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Apr 5, 2023

Justine Smyth
Chair and Non-Executive Director, Spark New Zealand

Good morning. It's lovely to see so many familiar faces in the room. Thank you very much for attending today and also to those online. It is great to have you with us as well. My name is Justine Smyth, I am Chair of Spark. Look, it's my pleasure to welcome you here today to hear more about Spark's strategy for this FY 2024-2026 period. I'd like to acknowledge my fellow directors that are with us today. We have Gordon MacLeod. Gordon's sitting here. Hi, Gordon. Thank you. David Havercroft. Oh, David's over there. Thank you, David. We also have Alison Barrass, who is joining us online today. It's great to have you with us.

I think I speak on behalf of the entire board when I say that we are really pleased with Spark's growth and performance over the last three years, and also the competitive advantage that has been built over this current strategy period. The board and I have been involved in the development of the new strategy, we believe it provides an optimal mix, if you like, of both ambition and resilience, with investments that will continue to grow value for shareholders. Also, we think that we will continue to deliver better experiences for our customers, which is fundamentally important to us. I'm going to hand over to our CEO.

Jolie is known to you all. I really look forward to spending more time and talking with you throughout the day when we have breaks, and then lunch afterwards. Have a good session. Thank you very much.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Justine. Tēnā koutou e akaringatira, hei uru tene o Ngā Puawhenui tonu. Mihi ata nei. Kia koutou. Welcome, everyone. I'm Jolie Hodson, CEO of Spark, and I'm gonna share with you an overview this morning of our three-year plan. Gonna hand over to my leadership team, who will also update you on different parts in a bit more detail. We'll finish with a component in relation to the financial ambitions which Stef will lead. We'll join you back up on the stage for some Q&A in the room, which Alex has already given you some insight as to how that'll work. When I look back at the last three years and where we were when we created this strategy in 2020, you know, we hadn't heard about a lockdown at that point. The world was very different.

This period of time that we've delivered in for this strategy has really been a period of time where there's been enormous change. We've had to adapt to the environment, but we've also had to continue to execute, and we've done that well through that period. With one quarter to go, we're making good progress to our FY from our 2020 goals. If I think about the two core foundations, better customer experience and also growth and people engagement, we've really focused on delivering those well. If we look at our ambition for brand strength, we expect to hit our ambition just past the end of the FY 2023 year, and we've made a really significant difference in terms of digital equity in Aotearoa.

When we stand back, at the start of this period, there were around 10,000 homes with Jump in their home. At the end of this period, there are now 26,000 homes that have access to that. It's made a big difference to closing that gap, the digital divide there. We've achieved our EBITDA margin in every year, and we're on track to do so for FY 2023. Our free cash flow growth has continued, and that's helping to fund the dividend, and we've delivered total shareholder returns that are, you know, at the top of our peer group when you look internationally. We've built competitive advantage through a real capability-focused strategy. If I start on the left, the simple intuitive customer experiences. We've removed 350 legacy plans over this period.

We've migrated 420,000 customers to new plans. We've seen a 50% increase in our digital journeys and a 20% reduction in our core volumes, which is really important when you think about efficiency as a business. Through deep customer insights, through the personalization using data but also the work we've done around automation within our marketing teams, we've seen a real improvement both in the conversion of the plans and offer we're putting to customers but also in the efficiency. 17% year-on-year reduction there. In our smart automated network, we've rolled 5G to 66 locations. 95% of our voice traffic is now off the PSTN, and we've better realized the proceeds of our tower assets, and we'll talk a little bit more about what we're gonna do with that shortly.

The last pillar there is around growth mindsets. That's really about growing our employee engagement because at the end of the day, it's our people that help deliver our strategy. That's grown to 68%. Our board, our leadership squad, and our wider leader group is now sitting at our 40-40-20 gender representation target. We look across our whole workforce, that sits at 33%. We've got more work to do. We're really clear around our ambition there. We've reduced our median pay gap from 28% to 22% during that time. Again, we've got further ambition out to 2025 for that. You think about these capabilities, collectively, they've improved our net, our interaction net promoter score by nine points since FY 2020.

These have supported us to be a more resilient, more customer-centric business and one that uses data much better than it did before. The capabilities have supported our marketplace success. Number one in mobile for connections and service revenue during that time. A CAGR of around about 5.5% growth, and that's really been driven by product innovation. It's been driven by that customer demand for greater data. It's also been driven by the personalization work that we've been doing and the return of roaming. We expect that in the second half to be almost up to that 100% of pre-COVID levels. Broadband's a harder market, but multi-brands have helped us meet the different competitive matters there, and the pricing refresh helped us retain our number on share and base.

We've used wireless broadband growth to both address a different market for our customers, but also to help us manage that cost input, and making sure that there's roughly about NZD 100 million of savings that come every year from using wireless broadband. Our cloud market is changing significantly, so we've seen more public cloud capacity coming onshore and IaaS price pressure as well. At the same time, we're seeing customers move more and more applications to the cloud, so that's increasing the demand and the workloads that are possible for us. We're gonna talk more, so Mark's gonna touch on more around our ambitions around both cloud, but also in our data center strategy as we go through the rest of the session.

Spark IoT growth, 250,000 customers up to 1.2 million, and a revenue CAGR of around 21.5% during that time. Spark Health, revenue CAGR of around 17% through that three-year period. We also made the decision to exit the sports streaming market, which we announced in the first half of this financial year. This ensures that ahead we've got a focus on the areas that we can get the highest return and the best ambition for our business overall. With this growth in both established and future markets, combined with a disciplined cost reduction, we are on track to meet the financial aspirations we set at the start of the strategy.

We've got cumulative revenue growth of between NZD 250 million and NZD 290 million, and cost efficiencies of between NZD 95 million and NZD 115 million. When I step back and look at the last three years, I'm really proud of what we've achieved as a team. Our customers are getting better experiences. Our people are more engaged. We've invested in the critical infrastructure that will support Aotearoa's growth. We are a more sustainable business, and we've delivered value to our shareholders, with Spark continuing to outperform most telcos globally, with a TSR growth of around about 12% over the last three years. That's a really strong foundation to build from, and we're well-positioned to take an advantage of a number of supportive tailwinds ahead of us. We're competition fit.

We've got great momentum in our largest market of mobile, with ongoing rising demand for data. The technologies that we've been investing in are maturing and converging. That opens up new monetization opportunities for us. Through our portfolio management and telco transaction, we have the ability to invest for growth, and we've proven for many years that we can execute with discipline. Same time, the world around us is changing rapidly, and we have to change with it. We expect immigration to return to New Zealand, and that will be a tailwind for both mobile and broadband. Over the longer timeframe, our country will undergo more fundamental changes over the next decade. That has implications for both the customers we serve, but also the people in our organizations. Our country's gonna get bigger. About 6 million people over that period. Also, it's gonna get older.

We're gonna become increasingly a more diverse nation with strong growth in our Māori, Pacifica, and Asian populations. We'll have many people, more people exiting the workforce than entering, which is quite a big different dynamic for us. As we shape the strategy, we've taken cognizant of what we're seeing in those changing demographics to think about what we need ahead. We think there's five key trends that are shaping our operating environment ahead. The first one is that exponential growth in data continuing. That supports our investments in both digital infrastructure, but also in our key growth markets like mobile. Technology convergence is accelerating, and that opens up new monetization opportunities as we find new ways to solve business problems. Virtualization and automation of network and infrastructure is shifting the competitive landscape.

That means network is our foundation, you know, data is our new strategic mode, and that's allowing us to differentiate through customer personalization. You're gonna hear more through the session around the work that Matt and the team have been doing in this space, both in consumer but also in SME, and how we're looking to move that across our enterprise. With greater political volatility and economic uncertainty, we've got largely resilient products, services, and we provide choices through our multi-brands. We're also able to leverage the productivity benefits of tech. The bar on sustainability will continually rise, and so it should. Keeping improving our performance and supporting our customers to decarbonize and to become more sustainable is a really important part of the strategy ahead. For me, that drives you know, a focus on resilience and growth.

Businesses that will be successful in the future will be the ones that can adapt to change more quickly. Adaptability is a strength that we've had and one we can leverage ahead. We're also now in a strong position to invest in future growth. The key question is: How do we invest for growth in a way that also reinforces growth in our core but allows optionality in a future of greater uncertainty? Our strategy aims to position Spark for success in multiple potential futures. Without differentiation, the market will move towards connectivity as a commodity, competing on price. We see two key avenues for investment and differentiation. That first one is around holding customer relationships through the strength of our brands and our deep customer insights. We create competitive advantage by doing that.

Secondly, through network and product capabilities, and that's about being positioned as the ideal partner to a range of businesses. Our ideal position is to be the central holder of both those customer relationships and aggregator of our own products, but also those of a range of local and global providers as well. We believe we can hold this position, and our investment in both forms of differentiation will underpin this. That then guides how we invest in differentiation over the next three years. By effectively managing our portfolio, we can now invest for growth.

We'll be taking NZD 350 million of the Telco proceeds to reinvest into data center portfolio expansion and in new technologies, such as 5G standalone and Multi-access Edge compute, which we'll share more on today in Mark's session, and Steve will touch more too in terms of those investment plans and returns that we're expecting. We'll also be supporting investment in growing sectors like digital identity and verification through MATTR. Claire will spend some time sharing with you the work we're doing there, but also there's a demonstration after the investor session as well in terms of the work there. This all comes together on our new plan on a page. Our purpose and values are on the left, and they're our constants. They're enduring and guide the decisions we make every day as a business.

Our FY 2024-2026 focus will be on empowering the people and businesses creating Aotearoa's tomorrow. I'm gonna step through each section of the plan, so you get a bit more of a sense for that. In consumer, we'll be doing this by bringing New Zealand the best digital-first experiences curated to their needs. That's again the deepening of the data-driven personalization for individuals and households and leveraging our technology investments to lead mobile and to optimize in broadband. We will lead SME by delivering scalable, standardized technology solutions that meet the needs of our customers. In business, we will accelerate simplification and portfolio focus to deliver both growth but efficiency as well. We'll also be enabling our own customers to become more productive and sustainable through that as well.

We will accelerate our investment in the high-growth data center market, and then we'll drive growth in high-tech solutions, leveraging these new capabilities and technology convergence to create innovation solutions to help customers solve problems and really unlock value. We need to continue to invest in the enablers of our marketplace success. Next evolution technology is all around highly secure, automated, and resilient network that supports what we need to do. It's also about investing in digital infrastructure that help our customers to grow. We will deploy 5G standalone during this period to enable the opportunity for us to provide fiber-like experiences, so accelerating our competitiveness and fueling new growth areas, particularly in wireless broadband. We'll unite our focus on simplification and data through our simple data-driven organization enabler.

Here the focus is gonna be taking what we've done and the competitive advantage we've created both in consumer and SME across into enterprise and then more into the overall business. Our innovation culture will fuel our future growth ambitions and differentiate Spark through top decile people engagement. How we do business will remain just as important as what we do. Our commitment to sustainability, weaving te ao Māori perspective into the way we do business is enduring. We'll continue to pursue growth that supports Aotearoa New Zealand's economic transformation, protects our natural environment, and helps to close the digital divide. Our Māori strategy finds a shared space between te ao Māori and the corporate world, with a particular focus on meaningful partnerships that increase Māori participation and progression in our sector and support the revitalization of te reo.

With this focus, we will deliver sustainable growth for our shareholders. We're an enabling business, and we will grow by enabling others, so our customers, our people, and our Aotearoa. We'll deliver top-line revenue growth through reinvestment in the business and the new sources of growth we will touch on through this period. This combined with sustained cost discipline will deliver EBITDA growth. Through capital management and free cash flow growth, we will grow dividends for our shareholders and market-leading shareholder returns. We believe this strategy delivers the appropriate balance of resilience in an increasingly uncertain operating environment and ambition for growth in an increasingly digital future. As we've proven, when we have a clear plan, we can execute against that with commitment and passion, and I'm confident we've got the team around us to do that at Spark.

To support our new strategy, I've made some changes to our leadership squad to reflect the outweigh to focus on the new high-tech solutions, digital infrastructure, and a focus on SME. That's by splitting the customer director role into two roles and realigning the network and ops role. I'm now gonna hand over to Tessa and the team to share more detail on each component of the strategy.

Tessa Tierney
Product Director, Spark New Zealand

Thank you, Jolie.

My name is Tessa Tierney, and I'm Spark's product director. Today, I'm gonna share with you more detail on our consumer and SME strategy, which covers the mobile and broadband markets and how we'll approach growth in the small to medium business segment. First, let's start with mobile and broadband. In consumer, over the next three years, our aspiration is to bring New Zealanders the best digital experiences curated to their needs. We'll do this by leveraging three competitive advantages. First, our multi-brand market approach through Spark and Skinny, which enables us to play at both the value-added and price-conscious ends of the market. Second, our unique ability to target the right product to the right person through our data and AI capability, which means we're highly efficient at acquiring new customers and reducing churn.

Third, our technology investment, which enables new product innovation while meeting the ever-growing needs of customer demand for data. Looking at the mobile market first, we have really strong momentum here and are well-positioned for future growth. Customer demand for data continues to increase and will grow further as 5G applications drive higher usage. For example, in areas like gaming. When we look offshore, the average data usage in New Zealand still lags international markets, so we sort see more room for this to grow as 5G coverage intensifies. We'll also benefit from the ongoing tailwind of high-value mobile roaming revenues. We expect to be back around 100% of pre-COVID levels by FY 2024. Immigration is forecast to grow by about 76,000 people over the next three years. In mobile, we'll grow value focusing on three core customer benefits.

Firstly, that delivering just what I need. We know there's a huge divergence in our customer base today in terms of the data customers need, the services they want, and the budget they have to work with. By leveraging our multi-brands, we ensure customers can choose a plan that meets their needs regardless of their budget. We'll continue to use in-demand services like Netflix and Spotify to maintain Spark's value-added position in the market, while using lowest cost operator economics to lead on value with Skinny for price-conscious customers. We'll deliver direct-to-cell technology, satellite services as they mature in the next three years to ensure ongoing resiliency for our customers. This will insulate Spark against recessionary impacts while maintaining our momentum in what is a highly competitive market. Secondly, we'll expand personalization from the individual to now being the household.

You heard Jolie earlier say how we significantly simplified our product portfolio and matured our data capability in consumer, which is enabling us to provide individual customers with personalized offers that's boosting our conversion rates. What we can do now is take that same approach and apply it to the whole household. This will grow our share of wallet by expanding penetration in our average revenue per user, or ARPU, and targeted upsell. Thirdly, we'll seek to monetize 5G latency and capacity by bringing our customers the latest digital experiences. We will accelerate our local and global partnerships to offer rich entertainment experiences, enabling high-volume, high-speed data consistency that supports applications of the future. We will put in place annual price reviews, taking into consideration inflation, as well as explore experience-based consumption plans that make the most of what 5G has to offer.

This will enable us to grow our 5G base and ARPU through higher data use cases. To summarize our approach in mobile, it's about leveraging our strong brands at different ends of the market, deep data capability, and emerging technology to bring our customers personalized and cutting-edge mobile experiences that maintain our leadership position. Turning now to broadband. We will see the same tailwinds from immigration as we see in mobile. This is also a highly competitive market. In contrast to mobile, there is a limited ability to differentiate. Without owner's economics, ongoing cost increases put significant pressure on our margins. Despite these challenging conditions, over the last three years, we have stabilized our broadband base and maintained our number one position.

While it's a challenging market, broadband does enable us to build deeper connections into the household with a greater mix of products and supports cross-sell and upsell across our product portfolio. Within this context, the role of wireless broadband remains critical to our competitiveness. With our diverse customer base, having different broadband needs, if you're a single person in a household where you most use the internet to check emails, you probably don't want to pay a premium for fiber. If you're a larger family that likes to game or stream, fiber is going to be your preference. During the last three years, we refreshed our broadband plans to provide clarity to these customers on the suitability of wireless broadband and fiber for our customers based on these usage needs.

During this time, we've grown our wireless broadband base to 29% today and are on track to hit our 30% by the end of FY 2023. By offering customers more choice and avoiding fiber input costs when they're not needed, we improve our overall broadband economics and are then able to offer more value to customers and compete more effectively in the marketplace. When we look ahead, there are two key tailwinds that we see we can leverage in the market in broadband. First is our data capability. This has significantly matured over the last three years and enables highly targeted and efficient acquisition and retention, which is a unique competitive advantage in our marketplace. Second is 5G. As 5G densifies, and particularly as we roll out 5G standalone, the competitiveness of wireless broadband is going to increase.

Early 5G standalone trials are delivering download speeds of up to 700 megabits a second and single-digit millisecond latency, which gives you an idea of how much more competitive wireless broadband is going to be in the future. We'll grow our broadband value by focusing on two core customer benefits. Just like in mobile, delivering just what my household needs by leveraging our multi-brands and mature data capability. Through this capability, we can better identify households with usage that would be well served by wireless broadband, and then target those households with compelling offers. That delivers customers with a more personalized and relevant product or service in a highly efficient way of either acquiring, retaining, or cross-selling a customer for Spark.

We anticipate wireless broadband will grow towards 35% of our base by the end of FY 2026. We'll then leverage our simple product line up and our data capabilities to achieve broadband economics that enable us to offer the best value in market, improving acquisition rates and retention. This will ensure our customers get the most value for their money across Spark and Skinny brands, while also growing revenue and returns. To summarize our approach in broadband, the focus on getting the right product to the right customer in a highly efficient way. Leveraging our brands and data capability to serve all customer segments, and our investment in 5G, increasing our addressable market for wireless broadband to make us more competitive, and while supporting broadband economics that provide value for our customers. Let's shift focus to small, medium businesses.

Over the next three years, our aspiration is to enable SMEs to grow and become more productive and sustainable through technology. We'll do this by leveraging three competitive advantages that we have. First is our market-leading position and local Like You brand positioning. It has a strong resonance in our target market. Secondly is our data and AI capability, which is now extending from consumer into SME and improving our sales pipeline and conversion rates. Our 24 locally owned and operated business hubs that are complemented by our national IT partner channel and global partnerships that differentiate us in the market. The SME market in New Zealand is significant. If you define small, medium enterprises as a company with under 100 employees, then 99% of businesses in Aotearoa are small, medium.

As you'd expect, the number one concern for these businesses in the current environment is rising costs, which is driving an intense focus on productivity. While that might be the case, we know that SMEs lag enterprise on digitization despite the benefits it brings in terms of efficiency and productivity. Previous research has shown there's an NZD 8.5 billion value to our economy from SME digitization. We've seen the government recognize this through their Digital Boost program. The opportunity to continue driving growth through SME digitization is substantial. You've got to have the right model to reach them where they are. This is how we lead the market in telco. When we look at the market in the years to come, we see the best way to drive additional value is by expanding our leadership position into IT.

As you can see from the slide on the screen, there's an anticipated NZD 90 million of increase in the addressable IT services market from 2021 to 2026. While we already provide a level of IT services to SMEs, there's much more we can do to scale this and deliver it more efficiently. We'll grow our share of IT by focusing on supporting SMEs to improve revenue generation and efficiency, and more clearly tailoring our service approach to different segments of the market. For our customers who have under 20 employees, our approach will be to standardize our offerings and create digital-first channels. This means our most time-poor customers can easily access our products and services when and where they need to, with frictionless journeys that don't add to their already heavy administrative burden.

For our customers with more than 20 employees, who are most likely to be looking at IT options, this is where we can provide that curated IT and hybrid cloud solution that are underpinned by partnerships, whether that's our local IT partner network or partnerships with global providers. This curated approach provides the best service fit for our customers while improving their efficiency. We have great momentum in SME, a solid customer base, and great local partners. As we navigate a recessionary environment, we want to continue playing a supportive role to our customers by helping them harness the power of technology for their business. With that, I'll hand over to Mark.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Kia ora koutou. My name is Mark Beder. I'm the Chief Operating Officer for Spark. I'm soon to be the Customer Director for Enterprise and Government. We're going to shift gears now and talk about larger business and enterprise market. Our aspiration is the same as what it is for SME, and it's to help our customers grow and become more productive and sustainable through technology. We believe there are three competitive advantages to this. The first one is end-to-end capability, and that means we're a one-stop shop for everything from connectivity all the way up to complex business solutions. We're also a trusted partner with local knowledge and local expertise. Thirdly, we've got scale so that we can invest in technology. We've also got global partnerships.

Looking to the future, the B2B market remains an attractive market for us. We've got predicted growth across all our segments, and that's managed data, networks, collaboration, service management, security, and cloud. The dynamics are changing from a competitive perspective and with the entry of hyperscalers into the New Zealand market. As a result, we've had to move and focus our shift more from a value chain perspective and while also rightsizing our cost base. If you look at the four key areas of our value chain, we'll start at the bottom first, which is connectivity. Connectivity is really about copper, wireless, and fiber. The future focus for us is really moving away from traditional connectivity into things like software-defined networks, and it's also having a focus on ownership economics.

What we mean by ownership economics is moving into our access and aggregation networks away from others. As we move up the sector infrastructure, we've got 16 data centers nationally. We've also got 35 exchanges, and we're currently investing to expand. What we mean by that is we've completed a Mayoral Drive upgrade, and we're also focusing on Takanini as well. As we look forward, we see you know, considerable growth in that data center market, and we'll talk more about that a little bit later on. Thirdly, products. We do everything from managed data, collaboration, security. When we think about security, we're really thinking about security, but also we bundle that up with network services as well. Obviously cloud.

With cloud, we focus on IaaS, which is what we call our private cloud, and we resell public cloud. As we look forward, where we see the biggest change is probably in cloud, and that's with hybrid cloud. What we mean by hybrid cloud is it's public cloud, distinct from private cloud, and it's basically got there an overlay of a service layer over the top, which means we combine the two together. That gives customers the opportunity to move between the two, whether it's moving customer data from private into public or the other way around. We see that as a big growth market for us. In service and solutions, obviously we do service management, which is basically an outsourced IT services capability, and we do cloud and data consulting.

For us, we see sort of that continuing on with our growth market there as well. As we look forward to cost, and obviously we're looking at our rightsizing our cost base, and that's all about accelerated simplification. When we think about accelerated simplification, we think about four key things. Consolidation is moving, removing back-office duplication. It's also about moving away from our legacy technology products as well. Things like copper, which we'll start to move away from. Secondly, standardization. Standardization, again, is moving away from our bespoke products into more standardized products. That gives us the opportunity to be more efficient and more stable across our base.

Thirdly, we'll drive efficiency through simplifying our operating model, and it's enhancing our data insights using common tools and also automation as well to get that consistency. Fourthly, and finally, we'll focus on customer interactions through digital channels, which gives us more cost-effectiveness and also provides customers with ease of doing business with us. As we talked about data center growth, we still see data center growth as a big high-growth opportunity for us. We see data center build capacity is expected to grow by above 40% CAGR to 2026. This is an investment that delivers a long-term, high margin, high revenue business for us. We're also a logical choice for customers because we've got a big asset base as well.

When we think about our asset base, we've got 35 exchanges, we've got lots of property. The other thing also we have is that connectivity between those exchanges and data centers, which obviously gives us the ability to put services over the top of. Finally, we've invested heavily in Takanini. We're about to by mid this year, we'll have completed our Takanini Stage two development, and we're also gonna invest in a Stage three development as well, and also look for other opportunities from a geographical perspective for that resilience and also for capacity as well. I'll now move to high tech solutions. What we mean by high tech solutions is effectively the layer that sits over our connectivity and our ICT. That's things like Internet of Things, 5G standalone.

The 5G standalone for us is about 5G radio with 5G standalone core, which means we get that latency and also that speed. It opens up other opportunities for us. It's the same with Multi-access Edge Compute, and that's putting compute closer to the customer. What that enables is other types of use cases that really gives us the advantage of offering solving different types of problems for customers. Data and AI and digital identity, which is what Claire will talk about. With that, we see three big key opportunities. The first one is obviously our continued focus on digitalization of the health sector. Secondly, it's on the digital identity, which is MATTR, which is what Claire will talk about in a minute. Thirdly, it's about converged solutions.

As Jolie said, it's about taking a lot of those high-tech capabilities and putting them into a converged solution. I'll start with health. I think we can all appreciate that the health sector is under significant strain. Healthcare practitioners are dealing with complex patient needs, workforce shortages in an aging population. From a tech perspective, there's also a huge amount of manual paper-based processes, significant amount of legacy and technical debt, and that really opens up the opportunity for us to think about how technology can play in making patient care more efficient, personalized, and accessible. Spark Health has experienced significant growth in the last three years, as Jolie talked about, and it's really been in the key area of core services, which is from connectivity through to ICT, cloud, and transformation.

We'll see that continue to grow as we move forward into the next three years. From a digital health perspective, we've obviously built some platforms, and we see that growing as well, and so we're gonna have a focus on expanding that out as well. That's examples of that would be something like Hira, which links health service providers and their patients and provides the patient more control over managing their records. Thirdly, digital hospitals. We see opportunity there with things like converged solutions and edge compute, which can bring some other types of use cases to bear as well. Some examples also from an Internet of Things perspective, we start thinking about Internet of Medical Things.

That's things like putting IoT devices into hospital beds, and that helps us with utilization and also understanding where those beds are. Secondly, things like if you think about equipment like defibrillators and how we might track those in real time. Those are the sorts of opportunities we see from a health perspective. I'll now hand over to Claire, who will talk about MATTR.

Claire Barber
CEO, MATTR

Thanks, Mark. The Internet has changed how we live and work, and in doing so, it's created a huge amount of economic utility. It's not without its challenges. Hello, my name is Claire Barber. I'm chief executive of MATTR, a standalone Spark subsidiary business. I'd like to take a moment to introduce you to our company and share how we've grown from a team of four people, six people when we started four years ago, to become a globally recognized leader in digital trust. At MATTR, we specialize in solving the historically difficult challenges of digital security, privacy, and data verification. Today, we are well-positioned to help our customers address the very real-world human impacting problems that they face. What does that mean? Well, imagine a world where you could simply and confidently share information about yourself to prove entitlements and live your daily life.

Imagine if you could do that without over-sharing and leaving yourself vulnerable to honeypot attacks and identity theft. If you could hold your own digital credentials in the same way as you can hold your physical credentials today and carry them around and use them cross-contextually with choice and control over who you share them with and what you share. Our identity attributes are critical to helping organizations to understand who's on the other end of the device. Imagine if we too could have the same high level of confidence that we were dealing with real organizations. If we could know the sender in the same way as organizations get to know the customer. If we could be confident we were dealing with the organizations that we trust, and not phishers and scammers taking their place.

When you think about the data breaches and cybersecurity incidents that we've seen unfold in the last year alone, it's not hard to imagine the significant value in creating privacy-respecting ways of working. This is the future that we are contributing to right now. How do we do this? Our approach starts with the major global standards forums. If you want to change how the Internet works, you need to participate in the major forums where these conversations take place. At MATTR, we are a standards-first company. By working at a deep tech level, contributing to the design of protocols and standards, we help to inform the next generation of the Internet. Armed with this deep tech understanding, we do two things. We work in the field with customers through MATTR Labs, gaining insights from real-world implementations. We use these insights to do two things.

Firstly, to feed back into our work in the standards community to ensure that we have robust and solid standards. Secondly, to inform our product development. This has helped us to develop world-leading flexible infrastructure for verifiable data and digital trust. Our MATTR VII API platform and our MATTR Pi platform toolkits are built for enterprises, governments, OEMs, and developers. Our products are informed by our early work with customers, including the US Department of Homeland Security's Silicon Valley Innovation Program. At a very high level, our products allow individuals and organizations to do three things. Firstly, to break down data silos and share data in a way that allows the insurance and integrity and authenticity of the information to be carried with it.

Secondly, to build bridges between the physical and the digital worlds, ensuring that we can have paper-based digitally verifiable credentials and digital credentials for in-person and over-the-internet exchange. Thirdly, we provide simple and convenient ways for people to hold their own data, manage consent, and selective disclosure. In short, MATTR's been busy helping to create a new market category. We've done this by helping potential clients identify and connect with the gravity of the digital trust problem, and by working together on how to solve it. While the market is still evolving, global research shows its potential size. The decentralized identity industry is set to grow to a $28 billion market by 2031. This will show up in different ways as categories of customers start innovating with this technology.

We will see public and private sector verifiable credential ecosystems emerge, with trusted organizations playing a role as ecosystem operator and in onboarding different issuers and verifiers. We'll see value exchange networks where issuers monetize assurance as a service. We'll see verifiable supply chain solutions, including the use of verifiable data to do things like track carbon and digitize cross-border trade. We'll see a range of other use cases, such as next-generation notarization solutions, for example. By concentrating on providing world-class tools in a flexi-flexible architecture with security and compliance wraps, MATTR is well-positioned to capture a share in this emerging market.

Given the decentralized nature of the technology architecture, we've put a huge amount of thought into developing tools that support full credential lifecycle management across all role holders. This means that we have products to support issuers of credentials, digital wallets and toolkits for our customers to build their own applications that in turn will allow their customers to hold their credentials, and verification infrastructure and toolkits for relying parties. All of our products are built standards first to support interoperability. We're well-positioned to meet the market as governments around the world start to show strong interest in setting reference frameworks for the profiles of standards that they will support and recognize. From the start at MATTR, we've designed with people in mind, having strong focus on user journeys to ensure that credentials can be used in the places and spaces where they matter most.

All of this is underpinned by the MATTR security framework, which provides an overarching security and compliance approach to meet the needs of governments and large enterprise buyers and is backed by independent audits. MATTR has secured several global clients across the public and private sectors in multiple territories, including the United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, and here in New Zealand. In addition to our work in the United States, we're working in Canada with the Association of Registrars of the Universities and Colleges of Canada on a pilot of digital microtech credentials for Canadian learners. This allows students to hold and share their verifiable credentials when seeking employment or signing up for new learning journeys. In Europe, we're working with a private sector company who's building their own verifiable credential ecosystem in a service provider model and onboarding issuers and verifiers.

Here in New Zealand, we have a contract with Te Whatu Ora in the health sector. I'm also really pleased today to be able to share that we've recently secured another significant contract, this time in Australia, with the New South Wales Government, where MATTR is the technology partner on the digital identity and verifiable credentials program. In this project, we'll be providing products that enable digital credentials to be issued, made available via New South Wales Government apps, and independently verified by third parties. Over the next three years, MATTR will scale further as the market forms. To support our growth, we're committed to ongoing investment in our long-term product roadmap, which is prioritized by market maturity and product vision. Thank you for your time this morning.

At the end of today's briefing, we'll be providing the opportunity for you to see a demo of MATTR's capabilities to bring our products to life and to help promote understanding of the market that we're operating in. Please come along, and we'd be really happy to answer your questions then. Mark. Thank you.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Claire. Now we're going to turn our focus to converged technologies, and we'll start by just recapping what we talk about when we talk about high-tech capabilities, and that's really about, again, putting that layer or those product and features over the top of things like ICT and connectivity. As you can see, we've sort of started to rapidly mature some of these areas. From a data and analytics perspective, we've got Qrious, which obviously is a company that's been growing significantly in the last few years. In the 5G space, we've nationally rolled out 5G. We've got about over 60 locations now. We're starting to trial things like 5G standalone and mobile access edge compute, and we're going to start talking about that, and I'll show a video next.

Thirdly, Internet of Things. As Jolie said, we've grown from 200,000 connections sort of pre-COVID to over 1.2 million connections now. That's quite significant growth in the last few years. Fourthly, as Claire talked about, digital identity. If you think about those four things separately, they're very independent of each other, and each of those different markets is rapidly growing as well. When we think about converged solutions, we're starting to bring a lot of these capabilities together. The video I'm about to show you now talks about bringing together Qrious, multi-access edge compute, and 5G edge. You can sort of see how we can converge these solutions together to solve different types of problems for different types of businesses. I'll get the video to play.

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Each year in New Zealand, there are about 32,000 workplace accidents. Unfortunately, about 65 of those are fatal. EnviroNZ asked Qrious whether or not we could use advanced artificial intelligence to transform the safety of their workplace.

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Enviro NZ is a environmental services company that specializes in waste and recycling, reuse, and repurposing of materials. A site like this is a resource recovery center, but probably one of the biggest challenges is the movement between people and heavy machinery. People have been disposing of their refuse, dropped a mobile phone, and even through to lawnmower catcher, broken brooms. At that particular point in time, that object becomes quite important. We've seen them bypass our barriers, our signage, jump into the pit to try to retrieve these objects while maybe a piece of heavy machinery could be working, putting themselves and also our team at risk.

We thought, how can we better use data? How can we use technology to perhaps capture those moments that we're not necessarily capturing observationally?

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As a result, Qrious developed a hazard detection system using AI, which is used for monitoring and alerting about potential health and safety incidents on site. Spark has deployed 5G-connected cameras to Enviro NZ's transfer station.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

This is New Zealand's first 5G Edge trial use case. In this case, we've really focused on moving the Edge node closer to the customer, where normally that cloud node would be somewhere in Sydney. This is a really good example of how we've taken Snowball, AWS, and also our partners, Qrious, to really demonstrate that low latency, high availability use case with our customers in New Zealand. As you can sort of see, we've taken those different capabilities and converged them together for a health and safety example. If you think about different businesses, it could be a port, it could be a logistics or transport station, it could be manufacturing, it could really be anything. You take a use case like that, and you could apply it across different sectors and industries.

As we start looking at these sorts of things, these are the sorts of different types of use cases that we're starting to think about and look at, and obviously with those new sort of technology capabilities as well. If you're talking an example like a port where you might have a network slice IoT private network, and you might have video analytics, and you bring all that together into a converged solution. That's really the benefits and things that we're looking at in terms of use cases and focus areas for us. It starts to solve business problems like cost control, more efficiency, more automation, and new ways to adapt to a low-carbon world as well. We're starting to bring all these capabilities together to look for opportunities that may be there as well.

We're not starting from scratch. We've obviously done a lot with IoT, again, we're over 1.2 million connections now. What that really looks at is it gives us the opportunity to start thinking about different types of use cases across different types of sectors. Today, we're in agriculture, commercial, construction, health, public sector, and transport and logistics with IoT. If you start thinking from a value perspective about putting a more higher value solutions over the top of things like IoT, that's where we see the real opportunities in terms of things like the converged technology. As we look ahead in terms of the enablers, we'll start with the next evolution of technology.

If we think about the next evolution of technology, as Jolie said, if you stand back from the last three years, we've really focused on the resilience, the automation, building out new technologies, and those are things like optical transport network, which gave us a lot more resilience up and down the country. Access and aggregation, which obviously gave us those ownership-like economics and automation, where we've started to automate a lot of our network that we've got out there at the moment. It helps us with provisioning times and also resilience. As we look ahead, we're looking at resilience, adaptive, and automated. Again, that's really about the resilience piece, so about bringing and localizing issues when they happen and fixing them faster. That gives us the opportunity to be a lot more resilient across the country.

The automation piece is very much about how do we automate things faster to improve speed to market and also get that scale and get to an unconstrained capability, unconstrained capacity capability as well, which we can spin up instances and capacity incredibly quickly across the country. Secondly, simplified and sustainable. As we talked about, we're focused on coming out of PSTN and exiting 3G as well. Those obviously provide us with big opportunities for move customers or future-proof customers and move them to new services and products. At the same time, also from a sustainability perspective, to get out of some of the big energy-consuming products as well that we've got. Thirdly, new technology and development.

Again, that's focused on 5G standalone, edge compute, and also looking at how we bring a lot of those sort of use cases together to help us with our customers in terms of the business challenges that might be out there as well. If you play that out, we're looking at three key things. Obviously, more capacity across our network, which is obviously getting to the unconstrained capacity stage. That's really about making sure our customers have got what they need and when they need it. Secondly, we're looking at making sure that we've got that automation right so that we can roll out things faster, we can fix things quicker, and we've got that capability across the country.

The second thing also is that we're obviously looking at satellite, and we've got some trials on enterprise satellite coming up in the next few months. Secondly, exiting PSTN and 3G. As Jolie said, we've got 95% of our voice traffic off the PSTN now, so we've only got that 5% to go, and we've decommissioned over 50% of our actual PSTN switches as well. From a 3G perspective, we've obviously made the announcement there. We're looking to be out by the end of 2025. From a new technology development perspective, it's really about getting that 5G diversification done or densification done, not diversification, densification done.

Also from a 5G edge or 5G standalone and edge perspective, really about getting to productionized state with that as well over the course of the next two years. Obviously preparing for things like 6G in the next few years. We don't see 6G really happening till late 2028, 2030. Security. From a security perspective, threats are always evolving, and they're always gonna be out there. Spark, we believe we're well-positioned to handle any security threats, and we break it into three. Firstly, from a capability perspective, we've got over 180 subject matter experts in security today. We're well-positioned to about make sure that we can handle security threats with the people that we've got.

We train our people as well in terms of making sure that we can identify new threats as well. Operationally, we've got an incident response team that is focused on very much any incidents that do or potentially do come up. We obviously put security into all our design, build, and operate processes. The other thing also we look out for is global threats. We're constantly looking at the market for global threats and how we can mitigate those. That's obviously constantly evolving all the time. We're very, very focused on making sure that we get that right.

From a governance perspective, we've got strong governance frameworks in place to ensure that we've got that oversight even at the highest level. We're pretty much covered from the governance perspective. We've got an ISRMC, which is very much about how we govern from an executive perspective, and then we've obviously got the RMC that governs it at the board level. I'm now going to hand over to Matt.

Matt Bain
Marketing Director, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Mark. Kia ora koutou. I'm Matt Bain, Spark's Marketing Director. Tess and I will take you through our next enabler: simple data-driven organization. The first part of this is focused on our consumer business. We've already made a lot of progress in this area, particularly around using AIs, as we've spoken about before, to target customers, give them better experiences.

That's been largely focused around customers, individual customers. As we move forward, household will take a bigger role. How do we identify and anticipate the needs of households and serve them with personalized experiences to drive cross-sell and upsell, as mentioned before? Secondly, non-Spark customers. We've again, focused largely on our own base and insights around that. As we move forward, we'll look at applying the same sorts of insights to our acquisition activity. When we advertise to people, how can we anticipate their needs better and drop them into personalized experiences rather than a generic acquisition journey? We'll be looking to also move from focus within channels to integrating across channels more. Customers don't start and finish an experience in a channel necessarily. A lot of the time, they'll start in digital and move into a store.

That omni-channel recognition of a customer and channel understanding the context is gonna be important to start to move the dial on that. Finally, moving from sales and marketing into service. How do we provide more personalized context-aware service solutions, and even predictive service capabilities so that we identify a potential issue before it occurs? The second area here is B2B. As referenced, we've made a lot of progress in the SME market with this capability. There's a lot of overlap between a large SME and a small enterprise, so we're starting to move that capability up into the enterprise space to start to generate the same sorts of outcomes, and decisioning and enterprise that we've achieved in the SME and consumer space.

That will be supported by simplification of product portfolios, and digital first, right? Our customers love digital channels. Let's evolve them quickly. What you see is this is a coming together of two previous capabilities that we've had: simple, intuitive customer experiences and deep customer insights. The simple intuitive customer experiences, but as a modular product set, so you can mix and match products and services. The deep customer insights tells you how you mix and match those products and services for a specific customer, or business. The final piece is this is great. It's working really well in marketing, but we've got bigger ambitions than that for this platform. It's been built to scale beyond that.

How do we start to identify other parts of the organization where we can take this large data decisioning capability to make decisions more quickly and more accurately? This capability we call BRAIN internally. BRAIN was the name of the squad that initially built this. It stands for Build Robust AI for Next Best Action. We didn't name it, the squad did, but it stuck. And BRAIN's a large at-scale decisioning engine that self-learns. Here's a short video just to describe that to you, and we'll pick that up after. What's the difference between yesterday's brand and the brand of the future? The brand of the future knows that every New Zealander is unique. How do we treat our customers as individuals? By using AI, state-of-the-art technology, and our data to develop a big and powerful learning engine.

The brand of the future is a brand with a BRAIN. BRAIN is our AI-based decision-making engine that can anticipate what a customer needs next, so the next time we show up is at the right time with the right products and services. Instead of sending the same experience to everyone, BRAIN will show a personalized experience to an individual customer. The application of this technology is driving significant improvements to business outcomes. BRAIN makes us more relevant, helpful, and easy to engage with than ever before. This is just the start. The brand of the future will use its BRAIN beyond marketing, taking its decision-making to the enterprise at large, enabling faster, better decisions to be made across the enterprise's activities.

Spark is developing the ability for BRAIN to make recommendations on the prioritization of future mobile cell site locations, taking into account not just network performance and cost, but also household profiles, likely usage patterns, expected product demand, and user experience. BRAIN will support us to add coverage and capacity to the right places at the right time to best meet the demands of our customers. We're growing responsibly with a focus on data privacy, data security, governance, and AI ethics. The brand of the future has arrived, and it has an incredible brain. This capability creates the rails for us to extend beyond the areas we're currently operating. This is how we're thinking about this. I think I'll start with the data governance piece. It's a big topic. We've built AI ethics in from day one. Three years ago, we had privacy in mind.

We had the way we would govern AI models, understanding of transparency, and how we manage bias in these models, and we've built that in from the start, and we'll continue to scale that. This block represents the fact that there's continued investment as we scale across the business into that infrastructure and capability. Flipping to the other side of that, personalized marketing. I think we've spoken about that. You know who we are. That's the consumer and SME area. We're moving down into B2B. We have our first use cases in B2B now. We'll continue to scale those out in the coming years. Smart network and technology. Again, we have our first use cases in market connecting the supply side. The network, wireless broadband, for example, with demand side. What's the real-time demand for wireless broadband at a local level right now?

The ability to start to match in real time that demand creates significant improvements and outcomes. When we think about retail, we spoke about that this capability can drive next best action across all of our channels in real time. Again, we've got our first use cases already in market. In our call centers and our stores, next best action recommendations as applied by BRAIN when a customer comes in store or calls in. Finally, operations across the enterprise can be made more efficient through this capability. Our workforce management can be more efficient as well. That's BRAIN. We are doing a demo with Claire. We've got a BRAIN session after this. If you want to see a demo on BRAIN, hear a bit more, please come to that.

I'll now hand over to Tess.

Tessa Tierney
Product Director, Spark New Zealand

Nice one. Nailed it. Thank you, Matt. As Matt said, enabling capabilities like BRAIN, we're going to need to invest in future business systems. seven years ago, Spark completed a significant IT project to reengineer its systems, that has served us incredibly well. A lot has changed in our business and IT landscape in seven years. In the last three years, as you know, the world faced an unprecedented pandemic, which drastically accelerated digital transformation across nearly all industries. McKinsey research found that in Asia Pacific, the crisis accelerated the digitization of customer interactions by four years. Alongside this, the average share of products and services that are partially or fully digitized in our region has accelerated by 10 years.

Over the next four years, we want to invest in our future business systems that modernize our customer management capabilities and build a modern, open ecosystem architecture that will surpass our customer expectations of seamless experiences and support our future growth aspirations, particularly as an aggregator in the market. In keeping with our approach to capability delivery in the FY23 strategic plan, progress towards this goal will be delivered within the capital plan and tracked annually to ensure we release benefits for our people and our customers throughout the next three years. What does that mean Spark's going to look like in the future? As someone working in one of our stores, our hubs, or call centers, it means I use the same digital journeys that our customers do.

This allows me to act on customer insights in real time, ensuring I'm better able to anticipate and serve the needs of our customers as BRAIN surfaces up in front of me. As a customer walking into our store or logging into our app, my experience will be personalized. I'll be able to start and finish that journey or task anywhere, anytime, any place. As a B2B customer, as you've seen, our business customers are incredibly important to us going forward. Our Spark systems will integrate easily into my own IT systems, automating telco and IT fulfillment processes, and creating efficiency in my own operational teams.

As a partner of Spark will be my obvious choice in the market because they can seamlessly integrate with our systems, bundle product inventories together, and scale offerings, scale the partner offerings to our customers at pace, making it much easier to sell through Spark than to go direct. As an employee, you can innovate, prototype, and scale new ideas rapidly with confidence through automated development and security control processes. This is the Spark of the future we can't wait to create. We're now gonna take a 10-minute break. After the break, Heather Polglase, our People and Culture Director, will talk to us about our innovation culture going forward.

Heather Polglase
People and Culture Director, Spark New Zealand

Tena koutou katoa. Ko Heather Polglase toku ingoa. I'm the People and Culture Director here at Spark. I'm excited today to be talking to you about our innovation culture pillar, the third of our three enabler pillars.

The excitement around the vision for the future is predicated on the bet that as you'll see through the course of this morning and through what I'm about to share with you, it evolves on some very strong people and culture foundations that we've been building over the last few years. Also because when we look ahead, we believe that this strategy and our innovation culture will not only serve our own business needs, but equally serve the needs of our people into the future in Aotearoa more broadly. As Jolie shared earlier, Aotearoa is changing.

As someone who spends their life thinking about people and how to put the best into them to get the best out of them, I'm very aware that this means we need to think differently and continuously evolve and adapt how we best equip our people and our future talent to achieve into the future. We've taken what we've learned over the last three years and considered what our future is going to look like and require of us, and we've honed in on four key focus areas that you can see on the slide here. We believe that these four key areas of focus will build our enabling innovation culture and drive us to our top decile engagement ambition. That, in turn, fuels our strategy and our growth ambitions more broadly that we're sharing today.

The four key focus areas are advanced talent, skill development, and inclusive progression, future ways of working and insight-led people experiences, healthy lives and safe environments, and obviously, diverse and inclusive culture. Let's explore what these look like in a more practical way. I'm now gonna take you through the four streams in a little more detail, color, and context as to how they're going to fuel this top decile engagement innovation culture, that's a mouthful, and our strategic ambitions.

Starting with advanced talent development, talent, skill development and progression. This is all about our very purposeful responses to the inherent challenges of the labor market that we're all well-versed on, and also about taking matters more into our own hands for future skilling. There are two key compartments to this pillar of focus. The first is focused learning and development investment to really build those growth creation skills and mindsets that unlock innovation. Here, think test and learn capacity, prototyping, experimentation, customer experience, and design thinking skills. Alongside these and very complementary too, are the other focus areas of building skill for performance muscle and adaptability. As Jolie shared earlier, these have been critical to our success in an ever-changing operating environment and will continue to be highly relevant in a culture that's focusing on both growth and resilience.

The second part in this first stream is about committed new action for greater ownership by us of reskilling, progression, and talent pipeline development. We'll be doing this through building our very own internal skill development incubator. Think of this as Spark's mini university within Spark, where we'll feed our own and external talent of the future into the system of learning and development and intentionally develop and build out the hard-to-access skills that we need to increasingly focus on, and at the same time concurrently building a greater diverse talent pool for our future. The second area: future ways of working and insight-led people experiences. This is about supporting our own people with both flexibility, but also importantly, as Matt talked about, using data insight capabilities to really deeply understand and then curate leading people experiences for the future.

Think of this as building people experiences with the same rigor that we build our customer experiences today. We've already done some great work here, experimenting with our own people to see how building diverse teams, a bottom-up approach, and taking a CX design approach can actually create some differentiated experiences. Two examples of these are our Our Tomorrow culture and engagement program, which was built by our people for our people, and Whakapuāwai, our reinvigorated parental leave policy and guidelines. Healthy lives and safe environments. This is critical in order to support our people ahead through both continued physical health and safety excellence, but to go beyond this with environments and ways of working that really include well-being for that sustained performance muscle and growth that people need individually, as teams, and as a whole business.

Mahi Tahi, our wellbeing strategy that Jolie had on the slide earlier, has already seen us come a very long way in terms of looking after people in a more holistic way. However, we need to continue to uplift and integrate both physical and psychological wellness into our environments through the ways that we work with specialist support services, and most importantly, through skilling our leaders continuously to ensure we send each of our team members home every day the healthiest and highest performance version of themselves. Lastly, diverse and inclusive culture. As many of you will be aware, this has been a focus of ours for several years, and it requires ongoing continuous focus and broader ambition. Our success so far has been evident through the ability of us to set clear goals, standards, integrate them deeply into our business, and continuously track our performance against those.

We remain committed in this way to our 40/40/20 gender representation, as Jolie talked about, and also to reducing our median pay gap by 10 percentage points by 2025. Alongside this, we are developing Māori and Pasifika participation and progression goals, and we're establishing an ambition here to increase that participation by 5 percentage points by the end of the strategy period. The focus ahead is also about ensuring that diversity, equity, and inclusion is more than just a vertical pillar. It needs to be a horizontal enabler in our business. That means it's woven into how we attract, build experiences, develop, and retain our talent into the future. This elemental focus is also clearly integrated with our Māori strategy, Te Kōtuitu.

This means that we will continue, as we have started, to meaningfully weave our values and the principles of Te Tiriti into how we show up every day and how we achieve and partner through Spark. Leela is going to share more with you about Te Kōtuitu in the next session, so you'll be able to see not only how our ambitions here are integrated through innovation culture pillar, but also how our plans inside this pillar are such a pivotal feature of Toitū sustainability at Spark. Ngā mihi. I'll hand you to Leela.

Leela Gantman
Corporate Relations and Sustainability Director, Spark New Zealand

Tēnā koutou katoa. Ko Leela Gantman tōku ingoa. He kaihautū Whakawhiti Kōrero me Toitūtanga taku mahi ki Spark Aotearoa. Hello, everybody. My name is Leela Gantman, I am Spark's Corporate Relations and Sustainability Director. I'm here to share with you what our commitments are as part of this three-year strategy. Our commitment to sustainability and to our Māori strategy, Te Kōtuitu. That is where I'll start today. Ko te whāngai kia hāpai te ahurea ahurei o Aotearoa Whānui, ki te ao, ki anita. What that means is that we want our culture here at Spark to both reflect and uplift the unique cultural heritage that we have here in Aotearoa, New Zealand. That is what Te Koro Wai Tupu is designed to achieve.

What this strategy does is take a Tangata Whenua or indigenous worldview and weave that through our business, because we think that's how we can deliver this kind of long-term change. By integrating te ao Māori perspectives into the way we do business, our strategies, our values. One day it will just become how we do things around here and part of our DNA. Te Koro Wai Tupu is kaupapa Māori, so I wanna recognize the people who lead it in our business. Rikki Hollings, our Māori strategy lead. Rhonda Koroheke, who leads diversity and inclusion. We have a group of very talented Māori leaders, our kaiārahi, who guide and support this mahi day to day. There's four key focus areas that we have for the three years ahead. Continuing to build meaningful partnerships that deliver great outcomes for Māori.

Increasing representation in our sector and our business, as Heather just spoke to. Focusing on how we continue to uphold and reflect the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in the work that we do, being partnership, participation and protection. Continuing the work we've done at Spark for many years now to normalize the use of te reo and also tikanga Māori. That is obviously a very high-level view of what is a much more detailed plan, but hopefully it gives you an idea of our ambitions in this space. Te Koro Wai Tupu sits alongside Toitū sustainability at Spark, and here we have three key focus areas: supporting Aotearoa's economic transformation, championing digital equity, and also ensuring that we have a sustainable business as well. We chose those three focus areas because they have the highest materiality to Spark and to our stakeholders.

We've made significant progress since we started out in FY 21. In economic transformation, we have invested in the technologies and the infrastructure that our country and the businesses within it need to grow and become more productive and sustainable, including 5G and also the rural connectivity that we've invested in through the Rural Connectivity Group. They recently reached 416 cell sites in rural areas. At the end of last year, we launched new research into the role that technology can play, specifically in New Zealand, sector by sector, to help us mitigate and adapt to climate change. In digital equity, we continue to work at the coalface through Spark Foundation. They have a number of long-term community partnerships, people driving real change in our communities. As Jolie mentioned, we scaled Skinny Jump 150%.

When we look at all the things we do in this space beyond those two I've mentioned, it puts us in the top quartile of the World Benchmarking Alliance's Digital Inclusion Benchmark. Within our own business, we've done quite a bit of work to set our science-based emissions reduction target, which is now in place and approved, and we have a reduction and efficiency plan that sits alongside that. We've now integrated it into our financing, our funding. We've enhanced our ethical supply chain processes, including joining the Joint Audit Corporation, which allows us to more effectively audit our big global suppliers annually. We have a new human rights policy, which is now being integrated into the business. When you look at all of that progress, we measure ourselves using the Corporate Sustainability Assessment, which feeds the Dow Jones Sustainability Indices.

When we started, we were in the 13th percentile, we're now in the 78th. We're happy with the progress we're making, but there's always so much more to do. Over the next three years, what we've tried to do is mature our approach so that there's more transparency and accountability to you, our investors, and also our stakeholders more broadly. Let me talk you through that quickly now. The three focus areas are enduring. In economic transformation, we continue to see the biggest impact we can make is investing in those technologies and infrastructure that supports others to grow. We're gonna measure ourselves by delivering 5G standalone nationwide by the end of our strategy period. You heard Mark talk about converge technologies and the opportunities that that opens up to solve business problems. A lot of those business problems are connected to sustainability.

Even looking at IoT alone, in FY 2022, over half our revenues were connected to sustainability solutions. We know we need to continue investing to ensure that our connectivity is in more of the places that New Zealanders live and work, and we'll measure ourselves by having 5G rolled out to all towns with a population over 1,500 in the same time period. That research that I mentioned, we see it as our role to ensure that that is integrated into the country's climate change plans ahead. If you think of how the economy's gonna transform to become more high-tech and more high-productive, we need to ensure that transition is a just one. That's where digital equity comes in. We've done a lot of work on access in the past three years, ensuring people can access the internet.

We wanna up-weight our focus on skills and pathways, which is another big barrier to digital equity. That's where we're gonna focus Spark and Spark Foundation investment behind increasing Māori and Pasifika participation in our sector, because we believe if participation in our sector was equitable, that would be the ultimate expression of digital equity. As Heather mentioned just now, we're gonna measure that with an ambition to increase representation of Māori and Pasifika in our own business by five percentage points by the end of the strategy period. We'll continue to support low-income households to access the digital world by continuing to scale Skinny Jump with year-on-year growth. Continue to make our own products and services more accessible as well, and measuring ourself with maintaining that top quartile, benchmarking position.

In our own business, as you would've just heard from Heather, we have a significant work program to continue investing in our people, in their capabilities, diversity, and wellbeing. We have our 40/40/20 target, which we're committed to meeting, and we're gonna measure ourselves as well by having a top decile innovation culture by FY 2026. In the environmental space, our big focus is our science-based target. That's a 56% reduction in Scope one and two by 2030, and having 70% of our suppliers by spend with a science-aligned target by 2026. There's more work we can do in our business to drive more efficiency and reductions. Ultimately, when 80% of your emissions come from electricity, the key path to achieving this target is to decouple our growth from emissions growth.

What we're looking at with our energy provider is how can we use our procurement of electricity to support and incentivize the creation of new renewable energy capacity in Aotearoa. From a governance perspective, we continue to focus on improving and enhancing our ethical supply chain practices and conducting five local and global supplier audits every year. When we look at that as a whole, we believe it's an ambitious work plan, but it targets our focus and our investment in the areas where we can make the biggest difference. As always, we invite you not only to judge us on our aspirations, but on what we actually deliver. We look forward to sharing that progress with you in the years ahead. I'll now hand you over to Stef, who's gonna talk through our financial aspirations.

Stefan Knight
CFO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Leela. Good morning, everyone. my name's Stefan Knight. I'm Spark's CFO. I'm gonna talk to you today about how the strategy the team have outlined, will deliver long-term value and grow shareholder returns. There's five key pillars to our approach to value creation. First of all, revenue growth, an absolutely critical part of what we need to do. It tells us that the products and services we offer are really resonating with our customers and that we're remaining relevant. Operating efficiency, once again, absolutely critical.

For a business like ours, which has parts of the portfolio that are in, that are maturing, but also parts of the portfolio that are in growth, we always need to be driving efficiency so that we can take the cost out of those areas that are maturing and reinvest it back into growth, but also return some of it to the bottom line. We'll be investing for long-term growth, and I'll talk more about that shortly. The combination of revenue growth with the operating efficiency, the investments we make will drive free cash flow. When you combine that with disciplined capital management, that creates the opportunity for long-term dividend growth. What I'll do now is I'm gonna step through each of those pillars and elaborate on them a bit more so that you can understand exactly where those opportunities might lie.

Let's start with revenues. We're targeting revenue growth of 2%-4% over the period through to FY 2026. Looking first at wireless. As Tessa talked about earlier, our data usage for New Zealand customers is actually relatively low compared to international peers. We've seen growth of around 30% over the last few years. We expect that to continue, and that provides a really strong tailwind for this part of, for this part of our business. When you then overlay the fact that we're gonna be deploying 5G, faster speeds, more data usage, that creates the opportunity for ongoing upsell. As Mark talked about, there's a whole lot of new use cases that come out of 5G, things like that network slicing, private networks, and that creates a whole new revenue stream for us.

Some really exciting opportunities we see playing out in the wireless market. In SME and in business, as Tessa talked to, that opportunity to grow our share of the wallet by moving more into that IT services space, we have a really strong foundation there. That hub model gives us a really great starting place and something which we can build on. In the business space, data centers is a new and emerging area. We've made some good progress, but we see a lot more opportunity, and I'll talk to that shortly. The next three areas are what we're calling high-tech, and Mark's talked to those. We see really strong opportunities for new revenue streams in this space. Converged technologies are a great example.

This is really where we're bringing together 5G, data, AI to create those solutions for our customers that solve their real-world problems, and in turn, that opens up new revenue streams. In digital health, this is already a big business for us, but we see lots of ongoing opportunity here. The New Zealand healthcare sector is one of the least digitized and is going through significant reform. As a key partner to the sector, we see a lot of opportunity to continue to grow in this space. We then have platforms we've been investing in that provide both integration services but also electronic patient records. As those, as those grow further, that will create new revenue streams. When combined with Internet of Medical Things, as Mark talked to, things like the monitoring of patient beds or defibrillators, once again, new revenue streams in that space.

Claire's talked to digital identity, which is a new and quite an exciting place for us to be operating. Collectively, these five areas, we believe, will drive growth in our revenues that will more than offset the declines in the other parts of the business. That will support that 2%-4% per annum revenue growth target. If we now look at our operating efficiency, we're targeting gross cost reductions of NZD 125 million-NZD 175 million by FY 2026. It comes from four main areas. Firstly, around simplifying what we do. As I said, some of our products mature, things like the PSTN we've announced we're exiting, some of our legacy managed data products, 3G. The exit of those products means we can reduce our support and our maintenance costs and redeploy those funds.

We're also looking to standardize and simplify the number of products we offer, so that we have all parts of the business using the same products and the same platforms, once again, reducing the cost to support them. There's opportunities to automate our core services, things like virtual, telco cloud, but also our network deployment. A good example here is, as we deploy network, we require less truck rolls because more configuration can be done from central locations. That's both a good thing for our cost base, but also for our people, because our people actually get to do higher value activity and spend less time on the lower value manual type work. Digitizing our customer experiences.

We know that We've seen strong growth in the interactions through digital channels, and we think there's more we can do here. Really developing both the app, the website, and making those journeys best in class will help drive more interactions into cheaper, and more efficient digital channels. Lastly, the creation of owners' economics. This is very closely linked to our capital investment profile. The investment we've been making in 5G, that will ultimately lower our cost per gigabyte. Now, if you think about a world where customers are using more data, driving down the cost per gig is a really essential part of what we do. We've been investing in our networks, so access and aggregation as Mark talked to.

What ultimately that is about is deploying more fiber, which enables us to use more of our own network and lower our input costs. Then obviously with the rollout of 5G, that creates the opportunity for us to grow our wireless broadband base, currently 29%, getting close to that 30 mark, up towards 35%. Once again, that will lower our input costs, which is a significant driver of value for us. As I said at the start, collectively, those activities, we see that will drive NZD 125 million-NZD 175 million of gross cost reduction by FY26. The third pillar of value creation is investing for growth. As you know, we've set aside NZD 350 million to generate incremental growth opportunities.

What we've done here is laid out where we expect to spend those proceeds with those funds. NZD 250 million-NZD 300 million of that, we're going to invest into data centers. We see the data center play as being quite different to cloud. It's much more about long-term customer relationships with long-term secure returns. We expect to deliver an incremental 13-17 megawatts of additional capacity out of that funding, and about 20% of that will also be used to buy additional land to give us greater choice about where those sites can be. We're targeting a return of investment on that of around that 9%-10% mark, and we expect the revenues to come online, obviously, as the sites complete. A good example is Takanini. We've got 11 megawatts that comes online in June of this year.

We'll see a small amount of revenue at the end of FY 2023, but that will really start to build into FY 2024. If you look at the additional 13-17 megawatts that we've announced here, well, that actually still requires some time. We've got to go out and we've got to build those sites. We're not expecting that to come online really until FY 2026. We've also allocated NZD 40 million-NZD 60 million for investment in mobile and edge technologies. We're targeting 9%-10% returns in this space, and we see revenues coming on from late FY 2025, but building into FY 2026.

If that's the capital that we've allocated from the telco proceeds, then our underlying CapEx, we expect to remain in a fairly consistent position with we've been operating previously, which is in that 10%-11% CapEx to sales ratio. That 10%-11% will cover both our maintenance CapEx and our growth CapEx. Once the telco proceeds have been invested, we would expect our long run CapEx to return back and sit in that envelope. Obviously, we'll sit higher while we invest the telco proceeds. Looking at the fourth pillar of our value creation is our capital management framework. We laid this out at our full year result. It hasn't changed since that point in time, and it still focuses on maximizing shareholder value by growing dividends over time, by investing for growth and maintaining financial strength and flexibility.

I'll just step through each of those areas just to elaborate a bit more. The investments we make will obviously be aligned to this framework. Our strategy maximizes shareholder value by growing revenue, driving operating efficiency, growing EBITDA, and that in turn, will grow free cash flow and dividends. We're investing for growth. We've prioritized our capital to make sure that it supports the strategy that we've outlined today, but we've also got incremental investment to generate incremental returns. We'll continue to evaluate M&A opportunities as they arise. We've laid out here some criteria for you just so that you can see how we think about them. They're consistent with our capital management framework. We're targeting investments that would be EPS accretive over time, that provide new or enhanced capabilities, accelerate growth in existing businesses or open new opportunities as well.

We're committed to an investment-grade credit rating. As a result, we'll continue to operate the business within the parameters of the A- and net debt to EBITDA of 1.7 times. How does that all come together? What we've laid out here is our aspirations for FY 2026, which we'll continue to update you on as we go. As I said, top-line revenue growth of 2%-4% per annum. We're looking at NZD 100 million-NZD 150 million of revenue growth to come from those new high-tech solutions by FY 2026. We're targeting growth in EBITDA, and we're looking for a low- to mid-single-digit EBITDA growth CAGR out to FY 2026, which is driven through a combination of the revenue growth I've talked about, but the ongoing operating efficiencies we'll drive.

Our CapEx stays in that 10%-11% of revenues with obviously then the additional NZD 350 million sitting on top of that, but reverting back to that afterwards. A result of those brings together free cash flow, where we're targeting growth of 10% by FY 2026. The growth in free cash flow creates the opportunities to grow the dividend over time and therefore deliver top-decile shareholder returns. That gives you a flavor for the financials and how the strategy will deliver against that, and I'll now hand back to Jolie. Thank you.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Steph. Trust the presentations today have given you a little bit more insight into not only our ambitions for the next three years, but also the plans that sit behind and how we're gonna execute that, and the financial ambitions we have to match that. When we stand back, our aspiration for FY 26 for Spark is to be digital and data-driven everywhere, the home of those high-tech solutions, to have our digital infrastructure fueling growth in our key markets, and to be an innovative, diverse, and sustainable business. If we've achieved that, we'll have highly engaged customers and people, profitable growth, and top-decile shareholder returns. When you think about the value proposition for investing in Spark, our largest market of mobile has really strong tailwinds with increasing customer demand for data.

We have a clear plan for further revenue growth in our high-tech segments and also in data centers. Competitive advantage in our data insight capability, and Matt's talked to you about that in terms of the BRAIN, and the investments we're making in resilient digital infrastructure. We've demonstrated over many years that we have a very strong cost control focus, which also helps us deliver those high EBITDA margins. We've effectively managed our portfolio to grow shareholder returns and to invest in growth. We've achieved sustainable EBITDA and free cash flow growth, which has supported a rising dividend over time. Now, look, we've delivered all of this without wavering from our purpose, which is to help all of New Zealand win big in a digital world, and by consistently showing up for our customers and our shareholders by doing what we say we will.

With that is the plan that we have in place, and we're now going to move to Q&A. Just wanna remind you about the Q&A protocol. We'll be taking questions from the floor first, and then we're gonna move to those joining us virtually. For those joining online, you can submit your questions via the Q&A box in the webcast portal. We request that you include your name when submitting your question, and the questions online will be read out and responded to during the Q&A session. For anyone who's participating on the phone, please press star one to queue for a question. You'll be introduced at the appropriate time during the Q&A session. With that, we're now gonna have a short break and set up the stage for Q&A. Thank you.

Okay, thank you, everyone. We're now gonna open to questions from the floor. Please put your hand up, and I think one of the team will come and bring a microphone. Harry.

Speaker 17

Just, first one on the growth investment. Obviously not surprising that it's heavily weighted to data infrastructure. Could you just give a little bit of, I guess, visibility into what you're thinking in terms of timing for that spend there, and also what the gating items are? I mean, Are you planning on much spec build or will it be backed by long-term contracts?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think if you break that question to a number of different parts, the first piece around, if you look at the expansion we've already done in Takanini, that's 100% contracted already. As we look at, further expansion, we'll be looking at contractual commitments alongside that.

Speaker 17

Yep.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

there's a component obviously though of land acquisition and other spaces that we wanna make sure we're ahead of. In terms of the timeframes, we see Takanini, the first, expansion come online in mid 2023, so in the next few months. From there, further expansions will be over that period of time through to 2026, I think.

Speaker 17

Okay.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

The, further expansion beyond that.

Speaker 17

You're investing sort of through the period?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yes, that's right. If your question's more around the cash flow in terms of how that investment each year will set out, what that looks like, but it will be throughout the period of that time.

Speaker 17

Yeah. Great. Just on, I guess, just at a high level, you know, you've covered off, I guess your focus and some high-level financial sort of, metrics. You know, I guess if we sort of look at it, the voice headwinds a lot smaller now than it was, say, three years ago. You're investing sort of 25%-30% over and above your ordinary envelope. You know, you've got sort of incremental fixed wireless still. You know, I guess there's some cost benefit from Spark. There's a level of maturity in some of your future area, future growth initiatives that you may start to leverage off. Where are sort of the key areas, you know, where you're sort of fighting?

You haven't provided that sort of mix in terms of where you sort of see some contraction. You know.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah.

Speaker 17

I'm sort of thinking non-infrastructure cloud, for example. What's the outlook for that over the next few years?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. Do you wanna touch on this?

Stefan Knight
CFO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah, sure. I think there's a couple of areas where you would expect to see that. We know the broadband market is very competitive, and while we're seeing it stabilize, it's still gonna be under a level of pressure, I would imagine, or we know. The cloud market is the next one. In private cloud, we have seen that the revenue was down in the half, and that's a market that we expect to be continuing to be quite competitive. As a result, I think you'll see pressure in that private cloud space for a while. We're not anticipating that that trend slows.

Instead, what the way we think about that is, private cloud becomes a shift from a growth business to a more mature business, and therefore we start to manage it for margin. We start adjusting our cost profile accordingly and shifting our CapEx into then things like data centers, as we talked about.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

At the same time, investing in the hybrid cloud, which Mark talked about.

Stefan Knight
CFO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

-in terms of the orchestration, the new product innovation. So a better cost base associated, but also a product that better serves customer needs ahead.

Stefan Knight
CFO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah.

Speaker 17

Last one from me. I mean, obviously one of the dominant features of the last three-year period was the tower transaction. Just wondering whether, you know, in terms of there's any consideration of co-investment into some of those other asset classes that you previously identified in Class two and three. Also, I guess, second to that, just within the three-year plan period ahead, whether any intention that, you know, maybe data center moves into either Classification two or three.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Maybe to break that into the few questions that it was. In terms of the other asset classes, we have looked at those and assessed. When you look at them individually, we don't see any that in their own right are significant enough to want to break out. For example, if you look across the Tasman, Telstra have had sort of InfraCo. They own a lot more of their fiber, et cetera, in their own right on a scale than we do here. On the second part of that question around data centers, we see data centers as a high-growth market ahead, where we can get a good return. Obviously, over time, we will always continue to assess, are we the right owner standalone, or would we have a combination of ownership within that?

We don't have anything to share on that right now.

Speaker 17

Thank you.

Aaron Ibbotson
Director and Senior Analyst, Forsyth Barr

Thank you. Hi, Julie.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Hi, Aaron.

Aaron Ibbotson
Director and Senior Analyst, Forsyth Barr

Hi, Stefan. It's Aaron here from Forsyth Barr. A couple of questions. One, just to follow up, I guess broader question on Arie's question. You know, I think it counted to 108 times that you mentioned growth in your presentation. Your essential scenario of 2%-4% is sort of very similar to RBNZ's central scenario for CPI over the next three years. You know, if you're thinking about sort of real growth in telco, and I guess across the ditch in Australia and more broadly, there's been a general talk about telco sort of moving away from deflationary pricing and potentially being even CPI plus, you've got some really interesting growth initiatives that you've highlighted today, but sort of yet the output is, you know, barely any real growth.

If you think slightly longer than maybe in the 26, you know, do you see a potential that we will start to see some real growth? Or is, you know, telco still telco, and we should sort of assume that largely sticking with inflationary growth overall?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think, when you look at the 5G, you start to get towards standalone, and that's what we're talking about at the sort of the latter part of the strategy. I think this will be the first generation that I do think you can look at growth beyond, as you say, beyond inflation, both from a revenue perspective and also looking at how we look at pricing review as well ahead. I think Tessa touched on when she was talking around the annual price review, and bringing that more into a place in terms of how we assess the value that we're giving to customers, but also the opportunity to grow beyond that. In terms of the new businesses that we're scaling, we've obviously talked about MATTR and digital identity.

That's in the early stages as the market commercializes, but that's an opportunity as we look past that FY 2026 for greater growth opportunity there as well. I don't know if there's anything else.

Stefan Knight
CFO, Spark New Zealand

The only thing I'd add to that would be data centers, obviously.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah.

Stefan Knight
CFO, Spark New Zealand

You know, while the big investments, they take a period of time. We see Takanini, the 11 MW there come online. It doesn't come online at 100% utilization from day one. It takes a number of years to build. If you think about the investments we're making now, they actually the additional NZD 250 million-NZD 300 million, that won't even be ready till FY 2026. That could be the growth catalyst that gives that next wave opportunity kind of out in that longer term horizon, but not necessarily in that current three-year window.

Aaron Ibbotson
Director and Senior Analyst, Forsyth Barr

Thank you. Very clear. I had a question for Claire, just on MATTR. Two questions, if I may. First of all, you provided one of few, but a really interesting number, on the first part of the presentation. That $28 billion number you put out there, is there any chance you wanna share with us what your hopes for MATTR are when it comes to what proportion of that you could capture or at least address? Secondly, I think one of your first sentences was that you were independent, part of Spark. I'm just curious if you'd be willing to elaborate a little bit of what that means and what the benefits of working under the Spark umbrella is versus standalone, if you have experience from that.

Thank you.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

On the first question, I'll just pick that up.

Aaron Ibbotson
Director and Senior Analyst, Forsyth Barr

Okay.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

We haven't disclosed separately, obviously, the MATTR revenues. As it scales and becomes a bigger part of our business, we'd look to do that like we've done with other businesses over time. We don't have an answer to that. What I would say, though, is MATTR is an international business, export services, much greater scale and opportunity across a number of different sectors that are being disrupted right now. It creates the opportunity for greater growth than you would see if it was just onshore. But I'll then hand to Claire to answer the second part of that question.

Claire Barber
CEO, MATTR

Standalone for us has been super helpful with the full support of Spark. I think one of the things to recognize is when you start a business like MATTR, you're working in deep tech, you're doing a lot of R&D, and your cycles are quite different from an operating business of the size and scale of Spark. We've had the freedom to explore the territory at a technology level, and that's borne fruit. You know, over that period of time, we've established a reputation in the global standards community, and that's led to our first customers, who weren't actually in New Zealand at all. Our businesses are quite different, but in many ways also very complementary.

We've had the benefits of a really strong backer that we're very grateful for from day one, which has given us the freedom to do the work that we've set out to do. I personally am really delighted with where we've got to in the time that we've had so far. I'm very excited about what's gonna come next.

Aaron Ibbotson
Director and Senior Analyst, Forsyth Barr

Thank you. I had one final question just on the gross cost reductions. You know, NZD 125 million-NZD 175 million, call it NZD 50 million a year, 2% of your cost base. That sounds sort of like business as usual, if I'm totally honest. You know, most corporate sort of cost on a like-for-like basis, general productivity gains. Are you trying to say something else? You know, if I look at your guidance of EBITDA and revenues, it looks like your costs are gonna increase by, you know, let's call it NZD 50 million-NZD 60 million a year. Is this something we're gonna be able to follow? Is it a specific cost initiative, or is it just highlighting that you're continuing to be focused on costs? Thank you.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Steve.

Claire Barber
CEO, MATTR

Yeah.

Stefan Knight
CFO, Spark New Zealand

What it's picking up is the fact that cost and operating efficiency is an important part of our operation, as I mentioned earlier. Parts of our business mature. We have to be continually working at our cost base so that we can reinvest into other areas. The way we actually operate it is we're very specific and quite detailed about where that NZD 125 million-NZD 175 million sits. We go through kind of product by product, we take it out of or we allocate it to the very specific areas. We have a detailed program which drives those reductions on an ongoing basis. I think that's probably the best way you should think about it.

Aaron Ibbotson
Director and Senior Analyst, Forsyth Barr

Thanks.

Phil Campbell )
Equity Analyst, UBS Securities

Phil Campbell from UBS. Jolie, I was just wondering if you could give us a bit of an update on where we are in terms of the 5G kind of spectrum negotiations with the government and the, and the commitments. The second question to that is just when we start launching kind of 5G more aggressively, like is there any kind of capacity issues we need to think about, or we just have so much spectrum in New Zealand per pop that it's not really gonna be such a major issue?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

To break it into the two parts, in terms of the spectrum allocation discussions, we are coming to the end of that process and are very close. Of course, until it's, till it's done, I cannot give you that final sign-off, but I would think it's more in months, weeks, rather than in any length of time beyond that. The second question around spectrum in New Zealand, we continue to look at the different spectrums that will be most applicable for us ahead with 5G. We still obviously haven't had millimeter wave yet. 600 megahertz we think is also helpful for us in rural 'cause of the topography of New Zealand. They're the ones that we next expect to see to come up.

As a general rule, when you look at New Zealand versus other countries, we are more spectrum rich than most are, we don't have a lack of spectrum in terms of that. I don't know, Mark, if there's anything else you'd say.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

No, I think that's right. The other thing with coming out of 3G as well, we've got the ability to refarm our 850 spectrum as well. From a capacity perspective, no, we don't have any concerns around 5G. We constantly densify our network specifically for that reason, and 5G will be one of the things that we'll densify over time as well.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay, there's no more questions from the... Oh, sorry. Oliver.

Oliver Mander
CEO, New Zealand Shareholders' Association

Hi. Yes, Oliver Mander from the NZSA. It's probably a question for Claire, and it's probably a bit of a follow-up for the earlier question. Look, it's the, the cyber identity market globally is extremely fragmented, and there's probably quite a lot of ambiguity still in that market, as I'm sure you're much more aware than I am. Just from almost a cultural perspective, I guess I'm curious to see how Spark, as a more mature organization within New Zealand certainly is able to cope with that ongoing incubation of MATTR's development, what risks might that pose for investors down the track in terms of additional unexpected CapEx or investment requirements?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Oliver. Claire I'll leave that to you.

Claire Barber
CEO, MATTR

Look, I think so far we've been very considered in how we've placed the investments that we've placed. As I said when we talked earlier, we started with just six of us, four years ago. We continue to be very mindful that the market itself is still evolving. We know this because we're involved at the very fabric level itself in designing the protocols and standards that we're building on top of. In all these things, timing is a great thing, and we believe that we are well-paced to meet the market as it starts to evolve. We don't want to be so far ahead of it that the technologies that we invest in today are out of date before we reach market.

I think the pace that we've got at the moment is entirely appropriate for the level of market maturity. I believe that we can take a leadership position and have done so to date. I'm confident that we will sustain that leadership position as the market starts to form and be ready to capture a share of it. I think to date our needs have been well met, and we appreciate that support from Spark.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think the other thing to say is a lot of the focus that Claire has done is on interoperability, so between different forms of technology, how this creates a bridge, and I think you touched on that in your presentation. Which makes it more applicable across a number of different, cases. That also helps in terms of, to your earlier part of the point around there's a number of competitors in this space. Are they all doing the same thing? I think one of the key differentiators is probably the interoperability.

Claire Barber
CEO, MATTR

Yeah, that's true. I think, you know, one of the things you think about when you try and design for change on scale is how do you get people to start adopting. You can take the perspective that we'll build a utopian future, and everybody's going to magically migrate into it. That's not the way I grew up. It's not my technology heritage. As a team, I think we've been very pragmatic in thinking those issues through. Having had a lot of years of enterprise experience ourselves, we know that people don't just abandon all of their existing investments to jump into the future. We've built bridges.

One of them, for those who are more technology-minded, is called the OpenID for Verifiable Credential Issuance Specification at the OpenID Foundation, which has just in actual fact been noted in the EU Digital Identity Architectural Reference Framework as the, as the issuance protocol that they will be advocating for moving forward. By building these bridges into existing systems of record that can be adopted at scale by governments and enterprises, we think that we're well-positioned to support the market in that regard. You know, we've been involved in that work from its very outset, so we're right in the middle of it, as they say.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay. Oh. Wade, last one.

Phil Campbell )
Equity Analyst, UBS Securities

I'm just interested in the addressable market for the wireless broadband and the package. You talked about it going to 35%. How should we view that sort of longer term, you know, given the changing data use versus sort of changing tech?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. Tess, do you wanna pick that up?

Tessa Tierney
Product Director, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. I think as we, as we look out to the 35% as a first pass. There's a couple of key things that we're really confident in driving that. The first one, of course, is 5G and the opportunity that will bring to addressable market and what that looks like over time. The second, we've talked a lot today about our data capability, and that's our ability to understand those households that are the right fit for wireless broadband moving forward, and target them appropriately and efficiently, with the offers that come.

I think also when we look out to, you know, for New Zealand at the moment, going through one of those once in a generation technology change-outs with the retirement of copper, that gives us an opportunity to look out to say actually, as people make the decision or are forced to make the decision over time, of what technology to do next to set their home up for a modern future, wireless becomes in that consideration set quite front and center. Both across its capabilities as we move into standalone from an addressable market point of view and those kind of fiber-like experiences, 700 megabits down, also into those homes that actually it's more about just checking my emails over the internet. That gives us confidence around that, 35%.

I think out beyond that, we wouldn't be in a position to say yet until we understand, you know, the competitive market dynamics, how they roll out over the next three years.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think also as you think ahead around the technology that will come, Mark touched on briefly, 6G is probably 2030, so a while away, but every new form of, or new generation has led to greater capacity. To the point of exponential growth in data, but exponential sort of shift in what we can do with that. I think that will also then open that opportunity around addressable base as well. We've sort of got to get there to see that a little bit more. We'll now perhaps. Oh, maybe two more. Then we're gonna-

Speaker 18

Hi, team.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Go to the phone.

Speaker 18

Casey here from NZ Funds. I was just hoping if you could please give some color around your 5G monetization strategy. You mentioned experience-based consumption plans, just some color around what that could look like and how that could drive ARPU uplift.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah, sure. Tess, you want that?

Tessa Tierney
Product Director, Spark New Zealand

Yeah, sure. Yes, e-experience based, if you think about in the context of applications like gaming, what does that look like for customers moving forward? What type of experience will they want, and how do we monetize that as they start to really utilize that low latency, that ping that will come with 5G standalone in particular. I think there are opportunities for us there. Out beyond that, if you think about entertainment more broadly, actually, where are the opportunities? The same as there was with 4G when you started to see more entertainment or over-the-top applications really drive new use cases in market. What's our opportunity to build that in going forward?

You know, annual price reviews allow us to take into consideration both the CPI considerations, but also balance that with our customers' cost pressures they might see in inflation environments, but help us set a marker for that sustainable business investment going forward. Of course, you've got wireless broadband, the natural monetization opportunity we have with that. The enterprise market. We've talked a lot today around those opportunities that 5G will bring into the enterprise market, particularly around converged technologies. There's a number of avenues for us where we see potential in 5G monetization.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay. Phil, did I see your hand up? Last one from the floor, and then we'll go to the phone.

Phil Campbell )
Equity Analyst, UBS Securities

Yeah, maybe just a follow-up one for Tess on the 5G wireless broadband again. I suppose the other factor feeding into that potentially the 35% is obviously you're seeing, you know, fiber prices at the retail level continue to rise. I'd just be interested in your views in terms of, you know, if that gap widens versus 5G wireless broadband, you know, what is that in terms of a driver for that 35% target?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. You take that or I can.

Tessa Tierney
Product Director, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. Go, you go once.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think, what you're putting out there is sort of a regulated cost input increase every year in terms of those fiber input prices. In wireless, we own the mobile network, and we own the economics that go around that, so it gives us options to think around both across our multi-brand but also in our Spark wireless broadband about how we incentivize customers and put great offers in front of them. There's an opportunity there within it, in this area to monetize more-

Phil Campbell )
Equity Analyst, UBS Securities

Yeah.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Which is really what you're indicating. Because each year that it happens, the delta grows even further.

Tessa Tierney
Product Director, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. I think we talked in, when I spoke earlier, just those owners economic give us the ability to place more value back in the hands of the consumers. It's definitely a tailwind for us.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

We will now go to the phone for any questions.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Kane Hannon with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hey, guys. Thanks for the presentations this morning. Maybe just around the incremental DC investment, I mean, just as a starting point, I mean, I hope, you know, could you sort of remind me, I suppose, why Spark has the right to play in the data center space? I mean, globally, this is something that's normally done by the carrier neutral operators or by the, you know, the clouds themselves. Just keen to hear your thoughts around why Spark has a right to play here, whether that's something specific to the New Zealand market or, you know, just any thoughts would be helpful?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I guess from our perspective, we have 16 data centers. We have been in this market for a long period of time. We established ourselves as the leader in this market. Obviously, it is changing as we see more hyperscalers come onshore, that's an opportunity for us to partner with them. We also have a lot of the services that go into that, say whether from a connectivity point of view that Mark touched on, we have a product level. We have a skill and capability in this area. We have customer relationships within this area, we also have partnerships too with the hyperscalers. From our perspective, this is a form of digital infrastructure that we have every right to play in and be successful in. Mark, I don't know if there's anything else you wanted to.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

I think you've covered it. I mean, the other thing also is that we've operate 35 exchanges as well. To Jolie 's point, we've also got that added value of understanding how exchanges work and also how data centers work.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yep, perfect. just the 9%-10% ROI on that, you know, that data center investment? Can you remind me how you define returns, you know, for that investment? Then just interested in how you see those returns evolving over time, you know, as the New Zealand market scales up. You know, also seeing NEXTDC, Microsoft acquiring land. It's reasonable to think there's gonna be a fair bit of supply coming online over time, and typically we see that drive returns down in DC land.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Kane. From a returns perspective, clearly we look at the incremental returns that those data centers generate on a effectively post-tax basis. Then we look at the invested capital that goes in to support that. And that's where we're targeting that 9%-10%. The second part of your question, I believe, was what's the changing dynamic of the market?

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

How that return profile evolves.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

How that return-.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

How that return evolves over time as the market scales.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

I mean, I think the thing you've got to remember is that with these contracts, they are very long-term. If you look at, for example, the Takanini one that's due to complete in June, is as we've mentioned previously, I think it's 85% contracted, 100% committed. Those returns are locked down over that period. You know, these are 10-year plus returns. We're going into them with a high degree of certainty as to what those return profiles will be.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah, appreciate that. I suppose if I think about, obviously you've got some healthy financial aspirations at the group level today.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Mm-hmm.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

I mean, how do you think the group returns trend over the three-year period, you know, given there's that upfront data center CapEx coming on, but I suppose the earnings associated with that sound quite long dated, you know, FY 2026, FY 2027. I mean, do you think you'll grow group returns over that period?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think when you think about the investments we've already made, we've got Takanini comes online pretty much at the start of FY 2024, you'll see that. The other areas we've already been investing in things like MATTR for a period of time, three-four years. We're seeing that come into commercialization. If we look at the high-tech solutions, again, we've been working with customers on that. Again, this is stuff that is very close to market ready, if not already in market. They're all pieces of the, you know, the key pieces of revenue growth that are coming. While there are some lumpier investments, they pretty much are coming online relatively quickly over the next three years. And they'll be there for the longer term.

I mean, the thing to remember with this, we're investing in digital infrastructure that is resilient and will help to power, I guess, the data growth that we're going to see in this country over a number of years.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

We think we're on the right side of that in terms of the investments we're making.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Sorry. What, what sort of utilization rates do you assume in that 26 number, you know, for that incremental, data center investment, the 13-17 megawatts?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think if you go back to the. It's committed contracted.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Yeah.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

We have our revenue terms laid out, it's not like we're looking to then go and sell it to, people that, past the time of being built. In terms of expanding and building on those, they'll be with committed contractual, and therefore, utilization grows over that period associated with that.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Does that answer that?

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, so it makes sense in terms of being committed and utilized. I'm just trying to work out, you know, so you'll build the 13-17 MW by FY 2027, or FY 2026, but it's not necessarily all billing in FY 2026.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

No, you're right. The full capacity won't be billing in year one. No, that's right. It builds over a period of time, but we have a good understanding of that contracted return profile, and therefore we're comfortable with what that looks like from a.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

I think if you look at Why don't we take it away.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Yeah, sure.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Come back to you and, offline and with a bit more detail with you.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Got it.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay? Thanks, Kane.

Kane Hannan
Deputy Head of Equity Research and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from Brian Hahn, a private investor. Please go ahead.

Brian Hahn
Shareholder, Private Investor

Oh, hi. Or morning. Just two questions, if I may. My first question is, in cloud, do you have a sense as to the market size of public versus private cloud? I know you guys are shifting to a hybrid cloud model, but just out of interest, does one need to be in public cloud to make inroads into private cloud? Can a company focus just on private clouds? Sorry, I don't know how many times I said cloud in that question.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. I think just to break some things, you can be in all forms of public and private cloud. One of them, in private cloud, you're more likely to own your in-infrastructure. Not always, but you can do. That means that you've got higher returns, but you also have the capital invested. In public cloud, you don't tend to own the infrastructure, but it's a lower margin. When we look at what customers are doing in terms of their workloads and the things that they wanna do with it's important that you offer all of those services. If you're to think about New Zealand and where we are right now, private cloud would have played a bigger part onshore. Remembering, of course, that public cloud hasn't really existed onshore. You're generally going over to a Sydney region or somewhere like that.

The opportunity hits, it's more in that hybrid, which is allowing customers to be able to move workloads between different cloud forms based on what their needs are, their security needs, their latency needs. What we're looking to do, if you break it into the two parts, one's around our product and what we offer in terms of the cloud products across that hybrid, and the other's around the data center play, which is much more around a, more akin to like a property investment play.

Brian Hahn
Shareholder, Private Investor

Okay. Gotcha. My second question is, in cybersecurity, has Spark looked at how long you guys keep customer records and how often you destroy them in case the systems get hacked into. My apologies for being ignorant here, but do changes in customer record keeping impinge in any way on your, you know, data-driven personalization strategy?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. Why don't we break that into. There's a few questions in that question. We might start with just a journal on our cybersecurity and where we're at, Mark, and then we might head over.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. As I talked about in my presentation with cybersecurity, we've got a large team of 180 subject matter experts in cybersecurity. We're constantly looking for global threats and how we mitigate those global threats. Everything we do from a design, build, and operate perspective goes. We put security across all of those phases to make sure that we take security right at the forefront of our business. From that perspective, we think we're well-versed in how we protect.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Protect

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

... customer data.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. Maybe, Matt, do you wanna talk to-

Matt Bain
Marketing Director, Spark New Zealand

I think the first part, there's two parts to this.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah.

Matt Bain
Marketing Director, Spark New Zealand

There's two parts to the second question. The first one is around the data we keep and how we store it, and how long we store it for. I think for us, what we're seeing is where we have the right technology and capability, we can really improve the customer experience by using the data that customers provide us. We've been very careful to ensure that our privacy policy is explicit about what we, data we collect and keep and use. We think that as long as we're ahead of the curve on this, i.e., we're building the guidelines and we've got privacy built into our processes and systems and use the data responsibly, customers will be happy to continue to share it with us because they see the benefit.

There's a lot of different data, so we can't probably go into every individual data point and type and how long we keep it for, but we only hold what's necessary. When we look at our AI models, for example, we will delete data which is not necessary. We don't hold gender data 'cause we know that, A, we don't need it, and B, it can create bias. We have a very clear set of guidelines and policies on there, and we have a team that watch it quite closely. Anything to add, Melissa?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Anything to add to that, Melissa?

Matt Bain
Marketing Director, Spark New Zealand

And Melissa also has a digital trust team, which we've stood up three years ago to ensure that we, you know, we built the pipeline for this early on, as I mentioned in the, in my presentation. Yeah, hope that answers the question.

Brian Hahn
Shareholder, Private Investor

I think that's very useful. when you say you have I think it's 180 people working in the team, are most of them hackers?

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

No. it's.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Some have a background.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

No. No. What we talk about the 180, it's across our business. We've got things like security operations center, which looks 24/7 at the things like DDoS attacks. We've got people who work in security response. We've got people who work in governance. We've got people who work in security infrastructure. They're all in different parts of the business.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Really, when you stand back and look at kind of the threats that have happened around data breaches and looking at that, we spend a lot of time looking at what's happened, how did it happen, what could we learn from that. This is a constantly evolving space. There isn't a one solution for this. You need to keep up with that. That means our security teams are very connected to the international market, 'cause often these things happen offshore first before they happen here, and also with CERT and GCSB as well. We do quite a bit of work across that. We take our role very seriously around how we manage data minimization and also how we protect and detect if there is anything happening.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. We have a framework in place. We also have, we use obviously frameworks, global frameworks to make sure we're managing to the best we can. The other key thing, just to Jolie's point, you know, if you look at the international incidents that are happening, we take those in and make sure that we've got the right mitigations in place to protect, 'cause they're all quite different in construct. The way we think about it is every single thing that we see globally, we bring into our business, and we push that up through governance as well to make sure that we give both executives and board an understanding of what's going on from a global perspective as well.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay. Oh, no, I won't be. One more on phone question. Okay.

Operator

Your next question comes from Ian Martin with Martin Advisory. Please go ahead.

Ian Martin
Equity Analyst, New Street Research

Thanks. Yeah, from New Street Research, actually. Just a bit further on the cloud question. Obviously, you've noted that there's competitive pressures there that have impacted revenue and margin and so on. Since the half year result, AWS announced, I think a $7.5 billion investment in cloud infrastructure in New Zealand, you know, which is massive compared to the amounts you're investing in extra data centers. They've also announced the local zone concept for Auckland, which means they wanna play in edge services and, you know, possibly private LTE and so on. I know that's in partnership or Spark's got some partnership role-

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yes

Ian Martin
Equity Analyst, New Street Research

in that as well. The level of investment they've got is massive, and clearly they need to get some kind of return on that investment. I just wonder how you characterize that. I think someone mentioned, you know, the maturity, managing this as a mature business when it looks like it's going to a, you know, another level.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think so just to go back to the AWS investment, that was announced a few years ago, the NZD 7.5 billion. over a period of time.

Ian Martin
Equity Analyst, New Street Research

Yeah

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

I think it takes into account all of the things they're doing in this country. I'm not sure that it's all straight into data centers, would be my first thing I'd say. They are partnering locally too with different providers. The capacity we're seeing come onshore is a combination, I think, of what will be locally here, but also New Zealand has a lot of good credentials around renewables, trusted business environment, et cetera, potentially to be resilient for beyond just this market here as well. We are very wise to the what's happening onshore. We also look across at Australia and see the type of growth that's happening there. I think it was 500 megawatts in New South Wales alone.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

announced last year. We're focused on that. As I said, when we're investing, we're investing with contracted commitments. We're clear about the returns we're getting, and we're working with different partners to make sure that we are leveraging the assets that we have there with that.

Ian Martin
Equity Analyst, New Street Research

Can I just ask as well, back in January, you did a proof of concept for standalone 5G, and when you announced that, I saw the words, cloud native, proof of concept. My understanding of that is that that puts a lot of the core functionality in the public cloud rather than necessarily on premises.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Do you want to talk to that?

Ian Martin
Equity Analyst, New Street Research

I don't think I've heard today that the cloud native term, but is that where you're going with 5G standalone?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

You want to talk to that, Mark?

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah, I can talk to that. Yeah. For that particular trial, we did go cloud native, but it doesn't necessarily need to be cloud native. You can take a cloud instance which might be our own cloud versus being a hyperscaler cloud's instance.

Ian Martin
Equity Analyst, New Street Research

When you're talking about actually rolling out standalone 5G, it's not necessarily going to be cloud native. Is that what you're saying?

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's different vendors who play in the 5G standalone space. Some of them we use, you know, for specific trials, we might use, hyperscaler, mix them with a standard vendor. Others, we might just use the standard vendor. That, that's in the network space.

Ian Martin
Equity Analyst, New Street Research

All right. Thanks for that.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks, Ian. Okay, we might just go to the ones on the screen then, now. Chantai, you going to read those out?

Operator

We have a question in regards to MATTR. Does Spark attempt to make use of the blockchain while storing credentials, or is it not related at all?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Yep.

Claire Barber
CEO, MATTR

This is one of the most frequently asked questions in this space to do with blockchain. Our architecture can accommodate use of distributed ledgers, but it doesn't need to. In fact, most of our clients don't require them at all for the solutions that they are embarking on. In the context of decentralization, we can achieve the properties of decentralization anchoring into existing roots of trust, and PKI and decentralized PKI infrastructure without needing to use blockchain at all.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay, thanks. Claire.

Operator

Are you working on partnering with any organizations to provide skills training to your workforce to combat the labor shortages, especially in the IT services market?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Heather?

Heather Polglase
People and Culture Director, Spark New Zealand

Yes. Yes, we already are working with a range of different partnerships, be that vocational institutions, education, Te Pūkenga as an example, do a number of micro-credentialing and certifications with some of our partners, in the technology and product space. What I would say is, as we think about that skill development incubator, we are now rethinking additional or variants of partnerships that will help us to bring that to life through our own, incubation of skills that we need for the future.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay. Thanks, Heather.

Operator

How does Spark plan to compete against One New Zealand and 2degrees as they partner with satellite providers to provide mobile coverage across Aotearoa?

Heather Polglase
People and Culture Director, Spark New Zealand

Perhaps just provide a little bit of context in terms of the satellite for mobile. That is early development as was noted the day of the announcement. Into 2024 might be able to text, into 2025, some voice capability within that. We will partner with the satellite 'cause we do think it has a role to play, particularly when you think about the topography of New Zealand, some of the rural areas. It'll have a role to play, but the technology is relatively early at this point, and we'll be partnering alongside that. We are doing some more work around enterprise broadband using satellite, we've got a trial that's gonna launch shortly with some larger enterprise customers who have multi-sites. We're working through that.

I think, Chantai, that next one we've probably answered already.

Operator

Yep. Sure.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

The last one then.

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah.

Operator

This one is from Lance Reynolds from Aspiring. Your cash flow growth of 10% between FY 2024 and FY 2026, I assume, includes the returns on your growth CapEx. How much of this free cash flow dollar growth target is essentially acquired growth from new investment? I'm interested to know what your guidance implies for core growth. Would 5% be over the next three years be an unreasonable number to work off? Could you please provide some guidance on dividend imputation levels over the next three years?

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Thanks. Steve?

Mark Beder
COO, Spark New Zealand

Yeah. First of all, looking at the portion of free cash flow growth that's driven out of the core, the vast majority of it would come out of the core. If you think about the investments we're making of that NZD 350 million, the majority of it doesn't really start to come online in terms of from a revenue and earnings perspective until into FY26. Even in the data center space, you know, they have to scale. The vast majority of it would be from core growth. Secondly, can we provide a guidance on dividend? We'll do that annually. We don't give that in advance. Clearly, our aspiration is to grow the dividend over time, and our ambition would be to have that fully imputed as we go.

Once again, we would have to assess that on an annual basis and work on that with the board, and then that would be released as guidance on an annual basis.

Jolie Hodson
CEO, Spark New Zealand

Okay. Thank you, everyone. I think that ends Q&A. We're now going to prepare and set up for the next sessions around both the MATTR demo and also the BRAIN demo. Thanks for your attention and for participating in today.

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