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Earnings Call: H2 2025

Aug 28, 2025

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Good morning. Welcome and thank you for joining us at our presentation today. I'm Bridget Coates, Chair of Comvita , and I'm pleased to introduce my fellow Board Member, Mike Sang, who's on the call with us, and also our new CEO, Karl Gradon. Our outgoing CFO, Nigel Greenwood, couldn't be here today due to his illness, so Mike is stepping in as Chair of our Audit and Risk Committee to present the financial results component of this presentation today. Today we will cover Comvita' s current position, the FY25 operating environment, and key business updates. Mike will walk through the FY25 financial results, and then we'll hand over to Karl to introduce himself, share his perspective on the industry and on our key markets, and to outline Comvita Limited's FY26 priorities. Our presentation will take about 30 minutes, and then we will open for questions.

I should make it clear at the beginning that we will not be giving forward guidance today. There will be extensive information provided to all shareholders, which will be published in the independent appraisers' report, which will be made available to you all in October. It's important to begin by acknowledging Comvita' s current position, both the realities that we face today and the process which is underway to reshape the business. FY25 exposed the full extent of external market pressures and internal challenges. These issues did not emerge overnight; they have been building for a number of years. As we outlined at the 2024 shareholders' meeting at Mount Maunganui, revenue had been impacted by weakening demand, changing consumer preferences, and oversupply from our competitors in New Zealand, particularly in China.

We have not moved fast enough, admittedly, to respond to these dynamics, and that has resulted in elevated debt and limited financial headroom, which has restricted our ability to move at pace. At the same time, it is important to note that good progress is being made. We have restored free cash flow to a positive position, we have reduced net debt significantly, and we have applied much greater discipline to inventory and cost management. These are all early but important signs that the reset is beginning to take hold. We recognize the impact that the last few years have had on our shareholder base, and which is why urgency, clarity, and a credible path forward are essential for all. Following a comprehensive review of all of our strategic options, the Board signed a Scheme Implementation Agreement with Florenz in August, a New Zealand company based in Christchurch.

This agreement provides a potential solution to the structural and financial constraints that the company has faced. It provides an option for our diverse group of shareholders, many of whom may be seeking greater certainty in the current environment. Before Mike walks you through the FY25 financial results, let me set out the operating context that shaped them. The Mānuka Honey sector remains under sustained pressure, with prolonged oversupply, pricing volatility, and softer consumer demand all weighing on the industry, as I said before. Against that backdrop, Comvita has carried elevated input costs from honey purchased from prior years. When the market softened, these locked-in costs further compressed our margins and our profitability. At the same time, significant capital was invested to expand our brand and distribution capability, but these investments have not delivered the expected returns in this environment.

The turnaround has also carried material costs, reflecting the structural complexity and legacy issues within the business. During FY25, we implemented a reset program with urgency under Brett Hewlett's leadership. Brett took over in September last year. He has cut costs, streamlined operations, strengthened leadership, and positioned the business for improved performance. Importantly, Comvita has also protected its number one brand position in key markets. It's held direct margins at 57% compared to 59% in FY24, and achieved important milestones, including a strategic agreement with the world's largest club retailer. We are also reshaping the leadership team, as you are aware, as a deliberate and necessary part of the reset. We are delighted to welcome Karl Gradon as our new CEO, and Karl will be speaking to you shortly.

We have the recruitment for our new CFO underway as Nigel is stepping down, and FY26 will see further progress to make sure that the right capability and structures are in place to support improved performance in this coming year. We've reached agreement with our banking syndicate on a revised covenant package. This includes the waiver of two covenants that were previously at risk, and the introduction of a new EBIT covenant, which will be tested quarterly through to 31st of September 2025. The working capital facility has been reduced to $24 million and extended through to January 31, 2026, while the core debt facility of $35 million now runs through to March 1, 2026. These revised terms provide short-term stability, but our lenders have been clear that a long-term recapitalization solution is required.

Turning to the going concern issue, Directors have carefully considered the matter and believe the group is, in fact, a going concern. Current assets exceed current liabilities by $52 million, and our FY26 forecast shows sufficient cash to meet obligations as they fall due, with an expected return to profitability subject to cost to execution. However, if the scheme is not implemented, there is a material risk of covenant breach beyond December, which the Board will definitely need to be considering. As to the SIA , while urgent steps have been taken to reduce costs, as I mentioned, and simplify operations, they have not been sufficient on their own to restore strength to our balance sheet. The Board has worked alongside our advisors at Goldman Sachs and at Craigs to assess all strategic options. We've considered trade buyers, financial sponsors, debt, and equity solutions.

Many alternatives carried high execution risk or involved significant dilution for existing shareholders. None offered the same level of certainty as the offer which is in front of you today, or in front of you at the end of the year. On August 18, the Board announced a Scheme Implementation Agreement with Florenz at $0.80 a share. The scheme is subject, of course, to shareholder approval, High Court approval, an independent advisor's report, which will be published for you in October, and satisfying other conditions. The Board unanimously supports the Florenz offer, given the premium to recent trading, the greater certainty it provides amid sustained sector, structural, and financial challenges, and the liquidity it provides in a thinly traded stock. All shares controlled by the Board will be voted in favor, subject to the independent advisor's report, and no superior proposal being received by the Board.

I would now like to hand over to our Director and Chair of our Audit and Risk Committee, Mike Sang, who will present the financial results to you. Thank you, Mike.

Mike Sang
Director and Chair of Audit and Risk Committee, Comvita Limited

Good, Ketan. Thanks, Bridget. Let me touch on a few key points at the moment. I think the financial summary just sort of shows the type of year we're in. The revenue has declined by 4%. I'll talk to that in a moment. As a result of that, an increased pressure on our margins. We've incurred another underlying net profit before tax loss of $21.9 million. The consequence of those two losses, this year and last year, taken in tandem, means that we've had to review our value and use models and our thinking about how Comvita and the market might move forward in the future. That has resulted in a degree of provisioning and impairments that has reduced that total net profit after tax loss to $104.8 million. We'll touch on the operating expenses. There's been a real focus on managing those.

They are down roughly 9% on last year. That doesn't tell the whole picture. I think that within those operating expenses, a number of the changes we've made, the full-year effect will only be felt next year. In addition, we've incurred restructuring and other implementation costs of the changes we've made, which also will not recur next year. There will be some reinvestment back into our picks, for example, in marketing for markets where we see opportunity. Nevertheless, we expect to see improvement in our cost structures moving forward. What has been well managed by the team more broadly has been our inventory management. That has enabled us to generate a positive cash flow through reducing inventory. As a result of the free cash flow, we have been able to offset those losses and actually reduce our net debt during the period.

We also think that there is further opportunity for inventory improvement over the next 12 months. Thank you. Flip the page. As you can see, the revenue number is a challenge. That $190-odd million takes us back to the level of revenue we had in financial year 2021. As many of you know, there has been real pressure on cost pressures and inflation through that period. It does create pressure on the overall performance of the company. Largely been driven by Greater China, but that just reflects that's where our strength is and that's where we are heavily exposed. Some of our other markets have also moved, but that China is a critical market for us and a real focus going forward. The gross profit margin of $82.7 million comes out of the 43%, but it's a slightly misleading metric because it includes our provisioning of circa $15 million.

A gross margin percentage without that would be circa 50% compared to 54% last year, and that reflects the challenge on pricing we are facing at the front line. Profit after tax, I'll reconcile that on the next page, actually, so why don't we flick that over now? The major change we have made to try and align a little bit of understanding is in pulling out our impairment, our provisioning for inventory, and our fair value in biological assets. Touching on the smaller one, fair value of our biological assets mainly reflects our bees.

Comvita has traditionally valued its bees at export prices, but with the current state of the industry and the surplus hives around, and also just the challenges of exporting the scale of bees we have in terms of any health, particularly this time of year, we felt it was more appropriate in the circumstances to value these bees at domestic prices, which is substantial, yes. There's been a small reduction in our hives. We have consolidated some of our operations, but that primarily just reflects the fact that we're using a domestic bee price rather than an international bee price. The provisions for inventory are a significant item. I think the pricing Comvita has paid has been a challenge for us, unfortunately. The provisioning is driven by a number of factors.

It's right across all our business units, but the two major items have been a revaluation of part of our raw materials. Some of those materials have started to head towards a point in life where they start to fall a little bit out of spec, which means we tend to use them for specific contractors related to our large retailers and now blending other things. That has enabled us to revalue that in very down-to-market prices. Market prices, of course, are a lot lower than what we have been purchasing hunting for in the past. The impairment, which we'll touch on in a moment, is the other major item. That largely reflects our value and use calculations going forward, and in particular, it affects just our expected cash flows over future periods. Our balance sheet as a result of the impairment is substantially different than the prior year.

Nevertheless, you'll see our major working capital item remains to be inventory, and it still stays at that circa $89 million. The other major item in our balance sheet is our bank debt down the bottom there at $71 million, albeit we do have $9 million cash, so the net debt is $63 million. Other current assets have largely fixed our debtors. There have been some changes with just the nature of our revenue bound and whatnot, but the key items remain our debt and our inventory balances. Future focus remains on reducing that debt further, and we believe that can be done with our return to kind of a more profitable position next year, with ongoing improvements in our inventory, which we expect we can reduce further.

I should note that that reduction isn't just in the volume of inventory we hold, but as we cycle through older higher price inventory and replace it with lower price inventory at a lower cash cost, we improve our debt position and we lower that inventory balance. These are the items we've sort of touched on already, but you can see the trend over this period. Our net debt was circa $5 million five years ago and has risen substantially through that period till the end of last financial year. We've managed to start to reverse that and correct that, and essentially by managing our inventory. There's no doubt there's been a correlation between our inventory and our debt rising, but also with some of our other capital investments that haven't generated the returns we expected, and that kind of operating loss has always been part of that contribution.

Nevertheless, it's positive to see the turnaround and the beginning of the progress we've made in the last 12 months. Our operating cash flow is a slightly odd number. You'll see that the sort of 2022, 2023, 2024 numbers were relatively low compared to the profits we've made, and that reflected the fact that we were increasing our inventory and our working capital through this period. The $34.1 million this year reflects the $31.7 million reductions we have made in our underlying inventory numbers. That's our inventory reduction excluding the provisioning we've done. It's a good number, but the inventory reduction is not a permanent difference. Whilst we expect we can make further changes going forward in the next 12 months, it's not something you can do every year. Our free cash flow down the bottom, you've seen the challenge there.

We've had significant capital investments in our prior years, but nevertheless, we've managed to turn that around to a positive result this year through the management of our inventory again. Ongoing cash focus remains the focus. The board has put a number of practices around it, the team are concentrating on it, and it's a key driver of our performance at the moment. Thank you. I'll hand over to Karl.

Karl Gradon
CEO, Comvita Limited

Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Mike. Just a quick background on myself. I have had the privilege during my career of working with some of the great local and global brands in the food industry. I've spent most of my career offshore, working in some of the most complex markets that Comvita actually operates in today. My roles have included those in innovation and commercial leadership areas, and I look forward to applying those to here at Comvita. I joined Comvita on the 1st of August with a very clear mandate from the Board. My job is to fix what's broken, protect what is strong, and improve our performance. In my second week, I visited all of our key Asian markets and spent time with our people, customers, and partners. I wanted to see firsthand what's working and, of course, what's not.

There is no sugarcoating what's going on, and the challenges are very real. The hard work already underway to reset this business and the opportunities ahead if we execute with focus are also very real. This is a global brand with unique strengths, the best value chain in the Mānuka sector, strong science, trusted provenance and quality, and a retail and online presence across Asia that no competitor can match. We also have something competitors cannot replicate: our people, whose passion and capability are core to what makes Comvita unique. Our strengths give us a foundation others simply do not have: a global brand with authenticity, the best value chain in the category, and a reach across Asia. That foundation is why, even in a tough environment, Comvita is still the leader and why this business is worth backing.

At the same time, we must be honest about what has not gone well. We have lost share and margin through slow decisions and poor commercial alignment. Execution of key initiatives has been weak, and our cost structures remain uncompetitive. Our systems are fragmented, we have persistent silos, and global alignment and prioritization has not been strong enough. The important point on those is that it is not a structural flaw, neither in the category nor the brand. These are issues of alignment, prioritization, and execution. Those are within our control, and fixing them is exactly what we are doing. Personally, I've always believed in taking uniquely New Zealand products to the world with values-aligned brands at the forefront. I believe that Comvita can be that brand, and I'm here to make sure we get there.

As I cast my eye across the market and overall industry, it has been a phase of survival for much of the sector, and some players have not made it. Oversupply, economic uncertainty, and demand fluctuations are reshaping our industry, with the premium positioning especially under pressure and financial constraints driving consolidation at pace. High stock levels, particularly in the lower UMF grades, are still working through the supply chain, and hive numbers are declining. The category is fragmenting further with very different dynamics across the value and premium segments. At the same time, commoditization is accelerating. Large global entrants with scale and backed by significant capital are moving quickly to capture share and leverage shifts in the market. Honey in a jar is no longer enough. Innovation and consumer insights will be central to all future success. Globally, the category growth remains modest at around 1-3% per annum.

China continues to be challenging, while other markets are more stable, with growth evident in North America and parts of Asia. For Comvita, these shifts reinforce the need to move beyond commodity honey. Our focus is on premium, differentiated offerings, and brand-led growth, and that's how we are regaining share in the right parts of the category. When Comvita succeeds, it is largely through China. China, however, remains our most challenging market, with weak consumer sentiment, oversupply, and aggressive discounting in the value segment, which is weighing heavily on performance. The FY2025 results were disappointing, with sales down 10.9% and profit down 24.8% when compared with FY2024. However, we have maintained the number one brand position with over 50% share, but this has required a reset of our distribution agreements and a refocus on our channels and product offerings to protect margins.

These changes are beginning to yield benefits, though I must say recovery will be slow and uneven. Some improvement was seen late in the year, particularly in the premium UMF area, and through opportunities in large-scale retail and online channels. Greater controls are now in place, and the structural and cultural reset of the China business is well underway. The legacy issues of prior years are behind us, and the team culture is much stronger and, most importantly, much more accountable. When China performs, Comvita performs. While the turnaround will take time, our fundamentals in this market remain very strong. As I look to the North American market, which is a key growth area for Comvita , it is delivering, with sales up 10% and profits up 15.2% over FY2024. The stronger performance reflects sharper planning and execution alongside progress in both retail and e-commerce channels.

We've secured the number one brand in the natural retail channel, which is a major milestone, and our strategic retail distribution partnership is gaining traction. The reset in our e-commerce business is beginning to show results. Science remains central to our value proposition. We launched our lip-chariting product range with gut health positioning this year in North America as a launch and learn, and it's providing a platform for new growth. We have encouraging signs across the rest of our world markets, with the rest of Asia outside of China delivering strong growth of 18.5% year-o n- year, despite it being an excessively competitive environment. My recent trip to Singapore was most encouraging. The brand and early retail investments are gaining traction, and momentum is building. However, it's still early days, but these green shoots are emerging after a tough post-acquisition period.

Back at home, Australasia has been impacted by a decline in the Daigou channel sales, driven by weaker Chinese tourism and demand. We've had pricing pressure and had to manage the clearance of our inventory. Non-honey categories have stabilized and returned to growth, helping balance the mix in this market. In Europe, Middle East, and Africa, our sales declined 8.9%, but the move to a distributor model in the UK and Europe has returned this region to profitability, most importantly. We are seeing promising growth in the Middle East, with new pharmacy and wellness retail partnerships coming online. The purpose of this slide is to show that we operate in a very diverse world. Every market is different. Every region is different. Each has its own context, and each in our portfolio has a very important but different role to play. It requires a tailored strategy. That is critical.

There is no single playbook or one-size-fits-all approach. In China, the opportunity is to compete strongly at the volume end, while in the USA, we are doubling down on premium grocery and online, where growth is strongest. Across Asia, it's about optimizing our stores and extending our distribution. While at home, we need to lift our margins through sharper pricing alignment. In the UK, Europe, and Middle East, it's through pushing profitable distribution network extension. The opportunities are clear, but they will only count if we move decisively. We need to take action now across everything we do, and we are going to tackle these markets with everything we have. I mentioned earlier that my Board has been very generous with the mandate that they have provided. I have been given the mandate to execute on several priorities, but I'm under no illusions.

This is a very difficult environment, and Comvita is facing significant challenges. The need for disciplined execution is urgent. While the scheme process progresses, our focus in management remains firmly on business continuity and performance. FY2025 marked the start of a hard reset. Tough calls were made. We exited non-core operations, restructured and rebuilt the leadership team, which continues today, and we are resharpening our focus on outcomes, not just outputs. There is no silver bullet, and there is a lot of work to do, but there is a path forward with tighter focus, sharper choices, and operational discipline. This is not about a new plan. It's about relentless follow-through. That is non-negotiable. In the past, we've been proven to be overly optimistic, investing ahead of traction. That stops here. We must earn the right to grow by getting the basics right.

We don't yet have every building block in place, but we know what's missing, and we are able to move quickly to address it. My near-term priorities are very clear. We need to continue to lift our direct margin while holding our prices. We need to grow our share in lower UMF grades with greater commercial acumen. We need to continue our journey of OpEx savings while simplifying leadership and continuing to right-size our overheads. We must return to profitability. That's a non-negotiable. As a result of this, we will reduce our net debt and reset our balance sheet. Looking further ahead, as I cast my eyes to the future, we must defend and grow our number one position in premium Mānuka globally. We must expand distribution through online and retail channels while optimizing our apiary and forest assets for cost-effective, but most importantly, secure supply.

We must drive innovation and expand the category with sharper commercial filters. Above all else, management must rebuild trust with all of our stakeholders. Comvita has very strong foundations, but that is no longer enough. My job is to align these foundations for competitive advantage and ensure the business moves with urgency, focus, and impact. I'm now going to hand back to Bridget to open the call for questions. Thank you.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Karl, thank you very much. That was an excellent assessment, very positive. I'm sure people would have taken a lot of comfort from the firmness with which you spoke and the direction that you've outlined. We are now ready for the questions from the audience. Would you please click the Ask the Question box to send in your questions? We will endeavor to answer as many questions as we can during the time remaining in this meeting. If we do run out of time, we will respond to questions in writing. We ask that you limit your questions to two per attendee. I will now turn over to Kate and Susan, who are going to moderate these questions for us.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Thanks, Bridget. The first question today is, what assets currently sit outside the current balance sheet, which have been written down to nil or close to it? What cash flows are associated with these assets?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you. Mike, can we ask you to have a look at, to respond to that question? It's a long one. Would you like it repeated in case?

Mike Sang
Director and Chair of Audit and Risk Committee, Comvita Limited

No, that's okay. Unfortunately, there's a range of those assets. The primary ones that were written down through the value in use and the fair value accounting rules were the Mānuka forests and the land use agreements to forests and other related buildings related to our kind of apiary business. The issue we've got at the moment in terms of the apiary part of the market is that the oversupply that Karl has referred to, it's seen that the wholesale price for honey is low. When we work out our cash-generating units, there's an accounting term, but basically our cash rates for our apiary business, we are obliged to use the market rates for wholesale honey. That means that the cash flow being generated off those Mānuka forests is not a lot and doesn't justify the current value of those assets.

I would say that this reflects the market in the current stage and cycle it is. I think those forests are still maturing in terms of their age and will continue to do so. In terms of assets outside the balance sheet, I would say they are probably the major ones. The second one is perhaps our brand and I think values. That's an intangible rather than tangible asset, but that's probably another asset that's well worth noting.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Mike. Right, moving on to the next question, please.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Thanks, Bridget. The next question is, did UMF trademark and rating system weakness reflected in marked increases in bulk Mānuka Honey exports contribute to your sales decline and continuing losses?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

I'll start this question and then, Karl, I'll turn to you on the industry. As has been well publicized, the behavior of the industry as a whole has been very, very unhelpful. Many of our competitors have suffered equivalently. It's made it very difficult. There has been a lot of trading in the marketplace, which is undisciplined and, in fact, deceptive. We have complained about this a number of times over the period, as have our competitors. It has made it very difficult to maintain the taonga of Mānuka for our company, but also for our country. It does cause us all a great deal of concern to see that the precious nature of this product and this industry has been deteriorated by behavior that is not appropriate. Karl, I know you've spoken recently on this, so I'll turn over to you to follow up.

Karl Gradon
CEO, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Bridget. I think in terms of the UMF association, they play an incredibly important role of creating a benchmark within the sector, and it brings rigor and discipline to the entire sector. What is important is that the UMF acts to enforce the protocols and the standards as they are. I've had very encouraging conversations with the UMF association over the course of the last few weeks, where they are looking to continue to implement their enforcement protocols around the integrity of product that sits on the shelf. With that in mind, I'm expecting there to be even greater rigor around the performance of the entire sector players that adhere to the UMF logo. I must say that there is a lot that the other players in the market need to learn from and hopefully therefore join the UMF association long term.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Karl. Susan, the next one, please.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Sure. You mentioned that China is still slow. What is possible to drive revenue in this key market, and does Comvita have a fighting brand in the space to compete while maintaining premium product?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Mike, for the question. I'll turn over to Karl, who has thought deeply about this issue of maintaining a fighting brand while still maintaining a premium position, which of course is a challenging exercise. Karl, your thoughts, please.

Karl Gradon
CEO, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Bridget, and great question, actually. There are multiple ways that we can approach this, either with our own brand or a fighting brand, as you describe it. What we will not sacrifice is the great number one position of the Comvita brand, especially in the premium market. I can say that categorically. What we need to be doing now is taking advantage of the current market dynamics and becoming much more aggressive and assertive with what we do in our purchasing and sales behaviors to take on the players which are currently making inroads in this area. There are multiple channels that we can look at here. We've got some wonderful relationships with the world-leading retailers, which are also looking to grow their own profile in this world.

There is potential for things such as private label or B2B relationships, and who knows what else is out there available to us as we begin to deepen those relationships. All I'll say is that we have a premium brand that we will continue to grow and accelerate in the markets and the categories that we want to win in, while we will find novel ways to accelerate our market share position and fill our plant, implying that all has the capacity today. It is one of our key strengths. We have the capacity to take this opportunity on and take it by the scruff of the neck. I think that of all of the players in the sector today, we are well placed to take advantage of that.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Excellent. Thank you very much. Susan, the next question, please.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Sure. Is impairment and other assets write down subjective or objective?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

This is one for Mike. Thank you.

Mike Sang
Director and Chair of Audit and Risk Committee, Comvita Limited

It's a good one, and it's everyone's best effort to use objective data, which inevitably ends up being subjective. The value and use methodology truly starts with your view of cash flows and the future periods. Inevitably, that requires an assessment of market conditions, and in particular, Chinese consumption, for example. Are we going to see continuing pressures there, or are we going to see a bit of an uplift? How will tariffs and other geopolitical issues impact Chinese demand for our product? In terms of the supply side, are we going to get bumper harvests that's going to continue to see that oversupply and downward pressure on local prices, or will we see that oversupply work through its system sooner rather than later in order to see a reduction in supply and therefore less pressure in terms of competition in the market?

All those are subjective decisions where Comvita has made an effort to use data analysis and independent experts as well as its own product management and leadership to reach a position on. That's a long answer to say that we've done our very best to make what are ultimately subjective analysis.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Mike. The next question is from Neil Craig, who would like to state to everybody on the call that he has had no involvement with the company for the past five years. Susan, could you break this question into two parts, please? The first section and then the second section. I'll answer the first one.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Sure. First piece is, no guidance now is not acceptable to me and other smaller shareholders when Florenz as bidder have this, but we don't for the last two months in budget for 2026.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Neil. As we have said, the independent appraiser is well advanced and the report will be available in October. It's a very extensive report. It goes through both the history of the company and a lot of detail that shareholders will welcome. As far as guidance is concerned, I can say to you that we have a positive free cash flow budget and we are trading in line with that budget as of, what are we, the end of August. We have had one month only of this year. We're not able to give guidance, not least because there will be a significant amount of information in the marketplace in very short order. The first quarter results, then the independent appraiser's report, and shareholders will have a huge amount of information available to them before they need to vote. Thank you.

The second part of the question, please, which is for Mike.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Second part of the question is, I dispute the value and use calculation, which is rather meaningless, and NTA written down to roughly 50% of breakup value. Please explain. The bid appears to be about 50% of breakup value before value and use write down, which is a bit of nonsense. Please explain.

Mike Sang
Director and Chair of Audit and Risk Committee, Comvita Limited

First of all, note the thought and the opinion. The value and use methodology under the FRES accounting standards is a well-established process. There have been many companies that have worked through this, and how you work through it is an accepted way of doing it. Our value and use calculations have been subject to an independent review by a Big Four company. In addition to that, Comvita's accounts this year, quite frankly, have been subject to extensive audit. The accounting irregularities which were previously reported meant that the audit approach this year was very substantive and very thorough and subject to their own internal reviews. I would say firstly that the Board and the accounting team and the professional advisors have made every attempt to conduct the value and use in accordance with our accepted practice.

Accepted practice has been viewed by the Big Four firm, and our accepted practice has achieved a clean audit opinion from our auditors. The second aspect of it is the view of breakup value of net tangible assets. If you've got data on that or analysis, we're happy to give you a more detailed analysis. Given the broad comment, let me give you a broad response, which is that if you take out apiary assets and you take the value of the honey those Mānuka forests are producing under current market conditions, and those forests only use as there's a Mānuka forest and those forests currently have existing contractual requirements and obligations with the landowners, for example, they generate a certain amount of cash. Under the value and use rules, as per the FRES accounting standards, that results in a certain value.

I fully accept that there are different ways to value this company in terms of market value, what people may pay for it, and those types of arrangements. In terms of the FRES requirements to value and use according to the standards, which are very prescriptive, we're confident with what has been put in place. Saying that, I fully and utterly acknowledge that there's a large subjective element to it. You are having to make views around your sales growth, for example, and you are having to make views around your procurement price of honey. These things make a material difference. The challenge we have from an accounting perspective, not a business perspective, is that Comvita is a premium product and invests heavily in terms of the quality of their product.

It focuses its procurement and its production of honey to align to the standards and specifications, which we rigorously ensure pass something like 34 tests to ensure that they maintain the standard of our honey on shelf. The consequence is we are a relatively high cost base compared to a lot of our competitors, which is fine because we're a premium product and we're respected. The consequence of all that in the modelling is that you have a large cost base, a large gross margin. Very small changes in terms of your cost of goods sold or your revenue make a material difference to your value and use calculations. In response to your thing, which is a rather long answer, I apologize. I'm very confident in the work a large amount of people have done to ensure the technical integrity of the model.

I'm very confident that people have given a lot of thought and effort and consideration into the assumptions that have gone into that model. I will be the first to acknowledge that they are assumptions. People will have a different view. Because of the large fixed cost base and the premium product and the gross margin percentage, small changes in those views do make a significant difference to your value and use calculation.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Mike, thank you for the extensive answer. Could I just reinforce that the Board have really evaluated, especially this matter of operating leverage and financial leverage and the impact on the balance sheet? In our situation with the level of debt that we have, small changes in assumptions make a very big difference. As shareholders consider the accounting information that's been given to you, I think it is important, as Mike has said, to remember that the judgment calls that have been made behind these numbers and think about the numbers accordingly. Susan, the next question, please.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Thanks, Bridget. The next question, can you please give us some more detail on the inventory value? Specifically, can you please let us know what proportion is at cost, what is at net realisable value? For that at cost, what is the net realisable value, especially in the context of a business delivering a gross margin of 43% last year and 54% last year?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

The year before, yeah.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

The year before.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Yeah. Mike, would you like to comment on cost and realisable value? I think it's a similar.

Mike Sang
Director and Chair of Audit and Risk Committee, Comvita Limited

Yeah. Okay. Under the accounting standards, all our inventory is basically at the lower of cost or net realisable value. The issue we have is actually slightly different in that our net realisable value is essentially what we can sell that inventory for on the open market, which is our retail price. It is very, very rare we get into a situation where cost is higher than net realisable value. It tends to be the exception. The vast majority of our honey, therefore, by definition, ends up being valued at cost or what we procured it at. Our business challenge is that we've often procured that honey at a higher price than what the current market price is. As a general rule, you are generally not permitted to write that current cost down to market value.

You're only allowed to write it down if, for some reason, the retail price you could sell that honey at is reducing. The provisions we've taken this year are related to situations where, because of changes in business circumstances or the nature of the market, there's been some change to the retail price, which has enabled us to write some stuff down. The vast majority of our inventory is valued at cost.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Mike. Susan, could I have the next question, please?

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Next question. Could you comment or give a feel on the level of oversupply still there, and will this take one year or longer to work through?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Yes. I will start and then turn to Karl to follow up. We have the oversupply situation in the industry, which has been the subject of a number of analytical reports by external parties. The most credible of these is Coriolis, the Coriolis report, which has indicated a probability of an early recovery at 30% and a probability of a lower and longer recovery at 70%. In that sense, there is still, in their view, an oversupply situation to work through for some months still. I think, Karl, you might have some further comments on that in terms of what you've experienced seeing in the marketplace just in the last period.

Karl Gradon
CEO, Comvita Limited

Thanks, Bridget. I think lower for longer seems to be the trend that a lot of people, commentators, are taking right now. As Bridget said, it's likely to work through over several months still. However, we see this as an opportunity. The previous question that I answered was talking about how we might be able to take action to grow market share. These are certainly the considerations that we will be having. We have a plant here that can take advantage of that surplus supply, and we have a brand and retail relationships that will allow us to push that volume into market should we choose to do that. I think that it's up to us. We are over 50% of the market, and therefore, we should be taking the lead and ensuring that the market recovers as fast as possible through a suite of steps.

I'll leave it there, Bridget.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you. Thank you, Susan.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Thanks. Another one for Karl. What does rebuilding trust with all our stakeholders entail? What are the top priorities in regards to this, and where do your beekeeper suppliers sit in this?

Karl Gradon
CEO, Comvita Limited

Thank you for the question. It's a really good question. There is only one way I see that trust is built. You do what you say you're going to do. Execute on the commitments we've made to all of our partners, whether it be banking relationships, whether they be to our retailers and customers and consumers with our brand promise, all the way through to our supply relationships, of which beekeepers remain absolutely critical. I am yet to get out into our apiaries, unfortunately. I've only been in the job for three weeks. However, it is an absolute priority for me as we're getting into this important season of the year. I know that every apiary in the country is beginning to ramp up, so I need to do it quickly.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you, Karl. Susan, any further questions?

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Sure. Next question, if the company does not sell to Florenz Limited, is it highly likely that it will need to issue new shares at a discount?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

As I stated before, the Board has considered all the different capital market options that are available to it. Certainly, the issue of shares at a discount to existing shareholders is a possibility. The dilution that would occur would make it very difficult for many of our shareholders to contribute. We will have to see in the fullness of time after this Scheme is voted upon by shareholders what options are available to us at that time. As Karl has said, much depends on our trading conditions and the situation at that time. In essence, the Board has carefully considered every single option available to it in its decisions to date and will continue to do so.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Thanks, Bridget. We've got a couple more questions. What do you think China bull stock market will do for Comvita?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Who would like to? Karl, let's, yeah, thank you.

Karl Gradon
CEO, Comvita Limited

Look, our stock market is one thing, but most important for our brand is consumer confidence. If the stock market gains translate to consumer confidence, then we will likely see a positive outcome for our China business. That is not always directly correlated. We wait with anticipation that that confidence builds in the China, U.S., and other global markets, actually, that have not necessarily rallied at the consumer confidence level to the same extent we've seen in the last six months at the stock exchange.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Thank you.

Susan Dinneen
ESG and Communications, Comvita Limited

Thanks, Bridget. We've got one final question. What non-cash items, apart from depreciation and amortization, are included between earnings before financing costs and gross profit in the income statement?

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Mike, if you wouldn't mind, thank you.

Mike Sang
Director and Chair of Audit and Risk Committee, Comvita Limited

I think they would be the primary ones. Ben, can correct me if I'm wrong. It's mainly depreciation, amortization, or non-cash items.

Ben Duncan
COO, Comvita Limited

Yes, might be the only other one, and the inventory provisioning will set [crosstalk ].

Mike Sang
Director and Chair of Audit and Risk Committee, Comvita Limited

Sorry, the provisioning and the impairments.

Bridget Coates
Chair, Comvita Limited

Yes. There being no further questions, I would like to thank you all very much for attending. Thanks to my fellow presenters. I think we gave as much information as we could. If there are further questions, we would welcome them. Please do send them through and we will respond. Thank you all for attending and appreciate your support for the business. Thank you very much.

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