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Status Update

Jun 1, 2023

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Welcome, thank you for all attending our session here and on the webcast. I am Debra Crew, Chief Operating Officer at Diageo, I'm delighted to be here today to have the chance to introduce myself to many of you who may not know me yet. First, here are our regulatory statements. Very easy to read. A bit about me. I have spent my career working in the consumer products industry. I was President and CEO of Reynolds American, before that, had roles at PepsiCo, Kraft, Nestlé, and Mars. I joined the board of Diageo four years ago, serving as a non-executive director, was truly impressed by what I saw. When Ivan, our current CEO, offered me the opportunity to become more involved in the company, I jumped at it.

I became President of Diageo's North American business in July 2020, assumed the role of Chief Operating Officer last October. In recent weeks, I've been enjoying a CEO transition experience, continuing to immerse myself in the business across our regions, our supply chain, customers, and key stakeholders worldwide. It's deepened my understanding of what, in my opinion, makes Diageo one of the best brand builders in the world. As I meet Diageo team members across the globe, I'm both humbled and proud to lead such a talented and dedicated group of people who have delivered throughout a challenging operating environment over the past three years. They give me valuable advice. Along the way, I've tasted a couple of our products for the first time, including Buchanan's Piña, and Johnnie Walker Umami, which I highly recommend.

Both are in the category that is the focus of today's conversation and presentation, Scotch, which is at the heart of our business. For those unfamiliar with our company, Diageo is a global leader in beverage alcohol, with over 200 brands, including Johnnie Walker and Guinness. We sell our products in more than 180 countries, and we're proud of our progress against our performance ambition, which you see on the screen. Our business is 36% bigger than it was pre-COVID. That's a four-year organic net sales CAGR of 8%. Here's why we're confident in our ability to deliver quality, sustainable, long-term growth. Our industry, total beverage alcohol, or TBA, as we call it, is large, around $1.2 trillion globally, and it's growing.

Favorable market demographics and strong premiumization trends are driving that growth. I believe within TBA, we have the best assets, plus an advantage portfolio and geographic footprint. Today, I will discuss our leadership position and performance in our largest category, Scotch. We live in exciting times for the Scotch whisky category. It is large and growing ahead of TBA. Over the next hour, you will also hear from Cristina Diezhandino, our Chief Marketing Officer, about how we are recruiting consumers into Scotch and driving new occasions as the consumer landscape is rapidly changing. That's exciting because when you have an extensive and differentiated portfolio of brands that Diageo has, there are many opportunities to go after.

Alvaro Cardenas, our Regional President for Latin America, will bring to life how our growth algorithm is driving our Scotch performance in Latin America, where we recruit from TBA and specifically, premium beer. Throughout this discussion, you will also see how our Scotch brands are helping create a more sustainable world. Finally, along with Lavanya Chandrashekar, our Chief Financial Officer, we will take questions from those of you who are here in person. First, I will start with the hot-off-the-press IWSR data for calendar year 2022. International spirits continue to accelerate in total beverage alcohol, and while international whisky and Scotch are both thriving, it was a fantastic year for Diageo Scotch. We gained 121 basis points of international whisky share, and Johnnie Walker, our iconic Scotch whisky brand, extended its lead in international spirits by 34 basis points. More on that later.

First, let's back up and look at the category. Scotch is the second-largest international spirits category, delivering 14% of the total spirits category value. Scotch has grown ahead of TBA, supported by strong premiumization trends. The category has emerged stronger from the pandemic, and is forecasted to continue growing at +6% CAGR. This growth is underpinned by the category broadening its consumer base as it recruits the next generation of Scotch consumers. People are continuing to love the flavors, craftsmanship, and aspirational experience of drinking Scotch. Every region makes a meaningful contribution to Scotch sales, and its geographic footprint is balanced across emerging and developed markets. This is in comparison to other spirit categories, which are more geographically concentrated. Think gin in Europe or tequila in North America.

Scotch is the most premium international spirits category, with premium plus Scotch worth $21 billion annually. That's $7 billion bigger than the next biggest category, cognac. Let's look at Diageo's portfolio. Scotch is Diageo's largest category, representing almost 25% of our total net sales in fiscal 2022, and more than GBP 3.7 billion in net sales. Our Scotch business has grown at a 9% value CAGR in the last four years, with volume growing at 4% CAGR. This is very impressive in a category of this scale and maturity, and it demonstrates resilience and performance. Our Scotch business is highly profitable, with a gross margin that is meaningfully above the group's average as we continue to premiumize the portfolio. We have a global portfolio of over 40 Scotch brands.

Our leading brand is Johnnie Walker, the world's best-selling Scotch, and our portfolio contains other desirable brands such as Buchanan's, The Singleton, Lagavulin, and Mortlach. Diageo is the largest international whiskey manufacturer, with 25% share and an advantaged position with 1.6 relative market share. We have clear leadership position in Scotch, with 39% of Scotch retail sales value and a 1.9 relative market share. In 2022, the total international whiskey category grew by 12% in retail sales value, and Diageo Scotch is disproportionately fueling that growth. We delivered 30% of total category growth in 2022. We currently hold a 17.8% market share and have gained 80 basis points in the last 12 months. Over the last three years, we've gained 320 basis points of share.

Our strong Scotch performance in the first half of fiscal 2023 demonstrates our advantaged portfolio and the broad geographic footprint in action. Every region drove strong growth in Diageo Scotch over the past four years, and you can see it here on the map. North America, a CAGR of 5%, Europe, 6%, APAC, 10%, Africa, 6%, and Latin America, 15%. We are increasing the NSV delivered by our premium plus Scotch portfolio from 67% in fiscal 2021 to 70% in fiscal 2023. Within this, super premium plus Scotch delivered 30% of Diageo Scotch NSV. I'm pleased that in half one, fiscal 2023, 76% of our overall Scotch portfolio growth was driven by premium plus price tiers.

On to Johnnie Walker, which currently holds a 9.2% share of international whiskeys, and it has contributed 23% total international whiskey category growth in the last 12 months. The brand has delivered strong growth over the last three years, with value and volume growth across all price tiers. The fastest growth has been on Blue Label, demonstrating our commitment and ability to premiumize the brand. As Cristina will discuss, this brand masterfully evolves with the times, maintaining its resonance with contemporary consumers, all while preserving the integrity of the illustrious heritage. In our largest market, the U.S., we've gained over 300 basis points of category value share for 2 consecutive years, this growth has been broad-based, led by Johnnie Walker, Buchanan's, and our single malt portfolio.

Despite our long-term growth trajectory, where we will be distilling and maturing more liquid, we have an ambitious goal to ensure all of our distilleries are net zero by 2030. We aim for a 50% absolute reduction in our scope three carbon emissions also by 2030, alongside improving our water efficiency by 30%. With Johnnie Walker leading the way, we have the ambition to lead a bold transformation of international whiskeys and Scotch towards a low-carbon world, but more on that from Cristina later. Cristina will discuss how the consumer landscape and Scotch category is evolving. Continuing to build our brands in the right markets has never been more critical. We're committed to investing consistently in Scotch to ensure we support future growth of our iconic brands.

We've steadily increased the absolute amount of A&P in our Scotch business and have maintained the reinvestment rate in Scotch over the last few years. Our investment in the Scotch supply infrastructure means we can continue to expand and enhance our Scotch distillation, maturation, and warehousing facilities to secure the long-term growth of our Scotch business. We're also investing in Scotch tourism, enhancing distillery visitor centers across Scotland, and offering this unmissable experience here at Johnnie Walker Princes Street. Finally, investing in our environmental sustainability is a key commitment as we look to lead the category to a lower carbon future. Let me close with this video, which highlights the vibrancy of our Scotch brands, how we're recruiting the next generation of whiskey drinkers.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

... everyone, it's my pleasure to be here with you at Princes Street, taking you through the consumer lens and the brand lens on what we think is a phenomenal trajectory for Scotch, as Debra just mentioned earlier. Before we go forward, and I tell you about how the landscape is shaping and how we're leveraging that change, I would like to take you backwards for a minute and refer to the very rich history of Scotch, which I think is really enlightening. As you know well, the Scotch category has been present for actually centuries, and if we were to simplify that story and what happened, we can distinguish fundamentally four big portions or four big chapters of history that can have relevance even today. In simple words, in the pre-1900s, we call it the Area of Discovery.

That's the time where the founders of these brands, including John Walker, of course, were playing with liquids and ways of producing this liquid. As you will hear, here in Princes Street, John Walker himself started to blend the whisky because he had been trained in blending tea, and the idea of flavors and creating magnificent flavors was present from that very early age. In the earliest part of the 20th century and even to the sixties, in the 1900s, as I said, it was a distribution time, 1920, 1930. In that time, again, that entrepreneurial spirit was a present. Certainly, if I use the brand Johnnie Walker as an example, the family decided to create the square bottles such that they could travel better on boats.

That was a very visionary perspective, if you imagine those years. In fact, Johnnie Walker left the port of Glasgow to go to Sydney. That was the first faraway place that the brand went to, and from then expanded very quickly throughout the world. It became a symbol of status and a symbol of the progressive nature of the brand, that the brand had ever had. Later on, in the second part of the 20th century, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, that was the time that we call diversification, because there was a real explosion of different brands. Single malts became more available. In fact, there was some booms and busts. Some distilleries actually closed in the 80s.

During that time, the category kept expanding itself in the world and truly widening its footprint from more lower-end kind of products to much more expensive ones that we still see these days. Following that, from the end of the 1999, 2000, of course, until now, we call this the Area of Desire. I'll speak about the Area of Desire in a minute because it really captures what Debra was talking about that fundamentally has fueled this ignition, further ignition of the category for the new consumer. If I were to talk a little bit more about the Age of Desire and what that consists of, really is the idea that Scotch is playing very powerfully and meaningfully in what consumers today regard as a luxury experience.

If you think about what decodes a luxury experience, people will talk about the idea of what's craft. People will talk about the idea of exploration, flavor exploration in particular. People will value the people behind the brands and the fact that there's a human face and a lot of artistry behind those brands, and all of those elements are very present in Scotch. In fact, you will hear from some of our brands, Johnnie Walker, and certainly the extent of our portfolio, really can lean on into that space very successfully.

In fact, Scotch is really well placed to benefit from what we call these consumer macro trends that have to do with how much people value the idea of treating themselves, even in tough times, in volatile times, people will say and acknowledge that will help me go through whatever circumstances live around me. That idea of treating yourself to an experience, treating yourself to a more expensive product once in a while, plays very favorably to what we are doing. Again, I'll bring that to life in the work. I couldn't just fail to mention that the liquids that are behind all of that success, the numbers that you have heard, the trends that have actually taken place throughout that very extensive period, is the amazing liquids that are within those bottles.

These are just a few of the medals that we won in the most recent period. In total, our portfolio in the last year or so has won about 126 different accolades from the most prestigious industry forums. The brand Johnnie Walker alone has had 64 of those. This is just a proof point and a testament of how the experts value these phenomenal liquids, which, of course, then are in turn valued by consumers. What's behind those liquids? I referred to John Walker already, the founders and the heritage of those founders, and that craftsmanship that has been in exist and actually been developed throughout the years is now in the hands, of the case of Johnnie Walker, of this lady, Emma Walker, the first female Master Blender of Johnnie Walker.

Indeed, she brings a legacy of tremendous knowledge. She was, in fact, an apprentice of the iconic Jim Beveridge. You may have heard about him. He's hugely reputed in the industry, and Emma worked with him for many years, and in fact, she has now succeeded him in the work. Indeed, she brings her own ideas of flavor exploration and how she thinks about engaging new generation of Scotch drinkers, and is a phenomenal person to engage with and hear how she thinks about the creations that you will experience, I'm sure, throughout your visit to Princes Street today. The other big element in the engagement with consumers and the success of the category that I would like to reference is our relationship with this hugely important community, the bartender community.

You will have heard that Spirits brands are fundamentally engaged with consumers in various forms, but one of them that is very important is certainly the on-trade. In the on-trade, that is bars and restaurants, the bartender and the mixologist becomes a really important person. Many people will agree with the question of: Would you take a recommendation from a bartender? I'm sure each one of us can relate to that question and answer, "Yes, I would." Certainly, at the higher end, the more this actually is the case. We have various programs that have been working with the Diageo brands for several years. One of them is World Class. World Class is our bartender competition. It has been running for now 14 years, so we have developed a tremendous amount of relationships throughout the world.

The competition takes place first in 55 countries at country level. Each country will select the winning mixologist, in turn, the winning mixologist will attend a final that happens in different places throughout the years. This year, we will host it in São Paulo, Alvaro's home, not home, but Latin America, that is, and we'll be delighted to enjoy that. It's a fabulous community. The productions of the actual creations that they do are fundamental. Scotch plays a big role within that competition, as you can imagine, and Johnnie Walker is hugely featured. In addition to World Class, we have also developed another community hosting asset. We call it the Diageo Bar Academy. It lives in different, it's analog form, as in training programs for bartenders. It also lives in a digital form.

We have a site that has a very large amount of traffic every year. In that, and you can follow it on Instagram. If you have Instagram, you can see what kind of content is in there. It's actually very agile, it's very modern and contemporary. It talks about the history, it talks about the liquids, it talks about the cocktails, it talks about bartending tricks, it talks about the running of a bar, the business of bars. In that sense, we have managed to create and to put forward really important content for this important community.

I would now like to talk about some of our brands, and as Debra mentioned, we have plentiful, we have a very large portfolio of Scotch, fabulous brands, and today we don't have time to talk about all of them, but I will want to highlight two: Johnnie Walker and The Singleton. Let me start with Johnnie Walker first. I think you've heard already some statistics, but I'm going to just share or repeat a couple as a bit of context. It's the world number one international spirit, and that is again, verified by IWSR 2022, as of the 1st of June. In fiscal 2022, we surpassed the net sales value of GBP 2 billion with this brand. This brand has 9% share of international whiskey.

I think interestingly or importantly, every month, 400 million consumers choose to drink Scotch. Of those 100 million consumers that choose to drink Scotch every month, 95 million choose Johnnie Walker, that speaks to the relevance of the brand and the penetration. I think I missed queuing for a video that I wanted to share with you. Before I go here, let me just tell you this, then we'll go to the video. There's two on Johnnie Walker, there's two main aspects that I would love to share. One is the relevance and importance of Keep Walking. I'm sure you're familiar with these two words. They were first connected to the brand at the end of the nineties, it's a, as a platform, it's a very long-standing platform.

For a brand to be connected to a standing platform for so long, is actually very important. The platform, however, has evolved tremendously, and that's the video that I will show you in a minute. The fundamentals of what it means to be progressive, what it means to be special, what it means to leverage and connect with the idea of status, and what status actually mean for consumers today versus what it did when it was first created, that has changed. The expression of it has changed, but what's at the heart of it has remained, and hence, that is its power. The second big pillar that I want to talk about is premiumization. Again, Debra has referenced the growth of Johnnie Walker Blue Label, the importance of the Johnnie Walker Black Label and above portfolio, and I will talk about that.

Before we do that, let me just play a video. I should say that as a CMO of the company, I'm really proud of some of those marketing accolades that you saw in the slides, that we've won for multiple, in different areas, both for creativity as well as for marketing effectiveness, so very proud of that. Speaking about premiumization, these are some of the numbers of the progress that has been made on Johnnie Walker over the last few years. As you can see in that slide, today, in fiscal 2022, 72% of the net sales value of the brand is actually Black Label and above. That has been a progression actually created by the work that you have seen from fiscal 2024, when it was only 65%.

That 72% of fiscal 2022 is in the context of total Scotch category being 59%. Some of the aspects that really evolve, certainly Johnnie Walker Blue Label and the whole story of premiumization, that I think are really important, is the idea of how that represents or engages with luxury consumers. I mentioned that earlier. This image here comes from a global travel execution, where we have been able to actually showcase in retail form how the brand engages with consumers in a way that is experiential and actually takes inspiration from many luxury brands. Now, I want to turn us to another brand, The Singleton. Changing gears, The Singleton is a single malt brand, and in fact, not just any single malt brand. Let me show you a couple of statistics here. It's the fastest growing single malt globally.

It's the number 1 international brand in its lead market, Taiwan. Taiwan is actually 1 of the largest markets for single malts in the world, and it was the market where the brand was first launched. Today, so even though it was launched first in Taiwan and expanded more broadly in Asia, today is the number 1 driver of malt value growth in Europe. The brand is actually expanding more geographically. I want to show you a couple of examples of how this brand, which is fast-growing, is also creating more innovation. I have 2 different examples of how a single malt is creating innovation to expand its footprint more widely in 2 aspects. Aspect number 1 has to do with having the brand be accessible and desirable by a wider group of consumers.

Indeed, this is an entry single malt, meaning its flavor is very accessible to people, and that makes some innovation like this very possible and very natural for the brand. It's called Golden Tresor. It's finished in ex-Oloroso wine casks, and for that reason, the liquid is slightly sweeter. You can see how the proposed serve is in those kind of wine glasses, served with ice. It's a delicious liquid. It's a brand that speaks a lot about the flavors in its liquid, and again, this is a widening the footprint innovation. The other one, and I should have said here, we have a video. I'm going to show you two things. One is a video for Golden Tresor that has the advertising that consumers in Taiwan have actually seen.

Another one is a video of a different innovation for Singleton, a Singleton 40-year-old at a very different price point. That's Singleton, very quickly, just two examples within our portfolio. Of course, there's more. Alvaro is going to talk about the left-hand side of our slide briefly, Buchanan's and Old Parr, two fabulous blended whiskeys, Scotch whiskeys, which are very important in Latin America. On the other side, I've got a couple pictures on another single malt brands like Lagavulin and Talisker. These two brands from the islands, one is from Skye, the other one is from Islay. If you ever have a chance, I encourage you to visit these distilleries. They're beautiful, the liquid is fantastic. A little bit harder if you are not trained in single malts, they're a lot more peaty.

For a different kind of taste profile, and with perhaps a bit more of an acquired taste. Thinking about moving ahead and what lies ahead, I wanted to share with you 3 aspects of how we are shaping the future of Scotch. 1 is experiences, we are in the perfect place to talk about experiences in Johnnie Walker Princes Street. The next 1 is innovation. Although I have referred to innovation already, I'll make a couple more comments around that. 3rd, and importantly, sustainability and how that it really matters when it comes to consumers and how we are engaging in this topic already.

On experiences, Debra mentioned as well, we have invested recently in whiskey tourism in Scotland, this is actually the location of some of the visitor centers that we have created on the distilleries, for the most part, with the exception of Johnnie Walker Princes Street. The rest are our distilleries and their visitor centers. They're a fabulous place where people can actually see where's the provenance, how the whiskey is made. In the case of Singleton, you will understand that the stills are larger so that the liquid can have a longer conversation with the copper, and that, in turn, provides a fresher taste profile. I mentioned the islands, they're beautiful, a little bit harder to get to, but certainly gives you this sense on the actual connectivity with what is that liquid tasting that way.

The people at the distillery will be able to engage with you and explain what lies behind that particular taste profile. Speaking about Princes Street, and very quickly, you're going to have the full experience, so I won't dwell too much on it. But just to say we opened the doors in 2021, and it's been a phenomenal success, both in terms of visitors. We have welcomed 500,000 visitors already. They have engaged with us in the journey of flavor that you will go through, so I won't reveal any secrets. Importantly, through this experience, we're opening the doors to, again, more people. We're receiving people who are not Scotch drinkers and having them enjoy the drinks, and they go on to say that they are intending to repeat that purchase.

Also a wider public, a very balanced gender mix in terms of our visitors, more so than it is currently the penetration in males and females. It really does expand that footprint. Wanted to share this example. Some of it, version of this, you will actually experience, you may be aware that in 2021, we also acquired Vivanda. Vivanda is the company that was behind a product called Flavorprint. We had worked with this company and Flavorprint through a program that we had called What's Your Whiskey?

Effectively, it's an algorithm and has a proprietary database of taste and flavors, and the proprietary algorithm can also connect the choices on those tastes and flavors that each one of us will agree to into a recommendation of what whiskey is the one that you will likely enjoy more. We use it in Johnnie Walker Princes Street to direct the journey throughout the experience, and you will have, depending on your answers to the questions, you will experience different liquids throughout your journey. We are now in the process of bringing this product into some of the other consumer touchpoints, including some of our D2C sites. We're excited about that and the future that it brings to us. On innovation, there's so much to talk about.

You will see some of these products on display there, but I wanted to show you two examples on different aspects or different parts of the trademark on Johnnie Walker. Blonde is a liquid that is very accessible. The flavor-wise, it's really conceived for the new generation, and it's appealing to more female consumers. Alvaro will talk more about that because we launched it more importantly in Latin America. This is an example of Blue Label, and how do we innovate on Blue Label? We have various forms, but one is every year, we create what we call a City Edition collection. This year, we partnered with an artist. His name is Luke Halls. You might look him up. He's a visual artist.

He does a lot of work for opera production, theater production, very visual, very digital, he created this design and experiences. When you engage with this product, you will also be able to engage with what is his vision for the cities of the next 200 years. It's a futuristic view, very entertaining, very beautiful. My last point is sustainability, I just wanted to bring to life the fact that we have indeed very ambitious goals for 2030 in our Spirit of Progress, we are acting on it already, generally speaking, and in particular, through Scotch. We have been focusing a lot on packaging, because packaging is an important part of our carbon footprint indeed. We have a number of initiatives around packaging.

The first one has to do with making sure that our glass is better, meaning more recycled content and lighter. Today, in Black Label, our Johnnie Walker Black Label bottle already contains 42% recycled content. Our goal is to take that to 60%. We are already in 42. We have already made a lot of progress to date. Lightweighting bottles means the bottle, the actual glass, will weigh less. White Horse was a first of lightweighted bottle that we have actually sent to Latin America. We are also reducing and removing excess packaging. We have removed 183 million cardboard boxes from our Scotch portfolio. We are intending to look at what else to remove from excess packaging.

We will also transition to new materials, moving from glass to other materials, sometimes existing materials, like aluminum, where that's appropriate, and also looking to innovate in materials that currently are not being used for Scotch brands. There's a lot of work in this area. Some of the examples that have already seen the light of day, and they're really intended to engage in a conversation with consumers and bring this subject to life in a way that is compelling, is this project. It's called Air Ink. You have some of the bottles on display there. You can have a look at it. They're beautiful ceramic bottles, and they have been worked in collaboration with artists that are based in different cities in the world.

The black ink that you see is actually ink that has been extracted from the atmosphere. The artist then will create an image of the city with that particular ink. It's a small edition. We have created 2,500 bottles per city. They were sold at 3 times the price of Black Label. They sold out very fast the minute we put them out in the market. My last example, and actually my last slide, is another perspective of a different thing. I mentioned earlier, recycled content. I told you that we aim to achieve 60% recycled glass in our bottles, and that Johnnie Walker Black Label is at 42.

We had a project with Talisker and Parley, which is a company that works with environmental causes, we created this product that is made, this beautiful bottle is made of 100% recycled glass. It's just a proof point for us that premium single malts and premium products can actually be made of 100% recycled content, and it places a north star of what is possible. It's an inspiration for further innovation. With that, I will just hand over to my colleague, Alvaro Cardenas. Thank you very much. I hope you'll agree with me that the category is exciting, the brands are exciting, and the future is ours to shape. Thank you.

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

Hi, everybody. It's a real pleasure to be here with all of you today, especially talking about the Scotch, which I have to acknowledge is a passion point for me. The idea during the next few minutes is for you to have a view around how execution looks like in a market, and in this case, in Latin American markets. During the presentation, you will also, you know, will virtually meet the great talent that we have in market. We have some of our people telling, you know, bringing to life through examples, how we are executing our strategy and our ambition.

I do hope that through the examples, you will see how cool and vibrant a Scotch category is, you know, how we are recruiting consumers, younger consumers and diverse consumers, and actually bringing consumers out of international spirits directly into Scotch. You will see how premium the Scotch is, and it's still premiumizing. You will see that there is still headroom for growth. Without further ado, let's Thank you. Let's a quick intro about what is Latin America. We are a young and vibrant, and yes, volatile region. You know, you always have fun in Latin America. With more than 300 million LPA consumers, legal purchasing age, consumers, and just as a reference, US is a 160 million. We have a large consumer base.

50% of our consumers are under 30 years old, again, as a reference, 50% of consumers in Europe are over 4five years old. We have an energizing and thriving middle-class segment that moved from 22% to 38% during the last 1five years, it still is expanding. As LAC, we represent almost 1/3 of total Diageo Scotch. We are relevant for Diageo. We have an unparalleled portfolio because we have the perfect blend between global giants like Johnnie Walker and local jewels like Buchanan's and Old Parr, I have to say that feels like Latin American brands to the world. Let's start our immersion about our vibrant Scotch category in Latin America. For that, let me introduce Paula Rey. Paula is our Managing Director in Colombia.

She has been in Diageo for 2three years, and her first role was brand manager of Johnnie Walker. She has seen how the category has evolved during the last 2 decades. Let's hear from Paula.

Paula Rey
Managing Director, Diageo Colombia

We are reigniting Scotch at its core, disrupting key consumer occasions to recruit based on satisfying consumer needs better than anybody else, as opposed to relying on accessibility as the key driver. We are truly making Scotch stand out, driving attention, talkability, and winning over consumers' minds and hearts through colossal advertising. In fact, we have taken over entire cities. This, in combination with innovative presence in the out of trade, is helping us create a new generation of Scotch consumers. This isn't a utopia. It is happening now. The Scotch drinkers of the future are here, and they represent an increasingly growing part of our consumer base. They're young and lively, outgoing, sociable. They're digital natives that love technology and creating special bonds with authentic, purposeful brands. We're executing with passion and flair in a consumer-centric way. Our external radar is on.

We have become obsessed with being culturally relevant and creating conversations where our consumers actually are harnessing their attention, interest, and ultimately, their love. Shifting from traditional brand out advertising, this wave of growth has proved the power cultural relevance has. Adventuring into the out of trade to bring consumers in can achieve vast media reach and drive content to connect better with them. We have decoded how to make Scotch relevant and vibrant. It's time to turn the volume up and continue making this the most valued and aspirational category.

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

Let's start with a deep dive, a quick snapshot about Scotch as a category in Latin America. As a category, it has outperformed TBA, and I think this is quite an important point. It's not just TBA, it's locally, it's international spirits, locally produced spirits, and beer. Especially during the last three years. It's premium, and it's above average compared versus other region as a category that has been a big evolution during the last three years, because that was not the case three years ago. The category has really evolved into a more premium category. In the context of TBA, it's still tiny.

You know, it's still a category that represents 4%, and that's why we believe there is still so much headroom for growth as a category in Latin America. If we move now to Diageo, basically, we are leaders in Scotch in every single market across the region. When you think about the classification about what are the number 1, number 2, and number 3 one, mark brand, the number 1 is Johnnie Walker, the number 2 is Buchanan's, and the number 3 is Old Parr, so across Scotch in Latin America. We have 70% of market share in Scotch, and in blended Scotch, which is 95% of total Scotch, we have 73% of market share. In premium plus and above, we have 74% of market share.

We have a really strong post-mark, you know, competitive position in across the region. There is clear water between us and the next competitor. You know, relative market share versus the next competitor is 3.6, and you can see in different markets that is in a market like Mexico, it's 5, and in CCA, it's 4.5. Again, that just, you know, continue reinforcing how solid is our position in the markets that we operate. Now, what has been at the core of this transformation, it's our relentless focus behind two jobs. Job number one is about recruitment, and job number two is about premiumization. I will spend a bit more time in the recruitment aspect of what our brands are doing.

There has been a big reframe, especially in Latin America, and this brand, that recruitment is not just because pricing, accessibility. Actually, what we have been doing during the last, you know, three years is bringing consumers directly, new consumers directly into premium and premium plus Scotch brands. This is an example of Brazil. In Brazil, for Johnnie Walker Black Label, for Old Parr, you know, 52% of the growth of Johnnie Walker Black Label in Brazil are drinkers new to the whisky category, and in the case of Old Parr, is 66%. This is just continue, you know, validating the fact that we are bringing consumers directly out of international experience, directly into premium plus categories. Why is that possible?

It's because, as Paula said in the video, we are really very clear about what are the consumer needs, what is the consumer tension, and we are addressing, you know, those consumer needs and tensions. We are very clear about what consumer occasions do we want to disrupt. Whiskey in Latin America is directly associated with status and aspiration. Consumer wants to show they are successful, they wanna show that they know how to appreciate quality, and they want complexity and intensity in flavors. All of that basically is a Scotch, and that's why a Scotch is a moment that is thriving in Latin America.

Moving to one of the most exciting things for me at least, that which has been the big change, especially that I have seen in the category, is that it's recruiting a wider range of consumers right now. 25% of past four weeks consumer drinkers are women, and 65% of past four weeks drinkers are under 34 years old, so young and diverse. Now, we have been decoding, you know, what happened in order to... What are the success factors, and, you know, how can we replicate this and continue consistently, you know, executing the strategy? There have been 3 success factors. 1, is around staying top of mind in culture, building brands in culture, and I'm going to elaborate a bit more on that later in the presentation.

The second one is around if you want to be a TBA player, brilliant execution at a scale in the on and in the off-premise, it's paramount, that being the second pillar. The third one is about purposeful innovation, with the consumer at the center, with the intent of recruit and premiumize. Let's talk about the success factor number one, which is staying top of mind through culture. I'm gonna virtually invite Patty Borges, which is our marketing director in Brazil, to bring to life how we are using digital to really insert brands in live consumer conversations that is driving different level of talkability and really a different impact from a consumer perspective. Let's hear from Patty.

Patricia Borges
Marketing Director, Diageo Brazil

We believe that the more our business becomes about digital and data, the more it becomes about people. Sure, technology, tools, and platforms are important neighbors, but the beauty of digital is that it allows us to build one-on-one relationships with consumers at scale, to connect with them where they are, entertaining rather than interrupting. We are excited in LAC to be piloting some disruptive digital initiatives that are driving growth for our business. For starters, we have transformed how we run the bar. As a result, we host its biggest operation for Diageo worldwide, thanks to our unique multi-platform, omni-channel approach that combines online and physical flagship stores, brand experiences, direct-to-consumer, CRM, and analytics. Digital has also led us to adopt a new mindset of experimentation and simplicity.

Why work as 6 isolated markets fragmented across Latin America, when we can focus on our commonalities rather than our differences? When we can foster cooperation and speed to escalate growth. That's exactly why we've created Diageo's first digital hub, in sourcing breakthrough talent throughout the region that work together on scalable multi-market plans. Our ambition is to be one step ahead, exploring new rules of brand building and transforming our brands into storytellers, because brands that don't become content creators will eventually compete with content creators that will become brands. In our office in Brazil, we are pioneering a content laboratory of brand conversations run by a team of creators who monitor everything that consumers are talking about, searching for, listening to, sharing, or engaging with, all of that in real time. We are evolving from precision marketing to predictive marketing, anticipating consumers' trends and desires.

The content lab is a complete shift in communication dynamics, as we take the power away from the industry and pass it on to the communities. We are challenging the notions of traditional marketing. Communication is no longer made from brands to consumers, but actually from consumer to consumer about a brand, becoming much more engaging and connected to culture.

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

I hope that this video, what Patty brought to life, is around digital transformation is not about implementing tools, it's about delighting consumers, and, you know, making sure that we know what is the conversation that is happening, and we insert our brands into that conversation to make our brands relevant and to, you know, being part of the culture of the society. When in Brazil, historically, Jack, Johnnie Walker Black has lagged Jack Daniel's in talkability. Due to this type of interventions, now Johnnie Walker Black is leading in talkability in the marketplace. It shows, and that has been in a very short period of time. It really show the power of digital at the service of the consumer.

The other important point on, what is it? On building brands in culture is about experiences, and how we are creating unique and bespoke experiences for our consumers. There are two examples here that are in Colombia. One is Johnnie Walker Blue, and the other one is Singleton. Let us start with Johnnie Walker Blue. This one, during November and December of this, the last calendar year, the team implemented in a hotspot in city in Colombia, a unique interactive experience of Johnnie Walker Blue, for the consumer to engage different with the brand, to co-create, with the intent of, you know, generate real amplification, and impacting consumers. With that initiative, we reached 16 million consumers in 2 months, and Johnnie Walker Blue market share increased in 21%.

That just show the scale of really this type of experiences, where they connect directly with the consumer. The other example is with Singleton, in which, again, this is a brand that we are seeing a massive potential due to what we are seeing in single malts in a market like Colombia. Once again, a real experience to influence the influencer, to bring the right people. Where there was a party in one of the most important social events of 1,500 people, and the amplification of that event was around 10 million consumers. I think this unique experiences is not that much what's happening at the moment, it's about the amplification and the after, which we are taking really advantage of.

Now focusing on the success factor 3, area 3, which is innovation. In innovation, I'm bringing 2 examples. One is Johnnie Walker Blonde, which is the fun and modern latest innovation in Johnnie Walker that we launched in Brazil, Mexico, and Chile. Let's see the video, and then I will share with you some of the early results that we are seeing from a consumer perspective.

We launched, as I said, in Brazil, in Mexico, and in Chile, a bit longer than 1 year ago, than 1 year, sorry. These are the early, you know, results and outcomes that we are seeing. More than half of the Blonde consumers are new into Scotch. With disproportionately more women. 56% of consumers in Brazil are women, and 69% in Chile. 69%. Recruiting new consumers, 53% under 34 years old. The intent was disrupt and recruit, and what we are seeing. As a result, and it's still early stages, but it's really encouraging, supporting what was the reason why we launched the brand.

The other example is Buchanan's Two Souls, which is a blended Scotch finished in Don Julio and tequila barrels. You know, we launched this in originally in Mexico, and now we have Mexico, Colombia, Central America, and Caribbean. Again, very, you know, encouraging results in the short term. Similar, 50% of consumers are women, 40% are new to Scotch, more than 70% who try it, repeat it, and is recruiting from tequila, beer and vodka. I hope these two examples in innovation really bring to life the role that we are seeing innovation play in the portfolio, especially, and play for the categories, for the Scotch and the category as well.

Now that I just shared with you what's the framework of the learnings and the success factors behind this transformation, let me get into our simple but mighty, you know, flywheel and growth flywheel in the Scotch. Let me start with the most important thing: fueling and investing behind our brands. It's not just about investing, it's about the right way of investing behind the brands. Two-thirds of our A&P are behind the Scotch and are behind these three brands that I mentioned, Johnnie Walker Black, Old Parr, and Buchanan's. 50% of that investment is behind brand-building, consumer-facing initiatives, which was not the case three or four years ago. We were about 35% or 40%. 57% is good progress, but I think we need to continue progressing that even further.

It's real progress. As a consequence of that investment, we are seeing really, brand strength and brand equity results. In whiskey, in Brazil, we have the number one brand from a brand strength perspective, which is Johnnie Walker. In Mexico, we have the number one and number two, Buchanan's and Johnnie Walker, and in Colombia, Old Parr, Buchanan's and Johnnie Walker, so the number one, two, and three. That investment is driving the right equity in our brands, which is fundamental in order to continue supporting our pricing agenda in the marketplace, in the different markets that we are operating. Investing the brand, our brand equity, to have a balanced growth top-line equation.

We want to drive volume because we want to recruit, we want to drive mix because we want to premiumize, and we want to drive pricing because we want to continue expanding our growth margin. Which takes me to the growth margin part. Today, our Scotch portfolio is accretive to LAC, and is accretive to Diageo . It's very important to continue focusing in the growth margin conversation, because at the end, it's what creates capacity for us to keep investing behind the brand. This is a virtual cycle that we have been consistently executing during the last three years, and we do believe that it's going to be a fundamental part in how we will continue unlocking growth in the Scotch in Latin America.

This takes me to the last slide that I have, which again, is just a summary of what we have, and I think you heard Debra, and you heard Cristina, and during, you know, my presentation as well. We are obsessed with recruiting consumers. Yeah? We want to continue premiumizing. We want Scotch to feel cool and vibrant. For that, if you want to be a TBA player, you need to really understand that execution need to be one of the most important enablers of your strategy. That was what I just wanted to share with all of you, and with that, I will hand it back to Debra.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

I think we're at the point of Q&A. We're ready for questions. Perfect. First question comes from Andrea.

Andrea Pistacchi
Managing Director of Equity Research, Bank of America

Question on.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Andrea, could you be the microphone, please? Thank you.

Andrea Pistacchi
Managing Director of Equity Research, Bank of America

Andrea Pistacchi from Bank of America. Question on Scotch. Scotch has historically been quite cyclical in emerging markets and in Latin America, and about 10 years ago, maybe a little bit less, you were focusing also on some primary Scotch brands, Black & White, White Horse, et cetera. You haven't mentioned them today, so I was wondering how you're managing cyclicality today in Latin America, in Scotch? Sort of connected also to the cyclicality aspect, another point has been historically, distributors destocking or stocking up, depending on the cycle. I know you're more focused on the sell-out culture, but just a sort of update on what the stock level is across your main markets in Scotch.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Okay, I'll take the second one. Why don't you go ahead, Alvaro, and start with.

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

With the first one.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

With the first one.

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

primaries understand that will continue to play a role, you know, in, as part of our portfolio in Latin America. The reason why we are focusing, especially today, the conversation around more in premium and premium plus, is because it's when we are seeing the fundamental transformation. That doesn't mean that we are not having a role for the rest of our portfolio, and I think that's the magic that we have, in Latin America, from a Scotch portfolio perspective, but actually in Diageo, in Diageo overall. We are being more selective in how we are playing with the rest of the portfolio in a way that everything that we are doing needs to be accretive.

I think one of the biggest, and most, transformational changes that we have been driving in Scotch and in our portfolio is this foundation about gross margin, which, at the end, is what is allowing us to continue investing in the part of the portfolio that we want to exponentially grow. Yeah, to your point, to your question, it's cyclical, and it's not because. It's not like we are deprioritizing. We are being more selective in how we are playing with the rest of the portfolio.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah, for, I mean, your second question, just about retailer stock, you know, the, we, I mean, we are seeing coming off of this, you know, remembering that as Diageo, we're 36% bigger than what we were pre-COVID, and in markets like Alvaro, I think you're something like 70% or something, I don't know. It's a big number. Yeah, as we come off the super cycle, we are seeing normalization across multiple markets, the U.S., of course, being the most prominent, and probably really what you want to know about. Look, I mean, we've talked a little bit about this, part of normalization, so it really is about the consumer, and that's where we're really trying to focus, and we are seeing the consumer really normalize.

You know, and actually, if you look at the industry overall, we're feeling pretty good about how it's normalizing out. It really is getting back toward more, you know, mid-single digits. You know, if you look at the latest Nielsen results, you know, latest Nielsen had the industry at, you know, almost 5%. It was a +4.8%, I think. You know, we are starting to see the industry really come back to that mid-single digits. It's being driven by, importantly, this super premium plus sort of part of the category. You know, luxury is... The growth's moderating there, although still growing. Below premium, there is a lot of price competition, and that's really where you're seeing this sort of weaker consumer environment.

Remember, most of our portfolio really is about the super premium plus area, so that's what we're staying very close to. We feel very good about that kind of normalizing back toward, you know, what we would expect. Part of normalization, though, isn't just about the consumer. It really is about the supply chain as well, and that is, you know, some of the things you're mentioning. We've talked a lot about last year, if you remember, we finished the year, shipments were ahead of depletions, and a lot of that was restocking from out of stocks driven by glass shortages and that type of thing. We had restocked last year and got into a pretty good position, and hence, the reason shipments were higher than depletions. Clearly, that's gonna normalize.

We've talked less about retailer, but certainly, others have talked a little bit about you're seeing in Nielsen, some retailers, the consumption is higher than what depletions that they're seeing. We're seeing some of that as well, not across all retailers, but certainly some chains, you see consumption outstripping. Look, there's a couple things we believe going on there. Very much last year, if you remember, big inflation environment, a lot of people taking price increases. Potentially, retailers bought in against that, and so therefore, you know, they're lapping also a big buy-in from last year. It also could be the interest rate environment. We're certainly staying close to it, and we're watching that, but that is part of this normalization process that we're seeing.

Like I said, U.S. is probably the most pronounced, but certainly, you know, Latin America is seeing some of that as well. Hopefully that gets it sort of, your question.

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

If I may, just to complement something, and I think you're right. One of the things that in the past was problematic was around the level of concentration in few customers. For example, in the case of Mexico, was a lot of concentration in just a few wholesalers. One of the things that we have been working during the last three years is also eliminate that concentration by, you know, really expanding our route to consumer into different commercial, you know, partners and more allies to avoid that level of concentration that, at the end, what don't give flexibility to react. I think that was-

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

This is the sellout culture that he's referencing. We're really, I think, compared to some of the, you know, some of the boom bust things in the past, staying really close to sellout-

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

Yeah

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

in this environment, really critical. I don't know, Lavanya, if you wanted to add anything to that?

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Just say that, you know, a lot of, a lot of what you explained, Debra, is the story of what's happening in North America, right?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

... all geographies, the thing that we are extremely cognizant of, and we ended last year, and we ended the half at very reasonable inventory levels, and that is something that we are very proud of. It's part of our culture to be really driven by, you know, sell out and not focused on sell in. That is something that we watch very carefully. It is part of our operating rhythm to review it, and we make sure that we will continue with where we have been at the end of last year and at the end of the half to keep inventory levels at normal levels.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Last question. Sanjiv?

Sanjiv Rajani
Director, Credit Suisse

Hey, thanks. Sanjiv from Credit Suisse. One for Alvaro and a follow-up for Debra on the U.S. Alvaro, can you just talk a bit about how the channel mix has evolved in your Scotch business over the last few years and through the pandemic? You know, I recall it was a category that was very much on-premise skewed. Have you seen much higher off-premise step up, you know, since the pandemic, and how sticky has that been? That's my first question. Just a follow-up on the U.S., please, Debra. I think you've alluded to Nielsen stabilizing around mid-single digit. Is that your kind of sense of where you think the whole category across all channels is today, and how do you think Diageo is performing relative to that? Thanks.

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

You want to go first?

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Yeah, why don't you go first?

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

Okay. Yes, one of the things that we saw in the short term after the pandemic was, you know, as many other industries, was, you know, a real explosion of digital channels, you know, on direct to consumer or B2B channels. Now we are seeing a more normalized situation, in which what is happening is that the on-trade in Latin America is really booming, I would say. It's even higher than pre-COVID at this moment in time. I think that the other evolution that we are seeing is third spaces. All what is experiences and events. It's disproportionately growing versus not even versus pre-COVID.

It's, actually, it's gaining so much momentum that has taken by surprise, you know, all of us, due to the level of activity that we are seeing right there. I think that's the channel that I'm seeing more, creating more disruption, in a good way, because it's you can create, you can build brands in that channel, create the right level of experiences and really engage consumers differently.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

If I may just add a little on that. You know, this point around the post-COVID and the times and the consumer's reaction to... They have expressed in multiple forms, we have checked with various sentiment studies, et cetera, some more qualitative, some more quantitative, but the desire to be close to friends and family and celebrate with people has increased, and I think it has to do with the experience, the traumatic experience that everyone has suffered, you know, during the pandemic. In that context, therefore, we have seen, despite the volatility and despite the concerns around the economic circumstances around the world, there has been a growth in the on-trade. In fact, if you were to measure on-trade and off-trade, on-trade 2022 versus prior year grew.

I'm sure we have all experienced, certainly when you think about more affluent consumers at the higher end on the on-trade, the degree to which that on-trade is pre-booked is unprecedented. We see that truly throughout the world. Hence, our reflections on premiumization and how this idea of premium experiences, the choice of treats and something that makes me feel special, it's an aspect of consumer sentiment that we are observing and fundamentally through 2022 and 2023 broadly.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Just continuing on that theme, so on-premise is one of the areas that, and while not tracked as much, clearly, Nielsen doesn't have it, but you can certainly see it in NABCA, and then if you look at things like SipSource, et cetera, on-premise is actually doing quite well in the U.S. and is already at that mid-single digits. Where we expect it to be is really over time, we're gonna get back to that mid-single digits. I mean, I was giving you a Nielsen number of one month, so one month does not make the trend for the year, but we do see it returning back to mid-single digits over time. And it's because of...

I mean, the fundamentals haven't changed as far as, you know, number of drinkers, when you think about that, when you think about some of the premiumization trends, when you think about the pricing, the kind of historic levels of pricing that has gone in, it does feel like the fundamentals are really there to get back. You know, that being said, I know there's a lot of noise because all of the supply chain stuff does sort of play into what ultimately happens with, you know, depletions and shipments, et cetera. Fundamentally, the consumer, which is where we really try to focus on, you guys have seen this as you're looking at Scotch. You know, these are long-term commitments and investments that you need to make.

If you think about our portfolio, and when we talk about super premium plus Scotch, this is Scotch that has been aged, so more of our portfolio is aged and has been aging for, you know, 10 years plus. You know, it is really important that we stay focused on where this is gonna be over time, and that's really where we do see that, the, you know, it returning to this sort of mid-single-digit level. Oh, Laurence? Yeah.

Laurence Whyatt
Head of European Beverages Research, Barclays

Thank you. It's Laurence Whyatt here at Barclays. Perhaps a question for you, Cristina, although you all may have a view. Generally speaking, we expect the marketing to add to sales, but of course, there are some topics that are fairly incendiary amongst some of your customers, and I guess, you as individuals or Diageo as a company may have a view on what progress looks like in society. Of course, we can see that some customers have a very different view on that progress. How do you navigate this more polarized customer environment when it comes to your marketing?

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Can you explain more the question, please? What do you mean?

Laurence Whyatt
Head of European Beverages Research, Barclays

There are certain topics in society.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

I see.

Laurence Whyatt
Head of European Beverages Research, Barclays

Very different views, particularly amongst political on different political grounds.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

I see where you're going.

Laurence Whyatt
Head of European Beverages Research, Barclays

There are types of marketing or topics that you could include in your marketing that may upset.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Yeah, yeah.

Laurence Whyatt
Head of European Beverages Research, Barclays

put off customers.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

I think I got you.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Try and understand.

Laurence Whyatt
Head of European Beverages Research, Barclays

You understand.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Look-

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Look, I think, you know, I mean, I'm sure my colleagues have a point of view, but the reality for me, and when you think about the marketing of our brands, we've been really guided throughout times, you know, I've worked long in the company, by the idea of what is it our business really concentrated on? What are we here for? That idea of this, our business, is the business of celebration, really has helped us guide, you know, what are the topics that are relevant and what are the topics that are out of scope for us. In that context, our marketing, I think, is well served.

To guide us even further, we have, of course, you know, our Diageo, in marketing certainly, our Diageo Marketing Code, which has been, again, is long-standing, has been working in principles for, you know, years, and we continue to review it. I think, you know, as society changes, as sensitivities change, we look into that and incorporate what of that is relevant to us and what of that is not relevant to us. I think we look to operate within that framework, you know, successfully.

Robert? Did anybody have anything to add?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

No.

No? Okay, Robert.

Robert Ottenstein
Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Beverages and Household Products, ISI

Hey, thank you. Robert Ottenstein with ISI. A much longer term question and more strategic. Today, I mean, today, and, you know, for most brands, everybody wants, you know, more consumers, and they want them to spend more, and, you know, premiumization is one way to do that. You know, what we've seen over the last two days, which is different than many companies, is you have a tremendous asset base that's kind of unique and irreplaceable. So the question is, to what extent do you try to look to drive long-term returns on that asset base? Is that driven purely on the marketing side? Is it driven, you know? Or is it driven by the asset base? How do you look to optimize that asset base?

One particular possible example is right now, you know, 90% of the liquid we learned goes into blends rather than just singles. One possible strategy would be to maybe shift that, and I'm just throwing that out there as an example. You know, the question is: Long term, how do you best manage the asset base in Scotch to drive shareholder value?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah. Do you want to take that, Lavanya, and then I'll.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Sure.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Carry on.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

No, Robert, I mean, look, absolutely, you know, one of the, one of the key tenets of Diageo is that we do invest in the long-term growth opportunity. You know, I'll just step back and say that, you've heard me say this many, many times, we are only a 4.6% share of total beverage alcohol. When you look at our asset base, here in Scotland, and you look at the miles and miles of warehouses of our precious liquid, that's aging in the hills of Scotland, it is to support that, what we see as our opportunity to grow the category in a very sustainable and a profitable manner.

Obviously, we take decision-making around our capital allocation very seriously, and the number one part of our capital allocation strategy is, hence, investing within the business. It is in CapEx, it is in, and it is in maturing liquid. That maturing liquid investment support the long-term growth of our business. We measure our return on invested capital. We report it to you, we track it, and we make sure that it is increasing on an ongoing basis, because that is a part of what makes. What helps us to be able to drive that return on invested capital up is being measured in our investment, but more importantly, it is driving that profitable growth.

As we heard today, as Alvaro and Cristina described how we are able to recruit more consumers into our category and into our very, very precious brands, that is how we really drive that return on invested capital up.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

I mean, I'll just add, you know, to your point, there are a lot of decisions that we have to make now about whether you leave stuff in the barrel. Do you take it out of the barrel? How are you going to sell it? I think, you know, one of the questions earlier about Latin America shifting from, you know, less standard Scotch to more premium Scotch, that's a decision to be made, 'cause that is potentially sales in this year versus what goes into sales in another year. I think, you know, quite honestly, we too see an opportunity in malts.

That's one of the reasons why we're not just here talking about Johnnie Walker, but, you know, we talked about Singleton and some of the growth that we're getting, you know, like, you know, not just in sort of developed markets, but you think about Singleton and what we've been able to do, in Asia, which has typically been a place where, you know, we, you know, Diageo hasn't. Even our low 4.6% share, we've got even lower shares in those markets. We do see a lot of opportunity in it, and it is why we are investing in stock for the future. We've increased our CapEx, and we are laying down more stock because we do see those opportunities.

Robert Ottenstein
Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Beverages and Household Products, ISI

Just to follow up, do you think 10 years from now, five years from now, will single malts be a bigger part of the mix or smaller or the same?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

I think if you look at what the IWSR, this stuff is so hot off the press. I think it was predicting actually malts. I'm trying to remember if it broke it out or not. Look, all of, Scotch across the board looked really strong. You know, definitely you do see that in certain parts of the world in particular. Blended still has so much opportunity, and you guys are going to learn about this today, but just how special blended is and what you need to do. People are still, blended has a lot of momentum.

Robert Ottenstein
Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Beverages and Household Products, ISI

Mm.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Certainly, there are markets where malts play a big role, and, you know, we look at that as well.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

I think we, I mean, in terms of our decision on how to use our liquids, because at the end of the day, the liquid that comes out of a distillery is the liquid.

Robert Ottenstein
Senior Managing Director and Head of Global Beverages and Household Products, ISI

Mm-hmm.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

It then comes down to, you know, the people who run the business to figure out how much of it to put into which brand, it's mainly driven by where consumer demand is. You know, as we see, the liquid exists, so if demand moves from blended to single malts, we have the liquid to meet the demand because it's the same liquid at the core of it. You know, we'll be driven by where we see consumer demand moving to.

I mean, like, and so what we do is really make sure that we stay really close to the consumer and understanding where the consumer demand is and have the supply chain capability and the innovation capability to move very, very quickly in a very agile manner to meet that consumer demand.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Mitch?

Mitch Collett
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Thank you. It's Mitch Collett from Deutsche Bank. I'd like to ask one on Scotch, if I may, and then back to the US, if that's okay. On Scotch, I think you gave the aspiration of 6% value growth. Could you maybe split that into what would be a realistic combination of volume, price, and mix? You probably won't want to give a margin for Scotch, but would I be right to assume that its margin is above the group average, so that growth is potentially margin accretive? The second question on the US. The market, I think, is trending close to mid-single digit in the Nielsen data, but Diageo's own value growth is currently negative on a four-week and 12-week basis.

I think NABCA looks a bit stronger, more like low single digits. Can you maybe comment on, I guess, why your growth in the US is below the market average, as the tailwind from tequila seems to be fading and as more of the market growth seems to be coming from ready-to-drink cocktails? If that's the case, and you do have this overhang from shipments being ahead of depletions, particularly in the second half of last fiscal year, I guess, how should that make us think about the potential growth rate for the second half of this fiscal year and maybe into the first half of next fiscal year? Thank you.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

There was a lot there.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yeah.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

I'll let Lavanya start, and then we'll unpick that first.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yes. I'll just say that the 6% number that you're quoting is the IWSR forecast growth rate for Scotch. It will be a combination of both volume, price, and mix. I mean, typically, you know, the category grows volume 1%-2% in North America, and then the rest is price and mix. That's, that's typically how the category growth has split in the past and should be the same for Scotch as well. The, what you talked about, I'll take the last part of the question that you asked, which is about, you know, how should we be thinking about this year, half's forecast? I will answer that very clearly to you.

I'm not going to give you an answer as to, you know, what our forecast is for this half. We did, we were very explicit last, in when we reported results at the end of fiscal 2022 to say that shipments had been ahead of depletions by three points. That was not because we ended at higher inventory levels than we would have historically had, but it is because we were refilling a pipeline that had been exhausted through Covid, when we had tremendous growth rates and, you know, supply chain difficulties. The 3 points is the story of last year, refilling the pipeline back to historic inventory levels. Of course, we will be lapping that this year.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah. Look, on performance in the US and market share, I mean, we held market share in the first half. I mean, clearly, we would love to grow market share. That is the goal. That being said, in this environment, several things are going on. We have taken price increases, we've taken price increases on tequila. We've been leading the industry on those price increases, I think those price increases are the right things to do. Tequila is still growing really strongly. You know, I think some of this, there's a bit of a law of large numbers going on the sort of growth rates and where we're getting from a share standpoint, but we feel great about our tequila business.

We, you know, as category leaders, we think the right thing to do was to take that pricing. It's an important part of making sure that part of the industry stays healthy, and we are, you know, super premium plus priced pretty much, mostly in that ultra-premium price point, and that is a place that the consumer is doing well, and both of those brands are doing well. I mentioned at the luxury end on Don Julio 1942, clearly there, you know, this is the $100 plus bottles. This is where we are seeing growth kind of moderate. It is still growing, but growth is definitely moderated from kind of the super cycle of COVID, where you were seeing, you know, I mean, just, you know, high double-digit growth rates.

You know, that's not going to continue. A lot of that consumption is going out quite aspirational. You know, you're seeing that come down to a more normalized level. We feel great about our tequila portfolio. Look, RTDs are growing strongly. We do have an RTD portfolio. We launched that several years ago. There are so many RTDs launching right now. We've been in the RTD business in the US for 21 years, with Smirnoff Ice. That's of course, a malted RTD versus spirits, but you kind of see the same patterns playing out. There's always a lot of entrants. They kind of come, they go out. These are kind of right now, it's very concentrated in a lower price, kind of vodka soda type of thing. We're not gonna chase that.

We're not gonna chase that share. That wouldn't, once again, be the right thing for us to do. Look, you know, we are in a, in a situation right now where we're more in a holding share position, but we also have a lot of opportunity. You know, we'd love to get more out of our whiskey portfolio. We think we can do more there. We've got a lot of innovation planned, so more to come on that, but it's... Yeah, I mean, we're in a, in a whole share situation right now.

Mitch Collett
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Sorry, when you say whole share, you mean as a % of TBA, is that correct?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

We always measure versus TBA, 'cause of course, we have a great Guinness business in the U.S. as well. I mentioned things like, our malted beverages, so we do play, you know, in a broader TBA environment, so we always measure TBA.

Mitch Collett
Managing Director, Deutsche Bank

Thank you.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Simon?

Simon Hales
Managing Director of Consumer Staples & Beverages Research, Citi

Thank you. Simon Hales from Citi. Look, I can't attend a Scottish presentation without asking the question, I think of us for the last 20 years around India as a starting point. Clearly, it's always been the big hope for the Scotch category. We can debate whether maybe we're close to perhaps getting a free trade deal now. Interested in your general thoughts on that, but perhaps more importantly, what you're doing to perhaps prepare on the ground for this finally perhaps coming to pass. That's the first question. Maybe within that, I think there's also a tendency on our side of the fence to overestimate how quickly those benefits may come through as and when tariff changes come through.

Then the second question, just coming back again to the U.S., not to labor the point, but I'm just trying to make sure I'm clear on what the takeaway message here is. It is the takeaway message that actually depletions are taking a little bit longer to normalize back to mid-single digits than perhaps you thought back in February. I appreciate the value. You're not going to give any guidance for H2 and into 2024, but, you know, is that the starting point? Maybe the shipment patterns or what you're seeing at the retailer end is also a bit more complex than you thought. Is that too bearish an assessment, and actually, everything's as you expected it to be?

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

I'll take the India-.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Question, sure.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Okay.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

In, look, we're India is a market where we're feeling really good about it. I mean, from a consumer perspective, I mean, this is an extremely optimistic consumer. The middle-class growth and what we're seeing on the ground over there, with even the evolution of how retail is evolving in India has been, is being really positive. Our business in India in the first half of this year grew 11%. That was total India, within that, the premium and above grew 18%, and Scotch grew 27%. That's lapping a 60% growth of Scotch in the prior fiscal year, in fiscal 2022. This is a business which is really in growth mode.

To the Indian consumer, you don't need to educate them on whiskey. It's, you know, that's the category, and you don't need to educate consumers in India about Johnnie Walker. I mean, Johnnie Walker in India is absolutely iconic, and the equity of it is, I mean, it surpasses none, right? So we do feel very confident about the prospects. On the free trade zone, the free trade agreement, we're very hopeful that, you know, this will come through, more hopeful than we've been in the past. I'm looking at Dan, sitting in the back over there. So yes, if it does, I mean, we do expect that, you know, as duties come down, we will flow that through to the consumer.

Having said that, it's a 150% duty rate right now. It's not gonna go down to 0 at 1 go. It constitutes about 15% of the price that consumers pay for a bottle of anything that's imported. Again, we do need to also recognize that, you know, if 150 comes down, you know, there'll be a 5% price reduction that'll flow through. What we have seen, equally important to the import duties, is also state duties, which tend to be quite high in India, and that's in a number of the bigger states, that has come down in the last 18 months.

We have seen, you know, the, consumption pick up as those duties have come down, and they've translated into, you know, lower pricing for the consumer. I'll pass it to you, Debra, and you, yes.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah, and I mean, I, you know, I think as you know, as you've kind of asked the question, I mean, certainly we are seeing sort of this as we put out, and while we're not talking about what we're gonna see, just reminding you of what we reported last year and that difference between sort of shipments and depletions. That is what we're lapping, and that is part of the normalization process that clearly needs to come back. Yes, there are things going on between kind of what you're seeing in consumption, particularly in some chain accounts, and what, you know, we're seeing in depletions in those accounts. You know, I think you characterized that well in your question.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

All right, Olivier?

Olivier Nicolaï
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Olivier Nicolaï, Goldman Sachs. Just three questions. First, if we go back to the maturing inventories for Scotch. By how much have you been increasing your level of maturing inventories over the last, let's say, three or five years? What should we assume going forward, is 3% to 4% volumes reasonable? Just on duty-free as well, can you comment perhaps on the role of duty-free for the Scotch category? How big is this channel for the group and for Scotch today for Diageo, and how does it compare to before COVID? Lastly, if I may, just looking at the pictures of the pretty bottles behind you, what's the opportunity for direct-to-consumer for Scotch? Thank you.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Lavanya, do you want to take the first one on Scotch, maturing inventories?

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yeah, we have not, and we will not be putting out the exact, you know, value of maturing inventory split between Scotch, you know, other international whiskey that we also have within our maturing stock inventory, as well as tequila, and we have rum in there as well. On our balance sheet, you will see our maturing stock inventory for the total group, and it has increased quite substantially over the last seven years. You know, we will continue to, when I think about capital allocation, investing in within our business, is our number one part of capital allocation, and within that, investment into maturing stock is definitely going to be a key priority.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Your second one on duty-free and just China. I mean, for us, you know, look, China's still small, albeit, we've got, you know, we've got the SJF investment in baijiu. We are the, I think, only, I always look, because I think we're still the only Western company that's got the majority interest in a baijiu company. Actually, look, baijiu was really impacted, of course, by COVID. You know, that's 90% of total beverage alcohol in China, and it was very much affected. There, if you would've seen from SJF's you know, they're public, and they did a report out, there is quite a bit of inventory in that, you know, in that as China is sort of reopening.

That being said, all of that return has yet to happen, so that is still out there, for, you know, the recovery. That's all about banqueting, big events, that really is, you know, just now sort of coming into play, that part of the business. We also have an import part of the business, that is much different consumption from baijiu, but much more concentrated in a couple provinces. That is, you know, coming back. I was actually in China a few weeks ago, it was great to see sort of people kind of coming out. Once again, this recovery is sort of just happening now. Look, for us, it's all really potential.

We're, you know, it's a smaller part of our business, but we do see real potential in it. We've made investments. We've got an innovation center that we've opened up in Shanghai, which is really terrific. Actually, one of the Singletons that Cristina presented today, you know, that's actually coming out of from that innovation center. We've got also our whiskey investment, where we've invested in a whiskey distillery in China. We do see a lot of opportunity in the future yet for China. You know, travel. You know, I'm reading a lot of what you guys are reading. Clearly, international travel, the Chinese tourist, kind of international travel is also yet to come. We have not seen that come back. There is duty-free travel in general.

You know, if you're buying plane tickets, many of you, I think, had to fly here, would've seen, travel is, you know, is, definitely duty-free is a big opportunity for us. We're really seeing, once again, opportunity in the premium end of that duty-free, and that's really where we're focused on.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

On that, maybe.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

we had a, I had a picture of some of the work that we've done, particularly on Blue Label, and we have more and more explored the concept of having global travel be in the big airports, a feature for how our brands engage with, consumers effectively, and really exploring how that experience takes place, taking real inspiration from the luxury brands like Louis Vuitton or Balenciaga, et cetera. Some of those retail and experiential, actions that we have made in the post-COVID world, I think, respond to that idea, and we see it's an interesting, really interesting area for us.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

I think your final question was about just direct-to-consumer Scotch. I don't know, Cristina, do you want to talk a little bit about?

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Alvaro mentioned earlier that, not specifically to direct-to-consumer, and I'll speak more about that, but in general, the commerce part of the digital connectivity between brands and consumers has come down post-COVID, as consumers went out and engaged our products and our brands in the analog world when it comes to commerce. Having said that, though, I mentioned one of the investments that we've made, that we are now including not only in the physical D2C experiences like this one, but also in the digital D2C experiences like thebar.com or malts.com. We see that there is a greater value for us to play with an omnichannel concept. It doesn't necessarily mean commerce, as in it may not result in a large transaction value in the short term. However, it gives us data. I mentioned FlavorPrint.

We are learning about flavor preferences in a very gender and age-agnostic way, and there's real value in that. For example, with that product that I shared, we are getting real insights into which flavor preferences consumers are choosing in various geographies as they engage with these D2C platforms that we have around the world. Alvaro talked about thebar.com in Brazil. We have more, and this is an area that I think will develop even further.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Thank you. Chris, all the way in the back.

Chris Pitcher
Managing Director, Redburn

Thank you. Chris Pitcher from Redburn. A couple of questions. One on Latin America. Alvaro, your business has been incredibly strong and is printing record margins. It feels a little bit that marketing has not kept up with that sales growth. Are you being tasked to give margin growth and top-line growth, or with all the opportunities in terms of broadening the consumer and the channels, should we expect you to start to reinvest that? Simple message, should we expect marketing spend to go up and margins go down? On China, the Scotch strategy in China is sort of divided between your business and the joint venture. Is that really working? Because Johnnie Walker Black doesn't seem to have had the attention for the last five years or so that some of the other brands in your Scotch portfolio are getting.

It seems to have picked up again, but how does that work between the Diageo Single Malts and Blue and the other two? Is there logic to put them back together again?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Do you want to take the-

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

Yeah.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

The Latin America comment?

Alvaro Cardenas
President of Latin America and Caribbean, Diageo

What we have done in Latin America in order to actually to drive to stabilize more the margin equation of our financial context, has been more around, you know, it's been around growing our growth management, including pricing. It's been around having the right portfolio mix and really taking the benefits of the scale. One of the things that, learning from the past, and especially in emerging markets, is you cannot get too excited with growth, and it's, you know, adding a lot of overheads and resources, et cetera. How we have been supporting the growth, it's been in a very lean and flexible way. And that's why we have been able to expand our gross margin, operating margin, and increase our marketing reinvestment rate.

We will continue, you know, driving that equation in the future. Emerging markets, they are not, as you are well aware, they are not a linear, you know, kind of growth equation. We have been working the fundamentals of the business that give us, you know, all the confidence in the medium and long term that continue supporting that flying wheel, we will continue expanding our TBA participation in the market, but not as, not at a cost of reducing marketing, because that is what is really driving the consumer engagement that we are seeing.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

You know, I'll just add on your, on your China question, I think we do feel good about the structure that we've put in place in China. It's allowed us to get more senior resources overseeing parts of these businesses, and it's also allowed us to, like, things like moving the innovation center there, I think, it's really allowed us to really take a look at China insights. Sort of China for China, not coming out of sort of a, you know, an Asian center, of which, you know, is looking across a lot of markets. We really are quite focused on China for China. You know, more to come on that.

I think, you know, Johnnie Walker Black, clearly, Johnnie Walker Black, this is one place where I think even the local team would tell you, they see opportunities in the future for Johnnie Walker Black and feel like there's more to do on that brand. Whereas things like The Singleton has just really taken off there. Some of that is just consumer preferences and getting the right campaigns and getting the right energy behind it, but it's not been sort of a preference for one or another. It's just, I think The Singleton and some of our single malt work has really taken off. We know we just have more work to do on Johnnie Walker Black, but there's great things in store for that.

We do feel great about how we've got that, structured right now.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

James.

Speaker 17

I'm gonna have another go at getting you not to forecast the U.S. Ivan, at the first half results, said that he expected the U.S. to grow mid-single digit in the second half, and Diageo to do at least as well as that. I'm paraphrasing, it was something like that. That obviously doesn't account for the trade loading comps, would you stand by that comment now? The second point is on the minimizing use of glass. Just looking at the slide behind you, clearly, glass plays quite an important role in premiumization. What's your philosophy when the sort of, I guess, the environmental imperative comes up against the branding imperative?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

I think we'll take the glass one first, so we can think about how we're gonna not answer your first one. Cristina, do you wanna talk a little bit about glass? Because we've done a lot of work on glass and environmental sustainability.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Look, we've done a lot of work in understanding packaging in Scotch and in other categories, frankly, and the role that the bottle actually plays in communicating with consumers effectively. And you're right. Traditionally, bigger and more, I suppose, heavier, content or bottles would be equated with greater quality. When you look at the actual weight of our bottles, it just incremental like that. We've done a lot of work through our categories to define, and I mentioned earlier, what are the pathways that we have chosen, and lightweighting bottles is a real one. We have a path to actually lightweight the bottles in general, with the specific front lines per, kind of price point.

Also, I think, importantly, we have an innovation team, and within that innovation team, we've created what we call a breakthrough innovation team that is looking at both luxury and sustainability, and I think interestingly, at the juxtaposition of these two ideas. I cannot reveal anything to you today, other than we think that given how consumers are feeling about sustainability in general, we have understood what % of consumers are now willing to pay more for products and brands that have sustainability at their heart, and that can explain and talk about that fluently. We see that that %, even though it's not enormously large right now, is shifting, and we expect that it will continue. For that reason, that's what led us to create these groups that I just referenced.

We do think that there are some very, very interesting ways to actually put forward products that combine both. It's actually lightweighting containers, packaging, but at the same time provide luxury cues. There's some beautiful work that I suppose we will be able to share with you sometime.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

We do have a lot of partnerships as well. I mean, aside from lightweighting, there, you know, because there's a lot you can do technology-wise, we're constantly. You would have seen some of the things we just announced, the Encirc partnership, that's gonna be around getting a hydrogen furnace here in the UK. That is, I think it's gonna be 200,000. I'm looking over. There's people over here that really know. It's something like 200,000 bottles that are gonna be able to come off of this hydrogen furnace, and that's in combination with actually some other companies, as well as this company called Encirc.

Some of these things through partnerships and other things, there's a lot of people trying to figure out this glass, and how to really get decarbonized glass. We're certainly looking at that, and we've got a lot of innovation streams. What's exciting about it, these are projects that aren't just about decarbonizing, but also, in many cases, are saving us money. And help us do, you know, great things with consumers as well. You know, I don't want you to think about it just as things that are gonna necessarily cost us more. We actually are finding some very interesting pathways through that are good for us in multiple parts of the business and help mitigate a risk.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

I'll take the second part, the first part of your question. I think, you know, when we reported results, and Ivan was talking about it, I think the part that we really want to focus on is what's happening with the consumer. Because at the core, that's what we have, that's what's gonna really drive value to our business that... and as well as to our investor base. If you look at what's happening with the consumer in the US, we are seeing that, you know, we do anticipate that consumer, that, and Debra talked about it, we're already starting to see it in Nielsen, you know, where category growth, consumption growth is coming back to that mid-single digit growth framework, right? Which historically was where the category was growing.

We anticipated that this would come back to that 4%-6% mid-single digit growth from a category perspective, right when we put out our medium-term guidance back in November 2021, you know. This isn't something that's been surprising to us or, you know, that we didn't anticipate. We are seeing that come back to that rate, and that's where I think we really need to be focused. As Debra mentioned, there's a lot of noise in the system from the prior years simply because, you know, the growth rates so outstripped anything anybody had expected, inventory levels through fiscal 2021, through the entire chain, our inventories, our distributor inventories, retailer inventories, everything was incredibly depleted. You saw it in our results.

When we posted results in the end of fiscal 2021, we were talking about shortages of bottles, shortages of Crown Royal, shortages of Bulleit. I mean, pretty much everything was. You know, there was some kind of a shortage in the supply chain and everything. That got recovered through fiscal 2022. You know, and again, it happened at different times for different brands. There is a lot of lumpiness in the past, but what we really focus on is where is the consumer? What we're seeing there is really, I think it's really good from a category perspective. You're seeing consumers moving out of beer and wine into spirits. That is continuing to happen. You're seeing premiumization continuing.

The growth rates of all of it has slowed down versus the past few years, but it's still the category is definitely premiumizing. You know, the from category health perspective, it's, I think we're seeing what we anticipated to see.

Nadim?

Nadim Rizk
CEO and CIO, PineStone Asset Management

Thank you. This is Nadim Rizk from PineStone Asset Management. Two questions related. I understand the Scotch category is obviously doing really well, or the whiskey category. Within that, our perception is that, again, single malt is kind of really sexy now, and blend is not so sexy anymore, for whatever reason. I think spirits go through these sort of long-term cycles where, as you said, tequila is now really sexy and really hot, and some other stuff is not. You're clearly a sort of a blend Scotch company. That's one.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yeah.

Nadim Rizk
CEO and CIO, PineStone Asset Management

Love your comment there. The other question is, within blend, when we look at what's actually really hot Sorry, within the single malt, you know, we get things like The Macallan, Glenfiddich, Glenmorangie, Balvenie. There's not a lot of Diageo brands that are sort of showing as, you know, really strong, and that's maybe because you're really, at the core, a blend Scotch company. I'd love your comments on both, and this is maybe just a North American perspective or perception that's maybe not the case globally.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Maybe before you jump in, Debra, just facts, like past four years, our Scotch compounded average annual growth rate has been 9% in value. From a volume perspective, it's been 4%. Our business, you know, irrespective of what's hot or not hot, seems very hot to me.

Yeah.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

In North America, so just focusing on that, within Scotch, Diageo is gaining share. We're up over the last three years, almost 320 basis points within Scotch. That growth is not just happening on Johnnie Walker, it's actually happening on Buchanan. Yes, another blend, but also our single malt portfolio is also growing. Really behind, what's different is you don't see the Singleton as much in the US. That is a brand that heat and energy has really been generated over in Asia and has come into Europe.

You're not seeing as much of that in North America, but, like, Lagavulin this year, if you're an Islay malt guy, then you would definitely be seeing kind of heat behind that, as well as Talisker doing really well, and Oban. To be quite honest, on things like Oban, we are, we're quite short on liquid. There in the US, if you want to go buy that, you need to get out and buy it when it comes out. But, you know, look, we certainly have more of a blended portfolio, and part of this is Johnnie Walker, which we just see so much opportunity in. You know, we do make decisions.

We could do more malts and less blended, and I think if we saw less opportunity in blended, we might very well do that. I think we do still see a lot of opportunity in blended, and we do see that that's hot, and we do see also the single malt opportunity. I would argue that we see both. Certainly, Johnnie Walker has had some real excitement across the globe, because the other thing I would remind is just the broad-based nature of it. It's not just Latin America, it's not India, it's not just the U.S., it is Europe. It is literally across all of our regions. If you looked at our first half results, Scotch was growing in every single one of those regions.

Actually, the, you know, the latest IWSR data really does show, also that broad base, behind Scotch, which is why we have you here.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

You were the last.

Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

I was going to say one more thing, maybe, just kind of to complement that idea. When you engage with consumers around the world, consumers don't think that way. That's manufacturer's language. Consumers think brands. No one thinks of Johnnie Walker as a blend. Actually, we spend a lot of time here, you will see, explaining to people that it is a blend of the finest single malts in Scotland. We have to explain the concept of blending. It's not obvious to people. They don't necessarily know, you know, the details of that. Consumers are really keen in engaging with a brand. On Johnnie Walker, for example, as I said earlier, it's a 2 billion GBP NSV brand. It's very large. Certainly, if you think about...

We were talking about China earlier and Johnnie Walker Blue Label. Johnnie Walker Blue Label wins over single malts, you know, in many occasions, for various reasons, but one of them is, it's truly seen as a luxury icon. The reason why people are attracted for that, by that brand, is that it competes in that context. Certainly, as I mentioned earlier, you know, the Singleton, Debra just said, it's an Asia focus. That's where it was first launched. It's now expanded. We see that growth now in Europe. It's exciting, and we see that there is, you know, more opportunity to that. You know, you look at IWSR, you will see, you mentioned a few single malts brand. Actually, Singleton is the number fourth of your list, globally.

Nadim Rizk
CEO and CIO, PineStone Asset Management

...like even Kilchoman, which essentially, and I don't know if I'm pronouncing it well, but didn't even exist or hardly existed 10 years ago, and now is also a really hot brand. I wonder if it's a lot easier to break into single malt now that it's such a hot category, and there's potentially more new entrants into the business.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

There are a lot of brands, certainly.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yeah.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

You know, it's hard to be new. The only thing I would say is be careful on sort of new entry. Like, it's hard to sort of enter into a scotch category where you're aged. Most of this is quite aged, so new entrants don't just really pop up.

Nadim Rizk
CEO and CIO, PineStone Asset Management

No, that's exactly why I'm asking, because the perception is Scotch has barriers, it's really hard, you have to age it.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah. Yeah.

Nadim Rizk
CEO and CIO, PineStone Asset Management

You get a brand like this out of nowhere that's now kind of becoming big. It's like, are we missing something?

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

I mean, we have examples, and one of the brands that I did not talk about today, but.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Mortlach.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Is Mortlach.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

The brand is long-standing, of course, but we relaunched it in 2018, and we have seen really, you know, very positive perception. We very purposefully wanted to position it as a luxury brand. A lot of focus on Asia, because, as we discussed, it's a, you know, it's an important market for us, where we're looking for greater growth, and it's been incredibly well received. Now, you know, we're thinking about how do we see it elsewhere.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

We have markets fighting over Mortlach.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yes.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

As we had Debra's request.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Sample it tonight at dinner.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Okay.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yes.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

Celine, last question from Celine, please.

Celine Pannuti
Managing Director, JPMorgan

Thank you. Thank you. Celine Pannuti, JP Morgan. I have two questions, one on whisky and one on the U.S., to round it up. On whisky, Deb, you said that some of the data point is the expectation of a 6% growth for Scotch whisky going forward. It seems from the investment that you were alluding to in terms of the inventories, but as well as some of what we've seen in the capacity increase, that we've seen in some of your distillery, that you have, you are looking for an acceleration. Am I right to believe in that, to read that you are looking at an acceleration in your Scotch whisky growth, and where will that acceleration come from?

The second one on the US, you were mentioning the consumer. We've seen one data, one month data, in instant being better, at the same time, other companies are warning on the US consumer. People are more cautious about maybe higher price point, even in spirit. Beyond just normalization, how are you anticipating maybe a weakening consumer environment more on a 6-12 month basis?

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

I'll take the second one, and then we can talk about the whiskey. I think what you're hearing from some others, and I mentioned this briefly, you know, it depends upon where your portfolio is arrayed, really, against the spirit consumer right now. We are seeing the bottles above $100, this luxury end, you know, is definitely slowing down from where it had been growing in kind of the super cycle timeframe. It is still growing, though. I think while slowing down in growth, it is still growing. That is not true. If you get kind of mainstream and below, that is really where you're seeing a lot of price competition. That's where you're seeing actually some negative price mix.

You're actually seeing positive volume, but negative price mix. That's where, unless you break this down by price tier, you know, I think it's very easy to take away different, you know, different viewpoints. Also, remembering that this base is lumpy. That's why one month, you know, you kind of see, oh, hey, this is coming back, and then it's like, oh, I'm not so sure. You know, I think there is just a lot of noise in that, but I think if you look at this across... You know, we tend to look at NABCA a little more than Nielsen, just because it is more all-inclusive of all channels.

I think that's where you see a little bit more of kind of this trend, you know, back and forth, because that picks up sort of things like on-premise, which have stayed really, you know, pretty resilient through this. We've always said, you know, recession, we're not recession-proof. You know, we're resilient, but we're not recession-proof. When you think about the next 16 or whatever months that you know, clearly, you know, recession aside is sort of at, you know, as we're talking about it. We are seeing that a very resilient consumer that does purchase the brands. Remember, this, we're not purchase that frequently.

It is, you know, a few bottles a year, and you're purchasing these for celebrations, for gifts, and so it's still quite an affordable, you know, luxury, as you would say. Because of that, there is a lot of resiliency in that, and that's kind of what we're seeing, and it does bear out in the data that we're seeing right now. The 6% IWSR.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

Yeah.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah.

Lavanya Chandrashekar
Chief Financial Officer, Diageo

We're definitely seeing that, you know, Scotch is hot, right? You saw it in the numbers today. We definitely do believe there is an opportunity for Scotch to continue to recruit consumers. Especially when you look at it from a lens of, you know, emerging markets, Latin America, Asia, India, there's definitely opportunity for us to use Scotch as a way to recruit more consumers into spirits, and then within the spirits framework, to premiumize the category as well. Do we expect that it will grow ahead of total beverage alcohol growth? Yes, I do believe we expect that it will grow ahead of TBA as it recruits more consumers into the category.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

I think we're out of time, unfortunately. If I could request that all of you look at your name badges. Anybody with a red dot will. After Debra closes with her remarks, if you could step outside, and those with a blue dot, please remain. Debra, I'll turn it over to you.

Debra Crew
COO, Diageo

Yeah. Just, you know, in closing, I want to leave you with Diageo's competitive edge, which hopefully you've had a chance to see some of that today. It's our people and our culture. My colleagues, all 28,000 across the globe, are driven by our purpose, our performance ambition, and our commitment to make the right decisions today to ensure that we deliver sustainable long-term growth. Thank you again for joining us.

Cristina Diezhandino
CMO, Diageo

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