Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the PNC Infratech Limited Q2 FY 2022 earnings conference call hosted by Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode. There will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference, please signal an operator by pressing star and then zero on your touchtone phone. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Prem Khurana from Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you, Moses. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Anand Rathi Share and Stock Brokers, I welcome you all to PNC Infratech's Q2 FY 2022 and H1 conference call. From the management to share the perspective on current quarter as well as the way forward, we have with us Mr. Yogesh Kumar Jain, the Managing Director, Mr. Bhupinder Kumar Sawhney , the Chief Financial Officer, and Vice President Finance, Mr. DK Maheshwari. To begin with, we'll have opening remarks from the management, and then we'll open the floor for interactive Q&A session. Over to you, sir.
Good afternoon, friends, and a very warm welcome to all of you pre-present on the call to discuss our financial results for quarter two, financial year 2022. Today, along with me, I have Mr. TR Rao, Director Infra, Dr. Sahani, Chief Financial Officer, and Mr. DK Maheshwari, Chief Finance, and Strategic Growth Advisors, our Investor Relations advisors. Before we start, on behalf of PNC family, I would like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a very happy Diwali and prosperous new year. First, I would like to share my thoughts on key sectoral development, followed by financial and operational highlights of the company. Honorable Transport Minister Nitin Gadkari has set an ambitious target of 40 km per day for financial year 2022 based on the project pipeline at both execution and awarding stage.
However, current pace of construction being around 21.3 meters per day, owing to prolonged and active monsoon coupled with second wave of COVID-19 during first half of FY 2022. The pace of construction activities should substantially be picked up in second half of FY 2022 to meet such a challenging target for which active support and timely decision by authorities is essential. Another significant development is that the government is considering disbursement of compensation for land and building, et cetera, directly to the owners instead of routing it through district administrators. In the new pattern, the amount will be directly transferred to the beneficiaries account through Public Financial Management System, which will not only expedite the acquisition process, but also will avoid idling billions of crores of funds in the banks, which can be utilized for development.
To streamline India's infrastructure development in a coordinated and integrated manner, Honorable Prime Minister launched PM GatiShakti National Master Plan for seamless multi-modal activities, connectivities on October 13th. Industry believes that with this initiative, every department will now have real-time visibility of each other's activities, providing critical data while planning and executing projects in a comprehensively integrated manner. Honorable Prime Minister wants to ensure entire process of infrastructure creation should be streamlined, beginning from planning, land acquisition till commissioning with seamless connection and coordination between all the stakeholders on real-time basis. Industry expects the above key policy initiative will greatly help in both rolling out and execution of infrastructure projects in timely manner. Now coming to the key updates of the company. As mentioned in the previous earnings calls, the company will look for diligent diversification in project development business to maintain the growth momentum without assuming concentration risk.
Rural drinking water sector supply would continue to be one of such sectors, as more project opportunities are expected under Jal Jeevan Mission. However, given a strong pipeline of projects from both central and state authorities under Bharatmala Pariyojana and National Infrastructure Pipeline, our focus on priority area would continue to be road sector. At present, our company has a total of 18 projects on PPP comprising BOT toll, BOT, EPC, OMT and HAM assets. Out of 18 assets, we have 11 HAM projects with an aggregate bid project cost over INR 16,000 crores. In HAM portfolio, we have already achieved PCOD for four projects, and balance seven are under construction.
In terms of equity infusion, total requirement for all 11 HAM projects is INR 1,468 crore, out of which we have already invested INR 665 crore till September 2021. Balance would be invested over next two to three years. The internal accruals that would be generated over the next two, three years should be sufficient to fund the equity investment. Now moving on to our order book. Our unexecuted order book on September 30th, 2021 was over INR 13,000 crore. That gives an assured revenue visibility for the company over next two, three, next two years. Of the total order book, road EPC contract contributes 24%, HAM project contributes around 48%, and water and irrigation projects contribute around 28%. Now I will present the standalone results for second quarter of FY 2022.
Revenue of second quarter of FY 2022 is INR 1,615 crore, which is higher by 53% as compared to INR 1,053 crore in second quarter of FY 2021. The EBITDA for second quarter is INR 222 crore, which is higher by 56% as compared to INR 142 crore in second quarter of FY 2021. The EBITDA margin for second quarter of FY 2022 is 13.7%. The profit for second quarter of FY 2022 is INR 135 crore as compared to INR 69 crore in second quarter of FY 2021, a growth of 95% on year-over-year basis. Moving on, half-yearly performance.
Revenue of first half of FY 2022 is INR 2,866 crore, which is higher by 46% as compared to INR 1,959 crore in first half of FY 2021. The EBITDA for H1 FY 2022 is INR 397 crore, which is higher by 52% as compared to INR 262 crore in H1 FY 2021. The EBITDA margin for first half of FY 2022 is 13.9%. The profit for first half of FY 2022 is INR 229 crore as compared to INR 129 crore in first half of FY 2021, a growth of 77% on year-over-year basis. I will now take you through consolidated financials for quarter ended 30 September 2021.
Consolidated revenue of quarter two financial year 2022 is INR 1,798 crore as compared to INR 1,248 crore in quarter two financial year 2021, registering a growth of 44%. The consolidated EBITDA for second quarter of financial year 2022 is INR 366 crore, which grew by 20% as compared to INR 304 crore for second quarter of the corresponding quarter last year. The EBITDA margin for second quarter of financial year 2022 is 20.4%. The consolidated PAT for second quarter of financial year 2022 is INR 132 crore as compared to INR 78 crore in quarter two financial year 2021, a growth of 70%. Half-yearly performance.
Consolidated revenue of first half of financial year 2022 is INR 3,263 crore as compared to INR 2,341 crore in first half financial year 2021, registering a growth of 39%. Which grew by 23% as compared to INR 591 crore for corresponding period last year. The EBITDA margin for first half of financial year 2022 is 22.4%. The consolidated PAT for first half of financial year 2022 is INR 245 crore as compared to INR 173 crore in H1 financial year 2021, a growth of 42%. On the standalone basis, balance sheet side. As on September 30th, 2021, our net working cycle is 103 days, which is similar as compared to 30th June 2021.
Our net worth on standalone basis is INR 3,124 crore as on September 30th, 2021, whereas total debt is INR 3,335 crore, and all of which is equipment finance debt. We do not have any working capital loan as on September 30th, 2021. The total cash and bank balance as on September 30th, 2021 is INR 501 crore. We have a net cash balance of INR 166 crore. This translates to net debt to equity of 0.11x . On consolidated basis, our net worth is INR 3,291 crore, whereas total debt is INR 4,442 crores as on September 30th, 2021. The total cash and bank balance including current investment is INR 1,123 crore.
This translates to net debt to equity of 1.35x. With this, we now open the floor for Q&A.
Thank you very much, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone phone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use only handset while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. We have our first question from the line of Mohit Kumar from DAM Capital. Please go ahead.
Good evening, sir, and thanks for the opportunity. Congratulations on good set of numbers. Sir, first question is, we have been guiding for order inflow guidance of INR 20 billion-INR 90 billion in FY 2022, a revenue guidance of 20%. Given our performance in the first half, do you think we can increase our revenue guidance? Secondly, on the order inflow, given the fact that we haven't had any major order inflow in the first half, how are you seeing the order inflow for FY 2022?
See, the guidance as of now, still we maintain 20%-23% over the last year, that comes to around INR 60 billion. Because, see, what has happened in the second and the third quarter beginning this year, monsoon has protracted. Even there's been a very active monsoon in many of our project sites during October also. There was some progress was subdued. However, we'll be able to give you the guidance in a better sense once this third quarter is completed. As of now, we are maintaining on the same guidance of 20%-22% over the past year. With regard to order inflow, we have given a guidance of INR 80 billion. We still maintain that because still four months time is there.
There are a lot of projects on the anvil. We still maintain that it would be around INR 8,000 crores.
Sir, on the EBITDA margin, of course, we have done pretty well in the first half. Do you see any downward risk to the margin given the very sharp rise in cement and steel prices?
Okay. Since we are having an inflation clause and price escalation, mainly, there is no impact on the margins. We are expecting it will be maintained from 13.5%-13.75%.
Is there any portion you know which is fixed price contract in the order book?
No. Our all EPC contracts have got a price variation clause. Even in case of the HAM also-
HAM also.
Their price indexation clauses are there. Which are again, we are passing on to EPC. Price variation in all contracts are covered under price variation.
Understood, sir. Thank you and all the best, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Parikshit Kandpal from HDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Congratulations on a good set of numbers. My first question is on the JJM project. What was the revenue contribution of the JJM project in this quarter?
JJM project?
Which one?
Just the mentioned project contribution, water project in UP.
Water project. See, in UP, we have water projects in two phases. First, under first phase, we have small projects of INR 260 crore. There we have completed around 10% of the work. Under the second phase, we have projects worth more than INR 3,000 crore. The DPR preparation and the approval process is on, and we already commenced boring, that is the drilling of the bore wells, for at around 25 locations. Going forward, we'll maybe in this quarter we'll have some kind of a revenue from these water projects, and which will be further increased during the fourth quarter of this year.
How many sites have been given in terms of total DPRs which were there? How much of how many sites or work in crores have been given for-
Yeah. We have 2000 DPRs and 1900 DPRs something, but you can say 2000 DPRs. Out of 2000 DPRs, 1500 DPRs we have already prepared and we submitted to the client. Initially that, it's getting approved at a different level. Around 500 DPRs, they approved at a top level. For 233 DPRs, we already executed the tripartite agreements. Remaining DPRs approval as well as agreement signing is in progress.
What in terms of value, how much will be these approvals which we have secured? The 500 DPRs you said approval has...
Yeah, yeah. This 233 DPR roughly translates into INR 400 crore+ .
This can be executed in how much time, sir? Six months or like so by March next year.
We have 18 months for this from the date of handing over of the site. We expect this all these things we should be able to execute within next two years.
No, sir. I'm saying in this financial year, how much will be the revenue contribution from these INR 3,300 crore of JJM projects?
It's too early to tell. This should be certainly around INR 200-INR 250 crores during the current financial year.
The raw material prices have gone up, and 50% of the project has got BOT items. How are you protected here, sir, in terms of escalations? If you can just touch upon that.
HDPE pipeline, HDPE pipes are the major items, one of the key items of the thing, which are covered under the escalation clause. The regime of the IOC refinery at Bombay at a base price it is fixed. In case of any increase in the regime prices, these prices are covered under the escalation.
We won't have any margin impact on this. We'll have similar margin of about 13.5%-14% in these projects as well, right?
We expect so. Only how the things will unfold, we need to see. We still expect that kind of margin in water projects also.
Okay. Just one last thing, sir, on the monetization of the HAM asset portfolio and the final inflows coming in from Aligarh. If you can just give some timelines on Aligarh project and when do we expect the monetization of HAM projects?
As regards the Aligarh project, we have already received the change in ownership from NHAI. However, two NOC is still pending. One is COD and one is the descoping. Only two NOC pending, which is under process, and we are expecting within eight days to 10 days it will be finalized.
In 8-10 days we'll get the money, sir.
They've given change in ownership. They have already given the change in ownership in the name of Cube Highways, and we have already received the NOC from all the lenders.
Money will come in by November end, sir, for this project?
We hope. Hopefully.
How much is the amount? Has that been finalized now?
That has not been finalized so far because there are certain consideration. One is earn out, one is amount to be received from NHAI on account of revenue shortfall. One is the lump sum amount to be paid by Q Highway. So at this point of time, it is not finalized, sir.
Okay. Just on the Hamirpur monetization, sir, if you can just update us on the progress there. At what stage, level of, stage of discussion we are with the investors, potential investors there.
Two investors have given the final valuation at their level, and it is in the final stage to finalize in our internal, and we are hopeful that by end of this month we'll finalize, then they will start the due diligence, and by end of the financial year, we are expecting that it should be finalized.
How much is the equity value which is under this, the valuation has been done for what amount of equity investment which we have done?
Our equity amount infused on account of equity, INR 675 crore, sir.
All the-
For this project.
Okay, for this project where some valuation has already come in to you.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay. That's all from my side. Thank you and all the best, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you. We have our next question from the line of Shravan Shah from Dolat Capital Market. Please go ahead.
Thank you. First of all, congratulations for good set of numbers, sir. Sir, just continuing that, this INR 675 crore is for six HAM and one annuity?
Yes. 5 HAM and 1 annuity.
Previously we were looking at 6, so now this is a 5 HAM and 1 annuity.
Yeah.
Second, the amount that we need to invest in equity in HAM, so in terms of the 2020-2023 and 2024 breakup, if you can help.
Actually, we require total equity in the 11 HAM projects is 1,468, and out of that, we have already infused till September is 665. Remaining is INR 800 crore. Then we require around INR 328 crore in March 2022.
Okay.
INR 320 crore in FY 2023. FY 2024, INR 200 crore.
Okay, this 328 is for the entire full of FY 2022. Whatever we invested should be minus from that.
Right.
Okay. Sir, in terms of the inflow, we said the INR 8,000 crore, so in that, how much more HAM are we looking at?
We are approximately targeting around 50% of HAM and 50% of EPC format.
Okay. Any irrigation, railway, airport, anything is there in that 50% risk?
There is a 10% worth of airport projects also included in the projects what we are pursuing. Around 10% for out of 8,000, 10% of airport projects. As of now, irrigation and any metro rail and all, we are not looking at.
Sir, CapEx guidance for full year. Last time you said INR 125 crore. We have done very less CapEx this time. What's the number we are looking at for the full year?
For FY 2022, we are expecting around INR 100 crore rupee CapEx. INR 100-INR 120 crore rupee, sir.
Okay. Sir, I need a breakup of order book for individual projects. One which are not there in the presentation. I will be naming the project and if you can help me with the outstanding order book. Nagina-Kashipur is how much, sir?
Nagina-Kashipur is INR 145 crore, sir.
145. Varanasi-Gorakhpur?
Varanasi-Gorakhpur almost completed. On September 30th it was INR 25 crore outstanding.
Okay. Bhojpur-Buxar?
Bhojpur-Buxar is INR 115 crore. INR 115 crore.
INR 115 crore. Koilwar-Bhojpur?
INR 107 score.
INR 107 crore. Chitradurga-Davanagere, so I hope it must be INR 0 crore by now.
Almost completed.
Okay. Jhansi-Khajuraho package 1?
Okay. Outstanding INR 103 crore.
INR 103 crore. The second one, Khajuraho, package 2?
Second one is almost completed. Now we have already received the PCOD.
Yeah.
INR 18 crore something is outstanding only.
Okay, the Chakeri-Allahabad.
It is INR 550 crore.
INR 550. Aligarh-Kanpur package two, so that was around INR 30-odd crore last time, sir.
Package two is completed. We have already received the PCOD.
Okay. Challakere-Hiriyur.
Challakere. It is INR 728 crore.
Purvanchal Package 5?
INR 112 crore.
INR 112 crore. The second package, 6?
INR 142 crore.
INR 142 crore. Mumbai-Nagpur?
INR 208 crore.
INR 208 crore. This will be Mumbai-Nagpur will be over by December now.
Yeah. Yes, yes.
Yeah. Okay. Delhi-Vadodara Package 29?
Package 29 is INR 673 crore, and Package 31 is INR 740 crore.
Yeah. The value of irrigation project, which was INR 1,000 crore, last quarter.
INR 975 crore.
INR 975 crore. The other one, INR 276 crore value, what is it now?
Water.
Water.
Water.
Water, water only.
Hamirpur, 255 is outstanding, as against INR 275 crore. Actually, we have executed the work of INR 20 crore roughly.
Okay. Got it. I think working capital days and debt will remain at the current levels? Or any further improvement in working capital days?
The working capital days is under three days in September 2021, as against 103 days in June 2021.
Yeah. By March, are we expecting some improvement or will it remain at the same level?
I should reduce, actually, because certain payment of around INR 300 crore of September we have received in the month of October. That is why slightly better days and the working capital days increased to that extent.
Okay. Broadly, if I look at the data which were at, just a second, sir, INR 1,261 crore trade receivables. Is it possible to broadly break it down that INR 1,261 crore datas?
We'll share it to you.
We'll share it.
Okay. No issues, sir. Thank you and all the best.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Vibhor Singhal from PhillipCapital. Please go ahead.
Good evening, sir. Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on great execution once again. Sir, at this point of time, there is no L1 project in our order book, right?
Yeah, no. We all started.
Sir, was there any order cancellation or de-scoping or reduction of some order in this quarter? Because if I look at our order book last quarter, including L1, and if I look at our order book this quarter, there is a gap of almost INR 700 crores if I remove the execution also.
No, no. There will be the variation between the contract in hand in June 30th and September 30th because of the inflation, escalation, price variation we receive in each project.
No, he said otherwise.
Otherwise reduced.
He said there's a reduction.
Reduction
Yes, sir. Last quarter, if I see our order book was INR 12,000 crore and there was INR 3,400 crore of L1 orders. Total order book was around INR 15,500 crore. This quarter our order book is almost INR 13,200 crore, and our execution is around INR 1,615 crore.
See, last time when INR 15,000 crore we calculated in a BPC bid project cost of
Okay. Got it.
These projects, HAM projects. When these bid project costs are translated into the exact EPC cost, post declaration of Appointed Date, there will be around 10% of that reduction will be there because there's a difference between EPC and BPC. That accounts for.
Okay, that's the difference. Now, there is no de-scoping or change in or reduction in scope of any of the projects.
No de-scoping.
Got it, sir. sir, our order inflow till now in the first half of this year, we haven't received any large order, right, sir?
No.
No.
Sir, in terms of the bidding with NHAI, I mean, I know the competitive intensity is very high, but how do you see it going forward for the next half and let's say next year? Do you think we have seen a lot of small players getting into EPC and HAM also, which has probably made competition very intense. Do you see this competition will come down and we will be able to get those INR 8,000 crores of orders in the second half, with these coming down?
Yeah, because of this, under Atmanirbhar policy, they heavily diluted both qualification criteria as well as they totally dispensed with the bid security. There is no bank guarantee being submitted, either HAM projects or EPC, and the net worth reduced from 20%- 5%, and there was a widespread reduction in the qualification. Many small players have entered into, and as per the government policy, this Atmanirbhar relief measures will last up to end of December. Post that once with bid security as well as the qualification criteria, original qualification criteria is restored, there will be lesser competition and lesser number of players. We expect this kind of a competition won't be there. This is otherwise also unsustainable.
Right, sir. Sir, apart from NHAI, any other state government projects which is there in the pipeline? Nothing, right? Sir, at least as far as we know.
We are evaluating the opportunities because many state governments are coming out with expressways and all, but they have not bid out so far. We are evaluating, keenly observing. Secondly, from a water sector, UP government is coming out, so we'll look into it. That also we have not taken any call as of now.
Got it. Great. Thank you so much for taking my questions, sir, and wish you all the best.
Thank you.
Thank you. Participants who wish to ask question may press star and one on their touchtone phone. We have the next question from the line of Jiten Rushi from Axis Capital. Please go ahead.
Good evening, sir. Congratulations on good set of numbers. Sir, my question is on the toll collection. What has been the toll collection, if you can give us project-wise for Q2?
Yes. The MP highway is INR 11.5 crore.
Yes.
OMT Kanpur Ayodhya is INR 105 crore. Kanpur highway, INR 22 crore.
Mm-hmm.
And Delhi Almora, INR 12.3 crore. And Rae Bareli-Jaunpur , INR 32.16 crore.
Okay. Bareilly?
Bareilly-
Ghaziabad? Sorry, INR 11 crore point?
INR 11.47 crore.
Okay. Ghaziabad?
INR 53.7 crore
Sir, on the order backlog, yeah, I just want to ask the two water projects of INR 904 crore and INR 22,351 crore. It is still, it has not started, so the value remains the same, right?
Yeah.
Okay. Because sir, if you've given the project order backlog breakup project-wise, so the total comes at around, you know, INR 10,600 crore. If you add these two projects, which is still the same, then the order backlog total comes to INR 13,860 crore. We have mentioned more than INR 13,000 crore. There's a gap of INR 700 crore-INR 800 crore. That was if there is a descope or changing scope in some projects where the value has changed.
We will provide you the breakup of all the projects. It is INR 1,317 crore.
Please, if you can share it separately.
There's no de-scope. As I mentioned, it's a gap between the BPC and EPC.
That's fine. You've given the order backlog breakup after that. Anyway, sir, I will call you up. We can take it later. Sir, on the yeah, can you give the breakup of mobilization, advance outstanding and retention money?
Mobilization advance is INR 495 crore as on September 30th.
INR 495 crore. Okay. Retention?
Retention is around INR 162 crore.
Sir, what has been the equity invested in CapEx in first half, sir?
First half, INR 23 crore we have invested in the equity.
CapEx? In first half it was I think very small, I think so. Any number?
In first half it is INR 15 crore something.
Okay. Sir, on the bank limits, what is the bank limits, fund-based, non-fund based and utilization level?
Fund-based is INR 1,000 crore and utilization is zero. Non-fund based is INR 5,000 crore. That is mainly because of the BGs. It is INR 2,600 crore outstanding.
Okay. INR 2,600 crore total.
INR 2,600 crore. Yeah.
Sir, on the current outstanding bid pipeline. You had highlighted around INR 11,000 crore last time in Q1 call. What is the current outstanding bid pipeline in terms of projects like EPC and HAM and in which region we have bid for and what going forward, how many projects?
Nine thousand two hundred crores.
Sir, what is the breakup between EPC and HAM?
Actually, this EPC is around 30% and HAM is around 70%.
What are the targets to bid any new projects like, you know, the Ganga Expressway because still it is not out? Are we planning to build Ganga Expressway on the toll or we are just going to skip for it?
See, we've not taken final call. Now the bid date has again been extended.
Mm-hmm.
We are evaluating. Otherwise, the NHAI, we identified a project worth of around INR 25,000 crore to be bid in the next two to three months.
Okay. That's all my side. If I have any more questions, I'll come back in this. Congratulations and all the best once again, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Ashish Shah from Centrum Broking. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Thank you. First question is on the water projects again. You said that about INR 400 crore worth of the projects are now available for execution. By when do you think the residual amount of projects will become available for execution? And do you think with the upcoming elections in UP in early next year, there could be some sort of a derailment of this entire approval process?
No. See, Ashish, this project will continue because it's a very ambitious project and also it's very prestigious for the government, both state and central government. In 2024, when the general elections are there, the main target is this to complete all these projects before the 2024 general elections. There will not be any kind of a interruption in the fund flows and this will continue. By end of this financial year, we expect around INR 1,000 crores worth of projects will be cleared for execution. By the time we would have commenced the execution also on these INR 1,000 crores. Going forward, maybe by middle of next calendar year, this entire set of projects will be approved for construction.
Okay, sure. Also, sir, in terms of the irrigation project we have in AP, we did say that we have executed a small portion of that project. Now, how is the, you know, overall availability of funding for that project? Are we confident that as we go and execute this project, we will be paid on time? If any sense on that, it will be helpful.
We hope so. See, now the project, why the works are not going on because, you know, they from the Srisailam reservoir, they let the water into the canal system, so we had to suspend the works, which are there in the canal. Other ancillary works we are doing. The state government is trying, because it's a prestigious project, and during the last elections, they made a commitment to the people of Rayalaseema saying that these projects will be completed. State government is trying to garner the funds. Otherwise, they said that, they would provide the budgetary allocation to complete these projects before again 2024 elections, assembly elections. We don't foresee any major issue in the provision of funds, and we hope that payments will be released in time.
Sir, what would you think is the possible execution on this one? You said currently the works are suspended. Let's say in the second half, what is the kind of execution we may expect from this project?
We are planning. Yes, our men and material and also agencies are there, so we'll resume the works in the month of January. It can go up to August.
August.
In the next two working seasons, we will try to complete the entire project. The date of completion, scheduled date is March 2024, but before that we'll complete. In the 2022 working season and 2023 working season, we'll complete 100% project.
Basically, sir, you're saying August of 2023 is when you are expecting that?
Yes.
that will be the end of the second working season, and you expect it will be done by that time.
Yeah. Project will be completed by that time.
Okay. Lastly, sir, on this, you know, the whole bidding intensity, et cetera. Can you just highlight what is the quantum of projects that we might have bid during this first half and then probably lost out to competition where we might have stood L2, L3, et cetera? That will just give us some sense on kind of, you know, what is the kind of bidding that you have done and where you've stood in this bidding.
We have done some analysis, Ashish. We'll share with you.
Sure.
See what kind of projects we bid and where we're not the L1 or this thing in HAM and this thing. We have done a analysis. We'll share, certainly share with you.
Right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir, and all the best.
Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone who has a question at this time needs to press star one. We have the next question on the line of Parvez Akhtar Qazi from Edelweiss Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi. Good afternoon, sir. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations for the great set of numbers. The first question is, and out of our overall order book of about INR 13,300 crore, except the INR 3,200 crore of the JJM project, is there any other project on which execution hasn't started till now?
No, we started execution on all the projects.
Sure. So basically what I wanted to say is, I mean, let's say in the second half, we'll do about INR 3,200 crore of execution. So our existing order book will probably be somewhere around INR 10,000 crore by this year end. Now, assuming we win, let's say, INR 8,000 odd crore of orders over the next four months, for most of those projects, probably execution will start only in Q4, assuming, let's say, land, et cetera, is available. Probably may not contribute that much to revenues in FY 2023. So out of this INR 10,000 crore of executable order book, let's say, in the first nine months of FY 2023, what is the kind of revenues that we can get?
I'm sure, I mean, all of these will be underway, so execution will be pretty strong. I mean, any sense based on the timeline, what is the kind of execution that we can see in FY 2023 from this INR 10,000 crore order?
See, these INR 10,000 crore projects, which will be in full swing during the FY 2023, because all these projects by the time would have completed more than 50% and the projects towards completion and all. We expect a substantial percentage of this in the FY 2023 out of this INR 10,000 crore. The projects what we are going to secure in the next four months, in case of EPC, the turnaround time is very less. Once the Appointed Date is done, we'll be able to commence immediately. Only in case of HAM, because we need to go for a financial closure, there will be some lag between the award and the commencement. EPC, we can immediately start.
These projects also will certainly pitch some kind of execution during the FY 2023. We'll share with you the details, and we already had a plan on how to go about and what will be the thing. We'll certainly share with you.
Sure. Thank you. That's it from my side, and all the best.
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Yeah. Am I audible?
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, sir. Good afternoon. I just want to know the overall potential of this Jal Jeevan Mission projects in UP for the next 2-3 years.
In the first phase, they came out with a project of INR 10,000 crores, which are basically dry regions of U.P., in the Bundelkhand and also in the Sonbhadra region. The INR 10,000 crores worth of projects they came in the past. In the second phase which now we are currently executing, it is around 34,000 villages. Again, it comes around INR 50,000 crores. Now they are coming out another 30,000 villages in the third phase and the remaining surface water in the fourth phase. If you see the U.P., U.P. has got 98,000 villages and around you can say it's 60,000 grams above. Even if you take, say, more like INR 1 lakh crore potential of the water projects in U.P. itself.
This will be funded by Central Government 50%, and the remaining will be the State Government 50%.
Okay. You mentioned phase IV would be around, what? INR 20,000 crore?
The overall it would be around INR 1,00,000 crore.
Overall INR 1 lakh. Right.
Yeah, yeah. Now, we are halfway through. In phase two we are halfway through, so another INR 50,000 crore worth of projects are on the anvil.
Sure. Any idea of what percentage of our order book will be comprised of these water projects, say, by FY 2023 and 2024? Because right now-
See, as of.
Yeah. Yeah, go ahead, sir.
Yeah. As of now, it's around, it is coming around 20%-25%, and this percentage we'll maintain.
Okay. This increase in receivables as on September, this would primarily be road projects, or is it irrigation? Oh, sorry. Okay, the water bodies have not started. Okay.
Primarily road projects. Majority of that we received in the month of, actually, the substantial amount of that October in the month of October.
Finally, you had mentioned that you would send across few details like, you know, first half bidding activity.
Yeah, that I have to share with you. We'll share with you.
Okay. How do we get in touch with you for that?
Yeah, we'll share through email. You can take with Mr. Jigar, or you may call me.
Okay. Got it. Understood, and thanks and all that. Thanks.
Thank you. Anyone who has a question may press star and one now. We have our next question from line of Mr. Leek Parekh, Anand Rathi. Please go ahead.
Thank you for the opportunity, sir. I just wanted to ask how much debt will the company be drawing when once for the HAM projects? Well, now they are under construction, so how much debt would they be drawing going ahead? Means in the next year or so.
Next two to three years.
Yes, sir.
Actually, total requirement, total sanction is INR 6,400 crore, and as on date it is INR 3,019 crore.
Mm-hmm.
Repayment has also been started for the project which we have received the PCOD.
Mm-hmm.
More or less, I think there should not be much more increase because the four project repayment has been one project started and three projects it will start from December.
Okay.
Since we are having a cash liquidity in the PNC company as EPC contractor, we are avoiding to take the disbursement more or less at this point of time. That is also one of the reason to increase to some extent the debtor days.
Okay. Sir, one question regarding the tax. What will be the tax guidance for the year for FY 2022?
FY 2022 it is 26%, sir.
26%. Do we have any MAT credit left or it has been fully utilized, sir?
We have reversal around INR 10 crore in the first quarter.
INR 10 crore in the second quarter?
In first quarter.
Okay. In first quarter. Okay. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Shravan Shah from Dolat Capital Market. Please go ahead.
Sir, 2 questions. First, the asset monetization that you have said. So after that, this 5 HAM and 1 annuity, I'm assuming this would be a direct sell like selling to the Cube or some other investor. Going forward, are we looking for an InvIT format?
Parallelly we are also working on that also.
It may be possible that even this can be through the InvIT mode?
Yes, it can be.
Okay, second, in terms of the early completion bonus. Last time we have talked about Purvanchal package 5,6 in Nagpur in third and fourth quarter. In third quarter, is it any bonus to be booked or most likely it will be in the fourth quarter?
It will be in the fourth quarter. In the Purvanchal Package 5, we received the provisional completion certificate four months ahead of the schedule. This bonus would be expecting in the month of in the fourth quarter this one, because they have to have some internal processes.
Mumbai-Nagpur also by December it will be over. There also in the fourth quarter we can expect early completion bonus?
No, that may take some time, because we'll file complete things and all, then, again.
First quarter of next year.
Maybe, yeah. First quarter of next year we can expect.
On the standalone level, this INR 335 odd crore kind of a debt level likely to be maintained going forward?
No, it will go down. We are expecting that by end of this financial year, it should be around INR 150 crore rupees.
Oh, that's.
We have recently started to repay because of the also.
Okay. Thanks. All the best.
Thank you. Participants who wish to ask a question at this time may press star and one. We have the next question from the line of Jiten Roshi from Axis Capital. Please go ahead.
Thank you for taking my question. One last question. We were supposed to receive other commission bonus of INR 13 crore for the old project, but still we are awaiting for that. Any timeline, sir?
We expect before end of this financial year.
Okay. End of financial year we'll receive that.
Yeah.
Early or more advanced, yeah.
Yes.
Okay. We'll send across the mail for the details you have and I'll expect the mail by today evening or tomorrow. Thanks a lot, sir. Thank you and all the best, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I now hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
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