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Q2 25/26

Oct 31, 2025

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Lodha Developers Limited 2Q FY 2026 post-results conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Chintan Parekh, Co-head of Investor Relations. Thank you, and over to you, Mr. Parekh. Speakers, go ahead.

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Chintan Parekh
Co-head of Investor Relations, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you, Andrew, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Lodha Developers Q2 FY 2026 conference call. Today, we have with us Mr. Abhishek Lodha, MD and CEO, Mr. Sushil Kumar Modi, Executive Director, Finance, Mr. Sanjay Chauhan, CFO, and Tikam Jain, CEO, Pune. I would now like to invite Abhishek to make his opening remarks. Over to you, Abhishek.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q2 earnings call. I hope all of you had a great Diwali celebration, and wishing you all the very best for the upcoming festivities and the New Year. Before we dive into company-specific updates, I would like to start with a few comments on the larger macroeconomic environment. In the last quarter, the Indian government took the proactive step of GST rationalization, which, in our view, has started already benefiting the larger consumer sentiment in the country. On the monetary side, the Central bank has already delivered a 50-bps rate cut earlier this year, and with the Federal Reserve having commenced its rate cut cycle and a rate cut earlier this week, we expect that we will have further benefits of reduced interest rates in the country, thereby incentivizing the consumer to further go ahead with their demand.

Overall, in the country today, we see a positive mood and a direction of travel towards an economy which is resilient and strong. In spite of the challenges which have been seen earlier in the year on account of the friction between India and the U.S. on the trade front, we now expect that that will be resolved in the near term, as has been indicated by the leaders of the various countries, and that would provide an additional flip to domestic growth. In this context, RBI has already revised its GDP growth forecast to about 6.8% from 6.5% earlier, which is noteworthy.

We still believe that India's medium-term aspirations on GDP growth are to be higher than these levels of 6% - 7%, and our sector, the real estate sector, we expect that the real estate sector will play a positive contribution to the further scale-up of economic growth in the country. We have been positively enthused by the steps that the Indian government has taken, not just on the fiscal side as well as the monetary policy side over the last 12 months, but generally the direction of travel when it comes to improving ease of doing business and encouraging investment. This, we believe, is a very positive sign and augurs well for long-term creation of jobs and wealth in the country.

One factor to, of course, mention is the artificial intelligence revolution, which over the last 12 to 18 months has gotten increasingly bigger, and now one sees a much bigger impact of it starting to play through across the world. While it will lead to. Changes in the structure of work, it is likely to lead to a significant improvement in productivity and will thereafter, in our opinion, provide significant opportunities for agile companies to grow and take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime change that artificial intelligence is going to bring to our world.

We also believe that this presents an opportunity for India to put itself at the forefront of a global change and make sure that we are making the right investments, whether it comes in the basic building blocks of artificial intelligence, including data centers, or looking at value-added services to help individuals and corporates transition into the new world where artificial intelligence will play an increasingly important role, especially in tasks which are predictable and simple, and also to look at significant value-added activities such as looking at Gen AI and various other applications. There is a lot to do, and we think that the economy will have these new legs of productivity in the years to come.

Now, coming to our highlights for the quarter, I'm first and foremost most pleased to inform that we were selected and ranked as one of the top 1,000 most trustworthy companies in the world by the renowned Newsweek magazine. We were the only Indian real estate company in the list and amongst only 18 real estate developers from across the world who have been included in this list. As an organization, we place a huge amount of focus on building deep long-term stakeholder relations, and this recognition by Newsweek is hugely important to us. In terms of our business performance, we achieved our best-ever second-quarter Pre-sales with Pre-sales of INR 45.7 billion, which was up 7% year-on-year.

With this, our H1 sales stand at about INR 90 billion, which is 43% of our full-year guidance, and that keeps us on track to deliver our full-year Pre-sales guidance of INR 210 billion. Having delivered more than INR 40 billion of Pre-sales consecutively for the last seven quarters, we are now expected to move up towards a run rate in the high 50s or low 60s, and that would be a significant step up for our business as we scale up on the back of the strong business development as well as the fact that the environmental clearance issues, which had held back approvals in Mumbai City for the last 12 months, were cleared earlier this year in August. The Embedded EBITDA margins for this quarter were at about 32%.

This is with the JDAs contributing just under 50% of Pre-sales, which is higher than our targeted mix of 40%, and that shows the resilience of our business that even with a higher contribution from JDA sales, we have the attractive EBITDA margins that we've delivered. On the price growth, in line with our guidance at the start of the year, we've delivered about 3% price growth for the first half of the year, which puts us on track to deliver about 5% - 6% price growth for the full year, in line with our strategy to keep price growth below the wage growth and make sure that affordability keeps improving, and therefore we keep seeing a spending of the cycle.

Based on the Embedded EBITDA margin of 32%, our pro forma PAT for the quarter is at about INR 9.3 billion, implying a PAT margin of 20.3%, and once again enabling us to deliver the ROE of 20% or thereabouts, which we had already on our underlying basis delivered in fiscal 2025. As far as business development is concerned, we added a new location in MMR this quarter with a GDV of INR 23 billion. With this, in the first half itself, we've delivered our full-year business development guidance of INR 250 billion, and therefore it is quite likely that we will outperform on our full-year PD guidance given the significant number of attractive opportunities which are in the pipeline.

These significant opportunities further indicate that the consolidation in the industry continues to remain robust, not only on the demand side or the consumer side, but also on the supply side. There is an increasing awareness both from capital providers as well as landowners that they only want to partner with the best run, best governed, and the strongest brands. At the end of the quarter, our net debt stood at INR 53.7 billion, which is at about 0.25 x equity, well below our ceiling of 0.5 x. Our overall cost of debt fell by 30 basis points to about 8% now at the end of Q2. In terms of the business development for this quarter, I'm most excited to speak to you about the significant opportunity that is now emerging in the field of data center and the larger AI space for our organization.

As you may be aware, about two years ago, we started the process of putting together a data center park at Palava, and we now have already two anchor customers, Amazon Web Services (AWS) as well as STT. In the course of the last quarter, we entered into an MoU with the Government of Maharashtra under their Green Digital Infrastructure Policy. On the basis of which the Government of Maharashtra is giving significant incentives to those companies or operators who would be setting up their data centers in this park. The total benefits to the overall park, which is spread across about 400 acres, will be to the tune of over $1 billion or even higher under this policy.

The Government of India, of course, has published and circulated its draft of this data center policy, and we expect that once this draft is finalized, there will be significant further benefits for the operators who will operate data centers in India, including specifically in this park, and will lead to a greater amount of interest for the park. However, beyond the ongoing land sales, the last land sales happened at a value of about INR 0.21 billion per acre, and now with these two new policies of the Green Data Center of Government of Maharashtra and the central government's draft, land values are further moving north to closer to INR 3 billion per acre, which will put the value of the existing balanced land out of the total of about 400 acres, which has been earmarked for the data center, at about INR 100 billion.

We expect that for the next few years, we'll continue to do some amount of third-party land sales to strengthen the ecosystem of data centers and artificial intelligence at Palava. What's even a lot more exciting is the fact that over the last two years, our teams have been able to put together the most comprehensive infrastructure package that is available to any data center in India and perhaps amongst the very best in the world. With the land, the permits, the water, and the power in place, we are one of the best-placed travel-ready locations in the world and can get from start to operationalization in less than 24 months. In terms of the infrastructure, we have almost 3 gigawatts of power availability coming through five different EHV lines. We have access to green power.

We have access to over 100 MLD of recycled water, which reduces power consumption and cost, and we have very good fiber optic connectivity. This is augmented by the fact that we have one of the lowest build costs for data centers in the world, coming in at about $6 million- $7 million per megawatt compared to $10 million- $12 million per megawatt, which is currently the cost in the U.S. and Europe. Our power costs are very competitive at between $0.07- $0.08 per kilowatt-hour, and we now have the technology in place to deliver a power utilization efficiency of about 1.2- 1.3, a PUE of 1.2- 1.3. All these together give one of the lowest costs in the world. In addition to that, not only is Mumbai one of the—it is India's largest hub.

Almost 50% of India's data center capacity is in Mumbai, and that's on account of the fact that the undersea cable landings are based in Mumbai, and they provide some very good connectivity to different parts of the world. The current latency, which is the time taken for the transmission of data to Europe, is at about 140 milliseconds- 150 milliseconds, but that can be further reduced to about 120 milliseconds with investment. Similarly, to the U.S., it currently is routed through Europe and has a latency of about 220 milliseconds- 240 milliseconds, but that can be further reduced to about 170 milliseconds. This reduction in latency over time will lead to an increasing attractiveness of India as a location, given the lower cost as well as the scalability to do a variety of different activities, for example, AI training workloads to be done in India.

We now have a dedicated team working to capture what else we can do beyond providing the land and the infrastructure, which obviously is hugely value-additive, but what else can we do beyond that? We are exploring partnerships with entities having strong AI knowledge or networks, and we are also looking at models, for example, PowerShell. To give you an example, a PowerShell can generate an annualized PAT of approximately INR 0.1 billion per megawatt per annum, and that kind of upside compared to the land value is very much visible when we look at the fact that each acre of land, which is currently transacting, perhaps can transact at about INR 0.3 billion per acre, but can accommodate 8 MW- 10 MW of IT power capacity.

Therefore, when one looks at the valuation and the cash flows that can be generated by moving to these higher value-added activities like PowerShell, there is a huge, huge opportunity for our organization. Given the fact that we already own the land, the power is in place, as well as all the other supportive policies, the power, the water are all in place, and it gives us a very attractive entry point to look at what is going to become a key part of the modern world's, of the 21st-century world's operating infrastructure. As India sort of takes a bigger step in the artificial intelligence world, we at Lodha are committed to playing our important and rightful role in this transition and providing world-class infrastructure for use both within India and outside. Moving forward, in terms of our updates, we are now on the townships.

Our Palava and [Apakhane] townships are seeing the light in terms of the operationalization of some of the key infrastructure. The Palava-Airoli-Mulund Freeway is now very much approaching completion and should be operational next quarter, which will be a huge value leg up for Palava, given the fact that prices in Palava are less than half of those in Airoli. This connectivity will bring a huge new catchment as well as higher prices within the Palava ecosystem. Similarly, we are seeing good progress in the bullet train connectivity from Mumbai to Ahmedabad, in which the first station after BKC is at Palava, and that should be operational in 2028 or 2029. That will make Palava just a 10-minute train ride from BKC, which would be a fantastic further step up in connectivity.

In addition to that, we have the metro work progressing very rapidly, and we should see operationalization perhaps by 2028. We also have road connectivity, including the Virar-Alibaug Multimodal Corridor, which passes through the site now, starting to gain traction. All in all, Palava's transition from a lower-mid-income location to an upper-mid-income and premium location is progressing on track, and we should start seeing the benefits of the connectivity from the next fiscal, which, in addition to the significant value creation opportunities in the data park, also will present a significant step up for our company in terms of value unlock as well as sales and margin growth starting from next fiscal. On the same mode of scaling up, we are seeing continued strength of performance in the two cities beyond our home market of Pune that we are operating in. As you know, we operate in Pune and Bangalore.

Our standard model of starting in a new city is to do a pilot phase, which is the first two to three years where we invest in building the local team, understanding the local ecosystem, verifying the fact that we can have the same kind of resilience and strength of delivery as well as profitability, and then we scale up. We're very pleased that our scale-up in Bangalore as well as in Pune are continuing strongly. This year, we expect to have about 30% or slightly higher than that of our Pre-sales coming from these two cities, which is a fantastic position from the fact that when we did our IPO about four and a half years ago, our total sales from non-Mumbai was only 3%.

We've gone up about 10 x in the last four years, and that gives an indication of the strength of the brand and the scalability of our business. As we now further move in 2026 to starting our pilot in NCR, we hope that by covering these four major metros, Mumbai, Pune, and Bangalore already, and the pilot in NCR, we will see a long runway of growth, which enables our company to continue to deliver on its medium-term strategy of having approximately 20% annual growth and 20% ROE. Later in this call, we will have my colleague, Mr. Tikam Jain, who's the CEO for Pune, giving you an overview of how the business is progressing there. Before I conclude, I'll sort of just read through the financial performance for the quarter. Our revenues from operations came in at INR 38 billion, which was up about 45% year-on-year.

Our Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was about INR 13 billion, growing about 37% year-on-year with an EBITDA margin of about 34.4%. I'm sure you'll note that our Adjusted EBITDA margin is at or above our Embedded EBITDA margin that we share with you every quarter, which shows the conservativeness of how we estimate our Embedded EBITDA, as well as the fact that the company continues to deliver on converting its sales into profitable margin. Our PAT for the quarter came in at just under INR 8 billion, which was up about 87% year-on-year, and our operating cash flow was about INR 14.7 billion. With this, I conclude my remarks. I'll be available for questions after my colleague Tikam Jain gives you his overview. Mr. Jain, over to you now. Thank you.

Tikam Jain
CEO of Pune, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you, Abhishek, and good afternoon, everyone.

Pune continues to be one of the most resilient and balanced residential markets in India. While IT remains an important driver, the city's demand base today is as far most diversified, with automobile, manufacturing, defense, education, and GCC sectors all contributing strongly. This diversification has helped the market grow steadily in recent years and now estimated at more than INR 60,000 crore. Inventory level is also healthy in the market at about a year. The market is becoming more selective, with demand gravitating towards larger, well-planned homes and branded developers like us. Over the past three years, we have scaled up meaningfully in Pune, from about INR 200 crore of Pre-sales in financial year 2021 to nearly INR 2,500 crore in financial year 2025. In the first half of financial year 2026 alone, we have achieved about INR 1,400 crore, keeping us on track for our annual targets.

Our footprint has expanded to 11 operating projects across all key corridors of the city. Our focus has been on building a strong organization. The Pune team has grown both in size as well as capacity, and we have built depth across sales, design, construction, business development, and customer service. As a result, we are now the second-largest developer in Pune and are confident of becoming the largest within the next two years. For the remainder of this year, we have planned new launches in Pune East and West, along with the subsequent phases of our existing projects. We continue to evaluate additional opportunities across the city. We continue to maintain premium pricing to our peers, but one that customers find value in due to our superior designs, quality, and unique living experience that Lodha offers.

With the delivery of multiple towers and projects ready to start in the coming 12 months, I'm confident people will be able to experience Lodha living. This will further strengthen our brand in Pune. Overall, Pune is a deep end-user-led market, and Lodha's growth here remains strong, disciplined, and sustainable. Thank you, and over to you, Abhishek, again.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Hi. We can open the Q&A, please.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on your touchstone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question comes from the line of Puneet with HSBC. Please go ahead.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC

Yeah, thank you so much, and congrats on good performance. My first question is on your data center plan. Would you be building speculative products there, or would you largely build after it is leased out, or is there an identified data center plan?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Hi, Puneet. Thank you for the question. As I mentioned in the remark, we are very enthused by the scale of the opportunity in data centers, given the compelling cost economics as well as the scalability that we see. Having said that, as I mentioned to you, we now have a dedicated team working to make sure that we put together a business plan to capitalize on this opportunity beyond the land sales. That business plan is currently underway.

I hope that when we have our next quarterly update in January, we would be able to give you a much deeper dive into the business plan in this respect. At this stage, we don't yet have a view on what would be the nature of doing the PowerShell model. Would that only be on a BTS basis, or would that be on a speculative basis, or perhaps a combination of both of those? As we've done in other asset classes like warehousing and industrial parks, we tend to go out and sense the market, market demand, build deep relationships with the consumers of our space, and then make sure that the investment risk is aligned with the overall demand. We hope to give you a more specific insight when we speak again in the next quarter.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC

Understood. We'll wait for that.

In your mind, between the data center opportunity and the residential in Palava, which one is giving better return on investment?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

I think these are not opportunities in the alternative. The fact that we have this very high-quality and significant land located in such a strategic location with a huge amount of infrastructure built out and no constraint for us in terms of having to use land in one mode or the other is a truly unique position that we have. I think we can capitalize and scale up on both those levers. The residential scale-up is well underway. The locations or the part of the overall land that are earmarked for residential are very different from that for what we've done for data center and allied uses. Out of our approximately 4,000-plus acres, only about 400 acres is earmarked for data center.

Obviously, this can be further scaled up if the situation would so warrant. Right now, it's only 400 acres, which is earmarked for data center. We see that the data center opportunity is additive beyond our residential growth. Our residential growth plans continue to remain at base, and therefore, whatever comes from data center additionally over time, other than the land sales, will be incremental. Just to give you an idea, this is very early stage. If you were to just do a very simple calculation, like we mentioned, we have 3 GW of power capacity, which would mean about 2.5 GW of IT power or IT capacity.

Out of that, if you were to just do 10%, i.e., 250 MW of IT capacity as PowerShell, the annualized PAT from that could be INR 2,500 crore or thereabouts. It will, of course, take a few years to get there, but that is the scale of the opportunity. This is, like I said, additive to and in addition to all the other business that we're doing right now.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC

Understood. That's very clear. Thank you so much. When I look at your average realization trend, it seems to be trending down over the last few quarters. Is there a deliberate strategy to move more towards a mid-income product instead of one being luxury premium?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

As we've always liked to maintain, a diversified and granular sales mix, we broadly have about 50% of our sales coming from the mid-income segment, which, obviously, as you mentioned, is sort of lower in price point. We have about 12% - 15% coming from the luxury segment and the balance coming from the previous segment. That's how our business mix is, and that's what we like it to be because we don't really want to take a view that only luxury will perform or only mid-income will perform. What we are seeing this year is that mid-income has started picking up on the back of the support from the government, whether it comes in terms of interest rate cuts or income tax cuts or so on. Therefore, perhaps the average blend may shift this year slightly compared to last year.

Overall, as we've shared, on a like-to-like product, our price growth is at about 3%. From a mix perspective, because we operate across all these three segments, probably the only large developer which operates across these three segments, we may have periodic variations in the average price. Understood. That's very helpful. Last question, if I may. You talked about your NCR strategy. Would you like to outline whether you're going towards Gurugram or Noida or both? At this stage, our initial focus is most likely to be in Gurugram, but it does not mean that we do not look at any other part of the NCR. It's quite likely that we will perhaps start off on the Gurugram side of the NCR.

Puneet Gulati
Director of Equity Research, HSBC

Understood. That's very helpful. Thank you so much and all the best.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Pritesh Sheth with Axis Capital.

Please go ahead.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity and greetings to you and everyone in your team. First question is on the weekly sales number that you have put out. Roughly. INR 30 million, if I'm not wrong, per week. How do you see this number trending in the second half of this or later part of the or later part of the second half? Whether we generally see an improving trend or if it likely remains similar. Do we expect that bulk of the heavy lifting, apart from the non-launch sales, will happen from launches that we have lined up in the second half? Your thoughts on that?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Hi, Pritesh. Thank you for your question. Just to correct the number, it's INR 3 billion.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Yeah, it's INR 3 billion.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Yeah. Of non-launch sales.

This number is something which we put out because we think it gives a good sense of the run rate and how things are progressing through the year. If you were to take this number and do a multiplication, basically, last year's full sales would more or less now come this year from non-launch sales. This number was obviously lower at the start of the year.

It's trending upwards, and we expect it to further trend upwards in the course of the balance part of this fiscal, which really is just a sense of the strength of our brand and the fact that on an ongoing basis, every week, without doing a big activation or launch, we have consumers walking in, interested in buying, and making the decision to buy, which is really why because they are buying on the basis of product, and they're buying on the basis of reputation rather than on the basis of an offer. That's the position on the non-launch weekly sales.

In terms of the second half of the year, out of our estimated sales of approximately INR 12,000 crores or INR 120 billion, which is expected in the second half of the year, we expect that somewhere between INR 70 billion- 75 billion will come from the non-launch sales and the balance INR 40 billion- 45 billion from launch sales.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Got it. Got it. That's helpful. On this PowerShell opportunity, if I'm correct, you're looking at at least 250 MW of development through PowerShell by yourself. What kind of CapEx that we think we would have to spend to build so much over, obviously, over a period of time? Just in terms of economics, if you have some initial read-through, how much we tend to spend on a per-megawatt basis? How probably we'll look to fund this CapEx? Yeah.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Pritesh, it's an important question, but perhaps one which we'll best answer when we speak again in a quarter's time. As we indicated, just to give you a very early-stage number because I want to share with you what we know, but caveat it with the fact that we are still deep-diving, so we don't have yet a firm answer, is that the cost will be between $6 million- $7 million per megawatt to build out the PowerShell. If you were to say build out on average 50 megawatts a year, that would translate to somewhere between $300 million- $350 million of total CapEx. Assuming the fact that you would have about 2/3 debt, 1/3 equity ratio, it's about $100 million of equity and the balance through debt.

Now, obviously, whether we put in the equity, it's very likely that we will get in some partners with us who know the AI space and network in a deeper and better manner than we do at this stage because that's been our trend. We understand an industry gradually and make sure that we have good partnerships to take us through our learning curve. We're evaluating all of those things. I think what's important from our perspective is that if—and I'm not saying we will build 250 MW or not, we're not saying we'll minimum build that or not. We're just exploratory. We're just sort of deep-diving right now. If we were to build 250 MW, that is, like I said, it's an annualized path of maybe INR 2,500 crores or higher at today's rates. That's really telling you how scalable the opportunity is and how significant it could become.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Sure. You said $6 million - $7 million per megawatt. Is that number right? $6 million - $7 million or $6 million - $7 million?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Yes.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Okay.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

$6 million- $7 million per megawatt.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Okay. U.S. dollars. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

INR 50 crores -INR 60 crores per megawatt.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Makes sense. So a path yield of roughly 20%.

Yeah. Makes sense. Okay.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

It could be slightly, yeah, in that range.

Slightly lower than 20%, I would think, but yeah, in that range.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Sure. Sure. Got it. Got it. One last, on the Palava residential side, now that this infrastructure is—the T tunnel is getting completed in the next quarter or so, what to look forward to from our side in terms of the product offering over the next couple of quarters that one needs to follow. Whether that's happening or not? Just on launches or product offering, etc. Yeah.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Pritesh, I think in our view, because this tunnel ought to have been opened maybe six to nine months ago, we have already brought into the market the products that we think will benefit from this connectivity. We had the launch of LORA Oculus. At the end of last fiscal, we've launched a new villa project recently. We've had now five sales in our Gulf View development, which are close to INR 1 million each of apartments. All of this product is already out there, which we think is a good position to be because the product is already under construction. Sales are already happening. What we expect to see is there'll be some further launches, including at Oculus, over the next 12 months.

We'll also, in our opinion, see much greater traction, much greater contribution to the overall sales mix as a percentage, I mean, in excluded terms, from these premium category products. Overall, what I would expect to see in the next fiscal is a significant ramp-up in both overall sales because the mid-income will also perform better. We would think that the premium will have an outsized benefit. Higher sales coming through from Palava and also an improvement in margins because, obviously, these premium segment sales are at a higher margin. To add to that point, we also expect that the Thane to sort of Bhiwandi connection of the Mumbai-Nashik highway is also now approaching completion, should be completed either next quarter or definitely before the next monsoon. That will also have an equal positive effect on Upper Than e.

I would say that cumulatively, our extended Eastern Suburb business should start becoming a significant step up starting from the next.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Sure. Got it. Any number you want to put for this? Palava residential out of this INR 120 billion of expected Pre-sales in the second half? How much you are building internally from Palava residential?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

No, I don't have a specific number to give. I don't think that any of this infrastructure will benefit Palava in this fiscal. It will be for next fiscal.

Pritesh Sheth
Senior VP, Axis Capital

Sure. Okay. Thank you. That's it from my side. All the best. Thank you.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. Next question comes from the line of Kunal Lakhan with CLSA. Please go ahead.

Kunal Lakhan
Senior Research Analyst, CLSA

Yeah. Hi. Thanks for taking my question.

My question is again on Palava monetization, especially for the residential bit. I get it. Some of these infrastructure development projects will obviously drive the demand. On a long-term strategy basis, right, some of the developments that we're doing in terms of, say, data centers, industrial parks, and warehousing. I'm not sure whether employment in these segments would be driving the demand for Palava, especially the fact that we are making it more premium as well as luxury kind of development. Data centers, anyway, are less human-intensive as such. Just wanted to understand your long-term strategy in terms of, of course, relying on the infrastructure developments, but at the same time, creating captive demand in Palava in terms of more office development, creating more social infrastructure such as retail, hotels, and all of that.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Kunal, thank you for that question.

We see Palava as a location which benefits significantly from its proximity to Mumbai's critical work hubs. In spite of the lack of connectivity so far, the Map work hub has played a key role in addition to the Kalyan-Dombivali area in terms of the demand and the scale-up in Palava so far, where we are now close to 250,000 individuals living, just under 50,000 families, which is an amazingly large scale-up over the course of the last few years. The connectivity to Airoli and Mulund will further make the way we look at it is, what are the jobs within a 30-minute driving distance from Palava? That's really ultimately the most convenient location to live in, given its quality of infrastructure, quality of social life as well as schools, healthcare, and so on.

What this connectivity is doing is that it is making almost all of Mumbai's key job hubs within that very attractive distance from Palava. Like I said, Airoli and Mulund will be within that 30-minute driving distance next quarter. BKC will be door-to-door less than that time before the end of the decade. That really makes Palava very, very convenient from our perspective of people working anywhere but living in Palava. Having said that, we continue to see the fact that now companies are locating their value-added work activities in Palava. We have MQ Pharma having set up their large-scale R&D setup in Palava, and that is already operational. They've built a fantastic facility there. We've now had one more large pharma company set up one of its sort of subsidiary. They've just taken space to set up their subsidiary offices.

We've completed one speculative office building of about 400,000 sq ft , which we are now starting to lease. With this infrastructure connectivity, we start seeing that more of these jobs will start coming into Palava. Obviously, other than. The jobs we've invested, we have seven operating schools. Jupiter Hospital will be operational with 400+ beds, their largest facility in the country, next quarter. We have world-class ports and a lot of high-quality retail already within Palava. We really have put in the building blocks of all these elements already in place. I think the jobs within Palava are important, but equally, the jobs within 30 minutes of Palava are important. The connectivity is going to benefit both the jobs within Palava because, obviously, if it's better connected, it makes sense for people to be locating their offices there.

The overall fact that Airoli, Mulund, and then in a few years, BKC will be very well connected to Palava.

Kunal Lakhan
Senior Research Analyst, CLSA

Sure. Thanks for that explanation. Okay. Second question was on the business development side. If you look at last year, we acquired projects worth INR 237 billion of GDV, and land spend stood at about INR 63 billion. In the first half, we have acquired about INR 250 billion worth of GDV, and the land spend is about INR 26 billion-INR 27 billion there. Just wanted to understand the kind of projects that we have acquired. Are there more JDAs here, or would we see some spillover of land spend happening in the second half and subsequent quarters? Just to understand what kind of land spend we are doing and what kind of projects that we are acquiring.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Yes. I think that's an important and valid question.

Our land spend comprises of the spend which is done at the time of the acquisition of the land, and then also, of course, takes into account any future obligations towards the land and approvals related to that land which come in over a period of time. Obviously, over time, there will be further incremental expense towards this header as the projects move through their phases of development. In case of JDA, it's a more forward-based cash outflow. In case of owned land, it becomes more front-loaded. In terms of the mix of land that we've acquired in the first half, yes, there has been a higher proportion, if you may, of JDAs. That just is not a shift in any strategy. It just happens to be the nature of the developments of the transactions which have concluded in the first half of the year.

You may have read that in October, we acquired a land in Bangalore through the takeover of an entity, which is an outright acquisition. It just happened to be in October, rather than in September. You'll start seeing a slightly different mix in this quarter.

Operator

Thank you. Mr. Lakhan, please rejoin the queue for more questions. A reminder to all the participants, please restrict yourself to two questions. Next question comes from the line of Abhinav Sinha with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Abhinav Sinha
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Hi. Abhishek, two questions. Firstly, on the Palava data center land transaction side. You mentioned that we're looking at the land pricing move up to about INR 300 million per acre. Will this be the follow-on phases for the current two anchors, or are you expecting the new anchors to pay this amount?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Abhinav, hi.

We expect fresh transactions to be closer to the INR 0.3 billion or INR 300 million per acre number. What's already agreed or what's already finalized will obviously be at the level that they have already been finalized at.

Abhinav Sinha
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Okay, great. My second question is on the sales velocity. It appears that we are a little more launch-dependent now, or maybe it's perhaps just how this year is spacing out to be. Do you think we go back to being much more even and less launch-dependent like we were, say, in the previous two years?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Abhinav, last year, our contribution to sales from newly launched projects was in the mid-30%. This year, also, our contribution to sales from the newly launched projects will be around that number.

I don't think that there has been any change in the fact that somewhere around two-thirds of our sales come from our projects which are already ongoing as of the start of the fiscal year. It's just that we've had a very specific circumstance this year where the environmental clearance was blocked for the preceding 12 months up to the end of Q2, and therefore, you've had more of a bunching. We are talking about the fact that more sales will happen in H2 because more of the launches have gotten into H2. Overall, the best metric to be looked at is what percentage of the sales for the fiscal are coming from projects which were already ongoing at the start of the fiscal and what are coming from those which have been launched during the fiscal.

I think our numbers will be in the early to mid-30% for both last fiscal as well as this fiscal, and that's what we expect it to be in future years. I think that's a very different ratio from most of our peer-listed companies where that ratio tends to be much higher.

Abhinav Sinha
Equity Research Analyst, Jefferies

Great. Thank you and all the best.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Akash Gupta with Nomura. Please go ahead.

Akash Gupta
Lead Equity Research Analyst, Nomura

Hello. Hi, sir. Am I audible?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Yes. Yes.

Akash Gupta
Lead Equity Research Analyst, Nomura

Am I audible?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Yes. You're audible. Please go ahead.

Akash Gupta
Lead Equity Research Analyst, Nomura

Hi, sir. Just one question from my side. Just your thought on the real estate cycle. The real estate demand has been, I think, quite resilient and I think better than what many investors were thinking. Where do you think we are in the cycle right now?

What are you thinking about on the portfolios and conversions side? Now that we're also reaching INR 3 billion weekly non-launch sales, and that's higher than the INR 2.5 billion-INR 2.7 billion numbers that we saw roughly three to six months back. Do you think that the cycle right now, it's a lot more resilient than the previous cycle?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Hi, Akash. It's a deep question, one which, of course, we can have a long conversation over. In summary, our view, which we've been expressing for a few years, is that the Indian housing, India is going through a once-in-a-lifetime transition from low-income to mid-income. Such transitions, wherever they've happened in large economies in the world, have always been, we have always witnessed a very long real estate cycle when this transition happens, typically in the order of 15 to 20 years.

We think India is also going to have a cycle which is that long. We are only in year four or five out of that very long cycle. It doesn't mean that we'll never have a bad year. We can, of course, have a bad year. From a more structural perspective, this is a much longer cycle because the level of demand that India needs to produce to meet its housing needs is going to be a long, long time before the supply side can catch up. I think that the real estate, the core real estate cycle has not even gotten started. It'll only get started when GDP per capita crosses $4,000, $4,500. There's still a few years before real estate really takes off. We're still sort of, I would say, the plane is on the runway. It's not even gotten to its kind of takeoff phase.

It's just sort of moving along on the runway. That's how we think the cycle is. Yes, sometimes there will be a situation, there will be a backup on the runway, the plane will have to pause for a few minutes, or it might be a few quarters in this context. We have many years ahead on the cycle in our view.

Akash Gupta
Lead Equity Research Analyst, Nomura

Got it. Got it. Sir, just one question on the launches. Last time, our launches were more phased out through the year. Now they're bunched up towards the second half. Is this mostly due to the Thane? Because the Thane launch got pushed to the second half? Is that the only reason?

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

No, I don't think there is any specificity of the Thane launch.

The reason is what we've articulated earlier, that the environmental clearance process for Mumbai—it was a nationwide order, but it most impacted Mumbai—was basically stalled for almost a year from last August to this August. That's led to most of our Mumbai launches getting pushed out. That's the reason why the second half is heavier on launches than has usually been the case, where we also prefer a much broader and more spread-out system. We hope that we'll be back to that from next fiscal.

Akash Gupta
Lead Equity Research Analyst, Nomura

Okay. Got it. Thank you so much, sir.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Gourav Khandelwal with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Gourav Khandelwal
Assistant VP, JPMorgan

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to understand the Embedded EBITDA margins better.

When you think in terms of new projects, what is the calculation for Embedded EBITDA margins on your own project versus compared to a JDA project? That's the first part. The second part is, eventually, over time, if we diversify away from MMR, will these Embedded EBITDA margins start to come down? Those are my questions. Thank you.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thanks, Gourav, for your questions. First, let me explain how Embedded EBITDA is calculated each quarter. It is the actual sales price of that quarter. There is no projection in that number. Then taking into account the actual land cost, which is known, the actual approval cost, which are known, the sales and marketing cost, which are pretty steady as a percentage of sales for us. The only projection in that is the construction cost. The construction cost, we have a fair amount of contingency built into our construction cost estimates.

Therefore, you regularly see that our actual Embedded EBITDA in the P&L tends to be higher than what we report. The actual EBITDA in our P&L tends to be higher than the Embedded EBITDA. In terms of your right, Mumbai is India's most profitable market. It is also India's deepest, largest market in revenue term, but also it's the most profitable market. We do see that margins in Mumbai are about 10%. If margins in Mumbai are X, margins in the rest of the country are probably 0.9x. Margins in Mumbai are about 10% higher than those in Pune or Bangalore. In terms of your question on this current contribution, this current quarter's performance of about 32% of Embedded EBITDA, our own land had an Embedded EBITDA of about 37%, 38%. The JDAs, the joint development projects, had a contribution of about 27%.

That typically is the delta, about a 10%-ish delta between the Embedded EBITDA margin of owned versus JDAs.

Gourav Khandelwal
Assistant VP, JPMorgan

That's very clear. Thank you so much.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Biplab Debbarma with Antique Stock Broking. Please go ahead.

Biplab Debbarma
VP, Antique Stock Broking

Good afternoon, Abhishek and the team. Hope you all had a great Diwali. I have just one question. How do you view the residential prospects of Palava City once full-scale infrastructure, including, say, bullet train, and all the upcoming road infra, becomes operational? Given your significant supply concentration in Palava, do you think that this demand for Palava will be coming from the shift of demand from Thane, Mumbai, Navi Mumbai, or will it primarily capture peripheral demand? I mean, I'm just wondering, is it a family contemplating to buy an apartment in Thane, Ghatkopar, or South Mumbai would find Palava attractive?

Or, say, people in Kalyan, Boisar, or Panvel would find Palava attractive once all this upgrade happens?

Thank you.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thanks, Biplab, for your question. Our view is that Palava and Upper Thane will attract demand from across the larger Mumbai metro region as these connectivity points come in. As I described in response to an earlier question, consumers are most comfortable traveling about 30 minutes from their place of work to home. That gives a huge opportunity for Palava as this connectivity brings more and more places within that travel distance. We expect that we will see in the near term buyers from the Kalyan, Kulgaon belt gravitate towards Palava and from Thane gravitate towards Upper Thane as the two pieces of connectivity become operational in the next quarter or thereabouts. You should see a big benefit upside of that in the numbers for the upcoming fiscal 2027.

As further connectivity comes through the metro rail, which connects you to greater parts of Kalyan and Navi Mumbai, you start seeing that benefit. The bullet train from BKC will make a huge difference because there is so much work that is being created in the BKC area. What we understand is that the Government of Maharashtra is going to have great connectivity to the bullet train station in BKC from the rest of Mumbai. You'll have the metro getting there, you'll have road getting there. Palava, in that sense, is not only going to get connected to BKC, but will get connected to the larger South and Central Mumbai parts also because of the importance of the bullet train. We expect that demand will come from across Mumbai to Palava and Upper Thane.

To give context, for example, the scale of the housing market in Mumbai by the end of the decade will be roughly about INR 235,000 crore. We expect sales in Palava and Upper Thane by the end of the decade to be in the range of about INR 8,000 crore. It's about a 3.5% market share of the larger Mumbai market that we expect Palava and Upper Thane to have. I think we find that to be quite achievable given the connectivity, combined with the product quality and the quality of life, whether it's all the factors I mentioned earlier or the better air quality, the green cover, social infrastructure, healthcare, schools, everything.

If people get great quality of living at prices which are better than that in the other suburbs and they don't have to travel long distances to get to work, we think it's a really compelling value proposition. To contrast it, Gurugram is probably right now more than 50% of the NCR market. We are telling you that at the end of the decade, Palava and Upper Thane will be 3.5% of the MMR market. You can see the scale of the opportunity versus where we currently are projecting things to be.

Operator

Mr. Biplab Debbarma , please go ahead.

Biplab Debbarma
VP, Antique Stock Broking

No, that's all. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Abhishek Lodha
Managing Director and CEO, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to [Ayush Raghuvanshi], Co-Head of Investor Relations, for closing comments.

Chintan Parekh
Co-head of Investor Relations, Lodha Developers Limited

Thank you, everyone, for joining the call. I hope we've been able to answer all your questions. If you have any further questions or need any clarifications, you may connect with the Investor Relations team. Once again, thank you all for joining.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of Lodha Developers Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your line.

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