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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Jul 28, 2021

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Equinor Analyst Call Q2. Throughout today's presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. The presentation will be followed by a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Peter Hutton, Senior Vice President. Please go ahead.

Peter Hutton
SVP of Investor Relations, Equinor

Hi, and thank you. Welcome everybody to, as we say, Equinor's 2Q 2021 results call. Peter Hutton, Head of Investor Relations. With us today, I'm very pleased to introduce Ulrica Fearn, who, as you know, started as CFO just over a month ago, and who will take us through the results and the main points. Then we will open up for questions and answers. The operator has just run through the process, but she'll give a reminder after this presentation. We expect the call to finish within around the hour. Also joining, as on previous calls, we have Svein Skeie, Head of Performance and Risk, Ørjan Kvelvane, who's Head of Finance and Accounting, and Mads Holm, Head of Treasury and Tax. With that, I'm very pleased to pass over to you, Ulrica, to start us off. Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Well, thank you very much, Peter. Thank you all for joining the call today. It's a pleasure to be making this, what is my Q1 results call for Equinor. Having started mid-June, as Peter said, this has been a good opportunity to get insight into the key drivers of performance in the organization. While this call is by phone, I do look forward to the discussion and hope to have a chance to meet with you more directly in the near future. This is a good quarter, where we delivered strong financial results, in which we were able to capture value through strong operational performance and cost focus. This enabled us to deliver strong net cash flow, strengthening our resilience in an uncertain and volatile market. Compared with the same quarter last year, the price environment could hardly be more different.

Last year has demonstrated clearly the volatility that can impact the industry. It has also demonstrated the advantages of being a resilient company with strong execution plans and a clear long-term strategy that also provides flexibility. With uncertainty still substantial, volatility remains, as seen last when, for example, Brent went from $76 to $68 over just a few days in July. The path of the economic recovery, development of commodity prices, and inflation are some of the elements playing into the volatility. Equinor has delivered solid and stable production through the pandemic. Last spring, restrictions prevented us from conducting planned maintenance on the NCS, leaving us with a catch-up effect and high level of maintenance this quarter. Despite this, we delivered high production with low unplanned losses at stable underlying cost.

We have run our flexible gas fields at full capacity to capture additional value from the higher gas prices of the quarter, and we have also captured higher value from the deferrals we did last year. The result is strong cash flows, reducing the net debt ratio significantly. At our Capital Markets Day in June, we presented our updated strategy for accelerating our transition whilst growing cash flow and returns. At the CMD, we also covered our industrial progress and the project portfolio. Since then, we have received government approval for Breidablikk PDO and have brought Martin Linge on stream. Looking a bit forward, Troll Phase 3 is well on track for startup later this year. We do, however, see continued effects from COVID on some of our projects.

Restrictions are limiting the workforce in Singapore, where the Johan Castberg hull is under construction, and the yards in Norway, where Njord A and B are being upgraded. For Njord, we now expect start-up during summer 2022. While we continue to watch and act on COVID, you should note we are currently developing over 20 projects, and others remain on track or even slightly ahead. Overall, our projects coming on stream by 2030 have an average break-even of below $35. You will recall that as communicated in our Capital Markets Day, the board has decided on a cash dividend of $0.18 for the quarter. This is up 20% from the previous quarter and twice the level of the Q2 last year. Today, we commence the first tranche of $300 million of the announced new share buyback program.

This is the first of two expected tranches in 2021 of about $600 million in total. From 2022, we expect yearly buybacks of shares of around $1.2 billion. This is a level which can be expected going forward, assuming an oil price in or above a range of $50-$60 per barrel, an expected net debt ratio in the 15-30 range, and supportive commodity prices. In periods with sustained higher price levels and a low net debt ratio, share buybacks can be used more extensively. In this quarter, we see a stable trend for the serious incident frequency, but a negative trend for the total recordable incident frequency. For the last 12 months, we report a serious incident frequency of 0.5 and a total recordable incident frequency of 2.5 per million working hours.

For us, this is too many incidents and injuries, and it is a real area of focus. Solid operational performance and continued value focus enabled us to capture additional benefit from the higher prices and deliver a strong financial result for the quarter. Adjusted earnings ended at $4.6 billion, up from $0.4 billion in the same quarter last year. As mentioned, Q2 last year was very special. The IFRS net operating income came in at $5.3 billion and the IFRS net income at $1.9 billion. In the quarter, we have seen net reversals of impairments of around $280 million, mainly due to the increase in short-term gas prices. This includes impairments of exploration expenses of around $110 million. The group tax rate in the quarter is 66%.

This is up from 51.3% in the Q1, when it was somewhat low due to low tax on gains on divestments in renewables. The tax rate of 66% is due to higher revenues from the NCS and also a higher than usual effective tax rate in MMP due to the earnings compositions in this quarter. To E&P Norway. With adjusted earnings in the quarter of NOK 4 billion, E&P Norway achieved the best results in Q2 2014, when Brent was around NOK 110, and compared to a small loss a year ago. Continued solid operational performance, stable underlying cost, and flexibility in production enable us to capture the value. E&P International delivered earnings of NOK 399 million, which is a further improvement from the Q1.

E & P International, of course, also benefited from the higher commodity prices, also from production growth of 7% from Q2 last year, reduced depreciation and lower exploration costs, and stable underlying OpEx and SG&A. In E & P USA, we see the effect of long-term cost improvements and portfolio optimization, with a 7% reduction in the unit cost. The result ended up at NOK 230 million and a significantly improved cash flow after investments in the quarter of around NOK 500 million. The sale of Bakken was closed in the quarter, the payment contributed further to the strong cash flow. Our midstream and marketing segment delivered a result of NOK 144 million. The results are impacted by Hammerfest LNG shutdown and weak refinery margins.

Cold weather in the beginning of the quarter, low storages after the cold winter in Europe, and tight supply of European gas and LNG strengthened prices throughout the quarter, and we now see record high summer prices over $12 per million BTU. As reported last quarter, results are impacted by losses on derivatives in MMP on gas forward contracts entered into last year, offset by gains in other contracts. Some gas positions are still outstanding and will have a negative impact beyond the Q2. In the renewable segments, earnings from assets in operations, including the semiannual dividend from Dudgeon, were $37 million, up $7 million from a year ago, despite lower wind. As you would expect from a business in build-up phase, this high level of activity on business development and progressing projects increased costs.

You should therefore normally expect development costs to outweigh earnings from operating assets, except in quarters like last quarter, where we benefit from farm downs. We delivered stable production and solid operating performance with a total equity production of 1,997,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day. On the NCS, we conduct the normal planned maintenance as well as the catch-up on NCS from last year. The total turnaround effect ended up at around 100,000 barrels per day, significantly higher than the normal for Q2s. Despite this, regularity has been high and unplanned losses have been low. The outage at our Hammerfest LNG plant at Peregrino, and as well as the sale of Bakken, impacted the total production volumes in the quarter. This was partially offset by Johan Sverdrup increasing production to 236,000 barrels net to Equinor in the quarter, around 50,000 barrels up from the same quarter last year.

With the increase in gas prices, we have leveraged our flexible gas fields and produced at full capacity on the NCS, as well as increased production in the U.S. and in Sellaf. Martin Linge was brought on stream and is now in the ramp-up phase towards plateau production in the H1 of 2022. Our offshore wind farms had high availability, but lower winds impacted the power production, ending at 282 gigawatt hours, down from 304 for the same quarter last year. We continue to progress our project pipeline. Our offshore wind project, Baltic 2 and 3, were awarded contracts for difference for up to 25 years. At full scale, these wind farms will constitute a hub for renewable energy in the Baltic Sea and support Poland's energy transition. We have high level of activity, maturing our projects and taking strategic positions, focusing on high-value growth, not volume targets.

The cash flow from operations is strong, at NOK 6.5 billion for the quarter, and more than NOK 13 billion before tax year to date. Increased prices, combined with improvements and strict capital discipline, all contribute to the strong net cash flow at NOK 9.7 billion year to date. In the quarter, we paid around NOK 820 million for the redetermination settlement process of Agbami, around NOK 60 million less than the provision in our books. The tax payments on NCS for the quarter are based on our 2020 earnings and are hence low. From H2 of the year, the tax installment will be based on 2021 numbers. In Q3, we have an installment of around NOK 12 billion, or approximately $1.3 billion, the first of three installments in the H2 of 2021.

With the solid financial results and strong net cash flow, our net debt level improved significantly.

Since the beginning of the year, we have almost halved our net debt level from 31.7% to 16.4%, making us more resilient towards market volatility. Today, we commence the first tranche of the share buyback program in line with the program announced in June. It is just over 1 month since our Capital Markets Day, you would not expect changes to our guiding, we are on track to deliver. To summarize, we delivered strong financial results in which we were able to capture value through solid operational performance and cost focus. The results deliver strong net cash flow, which further improve our resilience in an uncertain and volatile market. We are on track to deliver on our guiding, we commence our announced share buyback program. With that, I will hand back to you, Peter, I look forward to your questions.

Peter Hutton
SVP of Investor Relations, Equinor

Great. Thanks, Ulrica. I will actually pass straight through to the operator to remind on the polling for questions and take us through those.

Operator

The first question comes from the line of Biraj Borkhataria of Royal Bank of Canada. Please go ahead.

Biraj Borkhataria
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Best of luck with the new role. I've got two questions, please. The first one's on the gas portfolio. You talked about the hedging and the derivative losses. Could you say, from this point forward, what proportion of your European gas sales are hedged? The second question is based on your comments on maintenance and the catch-up effect. Are you able to give any color on how long you expect the catch-up phase to kind of continue on for, and when we get back into a more normal maintenance cycle? Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you, Biraj, for your questions. Yes. Let's start on gas and the impact from this point forward and the proportion. What I can say, it's a small proportion on the gas on the NCS shelf. We took a position away from forward sales, and it is reducing. What I can say, it will have an impact on the next half. I will say it's a small proportion, and I will also highlight that overall, high gas prices is very positive for our overall portfolio, and with the strengths of that overall, is very beneficial to the company. On the sort of maintenance catch-up, we have done most of the maintenance catch-up in the quarter. We did a planned maintenance, but also the catch-up. There is a little bit left in the next quarter, but mainly in international.

I think we're pretty much up to where we need to be at the moment.

Biraj Borkhataria
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Teodor Sveen-Nilsen of SB1 Markets AS. Please go ahead.

Teodor Sveen-Nilsen
Analyst, SpareBank 1 Markets

Hello. Thanks for taking my questions. First one on cash flow and net debt. As you highlighted, Ulrica, net debt has come substantially down recently. Going forward, will you prioritize to buy back before cash dividends going forward? Will you consider to increase cash dividends substantially? Second question, just on CapEx. I note that based on your full-year guidance this far, you have only spent around 40% compared to what you plan to spend this year. Is it fair to assume that you will end the full year in the lower end of the range from $9 billion-$10 billion? Thanks.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you for your question, Teodor. On the dividend with the low net debt ratio, yes, we do have. We are pleased to see our net debt ratio where it is. We have stated what our overall share buyback sort of framework looks like, and that it does add some flexibility to our overall capital distribution framework. We also did say that the board will assess the overall environment based on not any one trigger individually. We have three main factors that needs to be assessed, one is around Brent oil prices, which needs to be within or above the range of $50-$60 per barrel. It is also, as you say, the long-term net debt target ratio where we are within, but are in the bottom end of the 15%-30% range at the moment. We also need to see supportive commodity prices.

We are very pleased today to announce and start our share buyback program. We'll continue to monitor these factors. We will monitor them as a whole. The board will make decision when they're all supportive for a substantial amount of time. On the CapEx ratio, I think it does look a little bit low in this half. We are seeing some increased activity in the H2. We are, as you heard, reiterating our guiding of the nine to ten. We are seeing some increased activity in H2. In majority of that will be in E&P International, on major development projects. We're sort of starting spending in H2 on Bacalhau. There are various other increases across international that you see a little bit of a tick up. I think that probably answered that question.

Teodor Sveen-Nilsen
Analyst, SpareBank 1 Markets

Okay. Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yeah.

Teodor Sveen-Nilsen
Analyst, SpareBank 1 Markets

Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

Operator

Next question is the line of Yoann Charenton of SG. Please go ahead.

Yoann Charenton
Analyst, SG

Hello, Ulrica and team. I will have two questions. One is coming back onto this impact of gas forward sales. I am looking for some more color on the actual cashflow impact. If we look at your cashflow statement in the past two quarters, we can see that you posted an unusually large move of about NOK 750 million, which is showing basically the move in net derivative instruments. I just want to know if there is anything basically to draw from this amount as for the future cash impact of your gas forward sales, assuming that, of course, the forward curve remains steady versus the end of the Q2 . The second question, coming back to one of the points you made about the upside distribution potential. You refer to a system trend that will basically be a trigger for more distribution.

How many quarters to make that sustained trend, please?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you very much, Yoann. I will start on your question on the gas forward sale. I'll start with saying MMP trading reflects a complex trading in multiple position, and there are many gains and losses on various positions here. The impact on the summer sales has partly been offset by gains in other positions. To isolate one in our derivatives result is very, very difficult. What I can say is that those specific positions, we expect those to continue to have a negative impact in the H2. The indication we're giving is that the MMP trading will be normal guidance, to give you a bit of sense of it. This is also depending on volatility in the market.

I should also note that the MMP trading is also being impacted by other factors, such as the low refinery margins and LNG, sort of the shutdown of Hammerfest. There's a few factors there that points us from a sizing point of view down towards the below or just at the bottom of the normal guidance. On the upside on distribution and triggers and how many quarters. I think we've been very careful in a very volatile environment to not be too specific on this. This is a holistic assessment that the board does. I think it's important to also say that we have introduced some possibility for flexibility with our share buyback program. We have consistently increased our base dividend over the last four quarters, and we've added a share buyback program.

We have committed to our long-term ambition to grow the annual dividend in line with underlying earnings. Generally, historically, the increases have taken place in Q4. Again, the board of directors will take all of those factors into account when they do the assessment as we go forward here and use the toolkit we now have to assess the right level.

Yoann Charenton
Analyst, SG

Thank you, Ulrica.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is the line of Peter Low of Redburn. Please go ahead.

Peter Low
Analyst, Redburn

Hi. Thanks. The first was another one on gas price realization. If I look at your average invoice gas price in Europe, it's not increased as much sequentially as either your internal gas price or benchmark hubs like NBP and TTF. I thought the hedging impact was all taken in MMP, so it wouldn't come through here. Is there something else that means you haven't captured all the upside we've seen on spot gas prices? The second question is on the operating and admin expense in E & PN. You talk about them being stable in the presentation. It actually looks like they've increased a bit quarter-on-quarter despite lower production, and it's more than might have expected from FX alone. Are there any other moving parts there you can flag? Thanks.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you very much, Peter, for your questions. In terms of your second question, I'll start there. FX is the big driver. We've seen the exchange go from 10 down to 8.6 or something like that at the moment. That is by far the biggest movement in it. We have seen stable cost and a real cost focus on the rest of the portfolio, I wouldn't highlight any other section there. Your first question was around, remind me on the specifics of it.

Peter Low
Analyst, Redburn

Yeah. It was on your reported average invoice gas price in Europe.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yes, okay.

Peter Low
Analyst, Redburn

Which I thought has affected, yeah, the actual price we're realizing in the MMP. It hadn't increased as much as we might have expected given kind of what spot prices have done.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

I think our adjusted prices increased mainly due to higher prices, but they are also slightly offset by a few other factors. I am going to hand over to Svein to share with you a few of those.

Svein Skeie
SVP of CFO Performance Management and Risk, Equinor

It's a blend, and the invoice prices is then impacted by the total gas realization price that we are doing, both in the total curve that we are selling, including the positions. On the internal price, what you typically do there, and you have the coverage for cost, but then also you pay on a basket, and which is then fixed 70% on the day ahead and around 30% then month ahead. When these are developing, and when we have some position, there could be some deviation coming out there, but we are also now seeing that the prices are also then increasing in line with the curves as they are moving upwards.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you very much.

Peter Low
Analyst, Redburn

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is the line of Anders Holte of Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.

Anders Holte
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Actually, most of my questions have been asked. I do have one that I would like to pick your brain on, Ulrica. I guess when we look at the strong cash flow the last twi quarters from the oil and gas division, obviously we're all seeing the price movements for renewable, especially listed equities, over the past six, seven months. You point to, you want to have a more stable trend before you think that there will be any more dividends coming, as I interpret you. Is kind of M&A higher up on your list of priorities, or is that something still that you will view a bit further down the wish list in terms of how you distribute the excess cash that you're now seeing?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

It was only a month ago we shared with you what our overall strategy was looking like, and we are basically completely in line with that. We did, in terms of cash, how we use it, in theory, there are four main options for that. CapEx, and there we provided guidance on expected level of CapEx spending. It's a very full portfolio. It's a very advantageous project. On M&A, we did state that our future was based on organic activities. Some opportunities, if they arise, but basically our ambitions and guidance was based on organic activities. We will continue to take an opportunistic approach, but that's completely in line with what we said before. Also, I should point out that that opportunistic approach could see us as net sellers in the M&A space.

Of course, as you say, we've got the reduction of debt, where we're at the bottom of the range at the moment, and then return to shareholders. That's how M&A sits in the overall portfolio.

Anders Holte
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from the line of Martijn Rats from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Martijn Rats
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Yeah. Hi. Hello. I wanted to ask you two, they're somewhat unrelated. First of all, I just wanted to ask what your response was to the EU Fit for 55 program that was announced. It's an enormously broad set of measures, and then I was wondering if there was something in there that was specific to Equinor, perhaps that drew your attention. Secondly, yeah, look, I guess the answer is no, but just to tick this one off. Any signs of any inflationary pressures in the upstream?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yeah. Thank you. Two great questions. The EU Fit for 55 question first. Well, the 1st part of the Fit for 55 package was presented in July, and it included few elements of priority for Equinor, which is the revision of EU Emission Trading System and the proposal for a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism, also the amendment that they did to the Renewable Energy Directive and the regulation on reducing methane emission in the energy sector. It's difficult to give firm statements on any of these implications at this part, because the second part of this will be presented in the fall. We are clearly working to understand that and work that through. There's a long answer to that I think we can talk about separately, but those are the main sort of areas. On the unrelated outlook and signs of inflation.

Well, yes, we are continuing to focus on cost very attentively. We're seeing several developments there. I think clearly we are aware that global demand is picking up across categories and as the COVID-19 impact eases, and historically, this has increased risk of inflation. We're very much watching this. It's a very good question. We see some mixed signals as well though, which reduces that risk, recently on metals pricing. We tend to focus on with supplier, with a healthy backorder backlog and strong balance sheet, so we're best positioned to take advantage of the recovery, which might help. Other few things we're seeing, we're seeing rig utilization. It's down from last quarter, but flat rig rate. We're seeing a clear trend towards renewable and low carbon focus amongst suppliers.

Another one to watch from a cost point of view, I guess, is the NCS tax package. The package has had a positive trend rather than sort of a rush and a bottleneck. We're seeing positive activity on the NCS on the back of that. Finally on steel and metal, I guess I should mention as well that steel prices have remained high due to strong demand and continued supplies constrained. The price rally is, however, we sort of see expected to have reached its peak. Those are the few areas we're sort of watching within. It's an uncertain world, and what was history might not apply to the future, but that's what we're watching at the moment, Martijn.

Martijn Rats
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Wonderful. Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from the line of John Olaisen of ABG. Please go ahead.

John Olaisen
Analyst, ABG

Thank you. Good morning, Ulrica. Welcome in your new position. My question is regarding the reporting for the renewable business. Due to the equity accounting principle, I would argue that we get limited insight into the increasingly important part of your business, the renewable business. I just wonder if you have any plans to provide us with some more details. It would be great to see some call it proportional figures on the proportional revenue, EBITDA, not the least cash flow numbers, and also to get more insight into the financing situation, the debt structure of the renewable business.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you very much. Thank you, John. Yes. The renewable business what I can say is, this is a business in rapid buildup. As we mature multiple projects, we clearly expect value recognition to increase. In the near term, as you see, we've got fairly high development costs that will impact those earnings for some time to come. It's going to take quite a long time for us to sort of really stabilize that business. At this point in time, I'm not sure how much value there would be. There's not much trend to be taken out of them. Over time, of course, we will be looking at disclosures. There are some more on our website, and I'll refer you to those. As this business matures, yes, we will be looking into disclosing more.

At this point in time, given the immaturity of it and the rapid buildup, this is where we'll stay.

John Olaisen
Analyst, ABG

Yeah, sure. I recognize that it's an early phase. Just building up the numbers, watching them over time will give us a better position to evaluate these important CapEx numbers that we put into these figures all the time. More like a request.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Very good.

John Olaisen
Analyst, ABG

From me would be great at some time.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yes. We will be watching them grow, too, and we are very much looking forward to that journey as well. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Christyan Malek of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Christyan Malek
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Hi, it's Christyan Malek here. Yes, look, best of luck with the new role, and congrats. Just two questions. One sort of following on from Martijn on inflation, but just flipping it to just Brazil. We've had some clearly a lot of execution issues holistically, owing to what's been going on there with the coronavirus. I wanted to know whether you have any sort of line of sight now in terms of just improving around the supply chain and whether you are also seeing inflation there, and yeah, how confident you are in terms of sort of deliveries, particularly given some of the delays. Just more sort of top down around Brazil would be very useful. Second question comes back to the renewables business.

Just wondering more kind of philosophically how you feel this business is being valued, whether it's been valued appropriately as we're in a kind of onward. Now you're in the new seat. Are you comfortable with how the market views that business within your portfolio? Or do you think something needs to happen, whether it be through greater disclosure or potentially spin off IPO? I'd love to hear your initial thoughts on that. Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Very good. It was very hard to hear that, unfortunately. I'm a little bit unclear on your second question. I think the first one is more of a overall Brazil assessment and where we're at. I think I'll answer that sort of high level. Since the beginning of the COVID pandemic in Brazil, we have put in place preventative and protective measures to safeguard our people and several of that go beyond the authorities. We are sort of moving forward on that very well. Even though all strict measures have been put in place, it's not prevented us from having some issues there. I think we are monitoring and continuing those safeguards around Brazil. I don't know if there's anything else. I'm looking around the table here, if you heard anything else around that.

Svein Skeie
SVP of CFO Performance Management and Risk, Equinor

Yeah. If you look at the totality there, we're also then working to get working with Peregrino, getting that up and running again. Expect then start up over New Year on that one in the H1 of 2022. Peregrino Phase 2 will then come. We are working on that continuously. On the Bacalhau, which we recently have a final investment decision on, that's also then going according to our plans there. We communicated around that one, as you also might remember at the Capital Markets Day, with the break-evens for that one, for the first one.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Christyan, I hope we answered your question.

Christyan Malek
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, thank you. I put my second question, hopefully it's clearer.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yeah.

Christyan Malek
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

I'm just using my useless AirPods.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yeah.

Christyan Malek
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

The second question is regarding sort of renewables business, and it is sort of maybe early days to ask you this, but how you view it being valued within your conglomerate. Clearly, disclosure will always improve. How do you see it sort of as you sort of move into this seat, do you see a better place through a sort of a carve-out, or are you comfortable with it sitting within the portfolios? Just your initial thoughts on just how you think the renewables business is being appropriately valued, given sort of to some extent you could question whether investors are really going to turn up for a kind of hybrid status in the current market. Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you, Christyan. Yes, I mean, in terms of appropriately valued, it's interesting to see the value of these businesses develop, the pure businesses develop outside of Equinor, having such strong values and then sort of tapering off a little bit. I think it's a difficult market to value. There's clearly an opportunity here that everybody can see. The track record of what actually it takes to succeed in that market is clearly not that explored. I think that sort of means that I think we're going to see some values going up and down depending on very small pieces of new information as we move forward. That will go for pure companies as well as companies like Equinor.

The reason we're in the renewable segment is because we believe Equinor has got some very crucial capabilities that really helps us to be a leader in this transition, which helps us to drive this renewable business forward. That's our strategy, and that's how we will position ourselves in this business going forward as part of our overall strategy.

Christyan Malek
Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Naisheng Cui of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Naisheng Cui
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, morning to you. Congratulations for your new role. Two questions, if I may. The first one is, during your presentation, it's interesting that you said share buybacks could be used more extensively, so just wonder if cash returns will be higher. Will a higher level of share buybacks be a priority over a dividend increase? That's my first question. My second question is, do you expect Equinor's production to decline materially in the long run in order to meet net zero target? If yes, when do you expect production to plateau, thanks?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Well, thank you for those questions, Nash. I'll come back on the capital distribution. There is no expectation at this point in time. I've shared with you what the sort of parameters are that we will work around to assess the situation as to how much level of capital distribution the board will decide on. I will say that Equinor is very committed to long-term shareholder value, and capital distribution is an important part of what we want to drive for and give shareholders back in the future. Taking all those factors into account, we did introduce a new flexibility part of the dividend. I think we need to look at it as a whole.

There is a core dividend that we've said we're going to grow in line with earnings. Then we've got a more flexible side when we see the factors I shared with you around oil prices, the net debt target ratio, and supportive commodity prices that we can then use when we see it's appropriate to hand back more. Those are the two forms we will be using. On production, longer term production, we've clearly been indicating that our guiding stays where it is. In the very long term, I'll hand over to Svein to give some more color on that.

Svein Skeie
SVP of CFO Performance Management and Risk, Equinor

Yeah. What we then said also on the Capital Markets Day, we gave the guiding for the 2021. We also said the portfolio outlook up to 2026 is the same as we said earlier, 3% growth. The 2030 production is then expected to be around the same level as we saw in 2020. We are working with our advantage portfolio, with a break-even below $35 for the projects that are coming on stream up until 2030, generating a significant cash flow in that perspective.

Naisheng Cui
Analyst, Barclays

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Anders Rosenlund of SEB. Please go ahead.

Anders Rosenlund
Analyst, SEB

Thank you. I'd like to ask you a license question once more. Just trying to word it differently, because renewables and low carbon solution is an important part of Equinor's future. As we've touched upon, it's being reported as associated companies. The operational and financial disclosure is currently very poor. Instead of asking whether you will do changes to that reporting? Will you be an advocate of making such changes to provide more transparency in this business segment, which you rightfully spent a lot of time on addressing in connection with the Capital Markets Day a month ago?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Very good. It is a good question. Clearly, yes, an important sort of assessment of our business going forward, and it's a difficult area we're in as it's growing and we're building the business. Yes, we have had some thoughts around this, and I'm going to hand over to Ørjan to share some of those thoughts.

Ørjan Kvelvane
SVP of Accounting, Equinor

No, it's just a reminder that when we had the significant investment in Lundin, then we had a separate disclosure that gave exactly what you are looking for, and that is something that we assess going forward as well, as we build up this portfolio. We take note of the request and the information that we get.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yep, absolutely. Thank you very much, Anders.

Anders Rosenlund
Analyst, SEB

Okay.

Operator

Next question is from the line of James Hubbard of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

James Hubbard
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. Good morning, good afternoon to you guys. Just one question. We had the ruling against Shell in The Hague in May, brought by various environmental groups. Obviously, that, for now, is a one-off ruling and they're appealing, and who knows what will become of it. It does seem likely that such cases will proliferate across Europe, and perhaps to Norway. I'm wondering, how do you feel about your strategy as it is, which basically involves oil production growth over the next handful of years, and as you just mentioned, flat over the decade. Scope 3 flat, no matter what happens to Scope 1 and 2. Scope 3 possibly up, because you're going to become a little bit more oil biased.

When you see a court case like that and you think about potential proliferation, how do you feel about your strategy now in the context of maybe a few years from now, a similar ruling being brought against yourselves? Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thank you very much. Yes, it was a big ruling. What I can say is this, we don't like to speculate whether the likelihood for Equinor to be engaged in something like that has increased or decreased. What I will say is, or will note, is that we are seeing some differences in the legal situation in Norway. Our strategy going forward and your question about the implication of that, we are very clear that we want to be a leader in the energy transition, which I think is fully in line with what we need to be and how we need to drive forward and being a strong leader and driving the transition as we outlined it in the Capital Markets Day. Thank you.

James Hubbard
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah, sorry. Could I just ask a follow-on?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Yeah.

James Hubbard
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

I understand you want to be a strong leader, but people can just look at your oil production profile and your gas production profile and conclude that at a Scope 3 level, your emissions are going to be rising. Do you think that qualifies as leadership in the sector?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Well, our ambitions were fast-tracked and accelerated, what we had before, we've accelerated and we continue to look at how fast we can move in this transition. At this point in time, we've assessed a strategy that is quite ambitious, we've got real actions to get to it, that's what we need to continue to strive for.

James Hubbard
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

A strategy that we can get to.

James Hubbard
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Right. Thank you.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Jon Rigby of UBS. Please go ahead.

Jon Rigby
Analyst, UBS

Hello. Hello, Ørjan. I've got two questions for you. Small ones, I think, not sort of big picture that we've mainly focused on. The 1st is, if I look at your gas results, gas trading results in the MMP, the U.S. actually looks pretty good. I'm aware that there's been some infrastructure issues and so on in the U.S. this year, and particularly in the Q2 . I just wondered whether there's anything unusual going on in the U.S. around your sort of infrastructure position and production positions that helped you this quarter. The second is just on the balance sheet. You were very cash generative in the quarter, and you seem to have squirreled most of it away into financial investments.

I just wondered whether that's just a timing difference or whether there's a sort of strategy around liquidity and positioning of where you want to see sort of cash balances versus gross net debt as your net debt overall begins to fall. Thanks.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Very good. Thank you for those, Jon. On the U.S., yeah, the U.S. gas looks good in the MMP segment. That's a right observation. It tends to get overshadowed by the other factors, but I'll let Øystein comment on some of the details on the back of that.

Svein Skeie
SVP of CFO Performance Management and Risk, Equinor

Also, in U.S., ENP U.S. and MMP. MMP buys it then at a local liquid hubs there. We have seen that on those ones, the prices has not developed in a similar way as the Henry Hub has. As we then have infrastructure and ability to take it out of the area, we are able also to generate an extra profit. As U.S. gas then coming up with a decent profit, as you said, Jon, in the Q2 here. It also shows the value of then having the value chain focus here on totality and the positions that we have had earlier, taking pipeline capacity both to the East Coast, to Manhattan, as well as up to the Toronto, which we are now gaining on as a company.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

On your cash position question, Jo n, yes, you're right. There's a buildup of cash, especially looking, as you say, across financial investment and cash and cash equivalents. They must be seen together. They do reflect the overall liquidity of the group, which of course, you might recall, we built up in times of uncertainty. There were many ways of doing that, and this is what we did. There is to it. We take that into account. Net debt, it's clearly where we count it in. We have indicated the range that we're happy from a long-term point of view, which is the 15%-30%.

This is just part of the same conversation as I've had now, which is we need to take that liquidity profile into consideration in the net debt and with other factors, and then assess how much capital we keep in the business versus hand back or spend on the basis of those three factors I shared before.

Peter Hutton
SVP of Investor Relations, Equinor

Right. Thank you.

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

Thanks.

Operator

There are no more questions at this time. I would like to hand back to Mr. Peter Hutton for any closing comments.

Peter Hutton
SVP of Investor Relations, Equinor

Okay, thank you. Well, actually, I'd just like to thank Ulrica. Do you have any closing comments, Ulrica, that you want to pass?

Ulrica Fearn
CFO, Equinor

No. Well, thank you all. It's great to meet you. I'm sure we'll meet, as I said upfront, hopefully a little bit more face-to-face at some point in time. It's been a good quarter. I think it's important to recognize that, yes, there's been strong prices. I think it's important to sort of highlight that Equinor has taken advantage of those with strong production and holding the cost pressure where it needs to be. It's a volatile market going forward still. It looks a bit stable. We keep that in our mind. There's some very good question around volatility and cost that we need to sort of take into account with these strong results, which will give us an interesting next half to get through to understand what the world looks like.

I'm hoping we shared with you today that we're setting Equinor up the best we can to capture whatever opportunity there is, and in a resilient way to capture if there should be any downside. With that, Peter, I think that's.

Peter Hutton
SVP of Investor Relations, Equinor

Perfect way to end it. Thank you very much, everybody, for joining us. Really appreciate it. I know there's more results to come from some of our peers for the rest of the week, so I wish you luck with those. Of course, any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us in Investor Relations. With that, thanks to everybody who participated on the call, and all the best. Thank you.