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Earnings Call: Q1 2019

Apr 26, 2019

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

Morning. I'm pleased to see you all here for our Q1 2019 report. I'll ask you also to enjoy the photo on the screen. This is southern part of Egypt, Aswan, one of the largest, or possibly the largest solar power plant in the world, 2,000 megawatts. We have 400 megawatts, and I think some of that you see here. This is just a small part of the desert. We can expand west to the Atlantic. I mean, there is a lot of space for solar. Some people said that the world hasn't enough space for solar. I think there is sufficient space to cover a lot of electricity needs in the future. The agenda, as usual, I get the opportunity to talk a little bit about the highlights and product updates. Mikkel will take you through the numbers.

Finally, I'll go through some outlook and a small summary. We are, as we were last quarter, on a pretty steep growth path. This manifests itself in the numbers. The reported revenues are a bit higher than NOK 1.5 billion, with an EBITDA result of NOK 315 million. We are in the middle of a high activity within the construction segment, constructing projects or plants at four continents, and almost NOK 1.3 billion in revenues, and then NOK 159 million on the bottom line. Power generation reached the highest level ever, which should be expected, of 133 gigawatt hours. That's up 50% over last year. This should have been even a bit higher, but we were being affected by some bad weather in Brazil and Malaysia. We have also added another 152 megawatts to our backlog. I'll get back to that on a separate slide. This is in Ukraine.

We have secured our first project, including batteries in Africa. I also will share a slide with you with some more details later on in the presentation. It's very nice to see that the first out of six projects in Egypt is connected on time. Also here, I will show you another slide. Actually, this is the slide. This is 400 megawatts. It is the largest plant with bifacial production, meaning that we are producing electricity from the backside of the panels. The indirect light that is hitting the ground hits the back of the panels, is actually transformed into additional energy. An anticipated increase of almost 10% and maybe even more, this is what we're going to figure out. You should expect us to actually implement more and more bifacial panels on the future projects.

This is adding competitive technology elements to a solar power plant. We have six projects. You see the bottom line there, or the schedule. First is connected, and then sequentially over the next few months, you will see the remaining plants being connected, and then we'll be producing for their contracted period. Ukraine. We decided a year and a half ago that Ukraine is an extremely interesting market for us. They were in extreme need for additional electricity, and they had a policy approved by the government for renewables. We said, "This is something for us." They only have a 10-year feed-in tariff. That is the basis when we're doing our financial analysis. Progressovka is 152 megawatts. It's in a very southern part of Ukraine, very good solar conditions, and it will have a capital expenditure of EUR 150 million.

If you look at the totality of what we have at the moment, we have a total portfolio of 500 MW. Two projects is in construction already. Another 326, including Progressovka, is in our backlog. Most of these projects are anticipated, or should be anticipated, a completion by end of the year. One or two may go into 2020, of course, we're trying to build as fast as we can. Then we have an additional pipeline of 100 MW. Kyiv is, I guess, what South Africa was for us, or Ukraine. South Africa was for us in 2010, 2011. We are constructing, developing projects while we're building an organization. Right now, we have about 50 people, not counting the people out there on the field that are working for us.

This will develop into, I think, an execution hub for the region, I think also for Europe. There's a lot of competent people there, and those of you who follow the IT industry know that they are very competent on the IT side, but also mechanical engineers and civil engineers, very high quality and very cost competitive. I think this is very interesting and good news for our organization. Now, if you look at the rest of the projects that we have under construction, this is 1,000 MW. Remember, we are only operational by 500+ MW at the moment. Egypt, we have 335 MW to go. We have proven that we are able to deliver on time, and also here, as on all our projects, we have 80%-90% of unskilled workers.

By the right training, by the right attitude, and by the right systems for focus on HSSE, you can deliver these projects according to plan. South Africa, northern part of South Africa, nearby Upington, these projects are well on the way as well, and they should be connected towards the end of the year, and maybe a little bit into 2020. We have Jazan and Masharoq. Burgan is already connected. We are in the final testing stages of Jazan and Masharoq, and we are also anticipating the connection of these projects very soon. They are slightly behind the original schedule, the contracted period for supply of electricity will remain the same. We're not eating into any of the contract length. Argentina, this is together with Equinor, 50/50.

We have prepared everything now, we can start erection of the equipment and then panels and inverters and that kind of thing. Ukraine, I talked about. You see the first project, the Rengy project, is mechanically almost complete. Redsol, Malaysia, very early. This is the project we won in competition with a lot of other players, and that is also under construction. We have Mozambique. This is also mechanical complete, and we're doing in the final testing. We were extremely fortunate to not be hit by the hurricane that hit Africa, the worst natural disaster that Africa has ever actually seen. We are directing some of our funds to try and assist with some of the needs that the people have in the region. Sustainability, and I've covered this a bit before, I think it's important to address in every quarter.

It's an integrated part of our business. It's not only to be a good corporate citizen, it's also risk mitigating. We interface very early with the local communities. We have tried to develop strong community relations. We involve them in the planning. We let them have input to the programs that we're going to work together with them on during construction, but also during the contracted period up to 25 years. It also allows us to facilitate strong partnerships, both at the project level, but also at the corporate level. I know this has given us a competitive advantage. We used to have 7 out of the sustainability goals as things we wanted to compare us to. We have focused now this into 4 to have an even stronger impact. Number 1 is quality education. I have a separate slide on that a bit later.

Affordable and clean energy. We will probably most likely also provide a lot of these villages with free solar and battery power. This is in the working at the moment, and we will report back to you once this is put into operation. Decent work and economic growth, then partnerships for the goals. We are a partnership company. One of our values is actually collaboration or working together. This fits very well with our business philosophy. Take a look at quality education. Local programs, just to mention a couple, Jordan English Language Lab to help people to learn English language, then again to create jobs. They will use that language to establish a platform to apply for jobs where the English language is needed.

Honduras, it's a bit strange, but the women were extremely interested to learn about Health, Safety, and Environment on a different level than the industrial level. This is more on a local level. South Africa, we're trying to create businesses where they can actually move on their own after the program sort of fizzles out. We have 60 entrepreneurs that receive business administration training. Then 1 that isn't there. 5 years ago, we established a relationship with Stellenbosch University, just north of Cape Town. We established together with the university a support program for renewable energy. We sponsored a chair. We also put up bursaries to help students that couldn't afford a program. We made up our mind to offer our plants as sort of a research lab.

This has been going on now for 5 years, I'm in the steering committee, I'm extremely impressed when I meet the master and doctor students, what they've achieved. In fact, some of the results that they have managed to conclude on is being implemented into our plants at the moment. We have hired some of them, but they are also building an industry in South Africa, not only for South Africa, but also for export. By the way, our operations in South Africa is actually working on our plants around the world. Viggo?

Mikkel Tørud
CFO, Scatec

Thanks, Raymond. Before I dig into the details, I thought I could reflect a bit on the financial results and the performance of our company over the last few years. I think the graph here to the right is quite telling. We have, over the last 12 months, generated about NOK 5.7 billion of revenues and an EBITDA of close to NOK 1.2 billion. The free cash flow back to us, the SSO equity, is about half of that, NOK 639 million, as you can see. The growth has been tremendous, and as we will grid connect and construct new plants, this is set to continue. This is really driven by the team. If I reflect a bit on this, we have now a project development team with a very strong track record of consistently converting our pipeline into fully financed, construction-ready projects.

We have historically converted about 50% of our pipeline into operating power plants. I think that's really an important driver, obviously. Our EPC team is continuing to deliver solid margins under very challenging environments and complex conditions, I would say. As Raymond also mentioned, it's a strong focus on HSSE and compliance in all of what we're doing here. We believe that this experience and competence that we're building here is really creating a lasting competitive advantage for us in winning new business. Our asset portfolio is really broadening and growing. Through these power purchase agreements, we lock in these cash flows for many years. If you look at the current operating plans, the average remaining tenure of these PPAs are 17 years, and that is set to grow. We will add more to that as we connect new plants, obviously.

Finally, we have a strong focus on operations and asset management. We make sure that we always optimize plant performance, and we're a long-term investor. I think that is also a mindset that influences the way we design the plants and how we conduct our EPC. I think we see both our partners and our customers really recognizing that perspective when we develop our plants. Now, focusing on the Q1 results, Raymond mentioned it, NOK 1.5 billion of revenues and NOK 315 million of EBITDA. Both revenues and EBITDA is up threefold compared to the same period last year. Construction activity remains high. The power production EBITDA is up 58% compared to last year. Looking at power production, NOK 208 million of revenues and EBITDA NOK 168 million. Over the last 12 months, we had revenues of close to NOK 700 million and EBITDA of NOK 555 million.

Production ended at 133 gigawatts in this quarter compared to 68 gigawatts last year. These are all numbers based on our ownership share in the power plants, our proportionate ownership. The growth here is driven by grid connection of new plants in Brazil and Malaysia. As mentioned, we have had an impact of the weather conditions that has been extreme in a negative sense, unfortunately, in Brazil in particular, but also in Malaysia in this quarter. That is why we also came in a bit on the low end of the production guidance. Obviously, we will see further growth here as we grid connect the new plants, as we have already talked about. When it comes to O&M, operations and maintenance, it's still really steady operations. We see some increase in revenues as we have new plants connected.

We see normally a seasonally low revenue and EBITDA in Q1. It is related to the contract structures we have in South Africa. We will see a somewhat lower margin on the O&M side if you look at the overall numbers when we connect new plants, because the margins that we have on new contracts is somewhat lower than the historic contracts on the O&M business. Development Construction. It is reflecting, of course, the broad portfolio of projects that we are now constructing. Accumulated progress across this portfolio was 53% at the end of the first quarter. The project development team is continuing to mature a number of opportunities, as Raymond also will talk more about. We will grid connect Merchang and Jasin, the last two project in Malaysia, now in the second quarter.

We will reach COD for the project in Mozambique in the second quarter, there will be one or two sites in Egypt that we also expect to reach a commercial operation now in the second quarter. A lot of activity in this quarter. 14% gross margin. It is fluctuating a bit, as you can see, but still fairly stable, and that is reflecting the mix of projects that we are constructing. There is, of course, slightly different margins across that portfolio. Financial position. Oops. We saw the total assets closing in at close to NOK 16 billion on a consolidated basis, up about NOK 1 billion since the end of last year. Continuing to invest CapEx, obviously, that is driving that increase. On the table to the left, total cash on a consolidated basis, NOK 2.8 billion. Free cash, close to NOK 800 million.

We have expanded our revolving credit facilities by about NOK 275 million to NOK 775 million now in April. This is a facility that remains undrawn, but it is good for us to have some working capital support as we continue to have a large portfolio of construction activities. Group level book equity, as we have defined it in our loan agreements, is strengthened further to NOK 3.3 billion, up by NOK 200 million since the end of last year. Looking at the movement of the free cash at the group level throughout the first quarter. We received NOK 73 million of dividends distributions from the operating power plants. That is a consistent performance there. D&C, NOK 128 million. This is an EBITDA-derived number.

We invested about NOK 114 million of new equity in projects in Malaysia and Ukraine, we spent about NOK 12 million on developing new projects, CapEx on new projects in backlog and pipeline. We saw some reversal of the working capital compared to the last quarter, NOK 300 million related to the construction portfolio. We will expect that to fluctuate a bit quarter-on-quarter. As I said, the construction portfolio is still at a fairly high level. Cash balance ended then at NOK 785 million. Back to our guidance. The 2019 O&M revenues and EBITDA margin guidance is the same as we had last quarter, NOK 110 million-NOK 120 million and around 30% EBITDA margin. The D&C contract value of the 1 gigawatt under construction is about NOK 7 billion. It remains NOK 3.3 billion to be recognized going forward.

On power production, we here present the guidance for the second quarter and full year, reflecting the power plants that are currently in operation by the end of Q1. Obviously, as we connect new plants, as I talked about, we will lift these numbers further throughout 2019. I will leave it to you then, Raymond.

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

Thank you. While I was listening to Mikkel, I just came to think about our HSSE numbers that was reported the other day. Just to share with you, on a 12-month rolling basis, we have had almost 10 million man-hours. That's a lot of people working for us at the moment. The lost time index, meaning how many days you are away per million work man-hours, is 1.7. Those of you who know the Norwegian oil and gas industry or in the construction industry, you know that is not high. It's actually very low. The sick leave is less than 1%, it's 0.9%. It's a bit lower than the average in this country. You may question if these are exact numbers, and they may not be 0.9%, it could be 2%, but it's very low.

It means that the people that start working for us, they don't want to be sick at home. They want to work. Of the very interesting project, extremely interesting opportunity. Don't count this in megawatts, but as an opportunity. We are now partnering with the UN. When I say partnering, meaning that there is an ambition in the partnering wording here. It's one project. That is actually to assist the UN in saving money, actually. On top of that, you get free reduction in the CO2 outlets. UN spends almost NOK 5 billion, or more than NOK 5 billion a year transporting diesel into these far away camps at, to a certain extent, great risk, but absolutely essential.

On one of these projects, we are replacing up to 80% of that diesel that is being consumed by reducing the transport, but adding solar panels and batteries. I think this is extremely interesting, just realizing how much money that can be spent elsewhere than on diesel by actually implementing renewable energy. It's amazing. This is also linked to a new business concept of ours that we will share the details with you a bit later in the year, because there are a lot of opportunities in the space that are sort of in between rooftops and utility scales. We are not on rooftops, we are on utility scale.

Here we are extremely, I wouldn't say hopeful, we are extremely optimistic about the future and how we can actually add a lot of electricity to the market, not in terms of megawatts, but in terms of actually reducing the cost. Now I'm talking about not supplying a kilowatt hour at $0.30 per delivered hour of power at the $0.30 per kilowatt hour. We're talking about actually delivering power not only to the UN, but to villages and those faraway villages at levels where they can afford it. Talking about $0.10, $0.15 or maybe less per kilowatt hour delivered. We are extremely optimistic about it, and it has only positives to it. We've sort of been a bit brave here, saying that Scatec Solar, a global solar power company.

Actually, maybe we are not brave because if you look at all these spots spread around the solar belt of the world, we are a global company. You see that we have offices in Honduras, Tegucigalpa, in Recife, in Brazil, in Amsterdam, in Paris, headquarters where we're sitting right now, in Cairo, big organization there, in Amman, Jordan. Our control center execution arm in Cape Town, in Maputo, Mozambique. A big operation is under construction on the back of the project in Malaysia. You look at the plants under construction, the 1,000 megawatts and the backlog and pipeline spread around. Of course, these spots are not there on their own. These actually represent people that are following these opportunities, that are decoding, deciphering the opportunities into something that we put into our pipeline and put in our backlog, and later we'll construct.

It should give you a view into how we are expanding our business, and we are ready to entertain growth that will hopefully come. The market is not stopping up, and you can see that in statistics from all over. The solar power market is going to increase. I saw statistics towards 2050, solar is going to take 65% of that on the renewable side. Wind is going to take 15%-20%. It's very interesting, and comforting to a certain extent. Maybe different, it will be different solutions, not only utility scale. It will be distributed. It'll be different ways of actually providing solar power.

I believe that our track records puts us into position to take advantage, not in terms of market share, but in terms of picking the project that is fitting our profile, our competent profile, our execution profile, and the way that we would like to operate in a very responsible manner. If you look at us right now, we are constructing plants 1,000 megawatts. That means that while we're delivering on this, we have the people, the competence and the partnerships, which gives us a capacity at the moment of around 1,000 megawatts per year. We have given a guidance of 3,500 megawatts by end of 2021. The world doesn't stop there, we wanted to let you know that, well, we're going to stay around for a while.

We anticipate that we will stay at the growth path that we have at the moment. Rather staying there, we have an ambition to grow further. That's where we're at at the moment, and when we're growing further, of course, we will add more people, high-quality people, partnerships and that kind of thing. Yeah, it's a journey. It looks like an uphill journey. It's not. It's a good journey. I think I'll just conclude my presentation, and Mikkel and I are ready for any questions from the net or from you all.

Andreas Bertelsen
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Andreas Bertelsen, Kepler Cheuvreux. Two questions on your final slide there, Raymond. Obviously, you will continue to grow at pace of 800 MW to 1.2 GW. Is it fair? What I'm wondering is, you've previously communicated the breakdown of your pipeline, bilateral feed-in tariff, project tenders, price tenders. Looking beyond 2021, as you do now, could you give us an indication on how this wheel might turn?

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

I don't really want to preempt our next capital update, but I think you should expect us to give you more feedback on that. I think the wheel that you have seen, the split, is not going to change dramatically. You will see probably like the UN type of projects, smaller projects with a higher contribution per MW than what we have seen in the past, but different solution, more a solution provider. In this case, it will be a combination of PV storage and diesel that is there. If you look at Africa, 250 GW of installations of these engines are there already. Think about the potential to reduce the spending on diesel by 80% is a lot, but by 10%, by 20%, it's a tremendous saving. Those that are not looking at those opportunities are not doing their job.

That wasn't exactly what you wanted me to say. I'm trying my best.

Speaker 5

Close enough.

Mikkel Tørud
CFO, Scatec

My second sort of follow-up obviously on this question is, you have given us kindly a sort of indicative ratio of your million NOK per megawatt profitability, and I guess the fact that it's falling is what drives the growth. It has to fall. This is why I'm asking about the mix. Are you seeing this continuing on trend, or are you expecting, as you say, through shifts to combining battery, corporate PPAs, that this could sort of level out instead of continuing down with the same trend?

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

We are looking at projects now that are outside the range. Outside the upper range. When you're looking at different solutions, you should also expect that.

Andreas Bertelsen
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

These projects can justify sort of the size of a gigawatt per year run rate for you?

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

I wouldn't say that at the moment.

Andreas Bertelsen
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, thanks.

Speaker 5

Solar panels, I guess that's a big part of your CapEx. What about the sourcing of that, and how is the development, the price decrease, and the effect of the solar panels? Following up that, do you have any plan to replace old technology with new technology solar panels?

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

In fact, solar panels is less important than what it used to be. It used to be 50%, 60% or more. The price of the panels have dropped 90-plus % since I joined in 2009. That's why the market is growing tremendously as well. Today, I think the panels are maybe 30%, but everything else has dropped. Then you add the bifacial, and you can sort of add another 10% in performance improvement. If you don't look at bifacial, just look at one face. The improvements there also have been tremendously. If you look at our plants in South Africa, Kalkbult, they could have been 40% less space-consuming than what the technology is today, and that's a one-to-one. Then you can take that out as a direct reduction in the price that you pay per kilowatt hour. This will continue.

The solar industry is still a very young industry. I think the price will continue to go down. Right now, we are buying solar panels at $0.25 per kilowatt peak. I don't know, that is hard to explain.

Mikkel Tørud
CFO, Scatec

Cents per watt.

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

Yeah, per watt. It used to be $2. That's the development we're talking about. I think the cost is going to continue to go down. This is going to be so cost competitive if you only look at the panels, that the price is not going to be too interesting. The customer will, and I think we can see ourselves in similar situations, you're looking at more as a total solution than the actual price of the panel itself or the price per kilowatt hour. You're looking at stable access to electricity. You may be looking at different services that you add. There is grid stability opportunities. There are many different things. The purchasing pattern of the buyers of electricity at different parts of the world will change. Then you have also different markets.

In Europe, you're replacing dirty old electrons with green new ones, which is interesting itself. Right now, solar panels in Europe, even though the sun is not up that many hours a year, is competing with all types of technologies. It's even better elsewhere where they need new electrons, where they don't have electricity at the moment. An interesting world.

Lars Ove Skorpen
Director of Power and Renewable Energy, Pareto Securities

Lars Skorpen Pareto. Could you explain the economics of bifacial panels? Does it always increase the IRR? In case, what's the magnitude?

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

Can you handle this, or?

Mikkel Tørud
CFO, Scatec

Sure.

Yeah, there's two ways of looking at that, of course. The bifacial panels, as Raymond indicates, is giving us a 10% increased yield. Obviously, it depends on the reflection from the ground, and that is in the desert environment, quite advantageous. In other ground conditions, it's not the same effect, obviously. You can use that extra 10% to produce more or basically reduce the size of the plant for the same capacity or same production volume. That's how we look at that. We will look at this for some new projects now. The customers are sometimes putting a limitation on the capacity that you can feed into the grid or the production that you can feed into the grid. You will basically use that to downsize the plant somewhat and reduce the CapEx. If you don't have that limitation, you would basically produce more.

Of course, it's costing somewhat more, those panels, but net effect is.

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

Positive

Mikkel Tørud
CFO, Scatec

obviously positive for a business case. Yeah.

Raymond Carlsen
CEO, Scatec

If you want to learn more about reflection, look at the albedo effect. Look it up on Google, and then you will understand that it will vary between seven or up to 35%, but not necessarily directly as improvement in electricity production. Actually, the best place to put panel is on top of snow. Of course, the sun isn't there always.