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Earnings Call: H1 2022

Apr 26, 2022

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Should we get started? Noisy. Look, thank you all very much for turning up in person for coming here to this review of the interim results for the 24 weeks ending the 5th of March 2022, and welcome to all of you listening online as well. If I may start with first half business highlights, it's really satisfying that sales and operating profits for the first half have returned to pre-COVID years. After two years of real struggle, we're back. In food, yes, we're affected by inflation, but the operational performance, the project management is all really resilient. Cost reduction exercises and projects go on across the group.

Extensive pricing actions taken, but inevitably there's a lag in financial recovery. Input cost inflation is very high. Logistics supply chains are still challenged, and in some parts of the world there are still COVID-related labor absences in our business, in Australasia in particular. Sugar has had a good first half. We're not everywhere victims of inflation in sugar. High commodity prices have benefited us. Moving across to Primark, there's been strong recovery in sales and margins in the first half. We'll show you that. U.K. and Ireland is ahead of Continental Europe. Particularly we're seeing more holiday travel expenditure, more socializing expenditure. Same store sales compared with actually now three years ago are encouraging.

Continental Europe, as I say, consumer footfall remains weak. We'll come back to that later. U.S. continues to trade well. And then it's well worth congratulating the teams involved on the successful implementation of the immense Oracle project. It's now operating in every store and every depot. We are rapidly transforming the digital capability of Primark, both the infrastructure of it, which Oracle represents, but also the consumer-facing part of digital. The new website is launched. It's been very well received. We're only two weeks in, but it gives us capability of linking physical stores to online consumer research, and doing so really well. Let me then go down to the first half financial highlights, which are these. Group revenue, adjusted profits, adjusted profit for tax, all well ahead.

Adjusted earnings per share driving then an interim dividend that's up 13.8%. Gross investment GBP 450 million, and we end the first half with net cash on the balance sheet of GBP 1.5 billion and net debt after lease liabilities of GBP 1.7 billion. Moving on to some of the cost inflation issues. Substantial cost inflation in raw materials, commodities in particular, packaging, supply chain costs, energy. We have no businesses in Ukraine. As you would expect, we've stopped sales into Russia. But the consequences of the Russian invasion on the commodity sector have been felt to some extent and will continue to be felt into the future.

Pricing to mitigate higher costs has been a major activity of our sales forces throughout the first half of the year. Job has been done well, but we're chasing accelerating inflation. I think in many areas we will have to move prices up again. Both Sugar and, which I've mentioned, and ABFI have done well in the inflationary environment. ABFI specialty ingredients have been able to move prices up, often for the first time in years. They've had a good first half. The value of co-products coming out of the sugar businesses, particularly energy-related co-products, ethanol, electricity, in particular, are starkly seen in the first half performance in sugar. It's a really nice hedge against higher gas prices.

Primark, we're saying today will implement selective price increases across some of the autumn winter stock. We'll begin to see higher prices on some items from sort of mid-July, early August onwards. We will, of course, ensure that we maintain price leadership, really whatever it takes. The full effect of the pricing actions that we've taken will be delayed, I think, into next financial year. The margin this year, as John will spend more time explaining to you, will be squeezed both in Primark and also in food. With that, let me move on to pass over to John.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Thanks, George. Okay, this half year, sales and adjusted operating profit for the group returned to the pre-COVID levels reached in the half year to the 29th of February 2020. Group revenue was at GBP 7.9 billion, an increase of 28% on last year at constant currency. This was led by the strong recovery in sales in Primark, where trading was much improved following the relaxation of most government restrictions on store operations. Primark also drove the increase in adjusted operating profit, which at GBP 706 million, was 92% higher than last year. Our businesses are experiencing logistics challenges, COVID-related labor absences, and significant inflationary pressures. At the end of the period, this is the end of our half year, these inflationary pressures increased further following the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Our adjusted profit measure reflects the underlying performance of the businesses and excludes exceptional items as well as the other items that are set out on this slide. Exchange rate movements had a minimal effect on adjusted operating profit in the first half, with a loss on translation of GBP 2 million. If exchange rates remain at current levels, we expect a translation gain of some GBP 10 million for the full year. This period's unadjusted or statutory operating profit of GBP 666 million increased by 114%. Sorry, I said 666. GBP 686 million increased by 114%. Last year included an exceptional charge of GBP 25 million. There were no disposals in the period.

However, an asset which was classified as held for sale in the balance sheet of our last financial year is no longer likely to be sold. The 11 million non-cash impairment disclosed as a loss on closure of business this year is a consequence of this. Lease interest was broadly in line between the two periods. The decline in net interest to GBP 44 million was largely driven by the repayment of some of the private placement notes. The improvement in other financial income to GBP 4 million was largely driven by the big increase in the surplus in the U.K. defined benefit pension scheme between the two half-year ends. Statutory profit before tax increased to GBP 635 million, and profit before tax increased to GBP 666 million. Let's move on to tax.

As expected, the effective tax rate declined from the elevated level last year to closer to pre-COVID levels this half year. The effective rate of 23.2% was driven by the stronger profitability of Primark and the consequent change in the weighting of group profit by tax jurisdiction. With the expected recovery in Primark's profitability for the full year, we anticipate the effective tax rate for the full year to be close to that reported here for the half year. Looking ahead, I expect the group's tax rate to increase marginally from this level, and that's really reflecting the forthcoming increase in the U.K. corporation tax rate and the likely increase in the Irish corporation tax rate. Coming on to earnings and dividend.

As a result of the doubling of the adjusted profit before tax and the much lower effective tax rate, adjusted earnings per share increased 154% to GBP 0.638 . On an unadjusted basis, earnings per share increased to GBP 0.603. The board has declared an interim dividend of GBP 0.138 per share at a total cost of GBP 109 million. That compares to the interim dividend declared last year of GBP 0.62, and that represents a return to our normal dividend practice. Moving now on to the balance sheet. Net assets increased to GBP 10.4 billion, and that compared to GBP 9.6 billion last year.

The 186 million increase in intangible assets is largely driven by the goodwill and intangibles arising from the acquisitions made since the last financial half year. The largest being Fytexia Group by ABF Ingredients. These intangible assets also include smaller amounts, but relating to the European Union Emissions Trading System certificates that are held by the group. Not surprisingly, the cost of which has increased significantly over the last year. The decrease in right-of-use assets reflects the translation loss relating to our euro-denominated leases, as well as the depreciation charge being ahead of new leases added for the period. The decrease in working capital of GBP 480 million between the two balance sheet dates, I think is striking. It's been driven by the reduction in stock levels at Primark.

You'll remember that most of our stores have been closed for a period of 10 weeks leading up to the last half year end. Of course, then the conversion of these higher stock levels into cash is then very evident when you look at the increase in net cash for the group, and that was from GBP 705 million to GBP 1,476 million at this half year. The other main contributor to that increase, of course, is the higher profit that was made in the period. The reduction in lease liabilities, like right-of-use assets, reflected both the translation of euro-denominated leases and a year's reduction in existing lease liabilities. Other net financial assets were comprise derivative positions arising from our usual hedging activities and the increase year-on-year reflects the volatility in our currency and energy positions, in particular.

The deferred tax liability increased GBP 182 million, and that's primarily due to the increase in the U.K. net pension asset since the last half year, and then also the enactment of the increase in the U.K. corporation tax rate from 19% - 25%, which of course will become applicable on the first of April 2023. The significant increase in the net pension asset was mainly driven by the increase in the surplus of the main U.K. defined benefit pension scheme. That reflected the increases that were seen in bond yields, and then which in turn decreased the scheme's liabilities. We issued our inaugural public bond this half year. This bond was for GBP 400 million. It's due 2034 with a coupon of 2.5%.

That was to diversify our sources of funding and extend the duration of our committed borrowings. Since September 2021, we've now repaid GBP 221 million of the GBP 297 million of private placement notes remaining at the last financial year-end. These notes carried an average interest rate of 4.1%, and so the lower financing cost of the bond is very evident. The group's net cash before lease liabilities was GBP 1.5 billion, including lease liabilities, net debt was GBP 1.7 billion. I've included our definition of financial leverage for your convenience in appendix 2 to this presentation, and it was 0.8 times at the half year end. I expect a positive free cash flow from the group in the second half of this year.

In line with the pre-COVID full year cash flow seasonality, which reflects the building of sugar inventories in the first half and then the sale of those in the second half. As a result, I would expect financial leverage to be lower at the year end. The payment of normal dividends has been resumed. As a reminder, the special dividend relating to the last financial year was paid this January. The board recognizes the uncertainty of the current economic environment and will continue to evaluate the availability of surplus cash and capital. Let's now move on to cash flow. Free cash flow improved significantly this half year with an outflow of GBP 48 million, which compared to an outflow of GBP 832 million last half year end.

This was driven primarily by a smaller working capital this half year and of course, the higher operating profit. Pre-COVID, we would normally see a working capital outflow in the first half, and that's driven by the build of sugar inventories in the Northern Hemisphere, and this half year was no exception. The much larger outflow last half year of course, was the result of the inventory build at Primark, to which I've just referred. Primark capital expenditure in the half year of GBP 99 million was low, and that mainly reflected a much reduced spend on new stores. George will outline our work on rebuilding the pipeline of new stores post-COVID, and I would expect capital expenditure to absolutely build from here.

Capital expenditure for our food businesses increased by GBP 46 million with spend on the recommissioning of the Vivergo bioethanol plant and the initial spend on our new sugar factory in Tanzania. We paid dividends of GBP 271 million in the half year, and that comprised the final dividend for the 2021 financial year and the special dividend of GBP 0.138 , which was declared at the end of last year. Our spend on acquisitions was GBP 114 million in the half year, and the major part of that was Fytexia Group. Turning now to the performance analysis by business segment. The increase in group revenues is clearly driven by Primark. Sugar, agriculture, and ingredients also delivered sales well above last year.

The food sales performance was delivered in the face of a number of challenges, and that again is supply chain disruption, COVID-related absences, and a return in some cases to more normal levels of retail volumes from the COVID elevated levels of the last two years. Revenue in the first half for grocery was 1% below last year. Now, that was not only affected by these challenges, but also a decline in Allied Bakeries volumes after exiting the Co-op contract in April last year. Operating profit margin declined in our food businesses this half year. It's the scale of inflation that has made this half year particularly difficult. Cost reductions have been taken wherever possible, and pricing has already been taken in this half year. More pricing is planned for the second half.

However, there is a mismatch in the timing of the impact of input cost increases and the financial benefits of our pricing. As George said just a few minutes ago, our focus is on recovering the operating profit margin of our businesses and the run rate effect of this will be now seen in our next financial year. AB Sugar traded strongly in the first half, with both sales and profit well ahead. Volume recoveries and price increases were the drivers of revenue growth in Ingredients. Although ABF Ingredients was well ahead in both sales and profit, margins were lower in AB Mauri as a result of lower volumes of high margin retail yeast and retail bakery ingredients.

Turning to Primark, sales and profit were not only significantly ahead of last year, but I'm pleased that our business model delivered a profit margin of 11.7% in the half year, and that's after the disruption of two years of COVID. I'll briefly cover the segmental analysis by geography. The improvement in sales and profit in both the U.K. and Europe were driven by the recovery in Primark in both regions. Profits in the Americas and Asia Pacific were mainly impacted by the performance of AB Mauri, where volumes of retail yeast and retail bakery ingredients declined from elevated COVID-19 levels, and the benefit of pricing was delayed by some longer term contract terms. George will now take you through the performance of each of our businesses in more detail. George?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Thank you very much, John. If I can start with our food businesses and sugar, where we have traded strongly on the back of higher sugar prices and good co-product prices. We had a good harvest, a good sugar production in the U.K. in the first half. The commercial performance in Illovo gets better and better as well. The Vivergo bioethanol plant, the cost of recommissioning that have been very largely taken in the first half of this year as well. We expect to see from here on significantly higher raw material prices, particularly sugar beets, higher energy costs, but significantly higher also selling prices for sugar.

Let me show you why I think the selling prices are going to continue moving up. The world sugar price on the left-hand side has nearly doubled in the last two years. The European sugar price has come off its lows of January 2019, and is up close to EUR 450 per ton. Spot rates actually are much higher than that at the moment, but they are just a moment in time. Why have European sugar prices been going up? Well, it's not just because the world price has been going up. It's also because the European sugar market has been tightening. Europe now year after year consumes more sugar than we produce.

We had a big surplus in 2017 in anticipation of deregulation of the sugar market. Those surpluses are thoroughly gone, and we estimate that in the 2022 crop, which is now in the ground, the acreage across Europe given over to sugar will decline once more. Prices are underpinned by a tighter market than we've seen for some while. Sugar operations, we produced 1.03 million tons of sugar in the U.K., up from the very disappointing 900,000 tons the year before. We had good growing conditions, which produced higher yields. We had much less disease in the crop this year than we had in the prior campaign.

This season's sowing is now complete. Excellent growing conditions in place now. We'd like some rain, but so far so good. In Spain, in the six months we're talking about, production was significantly higher than the previous year. We produced a lot more sugar by refining cane in the south of Spain than before. China, the crop was disappointingly lower as a consequence of subsidies given to potatoes in our growing area. Moving on to Illovo. Higher sugar prices, good co-product prices, particularly for furfural, which comes out of our factory in South Africa. Good progress developing these domestic brands, particularly Tanzania, Zambia and Malawi.

The construction of a major new factory in Tanzania is now well underway. Despite disruption that we've already had in this year's crop, we expect full year production of sugar and Illovo to be in line with last year. Let me just turn to that disruption. The flooding in Malawi after Cyclone Ana hit us very squarely. We were sort of ground zero for Cyclone Ana. A number of people in the area lost their lives to the flooding. No one who worked for us or who lives around us died as a consequence of the flooding.

However, we did an extremely good job working with local communities and local government to provide shelter. Really important to supply potable water to those without it. We worked with the government to restore electricity power very quickly to the area, and then we've also been working to repair local roads in the area as well. Where you have capability to help out, you surely must do so. We'll talk more about co-products coming out of sugar in the ESG session in May, but I just wanted to flag to you all that our sugar businesses now are about a lot more than simply sugar production. Everything from pharmaceutical grade cannabis to bioethanol, and various animal feed specialty products coming out of our businesses.

As I say, more later, it's a really good hedge against the commodity side of the sugar business, commodity pricing in the sugar business. Let me then go on to groceries, where, despite revenue actually being down, despite inflation in prices, we saw decent sales growth, good sales growth in Twinings Ovaltine, Tip Top in Australia, Westmill, Stratas and ACH. A good part of the portfolio did see decent sales performance. Some product volumes, particularly home baking products, normalized or returned to normal after COVID booms. John mentioned the, this was the anniversary of the exit from the Co-op bread contract.

COVID-related operational challenges still exist, particularly in Australasia, which we have been very short of staff in bakeries in the meat factory and elsewhere as well. Then really across the world supply chains have been really difficult. We've spent the best part of 30 years getting just-in-time supply chains carefully tuned, and we're learning all the old tricks of life in the 1970s with unreliable supply of raw materials and actually outbound logistics as well. It's getting a bit better, but it's still a reality. Focusing on Twinings Ovaltine, where profits once more were ahead and once more the marketing investment went up.

The new ranges, new wellbeing ranges, in Twinings are performing extremely well all around the world. We're delighted with them. In Ovaltine, we're delighted with the sales recovery, particularly in ready-to-drink products, in Thailand. Thailand's our biggest market for Ovaltine. Sales growth in Germany, which is significant 'cause it's a much bigger market than the original Swiss market. The Swiss market business also goes from strength to strength. Ovaltine is the second most recognized brand in the Swiss market of all consumer products and brands. This is just the last frame from an ad that we decided we wouldn't show you. It speaks to the Ovaltine growth in the Swiss and German markets.

You may remember me talking about changing routes to market in Germany. All that's done, and it's now working well. It's also, well, it's my job to plug the Ovomaltine Crunchy Cream, yet again, on the bottom line, made without palm oil, of course. The capacity that we installed in the Swiss factory some years ago is now all utilized, and we are putting capacity into China to support product growth, sales growth in that part of the world. Crunchy Cream doing very well, the whole Swiss Ovaltine business doing really, really well. In a non-growth market, it's a tremendous achievement. Okay. Staying within grocery, at Chesham, another good period of brand building around Mazzetti. Supply chain disruptions in that business, quite hard to get containers in Italy at the moment.

World Foods, good brand development, also internationally with Patak's Blue Dragon and good development of Al'Fez, its new North African food brand. Good development of sales in the U.K. Westmill Foods had a good period with the recovery of the Indian and Chinese restaurant sectors, in particular, and then takeaway as well. Jordans Ryvita, some good work on packaging, good brand work. We've been working on the supply chain now for several years. It's really good to see the return to brand building, which really should sit at the heart of Jordans Dorset Ryvita. Bakeries, i t's hard to imagine a product that is more directly impacted, more widely impacted, by inflation than bread.

We take wheat, we mill it, we then add natural gas to it in the baking process, and then we put it on a truck and distribute it. Revenue and volumes are well down as a consequence of us leaving the Co-op contract. The input cost inflation, as I say, is really huge. We've taken significant price actions to recover that. The shelf price of Kingsmill has gone from about GBP 0.85 a loaf to GBP 1.10. I think we're gonna have to move prices again as a consequence of the invasion of the Ukraine. Bread is always a tough world, and this half year it's been particularly difficult. Not so life in Stratas, where profits are well ahead.

Stratas, just to remind you, is a joint venture, edible oils business we have in the States. There has been really good work done, managing rising commodity costs, in that business. Really good material, raw material procurement, really good pricing action. Then ACH also, we've done a very good job recovering corn oil price inflation. The margins are back where they should be already, and we'll see the benefit of that in the second half. Retail yeast volumes quintupled during lockdown. It's a high margin product. They're back to just about normal. Okay. George Weston Foods, which is, a business in fine fettle. Tip Top traded well throughout. It's done a very good job through the lockdown challenges. The innovation in gluten-free is significant for us.

It's a really nice niche sector that's growing at about 10% a year in sales. We are by some way now a market leader in that sector. Don had a miserable time with COVID. It's recovering. When I was there a few weeks ago, it was 200 people short. The volumes were constrained because of that reality. Brand development, new product launches in Yumi's, both in dips and also in meat-free, are really encouraging. Dad's Pies is a smallish but really nice synergistic acquisition we've made in New Zealand. At some point, they're bound to let me in to go and see it, but maybe not just yet. Okay.

Moving across to ingredients, which really is a tale of the two different parts of the ingredients portfolio. AB Mauri sales are well ahead as pricing actions begin to come through. In the first half, the delay in price recovery has pulled the margin back somewhat, as with the decline in retail yeast sales in countries as diverse as China, Brazil, and then actually also in the United States and in parts of Europe. The specialty plant that we're building in Hull is nearing completion. It's an important part of our capability to play more in the non-bakery specialist yeast ingredient space. We are a major supplier of specialty yeast, for example, into the spirits industry in this country and overseas. That was AB Mauri.

Here's ABF Ingredients, where revenues are significantly ahead on the back of volume increases and price increases. The enzyme business goes from strength to strength. It really does. It's lovely to see volumes coming back in the protein crisp business in California. A lot of the product goes into cereal bars, which people stopped eating when they could no longer go outside, but that's all come back. Good progress in the first half, and actually for a couple of years now, in supplying the meat alternative sector with both flavors out of Ohly, our yeast extract business, but also textures, again, out of Ohly, but also increasingly, we think, out of PGPI.

Our confidence in the sector, our confidence in our leadership in this part of ABF, is what really sits behind our decision to acquire the Fytexia Group. Let me just spend a couple of minutes talking about that. It's a fast-growing life science company based in France and Italy. It supplies the dietary supplements segment with polyphenol-based active ingredients, which have the particular benefit of being backed by good clinical studies. Fytexia is one of the leaders in the running of clinical studies in the polyphenol sector. It's high growth. It's high margin. It also gives us a good route to market for products which have relevance to health and nutrition sectors which we produce in other parts of the specialty ingredients business.

It's a good acquisition in its own right, and it's a good acquisition for what it does for the rest of ABFI. Just touching on agriculture quickly, because Primark is coming up, and I'm sure you don't wanna wait any longer than you have to. Higher prices reflecting commodity inflation. U.K. feed market has been strong. The European piglet market has been very weak. That's cost us a bit. Crop inputs have started well. The sales of them are particularly sort of spring made in the spring. That's going well at the moment. The new feed mill in China was successfully commissioned and then has really struggled with COVID-related disruption to inbound and outbound logistics. But it is there, and it's in place. Right. Primark.

I suppose a year on, it's almost we almost forget just how awful it was to be sitting in a company with cash bleeding out at a horrendous rate. That was this time last year or the first half last year as it was the second half the year before. The strong recovery in sales and profits in this half, despite a little bit of disruption, has been enormously heartening. We've seen particular improvement in the U.K. and Ireland. As I said before, weaker footfall in Continental Europe, but I'm sure it'll come back. The supply chain challenges, which were much reported in the autumn. They haven't completely gone away, but they are disrupting us a lot less.

Stock cover of spring, summer ranges is much better than autumn, winter stock cover was in the lead up to Christmas. We, of course, have to keep our eye on what is going on in China with COVID. At the moment, we are not seeing any product either not being made or not being shipped. As I say, we need to be aware of it. The inflation in the first half was broadly mitigated by good cost reduction rates work and a favorable U.S. dollar. The margin of 11.7% is broadly in line with where we would have been before COVID. The Oracle implementation has taken the best part of five years, John. We're, as I say, it's in everywhere.

It's part of the underpinning of that digital transformation, the most visible part of which is the new website, which is launched and being well-received. We've seen the first half, very COVID affected in the States, but still with positive like-for-like growth, and that gives us lots of confidence in our prospects in the United States. Right. As I did last time, I wanted to break down the drivers of future growth into three. The return to normal trading, post disruption, post COVID, the development of the customer proposition, and the acceleration of selling space in the major growth markets.

If I start with the return to normal trading, shopping behavior is changing, tourism home and holidays are increasingly back, and the supply chain is easier. Let me start with shopping behavior. Pink is when we were shut, and pink is a year ago in the period and then both ends. You can see we lost some stores in the Netherlands and Austria, in back end of December into January. But by and large, we've had just about everything open through the period. We still have restrictions. Again, pink is where there's a restriction. Masks actually in the shops now are limited to Italy, but Spain and Portugal only fell away last week. Masks on public transport are still very much in evidence, in actually most of our markets.

Specific social distancing rules, how many people you can have in stores and such like, are still in place in important markets where we trade. As they fall away, our sales will improve in those markets. The two-year like-for-like sales then are these - 10% for the group, which is a significant improvement on the final quarter of 2021, but split between the U.K. and - 8% and Continental Europe at - 14%. More recently, that gap to now three years ago in the U.K. is much smaller than - 8%, but Continental Europe is still down there in the minus teens. The U.S. with + 1%, I think is a good performance. Next, then. This is significant.

These are the dozen or so destination stores, which make up about 10% of our total sales across the group. You can see this is gap to like-for-likes in the appropriate market. The last two weeks have seen. We haven't seen a -6% in 2.5 y ears. That is good. Oxford Street is busy, for example. Liverpool is busy. Mary Street is busy. With the return of tourists, I think there is more to come here. It's one of the big gaps in the like-for-like performance. As has been last year, holiday essentials both clothing and things such as luggage.

Given we haven't been using our suitcases for 2.5 ye ars, it surprised me somewhat that the March sales of suitcases across the group were 27% higher than three years ago when COVID was still in front of us. Nonetheless, travel-related, both in February and March, suitcases really good. Flip-flops way ahead of three years ago. A big missing part of our sales is coming back, particularly in the U.K. and Europe, Ireland, and it's encouraging for the second half. As is the return of some of the fashion ranges, smart, casual tailored clothing we found really hard to sell for two years. It's now performing really well. Lashes, nails, other products in health and beauty again have recovered very, very well.

As we invite people around to our houses again, the expanding home entertainment ranges are performing well too. All areas where return to normality gives us a sales uplift. Okay. We never stand still in Primark. Let me take you through some of the developments of the customer proposition, and let's just go on to the next slide. The Edit investment pieces, higher price points, but still absolutely fantastic value, are an increasing feature of our fashion ranges in store and are performing well. The great outdoors, again, you wouldn't have thought of buying a full length wetsuit from Primark previously.

The adult wetsuit sells at GBP 38, which is a really high price point for us, but represents astonishing value in the market. Again, we attract a new sort of customer to both and a new sort of purchase from existing customers as well. The marketing, the Greggs phenomenon was just that. It was a tremendous piece of marketing insight and marketing implementation. The Greggs ranges sold out within about a fortnight. The performance of the Greggs restaurant in the Birmingham store has been really good, but a lovely piece of collaborative marketing with another iconic brand in this country. Primark Cares has a customer aspect to it. Of course it does.

It's also an important thing that we are doing regardless of the commercial impact. When we launched Primark Cares, 25% of the product we sold in store came from recycled or sustainably sourced materials. That's now at 39% and 27% of our cotton was either organic recycled or came from the Primark Sustainable Cotton Programme. That's now 33%. We have a target of having 160,000 farmers trained in the sustainable cotton methodologies by the end of 2022. We're already up at 150, and we'll go well beyond that 160 target before the end of the calendar year. Transforming digital capability really important.

Let me just play a slide of what the website looks like and feels like. That linking of online search with physical retail is a really important step for us to have taken. The initial customer response is very strong. The technology that sits behind it is very flexible, very modern. We've had certain advantages, I think, in going late in the installation of technology. It'll be in all markets by the autumn. It's very important that we roll it out everywhere. There are enhancements to the customer experience to come. The closer integration with Primark social channels, which has been such a source of strength for us over the years, is an important development that we haven't got to yet.

Behind this sits significant investment in people and processes to utilize customer data that we're gonna be capturing for the first time. It will allow us to target our marketing much more precisely, for example, than we've ever done before. As I suggested, it's only one part of the digital transformation. Oracle is the other one. I suppose it's been the project that's kept John and me awake at night more than almost anything else ABF has done over the last few years, and now it's sort of done. By the end of the year, we'll have EPOS point of sale terminals in all the stores as well.

That will give us a lot more flexibility at point of purchase than we have ever had before, and again, is a nice advance in the technology space. We are, of course, obsessed by price at Primark. We always have been, we always will be. We are absolutely committed to price leadership and to everyday affordability. Nonetheless, the inflation, the weight of the inflation in just about everything, leaves us with no choice but to recover some of it from price in price from consumers. We've been very selective in our pricing decisions, we've gone product by product, range by range, country by country, in deciding what prices we can increase while maintaining point one, that commitment to price leadership.

We will see some price increases coming through in the autumn/winter stock, which will begin to arrive July and early August. Finally, the acceleration of selling space expansion in those major growth markets. Here first are some stores that we've opened in the first half, 3 in Spain and a lovely store in Sicily. I think it's a fact I've used before, but the population of Sicily is as big as that of the South Island. It's a potentially quite significant market for us. Really well received in all these locations. Since the half year ended, we opened our flagship in Italy in Via Torino, just around the corner from the Duomo.

As all our flagships are, it's an absolutely magnificent shop fit, lovely location, and it's been trading its socks off since we cut the ribbon, or the Mayor of Milan cut the ribbon, just a few weeks ago. In the second half, on top of the Milan store, another two stores in Italy, the Queens store in New York, Jamaica Avenue, will be a really good one for us, I'm sure. Our second store in the Czech Republic, and then Tallaght, important store for our Irish business.

The pipeline though is good and growing, and we have no reason at all to doubt our ability to get to 530 stores in the now 4.5 years we have before that target is tested. The growth markets U.S., France, Iberia, Italy, the pipeline is good in all of them. There's a strong opening program in the first part of the next financial year. A lot of stores will open in the run-up to Christmas. Next year as well, we'll go into two new markets in Slovakia and Romania. In the U.S., we've announced six new leases already, and there are three new ones to talk about today.

Buffalo, the nearest major U.S. city to Canada, that'll be interesting for my cousins. Jersey Gardens in New Jersey, again, an important mall. It'll be great. The second store in Chicago. We're already having to give ourselves more space in Sawgrass Mills in Florida, really even before the overseas visitors come back in any great numbers. Florida is encouraging. Outlook then. Commodity and energy prices have increased further following the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The full margin as a consequence is expected. Full margin recovery has been delayed into next financial year. The rest of the year will see a continued good performance in sugar. In the second half of Primark, we expect the sales to be ahead of the pre-COVID second half of 2019.

Now it's slightly ancient history, but and there have been a number of stores, a lot of stores opened since that period, but sales will be ahead in total. Then the operating profit in the second half this year, we still expect will be above the operating profit in the second half of last year, which was less COVID affected. The full margin for Primark. Sorry, the full year margin for Primark will be some 10% through the rest of the year. Expected growth in adjusted operating profit in the second half, despite all the inflation consequences. Just as a reminder of where we've come from, we expect to see significant progress in the adjusted operating profit and earnings per share for the full year.

Please do come to the briefing, ESG briefing on the 18th of May or dial in for us. We're focusing on our most important environmental factors, particularly energy plans, across the whole of the group. There is a lot of great information to be laid in front of you at that session. It's an important one. Thank you all very much. It's been a long presentation, and over to you now for questions and hopefully answers.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

We've got people obviously both here in the room and virtually so. With your agreement, we'll take questions first of all here in the room and then move on from there. Warwick, of course. Thank you.

Warwick Okines
Senior Analyst, BNP Paribas Exane

Thank you. Good morning. It's Warwick Okines from BNP Paribas Exane, and George, I imagine you're not gonna tell us what the price inflation is in Primark, but just conceptually, as we think about 2023 and beyond, are you happy to run the business at a single-digit margin? Because with around 10% this year and not fully recovering the prices, it does sound like you might be prepared to run it like that.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

We want to get margins back to the historic levels. It may. I don't know how long it's going to take. That will be a consequence as much of the macroeconomic circumstances as of our actions. We're not planning a long-term or forecasting a long-term reduction in those margins at Primark.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

I'll go with Anne Critchlow here. Thank you.

Anne Critchlow
Senior Retail Analyst, Société Générale

Thank you. Anne Critchlow from Société Générale. Two questions on Primark. Thinking about current trading since the half year end, has the like-for-like trend versus two years ago actually improved since then? And also, if you could talk a bit about Germany, and the Netherlands a bit as well, but in Germany, have you now resolved fully, the problems of overspacing and the range issues that you had?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Taking that second one first, there's further work to be done in Germany, getting the store size down to the trade that's available to us. So there's more work to be done. The sales since period end are still down. It's now down on three years ago, but by a much smaller quantity in the U.K. and Ireland than, as I said, three years ago. So we're still on negative like-for-likes, but small. Then Continental Europe is still down in the sort of low teens%.

Anne Critchlow
Senior Retail Analyst, Société Générale

Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Okay. All right. Thanks so much. Shall we go with Adam?

Adam Cochrane
General Retail and Luxury Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thanks. It's Adam Cochrane, Deutsche Bank. A couple of questions on the food business, if I can. In terms of when you're talking about the price increases and the input cost inflation, would you be able to run through, you know, when the prices are sort of agreed, when the just how the process works and why it's not possible just to increase them straight away, just in terms of that.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Adam Cochrane
General Retail and Luxury Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

The second one is slightly related. How does the price versus volume within that food business, within the sales you reported, what is the price versus volume? As you look forward into the next half or the next year, is there any issues with sort of, you know, X% price, but negative volumes? Is there a sort of operational deleverage in the food business that might be a concern? Thanks.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Okay. George, can I preface this?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah, yeah.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

By maybe just a comment. I think one of the things to look at in ABF is just the breadth of our operations. It is, you know, we are B2B food as well as B2C food. And quite honestly, as you look across the range of business and across the geographies, it varies, Adam. Yeah, why is it not like simultaneous? I wish, right? First of all, you know, have we been looking at this absolutely for a year or more? Yes, we have. It ranges from, in some of our businesses, I mean, I'm thinking particularly of animal feed, where actually pricing is taking place every month.

In some businesses and ingredients, for example, we have, we've seen this in our yeast business, longer term contracts where you're in there for a number of months, and it takes time for those contracts to run off. Indeed, that's the case for AB Sugar, where a number of the U.K. businesses were in annual contracts that were agreed, you know, last summer. You then come through to FMCG, which is, you know, the, this is then a discussion, negotiation with the retailers. The retailers are not just the U.K., but obviously North America and Australia.

One of the things that, I'm not looking for sympathy on this one, I'm trying to explain it, is, you know, you've got to see the inflation that's coming through, and then you know, you work out the quantum of it. It then takes time basically to negotiate and agree and then implement. As much as I'd like it to be short term, those things often will take months. That's why I think the pricing in certainly with some customers and some retailers, it isn't just one round. You're into a few rounds and that happening and that's the reality of it. George, I don't know whether you want to-

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

John's introduction has left me with very little to say. He's absolutely right. It's in the nature, the answer is in the nature of the contract you have and the nature of the person, your counterparty. Walmart demand a 100-day phase-in for a new for a product launch. That is the reality of the situation with that customer. In some other areas where monthly pricing in some of the ingredients businesses, specialty ingredients, where we are in that happy position of being able to say to customers, "You know, this is the price. Do you want it or not?" It's all in the power of the competitive position that your business is in.

Having said that, we've always thought it really important to have good, strong brands so that in the end you can get the price recovery that you need. It is, you know, in grocery, it almost always takes time. You have an arm wrestle and then you have a delay. In the meantime, what we found is we've had another round of inflationary cost increases. We found ourselves having thought originally that we'd get the pricing done and the margin recovery established for the second half. We've then found ourselves actually chasing the next round of inflation. That's what sits behind the point about delaying the full margin recovery into the second half. Now, something we're also really aware of is it's not just enough to get the cash margin back.

You've got to get the percentage margin back. Otherwise, the real value of your earnings comes down by inflation. You've got to reestablish that too. Retailers all around the world are doing what they do best, which is trying to defend the interests of their consumers and probably trying to nick some of your margin on the way through. Some and some. As John said, there's such diversity across the group and the nature of the business and the nature of the contracts that we have in the business that there's no single answer. In terms of also deleveraging, every time you move off an established price point, you're almost bound to see some sales reaction from the customer. It then builds back up over time in most cases.

In a circumstance where the consumer may well be cash squeezed, of course, you're going to find people shopping more affordably. You get all the changes that we see every time there's been a recession. You know, multi-buys become less relevant. Absolute price is key. Own label, where people shop, changes. What they buy in store changes. Their willingness to take chances with things which are new changes. All that is increasingly evident.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Okay.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

One of the sadnesses, just on a kind of ESG point, I suppose, is that one of the things that less affluent families save on really early on is fresh fruit and vegetables because they've got to drive waste out of their family budget.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

It's the brown bananas that they can't stand seeing going in the bin.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

They don't buy them.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

We'll go Richard Chamberlain at the back. Second row. Thanks. Yeah, that's the one. Thanks.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Yeah, thanks a lot. Richard Chamberlain, RBC. Couple from me, please. On the sugar side, guys, what were the startup losses booked for Vivergo in the first half? And is that it now, or is there more to come in the second half there? What's your expectation for that business for the second half? And then I wondered if you can make a comment on Primark's sort of inventory composition. I mean, I presume you're quite happy with it and

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

All the sort of winter or hibernated stock has sort of come out now.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Is that actually causing now a margin or some margin impact in the second half, I guess, because I guess that stuff was bought at much lower prices previously?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

No. Well, well, well spotted. Some of the margin support in the first half was a consequence of stock holdover.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Okay.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Not a great deal, but an element.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Okay.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

The whole supply chain is moving slightly slower. Ships are taking an extra two weeks to get here. There's a working capital impact of that, but you can adjust to it in time.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Okay.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

We're not short of stock, except in narrow areas in certain markets. It's feeling a whole lot better-

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

-than it was.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Mm-hmm.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Sorry, I'm-

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

[crosstalk] I'll go Vivergo.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Vivergo.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

You do Vivergo.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Somewhat over GBP 10 million cost is expensed in that first half sugar number.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Okay.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Which of course was not there in the pre-half year.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

It's not fully up and running. It's running at about 50% at the moment. Our first sales of ethanol should be this week.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Oh.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Quite an exciting moment.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Okay. Okay.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Great.

Richard Chamberlain
Managing Director and Co-Head of Global Consumer and Retail Research, RBC

Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks. Simon Owen at the front. Yeah, please.

Simon Owen
Director of EMEA, Britvic PLC

Thank you. Three questions from me. Firstly, just in U.K. sugar, how do you persuade farmers to keep planting, when oilseed rape prices are going through the roof, fertilizer and other inputs are going up? Is there a danger that you just lose volumes potentially in the long term? And then just on Primark, can you just describe what capability you get now from, particularly from the EPOS systems as it goes in? Is there work to do on loyalty? And maybe you could talk a bit more about marketing. And finally, we're now a couple of years into Eastern Europe.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Simon Owen
Director of EMEA, Britvic PLC

Now, what have you learned through opening stores in what? Five or six different markets in Eastern Europe about the rollout potential.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Simon Owen
Director of EMEA, Britvic PLC

Farmers.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

The farmers first. We're gonna have to buy acres with price. The sugar beet price, I have no doubt, has to will go up. We are well aware of what the profitability of other crops is in the U.K., particularly in a world of inflating input costs. Sugar beet is a lower user of nitrogen fertilizer than cereals. There's an advantage to farmers who are worrying about fertilizer costs. There's an attraction in sugar beet. We've got to be competitive. That's why I said earlier that sugar beet prices will go up just as our energy prices will go up. We have confidence in the selling price to compensate for them. EPOS capability, John, do you wanna start with that one?

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah, I mean, EPOS capability is very much about the efficiency of really the checkout. You know, these terminals are way more efficient. In terms of that efficiency, 'cause I mean obviously there's quite a large cost for us in terms of the number of people that are doing the checkouts at Primark. I think we'll get to that. That is the major driver of the benefit of that.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

There's lots more flexibility. You know, we've never been able to do a multi-buy, for example.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Simon Owen
Director of EMEA, Britvic PLC

We will with EPOS. We've never been able to do remote checkout, so you can't have someone wandering around under the old system. You can with EPOS. What was the other one that had the capability?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah, it also enabled things like self-service checkouts. We've been running. We're now onto our second trial of self-service. There's quite a lot of cost that can be-

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

That can be done.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

-released.

When you're looking at, you know, efficiency in store, it's obviously the area that we'll be looking at going forward. Well, we're looking at it all the time, but, you know, there's-

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

It's a big enabler.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

-technology-led level of efficiency that can come out of here, and EPOS is the start of that, I think.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Eastern Euro pe is going well.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

There's more good competition, particularly in children's wear in Eastern Europe. We have to fight harder. Price is a very strong driver of decision-making in the slightly less affluent parts of the world. We are doing well. COVID remains quite a big restriction in Czechia and some of the other markets. You know, our roadmap is unaltered.

The overall return you're getting on stores in Eastern Europe is-

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

is very good.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

-is comparable.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Simon Owen
Director of EMEA, Britvic PLC

Okay. Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks. We'll take Clive Black, please. Thank you.

Clive Black
Vice Chairman and Head of Research, Shore Capital

Yeah. Thank you. Clive Black. Two questions again, mate. Firstly, on food, both before and after Ukraine, do you think food security is becoming a more strategic issue where actual value is within the business and where you may allocate more capital, both working and physical? Secondly, Primark price leadership. What does that actually mean? Flesh out what Primark price leadership means, please.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Let me do that one. What it doesn't mean is the basket will be cheaper than the others. It's every product, as it's always been. We will be the most competitive on everything we sell on a kind of like-for-like basis. Our tolerance of people undercutting us with product which isn't quite as good is very low. We'll go look at the sweatshirt, and it might be a less good sweatshirt, but we're gonna beat that price. That's what price leadership means. Food security is one of these things that comes. We get reminded of every 15 years or so. I think, you know, in good abundant times, we think we can muck around with the food system without any consequence. We see the consequence.

That mucking around can either be making imports from certain countries more difficult, or it can be putting too much into renewable fuels or renewable chemicals. Everyone's got to remember that feeding people comes first. Another thing, you know, food security right now is also being threatened by countries banning exports of certain things or of subsidizing, in the case of one of our major markets, the price of chicken in the local market. In a short crop, there has to be a shock absorber, and that mustn't be starvation for the least affluent. It's got to be meat consumption, it's got to be bioethanol consumption. It's got to be these things which have a less dramatic effect on the well-being of the less affluent.

I, you know, it's probably a good thing that we're reminded sometimes that food security sits really at the, as part of the bedrock of civilized world. Well, one of the COVID was an enormous threat to food security. We got through it really well because we have supply chains that are very resilient. We have choice in them. You know, India got shut down for a while, Indian ports got shut down, but we could get product from Eastern Europe. It probably means that we always should have a little bit more stock in the system than we've had in the past, and we should also have redundant production capacity. I think we've narrowed down our. I think we've gone too much just in time and tried to match average demand to productive capacity too much.

We could increase our supply of little bags of retail flour packs by about 50%. Well, demand went up by 400%. We didn't have the capacity to run with it. Perhaps in the future, to have a packing facility that runs on one shift normally rather than three, isn't gonna be a great cost impost.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Okay. So last one in the room. Bruce Hubbard. Thanks, Bruce. Just thank you.

Bruce Hubbard
Partner and Senior Analyst, Odey Asset Management

Thanks. Bruce Hubbard at Odey Asset Management. If I could do them one at a time. First one, very simple. Typical store opening might be 80, 90, 100 index sales as it matures over two or three, probably three years. What about your flagships? Has anything changed there, given your description of Milan?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

The flagships are likely the most COVID-affected. The previous flagship we opened is in Barcelona. Lovely store. There are still way fewer tourists.

Bruce Hubbard
Partner and Senior Analyst, Odey Asset Management

Sorry, it wasn't a COVID question.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Bruce Hubbard
Partner and Senior Analyst, Odey Asset Management

It was a COVID in the rear view mirror. When you open a mega new store like in Milan.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes, yes.

Bruce Hubbard
Partner and Senior Analyst, Odey Asset Management

Does it open at a mature sales? Does it mature over several years?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

It often opens above the long-term sales. Birmingham certainly did that-

Bruce Hubbard
Partner and Senior Analyst, Odey Asset Management

Thanks

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

-for example, and then settles back a little.

Bruce Hubbard
Partner and Senior Analyst, Odey Asset Management

If I could do a secondary one is you were

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Bruce, before you go there, sorry. The one rider for that is I still think the U.S. still is one of growing awareness. I would still put the, you know, the likelihood of positive like-for-likes even opening well-known locations. You know, we've seen that. You know, I'm very pleased with Miami, which is, you know, we're now needing more space. That's growing. I think in Europe, yes. I think in the U.S., the likelihood of a further increase I think is still there for a few years yet.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks. If you're a food retailer, I could ask you, basket cannibalization, switching, and space.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

As a driver of your like- for- like. Primark, by universal consent, had stunning switching behaviors in the Great Recession.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Mm.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

On top of space and maturity. So I've got two questions on that is, one is how much do you know of, on those categories in Primark? What are your thoughts, positives, and negatives about how you might benefit from switching in the current squeeze versus the Great Recession? It seems particularly focused on lower-end customers.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Some of the IT systems that are going in place on the digital capability will tell us a lot more about those sorts of issues than we've been able to work out in the past. I would go back in my own head and share it with you, the words of Arthur Ryan, which was, "If you worry about the goods in the store, what you choose to put in the store, and you worry about the price, everything else sort of takes care of itself." In other words, don't overanalyze your world, it'll just slow you down. We will never be as analytically capable as companies whose business is in selling the same stuff over and over and over again.

We're selling difference the whole time, and that's what we need to be best at. We will know more. Discounters either suffer less or do better in recessionary times. Of course they do. I think there is real opportunity for Primark in a consumer squeeze to attract new customers, to attract people who shop with us sometimes, but not often, to do so more. You've got, you know, the customer attraction on one end, and the other end are really important, less affluent shopper having less money. How that balances up, I think we just wait and see.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Okay. Thanks, Chris. Okay, we've got a couple of questions online. If we could take the first online question, please.

Operator

The first question comes from the line of Roland French from Davy. Please go ahead.

Roland French
Equity Research Analyst, Davy

All right. Many thanks and morning, everybody. I've got three questions, if I could. Two on Primark and one on the food business. Just maybe starting with pricing at Primark and how you're thinking about the level of pricing that you're taking in the second half in context of like- for- likes and volumes, i.e., is the algorithm there? Are you solving for margins and trying to maintain that double digit full year target? Or is the starting point looking at competitors' pricing corridors? Some insight there would be useful. Maybe a second one on Primark for John. Just dialing into the margin expectations for the second half. Full year broadly, it's coming back 100 basis points. Clearly, that's higher on a H2 basis.

Can you help us locate the driver of that, across raw materials, freight, distribution, energy, et cetera? Finally, maybe just on the food business for the H2 profit expectations, can you give us some guidance or hints around your expectations for margin or even absolute operating profit? I'll leave it at that. Thanks very much.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Okay. We've got trying to do two things with Primark pricing. Just before I tell you what they are, just to remind you, very little of it will be in the second half. It's the autumn/winter stock, not spring/summer. Spring/summer doesn't move. The most important thing is that we remain the most competitive clothing retailer on the high street or online. That's the thing that just doesn't move. At the same time, however, we need to recover some of this cost inflation. We will push some prices up. If we have to bring them down because we're no longer competitively where we need to be, we'll do that. It's all about, you know, we'll get as a fair chunk, I hope, of the inflationary cost back.

We have no choice but to go after it, but not at the long-term cost of the business.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Shall I come on to one or two?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Why don't you do two and three?

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah, exactly. The first one you're asking about the movers of margin in Primark in the second half. Look, by and large, the bought-in margin is pretty well set. As you can imagine, you know, the spring/summer stock that we are selling now will have been bought back in the, you know, the late autumn of last year. The currency basically for that bought in margins is pretty well there. You're aware that as far as sea freight is concerned, there is some top-up costs that the carriers are requesting. What's it called? Bunker fuel or whatever. There's some elements of that. By and large, we've known pretty well what that is.

Where the margin has been hit is, it's actually the cost of operating our stores. It's the cost of energy of operating our stores and then probably higher than you would have imagined a few months ago in terms of the store labor costs, which certainly have seen quite a hike. We knew about obviously the increase in minimum wages, but I think otherwise costs have risen more than we would have expected there. You've asked about food margins. Food margins clearly coming down this year a bit more than we would have expected, and that's obviously the reason we're bringing your margins down for the full year. Everything else being equal, you would see. We're getting a number. This is the case for Primark.

The timing of pricing is, in the case of Primark, the end of this financial year. We'll get the benefit of that pricing into the next financial year, but we'll also get the hit of the full year effect of cost increases this year or where some of the hedges have come off. The same applies to food. I think where we are with food, we're certainly our pricing is not over. We've done some, we're doing some, and we will do some, if I can paraphrase it like that, where, you know, towards the end of, you know, this financial year, we'll have further prices coming through that will run into next year. That's a very broad answer, Roland, but hopefully that gives you a feel.

Roland French
Equity Research Analyst, Davy

Thanks, guys. Thanks very much.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thank you.

We've got another couple. We'll take the next question online, please.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Warren Ackerman from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Morning, John, George. It's Warren Ackerman here at Barclays. Hopefully you can hear me okay. I've got a couple as well. The first one is on palm oil. Can you say how much you spend on palm oil or what percentage of COGS palm oil is, and what impact are you seeing from the Indonesian export ban? Do you have any alternative suppliers in Malaysia? Just interested in where we're at on palm oil, specifically for your business. The second one is on Primark market shares. Are you able to offer any data points as to what is happening to market share? We can obviously see the exit rates for Primark, but in terms of how you're doing vis-a-vis competition as your stores are open, that would be helpful if there's anything you can share.

Just thirdly, if I can squeeze one in on currency. I heard the point about the built-in margin on transactional FX, but what about translation? Because obviously currencies have been moving around significantly, euro weakness, U.S. dollar strength. Any kind of steer as to the translation impact on EBIT for Primark in the second half and into next year would be helpful. Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Okay. Warren, let me start with palm oil. We use very little palm oil.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Okay.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

It's low numbers of tens of thousands of tons. The consequence on our own cost directly of palm oil is small. Of course, of the alternative oils going up so much.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Yeah

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Because of that export ban that does impact us. That's the biggest users of edible oil, of course, are U.S. businesses, ACH and then also Stratas. We've demonstrated a good track record so far of recovering increased vegetable oil costs driven from wherever they might have come from, but increasingly by shortages of palm. It's not a direct effect.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Okay.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Market shares, John.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Market shares, Warren. I mean, again, the best market that we've got is the U.K., which is Kantar data. The latest Kantar, remember, this is a three-month period, and this is our share of the overall market, so includes online. The latest data, which I think is up to March, again, remember, includes the more Omicron affected-

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Yeah

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Beginning of the year shows us with value share in line with pre-COVID levels. In fact, it's bang in line. I think it's about 6.2% or whatever by value.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Yeah.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Our volume share is down, I think a percentage point, so that for that period. I would imagine that as the Omicron falls out of the earlier months, then that will come through. You know, for me, certainly by value share, that would say that, you know, we've retained our share of the overall market. Then currency translation, a stronger U.S. dollar, benefits us through translation more than it costs us in transaction at Primark. It's a net positive.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Okay. The euro? Weakness?

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

I mean, look, if I have a pecking order, you know, there's at the moment dollar strength, sterling's in the middle a bit and the euro is weaker. We will see a translational loss, I think, on the euro earnings of Primark in the second half. Obviously, it's in things like ingredients.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Mm.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Our other businesses where we'll see a translational gain from dollar strength that will come through there. Yes, I mean, it's a few percent-

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Yeah

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

-that will come off the euro earnings of Primark in the second half.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Super.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks, Warren.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Thanks.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

We'll go on to our very last question, if we may, which is online. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Georgina Johanan from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Georgina Johanan
Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to come back on the fiscal 2023 Primark margin, please. And Georgia, I appreciate your comments with regards to longer term wanting to get back to historic margins. But for fiscal 2023, obviously you've got price being positive from a margin perspective, but on my understanding, incremental FX headwinds and incremental cotton inflation coming through. Should we actually expect the fiscal 2023 margin to progress positively versus the second half of this year, please?

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Could I go there? Look, if we're guiding to 10% for the full financial year, then we're really saying margins will be a little below the 10% clearly in the second half. I would expect next year to be ahead of the second half of this year. Okay? This is going back, I think, to you, Warwick, which is that that's a single digit number. That's not. Look, I mean, let's. I know we're all looking for clarity here. There are a big number of moving parts, and you've really said those. I think pricing is a big positive.

The other one which I don't want to lose is, I would even if there is some tempering of consumer demand in the first half of the next financial year, I would expect sales densities coming out of COVID to improve in some markets as well. Those are the tailwinds. The headwinds are obviously the currency moving back, that's the dollar, the dollar strength, and then obviously full year inflationary impacts. Okay.

Georgina Johanan
Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Thank you, John. Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Great. I think that's it. Thank you very much, everybody, and come back to us, please, if there are any further follow-up questions on this. Thank you very much this morning.

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