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Q4 25/26

May 7, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the eMudhra Limited Q4 and FY 2026 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes, should you need assistance during this conference call? Please signal an operator by pressing star, then zero on your touch tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Venkatraman Srinivasan, Executive Chairman. Sir, thank you, and over to you.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Thank you. Good afternoon to everyone joining us in this conference call today. I welcome all of you to our FY 2026 results call and thank you for your continued trust in our company. FY 2026 was a year of compounding momentum for us. We closed the year with a total income of INR 7,132 million, up 35% year-on-year, and EBITDA of INR 1,654 million, up 30%, and PAT of INR 1,100 million, up 26%. Over a five-year horizon, we have compounded PAT at 30.5% per annum. Our CFO will take you through the granular numbers shortly. My intent here is to give you the strategic and qualitative texture of the year, where we grew, why we grew, and where we are poised towards. eMudhra today is a three-segment business.

Enterprise solution accounts for 59% of the revenue and grew 55% year-on-year in the last year, with organic growth of 23% and acquisitive growth of 32%. Trust services business represent 20% of the revenue, up 32% last year. Pure services business is 21% of revenue and remained flat, largely in line with the industry trends. In North America, our services business has continued to create enterprise relationships, and we will continue to pursue cross-sell opportunities into our product portfolio from this base. Growth in enterprise solutions has been the defining feature of FY 2026. Our certificate lifecycle management platform, CertiNext, and our identity and access management platform, SecurePass, have added enterprise accounts across financial services, government, energy, and education globally, and the proportion of product-led revenue in our mix has grown.

On geography, international revenue is now 64% of our total and grew nearly 39% year on year. We operate from 15 offices across five regions and serve customers in more than 35 countries. North America accounts for 34% of our revenue, India 36%, Europe 12%, Middle East and Africa 11%, and Asia Pacific 7%. In North America, a notable win this year was a large TLS certificate order for a university federation in the United States, which is a meaningful step in establishing our credibility across U.S. markets. In Europe, the acquisition of CRYPTAS brought with it primesign and eIDAS-aligned trust service provider. CRYPTAS integration is going on. We are actively cross-selling our CLM platform into the CRYPTAS customer base and expect deals to close in the next few quarters.

NIS 2 Directive and DORA continue to drive demand for compliant PKI and identity controls across European banks and critical infrastructure. Critical infrastructure in India. In India, our trust services franchisee continues to perform steadily with our eSign business processing well over INR 3 lakh daily transaction in banking and financial services. In the Middle East, we have completed eSignature workflow rollouts for banking customers in Oman and are seeing continued upgrades across the existing base. Africa is an area of growing focus. We have active DPA deployments underway, including certificate lifecycle management for critical IT infrastructure and eSignature rollouts across government and banking. The continent represents a significant long-term opportunity for our end-to-end DPA stack, covering digital ID, PKI, ePassports and eSign, and we are investing in building our presence there.

On infrastructure, we now have data centers operating in the United States, Europe and the U.A.E. and India, positioned to meet data sovereignty requirements across our key markets. Enterprises and governments are increasingly requiring that cryptographic operations and identity workflows are processed within their jurisdiction, and our multi-region footprint addresses this directly. Our R&D investments in post-quantum cryptography, CertiNext and SecurePass, have translated into customer wins across our target markets. CertiNext added accounts in gaming, ERP, energy and financial services across U.S. and Europe and in critical infrastructure in Africa. SecurePass won mandates with defense agencies, large banks and government departments in India requiring Converged Identity management. Our ongoing R&D is focused on two areas. Agentic AI is being embedded as a capability layer across all our four platforms.

As AI agents act on behalf of the enterprises, they require digital identities, signed authorizations and audit trails which our products are built to operate. The data privacy stack addresses the need to manage, protect, and demonstrate compliance around personal data aligned with India's DPDP Act and GDPR in Europe. On quality and governance in FY 2026, we renewed or maintained CMMI Level 5 WebTrust, ISO 27001, and SOC 2 Type 2 certifications. eMudhra remains the only Indian certifying authority listed in all major browser trust stores. On CSR, our focus has been on digital public infrastructure, skill building and training, where we see a natural role at the intersection of digital identity, PKI and [eGovernance]. FY 2027 is a year of product-led growth organized around three themes. One, cybersecurity.

The convergence of Agentic AI, Zero Trust mandates, post-quantum risk is driving enterprise demand for data security products. DPI deployments in the emerging and frontier markets, several pipeline opportunities in Africa, the Middle East and Asia Pacific are at advanced stages. The SME and banking adoption of emSigner, large untapped opportunity in India MSME segment and across the banking sector, addressed also through product simplification and partner-led distribution. We remain open to selective bolt-on acquisitions where they bring differentiated AI-based cybersecurity capabilities or accelerate our market access. Our ambition is to double PAT over the next three years. The tailwinds are clear. AI, data sovereignty, PQC transition and tightening compliance requirements are all driving demand for the products we build. We remain focused on innovation to develop solutions that are the need of the hour for global markets.

Thank you. I will now hand over to our CFO, Mr. Ritesh Pariyani, for the detailed financial commentary, after which we will be happy to take your questions. Thank you.

Ritesh Pariyani
CFO, eMudhra Limited

Thank you, Chairman. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to share the highlights of our quarter four and financial year 2026 performance. Our total income for quarter four, financial year 2026 was INR 1,966 million, making a 31.7% year-over-year growth. Gross profit for the quarter grew 32.6% year-over-year to INR 1,037 million with a margin of 52.8%. EBITDA for the quarter was INR 441 million, registering a 25.5% year-over-year growth with a margin of 22.4%. Profit after tax for the quarter was INR 296 million, reflecting a 21.6% year-over-year growth with a margin of 15.1%. Now, turning to the financial year 2026 performance.

Total income for the year was INR 7,132 million, representing a 35.1% year-over-year growth. The enterprise solution and service segment generated revenue of INR 5,616 million, while the trust service revenue was INR 1,400 million. EBITDA was INR 1,654 million, registering a 32.6% year-over-year growth with a margin of 23.2%. While PAT was INR 1,100 million, growing 26.2% year-over-year with a margin of 15.4%. That conclude my remarks. Thank you. We may now open the floor for the question and answer session.

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone phone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Surbhi, Bellwether Capital. Please go ahead.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. First of all, thanks for improved disclosures in the PPT. My first question is on the U.S. products business. Google had a policy change on the multipurpose certificate side for the new root certificates, and I think that's on 15 June deadline for all the new root certificates that are going to be issued. We were in a process of getting these approvals done. Wanted to get a sense of what's the update on this side.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Surbhi, I'll take this question. The 15 June was not really a deadline. It was more policy change that they keep effecting every year. Our new roots have been submitted some time back, they are in the process of queuing it up. As you know, they have to distribute these trust stores across all of their, you know, environments like, you know, Chrome, Android, etc. Nothing stops for us because our existing roots are already trusted on Google, and we basically have a transition period where the existing roots will continue to work until the new roots are accepted by Google, right? There is really no impact as such. We just await their process and timeline on the new root acceptance. Until then, we continue to issue from our existing root.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Got it. Got it. With the INR 238 crore order book that we have, you know, called out, wanted to get a sense on what's your outlook on the U.S. product business. What kind of lead pipelines are you seeing? Any POCs that you're doing? How would you attribute, you know, the U.S. product business out of this INR 238 crore?

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Yes. If you see [U.S.] product business, almost last year it was around $6.5 million-$7 million within that range. From there it has come to more than $9.5 million kind of level. That kind of growth we have achieved in the U.S. product itself. Another thing, recently, as we have mentioned, we have got a good order from a University Consortium called InCommon, and they have almost how many universities?

700.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

700 university involved. This order from a U.S. trust service vendor, it has been now given to us. We are going to process the entire TLS certificate for this consortium consisting of so many universities. This is a very big order, and it will give a good visibility across the entire 700 universities and also across several other segment. This has been even the our competitors like DigiCert and then the Keyfactor, they have published about this. They have issued a press statement about this. With this, I feel next year also we can see 25%-30% growth definitely in the U.S. product segment, if not more.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Okay. Will it be possible to quantify, this deal? Ballpark?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Quantify this deal, we are not supposed to intimate the number for each separate deal.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Got it. No problem, sir. It's fair to assume, right, the order book that we have disclosed is largely on the products business side and does not include any service element?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yeah, yeah, product business only. Another thing is the-- if you see, generally we projected 2x the order book. This time, from February end, this war in Middle East started. Some of the Middle East orders which would have come in March, they are all getting delayed. It is getting delayed, nevertheless, it will come. That's where we have projected little over 2x , maybe 2x-2.3 x the order book as the next year projection.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Got it. I have one more question on the PQC product stack. wanted to get a sense that are we seeing any deployment opportunities trying to test this product? Any POCs that we are running on the PQC side?

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Yeah. Quite a few POCs are going on in PQC because now there are clear-cut mandates, both from domestic regulators as well as global bodies on how do you transition. We are working on POC. Some of them will come to fruition at least in a closed user group scenario, effective essentially this financial year. I think there are clear directives by 2029, 2030 that many companies that are running critical infrastructure have to essentially move out of the conventional algorithms to PQC.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Got it. Can you give, Kaushik, can you give some flavor on where these deployments are? Are these in regulated industries like BFSI or healthcare? Any sense on where are we seeing these deployment opportunities?

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Mostly in BFSI, particularly critical large banks. Second is defense, right, and some critical government agencies.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

All right. Thank you. I'll get back in the question queue.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of [Pankaj], an individual investor. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good afternoon. Firstly, lots of congratulations for a fantastic result.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Thank you.

Speaker 8

My quick couple of questions are, one is, Mr. Chairman mentioned that, you’re looking you're open to kind of product acquisitions. What kind of technology or what kind of geography you have in mind for those kind of execution? That’s one. Point number two is there is a dispute which is going with the 3i Infotech, would appreciate if you can put some more light around that.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yeah.

Speaker 8

Third question is, yeah, sorry, you were saying something?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

No, no, no.

Speaker 8

Third question is—

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Maybe firstly we'll answer these two questions, then we will go to the third question.

Speaker 8

Sure, sir.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

First one is?

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Product acquisition.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Product acquisition, as of now, we do not have anything in the pipeline. Mainly, that's why unlike last year and previous year, where acquisitions happened around July, August, it may not happen now. Mostly we may have to evaluate it because in our CLM SecurePass in all these areas, I think our feature set is very good and we are comparing continuously with the global competitors, and we feel that our features are good and with that we can compete. The main area will be the AI, integration of AI into this identity authentication and cybersecurity suite. If any such product company which is a small company is available, that we may consider acquisition. Maybe could be in third quarter or fourth quarter. Still we have not evaluated any company.

If at all such a company is available, most likely it may be in U.S. only. May not be in other geographies. That's where your question of which geography we are thinking could be U.S. only. This is the answer to the first question. Then, the second question is the 3i Infotech. On the 3i Infotech matter, though we clarified everything, after that nothing has moved. We have not got the complaint from the police or any inquiry from the police and all that. Similarly, though they said they are going to file a complaint with SEBI, we have not got anything from them.

Another important thing is the, because they have taken all these actions without giving any opportunity to us to explain or what is to be done and all that, we have also sent a legal notice to 3i Infotech and its directors that what they have done is wrong. There also we are awaiting their reply. As such, nothing really has progressed on either side compared to what it was two months back.

Speaker 8

Thank you, sir. Thanks a lot. My last question is about FY 2027 guidance, both in terms of top line and bottom line.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yeah. FY 2027, we are expecting from a top-line perspective, because as I said that we are not thinking of l ast year, we did acquisition also. There was organic growth and acquisition growth. Organic growth was around 19%. This year, we are expecting an organic growth because the base has also increased around 15%-18%, most likely 18% organic growth is possible. This is what we are expecting. Top line is 18%, but bottom line maybe around between 25%-30%. Could be around 27%, 28% kind of thing. As I said earlier, we want to double the bottom line in a three-year time frame. That is where we are working on. This is the guidance.

Speaker 8

Great, sir. Thank you. Again, lots of congratulations to the whole team.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Thank you.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

One more question you wanted to ask.

Speaker 8

No, I'm good, sir. Thank you.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Thank you.

Speaker 8

Thank you, sir.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. A reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. A reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

I think-

Operator

The next question is from the line of Rishi Maheshwari from Aksa Capital. Please go ahead.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

Hi. Thanks, and congratulations on the great set of numbers. I want to understand on slide 10, the kind of growth driver that you've written from artificial intelligence perspective. My sense is that there are threats and there are opportunities. Opportunities that you've mentioned over there, from the Agentic AI as it as it forms an attack, and the attack surface expanding. Therefore, you know, foundation models is Anthropic Claude, which increases your capacity and scope to work. However, we've also read from several, you know, literature that Mythos is also claiming to have its own software for cybersecurity. To some extent, can you clarify that myth in terms of whether, you know, whether the attackers themselves can have a cybersecurity product?

Because from what I've also read on [Zscaler], and other similar products, they've also been under some form of threat, is what is mentioned in some of the literature or the news articles that have spread across this.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Let me clarify that a bit. This Anthropic, Claude, Mythos, et cetera, are various models, right? With Mythos, the whole idea is it has a completely new set of capabilities to kind of break open any infrastructure, right? In terms of pointing out what kind of vulnerabilities that kind of exist in your infrastructure. Anthropic Mythos is largely a model. It is not a product in itself that it can sort of solve for various things that today various cyber security vendors do. That is to deploy certificates or manage identity. Mythos is a LLM or a foundational model that gives you now advanced capabilities to figure out what the vulnerabilities in your ecosystem are.

You're absolutely right in that context that the attack surface is now significantly expanded because whatever was undetected now becomes to the forefront in terms of now enterprises needing to significantly better their cybersecurity posture, right? Very recently, a couple of days back, a very large public sector bank itself announced that they will ramp up their cybersecurity spends by 50%. That is what Mythos is capable of. Enterprises are obviously more worried, saying what's going to happen. Essentially product companies like us help them better their cybersecurity posture.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

Thanks. Thanks, sir. In the context of this, isn't the guidance that you have claimed at least, you know, for the overall, and I'm presuming large part of it is flowing from enterprise, is slightly underwhelming given the nature of growth, in terms of cybersecurity that is anticipated, should be far higher. What is your thought on this?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

No, we always want to estimate in a reasonable way and then think that under almost, if you see last four or five years, whatever guidance we have given, we have achieved 100%. We don't want to overestimate anything because in the world so many thing can change in spite of all our knowledge and all our belief, everything. That's where this estimate what we are giving with a 100% conviction, without a doubt kind of thing.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

Yes. How would you break this estimate, sir, in terms of revenue? Where would you classify how much growth would come from enterprise, from services and from trust services?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Services, mostly no growth will come because that is in line with the general services trend across the world. Then, the trust services, last year 30% came predominantly in India. This year we estimate 20% will come. The balance growth predominantly will come in the, p ro— enterprise product. That's where the main segment growth. There the growth we estimate is almost 25%-30%.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

Right, sir. What drives this?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Another thing is when we say revenue, even though sometimes the order may come more, it is all because these are all large bank, large government, and other things. When it gets executed, only we can recognize as revenue. For the execution, apart from our software, a lot of time their infrastructure, their team, and so many things are required. With the result, immediately everything may not be able to recognize as revenue. Considering all this only, we are suggesting this kind of an estimate we are giving.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

Generally, sir, are there any changes in the revenue model or the revenue recognition principles, or the way in which the commercialization used to happen versus it is happening now? For instance, within IT services when it's happening from a You know, the change is very large and prevalent from a T&M model to an outcome-based model. Yours was not strictly in that sense, is there any change that is happening, sir?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

That is mainly for the IT service industry. They are talking about the change in the model, but our services is only, in total only 20%-21% is services. In that, if it happens to some extent on the outcome model also, we may not be affected much, and we are not estimating much growth in that segment also.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Product, there is no change. We still continue to do the recurring billing as well as a license model.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

All right. What is driving the efficiency in terms of PAT, growing by about [27%-28%] as you projected?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

That we have, we have. What is [audio distortion] with more product going, because if you see product gross margin is much higher compared to the services and trust services. That's where the gross margin will grow higher. Similarly, EBITDA will grow higher, and PAT will also grow higher if we do more product business.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

Got it.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

If you see product composition, the composition-wise it will increase because the service is not at all growing.

Rishi Maheshwari
Analyst, Aksa Capital

Fair. Fair. Fair. Fair. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. All the best.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Okay. Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Harsh Kachchhi from Banyan Tree Advisors. Please go ahead.

Harsh Kachchhi
Analyst, Banyan Tree Advisors

Hi. Thank you for the opportunity. First of all, congratulations on the great set of numbers. I have a few questions. I'll begin with a couple of them, and then maybe we can proceed with the further questions. My first question is on the line of geography mix. Which geographies do you expect will drive the enterprise solutions growth over the next few years? Are the upfront investments in the senior hires, data center, and the new offices in the U.S. that you set up, are they beginning to translate into stronger deal wins and pipeline conversion over there? Second question is on the India enterprise business. We saw a decline this quarter.

Is this largely due to a high base in Q4 FY 2025, or are there any underlying demand-related factors we should be aware of?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yes. You see, geography-wise, we have invested in senior management resource in the U.S., also we did acquisition in U.S., and that resulted in cross-selling. As I explained earlier, from the last year to this year, our product business grew by almost 30%-35%, from almost $7 million to $9.5 million kind of thing. Now, I also explained we won a recent good order where it is a consortium of universities consisting of seven universities and all that. That momentum is there in the U.S. market. In the U.S., we have also invested in the data center, which is also starting to yield result. The other markets which are growing is the Middle East market as well as the Africa market.

In Africa market, we are in discussion with a number of potential deals, so those will also win. That way we the win will be across many market. Europe market also, through CRYPTAS we are trying to sell our products, where a lot of demos are being given, lot of discussions are happening. Across markets, this will allow. It is not peculiar to one market. Coming to your question on India market. The India market mainly if you see, in one quarter, because the last quarter was much bigger, this quarter is a drop. You will see year as a whole, there is a good growth only. Enterprise business in India also saw a 27.6% growth year as a whole. We cannot exactly see every quarter after quarter what will happen.

That way it is a good growth only.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Yeah. In Q3, we had a deal from defense, which was slightly larger. That's why, yeah, optically it appears that.

Harsh Kachchhi
Analyst, Banyan Tree Advisors

Okay. Understood. Just next couple of questions. One is, trust services grew even strongly after the new income tax circular because of which the requirement for digital signature certificates has come down. What is driving this trust services growth? Secondly, the primesign subsidiary of CRYPTAS, so is the revenue from this particular entity classified under trust services or under enterprise solutions?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

No. Up to now, it is classified under enterprise solution only because still it is sold along with other things also. It is classified under. Our trust services growth is mainly because of the within the partner model, we are enhancing the other services and also the combination of instead of a simple digital signature, the combo certificates are sold, and number also slightly increasing. Then our direct retail is also increasing. With that combi. Earlier we were not focusing on token. Now token also, tokens we are selling separately. Now token also we have put in the portal, and directly people are purchasing the tokens. All these. eSign also has increased. Some of the eSign along with emSigner goes in the enterprise. Pure eSign, which is only used for signature, goes in the trust services.

All this combination has resulted in this 30% growth.

Harsh Kachchhi
Analyst, Banyan Tree Advisors

Understood. Just one last question from my side. Just wanted to understand the level of integration of product in the enterprise solutions business. If you win a client, what are the reasons why they might switch to another vendor, and how difficult it is for them? Just wanted to get some color on this.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

No, our products are fairly core. The two products that we largely sell is the identity authentication and access, and then the certificate lifecycle management. These sit at the heart of many of their core workflows. For instance, the authentication system for a large bank essentially powers customer authentication when you log into internet banking. That way, we are more core to the system than peripheral. We think that the switchability or replacement is a cumbersome affair for anybody that once they implement it, they try and do that right.

Harsh Kachchhi
Analyst, Banyan Tree Advisors

Understood. Thank you so much. I will join back with you.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Surbhi from Bellwether Capital. Please go ahead.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Hi. I wanted to understand more on the cross-sell opportunities. I think you were looking at some opportunities on identity and access management solution in the U.S. Wanted to get some sense on what's the traction there and is anything materializing?

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

The identity access management, we've not taken to the U.S. because that is still not part of the full plan. More focus was on certificate lifecycle management where there is, you know, good traction building up. Like we said, the new order that we won is giving more impetus to that as of now. As of now, the identity access management product, the immediate focus for this year is to take it to adjoining markets outside of India, because we have strong references and credibility built here. Some of the other emerging markets in Asia-Pacific, maybe Middle East, Africa is where the first attempt will be.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Got it. I have one bookkeeping question. What will be the full year contribution from CRYPTAS on the revenue and PAT side?

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Revenue and PAT.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Last year, CRYPTAS revenue was INR 85 crore for the whole year. From a PAT side, almost breakeven. You know, like what I described in the last quarter. The first quarter of integration it was some maybe INR 2 crore.

or INR 1.6 crore loss, In the second quarter of integration it was some INR 2 crore profit. Not much, maybe totally INR 1 crore or INR 2 crore profit.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

From an efficiency perspective, for profitability, where do you expect CRYPTAS to be with once we replace the product with our solution?

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yeah. No, that is a continuous affair. Now already in 8 or 9 conversation instead of the other American company CLM solution, we are proposing our CLM solution. Once those happens then the profitability will increase. This year almost we are expecting, estimating almost over $1 million of profit from CRYPTAS. That will also depend on how far they are able to sell our CLM solution instead of the American CLM solution and all that.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

As you know, the sales cycle in Europe typically tend to be long.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yeah.

Kaushik Srinivasan
SVP of Product Development, eMudhra Limited

Because all of these are large banks, so we are also waiting or planning for that kind of sales cycle.

Surbhi Soni
Analyst, Bellwether Capital

Understood. Okay. Thank you so much.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. As there are no further questions from the participants, I now hand the conference over to Mr. Venkatraman Srinivasan for closing comments.

Venkatraman Srinivasan
Executive Chairman, eMudhra Limited

Thank you. I would like to thank everyone for joining the call today. We remain focused on delivering consistent performance and innovative solutions that enable secure digital transformation for our clients across the globe. For any additional information or queries, kindly get in touch with our investment relation advisors, Churchgate Partners. Thank you once again. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of eMudhra Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your line.

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