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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Oct 14, 2020

Operator

Morning, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this Bunzl quarter three trading update. Can I just remind you that this call is being recorded. During the call, all participants will be in listen-only mode, and afterwards, there will be an opportunity for questions and answers. I'd now like to hand you over to Bunzl's CEO, Frank van Zanten. Please begin your presentation.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Good morning. Thank you for joining us to discuss our third quarter results. We do not normally hold a conference call at this point in the year. Given the circumstances, we thought it would be helpful to do so. I will therefore briefly talk through performance over the third quarter and the outlook before opening to Q&A. I'm very pleased to report that Bunzl's diversified and resilient business model has driven strong growth over a challenging period. Group revenue for the third quarter was up 4% at actual exchange rates and 8.8% at constant exchange rates. The third quarter had fewer trading days than the equivalent period in 2019, which reduced revenue growth at constant exchange rates by 3.2%. This will reverse in the fourth quarter, with the full year only benefiting from the one extra day relating to the leap year.

Acquisitions contributed 4% growth in the quarter at constant exchange rates, benefiting in part from the acquisition of MCR Safety, which completed at the beginning of September. Underlying revenue, which excludes acquisitions and adjusts for comparable trading days, increased strongly by 8% over the quarter at constant exchange rates. Within this, sales of the top eight COVID-19 related products such as masks, gloves, and hand sanitizers contributed 17.5% growth. This was partially offset by a 9.5% revenue decline from other product sales. Within the top eight COVID-19 related products, larger orders contributed around 40% of the growth, and whilst on an absolute basis were lower than in the second quarter, the orders were in line with our expectations. Smaller COVID-19 related orders, whilst lower than in the second quarter, remained strong. These COVID-19 related products continued to be primarily own brands.

The 9.5% decline from other product sales was less than the second quarter and reflected the easing of pandemic-related restrictions across our markets. Turning now to the outlook. The 2020 performance year to date has been driven by strong sales of COVID-19 related products from a combination of smaller orders and the more exceptional larger orders. This has more than offset the impact of weak economic activity on the group's business. Looking forward, the outlook remains uncertain, particularly considering current pandemic trends and the increasing restrictions which are now being reintroduced in some markets that may limit the continued underlying recovery. In addition, larger COVID-19 related orders are expected to be more limited.

However, given the performance year to date and the impact of recently announced acquisitions, the company currently expects revenue in the second half of 2020 to grow strongly at constant exchange rates and anticipates a slightly higher second half operating profit margin compared to the prior year. Before we turn to Q&A, I would like to highlight the continued success we have had with our acquisition strategy. In addition to recently completing MCR Safety at the end of September, we completed the acquisition of Abco Kovex, a distributor of flexible packaging based in Ireland with revenue of EUR 23 million. The acquisition pipeline remains promising and are ongoing discussions. Richard and I are now happy to take any questions.

Operator

Lovely. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you now wish to ask a question, can you please press star two on your telephone keypad? That's star two on your telephone keypad. There will be a brief pause while questions are being registered. Lovely. We'll take our first question from Will Kirkness of Jefferies. Will, your line's open. Please go ahead.

Will Kirkness
Analyst, Jefferies

Thanks very much. Just a couple of questions. Firstly, in regard to M&A, I think you were more upbeat at the interim stage about that. Just wondered how sort of conversations are progressing and whether the messaging is changed there? Secondly, wonder whether you're seeing any, perhaps customer growth that's new that might be more sticky kind of on an underlying basis? Thanks very much.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Okay. Yeah, what I indicated at sort of the half year is certainly what we see in the early stages of the sort of deal, capturing sort of the pipeline management. We have seen increased interest in selling businesses. That is also early days. It's also not an easy period to sort of value the sustainable earnings going forward. Obviously, areas like food service and retail now are a bit more difficult to estimate where that's all going to land. Certainly, what I hinted at at the half year, not only in the Bunzl sectors, but I believe in general, consolidation in markets will happen. Obviously Bunzl is the real consolidator in our sector.

I expect certainly in the next couple of years to see stronger interest in selling people's businesses, because it has been really a painful exercise and experience for people certainly who were running businesses that were more focused on a particular vertical like hospitality or airlines or retail. In terms of the customer growth, I would say still a large part of the additional sales is being done through our existing business. Certainly earlier in the second quarter, we've seen more sort of government larger orders happening also. These we see a bit like new customers, but these have a bit more of a sort of one-off exceptional effect. Mostly around existing customers. Certainly we're using the opportunity also to build new relationships in areas where our competition has difficulty to get their hands on certain imported items from Asia.

Will Kirkness
Analyst, Jefferies

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take a question from Andy Grobler from Credit Suisse. Andy, your line's open. Please go ahead.

Andy Grobler
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hi. Good morning. Two from me as well, if I may. Could you just talk us through some of the regional variations, in terms of growth rates through the quarter? Kind of on a similar theme, also end markets, is it still areas like safety that are really driving that additional growth? Thank you very much.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

You want to take this, Richard?

Richard Howes
CFO, Bunzl

Yeah, Andy, morning. Regionally, much like we had in Q2, I think that it's more to do with the end sector split regionally that's driving the performance. Those markets which do have a retail and a food service component or a higher component relative to their size, will have seen a better performance in Q3 because those two sectors in particular were very much locked down in Q2. They were more reopened in Q3. That will drive most of the regional market changes. If I look at the end markets, looking at Q3 on Q2, we have seen a recovery in the base business, what we call the other product sales, that's gone from, say, low mid-20s down in Q2 to the 9.5% down in Q3. That's come from most of the sectors.

The base business improvement has come from most of the sectors, as I say, particularly food service and retail, but also we've seen improvements in grocery and in the underlying safety business as well. It's been relatively broad-based on an end market level. If we look at the large orders and the smaller orders, COVID orders, yes, they're predominantly coming from our safety and our healthcare businesses.

Andy Grobler
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you. Can I ask one follow-up? At the half year, you had taken a provision, I think for GBP 20 million for potential bad debts in the second half. Given performance has remained or has been so strong to date, is that still likely to be taken?

Richard Howes
CFO, Bunzl

I think the premise for that provisioning at the half year was that we were expecting government support to be withdrawn in the second half, in line with what governments were saying at the time. That is different, Andy Grobler. We're seeing some governments in some countries continuing support. In other countries, like here in the U.K., for example, it's been not fully withdrawn but diluted down from where it was. We haven't seen any material bankruptcies in, I would say, August and September. We need to keep an eye on it, and we will continue to keep an eye on it as we go through Q4 and up to the year-end. The question is whether or not as that support being kept in place, does that make this something for 2021 rather than 2020?

We'll have to keep an eye on that as we go through the back end of this year.

Andy Grobler
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. That makes sense.

Operator

Lovely. Thank you. Our next question will go to the line of Annelies Vermeulen from Morgan Stanley. Annelies, your line's open. Please go ahead.

Annelies Vermeulen
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you, good morning. A couple of questions from me as well, please. Regarding the margin and pricing of those COVID-19 related products, given there is arguably a better supply-demand balance now of many of those products relative to Q2, have you seen prices begin to come down? How does that factor into your expectation of a higher margin in the second half. Secondly, also related to M&A, given the upcoming election in the U.S. and the potential changes to capital gains tax, are you seeing an increase in businesses approaching you who are perhaps looking to sell more rapidly than before in order to avoid potentially higher capital gains tax charges? That's it. Thank you.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Yeah. Let me take the first one. There's no question that the pricing of some of these COVID items now compared to the second quarter are lower. I think they're still at a good level compared to previous years. Now how it links into the sort of guidance in terms of higher margin second half, simply relates to mix and the fact that these COVID items are imported own brand products that come with higher margins. Maybe Richard, you can deal with the capital gain.

Richard Howes
CFO, Bunzl

Yeah. Annelies, as Frank said earlier, we're continuing to see a lot of inbound and there's a lot of interest. The activity that we kicked off last year that we delivered in the first half of this year, and continued on at our half year statement means there is good activity on the M&A side. We, of course, did do a big acquisition in North America and announced it at half year. That has been done. We wouldn't specifically say any of what we're seeing is linked directly to capital gains tax in the U.S. It's not something that would be clear to us. Overall, the levels of activity are good and hopefully we've got more to come in the second half.

Annelies Vermeulen
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

That's very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Lovely. Thank you. We'll now take a question from Rajesh Kumar of HSBC. Rajesh, your line's open. Please go ahead. Have we got Rajesh there from HSBC? It might be that your line's on mute, your end.

Rajesh Kumar
Analyst, HSBC

Hi. Morning. Sorry, my line was on mute. Thanks for taking the question. Two, if I may. On the decline in the core business, could you talk us through how your discussions with the suppliers on the cost price and rebate accrual is progressing? Also second, could you give us some color on if you've seen any pattern changes in Q3 with respect to the core business in terms of geographies affected? Which sectors have declined more or less since Q2?

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Okay. In terms of discussions with suppliers, I think most of our rebate schemes with suppliers are like a fixed percentage, we don't tend to have these schemes where you fall off a big cliff if you don't hit a certain level. We've done that a bit more, I think, intelligently in the past. It does mean that if you buy less this year on certain items, that you may get less rebates. Obviously, our financial team around the world, they're obviously on top of it. I also know that the general managers are trying to change some of these schemes where possible. Yeah, in general, if you buy less, you get a bit less rebate. All these things are being factored in our monthly reporting and are in the numbers. Yeah.

I think in terms of the sector and geography shift, I think Richard already touched on that. We've seen basically in all sectors improvements in food service because of the reopening in the third quarter. It improved quite a lot, still well down on last year. The same in retail. Yeah, excluding the COVID orders, safety also improved quite a bit. We've seen quite significant improvements, better than we expected at the half year. That's also the reason why we're coming out now with improved guidance and better numbers. It still remains an uncertain period. I'm now in the Netherlands, for instance, and last night there's been sort of a mini lockdown announced where all restaurants and hotels close and buying at night in shops is closing. We seem to be going back to a more closed situation.

I don't think as bad as in Q2, but certainly the shift may change a bit more toward a closed economy. That makes it so hard to predict going forward how's the mix going to be in terms of underlying business and continued COVID-19 demand.

Rajesh Kumar
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you

Operator

Lovely. Thank you. Before we go to the next question, can I just remind anybody still wishing to ask a question or to come back with a follow-up question, please press star two on your telephone keypad. That's star two on your telephone keypad. We'll now take a question from Sylvia Barker of J.P. Morgan. Sylvia, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Sylvia Barker
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay. Good morning, everyone. Could I just ask a couple? On the small orders for COVID-19 products, the top eight COVID-19 products, could I just check, how much of that is linked to your HoReCa clients or your food service and retail clients reopening, i.e., as we're seeing markets reopen or close again, to what extent is that a double whammy, I guess, on the underlying business and on the small orders? Then maybe as we think into next year, if we just think about the clients that you have on the COVID-19 side, on the top COVID-19 products. I think you mentioned previously that initially you were mainly supplying existing clients, obviously outside of some of the governments that were purchasing as well. Have you been adding new clients to that portfolio?

Do you think that you will actually have a much wider client base in that space, going into 2021, where maybe, if we think about the first quarter at least, when you didn't have any PPE help, perhaps, will have benefits which you might not have seen previously, just from winning these new clients. Thank you.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Yeah. I think the small orders are basically something that's happening in all the sectors, and I think it's strongly related to the reopening of the economies in the third quarter. We've seen it in food service, we've seen it in retail. We helped our customers to get their people safe and get ready for the reopening. That's purely a factor of reopening and in a way, a double whammy, because obviously the decline is lower than in the second quarter. Also, we got some support from selling some additional products in this area. I think that the large government orders is something you need to treat as a bit of a one-off Q2 sort of feeding into Q3. May we get some big orders? Maybe we will, but not to the extent of the second quarter.

We've seen the third quarter come down in terms of big orders, and certainly we expect that to go down further in the fourth quarter. Now, does that mean that governments can't stand up again and say, "Listen, this looks like a real second wave, and we need to talk and sort of further build our strategic stocks"? It's possible, but we don't have indications now that people are looking to build these significant stock levels like they did in Q2 from governments.

Sylvia Barker
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thanks, Frank. Just outside of governments, have you expanded your client list on the safety and cleaning and hygiene side? Have you been adding a lot more corporates to your client list just off the back of COVID?

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

We have added some. I think the vast majority is still with existing customers, because a lot of these items are relatively scarce still, not easy to get. Like certain gloves areas are still very tough to get. Obviously you try to help your ongoing customers first.

Sylvia Barker
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Kate Somerville of UBS. Kate, your line's open. Please go ahead.

Kate Somerville
Analyst, UBS

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just firstly on the growth rates in the quarter. Are you able to give any color around the run rate through the three months of the quarter, whether those growth rates are relatively consistent? Also in terms of the COVID orders, have you managed to maintain the margin that you earned in Q2? Is there a difference between the larger orders and the smaller orders in terms of that margin? Thanks.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

You'll take that, Richard? Hello?

Richard Howes
CFO, Bunzl

Kate. In terms of growth rates within the quarter, I think all we would say is that the larger orders have tailed off through the quarter, which is what we would have expected. I think generally, August and September were better trading months than we had originally expected as well. I'll leave it at that rather than going into anything more on intra-quarter growth. Look, margins, we're not giving any view on margins for Q3, but clearly within what we're saying, we're saying that the quarter has got more large orders than Q4 will have. There is a degree of operational leverage which goes with the larger orders. We are a business which order size is important for our overall business and profitability.

There's more of that in Q3 than we would expect to see in Q4. The base business in Q4 in particular, as Frank has said, we are cautious about the effect of these lockdowns on Q4, and there would be a corresponding margin effect.

Kate Somerville
Analyst, UBS

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from James Rose of Barclays. James, your line is open. Please go ahead.

James Rose
Analyst, Barclays

Hi, good morning. Just a question on Q4 and the base business. Do you think the mini lockdowns we're seeing are enough to disrupt the continuous sequential improvement from Q3- Q4?

Richard Howes
CFO, Bunzl

Frank, shall I take this one?

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Yeah.

Richard Howes
CFO, Bunzl

James, I think it's fair to assume. If we think about Q3, the 9.5% down, which is obviously sizeable, that is an improvement on Q2, but of course, in Q3, it was a Northern Hemisphere summer, people coming out of lockdowns, more activity than clearly in Q2. I don't think we should expect a Q4 where there are more lockdowns, albeit perhaps less than Q2, necessarily meaning that there's going to be the same level of activity as Q3. I think it's fair to assume that it would be some way off where we are in Q3.

James Rose
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Gerry Hennigan of Goodbody. Gerry, your line's open. Please go ahead. Can I just check, Gerry, would you like to ask a question? Your line's open. I don't know if you're on mute. Unfortunately, we can't hear you.

Gerry Hennigan
Analyst, Goodbody

Sorry. Yeah. Can you hear me now?

Operator

Yes. Please go ahead and ask your question.

Gerry Hennigan
Analyst, Goodbody

Okay. Prior caution seemed to center around an inventory unwind as COVID-related products, demand for COVID-related products unwind, basically. What's your current expectations in terms of an unwind in terms of stock or inventory going forward here, given where you currently are in the pandemic?

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Sorry, I couldn't hear the question. Richard, do you want to take it?

Gerry Hennigan
Analyst, Goodbody

Sorry. Your prior caution seemed to center around an inventory unwind. What's your current expectations with regard to that unwind happening?

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Okay. Yeah. Well, certainly, I can talk about one specific situation, which is in the Netherlands, where we have a sizable order from the government, and they update their stock levels on these items, and they indicate they have no issues in terms of stock going forward. Now, how that's going to change if things really get in a much worse state than it is today, obviously, more products are going to be used. We don't have indication that people are planning to make these big new orders and adding to the safety stock.

Gerry Hennigan
Analyst, Goodbody

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Lovely. Thank you. Before we take our next question, can I remind anybody who still would like to ask a question or would like to come back with a follow-up question to please press star two on your telephone keypad. We'll now take a question from Sam Dindol of Stifel. Sam, your line's open. Please go ahead.

Sam Dindol
Analyst, Stifel

Morning, guys. A couple from me. Firstly, are you able to say what the gross margin differential is between the top eight products and the rest of the product set year to date? Secondly, would it be fair to assume the own brand percentage of products is still sort of in the mid-twenties and trending up? Thanks.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

I don't think we give any more visibility on gross margins, but it's fair to say that if we talk about own brand imported items, then there's clearly a difference in margin, and has always been. That also explains some of the mix movement and why the margins are a bit higher.

Richard Howes
CFO, Bunzl

Sam, on the own brand side, we typically have been around 20%, and I think the half year we mentioned it was higher than that. I think we should assume that continues to be high for the rest of this year. Going into a more, let's say, next year is a more normalized period, then I think we should expect to move back more towards 20%.

Sam Dindol
Analyst, Stifel

Thanks.

Operator

Lovely. That was our final question and concludes today's call. I'd like to pass the call back to Frank for any closing comments.

Frank van Zanten
CEO, Bunzl

Yeah. Thank you all for joining this call this morning. I would say stay safe and have a great day. Thank you very much.

Operator

This now concludes today's call. You may disconnect your lines.