is helping us manage costs and maximize results from Cloquet.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah. I think that's what you were getting at with your question. We do have certain long-term commitments on the dissolving wood pulp side, but in terms of where we have flexibility, we've taken advantage of that. The CapEx, look, we've given a range. Clearly, as dissolving wood pulp prices are as low as they are, we have to be very cautious with regards to our CapEx levels. We haven't completed our budgets yet for next year, and we're monitoring the situation. If things, and I know it's ifs and buts and all those things. Clearly, if prices were to remain very low and profitability continued to be under pressure, then it would be on the lower end of our guidance. However, if things improve and profitability starts to increase, that would give us more flexibility. We haven't committed any material CapEx. We continue to monitor the situation.

James Twyman
Analyst, Prescient Securities

That's good to hear. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Wade Napier of Avior Capital Markets.

Wade Napier
Analyst, Avior Capital Markets

Hi, guys. You mentioned wood certification being an advantage in your dissolving wood pulp business. Can you give us an idea of what the global certification levels are amongst your peers and whether you're able to extract a premium on pricing for that certification? Secondly, you sort of speak about a lot of the DWP capacity going into integrated viscose producers. It's well understood that Lenzing are bringing on dissolving wood pulp capacity. In three to five years' time, how are you sort of strategically thinking about placing the increased volumes in dissolving wood pulp that you're likely to bring online? Are you going to target another third large customer as per Birla, and Lenzing size? My final question is just could you map out Matane's external versus internal pulp sales over the next couple of years?

I just want to see how that aligns to your sort of growth outlook in specialty packaging markets.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Okay. I'm gonna take the first one initially, and Mohamed, I'm gonna pass a little bit more to you. Dissolving pulp increased capacity, I'll talk about, and then Matane, I'll say a little bit and Mike will elaborate further. On your first question, again, we can't comment specifically on competitors' certification, but we do know that it does provide us a strategic advantage. There are certain competitors, which I'm not gonna name who don't have that certification. In terms of a percentage, I don't know the exact percentages. Mohamed, I don't know if you know.

Mohamed Mansoor
EVP of Sappi Dissolving Wood Pulp, Sappi

Stephen, I think it depends really on the kind of certification, whether you're talking FSC or PEFC. All I would add is that the advantage that the Sappi dissolving wood pulp product has is, from a wood perspective, is around the location also. Not just only on the certification, but we don't sit and source our wood from areas that are considered sensitive, especially along the lines of ancient and endangered definitions that a lot of the NGOs are pushing. That's a big part of the advantage that we have when we talk certification.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Wade, you'll see our key customers have the highest ratings from someone like Canopy, and it puts them in a stronger strategic position. Obviously, we support that. The DWP capacity being added, yes, a lot of it is integrated. Bear in mind that a high proportion, including the additional tons that we're adding at Saiccor, will be committed on a long-term contractual basis. We don't anticipate any problems with demand going forward through this additional capacity. We continue to look to extend long-term contracts, and we don't think it carries significant risk. The Matane, obviously the number will change as we ramp up further on our packaging grades because we use it for packaging. In the short term, Mike, we're probably looking at about 100,000 tons used internally of Matane's capacity across Europe and North America.

Mike Haws
President and CEO of Sappi North America, Sappi

I think that's reasonable. Please remember that both Sappi North America and Sappi Europe were customers of Matane prior to the purchase.

Internally, the numbers might go up subtly over the next couple of years, but there will still be a significant portion that's sold to open market.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah.

Wade Napier
Analyst, Avior Capital Markets

Okay, great. Maybe just a follow-up on my second question. Sorry to harp on this. Lenzing on bringing on 500,000 tons of dissolving wood pulp capacity, Saiccor is increasing their production by 110,000 tons, and you're not expected to see any sort of implications to that over the next three to five years?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

It's very difficult to comment on specific customers. We believe that the capacity that they're adding is to meet their increased viscose and lyocell capacity. The additional capacity we are adding, we will sign up on a long-term contract, so it will be committed volumes. I can't name customers, Wade, you know that.

Wade Napier
Analyst, Avior Capital Markets

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Ross Kriel of JP Morgan.

Ross Kriel
Analyst, JPMorgan

Afternoon. Thanks, everyone. Just one question on each product segment. In graphic paper, would you be able to provide some expectations around downtime into Q2? In the DWP market, you guys have talked about higher cost production, well, in viscose and DWP. Are you seeing any signs of capacity closing? If not, do you have any understanding of why that would be the case? On specialties, volumes were down in Q1. It looks like you're expecting quite significant volume growth. If I look at slide 33, sorry, slide 31 in the appendix, does that suggest you're still expecting specialty volumes to grow at group level for the full year?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Okay. Thanks for the questions. Mohamed, I'll come back to you on the second one. On graphic downtime for Q2, in Europe, it's predominantly on the mechanical space, mechanical paper. In coated wood-free, it's relatively small and not that material. On mechanical, we're probably looking at about 30,000 tons. I know this is gonna lead to another question, we all know that there's a strike in Finland at the moment. Maybe, Barry, I'll come back to you and you can just give a little bit on that after I've finished my answer. In the U.S., we're relatively small. Our latest estimates are somewhere between about 10,000- 20,000 in terms of curtailment. The second question, viscose. Mohamed, did you want to elaborate a little bit further? We are seeing closures and curtailment happening in viscose in China and outside. You want to just elaborate further there?

Mohamed Mansoor
EVP of Sappi Dissolving Wood Pulp, Sappi

Yeah. There's public information around a closure in Canada. One dissolving wood pulp producer. There's lots of anecdotal information from the market about some challenges that a producer in Brazil has been having, where they've been running on and off. What we have seen more recently is a large number of Chinese dissolving wood pulp producers, and they're really sitting with the high cost structures, largely because of the wood. In China, if you look at the domestic Chinese dissolving wood pulp production, most of them are reliant on imported wood chips, and wood makes up about 70% of their total production cost. What we are starting to see, in the last couple of months, more significant amount of dissolving wood pulp coming out of their production. They're making less production. They're making other grades like unbleached kraft pulp and also some paper pulp.

We're starting to see more of that happening in the last couple of months. One of the reasons I think the response of, let's say, more downtime to the very low prices has been delayed is largely because of contracts related to wood chips. These are annual contracts and a lot of these contracts have now run their course. A lot of these producers are now starting up negotiations on wood chip contracts, so it's giving them the flexibility to start taking more downtime.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Thanks, Mohamed. Your last question, just to clarify, the reason for the decline is actually because we had softer demand in South Africa. We took curtailment in our South African business, and I think, Alex, it was about 20,000 tons in the quarter. Just to quote, in terms of the regions themselves, North America's volumes were up 43% and the European volumes were up 6%. We're making good progress there. It's not to do with the recent conversions that we've made. This is a ring-fence into South Africa because of the short-term challenges that we face here.

Ross Kriel
Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Barry, do you want to just briefly talk about the Finnish situation?

Barry Geller
Company Representative, Sappi

Yeah. Very briefly, the Finnish mill, Kemi, has been down since Monday of last week. There is as yet no resolution to the strike, though there is progress being made. We were due to take some downtime last week anyway, so the downtime as a result of the strike will more than compensate for the.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Sorry, Barry, just to make it clear to everyone listening, it's an industry strike.

Barry Geller
Company Representative, Sappi

It's an industry strike.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

It's not our strike.

Barry Geller
Company Representative, Sappi

To make that quite clear, yes. This is a collective agreement. It's an industry strike about the increased working hours that have been planned by the previous government's Competitiveness Pact. The two sides are still trying to resolve the differences, and Kemi just happens to be part of that strike.

Ross Kriel
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. Thanks, guys. Sorry, Stephen, can I just clarify? I understand the South African issue is on specialties. Is it fair to say you'd expect growth then for the year, assuming things don't get materially worse in the South African Containerboard business within specialties?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah. The U.S. and Europe, we expect to continue the trends and continue to grow profitability. In South Africa, and Alex will elaborate further, we think there was short-term dynamics at play there, particularly with regards to inventory builds. Alex.

Alex Thiel
CEO of Sappi Southern Africa, Sappi

Steve, there was significant stock build in the last quarter of the previous financial year, we've seen the impact in quarter one. Our view is we'll sell as many tons in this fiscal year as we did last year. We'll catch it up in the next three quarters.

Ross Kriel
Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay, perfect. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, just a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, you're welcome to press star and then one. The next question comes from Sean Ungerer of Chronux Research.

Sean Ungerer
Analyst, Chronux Research

Good afternoon, Stephen. Can you hear me?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yes.

Sean Ungerer
Analyst, Chronux Research

Okay, awesome. Great. Just in terms of the outlook for DWP prices to remain low, how does that sort of tie into your thinking on the ramp-up for Saiccor as well as swing capacity at Klipkleur? Obviously weighing that up with client commitments. Secondly, just in terms of your aspiration, maybe desperation to get back to 2x net debt to EBITDA. The covenants have been adjusted for the next two years. Sort of maybe explain that a little bit of that unwind, weighing up, I guess, CapEx reductions with growth aspirations. Lastly, if you could just expand on the timing and maybe the quantum of investment related to potential containerboard in S.A.. Thanks.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Okay. Thanks. Based on all the fundamentals that are out there, we do believe dissolving pulp prices will recover in the medium term. The coronavirus has added a little bit of uncertainty in the short term. As we think about the outlook and pricing on dissolving pulp, we talk to many external parties and we listen to their opinions. We believe that in the second half of 2020, we are going to see recovery. Various estimates out there between $50 a ton type numbers. Clearly that hasn't materialized yet. We need to get through this short-term pressure. The specific question on swing capacity. There's an opportunity at Cloquet because we can make paper pulp for our paper business. We'll maximize that opportunity.

At Saiccor, you'll appreciate that you make commitments to third-party vendors and there's contracts in place, and you can't pull back on that because it would come at significant cost. That project is ongoing. By the time the product comes live or the machine comes live, we would expect the dissolving pulp prices to be off their bottom. As I say, we look to commit those volumes on a long-term basis. Profitability will improve as a result. It also lowers our cost at the mill, at Saiccor. In terms of your question as it rolls into then CapEx and our leverage and our net debt as we move forward. Clearly, as I said earlier, there are no long-term other material commitments. After we finish paying for the Saiccor expansion, the CapEx will come down quite dramatically, and that means that your leverage ratio does come down considerably.

That's why we were comfortable to negotiate a two-year increase in the leverage ratio because we believe that sees us through the higher CapEx levels. Then thereafter, if you do the math, thereafter, our leverage ratio comes down considerably. Just to reiterate the point I made earlier, the CapEx, we'll monitor the situation. If dissolving pulp prices don't come off the bottom, then we'll be more conservative. If, however, things improve the way we think they will, then that will open up opportunities after we complete the Saiccor project to do other initiatives. As things stand, we are being very cautious. We're not committing large volumes, and we're monitoring the situation. Alex, do you want to just talk about the Containerboard?

Alex Thiel
CEO of Sappi Southern Africa, Sappi

Our view is that the Containerboard market for agricultural exports is growing at about 5% a year, and we obviously want to maintain our market share there. The first investment will probably be a fairly small one, roughly 15% of our current capacity. And hopefully, we can build on that as CapEx becomes available.

Sean Ungerer
Analyst, Chronux Research

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Dupel of UBS.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

Thank you. Hi, everybody. A couple of questions from my side. I would start with some questions on the dissolving wood pulp pricing. First of all, you mentioned in your press release that you are seeing some slight improvement in the pricing right now. If you could just elaborate a bit on that, where are we now level-wise in January, February, and what's the latest indication there? Also, looking at the second half of the year, you mentioned market estimates pointing to recovery. I was just wondering what will be the key drivers behind that assumptions.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah. On the first one, it's been a marginal improvement. It's only been a couple of dollars a ton. You do look for the positives in this, the price has not dropped since, I'm trying to remember now. It's probably October the last time the prices dropped, because I think in November they were already at the current levels. It certainly has flattened off over the last three months and, as I say, a marginal increase, albeit small, but it is a move in the right direction. Why are we confident about the recovery? As I said earlier, it's not that we think it's going to happen instantaneously, but we believe that with paper pulp prices already starting to rise, that will create opportunities for swing producers.

We believe that with so much of viscose capacity cash negative and similarly dissolving pulp, about a 1/3 of dissolving pulp capacity is cash negative. All those fundamentals combined cause us to believe that there will be a recovery. We can't say it's going to happen next month, but we do believe as the year unfolds, that everything points towards an improvement in pricing. Mohamed touched on it earlier. There's a number of producers already reducing capacity and taking curtailment both on viscose and in dissolving pulp, and all of that will serve to boost pricing. Yeah.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Just to follow up on that in terms of viscose paper fiber pricing, we saw another leg down there in December. Have you seen any more movements downwards on that side as well in January or February, or has it stabilized?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

No, we haven't seen any further declines. Obviously now, the coronavirus means that, again, it creates uncertainty. Interestingly, it could be both positive and negative for pricing, because suddenly now you're not getting viscose producers out of China. A significant proportion of volumes come out of Indonesia. This could actually help short-term pricing and could be that trigger. Again, it's uncertain, so we have to see how things play out. It hasn't got worse. Things have been level in recent weeks.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Just a final question, switching to the U.S. coated paper market. It seems as if pricing held up surprisingly well there in 2019, and now we are seeing some slippage at the end of last year going into this year. How do you see that market evolving right now? Is it getting out of balance or are there enough closures? How would you characterize that market now?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah. Obviously, you saw from our numbers that the market was under significant pressure. You saw volume declines last year of 16%. That has put us under pressure. We believe that further capacity will come from our competitors. Within Sappi itself, obviously, we're ramping up on Somerset PM1, which means we will be taking capacity out of the market. Pricing, when a market is in decline like that, you do see some negative impact on pricing. Our goal in the short term, obviously, is to ensure that we keep our machines full and we don't take the impact of significant curtailments. That's our tactics in the short term. It's very difficult to be specific on individual competitors and capacity reductions, we continue to believe that substantial capacity will come out both in Europe and in the U.S., actually.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

Okay. That is very clear. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Alexander Bohland of Bank of America.

Alexander Bohland
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you very much. Most of my questions have been answered. I just have a follow-up on Finland and the Finnish strikes. If the strike goes on for the full four weeks, do you think that that could tighten the graphic paper market in Europe in any material way? Also, do you see this as an opportunity to continue to gain market share in graphic paper via your mills that are not in Finland?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

It's a good question. Obviously, things are uncertain, and they may play out differently, but I would say we have less exposure to Finland than our competitors. You can interpret that.

Alexander Bohland
Analyst, Bank of America

That's very clear. Thank you.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

It could be an opportunity.

Alexander Bohland
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay, great. Thanks.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah.

Operator

Alexander, does that complete your questions?

Alexander Bohland
Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, it does, thanks. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, just a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, you're welcome to press star and then one. The next question comes from Sachin Gupta of Goldman Sachs. Hello, Sachin, your line is open. You can ask your question.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Operator, let's move on. Operator?

Operator

Hello. Sorry. The next question comes from Senan Kiran of Muzinich.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Good afternoon. Just on the previous question on the leverage covenant adjustments, are you providing the new levels?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yes, we've included it in the results announcement, and we'll continue to do that. Obviously, you've got the net debt number on the balance sheet, but that includes this new IFRS adjustment for operating leases. We back that out, and we do provide what the leverage levels are in terms of the covenants themselves, and it was 2.8x at the end of the quarter.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

What they are compared to, what are they tested against? You have that as well?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

The covenant level is 4.5%.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

4.5%, okay. That's flat for the next two years?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yes, that's correct. For the quarter one, it was 3.75%. The quarter that we're in at the moment, quarter two, our quarter two, it's up to 4.5%, and it's at that level for the next two years.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

On the coronavirus issue, you have about 20% of your revenues that goes to Asia and the other. How much of that is actually China on average?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

We don't have that specific number here. Clearly, it is a material number. Predominantly affects our dissolving pulp. We have volumes going into China. In our release business, we have impact. On the paper side, the graphic and packaging, a little bit of volume is also going in. We are exposed. As I said earlier, it's very difficult to gauge what its impact will be because everything has been closed. Next week, the holiday season is over, and we'll be able to assess the full impact. Again, with things like this, there are certain markets that may tighten up, and it may help pricing. Equally, the short-term volumes could be impacted because of a lack of flows of product.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Generally, a lot of news are coming from China. How much of that is accurate, how much isn't, we are not too sure on our end either, but the impact potentially could be both on the demand and also production shuts, I guess, or risk would you say?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Look, you've got to appreciate, we're still assessing the situation. As things currently stand, everyone's stopped production. There's not a lot happening.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Okay.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

We'll get a better assessment next week.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Okay. In terms of your contracts with the two major customers for DWP, when are those are up for renewal?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

They're on a long-term basis. I don't want to give you individuals, but they're between three and five years.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

From now?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yep.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Okay. Maybe I did not hear you well. Did you say that for coated wood-free, you are looking at your capacity in Europe and potentially can make announcements? Maybe I misheard you.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yes, that's correct. We'll make an announcement soon.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Okay.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

What the capacity?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah. What's the outcome of our assessment? Yes.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Okay. Lastly, on your guidance for Q2, I can't remember the exact wording right now, and I'm pretty sure it was purposefully made that way. What do you mean by trends? Trends in terms of margins or the year-over-year declines? You said it was in line with Q1.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Yeah. We were looking towards the year-on-year decline.

Senan Kiran
Analyst, Muzinich

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The final question is a follow-up from Michael Dupel of UBS.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

Yes, thank you. Just a brief follow-up on the DWP and VSF market. Could you tell us where the operating rates are right now in the respective markets and, where they are projected to be, at the year-end?

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

The viscose operating rates are low, Mohammed, in the low 70%s.

Mohamed Mansoor
EVP of Sappi Dissolving Wood Pulp, Sappi

In China, yes. Coming out of Chinese New Year, it's been around the 75%-76%. As you go through the year, because you're going to get into a seasonally strong time, do expect that rate, if history is anything to go by, to lift a little bit. Plus you've got underlying demand growth, which should also help lift the overall operating rate as you go through the year.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

That's viscose. Dissolving pulp is in the high 80%s. 85%.

Mohamed Mansoor
EVP of Sappi Dissolving Wood Pulp, Sappi

Yes. Dissolving pulp is in the high 80%s, 85%. I would say, in fact, more recently in China, the domestic guys have taken out a large amount of production, even lower in terms of dissolving wood pulp.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Again, moving towards the end of the year, same trend there, I guess, as in VSF, growing?

Mohamed Mansoor
EVP of Sappi Dissolving Wood Pulp, Sappi

Sorry, I didn't hear you.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

I think in the very short term, we wouldn't expect those operating rates to change that significantly. The kind of volumes is relatively stable throughout the year. It's less seasonal than some of the other businesses.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

Okay. Got you. Thank you.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

We're still seeing volume demand increases. We're still seeing 6%, 7%, 8% type increases. The demand side overall is still pretty good. Obviously, to my point I made earlier, the big pressure point has been the excess viscose that's come on board capacity.

Michael Dupel
Analyst, UBS

All right. That's clear. Thank you very much.

Operator

Gentlemen, we have no further questions on the lines.

Stephen Binnie
CEO, Sappi

Great. Thank you everybody for joining us, and we look forward to discussing our results at the end of Q2. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Sappi, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.