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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Aug 10, 2023

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

I think we're all here. Good morning, welcome to the Derwent London 2023 interim results presentation. Probably also could say welcome to the summer at last. Anyway, today you will hear from Damian, Nigel, Emily, and me. I shall wrap up with Q&A. Now, turning to slide two and the overview. Today, we've announced further letting progress at 25 Baker Street and Featherstone. We're seeing good demand for our distinctive brand of space, pre-letting continues. London is a great city, I'm sure you've all seen how busy it is. The breadth and depth of its appeal ensures it stands apart from other cities around the world. London, particularly the West, the West End, face an increasing shortfall of high-quality offices. Businesses are fully engaged with our occupational strategies. We delivered near-record leasing activity in H1.

Having pre-let 50% of our major on-site development at 25 Baker Street to PIMCO in February, Moelis has now taken two floors. The commercial space is 76% pre-let or pre-sold some 18 months ahead of completion. As well as securing two very high-quality tenants on long leases, they're paying a substantial 13% premium on average to December's ERV. Emily will provide further details. It's not just pre-lets where we've had success. Good, good progress has been made reducing vacancy. At June, it was 4.5%, nearly 2% below December. You can see on slide two the other key leasing transactions. The economic backdrop for the U.K. remains uncertain, whilst the July, July inflation data injected some optimism into financial markets, there's still more progress to be made with central banks continuing to raise interest rates.

We expect some volatility to continue, both economically and politically. Operationally, we are letting well to new occupiers and have a very strong retention rate. Derwent London started 2023 well-positioned. We have low leverage and less than GBP 100 million of medium-term refinancing requirements. Fixed-price construction contracts have now been agreed for both of our on-site development projects. Combined with our low cost of debt, we're delivering attractive returns from these schemes. Our equivalent yield increased 25 basis points in the first half to 5.13%. With inflation and interest rate expectations continuing to evolve, we expect our portfolio to be more resilient than the wider market, with the West End to outperform the City.

Portfolio valuation, ERV growth of H1 was 1%, it was in line with our guidance, which we are leaving unchanged to 0% to +3% as an average across our portfolio. We expect better quality buildings to deliver higher growth. Turning now to slide three. Our clear strategy means we are well positioned. In 2021, we outlined our intention to keep our modern prime buildings for longer, in addition to supporting a higher total return, this has also ensured we stayed ahead of the EPC curve. Over 65% of our portfolio is already 2030 compliant. Our long 7.2-year average lease length gives us good visibility on income, enhancing our strong position and giving us additional capacity to push ahead with our deep pipeline of best-in-class developments and refurbishments, which, whilst maintaining high interest cover.

72% of our portfolio in the West End is in the West End, and our on-site and medium-term developments will increase this weighting further. Occupiers place considerable importance on amenity. Our lounge at DL 78 has been very well received and has played an important role in several leasing and asset management transactions. We look forward to the opening of our second lounge in Old Street later in H2. Our member approach, on which Emily will provide more details later, is an important brand differentiator for Derwent, as is our bespoke approach to flex. We are well-placed to continue delivering above-average returns over the long term. Our unique brand of distinctive design-led buildings are in demand. London is a vibrant global city that has delivered a strong performance over the longer term. Economically, it comprises nearly a quarter of UK GDP, which contributes to a positive employment outlook.

Job creation is an important driver of office demand. Businesses across London, unlike other major cities, represent a diverse range of sectors and industries, supported by its world-class infrastructure. The planning regime across London is getting tighter, Our long-term relationship with the boroughs, as well as our reputation and expertise, allows us to navigate a more complex world. Combined with increasing cost of finance and construction, the choice for occupiers is shrinking. The trend towards occupier recentralization is causing further market tightness. The opening of the Elizabeth line has led to a significant positive impact on transport connectivity. Office market rents along the line have outperformed, and more than 80% of our portfolio is within a 10-minute walk of an Elizabeth line station.

The London office market is continuing to bifurcate as businesses increasingly recognize the many benefits of occupying the best space for their existing and, of course, future talent. It is important to be aware of averages. Supply is tighter, and demand is stronger in the West End when compared to the City. Capital out, capital allocation on slide five. We take a strategic and long-term approach to capital allocation. Since 2018, our principal focus has been on improving the overall quality of the portfolio, and we've sold GBP 900 million of assets with lower repositioning potential and have recycled proceeds into developments and refurbishments, which have delivered attractive returns. Over the coming months, we anticipate an increase in number of motivated sellers as lenders take a more cautious approach on refinancing. Our preference is to acquire future repositioning opportunities.

Our experienced management team has seen many cycles. We have a deep pipeline of regeneration opportunities, and combined with our balance sheet capacity, means we are neither a forced buyer nor a forced seller. We remain disciplined in our approach to capital allocation. Thank you, and now I hand over to Damian to take you through the financial results.

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Thank you, Paul. Good morning, everyone. Looking first at our financial highlights on slide seven. EPRA NTA per share declined 5.2% in the first half to GBP 0.3444, mainly due to further outward yield shift in the property valuation. Gross rents were up 3.9% to GBP 105.9 million. Higher irrecoverable property costs have seen net rents fall to GBP 90.9 million, giving a 7% drop in EPRA earnings per share compared to H1 2022. We'll look in more detail at the reasons for this later, as some of these costs should reduce in H2. We're increasing the interim dividend again, this time by 2.1% to GBP 0.245 per share. The balance sheet remains very strong with a high level of liquidity.

Borrowings and net debt were almost unchanged from the year-end, though the EPRA LTV ratio has increased slightly to 25% on the lower valuations. The movement in EPRA NTA is shown on Slide eight. As you can see, the main change from last time is a downward revaluation movement, equivalent to 178 pence per share on the wholly owned portfolio and 4 pence per share on the Fifty Baker Street joint venture. Slide nine shows EPRA earnings. As mentioned earlier, gross rental income has increased with additional income from Soho Place and Featherstone. However, with higher average vacancy rates through H1, property expenditure was up to GBP 13 million in the first half. Higher staff costs have also taken admin expenses to GBP 19.2 million, and net finance costs also increased to GBP 19.6 million.

This was because capitalized interest was GBP 2 million below H1 2022, with cumulative expenditure on the major projects much lower this year. Rent collection remains very strong overall, but we've taken a cautious view on the economic outlook and increased impairment provisions against receivables, mainly in relation to hospitality and gym operators. There was a corresponding charge of GBP 1.9 million in the period against a release last time of GBP 0.5 million. Slide 10 shows the movements in gross rents. Developments and refurbishments increased rents by GBP 6.3 million, with asset management adding GBP 2.9 million compared to H1 2022. Breaks and expiries reduced rent by GBP 2.6 million, but 0.9 of this came from emptying the network building for redevelopment. Disposals of New River Yard and Charterhouse Street also decreased rents by GBP 2.6 million.

On a like-for-like basis, gross rental income is up, but the higher irrecoverable property costs and impairments meant that net rental income was down a little. Slide 11 shows how property costs have moved over the last year or so. Our average vacancy rate was roughly 2% higher through the first half of 2023, which took void costs to GBP 2.4 million, though they were lower than in the second half of 2022. Lettings made recently at the Soho Place retail and office floors at Featherstone and elsewhere should see this reduce further in the future. Exceptional energy costs through the last winter also triggered some service charge caps. Unusually, we've also seen GBP 1.1 million of balancing charges from 2022 reflected in the first half as service charge reconciliations were completed.

Repair costs were up, too, and ground rents reflected the regear at Soho Place in H1 2022. Slide 12 shows the GBP 69 million of 1st half project expenditure allocated across the balance sheet. The main projects incurred GBP 56 million of CapEx, mainly at 25 Baker Street and Network. GBP 7.2 million was spent on the residential units for sale at Baker Street, which are held as trading property, with a further GBP 1.9 million on the commercial space to be sold to the freeholder on completion. Future expected CapEx is on slide 13. Almost all of these costs are now fixed, with about GBP 100 million expected to be incurred in the 2nd half. EPC upgrade costs are estimated at GBP 100 million after the sale of Charterhouse Street in January and taking account of cost inflation in the period.

GBP 51.6 million was a specific deduction in the external June valuation, with further allowances there for general floor-by-floor refurbishments. Slide 14 shows our usual pro forma, taking account of the GBP 294 million cost to build out the committed major projects, plus sales and lettings contracted up to June. The required spend is covered by available facilities, leverage remains modest. Slide 15. A strong balance sheet has rarely been more important. At the half year, we had liquidity of GBP 562 million, a weighted average unexpired debt term of 5.6 years, low leverage, and strong interest cover. 98% of our borrowings were at fixed rates, plus we retain an unused GBP 75 million interest rate swap of 1.36% until April 2025.

Uncharged properties total GBP 4.4 billion, available as potential security for any future secured borrowings. These characteristics enabled Fitch to reaffirm our credit rating in May as BBB+, with a stable outlook, the senior unsecured rating being A-. All our debt covenants are very comfortably covered, relationships with our lenders remain very good indeed. Thank you very much, now over to Nigel.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

Thank you, Damian. Good morning. Who's got the... Who's doing the- Thank you. The leasing market has remained buoyant, as shown by our H1 activity. The flight to quality space continued, with both demand and rents holding up. This was not enough to offset the weak investment market. Here, there was lower turnover, with buyers concerned at the level of interest rates and the limited funding availability. The outcome was a further upward yield movement in the first half. This translated into valuation declines of 3.7%, or roughly half the figure we saw in H2 last year. Within the valuation, our developments continue to deliver good performances and profits on the back of construction progress and pre-letting well ahead of completion. They were up 10.6%. Total property return for H1 was -2%.

This was, however, a beat against the MSCI London Index, which was -3.2%, and was driven mainly by our development returns. Looking at the theme, slide 18. The demand for quality space continues, as seen by our pre-letting activity at Baker Street. ERVs are positive but vary depending on quality of accommodation. The pace of rental growth is showing signs of accelerating. Having sold GBP 900 million of assets since 2018, we've somewhat reshaped the portfolio, holding our finished product for longer, yet remaining an important pipeline of opportunities. As shown on the chart, the better quality buildings are more resilient, and we expect this to continue. It is important to note that some of the lower value properties per sq ft are our projects for the future. These include Greencoat & Gordon House, 250 Euston Road, and 20 Farringdon Road.

Slide 19. Turning to a little more detail on rental value and yields. ERV across the portfolio, which mainly relate to rent reviews and lease expiries, were up 1%, offices were 1%, and retail at 1.3%. On yields, these moved out across the sector. We saw a 25 basis point movement on our EPRA portfolio, following a 42 basis point movement in H2 last year. Yields are now back to 2014 levels. Slide 20. Build up of ERV. Annualized rent is GBP 203.3 million, with a further GBP 43.3 million contracted under our leases. In terms of annualized accounting income, after allowing and spreading of rent freeze, this is GBP 208.5, as shown at the bottom of the chart. All the ERV to the right of this is still to come.

On-site developments at 25 Baker Street and Network, with both complete in 2025, could add GBP 32.4 million to the income. With the PIMCO letting earlier in the year, Moelis announced today, we're well ahead of target. Available space is 12.1 million, down 30% over the first half, this fed through to the lower vacancy rate. Overall, the portfolio's ERV is up slightly to GBP 305.6 million, even after stripping out disposals, which had an ERV of just under GBP 4 million. Investment activity, slide 21. We continue to sell less growth properties, with GBP 65 million of sales. The main disposal was 19 Charterhouse Street to a family office. Whilst there is refurbishment potential here from 2025, this is relatively a small project. There were no acquisitions.

Investment outlook, slide 22. Investment liquidity this year has been a lot lower than the long-term average, with the market in a wait and see mode. U.K. lenders have limited appetite for new loans to real estate, giving equity buyers the edge. Consequently, activity is focused on sub-GBP 100 million lots and mainly in the West End. The implications of near-term refinancings are starting to work through the system. We are aware of several short-term loan extensions that have been secured by owners, only, where there is a clear asset management plan. Banks are being very selective. Anecdotally, the agents are talking about an increase in the number of properties being prepared for sale for H2. As the number of motivated sellers rises over the next 12 months, there should be greater clarity on pricing and potential opportunities for us to buy.

Now, finally, an update on sustainability. To enable a better focus on our energy performance, we've now rolled out our intelligent building technology across seven buildings. This is about 30% of the portfolio by floor area, and we are collecting meaningful data. This gives us detailed patterns on energy uses, usage. The next steps are to use analytics to achieve integrated efficiencies across buildings to produce energy savings. We're pleased with how this program is going. In Scotland, we've now received the full consent for our solar park. This could provide about 40% of our electricity used by our managed portfolio in London. This is a great message for our occupiers. It'll also take us and a step closer to net zero carbon, as it will reduce our operational carbon footprint by about 30%.

The aim is to be operational in about 18 months. Embodied carbon is an important consideration in all our developments. Both our on-site developments are within the target range of less than 600 kilograms per square meter. We continue to challenge all the design team on these and work on our future pipeline. Thank you. Now, Emily.

Emily Prideaux
Executive Director, Derwent London

Thank you, Nigel. Now to the occupational market. Slide 26. Take-up across London slowed through the first half. Set against this, however, space under offer increased by 50%, and businesses are certainly engaged with their longer-term occupational strategies. Demand is strong, with a wide variety of different sectors represented. As the flight to quality continues, particularly for larger businesses, pre-lets continue to be an important part of the market, representing nearly a third of space currently under offer. We expect this trend to continue for reasons I'll outline on the next few slides. Slide 27. A key challenge occupiers face is low supply. Overall vacancy across the market is elevated, as occupier requirements become ever more discerning, an increasing proportion of the available space doesn't make the grade. Availability is not evenly spread.

The vacancy rate in the West End is sub 4%, one-third of the level in the City, and over a quarter of that in the Docklands. Despite a spike in deliveries in 2023, looking ahead, the development pipeline remains constrained. 45% of the pipeline is already pre-let, only 6.9 million sq ft of speculative completions over the next four years in central London. This is equivalent to less than seven months of supply, based on the longer-term take-up levels. A similar shortage can be seen in both the West End and the City. Looking at occupier strategies on slide 28. There's been a clear shift in the narrative from employers and leadership teams over the last six months. Agile working is here to stay, and indeed, forward-thinking businesses had embraced it well before the pandemic.

Increasingly, agile working means more time in the office than elsewhere. This slide summarizes press reports on a variety of companies' occupational strategies. Importantly, we found little evidence of businesses planning a future with remote-only working practices. A recent report by Knight Frank found that 87% of the 357 global companies it surveyed expect to have an office-centric organizational work style, supporting our own experience that occupiers continue to plan for peak occupancy. As time goes on, the importance of the office environment for a business's culture, its development and training of talent, as well as its overall collective productivity, is being proven. Now, looking at slide 29. Over the two years since COVID, 74% of central London take-up has been occupiers expanding their floor plates. Looking forward, we expect this to continue.

Our occupier survey from January found 80% of those surveyed expect their floor space requirements to increase or remain the same over the next five years. Knight Frank had a similar response at 77% of those surveyed over the next three years. Now, turning to our own leasing activity. The first half of 2023 was our second strongest H1 for lettings, with GBP 19.3 million of new rent signed, on average, 9% ahead of ERV and with an 11-year average term certain. This included our first major pre-let of 106,000 sq ft to PIMCO at 25 Baker Street in February. I'm pleased to say that momentum has carried on into the second half, with a further GBP 7 million of new leases signed over the last six weeks, 11% ahead of December ERV.

25 Baker Street is now 76% pre-let or pre-sold, with Moelis signing up for 50,000 sq ft at a healthy 10% to the June ERV. In addition, Featherstone is 70% let, with Tide signing up for 15,000 sq ft in line with the ERV. We also had a successful period for asset management, slide 31, with GBP 11.7 million of reviews, renewals, and re-gears, completing nearly 5% ahead of ERV. Our retention reletting rate was very strong, and at 86% in H1, is back to pre-COVID levels. Combined with new leases, vacancy reduced to 4.5% through the first half from 6.4% at December. We have good visibility on expiry profile, and as Paul will touch on later, some of those expiries provide great opportunity for good value uplifts through refurbishment.

Now moving on to our brand and product differentiators. With so much discussion over the last few years around the office, whilst perhaps an obvious statement, it's important to note that not all offices are the same. I therefore want to highlight just some of the key areas which make us, our buildings, and our brand different. We're very confident in our product, which is focused on truly innovative, best-in-class design, tangible customer-focused service and amenity, as well as a considered portfolio approach to flex. Our distinctive design-led spaces are focused on the people that occupy them. Through innovative design and high-quality materials, we continually push boundaries to create architecturally striking buildings and workspace. Sustainability is embedded throughout. As you've heard from Nigel, implementation of our intelligent buildings program continues across the portfolio, and the occupier market is seeing the value in our integrated portfolio approach in this regard.

Looking at our customer focus, service, and amenity, slide 35. Derwent's offer extends well beyond the bricks and mortar. Customer service and our member approach is integral. Any individual working in our buildings is considered a member with tangible benefits accessible to them, an important factor in attraction and retention. With dedicated customer teams, we maintain strong relationships with our occupiers at all levels. The second of our lounges, DL, lounges, DL 28, will open this autumn in our Old Street village, following very positive feedback from our occupiers on DL 78. This portfolio amenity is available to and highly valued by both our existing members and potential occupiers. On flex, slide 36. We don't take a one-size-fits-all approach to flex. Rather, we tailor space to meet market demand across the board.

Our buildings are designed to be flexible, our long-life, low-carbon approach means space is adaptable to the needs of a diverse range of occupiers. As well as leasing space to third-party serviced office providers, we offer a variety of furnished and flexible workspaces, each designed for the relevant submarket and at the right specification. This extends now to 128,000 sq ft. In total, flex accounts for just under 6% of our whole portfolio, in line with the London office market. Over to Paul on the pipeline.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Thank you, Emily. Turning to our on-site developments on slide 38. We're on site at two major West End projects, which together total 435,000 sq ft. At June, our appraisals show an attractive 17% profit on cost, up from 11% in December, and a 5.9% yield on cost. Of course, this does not factor in the further positive impact of the prelet to Moelis, which was signed in August at a substantial premium to ERV. 25 Baker Street in more detail. The superstructure is going up quickly. The main office block is now up to level seven and progressing at a rate of a floor every three weeks. The private residential block on the left has topped out. We're really pleased with the strength of demand and indicative pricing for the private residential units.

As well as being visually appealing, we're also delivering it responsibly. By using lower carbon methods of construction and materials, the embodied carbon footprint has been managed down to 600 kilos of carbon per square meter. On completion, we are targeting BREEAM Outstanding and a NABERS UK rating of 4.5 stars or better. You'll now see a short video, which highlights the quality of the space and materials, as well as the amenity of this beautiful net zero carbon development. The Hopkins Design scheme occupies a unique island site in the heart of The Portman Estate in Marylebone. It provides a mix of best-in-class office space, much-needed new retail and F&B units, set in a beautifully landscaped courtyard, plus residential.

In keeping with the distinctive design approach, the facades incorporate a range of luxurious materials, including Portland stone and precast concrete, which complement the generous rooftop terraces and shared amenity. You can now see why both PIMCO and Moelis have chosen 25 Baker Street for their new headquarters. Let's turn to Network. This Piercy&Company designed office-led scheme sits in the core of Fitzrovia Village, and it's a short walk from the Tottenham Court Road and Elizabeth line, one of London's busiest stations. While early days, construction is running on budget and on time, with completion targeted for H2 2025. Fitzrovia is one of the most supply-constrained submarkets in the West End, giving us confidence in the leasing prospects for this best-in-class building, which also benefits from its close proximity to DL 78.

Network is a generous and highly sustainable development designed to provide occupiers with the best blank canvas for which they can project their brand. The reception provides an impressive double-height entrance. Combined with a large rooftop terrace, the building has significant amenity. Network has also been designed with sustainability at its core. It will be all electric, and we're targeting a minimum of NABERS UK rating of 4.5 stars or above and BREEAM Outstanding, and our embodied carbon estimate is 530 kilograms of carbon per square meter. Our future development pipeline is well stocked. The next phase of West End projects, which are expected to start from 2024, total 390,000 sq ft. Fifty Baker Street, our 50/50 joint venture with Lazari Investments, will deliver best-in-class office space to the Marylebone sub-market.

Following the leasing success at 25 Baker Street opposite, given the favorable imbalance between demand and supply, we are confident this building will be successful. At Holden House in Oxford Street, we are finalizing the refresh of our plans to increase the office content of this heritage building. Of course, in the longer term, our project, Old Street Quarter and 230 Blackfriars Road on the South Bank, have potential to deliver nearly 1 million sq ft of mixed-use space that will help continue the regeneration of both sub-markets. Now to rolling refurbishments. Derwent has long been recognized for our creative approach to refurbishment. As we outlined with our full year results, refurbishments will form an increased element of our overall CapEx over the coming years.

EPC work will be incorporated into broader asset and amenity upgrades to ensure that we deliver sustainable space that appeals to occupiers. As you can see on this slide, we expect this activity to result in substantial rental uplifts. To summarize, London is busy, and it's expected to continue to deliver attractive long-term growth. The occupational market is strong for the right product. The tight planning and lending environment are causing some developers to defer schemes, leading to a muted supply-side response. Combined with an already constrained supply of high-quality space, the level of pre-letting is rising as occupiers become ever more discerning. The office remains central to the vast majority of businesses, and we've seen more occupiers expanding their floor space than contracting. The investment market is expected to remain subdued in the near term, as potential investors adopt a wait and see approach.

We remain opportunistic should attractively priced deals emerge, but do not need to buy, given the returns we expect to deliver from existing pipeline. In the West End, supply is tight, development pipeline is more constrained, and there is less leverage. We therefore expect a stronger rental growth and more resilient yield outlook over the medium term. Derwent is a clearly recognizable brand, established through many years of consistent delivery of space that exceeds occupier requirements. In the year to date, we have delivered a near-record leasing performance and encouraged by momentum across our business. The macro environment has been impacting sentiment, particularly over the last 12 months, with high inflation and corresponding interest rates leading to yield expansion. Our clear and consistent strategy means we are well-positioned with a strong balance sheet and a high-quality portfolio. We're going to take Q&A now.

I think we've got some microphones, in the room, and then we will move over to the telephone lines and the webcast. I'm delighted to take some questions. Max?

Speaker 10

I'll go first. Max, Numis. Just on 25 Baker Street, that's now 75% pre-let, so that's substantially de-risked. How do you think about that leasing strategy going forward, given how tight the market is looking? You know, will you look to pre-let more or hold off until completion to try and get, try and get that, that higher rent?

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Well, for my part, I'd like to be a bit greedier, even greedier. 2025, we can see some good rental growth. If someone comes along, a great covenant, and is prepared to pay a decent rent, if you look at the rents that Emily and the team have achieved well ahead of our ERVs, then I think we, we can hold out if we want to. I think we've got, what, 50,000 square feet potentially left? I think my view is if, if we've got someone or pay a retail rent, then good. Otherwise, we're, we can afford to wait. Emily, would you like to add anything to that?

Emily Prideaux
Executive Director, Derwent London

Yeah. We've got, we've got the PIMCO option on, on the fourth floor, which runs until November. We've got either GBP 25 K or GBP 50 K left until that point. I think if you look at, how we've delivered on, on the lower floors, the option floor is at 95, and the more recent lettings are at 100. I think we're planning to continue in the same vein and be patient.

Speaker 10

Great, thank you. Just 1 other follow-up. On the rolling refurbishments, what's your kind of target yield on, on cost for, for that?

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

That, that's a very good question. I mean, they are rolling refurbishments, so each project will, will have a different return, depending on how big it is. Nigel?

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

I mean, our developments are yielding about, around about 6% before we start you know, progressing rent. Our current developments are, I think, 5.9%, but if we achieve some more rental growth, it'll probably push above 6%. You're in that sort of ball, you know, the ballpark. The question really is how much CapEx, you know, how much CapEx do these need in terms of repositioning? Most of them have got sort of GBP 20+ uplift potential in them, which would probably create GBP 500-600 of end value. You know, less CapEx and timing, so, you know, and they're all, they're exceptional locations, so they're on crossrail.

Speaker 10

Great. Thank you.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Thanks. Please.

Callum Marley
Assistant VP, Kolytics

Callum Marley from Kolytics. Just looking at slide two to start with, where you kind of comment that renewals and new lettings are being signed at around 8% or high single digits above ERV, but you're still guiding to that 0%-3% ERV range. Can you comment on why there's a disconnect there, please?

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

I think firstly, to make the point, it's an average across the portfolio. Obviously some other parts of the portfolio are opportunities for the future. In some respects, what we will be doing is doing short-term lettings, maybe occasionally be below ERV to keep the income going. It's an average across the portfolio. You'll see some outperformance on it. I always take a view that I'd rather be sensible with the outlook rather than be overpromising. We're up, I think, +1%. We tend to beat our guidance rather than underperform. I'd like to continue doing that. I have to say, I feel confident about the portfolio. We have sold well. We've also kept the better assets.

I think if you look at the possible refurbishments, I think they will guide. I think what you're seeing is we're trying to be sensible about where we are on guidance. I say, it's an average valuation ERV. It's not headline rents, and obviously, you can see the headlines go up quite substantially. Nigel, do you want to add to anything there?

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

Yeah, I mean, the only thing I'd add is that we've got a vacancy rate of, what, say, it was about 4%. You're talking about 90 odd percent of the portfolio. This is still, you know, GBP 11 million, still a relatively small sample. The other thing is quite a lot of rent reviews. You know, it's a lot harder to do a rent review than do a letting. If you've got a lease renewal outside the act, you can pay a, you know, be a bit tougher on it. Rent reviews is a lot more technically... It's, it is harder to achieve than if you're letting space in the market.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

I, I think what's also positive, we know we'll be keeping the better assets for longer. If you look at where the valuation performance compared to the-.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

Yeah

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

... to this, what you could, might call the tail, you know, they're only down one and a bit %, and I think again, you'll probably see some good ERV there. It's a guidance for, for this year, and obviously, the world has been a little bit unhappy, but, we're not unhappy. We're very positive.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

I'd probably just, you know. Those refurbishing opportunities there, until you actually do the job on them, you know, the ERVs are gonna just probably plateau, until you spend the CapEx and drive, drive the rents forward. The values at the moment are not building that project in until you can sort of commit to it or you have visibility in what the tenant's going to do. That's probably holding, that's holding it back a bit.

Callum Marley
Assistant VP, Kolytics

That's great. Thank you. Then just turning to the back, slide 94, if that's okay.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

94, blimey.

Callum Marley
Assistant VP, Kolytics

It's kind of the developments on-site, profit on cost. If you look at the table, I think it's 17% on development, 25% in a good case. What are the profit and costs that you are likely to require on new developments, going forward, especially given that you're trading at around a 20% discount to GAV and, and assuming no risk?

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Well, we, we normally target a sort of 15% profit on cost and something like a development yield rate, the high fives, early six. Obviously, as of December, valuations have gone down, so your development returns at sites with it had come down. If you look at, but obviously, you can see the effect of a pre-letting, it takes your profit on cost quite substantially. These obviously are pre Moelis, which will probably add a little bit more, a few more % onto that. Around the sort of 15%, would be enough for us to calculate, Damian?

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Yeah, but we certainly target a minimum of that. We normally find that because we're quite cautious in our assumptions, we build in void and a number of rather quite, quite low ERVs. We normally find through the course of the project, those returns improve, and that's one of the things we've demonstrated here today. When we last sat here in February, we were looking at 11% for these identical projects. Today, we're at 17. We're probably heading towards 20 after the latest pre-lets. We like to start with a number we think we can beat.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

It's probably just where, you know, these are Knight Frank's, you know, RICS valuations. They're not predicting. They are December or June numbers. They're not what you think you're gonna get in, in, in five, you know, two, three years' time. They are as, as at the time, but as Damian said, you know, progression, we've normally beaten, beaten the today valuation.

Callum Marley
Assistant VP, Kolytics

Then one more, if I may. just assuming you guys saw the news on, on WeWork yesterday, kind of what do you make of the news over the medium term and maybe some of the dynamics for traditional landlords over the more flexible, shorter lease?

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

I mean, we, we have flex within our portfolio, and it's doing very well. We, we've, we've got some partners, people like Fora, doing very well. We do our flex with furniture, where we're getting good premiums. Undoubtedly, it's here to stay. It's always represented about 6% of the, of the, of the market. It's probably represented a higher percentage of news than 6%. Let's see what happens. Obviously, there's been interesting stories over the years, there are other operators out there. If something happened, obviously, the occupiers there would have to find new space. What's interesting for us, and it supports our valuation, is we're getting decent long leases, 15-year leases, at our new developments. I think they, they, they have some value. You're gonna have a, have a range of things.

We'll have to see, wait to see. I think London has got a variety of, of, flex operators, and we'll, we'll have to see. Undoubtedly, we'll have some headlines, but for us, we're letting well for our best space.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

We don't have WeWork.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

We don't have them in our portfolio.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

We've never had them.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

I never have.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

Never, no.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Right.

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

Leave that.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Sorry. Yeah. Hi.

Ben Mitchard
Analyst, Société Générale

Hi, Ben Mitchard from Société Générale. You're seeing potential for acquisition opportunities, if I understand right, in the coming year or two. What might we expect there? What sort of return requirements have you got for those? Just in terms of a modeling perspective, what might we expect?

Nigel George
Executive Director, Derwent London

Yeah, it's only just starting. There's two or three buildings on the market that have come through in, in distress, actually. One of them is a WeWork building where the lease has been torn, torn up. I think it's very early days at the moment, but it's the start of the process of, of more stuff coming out. I mean, I ideally would like to buy our traditional stuff like a Blackfriars, where there's, you know, it's 60,000 sq ft now, and you can potentially go to 200. You know, that may be three or four years' time of... That's what we'd love, love to buy. Quite hard to find, but we have done it in the past, and we'll keep our eye on.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

... obviously, we have capacity, but obviously, we've got a big pipeline as well, which we're very excited about. I mean, we spend, what? GBP 200 million a year, Damian?

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Yeah, this is a time to have a good, strong balance sheet as well. We, we won't get carried away and go on a spending spree. I think, I think there is opportunity emerging, possibly even more so in a year than today. We're, we're looking, we're always interested. We're not in a rush. We're confident we will find very interesting opportunities over the next 18 months or so.

Ben Mitchard
Analyst, Société Générale

Just to follow up to that, what would be a sort of upper limit for loan-to-value that you'd be prepared to push to?

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Well, that's always an interesting question. We're at 25 today. We don't really want to go much into the 30s. I think 30 would be a level at which we would be starting to get concerned. We've always had a recycling business model. I think you saw on one of the slides, we've sold about GBP 900 million in the last five years. Obviously, the markets are slightly slower at the moment, but you can expect us to be selling quite a bit over the next five years. As you sell more, you can then potentially buy more, and our product has always been in high demand. As we come through this cycle, the longer leases that we're now creating create good value.

The market will return for that product, and that will enable us then to restock for the future.

Ben Mitchard
Analyst, Société Générale

Just one final question on the sort of bifurcation in the market. You're obviously well-positioned locationally for a strong market, tight market in the West End. How do you see the ERVs diverging, say, your West End versus non-West End? Might we see ERVs declining for the non-West End bucket, whilst ERVs grow in the, in the West End? Is that plausible?

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Well, I mean, I'll, I'll make a point, then I'll pass it over to Emily. Obviously, we're very delighted to get more space at Featherstone, it was in line with the ERV, and carrying that market has been a little bit more, more difficult. It's a great product, and we're, you know, a great believer in the area. Obviously, the West End, which is a lot tighter market, will, you know, achieving, you know, double digits above the ERV. I, I suspect the declines will be more likely further east as you go in the, in, in, in London, from the, from, from, from rather west. Emily, do you want to add to, add to that?

Emily Prideaux
Executive Director, Derwent London

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's more the periphery locations that we're, we're, we're likely to see decline. I think the supply shortage is both at West End and City. Some of the big houses, Knight Frank yesterday and others, have increased their rental growth forecast in both City and West End. I think 5% in the West End and 3% in the City yesterday. I think from a core east and west, we're, we're anticipating growth, perhaps quicker, though, in the, in the West End, where the supply is that bit tighter.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Thank you.

Ben Mitchard
Analyst, Société Générale

Thank you.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Oh, yes, please. You got the microphone? Great. Thanks, Neil.

Neil Green
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hey, good morning. Neil Green from JP Morgan. Just one, really. Obviously, the big two developments at 25 Baker Street Network, both complete in 2025, the comments you made around Fitzrovia-

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

A little bit.

Neil Green
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

... Fitzrovia being quite a, a supply-constrained market. Just interested to get your take on whether you've had any incoming on Network already from potential leasing perspective, please?

Emily Prideaux
Executive Director, Derwent London

I think, I think the key difference, even though the timing is similar, they're sort of six months apart, is the size of the floor plates. networks are around 17,000 sq ft versus 25,000 sq ft. We, we've, we've had some early approaches, early discussions. Nothing concrete yet, but I suspect, you know, over the next year, it's very limited supply in, in, in Fitzrovia, so watch this space.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

I think we're very confident, but again, it's H2 2025, market's gonna be improving. If someone comes along, pays a decent rent, great, but we're very confident. If... I suspect, but you may correct me, Emily, it'll be multi-let?

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Yes.

Emily Prideaux
Executive Director, Derwent London

Yes.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Yeah.

Emily Prideaux
Executive Director, Derwent London

We're anticipating it'll be more multi-let.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Any other questions? Have we got any questions on the telephone?

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you change your mind and wish to remove your question, please press star followed by two. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure that your phone is unmuted locally. To confirm, that's star followed by one to ask a question. We have a question from the line of Paul Gorey from CPI. Please go ahead.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Please go ahead.

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Hi, all. Thanks. Yeah, I just want to follow up on the irrecoverable cost overruns. I appreciate that you've, you know, you, you've included a slide on it, which, which is really helpful. Given the impact, this is kind of so material and, and drove that, you know, 10% miss on earnings, I think we need to sort of make sure I understand it completely. It sounded like the drivers were the increased energy costs and, you know, the, the change in vacancy. If I look at the first half of this year versus the second half of last year, I think average vacancy was down 200 basis points, and obviously the energy costs kind of peaked around August, September last year.

I'm trying to understand why the first half of this year would be so much more than, than the second half last year. Can you just sort of square that circle for me?

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Yeah. If you look at the slide on, on page 11, if you look at the, the void cost itself, it's actually lower in the first half of this year than it was in the second half of last year.

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Yeah.

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

It's actually, it's the average vacancy rate, not the end or the beginning of the, of the, of the period. The average vacancy rate through H1 was about 2% higher than it was through H1 2022.

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Okay.

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

The vacancy rate was actually pretty high also in the second half of 2022. You've seen the, the vacancy cost come down a bit. We have had this very exceptional period of, of very high energy costs. That was really through the winter. Service charges have come down in March. In the, in the first quarter of this year, we, we did hit some caps. You'll see that there was quite a big spike in, because we don't have many capped service charges out there. When we had these exceptional energy costs, they pushed us over those caps. That figure should come right down in the second half. Then we've got this-

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Yeah

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Rather unusual, the balancing service charges. Again, this was mainly due to exceptional costs coming through from last year. As we end the service charge years and then reconcile the service charges, they're all, they're all audited. There's a balancing charge or a balancing allowance paid back off or, or collected from tenants. Again, where you've got a slightly elevated vacancy rate, some of that comes back to us. Again, you've got this rather unusual situation. It's the combination of a higher than average vacancy rate and these rather exceptional energy costs. We're expecting those figures to come back quite nicely in H2. I hope that answers the question. Is that satisfactory?

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, that's, that's very clear, Damian. Thank, thanks for that. Just, just a quick follow-up would be on the capped service charges, again, I didn't, I didn't know that was a thing. Do you know what roughly % of the service charges? Is it, is it a very small portion, or is this a fairly standard?

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

I mean, there are, there are two aspects to this. First of all, is how many of our leases have got capped service charges? The answer is around about 10%. The next thing is, where's the cap? You know, if the cap's double the service charge-

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Yeah

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

... it's not likely to hit you. If it's around about the service charge, you might get some impact. The caps do vary quite a lot. We don't advertise capped service charges as one of our amenities, but it is something which sometimes, particularly in older buildings, tenants do, do require.

Speaker 11

I think the main one, Stephen Street-

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Stephen Street, yeah.

Speaker 11

Which we inherit, we inherited, when we bought the building. That, when the, when the tenant leaves there, it'll be getting refurbished.

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Yeah, Stephen Street and Farringdon Road are the two bigger ones there.

Speaker 11

Between them, we inherited.

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

We have seen a very odd period where energy costs literally trebled, and that gave rise to some, some very high service charge demands through the winter. We're, we're now back to much lower energy costs again, so we shouldn't see that unless there's another spike in energy cost.

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Yeah, got it. Okay. Yeah, that's really clear. Thank you.

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

Thank you very much.

Paul Gorey
Analyst, Firm Unverified

Thanks.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

Have we got any further questions? Yes, Damian, Robbie.

Speaker 11

We've got one question on the webcast from Andrew Saunders of Shore Capital, which is: To what extent will further disposals support future development as opposed to drawing more debt?

Damian Wisniewski
CFO, Derwent London

I mean, I can answer that. I mean, obviously, the short term, we do fund the development pipeline with debt. I think our history shows very clearly that this is a recycling business model. It always has been. We manage to sell, usually roughly between GBP 100 million-GBP 300 million a year, roughly an average of GBP 200 million. Our CapEx is around about GBP 200 million a year, maybe a little less. The business retains cash of about GBP 50 million a year after paying payment on the dividend. We have a net funding requirement if we stand still on debt of about GBP 150 million of sales net. That gives us quite a bit of flexibility. We've already sold GBP 65 million this year. We shall see what happens in the second half.

We've got a couple of interesting buildings out there, which I know would, would be very attractive. I think in the, in the short term, we'll probably fund with a bit of debt. In the medium to long term, the recycling business model is here to stay.

Paul Williams
CEO, Derwent London

I think that's it. Thank you very much, indeed, for everyone attending. Thank you for those that listened in. The team is around today if anyone's got any follow-up questions. Thank you again for your attendance. For those who are going off on summer holidays, have a nice time, and stay in touch, please. Thank you very much.

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