Good day, and welcome to the Q2 FY 2019 conference call of Central Depository Services hosted by Axis Capital. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by entering star then zero on your touch-tone telephone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Aditya Bagul from Axis Capital. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Axis Capital, a warm welcome to the CDSL Q2 FY 2019 conference call. We have from the management, Mr. P.S. Reddy, Managing Director and CEO, Mr. Bharat Sheth, Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Gaurang Shah, Vice President, and Mr. Nilesh Kittur, Assistant Vice President. I shall hand over the call to Mr. Reddy for his opening comments, post which we will open the floor for Q&A. Over to you, sir.
Thank you. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to the Q2 call, earnings call. Pardon me for hoarseness in my voice because of the sore throat. Much of the talk will be done by Bharat Sheth. As regards to business, we have been continuously doing well in the areas that we have taken up for business. Our incremental market share continues to be about 64%, even in the current quarter as well. The aggregate market share of Demat accounts is almost 47.57%. That being what it is, on the unlisted front, unlisted companies are getting listed. It's an additional business. The timeline is not prescribed, but a lot of inquiries are coming, and almost about 200 applications are in the pipeline. Companies, it is mandatory for them only if they are issuing additional capital or if there is any transfers or so.
The government has not fixed any timeline for it, we expect it's only a matter of time. By the time our systems, both the depository systems are ready and interfaced with MCA website for automatic download of filings that the companies have done from the MCA site, this one will pick up. That's what our view. The other front subsidiary wise, CVL is doing as usual, exceedingly well. We have the numbers which Bharat will speak. The new business is National Academic Depository. It is where we have almost all signed up with 460 plus universities, that's also we are ahead of others. It comes to the commodity repository that is work in progress, the MCX settlement for mentha oil was done in the month of October, the 3rd October, if I'm not mistaken, for the mentha oil settlement using the CCRL platform.
We will be doing next month also the other products. It is work in progress, as I said. We are expecting the non-metal, non-agri commodities also to be notified to be handled in the commodity repositories. Once that is done, we'll be able to handle still much more business in this area. We have also launched, what you call VDR, Virtual Data Room. I mean, whenever a company goes for public, there is an activity of consultation among the solicitors, the RTAs, the legal advisors, and the merchant bankers, et cetera. We have provided a Virtual Data Room, and that is being used by both insolvency professionals as well as by the merchant bankers. Of course, the number of issues are less. That's why it's not picked up as yet.
We expect it to provide a good competition in the domestic market to the current players who are mostly foreigners. Foreign products are in the offering. We are also doing well in the space of e-voting, and of course, a new entrant has come in the form of Link Intime. We continue to retain our market share and grow without any hit on our revenues or on our number of companies that we are servicing at this point in time. It is too early, probably, but that's the way it is. I will hand over to Bharat to speak something more on these issues.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. First, I will give you consolidated results for quarter ended September 2018 versus quarter ended June 2018. That is quarter-on-quarter. The consolidated total income is up by 25%, that is INR 63 crore in September 2018 as compared to INR 51 crore in June 2018, mainly on account of overall improvement in operational income and around 89% increase in other income from INR 5 crore to INR 10 crore on the current quarter. The profit after tax is up by 37%, that is from INR 22 crore to INR 30 crore, which was due to controlling the expenditure. The expenditure was marginally up by 2% on quarter-on-quarter basis, that is INR 22 crore to INR 22 crore with LX. Quarter ended September 2018 to quarter ended September 2017, that is year-on-year basis, consolidated basis.
The consolidated total income increased by 11%, that is INR 63 crore in September 2018 as compared to INR 56.4 crore in September 2017. The operational income increased by 12% from INR 47 crore to INR 53 crore, mainly due to increase in annual issue charges and online data charges, that is KYC income. Other income has increased by 7%, from INR 9 crore to INR 9.74 crore in current quarter. The PAT, profit after tax, is up by 12%, that is from INR 26.8 crore to INR 30.15 crore. The expenditure was higher by 20% on a year-on-year basis, that is INR 18.7 crore to INR 22.5 crore. The effective tax rate has reduced from 29% to 25%. On standalone results. Quarter ended September 2018 to quarter ended June 2018, quarter-on-quarter basis.
Standalone total income is up by 19%, that is INR 48.2 crore in September 2018 as compared to INR 40.4 crore in June 2018, mainly on account of overall improvement in operational income and around 81% increase in other income from INR 4 crore to INR 7 crore in current quarter. The increase in PAT by 35%, that is from INR 16.3 crore to INR 22.1 crore, mainly on account of controlling expenditure increase in operational income. The expenditure is slightly up by 1% on quarter-on-quarter basis, that is INR 18.5 crore for June 2018, increased to INR 18.6 crore for September 2018. Whereas for quarter ended September 2018 to quarter ended September 2017, that is year-on-year basis, the total income up by 7%, that is INR 48.2 crore in September 2018 as compared to INR 45.10 crore in September 2017. The operational income increased by 6% from INR 38.8 crore to INR 41.03 crore.
Other income increased by 14% to INR 7 crore from INR 6.3 crore. The increase in PAT is 8%, that is from INR 20.5 crore to INR 22.09 crore. The expenditure was higher by 18% on a year-on-year basis, that is INR 15.8 crore to INR 18.6 crore. The effective tax rate has reduced from 30% to 25%. Overall, on quarter-on-quarter basis, situations improved very much as such. I now open forum for question and answer session.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may enter star 1 on their touch-tone telephone. If your questions have been answered and you wish to withdraw yourself from the queue, you may enter star 2. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. We have the first question from the line of Prakash Kapadia from Anived Portfolio Management Services. Please go ahead.
Yeah, thanks for taking my question. I had two questions. If I look at the employee cost for the consolidated results, they are up 20% at INR 16.5 crore.
How much of this would you attribute to newer businesses and how much would be due to existing business, what would be the number of employees as on date?
Yeah. See, number of employees increased from 226 to 238.
Okay.
Mainly in new business, that is commodity business, that has increased. About increase in salary, one, number of employee increase. Second, think that performance linked bonus, what we have declared in March 2018, that has got impact. Otherwise, general increments are there. Overall increments.
Okay. Performance base was paid in last quarter as well as this quarter, or was it this quarter, sir?
No. That is every quarter. Means on a monthly basis we are paying performance linked bonus, prorated 12 months. Declared in March 2018. Whereas in last year, corresponding year, March 2017, whatever we have declared, we have paid. There is a difference.
Understood. Sir, if I look at the CVL business, we've seen a strong growth after some of the challenges which were mentioned in Q1 for the CVL businesses. Revenues have grown from INR 9.6 crores to INR 13.8 crores. Now is that business back on track? What has changed during the quarter? If you could give us some sense on the CVL business, that'll be helpful.
Yeah. Prakash, the growth essentially is driven by one is the online account opening and using the Aadhaar and the mutual fund investments, increase in mutual fund investors.
Now, the problem now is RRBs using this e-facility.
Device. Right.
KYC. They're asking us to use the QR code. We have already advanced the stage of development. Maybe very shortly, means really very shortly, we are going to deploy and replace it with QR code-based Aadhaar verification. Once that is done, the client will be seamlessly onboarded as if there is a Aadhaar-based verification in place. That will happen now shortly, as I said. We don't see any challenges in this front.
Right.
Yes, there is an additional cost associated with this because of the developments and other things. Yes, it is adapted to that extent. Yeah.
Right. Last quarter, sir, what I was trying to understand is last quarter, there were some mutual funds and some specific challenges. Are some of those challenges were obviously, revenue growth here, as you mentioned, is a function of online KYC or mutual funds that are drivers to the business, but some of the challenges which we are facing, those seem to be sorted out, right?
Yes. They are already sorted out. Yes.
Right. Sir, lastly, you mentioned in your opening remarks about unlisted companies. If you look at the government circular, it says December is the actual deadline. If you could give us some sense on, there are around, I think, 70,000 public unlisted companies. What could be the overall revenue pool? Is pricing clear in terms of annual fee, one-time fee? Because circular also mentions about they maintaining a two-year security deposit with us. If you could give us.
There's no deadline of December. What the essential is saying is transfers cannot happen, maybe. That is the way that you are looking at it. Okay.
Okay.
Any new capital that is to come in, it has to come in Demat. Okay. Look at a company which is not raising any new resources, then it is not required to immediately come into the Demat. Similarly, they also said you need to give a two years issuer fee as a deposit.
Right.
The second thing is we have come out with a new tariff structure. New tariff structure in the sense, up to INR 5 crores, the current tariff is INR 9,000.
Right.
Now up to 2,005, I'm sorry.
2.5 crores.
2.5 crores. INR 5,000 is the tariff that is prescribed by the agencies concerned. Now we have one more slab is introduced so that the smaller companies are benefited, and they won't resist it. Beyond that, there is no change in the tariff. Okay.
Okay.
We are expecting more and more companies to do that. We have also introduced. I'm sorry, there's one more change in the tariff. The processing fee will be INR 15,000 instead of INR 20,000. That's another one.
All right. That is as per our pricing policy or that is?
Pardon. I'm really sorry to interrupt, but we have participants waiting in queue, sir. You'll have to come back with your questions.
Okay.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Dharik Patel from Active Alpha. Please go ahead.
I have a couple of questions. First one is, what is the status on R Gandhi report? Secondly, why other current liabilities have increased from approximately INR 18 crores in March to INR 50 crores in September quarter?
Okay. On regards to R Gandhi recommendations, maybe to be precise, you are talking about the term of the MD, et cetera. Okay. As per the new regulations, even R Gandhi committee also has not recommended, SEBI thought it is appropriate to have proper governance structure in place. The MD of a depository or market infrastructure institution, not just depository, be that exchange, clearing corporation or a depository, cannot serve more than two terms of maximum five years each. I have completed my two terms, the SEBI, when we went for a five-year, my board has given an extension of five years. We sent to SEBI. SEBI gave me only one-year extension pending these recommendations to be converted into regulations. On third, second October, the regulations have come. The regulations say that only two terms that I am.
Two terms of five years each. They are taking two terms or five years, whichever is get hit. Probably, I am not sure at this point in time, we need to revise the policy and send it to SEBI. I understand as it stands today, I may not continue beyond 31st March 2019. That's the way it is.
How about SEBI was planning to open depository services to corporates. What is going on in this direction?
Come again? I didn't understand this.
SEBI, a couple of months ago, SEBI was planning to open depository services to corporates or private entities. They'll be able to enter in depository services.
Yes. Those institutions are already amended with the third October. The sponsor concept has gone. The holding of sponsors now they can easily divest it in whichever way they want it. Banks are free to sell off their stake, whatever they have it. Substantial amount, floating stock will be available. Now, by this, corporates can only maximum take 15%, not more than that.
I wanted to know, can any other corporates enter in this depository services business?
They can enter subject to a maximum of 15%. SEBI approves them as an eligible, fit, and proper person for holding it.
Who can enter in this business? Are there specific banks or any other financial institution? Apart from them, any other?
There's no restriction. Anybody who is willing to put that money and then promote a company, and then bring INR 100 crore, but only maximum 15% they can hold. They can start a depository.
The final question about the current liabilities.
About the current liability, whatever issuer incomes, what we are annually we are charged. Prorated it, so it shows a current liability. Whatever annual income what we are getting, we have prorated it. For six months, it shows as an advance receipt from customers. Okay, got it?
Okay.
We issue a bill and we issue a bill in the month of April. That is, we collect it. That is a portion over the four quarters and prorated. Okay.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Pawan Kumar from Ratnatraya Capital. Please go ahead.
Hello, sir. Can I have the breakup between the transaction charges, IPO, corporate action charges, and annual issuer charges?
For the quarter you want it?
Yes.
For the quarter, no? One minute.
Yes. For all the four.
For Q2, annual issuer charges is INR 16 crores.
Okay.
Transaction charge is INR 10.26 crores.
Okay.
IPO corporate action charge is INR 6.16 crores.
Okay.
Online data charge is INR 10.17 crores.
Okay. Sir, last year we had a significant amount of income from this IPO corporate action charges, but this year seems to be much more drier. What are your thoughts on, is there any possibility of any growth in this, or we have to cover up by revenues from the other streams?
No. It depends on the market as such. If the market is good, more number of IPOs come, then definitely it will increase. It depends on the market.
Okay. We are almost flat on the transaction charges basis, right?
Correct.
Okay. Fine, sir. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks.
Okay.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Agam Shah from Raj Trading. Please go ahead.
Hi. Can you tell me, first call, so on the storage, so what do you include in the data storage and all?
Data storage. See, online data charges is there, and data storage is there. Previously, physical copy at the initial stage for mutual fund investment, all KYC physical documents we were taking.
We are maintaining.
We are maintaining. At present also, we are maintaining for those who are 45 lakh investor accounts. All these physical documents on behalf of mutual funds we are maintaining. Per annum we are charging on that basis. That is a document storage charges.
In the data entry and storage, this is the one component you are saying, right? This is the only component or any other component is there?
That is a document storage charge. Online data charges is a KYC charges.
KYC charges. These are the two components in data entry and storage all right?
Correct.
Okay. The growth which I've seen on the quarter was due to maybe the KYC and the mutual fund incremental and all. Due to that, the growth is there on that end, right?
Yeah.
Okay. On the dematerialization for the private companies part, any timeline or anything, what is happening out there?
Dematerialization means?
Dematerialization of the private company.
Right. As of now, MCA has not mandated it. It is voluntary for them to do it. The regulation that came is only for public limited companies. Okay?
Okay.
We look at the progress of this. They expect other private limited companies also to go for it.
You expect in near term to be.
These are all regulatory issues. We should not hazard a guess.
Okay. I think you're sufficiently sitting cash at bank balance with around INR 42 crores. Any plans to acquire something or as such, or to make any investments as such, or no?
On an average. Surplus cash we are investing in mutual fund, FMPs, bonds, all we are doing. CapEx requirement, whatever on an average INR 5-6 crores, that on an average we are required. Otherwise, everything we are investing in.
Investing. Okay. Got you.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Harit Shah from Reliance Securities. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Thank you, sir, for the call. Sir, you gave the breakup of issuer charges, transaction charges. Do you have the year over figure, please?
Yeah.
Yeah
you want on quarter basis, no? Quarter 2017.
Yes, that's right. FY 2017. FY 2018, sorry.
That is okay. September 2017, that is Q2 2018, what you are meaning to say?
That's right.
Again, INR 13.65 crores for Q2 2017, we are having INR 16 crores for annual issuer charges.
Correct.
Transaction charges are flat INR 10 crores, INR 10 crores, et cetera.
Right.
E-voting charges from INR 2.69 crore to INR 3.21 crore. IPO corporate action charges, INR 8.43 crore for Q2 2017, it went down to INR 6.16 crore for Q2 2018. Online data charges from INR 6.82 crore to INR 10.17 crore.
INR 6.82 crore?
INR 6.82 crore online data charges, it went up to INR 10.17 crore.
Okay. Thank you, sir. Do we have the figure of the total number of Demat accounts as of end of this quarter? I think 1.53 crore last quarter.
It is INR 1.60 crores for September. Hello? INR 1.60 crores.
Got you, sir. Just one last question. The breakup of the other income, if you have that.
That is mostly investment income.
Okay. No, sir, because there was pretty substantial increase from the first quarter to this quarter. That would be what, related to MTM?
Yeah, MTM.
Okay, great. Fine. I just want to get that data point. Thank you, sir.
Thanks.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Abhishek Jain from Valin Capital. Please go ahead.
Congratulations for the good set of numbers, sir.
Yeah, thank you.
Sir, I just wanted to understand, sir, you told in the initial statement of yours that this virtual data, that is insolvency and merchant bankers. What will be the market size for the same, and can you just throw some more light upon the same?
See, when the IPOs come, we figure CDSL IPO, we have almost all paid about INR 10 lakhs-INR 15 lakhs for that Virtual Data Room. Okay?
For one client?
Come again.
Your voice is breaking. Yeah.
Yeah. We have paid almost all INR 10 to 15 lakhs for one IPO, our CDSL IPO, and that happened to be some Australian company. Okay? For each of the IPOs, the various vendors are there. Most of them are foreign companies. Hardly an Indian company is there. We work usually network of merchant bankers. Since merchant bankers work with us also, there is a synergy out there. Using the merchant bankers, we are propagating the usage of our VDR. Our cost of investment is hardly anything. Kitchen table we developed, and it's in-house, and there's hardly any cost for us. That's the way it's. Hello?
Yeah.
Hello, you got it?
Mr. Jain, can I say your question?
Actually, voice was breaker. Hello?
Yeah.
Hello.
Actually, this is a software.
Hello. This is a platform we are providing to the issuers, those who are coming with IPO thing. There are various, what we call solicitors and merchant bankers, auditor, everything has to come together, and whatever data they have passed, they have to store in that software only. For that matter only, we are charging to the company. At present, nobody in India is doing such type of business.
How are you charging? What are the charges for the same, and how you see the market space of the same?
No, that depends on number of months, how many months.
Okay.
It has just started, but it depends on number of months license you require to operate this account.
The space required.
Space required.
Space required. Okay. Can you just give me a sense of idea that how our revenue will be shaped up there?
No. See, it is in a nascent stage as such.
Once all the companies are going or merchant bankers are going to utilize it, then we will come to it. At present, hardly any income is there, around INR 3 lakh-INR 4 lakh is there. Once it is popular, then definitely we'll get it, more number of IPOs will come, then only it will.
Okay. Do we get any hits on Link Intime ?
No, your voice is breaking.
Hello?
Hello?
Mr. Jain, I'm sorry to interrupt, but the audio is breaking from your line.
Yes.
Could you give us a call back from another instrument? Sir, we move to the next question. We've lost the audio for this participant.
Okay.
The next question is from the line of Amit Chandra from HDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Hello.
Hello. Yeah.
Yeah, sir. Sir, thanks for the opportunity. As you have mentioned that around 200 private companies are in pipeline, and in this quarter you have seen private companies coming from
Public unlisted company.
Yeah.
Public unlisted.
Yeah. Sorry, public unlisted, the growth we are seeing in the annual issue charges, just on quarter-on-quarter basis is 2.1%.
No, it was applicable from October onwards.
October.
Next quarter you will get something.
Okay. In this quarter, when we had.
Nothing is there.
Okay. Sir, you mentioned the revenues for annual issue charges, transaction charges, IPO and online data charges. Except that, the others we are seeing a very steep growth. Others basically consist of the e-CAS, the e-voting and all the other small sources of revenue. What is the reason for huge jump in the others, which is INR 10.5 crores, I think?
No, others means See, all five, I have told you, annual issue charges, transaction charges, e-voting charges, online data charges.
These are the major. Out of INR 53 crore, these are the major component of it. INR 16 plus INR 10, INR 26 plus INR 10, INR 36 and INR 40 crore belongs to that.
Okay.
Six crore of this. It comes to INR 42, INR 45 crore. These are the main component as such.
Right. That's what I'm saying. Apart from that, the total revenue is INR 53 crore. Apart from that also we are seeing huge jump in the others components as compared to last quarter.
Others component, that is INR 1 crore is there instead of INR 31 lakh to INR 1 crore. Because of this, it includes foreign investment participation, that charges are there. FPI monitoring what we are seriously doing. Fund portfolio investor monitoring.
Okay.
Even to both the depositories and almost all 1,800 to 2,000 companies have chosen CDSL. There we are charging INR 25,000 per annum for the BSE 500, NIFTY 500 companies, and for all the rest of the companies it is INR 10,000. That is the, maybe contributor of it.
Okay, sir. Sir, we have seen huge jump in the online data charges. Your comments on the stability of this huge jump. We expect this trend rate to continue or just a one-time thing that we're seeing or there is a change in the way the mutual funds do the KYC or how the competition is reacting to it?
Competition is not a worry to us, because we have almost 1.7 plus crore KYC records with us. Okay? If all KYC is there, that particular intermediary has to necessarily come to me, not to go anywhere else. That is the kind of business rule, regulatory rule that is set up. The only thing is the e-KYC, which we were doing well earlier, and now that has been stopped for some time. Hopefully, this QR code business, we will be able to relaunch that. We are opening online e-OAO. We have a product called e-OAO, Online Account Opening, where seamlessly investor comes to the broker site, he opens Demat account, he opens trading account, he does KYC also. That KYC, after doing it resides in CVL. That's how this product was made.
Now that we are restructuring that, probably except for the gap that we have experienced maybe for the last one month, 15 days to one month, this will again pick it. That's what I.
Okay.
Of course, it all depends on the markets. Unless the investors come to the markets to buy and sell or do some investment in the markets, you will not get this kind of growth.
Can we attribute platforms like Paytm and Zerodha who have started selling mutual funds online, that is also a major contributor to this?
Zerodha is doing exclusively with us. Their KYC is only with us.
Okay.
That doesn't matter for us.
Okay. Okay, sir. Sir, in terms of technology expenses also there has been a steep increase, 44% quarter-on-quarter from INR 2.4 crore-INR 3.4 crore. Any kind of investments you are doing in terms of upgrading our technology?
We have done, new Oracle licenses we bought. Because of the increase in the work, because based on the CPU, their licensing works. When we are hitting about 70, 80% capacity utilization, we have added some more CPUs, so we had to take additional license. That is the reason why it is.
Sir, regarding the other income, so we have seen some volatility in the last two, three quarters. From here on, we can expect stability in the other income or still we have a portfolio which is very much prone to the volatility in the markets?
I thought you would like stable growth. You want quarter-on-quarter how much percentage we grow?
We want stability there, yeah.
Yeah, that's right. The revenue streams are same, yes, there will be a fluctuation in the amount of income that each one of them contribute depending on the market.
Okay.
It depends on interest rates. Interest rates will bounce and because of that mark to market.
Okay, sir. Thank you. Thanks for the clarification.
Thanks, sir.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Nitin Agrawal from JM Financial. Please go ahead.
Thank you, sir, for giving opportunity. Sir, just wanted to ask that in this quarter, the annual issuer charges have increased 17% year-on-year. Traditionally, what we thought was that the annual issuer charge is more of a low growth, 6%-10% kind of a business stream. Can you tell what has been driving this 17% growth year-on-year in the annual issuer charges? Is it that the number of companies which have been dematerialized has increased in this period? Because the fee has not been revised upwards.
Annual issuer charges, we are charging on two basis. One either on a flat basis or on a folio basis, whichever is higher.
Right.
Last year, because of good market conditions, more number of IPOs there, number of folios increases. That has got effect in this. As on 31st March 2018, whatever number of folios are there, on that basis we are billing the company. Because of that only.
Okay. Previous 31st March number of folios you are billing in this year?
Yeah. Correct. Every.
Okay. Sir, my second question is, for the unlisted public companies, we have 200 applications till now, that is what in pipeline which you have said.
Correct.
From the MCA website, what we come to understand is that there are 64,000 odd companies.
Okay. When it is a listed company, they have to mandatorily dematerialize with both NSDL and CDSL. In case of these companies, they can choose between one of the depositories.
Right.
What advantage do we have that we can attract maximum companies to our side vis-a-vis the competitor? Also such a small amount of companies have been registered till now, only 200 out of 64,000. What is your thought about it? What is the timeline which you think that more and more companies will come by this year and next year? Do you have any sense there? If you can answer those two questions.
See, the tariff being the same with both depositories, what guides the companies is the service.
Yeah.
Some of them are coming directly, especially as groups they are coming. If it is a big industrial group, they are bringing all their issues to us and seeking some discount in the processing fee. We are not giving it in the annual issuer charges. That is the way they are looking at it. The RTAs are the ones which are maximum supporting us. We hope once the online application processing is released, where ISIN also gets created online. Admission will happen online. That's the way we are going. Where the companies are not required to enter the data themselves. It will download from MCA site. By the end of November, we are expecting that portal to be up and running at both the ends. Both repositories have to do that. Once that is done, probably actually the growth will pick up.
That's what our view.
Okay. Do we have any specific advantage over our competitor that we will be able to, other than the discounts on one-time fee which that even the competitor might be able to offer?
Yes, our marketing teams are on the street all the time.
Okay.
As I said, relationship works in this business and our business development teams are constantly pursuing the companies, especially those who are using e-voting services, those who are using FPI or monitoring services as well as the IEPF accounts they opened. Good number of companies have chosen CDSL over the competition. I think that will help us. That's the way I can at this point in time say.
Okay. Thank you. That answers all my questions.
Thank you.
Thank you. Before we move to the next question, we would like to request participants to limit their questions to one during the initial round. We have the next question from the line of Giriraj Daga from K.M. Visaria Family Trust. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hello, team. Just a follow-up on the online data charges. When you mentioned that now we are moving to QR codes, how the competitors are taking up this matter? Mostly everyone is moving from bar-based to QR code or there's a different mechanism there?
Even QR code is also online available. Essentially what way it will happen is, investor will go to our site, he will download the QR code, digitally signed one from seamlessly, and then that QR code is read by the depository or the service provider, and then embed that data into the application. Everybody else has no choice but to do that. There's no other way.
Okay. More or less everybody is on the same page in terms of competition also.
That's right.
Okay, this is the last small accounting. Why the debtors have moved up 50%, like trade receivables compared to September quarter?
Trade receivables, because of these annual issuer charges, sir. Debtors, around 70%-80% pays in first quarter, second quarter, and balance always. Based on 31 March, if you compare, debtors are more during this period.
They are 50% as from INR 18 crore-INR 27 crore.
Yes. Because of that.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Pawan Kumar from Ratnatraya Capital. Please go ahead.
Sir, about the tax rate, what is the sustainable tax rate that we can assume? This quarter, it has been 25%, whereas last year it was 29% around.
Sir, it depends on the mark-to-market investment, where other incomes are more, my tax rate would be accordingly adjusted as such. Capital gain benefits and capital losses are there that I can adjust it. Indexes and benefits.
Can you give any breakup on how much was the capital gain and how much is the normal proportion in the other income?
Capital gain, exact figure I don't have right away, but I can give you later on.
Okay. For the full year, would it be fair to assume a 30% tax rate?
Effective tax rate comes to 25%.
Okay.
Otherwise, 29.12% is a normal tax applicable to us.
Okay. Since we are under INR 250 crores revenue, our tax rate is not 25%?
No, it is 25% only. 25% plus 12% surcharge and 4% education surcharge, it comes to 29.12%.
Okay. Thank God. Thanks.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Mansi Shah from Kapro Capital. Please go ahead.
Hi. Sir, could you please repeat the market share data?
Market share data. Market share. See, we are having a 1 crore 60 lakhs account.
Okay.
Other competitor has 1 crore 77 lakhs account. We are having a 47.57% market share.
Okay.
Okay?
Okay. Sir, incremental market share?
Incremental market share comes to 64%.
Okay.
For this quarter.
Sir, in terms of the KYC business, what is the market share?
We have our numbers. Informally, we know what the competition, four of them are there, what they are holding.
Yeah.
Our market share works out to be about 60%.
Okay. That's all. Thank you.
Sure.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, you may enter star and one. We have the next question from the line of Aditya Bagul. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Thank you for taking my question. I just have one question. We have about INR 620-INR 650 odd crore of cash and investments in our books. Is there a plan to increase our dividend payouts? I think our dividend payout was about 37% last year.
No. Dividend payout ratio on consolidated basis, 42% was there last year. On standalone basis, 57%.
Okay. Sorry, sir.
Dividend yield of 1.5% is there, which is quite good.
Right, sir. Is there a plan to increase? Because I don't think we have immediate use for such high levels of free cash on our balance sheet.
Yeah. We definitely consider your suggestion.
Sure, sir. Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dharik Patel from Active Alpha. Please go ahead.
I just wanted to confirm, the incremental market share you mentioned is 64%, right?
Yes. For second quarter.
Same I think was 71% in first quarter FY 2019.
Yes. Correct. You are right.
That's coming down, right?
Yes. Quarter to quarter, yes.
All right. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as we have no further questions, I would like to hand the floor back to the management for closing comments. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you everyone for participating. I wish all of you a happy Diwali and a prosperous new year. Maybe you look forward to increasing the floating capital of the company. Maybe some of the sponsors may be divesting, keen to divest maybe. With that, I thank one and all.
Thank you very much, all.
Thank you, gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Axis Capital Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Swati.
Thank you, sir.