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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Apr 25, 2023

Speaker 12

Should we get started?

Sure.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Let's get started. Yeah, it's well after 9. Thank you all very much for joining us in person today. Thank you for those of you who are online. Before I get into the results presentations, I have a few comments to make about my learned friend on the right. I think all of you know that today is John's last time presenting ABF results. He was appointed our finance director on the 4th of May 1999. Just a week short of 40. Oh, I'm sorry, not 40, of 24 years ago, when my daughter, who just graduated from university last summer, was 6 months away from being born. We've established that he's been around for a long time. The big question is, has he been any good?

We've been doing a bit of internal research. This isn't audited, I warn you. We've had a look at the 35 survivors in the FTSE, or the companies in the FTSE 100 who were in the FTSE 100 when John started up as Finance Director. The first point to make, it's kind of important in a family company, especially when I'm family, is that we're still alive. You know, two-thirds of the constituents aren't there anymore. We had a bit of a fright during COVID, perhaps, other than that, probably especially during that, John, thank you very much. Here are the total shareholder returns for the best of that, those 35 survivors. Here are the companies. We're eighth.

Here are the number of finance directors that each of them has had during the period. If we divide total returns by total finance directors to get total shareholder return per finance director over the period, and I think we've established that John has not only been good, he's been the best. I've spoken several times over the last since John announced that he wanted to step back about John's fine judgment around capital allocation and the capital disciplines he's embedded in our processes and in our culture. They're worth saluting again. They're a big reason why we have a good track record. I've also spoken about how John has embedded high standards in our accounting and in our controls.

Accuracy around numbers is part of our DNA, not least thanks to John. The basics are done really well in ABF, at least most of the time. We all understand that in a diversified company, with loads of devolved authority, reliable numbers are absolutely vital. You must always know where you are. I've also spoken another about another one of his superpowers, which is his sometimes exhausting energy, most remarkably after nights involving red wine. It is no coincidence that we're replacing John with an ex-rugby playing Irishman. I haven't spent much time paying tribute to John's qualities as a communicator, now I will. I think this is the right time and the place to do it.

In a company like this with a majority shareholder, it is so important that other shareholders feel that relevant information is available to them, that their views are listened to, even if we don't have to do what you tell us to, and respected, and that they believe what they're being told. It might sometimes have been hard to get hold of John before 7:00 A.M. and after 7:00 P.M. has worked for many, but I hope you agree that he's always possessed an extraordinary knowledge of this company, a fantastic insight into what all the different parts are trying to achieve. For someone trained as a scientist, this is unusual and quite annoying. A first-class ability to bring clarity to his spoken and to his written communications.

I've shared so many meetings with John where I've marveled at how articulate he is, especially when he's needing to bring some sense to statements of mine, which where I thought I was being totally clear, but sadly no one else did. But for all his ability to retain information, for all his ability to speak in sentences, John's brilliance, I think, as a communicator rests most of all on something that he's never set out to achieve, which is that he gets people to like him. He is a really good bloke, who in turn just likes other people.

John, I hope you won't mind me saying this, it's a bit personal, I think some of your ability as a communicator, and as a people person is founded on your deep Christian faith, that leads you to respect, value, and sometimes, yes, love your fellow man. I don't think he's ever really thought of himself as superior to anyone, this is a rare and very special quality. Let me very briefly then introduce Eoin, although I suspect many of you know him well already. For a pronunciation lesson, his surname is pronounced Tonge.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yes? Yeah, absolutely.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

He says by the time he started to correct people at Marks & Spencer who had chosen other versions, it was too late to do so politely, and we don't want to repeat that mistake here at ABF. Eoin's job in the next little while is to persuade you all that the wheels won't fall off when John isn't here. For today, he's sitting next to us, largely quietly, I think. But will participate in the Q&A, particularly on anything around the outlook statement. The numbers in this presentation for the first half aren't his. Let me turn on to the first half business highlights. This is a much better performance than we'd anticipated last summer. We really are delighted with them.

We've seen extreme volatile cost movements in all our markets, and we've had to take considerable cost mitigation and pricing actions. The food business, in particular, has been very resilient through all this, and we've seen exceptional performance in ingredients that we'll come back to. Primark sales are up 19%, driven by footfall pricing, and new stores. We've seen volume growth in all our markets despite difficult consumer conditions. The decision not to fully recover cost input, cost inflation, I think has been a good one. I think we've judged that balance between the need to recover costs and the need to protect our consumers. I think we've judged that well.

I'll come back to it, the new store opening program has been very successful. We've seen increased investment across both Primark and the food businesses and some important innovation, particularly the Primark website, which is a ever more evidently valuable part of Primark's capabilities. First half financial highlights. These then, group revenues are up 17%, adjusted operating profit down 7%, adjusted operating profit before tax in line with financing costs moving in our favor. Adjusted earnings per share are down 3%. Interim dividends the board has decided upon are up 3%, reflecting confidence in the business. Gross investment up 17% to GBP 527 million. With that, John, over to you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks, George. These results should be seen in the context of significant inflationary pressures really over the last year or so. Group revenue up was GBP 9.6 billion, an increase of 21% at actual currency and an increase of 17% at constant currency over last year. The scale of this increase demonstrates the work done by all our businesses to recover input cost inflation that we weren't able to mitigate through operational efficiencies. Importantly, there were also volume increases, and that was notably in Primark and in ingredients. You'll remember that last autumn, we chose not to recover all the input cost inflation in Primark with pricing. The execution of pricing in our food businesses, particularly grocery, have lagged input cost inflation. The group adjusted operating profit margin in the first half declined as a result.

As a consequence, adjusted operating profit declined 3% to GBP 684 million at actual exchange rates and declined 7% at constant currency. You'll note that there were no exceptional items in either half year in arriving at the adjusted operating profit. Exchange rate movements were certainly a feature of this half. Sterling was particularly weak at the beginning of the period, and the weighted average exchange rate of sterling against the US dollar was 1.18 in this first half, and that compared to 1.35 in the same period a year ago. These results include a GBP 29 million benefit on the translation of our non-sterling earnings. This period's unadjusted or statutory operating profit of GBP 663 million decreased by 3%.

The improvement in net interest expense was driven mainly by the benefit of the increase in interest rates on what was earned on our cash balances. The improvements in other financial income reflected a further substantial increase in the surplus in the group's defined benefit pension schemes. As a result of the improvements in our financial income, statutory operating profit was ahead at GBP 644 million, and then with adjusted profit before tax, broadly in line with last year. Let's come on to tax. The effective tax rate increased to 24.7% from 23.2% the last half year.

This rate is in line, I think with the guidance previously given, of course includes rather, the impact on the blended tax rate for the full year of the increase in UK corporation tax, which went from 19% to 25% in April. A deferred tax asset arose in relation to the charge taken in last year's accounts for the impairment of property, plant, and equipment and store leases in Primark Germany. A significant proportion of that asset was deemed to be irrecoverable and was written off as an exceptional tax charge last year. As a result of further work undertaken this year, it's been determined that more of this deferred tax asset is recoverable. What you can see here, an exceptional non-cash tax credit of GBP 58 million has been recognized in this half year.

We anticipate the effective tax rate for the full year to be close to that reported here for the half year. Coming on to earnings and dividends per share. Let me just talk first of all about the share buyback program. We announced that GBP 500 million in November 2022. Actually in the half year itself, we purchased 8.1 million shares for GBP 140 million. The shares bought back were canceled. At the end of the half year, we had 784 million ordinary shares in issue. The weighted average, which is the number that you see on this page, was 786 million, which compared to 789 million in the last financial year.

As of close of play on Friday, we'd actually repurchased 12.2 million shares for a total consideration of GBP 219 million. You can see that we're getting really very close to the halfway stage in terms of the share buybacks. Adjusted earnings per share declined 3% to GBP 62.0 pence. On an unadjusted basis, earnings per share increased to GBP 67 pence, and that obviously was driven by the difference from the unadjusted by that exceptional deferred tax credit that I've just mentioned. The board has declared an interim dividend of GBP 14.2 pence per share, and that's an increase of 3% on last year, which reflects our confidence in our forecast for the outturn for the full financial year. Let's move on to the balance sheet.

Net assets for the group at the half year increased by some GBP 0.9 billion to GBP 11.4 billion. The increase was driven by, first of all, a translation benefit arising from the weakness of sterling between the two half years of some GBP 0.3 billion. You've got a net investment in tangible fixed assets. I'll talk to you about the level of capital expenditure in a moment, a significant improvement in the net pension asset, an increase in working capital, that's obviously partially offset by a reduction in the net cash. I think the net cash figure is in line with your expectations. Working capital increased by GBP 1 billion. That's from the half year to half year, so that's over the year. Translation was responsible for GBP 100 million of this increase.

The other major factors were the impact of inflation. Don't forget that, which we've estimated to be some probably GBP 450 million in terms of adding to the working capital. There's a larger than usual increase in seasonal inventory in our sugar businesses, and that's driven and it's about GBP 100 million. That's certainly driven by, which is a welcome increase, the increase sugar production in Illovo. I think the balance are higher inventories across all of our businesses. I want to remind you that Primark a year ago, the inventories actually were too low. If you remember, that reflected the logistics and supply chain difficulties that were experienced in the first half of last year.

These inventories have increased somewhat as a result, probably a little higher than you would have expected, but I expect a reduction from this level at the half year to probably the consensus that you've got by the financial year-end. Other net financial assets comprise derivative positions arising from our usual hedging activities, which are effective and are mainly currency and energy, and the change year on year reflects the volatility in these markets. The deferred tax liability increase to GBP 124 million really is a consequence of the increase in the UK net pension assets. Now let's move on to cash flow. We normally see, as you know, a free cash outflow in the first half of the group. That really is and normally is driven by a build of sugar inventories in the Northern Hemisphere.

What we've got here is last year being lower and this year being higher than that normal. Last year, the outflow was unusually low as a result of the much lower inventory at Primark that I've just referred to. This half year, I would say the free cash outflow is higher than a typical year. Of course, the cash outflow this year includes GBP 140 million relating to the share buyback program. The main remaining increase is mainly driven by higher capital expenditure and higher working capital outflow. Let me turn to capital expenditure first of all. The increase here was driven by, we've got a large number of capital projects which are underway. There's also, I think, a recovery from pandemic-affected low levels of the last few years.

The increase of the investment in our food businesses primarily relates to projects which are building capacity and looking forward. In Primark, the increase reflects, I think, the welcome acceleration of our new store program and expenditure to expand our capabilities in automation and technology. We expect this higher level of investment to continue over the medium term. Factor that into your cash flows as you look at it. The increase in working capital in this first half was driven by the factors that I've just referred to when talking about the balance sheet. We paid GBP 235 million for the final dividend of the 2022 financial year in this half year. That's lower than the prior cash outflow. You'll note...

You'll remember that that included a special dividend that was declared in the 2021 financial year. The cash outflow in the first half resulted in net cash before lease liabilities of GBP 586 million at the half year. Net debt, including these liabilities of GBP 3.2 billion, was GBP 2.6 billion, and that gives us a financial leverage ratio of 1.2 times. We expect a positive free cash flow in the second half of this year. That certainly includes the continuation of the share buyback program as originally intended. Of course, you have the seasonal unwind of Northern Hemisphere sugar inventories, and I suspect there will be a reduction in Primark inventories. I would expect financial leverage to reduce as a result by the financial year-end. Coming then onto the last slide from me.

This is the performance analysis by business segment. Revenue was ahead in each of our food businesses and combined, Grocery, Sugar, Agriculture, and Ingredients. They were 17% ahead of last year. Grocery revenues, you can see the increase has moved up there. We achieved 10% ahead of last year benefiting from the build of price increases taken. I think as expected, margin declined, and it moved from 9.6% last year to 8.2% as a result of that lag of implementation of price increases. I've got to say that given the scale of the inflation seen by these businesses, I believe an adjusted operating profit broadly in line in Grocery, I think is a very creditable result. AB Sugar revenues were 27% ahead of last year, that's driven by higher sugar and co-product prices.

The strong performance by Illovo, which is very, very strong, I think, in the first half, more than offset the crop and inflationary challenges of this business. We now expect full year profit to be below that of last year for the full year. I suspect that the strength of the adjusted operating profit in ingredients will be ahead of your expectations. AB Mauri delivered a really strong performance in this first half, and ABF Ingredients also performed well. They're both delivering volume growth as well as strong price execution. At Primark, total sales for the first half were 17% ahead of last year of constant currency, with increases in all our geographic markets. Trading was significantly better, that was really driven by the good footfall.

That really was the demonstration of the appeal, I think, of our proposition to new and existing customers. I think very importantly, this represented a really, a material improvement in both the UK and in Europe on the second half of the last financial year. The benefit of stronger sales than expected drove adjusted operating profit margin up to 8.3%. That's certainly higher than we expected last September. It really is about that volume outperformance, which I think is the driver of that. Of course, it was the strength of the US dollar against both sterling and euro and the inflation in fabrics that resulted in that substantial increase in cost of goods, and that was the reason for the decline in the margin.

The segmental analysis by geography, I think I set out in an appendix for you. I think just do cast a glance at it. I think of note is the increase in the adjusted operating profit in North America, which is getting on for double. That really is driven by the success of our grocery and ingredients businesses there. George, thank you very much for the words that you said. This really is the last time that I've got the pleasure of addressing you all. I think this is my 48th presentation. I'd say it's really quite a number. I think something really must have kept me going for 24 years, or at least you would expect that.

I think in reality, there probably are many things, but primarily what I would like to say is that I've really enjoyed talking to you about a business that I both love and believe in. It's, it's never been boring, not least because engaging with you lot has always been stimulating and at times challenging. My thanks for my engagement with you all, and at that point, really for the last time, pass over back to George. Thank you. I think GBP 1.50 this morning at Primark just up the road. Starting then with Primark, with retail, where trading was significantly better than we'd anticipated back in September, and I'll come back from that, for that. In particular, we're delighted by the increase in footfall, in the UK, in and Europe, both.

Then, as John said, higher sales drove and higher footfall drove the profit margin up to 8.3%. We can see a route still back to double-digit margins, but for now, 8.3 is much better than we feared it was going to be. The new stores, we opened 0.5 million sq ft, 13 new stores, and they've been really successful. The sales densities across the 13 are significantly higher than the company average. The 530 stores ambition is alive and well.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

As each new store opens, as well as they have been doing, we get more and more excited. The digital development is really very important. The rollout of the improved website, I'll show you more about that in a moment. Then, the Click and Collect trial in the Northeast has gone sufficiently well that we're going to extend it and expand it into another 32 stores, which are the London stores, and Lakeside and Blue Water, which are just outside the M25. The German restructuring and growth plan is in place. We've got quite a lot to say about that in Germany today. Then we're also announcing an acceleration of our expansion into southern states in the United States, anchored by a new warehouse in Florida.

The sales performance then, like-for-like sales are up 10, with obviously higher average selling prices, but higher unit volumes as well and significantly higher footfall. We had feared that by moving our prices up, we would lose some of our shoppers who are going to be cash squeezed anyway. That really didn't happen. We've seen a little bit of a reduction in units per transaction, but not all that much. We thought that we would get new customers giving us a try because they were looking for value, and we've certainly seen that. We've also, I think, done a very good job of attracting customers who would previously have shopped in some of the high street stores that went bust during COVID.

I think that the last part is, I think the website is undoubtedly driving traffic. UK like-for-likes are up 15, and our value market share has gone from 6.2% to 6.5, and I'll show you how that's built over time. Europe, excluding the UK, like-for-sales are up 8. Again, higher average selling prices, higher footfall, and much improved performances in Spain, France, and then Germany as well. Sales in the US are 11% higher. We had 6.1% by value units, value share of the UK clothing market. That's online and offline combined in 2019. Went up by a little bit in 2020. We were then largely shut.

Last year, we got all that traditional share back despite the growth in online participation in the clothing market. This year, we've increased at a rate that we haven't seen for some while. We are growing share in the U.K. in particular, we're motoring. In Germany, we saw like-for-like sales increase 13%. Absolutely great. We've recently rolled out the website with the stock tracker. We think that will be particularly relevant in the German market. We have, we need to, and we are addressing the profitability of the current estate. It's still profitable in total, but sales densities are too low, and they're too low because many of our stores are too big, and they're too close to one another.

We've already closed two stores in Germany, Gelsenkirchen, and one of the Berlin stores in the half year. Actually, the Berlin store will be closed outside the period. Today, we're announcing our intention to close four more stores, obviously in consultation with employee representatives, which are Frankfurt, Gelsenkirchen, Krefeld, and Kaiserslautern. Having most recently reduced the size of the Hanover store, we're going to be consulting on reducing the size of more stores. The average German store is 50% larger than in other markets. Germany is a big country. There are many Germans who live in areas not within shopping distance of a Primark, and we plan to invest in new locations where we're not yet present.

We've designed a new smaller store model, probably around 20,000 sq ft, and we're actively looking for new space for those. We're in negotiations with potential new locations, and we'll share more of that with you later on in the year. Primark Digital, the much-improved customer website is now live in the UK, Republic of Ireland, Germany, and Spain, which launched last week. On average, traffic is considerably up 60%-100% up on prior. And usage of the stock checker function is running around 20%, which we think is really good. We think that that is driving footfall into stores, and we really are very pleased with the impact the new site is having.

Italy is next market to go, followed by the U.S. and France. We'll have all the markets, all 16 of our markets with the new website before the end of the summer. The Click and Collect trial has progressed well. As you know, it's only in 25 stores and only on kidswear. We're seeing good basket sizes purchased online. We're seeing then good attachment rates in stores, and we're seeing low rates of return, lower than we'd anticipated, even given that kidswear typically has a lower rate of return than some of the other, some of the other categories. We're sufficiently confident to roll it out into London stores, we're refitting the old customer service desks to be Click and Collect collection points.

That'll be done by July or so. Digital engagement more generally, let me in a moment show you this video. The customers produce most of our content. It really is a lovely business model. This video we're gonna show you was watched nearly 500,000 times. We didn't produce it. We have our own TikTok channels, but there are so many, and TikTok is the major channel now for us. This is the increasingly famous Snuddie, which is to spring summer, I think, what Velvet Plush Leggings were to the autumn, let me just show you this.

Speaker 13

Baby, do it right. Do me right. We can go all the time. We can move fast then rewind. When you put your body on mine, I come alive. Alive.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

That was it. Let me just say a little bit about bestsellers in, in the first half because I think some of them have been interesting. The first were the cold weather essentials sold early in the season. I think we all sat inside, I certainly did, in the study. I didn't have the Velvet Plush Leggings, attempting not to turn the central heating on. Sales of winter ranges, particularly those two, those two products, were quite phenomenal. Cold weather essentials. Now, of course, we also had a very good Christmas lapping as we did the Omicron affected Christmas the year before. We've also seen in the period, and we're not quite sure where it's coming from, early buying of holiday ranges.

Now it may be because our availability is much better than it was a year ago, but we've got into holiday gear much earlier, in this first half. I'm delighted health and beauty is performing extremely well. I think on the back of, well, obviously more socializing, but also really good quality ranges that we offer. Great product, obviously fantastic prices. Sales of skincare and other health and beauty products are well ahead. I now want to turn to some extensions of our offer. We've seen Debenhams disappear. We've seen Warehouse, Principles, Jane Norman, Peacocks, Wallis, Dorothy Perkins, Topshop, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

There are many shoppers looking for new places on the high street to do their clothes shopping. We have deliberately set out to attract them with products they might not have associated with Primark in the past. The Edit goes from strength to strength. Premium fabrics in particular, fantastic value, but at higher price points than we would have seen in Primark stores in the past. The Kem ranges, which is basically the smart casual clothing for men, again, fantastic. Kem. In most markets, people got no idea who Kem is, but they know great clothes. Really good quality clothing at prices which are well under what you would expect to pay for those sorts of products.

Then the second range from Paula Echevarría, who is a Spanish actress and social media leader. Again, products selling well everywhere. Sales of this sort of offer, which we haven't typically had in the past, are growing very quickly, and it's very exciting. As I say, it's part of the reason that we're seeing footfall going up. It's not just kind of wealth effect driving people to shop cheaper. It's because our offer has expanded and done so very attractively. Primark Cares, let me tell you a little bit more about where we are there. We're launching, well, we have launched our first circular collection. These are clothes designed with the principles developed by the Ellen MacArthur Foundation. They're clothes which are designed to be recycled.

Less mixed fabric, less sort of buttons and zips and other things that hinder recyclability. We are taking all the design and buying teams through these principles. This is just the start. At the moment, we've got 30 products. We are much further ahead in using recycled or more sustainably sourced material in our existing goods. This time last year, we were up at 39% of products having sustainably sourced or recycled content to them, and now we're at half. We continue to expand the sustainable cotton program. It's the largest in the world in the fashion industry already. We're up to about 275,000 farmers trained in it.

Just as a reminder, it's been running now for 12 years. We're not sort of late into sustainable agriculture. We're expanding our program into Turkey. At the moment we're Bangladesh, Pakistan, India and China, Turkey next. During the half year, we published our first sustainability and ethics progress report. It's very comprehensive, and it's very straightforward, and honest. It's a serious document. Moving to some of the new stores, as I say, 13 in the period. I've illustrated Italy because it's such a great market for us now. I think we're only up to eight stores, so so much growth left in that market. France, here's a store in Saint-Étienne.

We were worrying at the back end of COVID that perhaps there had been damage done to our business in France. It turns out not to be the case. Eastern Europe is becoming increasingly interesting. This is our first store in Romania. We'll open our first store in Hungary in the next 12 months or so. Poland, sales densities are accelerating. It's really great. Czech Republic has bounced right back as well. I want to focus this time round on the American journey. Here are the three stores we opened in the first half, all in New York State. Jamaica Avenue, Roosevelt Field, which is the southern end of Long Island, and then City Point in Brooklyn. Very successful openings.

We're chasing our less affluent customer with stores which, as I say, 30,000-35,000 sq ft. They are really resonating with our consumers. We've opened 3 more stores. We've got 5 more to open in the second half. We've already got Buffalo opened. The first shopper in the queue on opening day was from across the border in Canada, and we think that there's going to be a nice trans border trade into that Buffalo store. We signed 2 new leases also in the period, second store in Florida and then New Jersey. We're accelerating the opening of stores in the southern states and for the first time, including Texas. Texas has a big Hispanic population.

It's a lower cost area to do business. It's the fastest growing state in the U.S. Whatever our prejudices might lead us to think, actually, they dress very similarly to how Americans dress in many of our other U.S. markets. To support that sudden growth, we're opening a second distribution center in Jacksonville, Florida, and there it is on the right-hand side. Finally, on Primark second half outlook. We're beginning to benefit from reduced sea freight costs and energy costs because of currency differences, the cost of boughten goods in the second half this year is higher than the same period last year. That'll offset some of the cost savings.

Much tougher like-for-like comparators in the second half, but we will see like-for-like growth. I think it's right that we remain cautious about consumer spending. Right. Let me then move onto food. Pricing of sugar is and the co-products in both our European and African markets are significantly higher than they were a year ago, and that's obviously to our advantage. We've paid significantly more for sugar beet, for cane, and particularly for energy. The higher volumes in Illovo are very welcome because we're supplying into growing markets, particularly Tanzania, Malawi, and Zambia.

We had about as difficult a growing season for the sugar beet crop in the UK last year and about as difficult a harvesting program campaign this year with particularly frozen beet and then rotting beet. I've got more to say at Vivergo at this stage and just acknowledge that we made a loss in that business in the first half. We only produced 750,000 tons of sugar. We would normally think that 1,000,000 tons was sort of our baseline. The sugar that we did produce was harder to extract from the beet. Actually, compared with the last difficult harvest, which was 2012, we were much better equipped to process frost-damaged beet than we were there.

Although we saw significantly higher gas costs, and just a reminder, we use a great deal of natural gas in our sugar operations, those were offsets to a considerable extent by the value of the electricity that we're selling from the combined heat and power plants through the same period. Spain, drought in the south of Spain reduced our crop there. We paid more for energy in that market too. In the first half, energy costs were greater than the sugar price increases. The second half, that will reverse. We've done a very good job on sugar pricing in the Spanish market, that'll come through in the second half.

In the second half in the UK, we will see the profit effects of us having to buy in sugar to supply customers. The margin in sugar in the UK will go down. China, very COVID affected. Turning to Illovo, where the profit has been significantly ahead. Improved sugar prices, not least because prepacked sugar, retail sugar, continues to grow and grow strongly. Increased production exactly where we wanted it in Malawi and Zambia. The South African sugar industry is going through a very difficult time. Two of our competitors are in their version of Chapter Eleven or receivership. We're not immune to the pressures that have caused them such distress. We've seen severe flooding in Mozambique, in our cane estates, cane estate there.

We grow sugar on a floodplain, and 2002, there was a flood. Just a few weeks ago, there was another one, which has wiped out the vast majority of the sugarcane that we're growing there. In some places, it was under 8 meters of water. We've taken a charge to reflect the writing off of the value of that sugarcane, in this first half year. The new Tanzania sugar plant is progressing. It will be out to sea it, in a couple of weeks' time. Vivergo. Right. We know how to run the plant. The plant runs well, at design capacity, and that's the first time I can say that with certainty, since we commissioned it in what? 2014. So that's great.

We opened it into a uniquely difficult time for the European ethanol industry with high energy costs, high wheat costs, and a bioethanol plant price across Europe that was affected by the import of a large amount of American and Brazilian ethanol. We couldn't have had a worse time to be opening. Negative margins, much greater negative margins than the industry has seen for a long, long time. We remain confident in the prospects for this business. The second half will be a whole lot better than the first half, we see no reason why this business shouldn't be sustainably profitable in the future. Turning to grocery. Last 18 months in grocery have been about cost recovery.

It's been really difficult because the cost increases have just kept on coming. You achieve what you negotiate your way to higher prices, and then you've got to start again and do whatever. The best news is that I think that process of chasing increasing costs has at least for now come to an end. We think that our pricing actions are largely done. Commodity prices can explode again, but for now, we're done with most of the pricing. We've recovered by and large the cash costs. We haven't recovered, maintained the margins that we were enjoying before the inflation kicked off. There's a job of work to be done to build margins back.

We'll start to see the beneficial effects of pricing on our margins, though, in the second half, including in bread. The performance of our U.S. businesses, both ACH and Stratas, and I'll come back to it, has been outstanding, and I'll call that out here. Really in response to recession and to people being more and more tempted by our own label, we've increased our brand investment. We think that in the long run, that's the right thing to do, even though the consumers are looking for value. Diving into different parts of the grocery businesses then. Twinings, Ovaltine. Revenues are well ahead. Marketing investment is well up. Here's an example of some advertising of the wellness ranges in London.

The wellness ranges keep on increasing in sales. That's very encouraging. Geographically, we saw particularly good performances in the US and in Australia. Also, a lot of price that we've had to take in Twinings. Ovaltine, though, has had a more difficult time. We've had strong performances in Switzerland and Brazil. Thailand's been very difficult, particularly on powder, and it's our biggest single Ovaltine market. Markets have been disrupted, obviously for very different reasons, in Myanmar and in China. China is coming back, and Myanmar is better than it than it had previously been. UK grocery, the sales increase was the consequence of pricing. Increased marketing investment, though, in the AB World Foods brand, so that's Patak's and Blue Dragon.

Jordans, Dorset, and Ryvita have all seen a great deal of commercial activity, both in terms of launching new products, but also in communications around them. Mazzetti similarly increase in marketing spend. Let me just show you the new Jordans.

Speaker 13

To make our Jordans Country Crisp so outrageously tasty, we start with nature's pick and mix. Our bakers take the humble oat, add a pinch of magic, and transform it into delicious light and crispy golden clusters, crafting very, very crunchy combinations. Jordans, tasty by nature.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

By nature. That tasty by nature is the new positioning of the Jordans brand. Turning then to Allied Bakeries, where we have secured significant pricing, which was absolutely justified. The trajectory of performance is encouraging. The second half, in particular, we will see the benefits of that pricing becoming evident. There's lots more to be done with the business. Compared with the dark times that followed the invasion of Ukraine and the increase in wheat and energy prices in particular, we're in a much, much better place. The stars of the show in grocery, ACH and Stratas, sadly a joint venture, but nonetheless, half of a good thing is still a good thing. Very strong trading performance in ACH.

Mazola is now firmly established as the number 1, as the leading branded vegetable oil in that market. Fleischmann's, our bakery ingredients business, has recovered really well from COVID, where it was out of stock for a long period. All the market share that we enjoyed before, which I thought we would take 2 or 3 years to recover if we ever recovered it, we've got back. Pricing actions to cover inflationary costs, again, really good. Stratas benefits from the US market, like many of the UK food markets, switching to own label oil, where it's the largest supplier by some way. Good volumes. Really good margin management in that business. Both businesses well ahead.

Australia, Tip Top traded well. It's had to cope with a very difficult wheat harvest. Difficult, more difficult to make bread in Australia than I can ever remember. The cost of doing that has been recovered well in the market, marketplace. We're rebuilding the Western Australian bakery. It's by some way the largest in Australia, and it's an important asset for us in the now and in the future. Don KRC, probably part of ABF that's had most trouble with most trouble filling all the jobs. We've had a year, 18 months of not having enough staff. That is easing as it does, we're able to produce more product. That's what we've been doing, and it's going quite well.

Ingredients has been great. AB Mauri in particular, where they have very successfully recovered cost inflation. They're the part of the group which is now benefiting from some reduction in those costs. They're holding on to margin, to some margin expansion in Mauri. The performance in Brazil in the wider bakery ingredients category has been very strong. Significant investment in new plant, first in capacity in Brazil and in India. As these two pictures show next, in specialty yeast production, there's a lot of yeast that's used in industry which isn't other than in industries other than bakery.

This is a plant in Hull, which is designed specifically to cater with the smaller volumes and closer product quality tolerances that some of these other industries require. On the right-hand side, a big investment in Brazil in the treatment of effluent. That's an effluent treatment plant, which gets us well ahead of the water standards required now in Brazil and the standards that we would anticipate coming into effect in the future. There's a big investment in Brazilian water. ABFI has had a good period too, with good sales and profit growth. We've reinvested the benefits of sales growth within the enzyme business by increasing spend in R&D and in sales coverage.

There's significant capital investment going on in a yeast extracts plant in Hamburg to increase the capacity and to increase the capability of that plant. Fytexia, which we bought, the phytonutrient business that we bought last year is performing well and certainly to our expectations when we bought it. Finally, agriculture. It's been a more difficult year, in absolute, you know, revenues are ahead. They're obviously gonna be ahead with high commodity prices. Frontier, the grain trading fertilizer joint venture we have, is trading very well. UK animal feed is difficult. The poultry, the chicken market is down on, I think, affordability for affordability reasons, and the pig market has been weak. Finally, the business in China.

Nice business we have in China, slower recovery of volumes since the pandemic, since restrictions, particularly on inter-provincial movement of goods has is taking longer to recover. I think we're there now. Here's a picture of one of our new investments in the food businesses, which is the Western Australian feed mill. This is a great asset. It is by some way, the largest scale producer in the West Australian monogastric market. It's commissioning very well. It is Western Australian market is a very well protected, one that's very well protected from by geography. We're now very strongly placed in that market with this new feed mill.

Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Moving on to the bit that Eoin's got to help deliver the full year outlook. We expect the operating profit to be modestly ahead at the final year. We expect ingredients to be well ahead, but to an extent that increase in profitability there will be offset by reduced profit in sugar. Grocery will be slightly ahead for the full year over the benefit of the pricing actions we've taken. Primark will be ahead of last year's second half. Margins for the full year will be similar to what we've seen in this first half, at 8.3%. Full year Adjusted Operating Profit and Earnings Per Share were broadly in line with last year.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

As I say, we expect to be there or there abouts for the full year. Summary of all this, much better first half performance than we anticipated last September. Keep on reminding myself of just how gloomy we were back in September. I now recognize, having celebrated that the wheels didn't completely fall off, that we need to move on from, well, we survived, to getting back to rebuilding margin and rebuilding and increasing profitability. You hear from the podium a big sigh of relief. The full year guidance is unchanged. Remind you of the, I think, significant decision to expand the footprint of Primark in the south of the States and particularly into Texas.

A reminder of that increased investment, both in Primark with the acceleration of the rollout, and also, the investment in loads of significant opportunities in food. Thank you very much. Over to you. What we'll do is, we'll go to Q&A, and we'll take questions, I think, first of all, from the room. We've got some people online. Those that are online, you're very welcome to ask questions. I think take people in the room first. If I can go with Warren Ackerman, please.

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Yeah, Warren Ackerman as well, please.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Before I ask a question, John, I just wanna say on behalf of all the analysts and investors, it's been an absolute pleasure working with you all these years. As one of your house brokers, we've had our ups and our downs. I'd hate to say more ups than downs. It's certainly been fun and educational. That's not just a Primark comment or an ABF comment. George, you've already said it. I mean, John, you're one of the good guys, and your passion for the business is undimmed, which I think is a rarity these days. I do think you'll be a great ambassador for Primark in your new role, and I'm sure your advice to the board will be much appreciated. Hopefully, it leaves you some time to explore your passions outside work, and that's not just a comment on wine.

To Irene, welcome to the role. ABF is a pretty unique company, unique culture. Of my early observations, I think you'll be quite well suited to it. You've got big shoes to fill, and I'm confident you will. The only caveat is that you'll need to first figure out John's unique style of guiding us. Billions mean. I mean, okay, in terms of a couple of questions, the first one is just on operating costs at Primark. Can you talk a little bit about margins, why margins in the second half will be only similar to the first half, and then what your thoughts on margins are into next year?

It'd be quite useful to sort of understand a little bit on some of the kind of moving parts around freight, cost and energy, any kind of numbers around any of those and when hedging rolls off. Help us do our little margin bridge that we always ask about.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

will be super useful. Then just secondly, on non-Primark, there's lots of moving pieces up and down. It'd be great to sort of understand a little bit what you're thinking about profits, John, on sugar, ingredients, and grocery. Seems to me that sugar profits are lower, but grocery and ingredients higher

Could you maybe just flesh that out a little bit for us for 2023 and how much of those ups and downs then flow into next year's 2024 numbers? It's quite a long-winded couple of questions, but thank you.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah. First of all, thanks for your few words at the beginning. Okay. Eoin, why don't you.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Well, I'll have a go to Primark, and you can be thinking about food and the remainder. I think the one thing that George mentioned in Primark, which it just has to be worked through, is the impact of the FX in the second half. I think people sort of, kind of forget around, you know, when we do our buying and so on. When we did our buying, sterling was particularly weak, if you recall. Actually we do get a more pronounced impact of FX into the second half than we actually even had in the first half. That actually is relevant as we look into next year as well, because actually there's no particular boon of FX into next year.

If you look at the blended rate overall for the whole financial year of FY 23, I mean, as spot stands today, it's pretty much stand on. Right? You're getting a bit of a weakness in the second half, as I say, into next year, you're not getting a huge sort of like, you know, huge benefit. In terms of the other moving parts, George talks about freight getting better. It is getting better and it is going back to sort of more normal levels of roughly around $2,000 a container. That's happening at the back end of our second half.

It's not we're not getting the full benefit of that in the second half, but it's happening through the half. Of course, we do get that benefit into next year, which is a benefit into next year. Then in terms of fabric costs, which is the other big moving part, prices have come back, and we do have to get a little bit less pronounced impact in the second half of the year. We do see hopefully a benefit out of it into next year. They're the, I would say, the big moving parts.

The reasons if the narrow question, you know, the primary reasons why sort of margins aren't kind of expanding into the second half is that kind of FX component, which you spoke about. I think that's it on Primark.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I think that's it. Yeah.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Let me start off with sugar. We never have enough sugar to sell when prices are high. That's why prices are high. We're sitting here with in some frustration, looking at the world market prices of $0.24-$0.25. If though we had a decent UK sugar crop going into next year and the energy prices stayed lower, and we weren't having to buy in very expensive sugar next year, we would have a much better year. The second half of this year, though, we will see profits lower because that's the time when the margins get squeezed by the need to supply customers with sugar that's been bought in.

We would hope that ingredients have a fair chance of holding onto the margins they're making at the moment, and maybe if some of the input costs came down, at least delaying the rate at which they pass them on. I think that's probably easier the further up the value chain you are. I think it'll be sort of a one-off effect into next year. Second half margins in or profitability in both yeast and specialty ingredients I think will be good again. Grocery, we'll see better margin in the second half than we've seen for the first half or I think probably even the second half of last year. We won't get not to the extent of getting back historic margins.

The 10% that John worked so hard to achieve over a 23-year period.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

That's exactly.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

is still a way off. Great. Thanks very much. Let's take the next question. Yeah. Georgina, go ahead. Thanks.

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Thank you. Excuse me. It's Georgina Jones. I'm from JP Morgan. Echoing words of thanks to John, of course, hopefully it goes without saying thank you. Two questions from me, please. Firstly, just in terms of pricing, I mean, as we sort of look ahead 12 months, 18 months in Primark, we'll be at a stage where hopefully, you know, freight costs have pretty much normalized. Hopefully, energy costs have normalized and indeed, hopefully we're back to a kind of quote-unquote "normal world." Yet obviously there will be some high single-digit, low double-digit pricing that cumulatively has gone through in the Primark business. How do you think about that on a midterm basis? Like, is that something that you would potentially give back to the consumer, or do you see that as like a structural step up in pricing?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I mean, we will always price as we need to price to remain the most competitive clothing retailer. How do I think about it? Well, the pricing actions we took didn't recover all the cost inflation. We've got some way to go with some of these lower costs simply to fill the bucket back where we emptied it. Some of the cost increases that we've seen, particularly labor, are with us to stay. Although energy is well off the peaks, it's still significantly higher than where it came from. With the combination of some following wind and if currency moves for us again and we keep seeing these volume, these footfall increases, those are the moving parts that move us back to double digit margins.

I don't want people to race ahead of themselves and think that it's the second half of the second half or the first half of next year. I think that's all very unlikely. You know, very, very unlikely.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

It's moving in the right direction, yeah.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Speaker 11

My second one was just on the Click and Collect trial.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Speaker 11

I was wondering if you could share any more metrics around that, please. For example, in the stores where, you know, the trial is in place.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah

Speaker 11

What sort of like-for-like uptick you've seen versus the rest of...

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Okay

Speaker 11

UK stores and indeed, anything that you can share on, like, incremental margin dilution from the costs associated.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah. One of the reasons we're expanding the trial to another 32 stores is we don't have a big enough data set to really dig into the margin, the margin point. We wouldn't expect just on one category with kids wear that we would see much increase in footfall. It's too early to see that. There's been so much noise as well around with good footfall anyway, that disentangling it all is quite frankly not possible. What we've seen though is higher than expected basket sizes, which is a driver of cost of transaction, and higher than expected pickup baskets when people are in stores. Which again, so talks to incrementality. Maybe because it's kids wear, but we'd modeled for the fact that it was kids wear.

We're seeing lower returns than we have. Those profitability metrics or drivers are all encouraging. Too early, too small a data set, to be able to tell you much more...

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

With any degree of precision.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks. Thanks, Georgina.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Could we take Warren Ackerman, please? We circle round.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Morning. Warren Ackerman from BNP Paribas Exane. 2 questions, please. The first is on pricing actually as well. Could you just talk about when you have or need to make a decision about Autumn/Winter pricing and what your initial thoughts are for that season, into next year, please? Secondly, George, you mentioned that the new stores.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

That you've opened this half have delivered better sales densities than the existing estate.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Mm-hmm.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Could you just talk about why you think that's the case? Is that purely geographic mix or something about the format, et cetera?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I on that point first, and I might move the pricing one on.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

On to me colleagues. On those stores, I think it's both. It's Italy, in particular, and then it's the smaller stores.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Yeah

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

in the Americas and elsewhere. It is mixed. If you go back a few years, new stores were heavily skewed towards countries like Germany, Finland, the U.K., et cetera. It's a bit of a better mix. On pricing through the rest of the.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

If I could just add one small point to what George has said about the new stores. I think it is that reminder, I think, we've got to keep it at the front of our mind. It's the white space for opportunities that still Primark has got.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Mm.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

you know, when you look at these stores opening in Italy, they are welcoming a Primark to the area for the first time. Even in Bucharest, you know.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

In Romania, that was the case. I think it's that reminder. It is we're not just filling in lots of ever smaller spaces. There's a lot of white space that we're going after, and I think that is a good reflection.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I think one other thing that it points to is it's how well the brand is known in these European markets.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yes, it's that. Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

You know, you get to really good sales densities on day one.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

You wanted to.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Do you want to go? I'm fine.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Well, I mean, I think the pricing, most of the pricing decisions for autumn winter, they're already locked in to a certain extent. We'll see a little bit of continuation of pricing into autumn winter. I think it's more spring/summer is where you'll start to get the kind of really the stability, I would say. Yeah.

Warren Ackerman
Managing Director and Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

That would be less than mid-single digit then. Is that fair?

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah, I think so. In total portfolio?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Lower amount, smaller proportion of the range.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

It's way more limited than people may have thought at that kind of point.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Martin Dolan. Come on, let's hope for Martin over here. Sorry to say it. Yeah, thanks.

Martin Dolan
Head of Research, Davy

Morning. Martin Dolan from Davy. A couple of questions on the US, if I can. What gives you the confidence really behind the expansion of the rollout in the South? Is that customer feedback? Is it read across from Florida or other stores?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Martin Dolan
Head of Research, Davy

Is it just store stability given that the market's probably better for property there? On the U.S., given what you said about the new store openings on the smaller groups on the right-sizing, where are U.S. sales densities now versus U.S. group, or sorry, versus group average? Are we now getting U.S. up towards the group average?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah. I mean, basically, we're pretty close to group average.

Martin Dolan
Head of Research, Davy

Yeah

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

With U.S. store densities. Why, what, why the rollout in, and particularly in the South? I think that the first Florida store has shown us that we're relevant in that market. Now that store, Sawgrass, has two distinct customer bases. The first one is a tourist, but the second one is local, less affluent Hispanic. That's one of the customer segments that we think we appeal to in particular. The, what in ACH terminology we call this, well, in I think the Smile region.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

You know, Texas is a big part of that. The South, the Southeast is a big part of it. Of course, New York is the other big part. The success in New York, I think also, has read across into the south. It's attractive that the store build costs and the store opening costs are lower, but the model works perfectly well in the Northeast too. Yeah, no, it's confidence that we've got a customer base, we've got a model, we've got an increasingly stable team. It's been time for a while to put our foot down on the accelerator.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks, Martin. We'll go with Adam Cochrane in the middle, please. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Thank you.

Adam Cochrane
General Retail and Luxury Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thanks. It's Adam Cochrane, Deutsche Bank. On the U.S., obviously with the increase in store openings, what are the pre-opening costs? What's the drag on profitability as you're opening three, four, five, eight stores a year, what does that mean for the trajectory of profits in the U.S.?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Mm-hmm.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

There you go. Yeah.

Adam Cochrane
General Retail and Luxury Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

One on slightly shorter term. There's been a lot of talk about the weather in the UK being quite wet. You talked about spring, summer. I can't remember your phrase exactly. Encouraging or respectable or something. Has that been varied by region quite a lot? Can we, you know, is it possible just to give us a little bit of a flavor for how that current trading is evolving within your positive outlook of like-for-likes for the second half?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Okay. If I can answer that first one and then pass on to . The weather in the UK and particularly UK and Ireland has been shocking. Given that, we could be really encouraged by the sales levels in those two markets, those two bigger markets. I said that with more confidence a week ago, 'cause last week was particularly shocking and sales were hit by more than we've been seeing previously. In Spain and Portugal, we are well ahead. Well ahead. That's built the confidence in the spring, summer ranges.

Until we actually see the weather turn, we won't know whether that confidence is misplaced or is particularly, a particularly Iberian thing.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

We still could do with the sun shining in the U.K.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Definitely.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I think we all could. Yeah, look, it will be a bit of a drag, particularly as you're kind of building scale in the U.S., you know, the impact of having a store unoccupied, at least on the overall portfolio is gonna be a drag while, you know, particularly when a smaller number of stores. You know, but I don't think that's hugely relevant to the overall kind of group performance. You know, it's more when we look at the U.S., we've got to take, kind of take that out when we look at the underlying profitability. But it will be a drag for a number of years because it's an expansionary marketplace for us.

The other place which is a drag on profitability is supply chain and the cost of distribution, which at the moment is relatively manual and expensive. That's something that in time we will want to invest in behind. They'd be the two kind of big drags on profitability.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Adam Cochrane
General Retail and Luxury Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

If we think about the EBIT margin basis point drag from the US, obviously as the US is getting a bigger sales base.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah

Adam Cochrane
General Retail and Luxury Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

The drag on EBIT margins could be worth calling out at some stage just to help us see what the rest of the business looks like and how the US-...

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes. Yeah. It's not material right now. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

17 stores out of 400.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Well, of course. I mean, actually we'd want to because we want to demonstrate the underlying performance.

Adam Cochrane
General Retail and Luxury Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes. Yes.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Okay, great. Let's go Richard Chamberlain over here. Thank you.

Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Morning. Yes. Richard Chamberlain, RBC. Can I ask a couple on Germany please, for Primark? I just wondered what traction you're getting now with the Primark Cares campaign, how that's going in the German market. It sounds like you still think a lot of the issues there are more sort of locational, but I just wondered how the brand perception is changing and also in Germany, how the upgraded digital offer is being

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah

Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Received and whether that's sort of helping densities there as well.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes. The upgraded digital offer is very new. It's sort of a fortnight-

Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Ago. We know our customers will appreciate it. I don't want to get into national stereotypes, they'll appreciate it, and they told us that they want it. We know we've got work to do on the brand. I think it's not only private Primark Cares that will resonate, although Germans by nature are pretty skeptical about claims that companies make about their ESG achievements. I think some of the new higher priced products will resonate well in Germany. Better fabrics in particular will work for us. Yeah, it's all in the mix. Brand will recover most, I think, because of changes in perception on product.

Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Mm-hmm. Are you moving more towards a sort of more localized approach as well in Germany in terms of marketing?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes. Yes.

Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Is that helping?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes.

Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes. German media is very, is very local. There's work that we're doing on making sure that we've got the assortment right by each trading location. They're quite different.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Mm-hmm.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

At the moment, well, they should be quite different. At the moment, they're insufficiently different. That's in the mix too.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Okay. Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Thanks very much. Okay, it's Nick, is it? It's Nick Coulter. Okay. Nick Coulter. Thanks.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

Thank you. Nick Coulter from Citigroup, if I may, please. First, could I just press on the double-digit margin target for Primark? If it's possible to what timeframe should we think about for that recovery? Is that kind of medium term?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

It'd be great to kind of get some sort of long stop or trajectory for that double digits.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Well, I think.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

Aspiration.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I think we probably wouldn't have put it in if we didn't think it was medium term, right? Then you'll ask me, what does medium term mean? I think, look, it's, the, you know, when we look into, well, the second half of this year and into next year, you know, there's, there's enough confidence to give me in terms of the easing of the cost of goods, particularly the easing of cost of goods and how the business has held up. Like, you shouldn't just kind of ignore that, we're on the right trajectory. As I was saying to a few people, you know, early on, we're not out of the woods yet, right?

You know, you've still got a, you know, a lot cost of ingredients that are still higher than obviously previous to the spikes effect and so on. We're still not out of the woods, and we're gonna be remain to be a little bit cautious about that trajectory and where that and how that comes. Certainly, it's moving in the right direction. We wouldn't have said we've got the confidence to get back there, if we didn't think it was medium term, you know.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

Great. That's helpful.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

Apologies, another, crystal ball question.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yes. Okay.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

Noting your comments on grocery, pricing, it feels like you're kind of going over the top, so to speak. When do you think you might get into a position of kind of year-over-year, volume, increases for grocery? Is that 6 months, 1 year, 18 months? What's the rough thought process?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

On cost recovery, we haven't gone over the top.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

We've, in most places got the carry cost back. There is, you know, consumers are looking, obviously looking for value, and their own label is growing. Discounter sales are growing, in both Twinings and Mazzetti, so premium brands in their category. We have to work harder to persuade people that it's worth spending those sorts of money on. I think volume growth in most of the categories is quite an ambitious thing to be hoping for in the next until consumer sentiment changes.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

You're talking like a 12 months trajectory basically?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I would imagine so, yeah.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

That's the reason why we're getting on the front foot in a lot of the brands on the marketing side of things.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

You know, in terms of repositioning the brands as you kind of exit, this period.

Nick Coulter
Director of Equity Research, Citigroup

Understood. Very helpful. Thank you.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Okay.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Good. Thanks, Nick. Should we take anyone? Samuel here at the front. Oh, come on.

Speaker 10

Just a few quick ones. Firstly, just on the sugar crop, when will you have confidence that farmers will plant this year, given the horror show of last year? On Eastern Europe, you've been there, what? Three years now. I know going in you had some caution around pricing range and costs.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yep.

Speaker 10

What have you learned so far that kind of gives you confidence in the rollout? If you can give us an update on the self-checkout trial, given the comments that you made about labor being structurally more expensive?

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah. Okay. Sugar, I am told as of yesterday, that about 70% of the acreage, which we expected to be grown this year is now in the ground. We still have some of the heavy land in East Anglia is still to be sown, but we think it will be. Last year, we didn't have a problem getting crops sown. It was everything that happened thereafter. You know, a combination, drought, flood, disease, you name it, the poor old farmer endured it. As I say, we had frost, which stopped the growing and actually the damage was exacerbated by the disease that we'd suffered at the end of the summer, which was probably the consequence of the drought and so on and so forth.

It's gonna be better this year, isn't it?

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

East, Eastern Europe.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Eastern Europe. Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Eastern Europe. It's some and some. I mean, very different. The center of Prague is a very different market from Krakow. Poland in particular is very price competitive. We would expect that. We knew that. We're getting footfall, and we're getting sales volumes increasing well. The ranges that sell are... There's nothing particular to call out for on different differences there.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Self-checkout.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Self-checkout. Yes. Thanks very much.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Go on.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

I mean, it's going fine on self-checkout. I mean, the returns are stack up. As you can imagine, they would do in a high labor environment. We'll be continuing to invest in self-checkout across the network. I still think there's work to be done across the board on the customer experience, but that's we'll keep an eye on that.

Speaker 10

Thanks.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

As we open new stores in the States, they're all opening with self-checkout.

Eoin Tonge
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Self-checkout. Yeah.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

Right. Okay. I've overlooked you, Anne. Come along. Anne Critchlow, please.

Anne Critchlow
Senior Analyst for General Retail, Société Générale

Anne Critchlow from Société Générale. Two questions on Click and Collect, please. I know it's early days.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Anne Critchlow
Senior Analyst for General Retail, Société Générale

Are you finding that customers around the smaller stores are particularly appreciating it? I think you're going to offer them four times the range.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Yeah.

Anne Critchlow
Senior Analyst for General Retail, Société Générale

Secondly, if you could just comment on add-on purchases, whether it's met your expectations.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Add-on purchases have more than met our expectation, so that's great. There seems to be no correlation that we can determine so far on those 25 stores between store size, store location, whatever, and attractiveness of Click and Collect.

Anne Critchlow
Senior Analyst for General Retail, Société Générale

Thank you.

John Bason
Finance Director, Associated British Foods

It is what it is. Okay. Thank you. I think we may just. Right. Great. Okay. We don't have anybody online wanting to ask a question. I think if there aren't any more questions, thank you very much for your time today. Very good.

George Weston
CEO, Associated British Foods

Thank you.

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