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M&A Announcement

Jun 7, 2022

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this analyst meeting. My name is Kaisa Uurasmaa. I'm heading Investor Relations and Sustainability at Sanoma. I think this is a day that many of you, and certainly us as well, have been waiting already for a while. We are happy to announce our next acquisition in the learning business, and also our strategic growth ambition for 2030. Today, the presentation will be held our CEO, Susan Duinhoven, and it will be followed by a Q&A where Alex Green, our CFO, will also join. For the Q&A, you can use the chat function on the webcast platform or telephone line, which will be open. The webcast will be recorded, and the recording will be available on our website soon after the event. The presentation material is also available there.

With this, I would like to hand over to Susan to start the presentation, please.

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Thank you, Kaisa. A warm welcome also from my end. We're enthusiastic today to be able to announce that we're going to acquire Pearson's K-12 learning business in Italy and in Germany. We also announce today our strategic growth objective for 2030. What is this acquisition about? Particularly Italy. It's a large European service market that we will now enter. With that, we also add a very sizable business to our secondary education portfolio. The Italian market is still in an early stage of digitalization, and that will give us the opportunity to utilize our platforms and our learning in that area. We also acquire a small exam preparation and assessment business in Germany.

These two businesses together will add EUR 117 million to our group sales, and that will bring the total to EUR 1.4 billion if you look at the pro forma 2021 basis. In that mix, it will then be 55% of the revenues that is coming from learning. The acquisition also adds EUR 18 million to our EBIT, excluding PPA, and bring then the total learning EBIT to 70% of the total group. Again, pro forma 2021 basis. Of course, this business also adds a solid cash flow to the overall group's cash capacity. Today we also announce our ambition to grow the group's net sales to over EUR 2 billion by 2030, of which we then aim to have at least 75% coming from learning.

This is, in that sense, not the last of the acquisitions that you will hear about till 2030. If we now look at the Pearson business in Italy, it is the third largest publisher in a still fragmented K-12 learning market. It has a market share of around 15%. A particular characteristic is that 80% of the sales is coming from secondary education, with a leading market position in a number of subjects, among which philosophy and literature, which are big subjects in the Italian market. The total sales of the Italian business is EUR 104 million, and that then includes part of it as a distribution business, where we will continue to distribute Pearson's global English language teaching materials, and that amounts to about EUR 12 million out of that EUR 104 million.

If you look at the right-hand side, you see the graph, the EUR 104 million being split up. You see the 80% of secondary, 5% of primary, and 11% of that distribution business. Now, the business has very strong local brands, and the Paravia brand, for example, is already in the market for 220 years. The content is highly regarded by teachers and students. Total company, 161 employees. That sounds maybe small if you compare, for example, to Santillana, but that is because in the Italian market, the characteristic is that the sales network is external. Those are external sales agents throughout the country, which has a very positive economic effect that they can also sell all other materials that schools need.

We're very happy to be able to go and work together with a strong, dedicated, and experienced management team that is already years and years in the learning business, with a very solid growth track record. Now, you also see the seasonality of the Italian business, and you will recognize that it is very identical to the other markets that we're operating in. You see the back to school being early September, therefore generating a peak in sales in the Q3 , and the Q2 being a pre-quarter to that. Q1 and Q4 being very small. That's the Italian business. Very solid business, with a strong management team and a strong setup of brands.

The Pearson brand will of course disappear in the Italian market for our K-12 part of the business, and that we will replace with Sanoma. If we then look at the Italian market overall, it is a large one of the larger markets in Europe, around EUR 750 million in total K-12 learning materials. The other aspect is it's a very stable market. In number of students, around seven million. Market size and governmental expenditure, very stable in the past years, also throughout COVID. This is expected to continue. The interesting element of the Italian market, in contrast to some of our other markets, is that the content renewal is quite continuous. It doesn't happen in big peaks with a curriculum change, but the government sets learning outcome targets subject by subject and on a regular basis.

When those targets are changed, then the publishers basically adapt their materials to meet those targets. That leads to a nice flat market with a small growth on top of it, but not these big swings that we see in other markets. Digitalization is, as I said, in an early stage, and at the moment in secondary education, around 35% of the students use hybrid materials. That is still at the starting point. That's an attractiveness for us because coming out of highly digitalized countries, we can add then to the development of both the digital content and the digital platforms. In the Italian market, secondary learning materials are paid by parents and then often subsidized when needed, but the parent is the buyer.

That is something that we see in some of our other markets. Roughly 50% of the Spanish market has that same mechanism. We're used to it, but this is in the Italian market for secondary education. Primary education is paid by the government. That's the Italian business in a bit more detail. When we then look at this acquisition, we expect modest synergies of EUR 2 million-EUR 3 million on an annual run rate. That is expected because it's a market in which we're not yet operational, so the synergies come from sharing the support functions and some scale advantages in procurement. It will take 18-24 months because there is a complex separation and integration to be done.

We have a good, well-tuned and well-exercised playbook for that. A very similar case in that sense to the Santillana case that we're now rounding off. This separation is maybe even a little bit more complex because we both separate the business from Pearson HQ, but also from some of the smaller business in Italy where Pearson continues to be active. In addition, if we then look at that separation and integration cost, we see around EUR 14 million in cost that will be booked in as IACs during 2022 and 2023.

In addition, because this is now secondary education and the Italian business creates quite a bit of scale in secondary, we see this as an opportunity to invest EUR 10 million in the development of digital learning platforms and learning content for specifically that part of the educational portfolio. Typically in the other countries, these are smaller and therefore did not have the scale to make such an investment. Now with the Italian business, we can make that investment and therefore get that to the next level. We then can, of course, benefit from that both in Italy and in our other countries. All in all, the transaction is expected to be finalized in Q3. We have no business in Italy, so we do not need to file for any antitrust.

There is a foreign direct investment regime that might apply to us, and if that were the case, then that will take a couple of weeks. Approximately EUR 3 million of the transaction costs will be booked as IACs into the Q2 result, and then the remaining about EUR 5 million will be booked at closing, in the Q3 . The business also contains an interesting small German niche business in exam preparation and assessment. The pro forma sales of that business in 2021 were EUR 13 million, and I am. The. I'm losing my slides. If you think, where is the pause coming from? That's coming from that. The business is EUR 13 million. It's the leading player in exam preparation and assessment market. And it has a particularly strong brand, Stark.

That's the brand that it operates on and will now continue to operate under. It's recognized for high quality editorial content, provides over 1,400 titles, and is active in almost all German provinces. It has a 40-year history in the German market and a total size of the organization of 90 employees. Interesting niche business for us. Post-signing, we will be spending quite a bit of time with the German management to examine that in further detail. The valuation of this business, we paid EUR 190 million for it, is fair in our mind, and we will fund it fully with debt.

If we look at EUR 190 as a multiple of the EBITDA pro forma for 2021, it's 6.4x. When we add the cost for the separation integration and the additional digital investments, the multiple becomes 7.2x. We have funded this through debt, and we're very grateful for the support of three of our key lenders, Nordea, OP, and SEB, that have provided an underwritten four-year term loan facility. After this acquisition, we will then be active in 12 countries in Europe and serve over 25 million K-12 students. We are truly one of the global leaders in K-12 education.

In all these markets, we have the same proposition to teachers and schools that we provide them as our primary customers with both the printed and the digital learning content, digital learning platforms, and content distribution services. The Italian market fits that profile exactly. All these three services are delivered there. As I said at the start, we are not intending this to be the last of our acquisitions, and we have balanced funding for that ambitious growth target that I already stated. We want to grow the group to over EUR 2 billion in 2030, with at least 75% coming from learning. Where is that growth then going to come from?

An important part is of course the organic growth in line with our long-term target of 2%-5% annually, and the Italian business fits exactly in that growth profile historically. We still have, even after this acquisition, we still have a very attractive pipeline of potential targets, and we gain, of course, every time experience as an acquirer with a strong playbook also for the more complex separations and integrations. We will be looking for acquisitions both in the markets in which we're active, as well as expanding our geographic footprint in Europe and beyond. The funding sources for that growth, while paying an increasing dividend per share, we see as of course the solid cash flow generation by both the media and the learning business.

That is, of course, the basis that through solid profitability, we generate our own cash to do these acquisitions. The increasing size will also expand our debt capacity, while we aim to keep our leverage within the long-term target of below three. We see further growth opportunities also being funded through equity. We can consider that, if it creates value for all shareholders. It's that balanced funding that will enable us to continue to grow while we're keeping our long-term targets unchanged, meaning a leverage below three, an equity ratio 35%-45%, and most importantly, increasing dividend equal to 40%-60% of the then increasing free cash flow.

Our sustainability targets stay fully in place, carbon neutral by 2030, an employee experience index over 7.5, and a management gender balance of 50-50. With that, in summary, we're entering the Italian market, one of the largest learning markets in Europe. It adds a sizable scale to our secondary education portfolio. We see Italy as an attractive market because the digitalization is still in an early stage. We also acquire a small niche business in Germany, and this adds about EUR 170 million to our group sales and EUR 18 million to our EBIT, excluding D&A, and a solid free cash flow. At the same time, we show our ambition by indicating that the group net sales will be over EUR 2 billion by 2030, of which at least 75% is from learning.

With that, I would like to conclude and open the floor for Q&A.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Thank you, Susan, for the presentation. Thank you, Alex, also for joining. We have a few questions already in the chat, so I would like to start with them. These mainly come from Jutta Rahikainen from SEB and Sanna Perälä from Nordea. I will combine them a bit, so please bear with me that everything will be answered during the session. Maybe we start with the Italian business. How is the Italian K-12 market growing in the coming years compared to our other operating markets in learning?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yes. We see a similar growth pattern in Italy as we see in the other markets. We're of course with some inflationary price increases that might be a little bit higher, but typically it is between 2%-3% growth annually. That's also historically even a little bit higher than that. The Italian market is just like our other markets, low single digit growth market.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay, thank you. If we look at the acquired business, what is the digitalization rate there?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yeah. The digitalization in the whole of the Italian market is still low. We don't record the digitalization as it's not sold as a separate product. But you see that 35% of the students, and that is the same for our portfolio, is using digital. But the critical thing will be that teachers start getting more and more comfortable with using and elaborating on the digital layers. This is where you find in the Italian market, of course, COVID has helped, but also the sales network is a very good tool in actually elaborating with teachers, not only once a year when you sell, but also during the year to keep contact and to help them with using the digital tools.

We see that as a strength that will actually help that Italian market up.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay. On Italy, you know, why Italy now in particular? It's a new market, so how do you see that, you know, versus expanding in current markets in terms of M&A.

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yes.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Potentials and kind of how appealing is it?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yeah. I think that the Italian market as a large market with, you know, what I explained, a stable pattern, quite attractive. This is, I would say, you know, attractive acquisition for us, and something that we looked forward to for quite a while. It doesn't mean that therefore in-market acquisitions would be less attractive. They are very attractive as well, have a different pattern. Because there, if you do an in-market acquisition, you have more direct synergies because you can, for example, combine the commercial network, or you can combine the editorial content production. This is of course for us a new market, so similar to our acquisition of Santillana in Spain, you have then modest synergies, but at the same time, it opens up a whole new market for growth.

You're seeing primary education being small in our portfolio and in the whole of the Italian market, but there are potential growth opportunities there for us.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay, thank you. If we move to Germany, there is a question that was this kind of all the business that was for sale by Pearson in Germany, or would there have been kind of more, a larger

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

No.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Part?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

This was the business for sale. We bought it all, let's say.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay. Well, that's clear. If we move a bit to the financing of the acquisition. What are the details of the bank financing that you now have? What is the price? Was it easy to obtain?

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

Thank you. Well, we're very happy, and we're very grateful for our three key relationship banks, Nordea, OP, and SEB, for providing the financing for us. It is a four-year term loan, EUR 250 million, and those are the details that we are disclosing today.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay, thank you. Then maybe the kind of going beyond this acquisition. First of all, about the headroom, how much do we have left after this one?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yes. The headroom is, of course, something that we build up every year. The cash flow generation from the business adds to it. We have indicated in the past EUR 300-400 million headroom, EUR 200, give or take, being taken at this moment, so that is simple math. This year, also the Italian business will already add to that cash flow generation. This is something that constantly develops, and that's where we have indicated sort of the balanced funding opportunities that we have for further acquisitions.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay. To reach the 2030 growth ambition, does that mean that you need, we need to acquire companies also in new markets from now on as well, not only in the current operating markets?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yeah. Most likely, that's what it means. Because as you saw from the chart that I presented, in many of the markets we are already number one. There is not always a lot of opportunity in the markets. We have indicated when we bought Santillana that there we are the number one, but still only 20% market share. There is still growth also for in-market acquisitions, but in smaller markets that might be limited. Yes, it will be a mix of in-market acquisition in the larger markets or where we're not yet in a number one position, and then new markets to add to it.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

What does the 2030 ambition mean for Sanoma Media Finland? Are you planning to divest something?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

No. No, not at all. It means that Media Finland stays as successful as it is. It's of course always when you do ambition statements that you look for a bit of round numbers. It's very much as we have indicated that for the Media Finland business, we're expecting a plus or minus 2%. A stable business with slightly increasing profitability.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay, good. We already talked a bit about cash and there is a question about the cash generation of the acquired business. This comes from Inderes, Petri Gostowski. Looking at the numbers that we have now provided on the acquired business, the cash conversion seems a bit lower than in our existing learning business. Could you explain that a bit?

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

Yes, I mean, the margin of the acquired business is a little bit lower than our traditional learning businesses in Europe, but there's a number of reasons for this. First of all, if you look at the numbers we've provided, then you need to unpack it a little bit. Within that, we have the German business that Susan talked about, which is EUR 13 million of net sales and roughly breakeven. That's one part. We also have the English language teaching revenues in there, which are $12 million, which is for a distribution business, is typically relatively low margin. The remaining core Italian learning business has a slightly higher margin, has a bit more margin than that. It's also structurally different because the Italian learning business' focus is on secondary education.

Secondary education, typically more complicated, more subjects, more in depth. Secondary education is a slightly lower margin than primary education, so that's a part of the structural profitability. We also have government capping of certain prices within the market and certain rules around what you can price between digital and physical print. The Italian market is structurally slightly lower margin than our averages, but still a successful, solid, stable business generating very decent cash.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay. You actually already touched a bit of the follow-up question, which is that how much potential is there to improve the margins?

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

Well, indeed. We've identified, as we've talked about, synergies in terms of the relatively short term as we separate and integrate the business, and also investments to improve our offering in the secondary market, which will benefit Italy and also other markets around Europe. There are ways that we will continue to work to improve the business with the excellent local management team.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay. One more follow-up. Are there any kind of extraordinary items included in the 20 or 21 numbers that are now published, of the business? I don't think so.

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

No, there's nothing that needs to be that we've disclosed what we need to disclose.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Exactly. Okay, very good. On Italy. That one actually exactly the same. Sorry. Maybe I think that at this point we can move to the telephone line and take questions from there. You can also continue to use the chat. We will come back on it, later on. Operator, please. Operator, do you have anyone on the telephone line? Obviously there is a technical issue, so we can't unfortunately at the moment hear the telephone line. We will solve that. In between, we will continue with the chat, questions. Still on the margin potential, if you think that, the latest acquisition, Santillana, quite a lot higher margin compared now to today's acquisition.

What kind of relative margin potential do we see between Italy and Spain?

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

When you say relative market potential, you mean synergies between the

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Yeah, relative margin potential. I don't know if, you know, the question comes from Anton Brink. If you can still clarify a bit, that would maybe help us further.

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

Yes.

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

I might think of what is intended here, that if you compare, if you look relatively between Spain and Italy, what those margins are, and I think that is what Alex just said, that the primary and secondary education, that's one of those differences. In Spain, there is no regulation around pricing of the product, and in Italy there is. That makes the Italian market as a market structurally a bit less profitable. There is one additional element, but possibly, and that is that constant renewal that I indicated that is happening in the Italian market also means that you actually every year look at some investments. That makes that there is a continuous investment in content of always some methods.

In Spain, when we published the figures there, for example, we showed a year of peak profitability. That was a year where it was just after a curriculum change where all the costs had been taken and then big revenues were generated. You're comparing Italy, let's say, on an average of the cycle, and Santillana at the acquisition was a bit at the peak of its profitability. Those are maybe comparisons between the Santillana business and the Italian business. Most of them market related because we have been quite impressed with, you know, the way the Italian team is doing their operations editorially and the cost efficiency throughout that organization.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Thank you. I think that gives an answer to the question. If not, then naturally we can continue after the webcast. We have a few questions from Sami Sarkamies, from Danske Bank. First of all, a question on the kind of the asset quality and fit into our strategy. Now, 80% of the acquired business in Italy is secondary education. First of all, how does it fit to our current portfolio? Secondly, does it mean that we actually continue to look for more growth, especially in the secondary?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yeah, I think this fits perfectly in our portfolio and perfectly in our strategy. When we say K-12, we do not say primary education. We say primary, secondary and vocational. Secondary education is a very important part of our overall portfolio. It is true that our most recent acquisition, Santillana, was more focused on primary education. This business is actually in the Italian market, because if you look back at that slide where we show the total market around EUR 750 million, you see that the primary education is only around 10% of that. In Italy, primary education is a much smaller market than we see in other European markets. That's a phenomenon. This business therefore fits very well.

We're actually quite happy that now with the scale of the Italian business, our overall scale in secondary education increases. That shows the fact that we can then now also invest more into coming up with digital solutions specifically for secondary education.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay. Still continuing kind of on the margin improvement potential in Italy. Is it possible to reach kind of the our current learning segment average margin, or is that too ambitious?

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

The structural nature of the businesses as we talk about make that, you know, unlikely. That and so but not a problem for us in terms of our strategy and what we're trying to do, as you said, stable, successful, cash generating business. Because of the focus on secondary, because of the way the market is run, it'll always be at a different sort of profitability model.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Good. Thank you. Still one question about the financing provided. Do we publish the interest rate level of that arrangement?

Alex Green
CFO, Sanoma

No, we don't. We talk about size and the term, and that's what we've disclosed.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Very good. The questions from Sami Sarkamies from Danske continue. Can you talk a bit about the acquisition process? How was it? How long was it? Were there several bidders, and how did it go?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yeah. Yeah, we can disclose a bit on that. The properties were put under strategic review in March last year. From that moment and even a little bit before, we have been in contact, and we have indicated our interest. That process has taken first some time for Pearson to identify what these businesses would look like on a more standalone basis, what parts of the business would be up for sale and which parts not, and therefore also what the separation process would look like. That's where, at some point in time, there was an auction process started once these figures and these facts were more clear, and that has led to this successful acquisition.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Very good. Then one more question from Sami. It's about the long-term EBIT level of these acquired assets. Taking into account kind of the synergy potential of EUR 2 million-EUR 3 million, while then we do the additional EUR 10 million investments into digital development. Then of course, on top also the IACs of EUR 8 million of the transaction cost and EUR 14 million of separation cost. Is it the right way exactly to look at it so that the kind of the investments transaction costs, separation and integration costs, they are more of one-off type of items and not impacting kind of the longer term EBIT potential?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Absolutely. They're, as you said, one-time items that enable us to run the business in the way we want to generate value in the future.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Very good. Then we have a few questions from Pia Rosqvist-Heinsalmi at Carnegie. First one, do we see further growth potential in M&A in the Italian market?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

It's always hard to say, you know, when we haven't closed the first one to already look at more acquisition. We do see that there is still quite a number of smaller players in the market, and that there might also be for those players with increasing digitalization, that there might be opportunity for them to join Sanoma. You know, we definitely keep a close eye out, and we'll be very interested to do so, but I'm typically not going into any promises on that.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay. Okay, very good. Regarding the businesses that Pearson now had under strategic review, were we interested in any other assets? If not, why not?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

No, we have looked of course at all the assets, and we felt that for the Italian and German business, we could be a very good owner. The other businesses, less so. Not that we were not interested in those markets, but more, you know, the asset didn't completely fit with us. That is where we focused on these two assets.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

What about the market share of Pearson in Italy in secondary education in particular? How large is it?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yeah, that is, I would need to do the math a bit on sort of within secondary, but I don't think it deviates that much from the total market. Because if you think that 5% of our business was primary, and it's 10% of the market, so that it means that it is a little bit higher market share than the 15% overall.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Although in some topics it may vary.

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

In some topics, absolutely. You know.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Yes

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

That's also explaining the stability of the business that you have, just like we have in other of our markets, that even if it's 15%, it still means in the subjects in which we're active, we are having a very high market share. That's where I indicated, literature, philosophy, those are two of the subjects where we have a very strong market share. That gives stability to the business and also profitability.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Yes. Thank you. We have a further question from Petri Gostowski from Inderes. You mentioned that we could also consider equity funding for further growth. Should this be interpreted so that we are more confident about accelerating our growth through M&A going forward?

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Yeah, you can say more confident. I don't think we lacked confidence before, but it definitely, you know, this balanced funding opportunity means that we can go out in the market and look at the assets that really fit, and do not feel the need to bind ourselves too much to, you know, the exact debt capacity at one moment in time. This gives great comfort, but the basis of it all, I always want to stress, is our own cash flow generation and looking for targets that really fit with the business, because it's not a growth target that it is growth just for the sake of growth.

It needs to be a growth target for improving our business, gaining scale, and therefore being able to utilize our digital heritage in more and more learning markets.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Okay, very good. Unfortunately, there continues to be some kind of technical issues with the telephone line. Please continue to use the chat for any further questions. Which at the moment now we have tackled, I think, all that we have received so far. Now if you are very quick, you still have the time to pose some.

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Otherwise we will be available.

Kaisa Uurasmaa
Head of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Sanoma

Absolutely. Yes. If not, then we can conclude the conference and the Q&A. What I would like to do is I would like to remind you of our virtual deep dive event that will be held on Thursday this week at 11 EET, and we will focus in that, in particular, on how we leverage digital learning, not only in Italy but also across Sanoma Learning. We will have our CEO of Sanoma Learning, Rob Kolkman and Alex Green presenting and discussing around the topic. Hope you can join that event as well. There will be a recording available of that as well as from this conference afterwards.

As said, we will continue to be available at IR, so please feel free to contact us with any further questions you may have. Thank you for joining, and have a good day.

Susan Duinhoven
CEO, Sanoma

Thanks.

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