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Earnings Call: H1 2022

Aug 4, 2022

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, Rolls-Royce

Hello, and welcome everyone to our 2022 half year results presentation. I'm Isabel Green, Head of Investor Relations, and I'm joined today by our CEO, Warren East, and our CFO, Panos Kakoullis. As usual, today's presentation will begin with a summary of our operational and financial highlights from Warren, followed by a more detailed review of our financial results from Panos, and then Warren will talk you through how we're securing a sustainable future for the business. Our presentation will take just over 30 minutes, leaving time at the end for Warren and Panos to answer your questions. Before we begin, please take note of the safe harbor statement on slide two. As always, the full set of results materials can be downloaded from the investor relations section of our website. I'll now hand over to Warren.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Thank you, Isabel, and good morning everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our results presentation. I'll start with a summary of our performance. We've made good progress in the first half with growth in order intake, revenue, and cash flow, and that's based on demand for our products and services, which are improving meaningfully with another period of record order intake in Power Systems, accompanied by continued recovery in Civil Aerospace engine flying hours, and we have good visibility of revenues in Defence with a strong order book. Second point, middle of this slide, we're taking the necessary actions to protect our business from the risks of inflation, supply chain disruption, and a tightening labor environment. We can see the benefits of productivity and efficiency improvements, and we expect to see more progress come alongside us being ever more disciplined on our commercial terms.

These actions, taken together, enable us to deliver on the commitments we've made working right across the Group to deliver better performance for all of our stakeholders. Now let's turn to operational highlights. In Civil Aerospace, shown in the top left-hand box, picture of the Dassault 10X Falcon, we've seen some great milestones in the first half of 2022. Our new Pearl 10X engine powering that plane successfully underwent its first test run, and it didn't miss a beat. Gulfstream's G800 business jet, which is powered by our Pearl 700 engine, achieved its maiden flight. In fact, some of you may have seen it across at Farnborough a couple of weeks ago. We've also assembled the first UltraFan large engine demonstrator, which will go on test later this year with 100% sustainable aviation fuel.

The cover picture is a picture of that engine. More generally, for our newest engine programs, we're continuing to invest in ways to improve time on wing between services to maximize the value for us and for our customers. In Defense, and that's the top right-hand box, we have a strong order book, and we've achieved our first milestone on the B-52 program. That was a critical review in support of activities for the integration of the F130 engine onto that airframe. In Power Systems, moving to the bottom left of the slide, we're delighted to announce another period of record order intake in the second quarter. Demand has been especially strong for power generation, with orders including mission-critical backup power for data centers and orders for some large customers like semiconductor companies worldwide.

Finally, in our new market segment, in the bottom right, we've seen great progress too. This is a picture of us signing an MoU in Farnborough in July with Hyundai Motor Group to collaborate on bringing all electric propulsion and hydrogen fuel cell technology to the advanced air mobility market. With Rolls-Royce SMR, as demand for power and energy independence increases, we've announced the shortlist of sites for our first SMR factory in the U.K. As a reminder, this is important because we anticipate that 90% of our SMR products will be built in factories before being transported to sites for assembly. That factory-built modular approach will drive a significant reduction in the cost of continuous zero carbon electricity, and that's an important part of the solution for energy independence. Turning to our financial summary.

Free cash flows have improved by GBP 1.1 billion, and that reflects the higher engine flying hour receipts, which are up 43% versus the first half of 2021, as well as cost control and working capital discipline. At the same time, we are facing the impact of global supply chain challenges and cost inflation. We're actively managing these through a sharper focus on pricing, productivity, and costs. You'll hear quite a bit more on that from Panos as we go through. Some examples. We're partnering with key suppliers, ensuring that we have contractual pricing protection in place through long-term contracts. We're looking at innovative changes in our manufacturing processes to manage rising costs and supply chain bottlenecks. For example, by repairing and reusing spare parts where we can. Where necessary, we're de-risking our customer deliveries by temporarily increasing inventories.

We're also delivering on our commitments to rebuild our balance sheet in the medium term, and we've now received the required regulatory approvals for the sale of ITP Aero, and we expect that transition to complete in the coming weeks. The proceeds will be used to pay down the GBP 2 billion UK Export Finance-supported loan. Our liquidity position remains strong, with GBP 7.3 billion of pro-forma liquidity, including GBP 2.8 billion in cash at the end of the period. We had net debt of just over GBP 5 billion, including leases, and no significant debt maturities before 2024.

In terms of the guidance, the Group targets for 2022, which we set out in February, are unchanged. This is despite the increasing challenges and risks around the pace of market recovery, global supply chain disruption, and rising inflation that we think may continue into 2023. With that, I'll now hand over to Panos for a deeper dive into our financials. Thank you.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Good morning, everyone, and thank you Warren. Despite a challenging external environment, we've delivered materially improved cash flows versus the first half of 2021. We still have more work to do. Now let's just take a look at the numbers. The results on the following slides, well, they're presented on an underlying basis for the continuing businesses in the group. Group revenues, GBP 5.3 billion. That's 4% higher than last year on an organic basis. Revenue growth was strong in Civil Aerospace and Power Systems, with lower revenues in Defence, which had a tough comparator last year. Operating profit of GBP 125 million was below last year's GBP 307 million. Lower principally due to the absence of a foreign exchange revaluation credit in the first half of 2021 in Civil Aerospace. That doesn't repeat this year.

It was a one-off accounting adjustment of around about GBP 270 million, about half of which unwound in the second half of 2021. That was already factored into our full year 2022 guidance, and as I said, it's not something we expect to repeat going forward. Defence profits last year, well, they benefited by around about GBP 45 million from legacy spare parts sales, which again did not repeat in the first half of 2022. We reported a free cash outflow of GBP 68 million, compared with an outflow of GBP 1.2 billion in the first half of last year. That continues our trajectory from the GBP 4 billion outflow in 2020, to GBP 1.5 billion outflow in 2021, and moving up towards a modest positive for the full year this year.

In Civil Aerospace, total engine flying hours, including business aviation and regional flights, well, they were up 33% year-on-year, showing a continued recovery in large engine business and a sustained high level of demand in business aviation. Large engine long-term service agreement flying hours, they rose by 43% in the first half to 4.5 million. Have to remember, we're still in the early stages of that recovery, so that's still only around about 60% of 2019 levels. Large engine major refurbs, well, they rose by 22%, although total shop visits were only up 6%. Again, we expect further growth in the second half of 2022. Civil Aerospace revenues grew 8% year-on-year, and that's high shop visit activity and long-term service agreement catch-ups offset by fewer OE large engine deliveries.

The catch-ups, well, they reflect strong execution and commercial discipline. That means we've got higher anticipated profitability across the life of these contracts going forward. Civil Aerospace reported an operating loss of GBP 79 million against a small profit last year. As I noted earlier, last year's profit included that one-off foreign exchange credit of around 270 million. Adjusting for this, catch-ups and some small favorable provision movements in the period means that Civil's underlying profitability was broadly flat year-on-year. Civil delivered positive GBP 63 million of trading cash flow. Again, a significant GBP 1.1 billion higher than last year. With costs rebased as volumes recover, we see Civil Aerospace becoming the cash engine for the group. In May, we held a Civil Aerospace investor day in Derby.

If you didn't attend, I'd really encourage you to watch it on our investor relations website. We set out five key value drivers for the business. One, maximize service receipts. Two, reduce service costs. Three, improve OE margins. Four, grow business aviation. Five, make sure we benefit from a favorable point in the investment cycle as we exit what has been a period of intense product development. We're gonna be reporting on these drivers on a consistent basis going forward. As part of that day, we also set out medium-term financial targets based on engine flying hours recovering to 2019 levels by around 2024. Within those targets, we expect a low double-digit compound annual growth rate in total revenues based on 2021 as the start year, a high single-digit operating margin and trading cash flow to comfortably exceed operating profit.

We remain confident in our ability to deliver these targets and in the operating leverage of the business as our revenues grow. Our defense business, well, that's a long cycle business, and it doesn't immediately benefit from the big geopolitical changes we're seeing at the moment in the wider world. However, rising budgets in most Western countries do underpin our confidence in the long-term outlook for this business and its annuity-like cash flows. We've recently won some very important contracts that Warren referred to, the B-52, and there are other contracts we're bidding for, such as the Future Long-Range Assault Aircraft for the US Army to replace its fleet of Black Hawk helicopters. We are expecting a decision on that in the coming months. Underlying defense revenues, GBP 1.6 billion, they were 9% lower than in the first half of last year.

Operating profit was GBP 189 million. That gives you an 11.7% margin. As I noted earlier, the first half of 2021 included an unusually high level of legacy spare engine sales, which added roughly GBP 45 million to profit. Trading cash flow, GBP 89 million, was equal to last year. In Power Systems, we've seen very strong demand, 53% growth in order intake in the period, and a book-to-bill ratio of 1.5, with a record quarter for orders in Q2. Order cover is already at 100% for the rest of 2022, and in fact, in some of our end markets for 2023, we are close to full capacity already. Revenues in the period grew by 20% year-on-year, and that's despite some challenges around Ukraine and the supply chain that Warren referenced.

Underlying operating profit, that was GBP 119 million, giving an 8.7% margin against 3.5% in the prior period. Trading cash was an outflow of GBP 76 million, compared with an inflow of GBP 71 million in the prior period. Now, that partly reflects some working capital investment to support the currently very high levels of revenue growth. We've also got some issues in the supply chain there, and that's resulted in inventory build, which we are working very hard on to make sure we reduce in the second half. Finally, let's look at new markets. That includes the SMR and electrical businesses. New markets reported an operating loss of GBP 48 million in the first half of 2022, and that, as you'd expect, reflects the ramp-up in R&D costs as we grow our teams.

We've got just under GBP half a billion of committed funds in place to cover the R&D costs for our SMRs over the next five years, and only 10% of that is the amount we will fund ourselves. The investments that we're making in this segment have a broader synergistic benefit across the whole group, and Warren's gonna touch on that later. This next slide, well, that sets out our group cash flows, starts at underlying operating profit. Our free cash outflow was GBP 68 million in the first half. That compares with an outflow in the prior period of GBP 1.2 billion. Our stronger cash flow performance year-to-date gives us confidence in our ability to deliver modestly positive free cash flow for the full year. That GBP 1.1 billion cash flow swing can be broken down into three broad buckets.

Firstly, we saw an operating profit performance improvement of around about GBP 490 million. That largely reflects the growth in large engine flying hours in Civil Aerospace. Secondly, working capital, well that was GBP 350 million better, as inventory build was partly offset by strong customer collections in period, particularly in Civil Aerospace, and improved performance on supplier payables. Thirdly, other impacts were GBP 230 million better than the prior period, with a lower pension contribution and derivative settlement costs, and higher profits coming through from discontinued operations offsetting higher interest costs. We saw limited impact in the period from concession payments. We started the year with around about GBP 300 million of net concessions slipped from 2021. Now, at that time, we thought those would largely unwind in 2022.

Since then, we've seen those further delays in 787 deliveries and the associated concession payments. Important to note though, that's largely offset by a reduction in concession receipts on new Trent 1000 deliveries, as Boeing itself manages its own inventory. As a result, concession outflows are expected to be slightly lower than we originally anticipated. There is a larger headwind coming in 2023 as those growth slips are compounded in 2023 by continued low receipts from Trent 1000 new engine deliveries. Now, when I started this role, I set out three clear priorities for the business, deliver on our commitments, simplify how we report, and invest wisely for the future. I just wanna give you some examples of our progress in each of those areas. Firstly, delivering on our commitments.

We all know how challenging and uncertain the external environment is, given the war in Ukraine, the impact on supply chain, rising inflation, fears of recession, and continued intermittent lockdowns in China. Nevertheless, we stay committed to delivering on what we have promised. I want to share with you some of the ways in which we're actively managing the current situation. Firstly, through commercial discipline and on pricing and also on contract management. In Civil Aerospace, we've been able to contractually pass on higher input prices on both OE and aftermarket through indexation clauses. In Power Systems, that's a shorter cycle business, we've also been able to raise prices in an environment where demand is very strong and margins are very closely leveraged to volumes. In Defence, we're working hard to manage supply chain costs through long-term purchasing agreements and focusing on pricing with customers.

Secondly, we are focused on controlling our cost base to ensure that there is operating leverage as revenues grow. We focus down our supplier lists, seeking to work with the very best performing suppliers. In most cases, we have long-term agreements in place which offer us good protection from near-term price pressures. A case in point, titanium. We've already secured a long-term agreement with a US -based titanium supplier, which means that we continue to be increasingly less reliant on titanium from Russia. Another example on the Pearl 10X, where our innovative digital sourcing approach has allowed us to achieve a 10% cost reduction on parts by consolidating our spend with 4 high-performing suppliers. More broadly in Civil Aerospace, we've taken proactive steps to further strengthen our focus on supplier management in the first half. That included very careful selective hiring to support and manage the supply chain.

We've established tiger teams in those severely stressed parts of the supply chain, including the use of external specialists. On the commodity side, we also have hedging in place to protect us from near-term volatility. An example would be nickel. We're currently hedged 75% in for 2022, with significant levels of hedging in place for the next four years. Jet fuel, we're 80% hedged in 2022, with a ramp down out to 2025. Now finally, working capital remains a key focus and in particular customer collections and driving down inventories. Next up, simplify how we report. An example of how we are driving simplicity across the business is our new approach to foreign exchange hedging, which is more cost effective, brings us into line with our peers to allow comparability and allows us to more proactively manage risks.

Historically, we've hedged a declining percentage of our foreign exchange exposure across a rolling ten-year horizon, and that was based on our projected US dollar revenues. Now the issue that gave us going into COVID was we were carrying a very large hedge book, much larger than our peers. Because of the material impact COVID had on our medium-term forecasts of US dollar revenues, we found ourselves overhedged. You're all aware there was a GBP 1.7 billion cost to unwinding these hedges that we charged in 2020 that we feel the cash flow impact of until 2026. It's worth remembering every 1-cent movement in the hedge rate impacts our operating profit and cash flows by around about GBP 25-30 million.

Under our new approach, we're gonna be carrying a smaller hedge book with a declining percentage of cover over a five-year period, which will mean that market movements in foreign exchange will impact us sooner. The chart on the slide that shows our current hedging position. We've got some flexibility to move these hedges around, but we are largely hedged at $1.50 to the pound until 2026. From then, you'll start seeing the benefits coming through from the new hedging approach. My third priority, making sure we invest wisely. We've got strict criteria that we follow when considering new investments. Firstly, they need to be aligned with the group strategy and focus on sustainability. Warren's gonna pick up on that theme shortly.

75% of our R&D investment in the medium term will be on lower carbon technologies and making our existing products compatible with net zero. We also continue to invest in improving the profitability of our products by increasing time on wing, efficiency, and productivity. Now while we're seeing increasing investment in new markets, our established businesses are critical too. Around 80% of our CapEx and R&D this year will be focused on civil power systems and defense. Next, we very carefully consider the risk-reward profile of each investment based on an estimate of its IRR in a range of scenarios. Our investments, well, we aim that they generate a combination of near, medium term, and longer-term returns. That gives us a balance of protecting and growing our established businesses and pursuing longer-term growth opportunities at the same time.

An example of an investment that will generate return in the near term is the work we've done on extending the time on wing in the Trent 700 engine. At the other end of the spectrum are our investments in electrolyzers and in SMRs. For these more longer-dated investments, we make sure that we have a sufficiently high IRR on a risk-adjusted basis. Just to give you an idea from a process perspective, all investments over GBP 5 million are reviewed by our group investment review committee. That meets monthly. I've chaired all of those meetings since I started with the business. We set a very high bar when considering new investments, and there are many examples of projects that didn't make the grade. We continue to focus on in-flight reviews of investments to make sure we improve the accountability and delivery on existing projects.

I'm gonna keep coming back to these three themes in the future. Delivering on our commitments, simplify how we report, and making sure we invest wisely. Now my final slide. Despite the challenges around inflation and the supply chain, we are confident in our ability to deliver on our commitments. At the group level, we still expect to deliver low- to mid-single-digit% revenue growth, a broadly unchanged operating margin year-on-year, and modestly positive free cash flow. Now that guidance is based on expected improvements in Civil Aerospace driven by higher large engine sales and also increases in shop visits. Our divisional guidance has changed slightly. In Civil Aerospace, we now expect to deliver good revenue growth in 2022. In Defense, we're now guiding for a low double-digit% operating margin in the full year for 2022.

That's lower year-over-year due to higher investment spend and also the non-repeat of those legacy spare parts sales I mentioned earlier. Now lastly, just to help the modeling, a word on tax. We're still expecting group cash tax payments to be broadly similar to the GBP 185 million paid in 2021. Now we expect the P&L charge to be lower than this, but due to the geographical mix of our profits and losses, we will see a higher than normal P&L tax rate this year and in 2023. With that, I'll hand back to Warren.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Good. Thank you, Panos. Now, securing a sustainable future. When we talk about sustainability, of course, we mean in terms of the energy transition and addressing climate change, but we also mean ensuring business sustainability with disciplined investment for sustainable returns. Before I talk about the future, I'd also like to touch upon last week's announcement regarding the new CEO appointment and a few personal reflections. It's been a great privilege to have been entrusted with the stewardship of this company over the last several years. And I've enjoyed support from loads of people. I especially want to thank the amazing people at Rolls-Royce who make it all happen in spite of some really challenging events, and indeed, all the changes that I have thrust upon them.

We've dealt with some major challenges in that period, and I'm pleased to reflect on how much the company has changed in that time. Indeed, the appetite for further change that we've developed. Rolls-Royce is now much leaner, more agile, and more focused than it's ever been. We've taken significant costs out and developed a more cost-conscious culture across the whole organization. We've not lost the focus on excellence, nor our ingenuity, which enables us to punch well above our weight. We've developed more efficient, durable, and sustainable products and services that will serve our customers for decades to come. In addition, we've embarked on a net zero pivot. As you know, in my book, disruption like this spells opportunity, so I'm more optimistic than ever about the future.

I'm also proud of our broader leadership team, which like our people at large, is on average younger, much more diverse, and much more agile. That gives me the confidence to pass the baton to Tufan, who joins us in January. Together, they will create that sustainable future for Rolls-Royce. Now, on a sustainable future, the number one thing is to make the group sustainable as a business. Key to this is leveraging the asset, which is our installed base. The largest earnings potential lies in our large engines powering the world's youngest wide-body airline fleet, where we power the majority of aircraft types available for airlines to buy today. Alongside this, we have over 9,000 business jet engines and more than 16,000 defense engines, as well as over 40,000 customers for our Power Systems products.

As we outlined at our Civil Investor Day in Derby recently, we work intensely to increase the profitability of our installed base, and that's the asset with significant barriers to entry that drives our sustainability from a business point of view. Now, I want to shine a light on the technology behind the business opportunity in the other sense of the word sustainability. We're a business that's focused on power. More accurately, perhaps, turning stored energy into useful power in particularly difficult applications. This offers challenges, but it also creates excellent barriers to entry once you've developed that domain expertise. Now, you hear today about alternative forms of stored energy, and it can all sound very complex, but actually this is a continuation of our long journey. For much of the time since, say, 1940, we've worked with two forms of stored energy, fossil hydrocarbons and nuclear power.

Looking forward, sticking essentially with the same difficult applications where we draw on our decades of expertise and those barriers to entry I mentioned, we move from two forms of stored energy to four. If we look at the hydrocarbon stream, we anticipate that over the next 20 years, we will see a switch to synthetic fuels. It will remain prevalent for decades in our reciprocating engines, but in particular, it's going to be relevant for our gas turbines for long-haul aviation. We're ensuring that our gas turbines are ready now for that transition. Looking to nuclear, moving up the slide, we have multidecades of experience in providing safe nuclear power in a really challenging application, and that gives us the confidence in our capability to deliver our SMR solution.

The huge reduction in the cost of continuous zero carbon electricity that our SMRs provide makes us firm believers that it is the right solution to decarbonize the grid and to enable standalone industrial applications such as producing the synthetic fuels and at the top of the slide, the hydrogen. There are even future opportunities in space applications with microreactors. Now, electrification is an established trend with progress in battery technology. For us, initially, this means using battery storage for hybrid propulsion and microgrid solutions on land. However, this is rapidly becoming relevant in aviation. With several contracts in urban air mobility and commuter aircraft for full electric power and propulsion, and these subsectors will produce revenue and profit relatively soon. We can see full electric and hybrid and more electric solutions moving from smaller aircraft to larger ones as the technology matures.

Now, in order to achieve true net zero, we will, I'm sure, be deploying hydrogen-based power and propulsion solutions in time, even to our wide-body customers in long-haul aviation. I'll show how we prioritize and invest into those alternative forms of energy storage using hydrogen as an example, if we move to the next slide. Let's just look at the hydrogen pathway. We can deploy hydrogen in a reciprocating engine in a gas turbine with hydrogen fuel cells in between. Now, the gray areas on the slide represent the investment periods, and the green areas show when we can make revenue and earn profit. Now, hydrogen is gaining relevance in many markets, and our customers look to us to help them decarbonize. Some of these are a way off, but we need to be ready with the technology as that technology and infrastructure matures.

You can see that while we must be active and present, hydrogen and the gas turbine together for wide-body aviation is a minimal investment today. Based on what we can see, revenue is not likely before the late 2030s. We're investing now where we see short-term potential for deployment and business return at the top of the slide. For example, around reciprocating engines and coming down the slide in fuel cells, moving from land-based stationary to mobile and later into the air. There are opportunities too for inorganic growth. For instance, the recent acquisition of the electrolyzer specialist, Hoeller, will help us to move to market quicker in Power Systems alongside disciplined, prudent investment in some cases. The best approach, though, is to form partnerships.

At Farnborough, the partnership that we announced with Hyundai that I mentioned earlier includes hydrogen fuel cells, and we also announced there a partnership with easyJet, and that's all about hydrogen in gas turbines. Now, these investments and partnerships are creating knowledge, skills, and capabilities that flow across our group, creating benefits and applications between our different businesses. It isn't just about the technology, it's about the people. You've heard me say many times before that our key differentiator is our people, so I'm pleased we continue to be a company where talented individuals are keen to work. Since 2021, we've seen an increase 48% in applications for our early careers, and 58% of the graduate hires in 2022 are female and 36% from ethnic minority backgrounds.

In addition to hiring, though, it's even more important that we create an environment where all our people can deliver to their full potential, and that means being really inclusive. We support over 20 employee resource groups across all diversity strands, including faith, ethnicity, and gender networks. The largest one of those is Prism, which supports our lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community here in the U.K., and we're proud that this network has received multiple externally recognized awards. We can see how inclusion coupled with the right incentivization encourages the right business outcomes. For instance, looking at our patent award scheme, in 2022, nearly half of the new inventions filed related to our net zero ambitions. We've introduced a new approach to learning, and this includes a refreshed, digitally enabled approach for all of our people to get learning out really quickly.

One key aspect of this is a digital internal marketplace for so-called gigs. These are bite-sized pieces of work that are matched on the basis of capability to people anywhere across the organization, leading to much more agile working and ensuring that we develop a capability irrespective of any internal organizational boundaries. That's especially crucial for highly sought-after fields like electrical engineering. Let's conclude. A reminder of what we have covered. We've progressed well in the first half of the year with substantially better cash flow as we manage our costs and the markets recover.

It's a tough environment, though, and we're addressing this with a focus on the operational and commercial actions that can protect our performance. We're sticking to our commitments. The disposal of ITP has been approved, and it will complete in the coming weeks, and we're well-positioned to achieve our guidance. I'm convinced that with the best people and breakthrough technologies for the energy transition and a more modern and much leaner business, we've a bright and exciting future ahead. With that, I'd now like to hand over to the operator to open the meeting to Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for a name to be announced. We will first start with webcast questions while we compile the Q&A queue. Back to you, Isabel.

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, Rolls-Royce

Thank you. A question here from the webcast to Warren, actually. Warren, your results today have got quite a lot of noise, and you say you're progressing well, but I can't see it coming through in the numbers. Can you tell me a bit more about what's going on in the business?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

I say we're progressing well because, you know, we can see growth. We can see growth coming through in revenues. We can see growth in orders. Our Power Systems business has just had a record quarter for orders, and actually the first quarter was very strong for orders as well, so we now have a record order book there. And I can see a massive swing in the cash flow. You know, reminder of the trajectory. You know, COVID, GBP -4.2. Last year, GBP -1.5. This year, we said we'd be modestly cash positive, and the first half has set us up very well for that, being just a 68 million GBP outflow.

What's really driving that is a recovery in engine flying hours in our aerospace business as well. You know, large engine flying hours up 43%. You know, I think that's the indications of progress. Now, when you look at our profit and just compare first half this year to first half last year, you know, I think that's what's caused a little bit of noise this morning. I think it's important that we understand the moving parts behind that, so I'm gonna ask Panos to explain that one.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

I think you're right. At first blush, when you look period-on-period at what's happened to operating profit, and I called it out in the presentation, GBP 125 versus GBP 307, it does look. What we've tried to do is to be helpful to pick out what's really going on behind that. Particularly when we're in the environment we are now of going through a breakeven, yet relatively small numbers either way can have a distorting effect. What we've tried to do is pick out things that were effectively one-off, and we tried to do that in a balanced way. You'll see that there is a non-repeat of a revaluation credit.

It was a foreign exchange revaluation credit of around about GBP 270 million in last year's numbers, due to the change in foreign exchange rates. There was also a GBP 45 million benefit from the legacy spare parts sales within the Defence business last year. Didn't repeat this year. Again, that's consistent with what we expected. Year-on-year, we're benefiting from more positive catch-ups this year than last year, and you can see a benefit of around about GBP 50 million coming through from that. Also this year we've got a one-off write-off on a legacy contract from a business that we sold of just under GBP 30 million. When you strip all of those elements out and say, "Right, what is going on with the underlying business?" You end up with an operating profit a little bit up year-over-year. Again, it's sort of indicative of the underlying progress.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah, thanks.

Operator

Now we're going to start to take questions from audio lines. Please stand by. The first question comes from the line of Robert Stallard, Vertical Research Partners. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Thanks so much. Good morning. Hello?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Hello. We can hear you.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Can you hear me?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

We can hear you.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

Okay.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

A couple of questions from me. First of all, Warren, you mentioned that you're enforcing indexation in your contracts and that the power division is seeing good pricing. Is this enough to cover the cost inflation that you're seeing coming through the system? And is there a bit of a timing mismatch here that you're getting the price benefit before the cost impact? And then secondly, Panos, my phone was giving me grief when you were talking about the 787 payments and how that's gonna flow out. I was wondering if you could clarify what you said? Thank you.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. I understand your point, Robert, about price before cost, and we're very tuned in to that. Now the first thing to do is, of course, pass on as much of the inflationary pressure as you can from a contractual perspective. You have to look to your costs and think about how we can control those costs, which we're absolutely doing. You know, part of that is softening the blow of the inflationary pressures by things like hedging, things like long-term supply agreements with our suppliers, focusing on the smaller number of suppliers so that we can actually strike better agreements.

You know, some of these supply agreements, fortunately, you know, do stretch out for a very long period of time. We consider that we're well protected. You know, there is a balance to be struck between the pressure that you're getting from costs going up and you know, how much you're able to pass on. When I talk about commercial discipline, I mean tilting the balance of that so that it is largely within our favor.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah, I guess the bit so that I'd add to it, and you can look at the three businesses in-

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

In different ways. The Civil Aerospace business. I think you talked about enforcing indexation. We are being robust around how we do that. You can see a little bit of the benefit coming through, the future benefit effectively coming through from the catch-ups. A lot of those catch-ups are driven by the expectations through that enforcement. From a cash perspective, it actually comes a little bit, it has a little bit of a lag 'cause it sort of catches up year- on- year. On the defense side, it tends to be through contract renewals, which happen regularly. Again, a little bit of a lag there. Within Power Systems, when you have got record demand and a very strong order book, you can be much more regular around price increases.

As Warren has said, the other element is you control costs. We been clear around focusing down on the critical suppliers, the ones that are the best performing supplier. To be a best performing supplier, it's not just about cost, it's about being able to deliver to the highest quality as well. You'll have heard in the maybe in the presentation we talk about digital sourcing on the Pearl 10 X. That's a fancy way of saying we had a supplier conference and 10% reduction in pricing going forward, and that gets locked in with very low levels of indexation. Then that together, as Warren has said, with hedging around commodities, puts us in good shape around that.

On the 787 payments, coming into the year, we talked last year about that GBP 300 million slip from 2021 into 2022 on concession payments we expected to go out. Those haven't happened yet. They look like they might slip into the following year. It doesn't actually have as big a benefit in terms of lower outflow happening this year as you would have anticipated because Boeing themselves are managing their own inventory. So new concession receipts are lower than we expected. So the net-net impact is not big this year. It does, though, create a little bit of a headwind for next year as some of those slip into next year, those payments, without necessarily having new orders coming in for, and that would generate new concession receipts.

Robert Stallard
Partner, Vertical Research Partners

That's great. Thank you.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Robert. Now we're going to take our next question. Please stand by. The next question comes to line of David Perry from JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

David Perry
Lead Operations Specialist, JPMorgan

Yes. Good morning, gents. Can you hear me okay?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Yes, we can.

David Perry
Lead Operations Specialist, JPMorgan

Okay, great. I've got four questions. I don't know if that's too greedy. They're quite short. The first one, the defense. Guidance of low double-digit margin. I just wanted to clarify, I mean, are we thinking 10%-12%? Is that a baseline going forward? 'Cause defense margins historically have been hard to forecast. The second one is the finance charge was a lot higher than I expected in H1. I just wondered if you can help us think about the full year and maybe even going forward, 'cause obviously you've got ITP proceeds and you're gonna pay off some debt. Tax charge, clearly, very high. Will the second half be the same as the first half? The last one, the fourth one, the LTSA inflow, GBP 433 million in H1. I think at the CMD you talked about GBP 500 million-ish a year.

Is it still GBP 500 for this year, or is it gonna be meaningfully higher than that? Thank you very much.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Shall I pick them up?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. You can pick them up.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Thanks, David. I will-

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

You start.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

I'll try and keep them, as you said, quite short ones. I'll try and keep them short and sweet. I think on defense, it's consistent with where we were expecting this year to be. We wanted to be more explicit about that guidance as we went through into the second half, just to be as helpful as possible around that. Last year we did have a little bit of the number being flattered by those legacy spare engine sales. That's why you see that coming down. It is now representative, I would say, of the mix going forward. Some of the older work was a little bit of a higher margin, and we got the impact coming through of the Single Source Regulations as well.

You can think of it as that sort of level going forward, and the range you talked about is a sort of sensible range to be thinking about, maybe a little bit towards the higher end of that 10-12. On finance charges, in terms of the actual P&L charge this year, there's a little bit of extra this year because last year the UK EF loan, the GBP 2 billion, we took out sort of midway through the first half. You've got the anniversary effect of that for a full six-month period. But think of that as being sort of the charge going forward, adjusted for ITP proceeds. As we said in the release, ITP proceeds, we're gonna use to pay down the GBP 2 billion UK Export Finance loan.

That's our only floating interest rate loan. All the other loans are at fixed rate. That will give you an idea of that. On tax, the tax charge does look unusual because we've got two territories, the U.K., the U.S. and Germany, where we are tax-paying. In the U.K., we make taxable losses, and we've got a lot of loss to use going forward. There's no actual charge that comes through from that. You do get a slight slightly odd-looking number because you've got two tax-paying jurisdictions and the largest one isn't. From a cash perspective, think of last year and this year being broadly the same. In terms of the LTSA, you're right.

Back in Derby on the thirteenth of May, we sort of talked about in the medium term being around about a GBP 500 million number on the LTSAs. It is gonna be meaningfully more than that this year. You quoted the GBP 433 million for the first half of this year. It's gonna be, again, meaningfully more than that as those engine flying hour receipts come through. The relationship of that with actual shop visits happening and some of that LTSA credit effectively ending up being taken through revenue, that's one of the sort of judgments that we have to take. It will be meaningfully more than the GBP 500 million this year.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah.

David Perry
Lead Operations Specialist, JPMorgan

Just to follow up on that.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Sure.

David Perry
Lead Operations Specialist, JPMorgan

The GBP 500 a year then, is that an average? If it's much better this year, is it lower in the future years, or is it just this year is a one-off and it's still the GBP 500 a year going forward?

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

I think we said 500 by the medium term over the next few years. It is gonna be higher levels than that, depending on the trajectory of the engine flying hour receipts and the level of shop visits going forward.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah, I mean, I think an elevated rate in the short term is a logical consequence of the sector recovering from COVID, flying starting to happen, and the shop visits going to follow. I mean, don't forget we've got a load of shop visits that you know pre-COVID would have happened over the last year or so that have effectively been delayed, and that's what's causing the LTSA increment to be at a higher rate right now.

David Perry
Lead Operations Specialist, JPMorgan

Very clear. Thank you very much.

Operator

Now we're going to take our next question. The question comes in from George Zhao from Bernstein. Your line is open, please ask your question.

George Zhao
Director and Research Analyst, Bernstein

Hi. Yes, good morning, everyone.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Good morning.

George Zhao
Director and Research Analyst, Bernstein

My first question is, you know, how do you assess the health of your supply chain as you and the OEMs consider potential wide-body production ramp up? You know, we're seeing a lot of supply constraints on the narrow-body side of engines right now. You know, while clearly the wide-body, you know, they're not facing the same level of ramp up as the narrow bodies, you know, are there risks that some of your suppliers that are involved in the different programs could face some challenges in ramping up?

Secondly, you know, I want to understand a bit more about the price indexation on the LTSA. You know, we've heard some of your other peers comment that they're more preserved against inflation on the time and material versus the LTSA. Yo u know, how do your contracts still work here? You know, is there more of a cap within the LTSAs where for which we can pass on the cost inflation, that may be, you know, less favorable than the outside of mature agreements? Thanks.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Okay, the first one.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. So, you know, I think the key difference between narrow body and wide body is obviously the absolute volumes. And that's why, you know, the situation is very intense in the single aisle space at the moment because, you know, everybody didn't quite come to a grinding halt, but everybody suddenly went very slow and now they're being pressured to ramp up very steeply, but the numbers are all large. Obviously, as you pointed out, wide body is a slower recovery, which gives us all some breathing space. Also the absolute numbers are much smaller. Now, we talked about, and Panos cited a supply chain conference a moment ago in an answer to an earlier question.

You know, that's the sort of engagement that we are having with suppliers. Basically, we are spending more with fewer suppliers. The relationship with those suppliers is richer. The contract terms can be longer and more rigorous. You know, those are the steps that we're taking. Obviously there's real world risks that all of these suppliers face. You know, by close working relationship with those suppliers and we've hired people, we're hiring people specifically to manage suppliers at the moment. We also have task forces from within our business, working with suppliers.

I think those measures taken together put us in reasonable shape and, you know, we do anticipate the wide body volumes recovering, not sort of immediately, so we do have some time for this, but, you know, we can see them recovering. I've been quite vocal in the media about commercial discussions, you know, ramping up, and that is going to result in new OE demand over the coming years, but we think we're pretty well positioned for it. LTSA price escalations and the like, if you take-

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Just a couple of sort of points of detail around the management and the supply chain. It's procurement specialists, and we've hired around 70 extra people, specialists in that area. Those of you who were at the Civil Day back in Derby will remember Sebastian Resch, our Operations Director. He always talked about. It's about boots on the ground. It's about spending time with the suppliers to make sure that we're in the right place in the queue, and we understand day to day, and we manage day to day what's going on around that supply chain.

On the indexation point, I think you asked, you know, is there a limit? Is there a ceiling? Effectively, is there a cap? Yeah, actually, there's a collar. First few percentage points we can pass on directly. There's a collar of a couple of percentage points. Beyond that, what's called hyperinflation from a contract terminology perspective. We can pass that on again. Each contract will be negotiated on its own terms, but that's the broad shape.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Thank you.

George Zhao
Director and Research Analyst, Bernstein

Thank you.

David Perry
Lead Operations Specialist, JPMorgan

Thank you.

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, Rolls-Royce

Hello, it's Isabel again. I've got a question from the webcast. Chloé Lemarié from Jefferies has written her question in, so I'd like to read two questions out from her, please, if I may. Firstly, stripping out all the one-offs in civil, it appears there was a GBP 100 million year-on-year increase in operating profits for the division. Can you provide some color on what drove this between OE and aftermarket or between large engines and others? The second question from Chloé, please. Can you detail what drove the catch-up recorded in civil this half? Additionally, how are you seeing the Trent XWB aftermarket trending in terms of operating performance?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Okay.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

You should pick up XWB.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. Yeah, you go.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Just in terms of stripping out the one-offs, when I gave the response earlier on, I was looking at the one-offs across the whole group. The one-offs that specifically apply to the civil business are the GBP 270 million foreign exchange credit from last year. It doesn't repeat, so you strip that out. The net year-on-year benefit of the catch-ups, which is just around just over GBP 50 million. And then we had a little bit of provision release this year versus last year, which gave us a benefit. Actually, when you strip those out, you end up with civil in the first half being broadly flat. It's, I don't think it's the GBP 100 million you talked about. It is broadly flat.

If you unpick that to say, right, what is behind that from both an OE and services perspective. OE, we are broadly flat. You can see the sort of installed deliveries first half this year versus first half last year. It's broadly flat. The mix is actually more in favor of business aviation than wide body. So that gives us a little bit of a margin uptick. Services, on the other hand, you can see quite a, I think about a 22% from memory increase around services, but that's more on the wide body and 6% overall on all shop visits. The mix goes the other way a little bit on that one.

You look at those two underlying operating drivers and that will get you to the broadly flat once you strip out those one-offs. In terms of what happens going forward and what underpins our view around the outlook for the full year, there is a significant ramp up in shop visits in the second half, which generates a significant amount of profit and a number of spare engine sales. We'd originally thought there'd be a few more spare engine sales in the first half, but those have now moved into the second half. That's a combination of, as I mentioned, spare engine sales to customers and also to third parties that operate a pool.

In terms of what drove the catch-ups, a lot of that catch up is around pricing, and it's around that pricing, that commercial discipline that we've been talking about, particularly around business aviation as those indexation clauses effectively come into effect and mean that we've got greater profitability on those contracts going forward. I know I've stressed it a few p around the importance of looking at catch-ups and what they're telling you, 'cause they are saying that over the life of those contracts, if it's a positive catch-up, over the life of those contracts, we expect those to be more profitable going forward. There is a catch-up now when we look at how much we've traded in the past. Works both ways, so we need to be balanced around that. Within defense, you'll see there's a GBP 22 million charge in defense around some risks on inflation.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

XWB performance.

Yes. XWB performance. I'm actually not quite sure whether you mean how the shop visits are going, or how the engine's performing and therefore needing shop visits. Let me have a go. We continue to be pleased with XWB. The actual sort of in-service performance of the engine is excellent and we get great feedback from our customers. We have been gradually pushing out the service interval on the 84 Ks through a process of in-inspections, because obviously we don't want to do a shop visit until we absolutely have to.

That's been encouraging and we've spoken about that before. Those who came to Derby, I think saw lots of activity aimed at systematically extending the service interval and, you know, we expect that to continue on both the 84K and the 97K over the coming years. If that's what you meant by the performance and shop visits, then that's the story.

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, Rolls-Royce

Thank you. I've got two more questions. They're quite short, so I'm going to ask them both one after the other. The first one from Exane. Very short question, where do you expect working capital to come out for the year? And then secondly, from Spinecap, could you give us a bit more detail on what changed on the FX hedging and how much net US dollar exposure you expect to have by 2024/2025?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Are you gonna do both of these?

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. I can pick that up. In terms of working capital for the full year, you'd expect to see a sort of slightly negative working capital. That unwind of inventories is gonna be a little bit more than from where we are now. It's gonna be a little bit more than offset by the increase in the performance on payables. Expect it to be a sort of slight negative for the full year. In terms of the FX hedging, current book I think is around $21 billion in terms of the exposures going forward. As I said in the presentation, the aim of the new policy is to make life a little bit simpler for everyone in comparing us with others.

Allows us to be more proactive in how we manage that risk as well. You'll see a policy going forward of a declining cover over a five-year period. For that to fully be in effect, it's gonna take a few years 'cause we've got a hedge book at the moment that I guess the past policy means we're 100% hedged for the next five years. As that unwinds and we put the new policy in place, you'll see that slide coming down over time.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Thank you. Back to live.

Operator

Thank you very much. The next question comes to line of Olivia Charley from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Olivia Charley
Associate, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Morning everyone. Thanks very much for taking my questions. My first question is just a follow-up on the shop visits. I know you just mentioned with Chloé that you're expecting to see a big step up in the number of shop visits happening in second half, and I was wondering if you could just give us some more color on that. I mean, I can see from the release on the first half, there's only been a pretty modest step up in shop visit numbers in the first half. The guidance, I think that you've given for the full year implies a sort of 20% increase in the midpoint.

I'm just wondering what's driving that really material step up in the second half and what kind of is giving you confidence in the ability to sort of step those volumes up? Then just a second question around engine flying hours. Could you give us a sense of what the exit rate is for the first half, or where you're tracking roughly now and therefore what you're expecting to see in the second half? Then also just sort of what gives you confidence in this path to full recovery by 2024, and what are you seeing in sort of Asia Pacific and China as well? Thank you very much.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Okay.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

I'll do the first one.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Just in terms of shop visits, Olivia, you saw just over, I think just over 400 in the first half, and we're guiding to around between 1,100 and 1,200 over the full year. The big driver of that frankly is the engine flying hours growth. As that growth comes back, the shop visits follow. That's what we're seeing effectively being scheduled as we go into the second half. That's the big driver around that.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yep. On engine flying hour trajectory then, as I said a few moments ago, for the first half as a total, then we're at about 60% of 2019 levels. We guided for between 60% and 70% for the year as a whole. We're reasonably comfortable with that now because obviously having got to 60% for the first half, the exit rate is above 60%. You know, we track it on a weekly basis and, you know, we're round about, or we have had over recent weeks, around about 60, 65% or so. Now, exactly how much of that is gonna continue into Q4, it's hard for us to say.

You know, having reached 65%, we're pretty confident. We can see through our Power Systems business actually early signs of the lockdown situation in China starting to get a bit better. The lockdown situation in China has been the key deterrent for the Rolls-Royce fleet of engines in terms of keeping our engine flying hours back. I think that's gonna be a contributory factor in the second half to move up from these rates towards the 70% as we get to the year end. You know, elsewhere in Asia, you know, we are seeing demand and, you know, flights full.

We spoke to a lot of airlines at Farnborough a few weeks ago and, you know, people are reporting full flights and challenges with actually being able to sort of deliver on those. It's not a demand issue at the moment. We're still confident of that recovery in 2024. I think it'll depend, you know, the actual rate will depend on, you know, the broader economic climate. It's a little bit too early to speculate on that actual rate, but you can see us getting very close to 2019 levels by 2024.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Just maybe give a little bit more color around China. I think when we look back to 2019, China was around. China airlines were about

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

17%-

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

...of engine flying hours. They're around 11 at the moment, and they're at 40% of 2019 levels. There's quite a lot of scope.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Mm.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

For growth within that.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

As those lockdowns ease.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah.

Olivia Charley
Associate, Goldman Sachs

Brilliant. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Humphrey from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Andrew Humphrey
Executive Director of Head of European Aerospace and Defence Research, Morgan Stanley

Hi. Good morning, and thanks very much. I've got a couple on power systems, if I may. Firstly, it seems like a lot of the strength you highlighted in orders there was around you know backup power supply and the like. Can you go into a bit more detail on what is driving that particular strength in the short term? Clearly a lot of the discussions that we're having at the moment are around potential gas shortages in Europe over the winter.

Is there any kind of overlap there with your business? Secondly on that, I wanted to ask a bit more about inventory. You've highlighted that you're expecting some unwind in the inventory you've built up over the second half of the year. I wanted to kind of ask about the character of that. I mean, is that inventory build in the first half, has that been sort of prophylactic to protect against some of the supply chain issues that we're seeing? Or are there kind of project delays that we need to keep an eye on? To what extent are those within your control?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Okay. Let me kick off. I think some of the demand that we're seeing around power gen at the moment is a little bit of, you know, recovery from projects that were held up during 2020 and 2021. You know, we're seeing the orders come through from those now. Yes, power gen has been strong. With regard to the sort of overall energy situation, gas potential gas rationing in Europe and so on, actually this is being a positive driver for us, not so much in terms of power gen, but in terms of, you know, demand for engines for fracking as people seek to mitigate the gas supply challenges.

We've actually seen a positive impact as a result of that. I think the inventory build. No, it's not to do with project delays. It's to do with a combination of proactive building for the second half, which under normal circumstances we do anyway in Power Systems to manage our load throughout the year. But also, the supply chain challenges and the blockages. I think Panos said a few moments ago, mentioned about the semiconductors that we've seen holding us back in Power Systems. Some of it is undoubtedly due to that.

One of these task forces that Panos referred to and is specifically around semiconductors in Power Systems and you know we have been successful there and we've secured supplies for ourselves and for our suppliers so that we can get that inventory shifted in the second half of the year. We're continuing with that task force, by the way, because you know we do anticipate that to be a very tight situation, at least into the middle of 2023. We want to clear the way ideally through to the end of 2023 as far as that particular part of the supply chain is concerned.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. Maybe just give you a little bit of a broader feel around supply chain within.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Power Systems, 'cause it was. I think at this time last year, we were highlighting it as, you know, we could see some of that coming, and it's maybe an advantage of having a shorter cycle business within the group that we can see that a little bit earlier than maybe in the longer cycle businesses. Every week, there's broadly 30-50 suppliers that the team there are constantly monitoring what is going on there. 'Cause any one, and not just microchips, it could be across a number of areas, that any one of those could cause a bit of a line stop. So they manage it at a very tight level, and you can see that, what that trends looks like on a week-to-week basis. So it's that sort of level of granularity to make sure we keep production going.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Tracking that, we saw through the second half of last year, and we reported, in fact, at our full year results how that had trended down during the second half of the year and into Q4. It has trended up again in the first part of this year. You know, what we're seeing is the impact of that right now. I think that's it. Thanks, Andrew.

Andrew Humphrey
Executive Director of Head of European Aerospace and Defence Research, Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Thanks. Sorry my line just went dead for a minute.

Operator

Thank you, Andrew. The next question comes from the line of Nick Cunningham from Agency Partners. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Nick Cunningham
Managing Partner and Analyst, Agency Partners

Thank you very much. Good morning, everybody. Yes, coming back to EFH, it looks very much like you'll hit the 80% number sometime in 2023, perhaps on average for 2023 as a whole. You used to say not so long ago that that 80% was key to a free cash flow of, I think as much as GBP 750 million. Do you still recognize that number? Does it still stand? If not, what's different? You know, in very broad terms, what are the big deltas, if you like? Second question might be more general and sort of geopolitical, if you like, around China risk.

I mean, Russia's obviously shown us the risk to trapped assets for Western corporates. China's several orders of magnitude bigger than that, plus also a much greater supply chain risk, and it's a really big end market, which Russia wasn't. Is there anything at all Rolls-Royce can do to manage that risk? Or is it just there? Or at least is there something you can do to manage that risk on a medium term basis? Is it something you think about? Thank you.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. I didn't actually fully hear that second part of that question. Did you?

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

No.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

No.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

To the EFH one.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

I think, let's do the EFH one. I mean, broadly, Nick, yes. We at the same time gave a rule of thumb that said approximately GBP 30 million for 1% . You know, if we are around about 60%-65%, for you know, somewhere between 60% and 70% for the year as a whole, then, you know, the extra sort of 15% gives us an extra GBP 450 million, which broadly puts us into the zone. I don't think we're sort of too far out. Now, obviously, there's been, you know, since we made that comment, there's been a huge number of puts and takes and changes in the boundary conditions around there. Yeah, I think if you peer at those numbers, you can still see it.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah, I guess the bit I'd add on that, you know.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Mm-hmm

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Lots of things have changed since then. We talked about some of the other risks and challenges. We'll give guidance on 2023 when we get there.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

When we get there, yeah. Absolutely. Nick, is there any chance you could sort of repeat the China bit of the-

Nick Cunningham
Managing Partner and Analyst, Agency Partners

Yeah, sorry. What I was saying was that there's clearly increasing geopolitical risk around China, around supply chain, end market demand, potential trapped assets like we saw in Russia. Is there anything that Rolls-Royce can do to manage that risk in perhaps not in the near term, but in the medium term? Or is it just too big to be able to manage that?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. Well, look, China remains an important market for us for both Civil Aerospace and for Power Systems. You know, for the time being, we're continuing to do that business in China. You know, I see huge demand for air travel in China on wide body jets, and I don't actually see the Chinese getting those jets from anywhere else right now other than the Western suppliers. You know, so the Chinese airlines remain important customers for us, I think, for the foreseeable future. Yes, there's geopolitics which is going to happen around that, but you know, we can only control what we can control, and that means supporting our Chinese customers.

In terms of the supply chain, you know, we totally understand that, you know, there may be some tightening of the export control, sort of in regulations and what we're allowed to source from where and so on. But we aren't hugely dependent on Chinese suppliers and in most cases, you know, we have multiple suppliers for every vital commodity that we really need or every vital part. We do have, you know, a small handful of single source suppliers, but we're not really seeing China as a major risk there at the moment. It's one to be monitored. It's clearly in the discussion for us as an executive team. It's clearly in discussion, for us as a board, and I think you can rely on us behaving quite sensibly around that.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Well, I think to speak on that specifically coming into this year, a lot of things changed geopolitically as we came into this year. What we've been very active in doing and

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Warren talked about as an executive, as a board, making sure we properly scenario plan. We looked at two particular new emerging risks coming into the year, inflation and how we were gonna manage and risk manage around inflation, then the other one was around China.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

It was.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

What if there was something very dramatic on China? We're not just gonna wait to react to it. What can we do now to make sure we're in the right position?

Nick Cunningham
Managing Partner and Analyst, Agency Partners

Thank you. That's encouraging. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you, Nick. Please stand by. The next question comes from the line of Harry Breach from Stifel. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Harry Breach
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Yes. Good morning, Warren. Good morning, panos.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Good morning.

Harry Breach
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Thanks for taking my question. I'm sorry if I've missed something, the line quality here has been a bit troublesome. Two questions I have. Firstly, guys, time and material, we almost don't talk about it anymore on the calls, but it more than doubled in the first half, and it was more than all of your P&L aftermarket revenue growth. Yet we're still less than half below our previous 50% below our previous sort of first half sort of peaking levels in T&M. I'm just wondering if you can give us any flavor in terms of shop visit demand on that side of the business, how that's trending. Secondly, guys, just sort of returning to a popular theme of escalation.

On the OE side, my understanding is that it applies to your schedules of PDPs and PUPs, right? So therefore, it's gonna accelerate the cash you get coming in. So you should, in fact, get on the OE side at any rate, you should be getting a benefit from timing from higher escalation rates, right? We've shown it if you cash in. Is that a correct understanding on the OE side, or is there something I'm missing?

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Were you able to look the detail on T&M just then?

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

I think you're probably looking at one of the notes in the accounts around things that are a point in time as opposed to over time. Within T&M, there will be pure T&M that you're referring to, but there'll also be elements that are covered under our long-term service agreement that aren't within the scope of that. There'll be some parts, for example, that end up being within that. Going forward, we see T&M being, as we get to a more normalized level, it's still around, from a Civil Aerospace perspective, think of it as around 20% of the business. When we're at the levels now and as we're going through that recovery, you can get some of the distortions that you're talking about.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. And the escalation clauses on OE and the timing, I think this is a variation on the very first question, actually, about the timing of us getting cash payments and escalation and the cost coming out later. It's the same answer. You know, we manage the contracts. Obviously it's good to be able to enforce escalation, and then we have to manage the cost side of the equation. You know, that's what we're doing, and that's what we've described. If we can tilt that balance so that the customer and the supplier piece is in our favor and we can do that in a win-win way with our suppliers, then that's good news, and that's what we're setting out to do.

Harry Breach
Aerospace and Defence Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Okay. Thank you very much.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Thanks, Harry.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you, Harry. Now we're going to take our last question. The last question comes to the line of Zafar Khan from Citi. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Zafar Khan
Annuity Product Analyst, Citi

Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Good morning.

Zafar Khan
Annuity Product Analyst, Citi

I've got a couple of clarification questions, please, and then one on costs. Starting with the costs one, I noticed the commercial admin costs in the first half is up by about 15%, half-on-half. Just wondered if there was something off in there, or it's just, as business resumes and starts to take off, the cost inflation then comes in. Then the two clarifications, please. Just on the indexation, I imagine there must be a cap in terms of how much inflation can be charged in any year, and then there's kind of acts of God. With inflation running at 9%-10%, will you have to bear quite a bit of that increase yourselves? Because I imagine you'll have to share the pain with the customers.

Just a clarification on the cash and shop visit. I think in answer to David's question, Panos, you were saying that you expect a lot more shop visits and therefore that should help the LTSA cash inflow. I'm getting confused here. I was under the impression that shop visits means you can recognize revenue, which is basically a P&L item. You know, if you're doing the work, then you're incurring cash costs. More shop visits that you have, okay, it benefits the P&L, but it's negative for cash flow. Just need a clarification on that, please.

Panos Kakoullis
CFO, Rolls-Royce

I can pick up all three of those. I think you talked about the CNA growth around 16%. There is an element that's effectively underlying growth of the businesses in fulfilling on the Power Systems sides, that sort of growth. Then as Civil Aerospace picks up. You have also. You're anniversarying a one-off too. In last year's comparative, we have got a benefit of furlough for part of the period. That, as we get into the full year, you should see a more normalized level of growth. In terms of indexation, I think there was a question earlier on similar sort of theme. It's not a cap, it's a collar. Up to a certain level, we can pass it on.

There's a collar of a couple, two or three percentage points that we can't pass on. Then beyond that, what's called effectively a hyperinflationary clause kicks in, which means we can pass on again. There's not a ceiling on this. You're bound to have customer discussions around how that is gonna be enforced and how it works. What's gonna be important for us is we apply rigorous commercial discipline in having those discussions. The point I was making on your final question was, I think, 'cause David was asking, how much is that LTSA creditor gonna grow? What causes it to grow is engine flying hours, cash comes in. What causes it to shrink is shop visits happening.

Because as the shop visit happens, it comes out of that and goes into revenue in the P&L. That's. When David was asking me, how much is it gonna grow by? Engine flying hours cause it to go up. Shop visits cause it to go down a bit. That's how I would. In terms of what that means from a cash perspective, if you think about it from a P&L perspective, the costs that go with the shop visit would similarly go into the P&L at the same time. You'd see the revenue and the cost to do with the shop visit going through the P&L. That turns into operating profit, in terms of the start of your bridge, from operating profit to free cash flow.

Zafar Khan
Annuity Product Analyst, Citi

Well, that's helpful. Thank you very much.

Warren East
CEO, Rolls-Royce

Yeah. I'm being told there are no further questions. Just to quickly summarize, you know, the message that we've been talking about this morning is one of good progress, and we measure good progress by growth in revenue, growth in orders, big swing round in cash, driven by a strong recovery coming through now in commercial aerospace, driven by continued strength and record orders in our power systems business and good visibility on defense. We've also talked a lot about the operational challenges that we're seeing just the same as everybody else and just the same as we've been talking about.

We're doing a lot of blocking and tackling. We're doing a lot of anticipation and put a lot of long-term protection in to ensure both supply and protection against inflation. Taken together, that progress combined with the discipline, the operational discipline, commercial discipline, protecting us against those external pressures is what's enabling us to maintain our guidance. Yesterday we announced completion of the conditions for the final regulatory approval for the ITP transaction. We're delivering on that commitment of strengthening up the balance sheet and we'll be paying down that debt just as soon as we get the proceeds. That's it. That's the summary of the message. Thank you all very much for joining us.

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