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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

May 12, 2022

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Welcome to Hexagon Composites Q1 2022 presentation. My name is Karen Romer. I'm the SVP of Communications at Hexagon, and welcome everybody here, both in our studio audience or in our auditorium audience, and also those watching the webcast. Today, joining me here in Oslo is Jon Erik Engeset, who is our CEO, and David Bandele, our CFO. They will be presenting today an agenda that includes the highlights of Q1 2022, a market update, the financials outlook, and then a summary, and Q&A. I invite all of you who are on the webcast audience to please use that little icon that allows you to enter questions. You can do that throughout the presentation. Just type in your question and we will come around to it at the end of the presentation.

Those of you in the audience will have an opportunity also to ask your questions here in the studio. Without any further ado, I will turn the mic over to Jon Erik.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Thank you, Karen. Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. A lot has happened in the world so far this year, and frankly, it affects Hexagon quite significantly in many ways, short and long-term, and I will take the opportunity to discuss that with you today in today's presentation. Before we go there, the highlights of Q1, we had a 47% group revenue growth year-over-year, significant, mainly driven by the renewable natural gas, RNG, and hydrogen businesses, which also entails a very strong backlog for the remainder of the year. In the quarter, or more precisely, just after the quarter, we entered into a deal to acquire 40% in Cryoshelter GmbH, an Austrian LNG tech company.

Hexagon Purus on their side, they are delivering on their ambitious growth plans, including now good traction in the Chinese JV. Hexagon is about driving energy transformation, and the final 2021 account is that we enabled, by our solutions, the avoidance of 1.15 million tons of CO2 equivalents. To accomplish that, we ourselves consumed just north of 300,000 metric tons, which makes our net impact quite positive. That said, we, as all industry companies, also have to work more on our own footprint. In the quarter, I signed the Science Based Targets initiative, where we commit to net zero by 2050, and we will aim at achieving that well before that deadline.

That is very, very high on our agenda now, as you can imagine. Looking at the financials, high level, Hexagon, excluding Purus, had revenues of NOK 913 million in the quarter against NOK 690 million in the corresponding quarter last year, delivering an EBITDA of NOK 84 million. Hexagon Purus on their side tripled their top line from NOK 52 million- NOK 159 million. That is without Wystrach in 2021. While Wystrach is already in profit generation phase, the rest of the business is still in a growth and development and build-out phase, and still therefore generating negative EBITDA, amounting to NOK 93 million in the quarter.

Since we own 73.3% of Hexagon Purus, when consolidating, then the group revenues amounting to NOK 1,016 million, up from NOK 692 last year, and an EBITDA of -9 against a positive EBITDA of NOK 25 million in 2021. While the top line growth is highly satisfactory, the profitability is not growing in the quarter year-over-year. While there may be some mix effects to that, the main reason is the difficult supply chain situation around us, and of course, further increased by the Ukraine war and the lockdown in Shanghai in particular. We have taken mitigating actions. We have a higher inventory of critical components in our factories.

We have communicated price increases to our customers, and we have further intensified the already ongoing productivity programs. We will see step- by- step in the coming quarters that margin compression will be reversed. Frankly, we also see that our type of products is in short supply. As I will discuss further, we see the demand side just strengthening and strengthening. We think there is a good prospect of achieving the 15% target mark, and maybe exceeding that in not too distant future. Time has come for us to take this business from growth to truly profitable growth phase in the coming years. The raw material price increases and energy price increases are not only negative for us.

This picture shows the delta between the diesel gallon equivalent basis in the North American markets for trucks, showing that first of all, CNG has been remarkably stable over the years at the pump price, while diesel, it's much more volatile. When the oil and gas prices go up, then we see that the delta increases in favor of CNG. Right now, we are back to how it was in the 2013, 2014 timeframe, when to upgrade from a conventional diesel truck to a CNG truck has a payback of down, you know, 1-2 years. The value proposition also from an ROI perspective is becoming very, very favorable. The main driver remains the environmental motives of the fleet owners to decarbonize their fleets.

The governments around the world are certainly not happy that the energy prices go up. There are renewed commitments to secure energy independence by most governments in the free world. In the U.S., they want to step up production of conventional resources, but also committing to developing the renewable and clean alternatives. In the EU, where the challenges are becoming quite precarious and critical, they have launched the REPowerEU, which is stepping up the already very, very ambitious energy transformation plans in the union. That REPowerEU entails a rapidly increased import of liquid natural gas, LNG, replacing imported pipeline gas from Russia. Utilization of the significant untapped RNG or biomethane resources in Europe, green hydrogen production and blue hydrogen imports.

To accomplish this, significant build-out of infrastructure needs to be prioritized, which is also important for us. Taking a closer look at this, in the REPowerEU plan, I remind you that the Fit for 55 plan was launched less than a year ago already, addressing these opportunities. With the new plan on biomethane, the plan is to reach 35 billion cubic meters by 2030. That is up from around NOK 3 billion in 2021, so an 11-fold, almost 12-fold increase. A quadrupling of the hydrogen targets, so currently hydrogen is close to zero actually. In the European energy balance, the Fit for 55 ambition was 5 million tons. Now with the REPowerEU plan, they want to take that to 20 million tons by 2030.

Last but not least, more short term, to replace Russian oil, the EU wants to increase the import of LNG by 50% by the end of the year, increasing that from 80 billion cubic meters to 130 billion cubic meters. To accomplish this, our distribution modules and Mobile Pipeline modules will need to be a part of the solution. Frequently, these resources are off-grid, and it will take time, and very significant investments to connect them to pipelines or other infrastructure. That is why the Mobile Pipeline units, distribution containers, is the only available logistical solution, and that part of our business should see significant growth for that reason.

On the vehicle side, while Hexagon has a very strong position in the bus market in Europe, we do not reach the heavy-duty truck market, unlike in the U.S., where we are the market leader and where that business is developing very strongly for us. The reason for that is how trucks are being built in Europe compared to North America. While the North American trucks are larger, with plenty of space available to package systems with tanks, the European trucks are much more compact, and there is less space available for adding tank capacity. Therefore, in Europe, the solution is LNG tanks to secure adoption of natural gas. We see that business developing very strongly. The graph to the left here shows the development from 2018 to 2021. Three times increase.

Still a modest share of the overall trucking fleet. Around 3% of new trucks were natural gas, but growing strongly. This is supported by a corresponding development of the LNG filling network. This development is expected to continue in the years to come. Already now, actually, with 10,000 trucks in 2021, the number of new trucks in Europe, natural gas trucks, is 3x bigger than in the U.S. That market is significant and an opportunity that we would like to also reach. This coupled with the opportunity of decarbonized heavy-duty trucks by renewable natural gas gives reason to have strong belief in this segment. Trucking is one of the so-called hard-to-abate sectors in the economy, and at the same time contributing significantly to CO2 emissions.

The obvious solution, and the only solution, for the next 10 years is renewable natural gas or biomethane, as most often termed in Europe. We see an increase of that energy source 4x-5 x, reaching around 15% of the fuel consumption by 2030. For these good reasons, we made the decision to acquire 40% of a technology company in Graz in Austria, Cryoshelter GmbH, which has developed unique technology for cryogenic storage of natural gas, but the technology can also then be further developed for also liquid hydrogen. We have options to gradually go up to 100% over the next 10 years. We frankly expect to take controlling stake significantly earlier than that.

Our role in the near term will be to support Cryoshelter in industrializing and commercializing their business. As I told you in the previous quarter, we have recently opened our commercial center of excellence in Munich for the European market, and that location is, of course, ideally also suited to support Cryoshelter. Cryoshelter was founded by Dr. Matthias Rebernik in 2008, they have spent 13 years, 14 years to develop the technology. We have known them and had the dialogue with them for the last five years or so. Matthias will stay on as managing director, and of course, also a significant shareholder for a long time to come. The tank, as designed, will deliver up to 30% better fuel storage capacity than the competing products in the market.

Without going into a lot of details on that technology, we don't want to share all the secrets, but it has to do with thermal management. It has to do with how the space, both on the truck and in the tank itself, is utilized. Very important, this technology allows 2x-4 x improved hold time, depending on the size of the tank. The hold time, so it means how long the truck can remain idle without having to vent the gas. Because if you don't run a natural gas engine, pressure will build up in the cryogenic tank, and after a while, you will have to vent unless you start moving the truck. That is a problem if you need to take a truck in for repair, or you need to leave it over the weekend, or for holiday season.

To vent is not only a loss of valuable energy, but you're also then releasing methane, which is a very, very potent climate gas. That needs to be avoided, and with the Cryoshelter technology, you can safely then leave the car for several days without having that venting issue. It's going to be a very important competitive advantage. With this strategic move, we complement our already significant range of solutions for clean energy transportation and storage, and now also have liquid technology in our portfolio. In Hexagon Agility for LNG, and in Hexagon Purus for the liquid hydrogen. The technology will take a few more years to develop fully on the hydrogen side.

Talking about Hexagon Purus, they are delivering on their ambitious plan to reach a revenue of NOK 900 million in 2022. In the quarter, we saw pro forma growth year-over-year of 52%. Pro forma because Wystrach in Germany was acquired in Q4 last year, so we did not own that in Q1 last year. They had 62% growth of their business. Also, our legacy Hexagon Purus business had 63% growth, but then there were also internal eliminations between the two companies. As already commented on, Wystrach is already in black figures. Wystrach, just to remind you, that is the systems builder for hydrogen and also for Mobile Pipeline products for the European market.

That business on the hydrogen side has reached a scale which then delivers positive numbers. Also Wystrach was impacted by the supply chain issues, so the margin is lower than it would normally be. Going forward, there will be constraints in the supply of such modules in the European market and worldwide. That is why we expect to see that margin in particular reaching very satisfactory levels in not too distant future. The rest of the business is still in an earlier phase, but approaching the serial deliveries, at which point that business will follow the same path as the Wystrach business and turn in profitable numbers. For now, we are in the growth phase, and we will continue to build out the organization and make all the necessary investments to secure Purus' success.

Finally, a slide on our Chinese JV. It has not been easy, very difficult to travel back and forth, but the partners have still secured progress in the project. We entered into an investment agreement with the city of Xuzhou, which is a bit west of Beijing. We'll ground break, ground now in Q2 and start the construction of the new factory. We made the first commercial agreement, an MoU, with a company called Bravo Transport Services to develop a hydrogen storage concept for their double-deckers for the Hong Kong market. A lot going on. I'll invite David to say a few more things about it and also comment on the outlook for the remainder of the year.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Jon Erik. You know, it's a beautiful thing seeing the breadth of that alternative fuels portfolio, and where Hexagon is definitely a unique one-stop shop. Before I go into the financials, many people will be pleased to note there are no changes year-over-year within our business segments reported in 2021. The only change is branding, so we need to be consistent. On the box, you see Hexagon Agility, that used to be termed G Mobility, and in order to be consistent with our brands for the other segments, Digital Wave, Ragasco, and Purus. Under Hexagon Agility remains the medium and heavy-duty vehicles, the automotive businesses, the Mobile Pipeline business, and also light-duty vehicles from Kassel. All right.

Highlights, Q1 2022, NOK 731 million in revenues. That's a very solid quarter from Hexagon Agility, in fact, 39% growth overall. Within that, we actually had a tripling of revenues year-over-year for Mobile Pipeline. Ragasco started with a very strong quarter, NOK 162 million in revenues, including increased deliveries to Europe and North America. For Hexagon Digital Wave, they posted NOK 15 million in revenues for 36% growth, and that's across all their technologies. Last but not least, Hexagon Purus, as Jon Erik just covered, 52% pro forma growth, and also they can boast a very strong order backlog. The market is valuing our 73% ownership in Purus currently at NOK 5.1 billion.

For Hexagon then, excluding Purus, we did NOK 913 million in revenues over NOK 690 million same period last year. That 32% growth as we covered across all segments. EBITDA NOK 84 million versus the NOK 87 million last quarter or the quarter last year. You can see the adverse margin development. That is expected, and it's really a result of our higher sales prices, which we have negotiated now. They are lagging behind the higher input costs, and I'll go into that in a little bit more detail. Also remember we have a components-related standstill that impacting the light-duty vehicles, so that continues. Both are effects from the pandemic, again exacerbated by the war in Ukraine.

The key message for us is that overall market demand remains very strong, with again, high backlog for 2022, and you can see that in our revenue performance. Going into Agility, you see the same pattern, Agility doing the NOK 731 million in revenues, versus NOK 527 same period last year. Really driven again, robust North American truck market, the refuse market beginning to pick up again, which is good, and similarly for medium-duty year-over-year. Again, Mobile Pipeline tripling its revenues. Certainly the recovery is now seen as sustained. If you look at the shares of revenues on the right there, you'll see very healthy domination from the heavy and medium-duty truck sector.

Transit bus at 22% is very significant, and refuse truck again going from single digits last year now up to the double digits, 11%. That's a healthy bounce back for refuse. Of course, Mobile Pipeline taking a large share this year, in quarter one this year, 22%, and 8% in the light-duty vehicles. That is really primarily sales of cylinders to Hexagon Purus. You saw the Hexagon Purus numbers, particularly in distribution modules, increasing significantly, and we've been supplying cylinders to Purus. On the margin, we see NOK 52 million versus NOK 58 million. Again, four percentage points drop in margin, and it's really the same issue.

As we communicated last quarter in Hexagon Agility, if I break down the automotive business first, the automotive business has very many long-term agreements, typically about three years in length. These are quite notoriously difficult to increase prices. We have got that now in place, and they will begin to kick in from some point in Q2, and certainly to the much larger scale in Q3 and Q4. On the Mobile Pipeline side of things, it's the same issue. Coming into 2022 with very heavy backlog similar to automotive. Their backlog covers the first half of the year. By the time we can deliver on newly increased prices on new orders, that will be the second half of the year for Mobile Pipeline.

In Hexagon Agility, starts off with adverse margin development first quarter. Should get progressively better in quarter two, and then certainly large steps up in Q3 and Q4. We expect the run rate coming out of Q4 to have restored margins as well. On Ragasco, similar picture, solid start to the year, 10% revenue growth for the quarter to NOK 162 million. On the EBITDA, you see we posted NOK 33 million versus the NOK 34 million last year. Again, same picture, less margin, less adverse margin development, and that's because Hexagon Ragasco were able to already pass a first wave of price rises already in Q1 that started January.

Unfortunately, we underestimated the cost increases, and costs have further increased from Q4 levels through Q1. We have actually implemented a second wave of sales prices that already taken effect in Q2. We'll see a restoration of Ragasco's margins at a quicker pace than Hexagon Agility. Again, same issue there, higher material input costs, particularly glass fiber and resin. Unlike North America, who source most of their components in North America, Hexagon Ragasco source glass fiber from China, so it's also increased transport costs that we've seen in Q1. The other thing we've seen in Europe, as people in Europe are no stranger to, is significantly higher energy costs.

The energy cost of operation in Ragasco has also been significantly higher, particularly Q4, but even increased in Q1. For Digital Wave, here we posted revenues of NOK 15 million versus the NOK 11 million same quarter last year. Very good year-over-year growth. If I break down two of the main drivers in the revenue line, it's the Modal Acoustic Emission technology. That is a service offering, so we own the inspection equipment, and we are able to take that to the application and actually do re-qualifications, testings, in a non-invasive way. We don't have to break down the, for example, mobile pipelines. We will also do it ultimately in a much faster way, meaning less downtime of the asset for the customer. Also, ultrasonic examinations. This is more a typical product sale.

We build machines, testing equipment, and then we package these and sell these to customers around the world, Europe, North America, South America. On the EBITDA side there, we see similar EBITDAs year-over-year, -4% versus -3%. That's because even though we've had the higher sales, we are continuing to increase the organization in order to develop the next product pipelines. Move our attention to the group. I covered on the left-hand side the Hexagon excluding Purus results, close to NOK 1 billion in revenues, and NOK 84 million in EBITDA. That is the mature and profit generating business. In the middle, Hexagon Purus, it's still a fully consolidated subsidiary of ours, and those go into the group numbers.

You can see very terrific revenues, NOK 159 million, but also increased EBITDA of NOK -93 million as the organization continues to grow and chase those opportunities. Of course, when we consolidate these into the group numbers to the far right, we can see, excuse me, NOK 1 billion in revenues, but that negative margin that Jon Erik mentioned. Summarizing Q1, certainly on the P&L side, there is strong demand and backlog across the board, and that's despite the supply chain disruption. The supply chain challenges and inflation continue, and they are temporarily reducing margins. But the margin improvement then is expected, particularly in Hexagon Agility, throughout the year as higher sales prices take effect and Ragasco already from Q2. On the balance sheet, we're almost at NOK 7 billion.

The main factor of increase since the end of the year is the private placement in Hexagon Purus, so new equity injected into Purus. You can see on the left-hand side then Purus closed the quarter with NOK 0.9 billion in cash, and NOK 0.1 billion for Hexagon. On the right-hand side, interest-bearing debt has gone up with. I use that to fund primarily the equity injection, and we are left with a very strong balance sheet equity ratio of 50%. Just a reminder, in December, we signed a new even more flexible financing package, and we are already getting the benefit of that. We have temporarily increased leverage due to the equity injection, but you will see us progressively reduce that in due course.

I guess what people want to know is what the outlook is for 2022. Again, just a reminder, this is full- year guidance. At the start of the year, we will go into all the main drivers of our business segments, starting with Hexagon Agility and the medium and heavy-duty vehicles market. We see no change to the momentum that we're seeing in renewable natural gas and CNG solutions, and again, buoyed by a bounce back in refuse truck to add to the truck heavy duty, long-haul truck and transit bus momentum that we've seen for a couple of years now. On top of that, we also have a medium duty increases from our large customer, UPS. Same disclaimer at the bottom of the page.

On the Mobile Pipeline side of things, as I mentioned, we've now had three successive quarters on high levels of revenue, so we are in a position that we can say we're fully recovered from COVID-19, at least in terms of demand. On the strong order book, we've had distribution units for principally RNG, production utilities, also other gases such as helium. What's particularly pleasing is the mobile refueling units. This is a new application for us in 2021. Some of our big customers, then we help them to optimize their keep their fleets running, hub and spoke constructs, using these smaller mobile refueling units to actively do that. Again, a little disclaimer there.

There have been delays to chassis again, related to components, steel, etc. The component shortage continues to affect the light duty vehicles, so no changes there. We're hoping for then some improvement expected by the second half of 2022. Until then, we're busy, as we say, manufacturing cylinders for Purus. Hexagon Ragasco always remains very resilient in its demand picture despite what's happening in the world. Through 2022, we expect several introductory orders. We had some impressive ones in 2021. You remember Philippines. This time, we've already had orders for CAGOGAS, which is the third-largest German LPG marketer. Germany is a very large and important market for us, and, to date, we haven't had a strong foothold, but this looks promising here.

In the meantime, Ragasco continues to manage these supply chain and raw material challenges, as well as having managed the direct consequences to Russian sales and distribution from the war. The Smart Cylinders pilot program is ongoing. Each successive generation gets better, so that's good. Unfortunately, there are delays to key electronic components. Yeah, the program is ongoing but continuing preparation for launch. Looking very promising for these Smart Cylinders in Ragasco. When we look to Digital Wave, we still see increased demand for the testing side, particularly through the Modal Acoustic Emission, and also solid volume then for customized UE equipment. What's exciting and progressing in the background, and we hope to have some more breakthroughs by the end of 2022.

We are effectively then miniaturizing the technology and fitting these in pilot systems. These are applications not only Mobile Pipeline, but also heavy-duty automotive, trucks, so mobility platforms. These will then give us the data, which will give us the new digital twin concept, allowing us to enable real-time health monitoring and how those tanks are used and of course, fleet management, et cetera. Progress continues there also on smart technologies in Digital Wave. More to come later in the year. I say all of that to say this, that we maintain our initial guidance for 2022 full- year. On the revenue side, that will mean greater than 15% growth. You see the range from NOK 3.7 billion-NOK 3.9 billion.

Also double-digit EBITDA margin, and that's despite these macro-related headwinds. There we have a range of EBITDA of NOK 400 million-NOK 450 million, and the principal reason for that is, no one really knows the cost picture yet. That can continue to increase, or it could reduce. A range of NOK 400 million-NOK 450 million is pertinent there. On that note, I'll ask Jon Erik to sum up.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Thank you, David. In summary, a strong sustainability-driven demand across the company, and a very good order backlog for the remainder of the year. We are, as you understand, very focused on mitigating the supply chain disruptions and the cost increases. We are completing our portfolio of clean fuel storage solutions by investing in Cryoshelter, initially 40%. Longer term, we see the targets of NOK 6 billion revenue in 2025 as highly realistic, and correspondingly NOK 4-5 billion in Hexagon Purus. With that, we will take some questions from the audience. David, please come back up.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Thank you. Okay. Now I'll just remind the audience that if you are in our webcast, please, click on that little iron-orange icon to send your questions. If you have any challenges, you can also send a question to ir@hexagongroup.com. Do we have any questions in the room to start? I do have one or two from the webcast.

Thomas Tanberg Løberg
Director of Investment Banking, SpareBank 1 Markets

Is this on?

Somebody there?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

I think so.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Yes.

Thomas Tanberg Løberg
Director of Investment Banking, SpareBank 1 Markets

Thomas from SpareBank 1 Markets. Do you see any immediate demand, in light of the REPowerEU, as the biomethane targets were pretty front-end loaded, in the growth?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Sorry, you were a bit difficult to hear. Could you repeat, please?

Thomas Tanberg Løberg
Director of Investment Banking, SpareBank 1 Markets

Yeah, sorry. Have you seen any immediate demand effect, especially in the Mobile Pipeline segment, in light of the REPowerEU report, as the targets on biomethane were pretty front-end loaded in the report?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

To be frank, our order book is full for the year. We are not taking more orders in our distribution segments. We will consider capacity expansion in that area. The demand is very strong. I cannot tell if it has been further increased yet, but we are, as you understand, very confident that that will happen. At the same time, it's difficult for companies that have not been in this industry for a long while to develop that capacity. I think it's largely on us to make sure that that capacity gets available to the market.

Thomas Tanberg Løberg
Director of Investment Banking, SpareBank 1 Markets

Yeah. I guess that's suitable for my next question. Is there any update on the CapEx moving forward, considering the increased demand you see?

Speaker 5

No updates to what we've covered before, currently. Yeah.

Thomas Tanberg Løberg
Director of Investment Banking, SpareBank 1 Markets

Okay. Thank you. Just one last, if I'm allowed. On Cryoshelter, can you give us a bit more insight in kind of how far are they from having kind of ramping up commercial sales?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Yeah. In our assessment, we have spent a lot of time analyzing this, we think the technology is ready. There have been pilot trucks on the roads, it has been tested in real operating environment. In the automotive world, you should assume an 18-24 months validation and homologation phase. We are aiming at starting taking orders towards the end of next year, and starting delivering meaningful numbers in 2024. This is on the LNG side. The liquid hydrogen is a longer story, the technology is not yet ready. Even if in principle it's the same, liquid hydrogen is at even lower temperature, - 250 degrees Celsius.

It's not so much the tank technology, but it's all the fittings and the valves and the measurement technology, et cetera, which will take us some more time to develop. Also, we don't see that the industry around us, so refueling stations, other distribution technology is ready. This is an opportunity which we consider will be towards the end of the decade into the 2030s more than in the next ten years.

Thomas Tanberg Løberg
Director of Investment Banking, SpareBank 1 Markets

Okay. Thank you.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Do we have others in the audience here? I can take a question from the digital audience. Jon Erik, apropos of the discussion we just had, will LNG technology cannibalize CNG solutions over time?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

No, not really. This is, as you saw from that slide with the truck configurations, it depends on how trucks are being built. In North America, the most economical solution is CNG, while in Europe it will be LNG. LNG technology will allow us also to enter additional markets. India may be an interesting one, Eastern Europe, also, and also actually the Chinese market. But for now we are focusing on Europe and on North America for this market opportunity. It is nicely divided geographically, with respect to technology choice.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Okay. We have a question here.

Speaker 4

Let's say just for the sake of argument that somebody decides that they wanna buy Hexagon Purus. How integrated and how connected or interconnected are Composites and Purus, and how would it be possible for that to separate those two businesses, say, within a reasonable timeframe, or is that a multi-year track if that happens say promptly?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

No, not really. That separation has actually more or less been completed. Hexagon Purus is an autonomous company. There is cooperation. As you heard from David's presentation, there are intercompany sales, which may continue. We have shared sites still in Germany, but we're building a new site in Germany for Hexagon Purus. We will move into that new site next year. We have a similar situation in Kelowna in Canada, where we're also constructing a new facility now. Already today, I think operationally, the businesses are say 95% separated.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Okay. I'll take another question from the webcast audience. Good morning. Can you comment on the Nikola order? Their truck production is now ramping up, so how will their performance be reflected in Hexagon Purus' performance data for the next 4-8 quarters?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Yeah. That is really a question for the Hexagon Purus management, so they have their presentation on Tuesday. I can only confirm that Nikola is a very important customer for us. Of course, there has been a bit of turmoil around Nikola. We see that they have gotten their act together, a very professional, serious management now. We believe in their plans, and we are prepared to support them with building out our capacity in the U.S. in order to support their volumes going forward.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Okay. Another question from the web audience, directed at you, David. What are the direct implications of the war in Ukraine for Hexagon?

Speaker 5

We, Hexagon Ragasco, has a sales and distribution entity there with six staff. Materially, it's small. Its sales are under 1% of group revenue. However, of course, even though our products are not directly sanctioned, we have stopped exports to distribution in Russia. So that's the consequence. Russia was, it's a small market, but it has been a growing market. Of course, that is the consequence, and it will remain that situation until the situation changes.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Great. Continuing with you, David, do you see further cost escalation throughout the year?

Speaker 5

Unfortunately, I do. We've seen it between Q4 and Q1. These are at high levels. Some of the factors Jon Erik covered, like the China situation. We can imagine transport costs will continue to be affected. We can imagine that with high energy costs, products like carbon fiber will continue to be affected. But again, you know, we're preparing for that, and so of course increasing and passing through those prices to our customers is crucial. We've done most of those steps. We just need to see it run through the financials, as I said, mainly in the back end of the year.

Of course, we've got to be on our toes, and I think we prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Excellent. Back to the LNG, Jon Erik, will additional import of LNG lead to higher growth in LNG trucks?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

That is our view, yes.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Mm-hmm.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

That shift from pipelined LNG to imported seaway primarily probably from the U.S. will additionally stimulate the transition to LNG in the European truck markets.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Mm-hmm. As a follow-up, will LNG technology cannibalize CNG solutions over time?

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

I think I already answered.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Yeah

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

that question.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Yeah.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

The short answer is no.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Yep. Great. Do we have any questions here? No. David, what needs to happen for Hexagon to achieve the top end of the EBITDA guidance, NOK 450 million?

Speaker 5

Same answer really, that our sales prices are affected, which they are, and they'll run through the financials. What we don't know is the cost prices. If the input cost prices continue to rise, you can imagine going lower on that scale. If they stabilize, you can imagine going further up on that scale.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Mm-hmm.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Yeah.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Okay. Yes, we have a question here.

Speaker 4

With regard to that, can you discuss your contracts with respect to cost compensation or cost escalation? Do you have inflation-adjusted contracts, or is it, are you bidding fixed price mostly?

Speaker 5

You want me to take that? Obviously, we can't go into the details of our contracts with our customers. There are contracts, so we have a lot of long-term agreements. There are certain clauses for escalations within a range, of course. Of course, we trade off typically recurring demand and orders for flexibility in changing those contract prices. There are surcharges that we have pushed through immediately, but it's hard negotiation. The good thing is that today's environment, everybody can see what's happening. Yeah, there could be more flexibility, but of course, we think having high demand, high backlog is more than a compensation in this environment.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Mm-hmm.

Karen Romer
SVP of Communications, Hexagon Composites

Excellent. We have no further questions from the web audience. Anything else from this room? Nope. I think we've covered it today. Thank you very much for joining us, and we hope you have a good rest of the day.

Jon Erik Engeset
President and CEO, Hexagon Composites

Thank you.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

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