Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Aug 9, 2021

Good day. Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Second Quarter 2021 Luna Innovations Incorporated Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Ms. Allison Woody, Director of Administration. Ma'am, the floor is yours. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today. This afternoon, we issued our Q2 2021 earnings press release. In addition, we posted to the Investor Relations section of our website a presentation with supplemental information for the quarter. If you do not have a copy of the release or the supplemental materials, please check our website at lunainc.com. We will also post a replay of this call to our website. Some of our comments and discussions today are based on non GAAP measures. These adjusted numbers exclude the effect of certain non cash expenses and other items. The adjusted results are a supplement to the GAAP financial statements. Luna believes the presentation and exclusion of these items is useful in order to focus on what we deem to be a more reliable indicator of ongoing operating performance. Before we proceed with our presentation today, let us remind you that statements made on this conference call as well as in our public filings, releases and website, which are not historical facts, may be forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are subject to changes at any time, including but not limited to statements about our expectations regarding future operating results or the ongoing prospects of the company. Actual results may differ materially as a result of a variety of factors. More complete information regarding forward looking statements, risks and uncertainties is available in the company's SEC filings, which can be found on the SEC website and our website. We disclaim any obligation to update any such factors or to announce publicly the results of any revisions to any of the forward looking statements to reflect future events or developments except as required by law. After our prepared remarks, Scott Graeff, our President and Chief Executive Officer Gene Nextro, our Chief Financial Officer Brian Soller, our Chief Operating Officer and James Garrett, Senior Vice President and General Manager of our Luma Labs division will be available to take your questions. And at this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Scott. Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for taking the time to join our call. I'm excited to be with you today announcing record revenue for the quarter and significant progress in the integration of our largest acquisition, OptiSense. I shared with you last quarter this was going to be a year of focused blocking and tackling for Luna, essentially an inflection point where we are building on all processes and systems we put in place throughout 2020 and which will allow us to scale well into the future. In addition, we will continue to invest in our business through this year and into 2022 because we see an abundance of opportunities for strong and rapid growth. In order to bring discipline to evaluating the vastness of these opportunities, we created a new role, the Senior Vice President and Head of Strategy. As you may have seen, at the end of Q2, we announced that Bhaskar Banerjee joined the Luna team, adding to our bench strength in support of and maximization of our profitable growth, both organically and through acquisition. We will continue to be an acquisitive company, sharply focused on building our capability and expertise in fiber. And of course, we will only do those deals that make sense from both a financial and cultural perspective. One of our key priorities will always be the prudent and thoughtful deployment of capital. Last quarter, we made leadership changes in sales, operations and human resources. And I believe that incrementally adding VASHCAR to the team positions us well with the leadership we need to execute value creating strategic moves. It was critical that we get the right people into the right positions so that we are prepared to adjust quickly to changing market conditions and customer needs as well as innovating with speed. A few weeks ago, I brought our leadership team together in person for the first time and I had a couple of goals in mind for this meeting. First, I felt it was important for us to spend time together to begin to build a foundation of collaboration and trust. 2nd, we began to work on our updated strategic plan, laying out the landscape ahead of us and beginning to categorize what we see as near, medium and long term opportunities. I'm pleased to say the meeting was a huge success. As I looked around the room, I was grateful for the amount of talent we added to our management team in such a short period of time. I now believe I have the right people around the table. I am also inspired by the impact our products have on our customers and society, whether it's making bridges and dams safer or 5 gs networks more reliable or securing key government and private industry assets, Luna's products help make the world a better and safer place. Luna has interesting options and I want to give you some visibility into how we think about them. We sit in rarefied air with the applications of our fiber technology nearly limitless. While this is incredibly exciting for both near and long term growth, it also requires careful planning. It would be easy to get distracted by trying to chase every possible application of our technology. So ironically, we are being challenged in a very good way to be extremely thoughtful about where we can achieve near term success with existing resources, while strategically planning for medium and longer term market expansion. Thankfully, we have a strong team and excellent support and guidance from our Board to help us navigate this balancing act. Luna is extremely well positioned to take advantage of the growing needs across multiple industries for solutions built on the benefit of fiber sensing technology. We are the market leader with thousands of systems deployed and operating in the field today. Our sensing solutions are already deployed globally to monitor critical infrastructure like bridges, tunnels, dams, roads, railways and pipelines, where we give operators and municipalities access to critical information regarding the health and status of their assets. We stand ready with time proven solutions to improve the safety and security of infrastructure as new market drivers emerge. The announcement last week by the U. S. Senate of a $1,200,000,000,000 infrastructure bill is a good example of OneStutch potential driver. Details need to be addressed before any funds tied to that bill make their way to Luna, but I wanted to give you all a flavor for our strong position in this space and our readiness to take advantage of the changing trends. One recent and relevant example comes to mind. Last month, we closed a sale for the use of our OpsaSense sensor and fiber optic sensors to early warning system for a large dam in South America. I use this example because there are thousands of similar dams globally that could also benefit from our technology. And as you've heard me say before, we're just getting started. We will focus on resources where the most value can be created in the short term, while strategically planning for the long term. Obviously, customer input and collaboration is key to this. And we know from experience that this approach leads to the most robust success. Another example is where we collaborated with Lockheed Martin using our OBR6200. In this case, we solved critical issues which ultimately led to Luna being the sole source supplier of measurement technology for the F-thirty five. I want to share a few more thoughts about our long term prospects and some trends that we're seeing as well as the impact of COVID before I get into the specifics of the results for the Q2. As we've discussed before, Luna does have some seasonality in its business, typically earning from 44% to 46% of full year revenue in the first half and the first half of twenty twenty one was no different. We delivered 44% at the midpoint of our guidance range and are on track for the year, which is why we are comfortable reaffirming the March 2021 guidance range at this time. And as a reminder, that guidance is total revenue of $122,000,000 to $127,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA of $16,000,000 to $19,000,000 We continue to see some very good strength across the totality of our sales pipeline. I mentioned last quarter some changes to our organizational structure, including several promotions within the team to create tighter management of sales across the portfolio, allowing us to capture the potential in the pipeline. Certainly, we are still seeing impacts from the ongoing pandemic, which affects timing of sales cycles as well as certain parts of our supply chain. In fact, I want to highlight something that we have not seen previously with respect to both our supply chain and to our sales cycles. This affects our business in several ways. First, it makes it more difficult for us to get the components we need to assemble our products and ship to customers. 2nd, it affects our customers' ability to take deliveries of our products as they're waiting on delivery from other parts of their supply chain. 3rd, the more general disruptions that come from COVID like travel limitations can delay our project work in the field, which in turn delays our ability to recognize that revenue. And lastly, I will note that as many have felt in the first half of twenty twenty one, these factors that have a particularly large impact on our sales operations in Asia throughout the 1st part of the year. This has not to date materially affected our ability to deliver product to customers on time. However, we are getting indications that some parts which we would normally receive in a number of days are taking longer. We continue to keep a close eye on the supply chain and any potential impact on our capacity to manufacture. We could potentially be affected by this if timing of deliveries do not revert back to a more typical delivery pattern. Now I'd like to move on to some of the financial highlights for the Q2. For the Q2 of 2021, total revenues were up 50% to $27,900,000 compared to the prior year's quarter. For the first half, revenues were up 52% versus the first half of last year. I think it's important to note if we look at growth in terms of apples to apples or as if we owned OptiSense at the beginning of 2020, organic growth for Q2 was over 20% and the first half of twenty twenty one was in the mid teens. The Lightwave segment had an increase of 70% year over year to $22,000,000 in total revenues. Again, if we looked at growth on an apples to apples basis, Lightwave's organic revenue for Q2 was up nearly 30%. Luna Labs revenue was $6,000,000 up 6% versus Q2 of 2020. We reported an operating loss of $1,000,000 for Q2 2021 versus operating income of $1,800,000 for Q2 2020. The largest driver of this year over year decrease in operating income was the $1,500,000 of integration, transaction and amortization of intangible asset costs relating to our recent completed acquisition as well as continuing portfolio activities. The decrease is also partially due to product mix as we saw stronger levels of sales this quarter in certain products that carry lower margin. Reflecting the same dynamic I just discussed for adjusted EBITDA, we delivered $2,100,000 in Q2 versus $3,000,000 in the prior year period. This resulted in an adjusted earnings per share figure of $0.06 for Q2 2021 compared with $0.06 for Q2 in the prior year period. Now let me discuss Lightwave in more detail. As a reminder, our Lightwave solutions focus on 2 areas, sensing and communications testing. For the Q2 2021, the revenue growth I just mentioned was driven by both the acquisition of OptiSense and strong commercial sales in legacy Lightwave's comms testing business. Let's dig a little deeper into the Sensing segment, which you may recall is a segment where we use the fiber as the physical sensor to create smart materials and structures. Revenues grew by 63% versus Q2 last year, driven by both the acquisition of the OptiSense product lines as well as legacy Luna products. As a reminder, we added the OptiSense Distributed Acoustic Sensing or DAS technology to gain access to fully distributed measurement capabilities over long range applications to augment our already industry leading line of fiber optic sensing products. The addition of long range distributed capability to our offerings establishes Luna as a new global market leader in fiber optic sensing with diversified geographies and applications. While on the topic of OptiSense, we hit important integration milestones in Q2. We successfully completed the integration of the functional support elements, IT, HR, finance that were previously handled under our transition services agreement with Kinetic. We have more integration work in front of us as we look to maximize our growth potential, but the heavy lifting of integrating the back office function is now largely behind us. Staying with our sensing vertical, we made important progress on several strategic growth areas. We saw a significant increase in oilfield activity with campaigns for major North American operators and an extended seismic mapping job in the North Sea. In addition, bidding activity in Canada and the Middle East is increasing. Despite challenges caused by the pandemic, we have delivered a number of major contracts to South American customers for infrastructure monitoring, further positioning Luna as a trusted supplier and recognized world leader within these markets. We made progress in expanding into new markets with traction gained in the telecoms industry. Following an extended period of investigation, a major U. S. Cloud services provider chose to invest in Luna's sensing solution to help monitor their fiber optic networks. And we launched the 6th generation of our acquisition and interpretation platform for linear assets like borders and pipelines. In this release, we feature a simplified layout and display making it easier to use. We also included an auto tuning capability using machine learning, which helps to accelerate setup time. Now switching to communications test vertical. These product lines grew strongly, 79% in Q2 versus the prior year period. For some additional clarity, it's important to know that the Rio laser business acquired through the acquisition of OptiSense is included in our CompsTest results. Without OptiSense, our legacy LUDA comms test business grew more than 40% in Q2 versus last year. With the addition of the Rio laser products and the general photonics products we added in early 2019, this business is now 50% test and measurement for communication devices and 50% optical component and laser modules for a variety of photonic applications such as medical devices, sensing systems and LiDAR. If we look at the legacy part of comms testing, our core products, the OVA and OVR, grew nearly 100% on a year over year basis, driven by a continuation of the strong commercial environment we discussed in Q1 and the continuation of deliveries of our newest product in this category, the OBR6200. You'll remember that last year we announced our partnership with Lockheed Martin and their order for over 100 units in Q4 2020. Our deliveries to Lockheed have proceeded without interruption. In general, comms testing drove significant overall improvement in commercial sales over last year with multiple system sales to large corporate customers. And now let's move on to a discussion of Luda Labs, where as a reminder, we leverage 3rd party contract research to build a portfolio of technologies. These technologies, which are commercialized through direct sales, distributors or license agreements are outside our core strategic fiber optic offerings. In terms of the Q2, Luna Labs saw many positive business indicators as employees returned full time to the office. Government customers were able to travel again and trade shows resumed in person meetings. For Q2 2021, Lutel Labs reported $6,000,000 in revenue, a 6% increase over Q2, 2020. Returning to in person trade shows allows us to reconnect with customers and demonstrate some of the new products we have developed recently. For example, in our existing corrosion monitoring product line, we've made progress expanding aerospace sensors into automotive markets. We recently delivered an order to Jaguar Land Rover in support of a 2 year 400,000 kilometer test across North America. Jaguar Land Rover is using the LunaLab sensors to forecast new material behavior as they investigate next generation lightweight materials. Before I turn it over to Gene for a deeper dive into Q2 results, I want to make a few comments on the continuing effects of the global pandemic, building on the comment I made earlier. Luna's operations have only been slightly affected by COVID-nineteen pandemic thus far in supply chain and in sales cycles. For supply chain, we've largely been able to mitigate risk for electronic parts by building in more safety stock and working closely with our supply partners to ensure delivery. Going forward, we are taking steps to eliminate hard to get parts and replacing those in our designs with parts we know we can more readily source. And industry predictions suggest that we should see some easing of the situation in Q4. While we don't currently predict the situation will adversely affect our results, we want to be clear that we do rely on a steady supply of electronic parts and boards that are increasingly difficult to source. Finally, with regard to the timing of sales cycles, we did see some impact from the pandemic this quarter as certain geographic regions have experienced limited travel and in person meetings. These have only been timing issues and we have seen all affected sales ultimately close. But I did want to mention it, especially in light of recent news about the variant. In summary, I'm extremely pleased with the progress so far this year. We'll continue to focus on fundamental blocking and tackling as well as building for the long term. I'm incredibly grateful for the DeLuna team for their focused work and continue to be confident that we have the right strategy to capitalize on opportunities in our growing markets. I'll now hand the call over to Gene for more of the financial details on the quarter. Gene? Thank you, Scott. Scott mentioned the addition of Gar to our Luna leadership team. I have also strengthened my finance team. Ray Maddy joined Luna a few months ago as our VP of Financial Planning and Analysis. Ray has over 30 years of FP and A and finance experience with well known companies such as Armstrong Industries, TE Connectivity and ShopVac. He has already begun to build our FP and A function to support our continued growth. We also recently added Andy Brown as Corporate Controller. Andy has over 22 years of corporate accounting experience with Advance Auto. I believe we now have a strong finance leadership team to support Luna's growth. Before I proceed, I want to note that our reported numbers include the results of the 2 acquisitions we completed towards the end of last year, Newridge Technologies and OptiSense and their related integration, transaction and amortization expenses. In addition, our results also include expenses related to our continuing portfolio activities. With that as background, I'll now shift to cover our Q2 results. As Scott noted, our revenues for Q2 2021 were $27,900,000 compared to revenues of $18,600,000 for Q2 2020, representing a 50% year over year increase. The increase in revenues was composed of a 70% increase in our Lightwave segment and a 6% increase in our LunaLab segment compared to prior periods. Within the Lightwave segment, year over year growth was driven by our acquired businesses and strong performance from both our sensing and our communications test businesses, including particularly strong commercial sales in our communications test business, resulting in double digit growth. LunaLab showed improvement compared to Q1, growing 6% in Q1 2021 versus Q2 2020. Our gross profit was approximately $14,000,000 for the quarter compared to $9,500,000 for the same quarter last year, representing a gross margin of 50% in Q2 2021 compared to 51% in Q2 2020. Gross margin declined slightly driven in part by higher sales of lower gross margin products in Lightwave. Gross margin in quarters 12 of this year include $168,000 of non cash amortization of inventory step up related to our recent acquisitions. This number will decrease to $100,000 in Q3 $70,000 in Q4, at which point the inventory step up will be fully amortized. Operating expenses were 15,000,000 dollars in Q2 2021 versus $7,700,000 in Q2 2020. This increase was primarily driven by the operating expenses of our recent acquisitions, increased headcount to support our growth, $991,000 of integration and transaction costs related to our recent acquisitions and our ongoing portfolio activities and $320,000 of amortization related to our OptiSense acquisition. We recognized an operating loss of $1,000,000 in Q2 2021 compared to operating income of $1,800,000 in Q2 of last year. As a reminder, the operating loss of $1,000,000 in Q2 2021 includes the amortization in both cost of revenues and operating expenses that I just discussed. Acquisitions are an important part of LENA's strategy and so we will continue to see impacts to gross margin and operating income from these amortization items assuming we continue to be acquisitive. While these amounts are not insignificant, we believe we can drive substantial incremental value to Luna from our acquisitions. To give you a sense of the magnitude, Luna's total amortization expense for the quarter was $773,000 largely driven by our acquisitions. We do disclose annual amortization by year in our 10 Q, so you can refer to it for future amortization expenses. As a reminder, if we acquire additional companies, we expect to have additional amortization related to those acquisitions. Net loss for Q2 2021 was $200,000 or a loss of $0.01 per share compared to net income of $1,400,000 or $0.04 per share for Q2 2020. Income tax benefit for Q2 2021 differs from our statutory rate primarily due to equity compensation. We estimate our 2021 effective tax rate to be 18% to 20%. And finally, a key metric reflecting our underlying operations is adjusted EBITDA. As Scott mentioned, adjusted EBITDA was $2,100,000 for Q2 2021 versus $3,000,000 for Q2 2020. Adjusted EPS was $0.06 per share for Q2 twenty twenty one versus $0.06 for Q2 twenty twenty. Let me now move to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with approximately $12,000,000 of cash and cash equivalents compared to $15,400,000 at the end of 2020. The decrease was largely due to the cash payment of accrued deal related expenses during Q1. Our working capital was $47,800,000 at June 30, 2021, compared to $45,400,000 on December 31, 2020. Remember that at the time of the OptiSense acquisition, we announced a new debt facility comprised of 2 separate financing vehicles, a term facility and a revolving facility. So at the end of the second quarter, we had total debt outstanding of $17,900,000 Of that amount, dollars 10,400,000 is in term debt and $7,500,000 was drawn on our revolver. We have access to an additional $7,500,000 in the revolving credit facility should we need it. I remain comfortable reaffirming our guidance today given the vast opportunities that Luna has in 2021 and beyond. Let me give you some additional color related to how we see the second half shaping up. In terms of revenue for the second half, we expect that revenue will be skewed more towards the 4th quarter. As we mentioned, we expect 54 6% of our full year revenue to occur in the second half of the year. We typically realize about 30% of our annual revenue in the 4th quarter and this year we expect the weighting to be even heavier towards Q4. We have been building backlog in our sensing business throughout the 1st two quarters and when COVID restrictions and supply chain delays ease, we will be better positioned to convert the backlog to revenue. We expect that gross margin will expand slightly in the second half from the Q1 levels as our fixed costs are absorbed across a higher revenue base. We also expect a significantly lower level of integration and deal related costs in the second half of the year versus the first half as the bulk of our integration costs are behind us. In summary, I'll reiterate Scott's comments. In Q2, we continued to work on basic blocking and tackling, refining the back office systems we recently implemented and integrating our recent acquisitions. Importantly, we continue to further invest in the core foundation of our company. Like Scott, I'm also thrilled to welcome our new colleagues to the senior team. They have already begun to dig in and make an impact on our processes and performance. I feel really good about the finance team we now have in place. I feel we now have the right capabilities to support the organization's growth and critical strategic decisions. With that, I will turn the call back over to Scott. Thank you, Gene. At this time, I'd like to open the call for questions. Brian Soller, Chief Operating Officer and James Garrett, Senior Vice President and General Manager of our Luna Labs division are with Gene and me at this time and are also available to address questions. Leah? Thank And your first question comes from the line of Jim Marrone from Singular Research. Please go ahead. Yes. Thank you for taking my call. So my question is just in regards to the affirmation of guidance. And you mentioned that there's headwinds in terms of the supply chain. And so I'm just trying to reconcile that you recognize there's headwinds in the supply chain, but yet you're still reaffirming that guidance. And so maybe if you could just give a little bit of color as far as your justification for reaffirming guidance given those headwinds? And then I'll have Sure. I mean, I'm happy to address that, Jim. So my approach to guidance is open, honest and transparent. What I see in front of me is what I will pass along to shareholders. And I wanted to make reference to some of the things that we had seen that we hadn't seen on the supply side and some of the slippage of the revenue. I was pleased to see that there were some big deals. I referenced that large dam in South America that didn't get done due to some COVID, people in the office, not in the office, not there for us to install, but it did happen in the 1st week of July. We've all been there where we said things have pushed around and pushed out, and then you get to the end of the next quarter and they haven't been done yet. And you realize that was a sales guy kind of telling you something. But what I've seen and what I see laid out strengthens my ability to reaffirm guidance and it's what I see in front of me. And I believe we can work through the supply side and the challenges that we have. Certainly on our side, we're working through them. It's a matter of what will our customers see. And we have certainly reached out to many big customers and talk through what they see and everyone believes that it won't be the strong headwinds that we will see some relief here and not get worse. And with that, all I can do is lay out what I see today. The landscape in front of me supports reaffirming guidance. If I didn't feel like it was that way, I would certainly pull back on it. But that's what we see. We've met as a team. Brian, myself, Gene, all the lieutenants out there that are managing the day to day and we all came back with the same answer. So that's what we chose to go with here today, Jim. All right. I appreciate that. And I also recognize that your second half of the year is typically your stronger part of the year. So I recognize that. But let's just say these headwinds persist. So will that be impacting like top line or bottom line or a combination of the 2? Can you give us a sense of exactly where it's hitting your income statement? Yes. I think it's a combination of both. It all depends where it is. We saw some things here in Q2 and really the first half of the year in getting our sea legs underneath us with OptiSense. There's a lot of fixed costs associated with OptiSense because they don't just sell a product. They sell a product and an installation and a service. So we have folks that are sitting around waiting to go out and do that installation. So if things get delayed and push from 1 quarter to another or they get pushed around from 1 month to another, there are fixed costs that we're having. So if it all depends where the lightness would happen on that revenue, but it could affect both the top and the bottom. We will certainly manage operating expenses. And like Gene said, we won't see a lot of the integration costs that we saw in H1 in the second half now that we are through a lot of those. So we are seeing a lot of strength on the commercial side right now. The commercial environment is super strong. So we're not seeing backed off in our orders, in our commercial activity. It's robust. It's moving things around and being able to go out and deliver on them. Legacy Luna was a lot more, I don't want to say predictable, but just we could see the landscape down there was a matter of getting a product off the dock. With OptiSense, I have to coordinate much, much more with the end customer. Like I said, with that large, very large order of the dam in South America. There's a lot of paperwork involved and you have to coordinate with having them there. You can't get on-site without them. Okay. I appreciate that. So going on with that then, so is that part is that business part of the Lightwave segment then? It is. Yes, we've rolled that in. That all rolls up to Brian's. Okay. And so with regards to Lightwave, is the Lockheed Martin still on the same trajectory? Or are you like diversifying away from that by getting into these more infrastructure plays? Or can you just comment on the nature of the business and where it's going? Yes, sure. Hey, Jim, this is Brian. I'll take that one. We're still on track and making really good progress with Lockheed Martin and the deliveries against the order we announced. I believe we announced it was a Q4 order we announced in Q1. That's going very well. We are working on a plan to diversify those revenues and to grow outside of the one aircraft, which is the F-thirty 5 that we're currently tied to. And we have made good progress. We've got other aircraft now that we are in the early stages of working with and beginning to make deliveries to. We also have other applications outside of aircraft that we've started to see heat up, in particular in the data center market. So that's all going to plan. You asked about infrastructure. We're certainly seeing infrastructure side of the business come back this year. That was part of the business that was affected more by COVID last year. It's been very active this year and especially with the announcement of an infrastructure bill here recently, we're looking forward for that segment to grow well into the coming years. So that kind of hits on the 2 questions you had there. Yes. Okay, great. And you're anticipating a little bit more traction once the live events and the live conferences start up. And can you tell me again when you're anticipating that? Well, they've started they've already started. There's been some cancellations we've seen due to recent news related to the Delta variant. But in general, things are starting to open up and people are meeting more lives certainly than they have over the last 15 months. Yes, I haven't heard the latest, but Ecoc in September was certainly planning on being face to face. And that was late, middle of September in, I think it was in Burgundy or something like that, right? So as far as I know, it's still face to face, Jim. And I think that is a big thing with getting people back together. Yes. Okay. Thank you for your answers, Shahriarman. Thanks, Jim. And your next question comes from the line of Barry Syne from Spartan Capital Securities. Your line is open. Hey, good afternoon, folks. I wanted to start off asking about OptiSense integration. And correct me if I'm wrong, I think you've said that you're going to push some of that activity into next year to kind of make sure that they can they're not disrupted this year. I think you've also said that, you've completed an on-site in person all hands meeting recently, which would be interesting given travel restrictions. So how are you integrating that? I recognize the challenges of that being a European operation and COVID related travel restrictions. But you kind of give us an update on that integration? And have you been able to get over there and actually visit them? Yes. We have not. Not. What I referred to, Barry, was a staff meeting of mine where we brought everyone together into our Atlanta office and we held a face to face there. That was everyone but Jamie Pollard who dialed in from the UK. So all of the other direct reports and a lot of Brian's direct reports were in that meeting. There's probably about 15 of us for a couple of day strategy session and get together. Jamie was the only one who did not travel. So we were not able to do that. We did I also referenced on the call that we've made progress and have for the most part completed the integration of finance, HR, IT, kind of the services that were on our TSA with Kinetics. So we've completed those. What we look forward to is the integration of bringing sales together and that will like I said last time, we will push that into the second half of this year and into 2022 to not be disruptive to them. But that in person meeting was everyone, but Jamie. We have not traveled there yet and they have not traveled here yet in regards to the UK. Okay. And then shifting gears, it was a pretty significant news announcement in the quarter And I wanted to get your kind of generic comments. And I'm referring to the condominium collapse that occurred in Sunrise, Florida. And there's no announced cause of that, but there is media speculation about structural issues and not just residential buildings, but there's a number of commercial buildings around the world that use similar type construction techniques. So I don't know if your sensing solutions are applicable for structures like that, how you would go about it? And if now that you have a new head of strategy, if you're looking at that, is it your opinion that there may be a more significant market opportunity down the road now that perhaps we may see zoning laws change and require some type of sensing in structures that would give you a bit of an early warning for events like that. Can you just generally comment, obviously not comment on that specific event, but just comment on how that market may develop? Yes, for sure. We have spent a lot of time on that. As you can imagine, a good chunk of our strategy session was in regard to structural health, not only in regards to that event itself, which is tragic. There was 15 minutes that went between cracking on the pool deck until the building collapsed. I mean, they just had no monitoring at all. Had we had fiber on that building, it would have been much, much longer than that. So I'll let Brian Bashcar is with us here as well. Obviously, we've spent a lot of time. He's probably spent his first kind of 2 months here kind of going through a lot of these things. But I'll let Brian talk about how we're chasing that and what we're going after in regards to that. But we have a lot of interesting ideas and have talked to some municipalities about this structural health. Yes. So, great question, Barry. The fact of the matter is we have systems all over the world, thousands of systems doing this already, monitoring structures for the overall safety, well-being of inhabitants, etcetera. And so this wouldn't be a new set of applications for us. It'd be a new market because to date as you mentioned, the regulatory environment does not require such systems. But, yes, we're certainly working with our contacts and behind the scenes, with localities, municipalities, to educate folks on the benefits of using systems like ours to enhance the safety of residential buildings. And it wouldn't be a new thing. It's something we have a lot of experience doing. And our mission is to enhance the safety, security connectivity of people. So it hits home for us and it's something that we look forward to adding value to. And I know it's still early going. Do you get any sense that we may see a change in the regulatory environment around the country where there may be requirements to put structural sensing in there? And if so, when might we see some impact on the financial statements? I mean, I know it's going to be a couple of years, but might that be material and when might that occur? Yes, that's about right. That's about how we're looking at it. We certainly are we certainly do believe that the situation may evolve in the direction of requiring this type of monitoring. And in fact, we've seen this with our customer base in Europe and in other places, particularly in Southeast Asia, where certain types of structures or buildings are starting to require sensing systems for early warning and detection of issues. So, yes, we just don't see any reason that that wouldn't necessarily happen here as well. And it's very early days and types of regulatory things are hard to predict. So I will make that caveat. Yes, but I do believe it's a matter of when. I mean the energy and activity on from the insurance agencies to the regulatory agencies, I mean, there is a lot of talk in because we are actively out there telling them we have the fiber, we have the solution, we're the seat belt to the accident here a little bit. And so I believe it is when. And that's a big question, but I do believe that's where we're going. Okay. That's really helpful. And my last question, I wanted to circle back to guidance. If it sounds like I'm hearing a couple of things that you're kind of back end loading the guidance in terms of when we'll see the revenue. You're talking about supply chain issues, many of which are outside of your control. And obviously, we hear about that from a lot of companies and a lot of industries. So that's not unique to you. But it seems as if where I'm kind of handicapping it, there is some very small but perhaps growing probability that maybe you don't quite make the guidance numbers this year. If you can kind of handicap that for us. And I guess if you didn't, anything that you missed would probably show up in the 1st few months of next year. Yes. Like I said when Jim danced around that question a little bit, I take guidance very seriously and we went out and I talked to Gene and to James and to Brian and to Eve and to Jamie and to Salvant. I mean, this senior team, talk about, hey, guys, what do you see? What do you see now? Because talk to the customers, talk to our folks in China, to in Japan, to Europe. And we're looking at the pipeline. Like I said, if I didn't see the activity, the commercial activity so strong or if we saw something, I gave sites to some things that we just hadn't seen. And maybe that was adding the OptiSense side of it and such large orders, dollars 1,000,000 orders teetering on not happening by June 30 and happening on July 8. And that's a big movement when you think of 28 versus 29 or 29 versus 30. I mean, I but I can tell you this, Barry, I would not go out and give the range. I wouldn't list 122 to 127 if I didn't believe that's the range we were going to be in. I just it just doesn't do me any good to do that. So I guess I'll take the bruises if that happens. But I can tell you, you won't be surprised by it. We will give you insight into it. I try to be as transparent as I can with what we see. And that's why I wrote all that language around what we're seeing and there are some strange things that we're seeing on that supply side. Not necessarily supply to us, supply to a lot of our customers. And that's what hits us really outside of our control. Right. Okay, understood. Thank you very much for fielding my questions. Sure. Thanks Barry. And your next question comes from the line of Dave Kang from B. Riley. Your line is open. Thank you. Good afternoon. My first question is, Scott, I think you said demand remains very strong. Can you give us maybe what the book to bill was, maybe without a specific number? Was it like well over 1 or barely over 1? Any color on that? Yes. I'll let Brian talk about that. We went through this in detail at one of our finance sessions here and I'll let Brian on an operations perspective, you want to give some of those strong or Yes, it was over 1 and it was in a nice kind of range, without giving an exact number, in the low one, 1.1 kind of in that area, which is right where you want to be when you're looking to continue to grow. So the bookings were there. We did see some things here and there related to effectuating the revenue, COVID related things, but the bookings were right on target. Got it. And then some of your peers that have reported already, their assessment is top line impact, revenue impact has ranged from low single digit to high single digits and margin impact has been around 50 bps to 150 bps. Care to characterize how what kind of impact you experienced in the Q2 and maybe what to expect in Q3 if there's any? Yes. I mean, like we mentioned on the call and I hit a little bit of it and Gene hit some of it. We have a level of fixed costs that are sitting on the OptiSENT side. So if we have some things slip, we will see some margin creep on that as well. So the COVID pandemic as it relates to pushing things around on us that customers say, why don't you just come next month, next quarter rather than now. So that does have an effect on us and we made some reference to that. In regards to second half, Gene, do you want to talk about that? Yes, sure. So like I mentioned, we are expecting larger revenue in the second half. And based on past years, we think Q4 this year is going to be a little heavier than what we've seen in other quarters. And to Scott's point, if we get out and can perform these services, we see actually some margin improvement from the 50%, again, all predicated on our folks being out there and able to install and travel to where they need to go to. Got it. And then on terahertz, can you just talk about the pipeline? I think during one of the recent meetings, I think you mentioned about product acceptance and the point was that before you were selling 1Zs and 2Zs and now volume is definitely getting larger. Just can you give us an update on that? Yes. So, we're making really good progress on that, getting qualified into applications where systems will be used in production rather than in kind of R and D type environments. That cycle does take some time. So it's not going to be a material or really major impact in any of the quarters this year, but looking into next year, is when we'll start seeing that, because the qualification process will take about that long through the end of the year and then we'll be good to start getting that ramp. And it's been in a couple of areas predominantly, the 2 most significant areas are in EV battery space and then in plastics manufacturing. So 2 unrelated end user markets, but similar function of the product. And then EV battery, obviously, we know who the biggest one is. I mean, are there multiple customers behind that beat customer? Yes. We're working with a half a dozen or so folks in that space with several of our products, in fact, both our Terahertz product and our ODiSI product. So yes, we're we've made good progress over the last year in kind of going after those applications and growing our footprint there. And so, yes, there are some names that are a little bigger than others. But Dave, as you know, every car company in the world has a roadmap to electrification that is coming at us fast. What about solar then? I mean, with I don't know about where you live, but here in California with drought and all that, solar plus battery seems to be playing larger roles. I mean, have you looked into that, solar batteries market? It's not as much of a play there. We do have a couple of areas within the green energy market that we're going after. Taking energy off of offshore wind farms is one of them, structural integrity for wind turbines, those sorts of things, carbon sequestration, mapping. But those are kind of the areas that we're looking at in the green energy market. Got it. Thank you. Thanks, Dave. And your next question comes from the line of Michael Haymaker, a private investor. Please go ahead, sir. Sir. Yes. Hi, gentlemen. A couple of questions for you. 1, as an investor who came over from API, I got used to them managing to lose $0.03 every quarter, and I'm hoping that your plans are not to continue on operating loss into the perpetual future. That's kind of one question. Yes. No, there's no plans on continuing losses. If you look at the operating income and I would suggest if you came up from API, you've seen the changes that we've made, especially in the last kind of 4 or 5 years here and what we've done. But we believe in order to set up the right team for success, the additional operating expenses that we have, the things that go along that are non cash in this amortization and inventory step up, it does hit that. We try to break that out. Having $1,000,000 of operating loss, we try to spell out well, there was 1,500,000 dollars or $2,000,000 of this amortization and things like that. So no, it's not our plan, but it does take time to get through some of these things as we look at being acquisitive and bringing some of these things on board. Right, right. So you've had, again as an investor, I noticed a lot of what looked to be fairly expensive new hires and promotions in the quarter. And I'm just curious, are you fairly are you pretty much done with that for a while now or have you got who you need to go forward for now? Yes. I would say, some of those things we had laid out over the last two strategy sessions in the team to fill. And some of these things come along with when they come along, you kind of jump on them a little bit. We talked about Bill Van Englen in human resources, someone that I met years ago, when he was at MACOM and Fidelity and then Bhaskar most recently someone I met during the MACOM transaction. So these are folks that high talent that you bring on board. But yes, I believe this team is filled up. I tried to make reference to that when I talked about looking around the room and going in such a short period of time, filling seats that we needed to fill folks that not where we've been, not where we are, but where we're going. And I believe with some of the additions that you heard me announce over the last couple of months are critical positions on where we're going. But yes, I would say I have the team right now. We have the team together to go forward on this. Okay. That's good to hear. I guess another question around this big infrastructure bill that's, I guess, just about to be signed. I'm wondering, what you're doing? Are you doing anything with lobbyists? Are you doing anything with integration partners to kind of get into the government business and kind of get positioned with them? Or are we waiting to see it get signed first? No, no. No. We've been working on this for a year. We have lobby firms up there. We have folks up there. And I'll let Brian, because he is knee deep in this infrastructure. He's our infrastructure bill expert here. So I'll let him talk a little bit about some of the places that we're Yes. So we work through several associations within the kind of the Capitol Hill side of things in terms of lobbyists and industry organizations to ensure that our message is getting put in front of policymakers. We've been actively doing that as it relates to this bill to make sure that the infrastructure, even the terminology is used the terminology we like is smart infrastructure. And so we've been working really hard on that and there are a number of areas that will as the context content for the bill are becoming more clear, there are half dozen areas in there that should result in business for Luna at some point down the road. And in order to do that, you mentioned working with integration partners and that's another element of how we're working this is making sure that we stay in touch with the prime contractors that will actually win the major parts of this funding and that we would step in as the supplier to them for the smart sensing technology. Great. Do you think there's any language around smart sensing that's going to be in the bill already or is it just going to be about smart infrastructure? Well, yes. So we have actually seen that. In the roads and bridges side of things, it calls for the Secretary Transportation to consider innovative technologies. So that's just short of smart sensing. But that language means you need to go high-tech, which plays to our strength. There's development of leak detection technology for the drinking and wastewater infrastructure. There is modernization of our natural gas pipelines, which is also something that is a pretty significant part of our sensing business pipeline monitoring. And there's a lot of money for high speed Internet to and broadband deployment to rural areas, which also specifically calls out optical fiber to be put in ubiquitously, which then we can tap into to make smart grid, smart city type solutions. So there's quite a bit in it already. But as it goes to the house, there's still time for us to try to work with our partners to impact to make sure the language is even better. Yes, that's great. When do you think the funds would start flowing in your direction, say it gets passed in the next couple of weeks? Is it going to be years or is it going to be sooner? No, no, I think we start seeing the effect of it next year. I don't think no one's waiting around. Once this gets inked and fully approved probably later in the year by the house and whatever form it takes. I think it will take a few months to start flowing out to private industry, but we should start seeing at least some impact after that at some point next year. Yes, we've dedicated a lot of time to make sure they know who Luna is and pointing out the things that you're putting out there. We're all over the world. We're already doing it. We're already doing it. There's no reason that we shouldn't be top of that list. Yes, that sounds good to me. The final question I had was, I thought last quarter you guys were talking about you were really close to some kind of electric vehicle battery deal with a manufacturer that you couldn't name at that point. It sounds like from your earlier comments that that's kind of fading or not going anywhere or hasn't happened or can you just talk about that again? No, actually, it's going very well. But as I mentioned previously, there's a process for qualification and we're going through the process. As I said, we work with at least a half dozen customers in this space to get our technology into helping them improve the efficiency of these systems. And now it's going well. Okay. Was that terahertz or was that? We mentioned specifically the use of our terahertz system. Yes. So that's one of the products that's in the mix. And then we're using our ODiSI fiber optic sensing product as well for temperature mapping with inside electric batteries. Okay. All right. Thanks guys. All right. Thanks Mike. And your next question comes from the line of Mark Morris, a private investor. Sir, your line is open. Hello sirs. Hello. Hello. I have a few quick questions here just to check on some of the things that you might be looking into or may not be looking into. If you've mentioned them or I haven't heard of them, that's fine. Just let me know. But say for like the trucking industry, say for like the flatbed trailers that are used to haul a lot of things around for infrastructure, Are there any things in the works for trailer weight, whether they're being bowed, etcetera? And somewhat along in that line, since there's a lot more, say, Class A campers out there, is there anything that works for seeing if they're overloaded this way or that way? Or I'm just asking some ideas here. Yes. And the other one is like the water mains and even the sewer lines. Yes. And that's addressed in some of the infrastructure bill itself. Brian? So, yes, we work with state DOTs on and we're working with several right now on some new traffic flow monitoring concepts. So, it's a smaller part. If you look at the markets we are in, this one is emerging and it's still relatively small revenue wise. But yes, we're combining several of our sensing products to get fiber optics in to monitor traffic flow and do axle counting and wind motion type solutions. And that would go for all the types of vehicles you mentioned. So, that's actually an active part of business development for us and the infrastructure build should accelerate some of that. And on the water side of things, as I mentioned, some of the contents of the bill that came out of the Senate did include modernization of our drinking and wastewater infrastructure. So, we have leak detection technology that can potentially help with that. And then another one that I had a question on was what about like farm irrigation equipment, because I know that stuff flows in the wind and farmers do lose X amount over that product. Yes, it's an interesting idea. We're going to have to look into that one. We haven't done that one yet. And then how about anything with the space industry that's happening now for landing barges or anything like that type of item? Yes. We have a couple of press releases we've done recently about different technology we've developed for a couple of different applications, space based type applications, both in Luna Labs and in our Lightwave business. We'll have those press releases available on our well, they are available on our website and we can have someone send them over if you're interested in having a look. And then how about length for just consumer ships, yachts, larger boats, things like that? Yes. We do home monitoring for large boats, for wave slap and those sorts of things. Again, not a big application, but we do have sales every year for home monitoring systems for boats. Now going forward, where I know you said that you with the stuff going on and not traveling as much, do you have any type of, say, small samples that you can send out and do some virtual meetings to help aggregate the sales maybe a little faster or? Yes. So that's why we've had to everybody's had to adjust how they do manage their sales efforts. And yes, so we're more in person and back to kind of traveling to see people these days. But over the course of the last 15, 18 months, we've had to adjust to doing a lot more Zoom type meetings and sending samples and convincing people that they want and or need our technology a little bit of a different way and it's been fairly successful. And North America within North America, we're traveling. Europe within Europe, we're traveling. It's just we haven't done really any international right now, even though the UK opened up just a little while ago, a couple of weeks ago, I guess, but we just haven't we've been kind of swamped and haven't been able to schedule that. But we do plan on opening that up. We just want to be safe about it. We've waited this long. We don't want to jump through that, but we are continuing to do that use the virtual ways to kind of sell this and go from there. Well, I was just like you say, I wanted to check on like the farm irrigating equipment possibly and any military ships that you might be involved with as well? Yes, for sure. Okay, great. I think you covered it. Thank you, sir. Yes, thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks, Mark. And your next question comes from the line of Laurence Mather from MRIs. Sir, your line is open. Thank you very much and thank you for taking my question. And also thank you for continuing to grow Luna and growing the revenue. I think that's a key point that you've brought out today. The revenue is up drastically up and that's great. You spoke about having strategy meetings for near, mid and long term. Can you give us a couple of examples of what you're looking at in the mid to long term? Sure. I mean, I think when we talk about infrastructure, you see what's going on out there. We think there's limitless opportunities in using this fiber as the sensor I think infrastructure and you're talking about perimeter security and bridges and tunnels and dams. And I think, I believe I forget who it was, maybe Barry, who asked the question about the building down in Miami. And you and certainly we are trying to educate everyone. We've had meetings, like I said, with insurance companies, with municipalities, with developers. The cost to make these buildings and structures smart is just not overwhelming to the overall cost of the unit. We've talked about our partnership with Meggitt and getting fiber on these planes and being able to sense heat detection and fire suppression, all those kind of things. Those are our medium and long term kind of opportunities. I have mentioned before, we're $100,000,000 company selling 2Z3s of these things in many cases. And I think the big growth story with Luna will come and we continue to get more of these orders like we did at Lockheed Martin, 100 plus units. When we sell 10 of them, 20, 50, 100, that's the big thing getting specked in, say with Airbus, for example, getting specked into the A320neo aircraft and being on every plane that aircraft that Airbus makes, that's the long term opportunity. Getting involved in these infrastructure kind of projects, that's the long term big play here. It's really getting out there and having people see what the use of what you can do is something that is nearly weightless, thinner than a human hair and non conductive. And what we can do with that fiber and the information we can get. Nothing like that should ever happen in Florida again, if we can just get the fiber out there in these structures. And that's about us getting out there and being knowledgeable. Thank you very much. Just one follow-up. Do you also look at it the mid to long or near future acquisitions? Is that also in the strategy? Sure, of course. I mean, I think I said on a previous call or one of the meetings, we reached out to OptiSense, we reached out to Kinetic 3 years ago and said we were interested in talking about OptiSense and they just weren't interested. But we stayed in contact with them. So when it came time, when Duff and Phelps, it came time to shop OptiSense, we were certainly on their list to call and say, hey, I think I know someone that might be interested. And they called us and said, hey, you called a couple of years ago, are you still interested? And we were. So I think, yes, we're looking at things that are now the small kind of add ons like Newridge Technology and the bigger transactions like OptiSense. I think you can can continue to see us look and be acquisitive on short, medium and long term. That's fair. Thank you very much. Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Charles Knowles, a private investor. Sir, your line is open. Hey, guys. Thanks for another buying opportunity. Brian, you didn't think I'd let you off the hotspot. I've seen that website is really getting informative. There's a couple of things like that barrier you have that you can spray for surgery that it'd be neat if you would give exactly how it works and maybe what all FBTs can do, whether you monitor carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide. And I just want to take this time to say, I'm an API follower and I've been doing cartwheels over what you all have been doing. And I wish that there and all the API guys that I've come that I used to contact, I have told them they should contact their state and federal reps and tell them what all you're doing. So I think we're the best lobbyist is people that contacting their own representatives. No, I agree with that. And Chuck, we have James Garrett is sitting here with us. I think that might be best to do a follow-up. I know James would love to have kind of the principal investigator that wrote that contract and is knee deep in that follow-up and get with you. I think that would be a good opportunity to kind of talk about that. We have a lot of those opportunities that sit in James' group kind of in that R and D have been funded on a, say, Phase 1, Phase 2, follow on. It's had a couple of $1,000,000 of federal funding behind it. So and I know you have good contacts with some of the state folks there. That would be a good contact if you're willing to kind of have that conversation with us. Yes. I live Luna. That's fantastic. Back with I was talking to Rob Risser and Steve Williamson back early 2000s. They had done this study with Abbott Laboratories where with the T rays, they could scan a prepackaged pharmaceutical and give 100% accuracy of its contents. And that's really why I got invested in API was, man, that pharmacy, if they could get the pharmacy for purity, that would be huge. And so I hope you all I don't know anybody in the pharmacy or I'd be hitting them hard. But if that's still I was wanting to get Steve on here to get him in the hot seat, but I think that's another wonderful. I was just texting with Steve the other day. So we still are in contact. He's still very interested in Luna. And so we have some ideas. So you never know where we go. Steve is always a scientist and he's not willing to let it go. So we found some things off him recently. Sounds great. I guess that's all. Thanks. I think it's looking great. All right. Great. Thanks, Chuck. Thanks, Chuck. I'm showing no further question. I'm sorry. We have another one here on the queue, a follow-up question from Michael Haymaker, a Private Investor. Please go ahead, sir. Yes. Thank you. Hey, you triggered a thought when you're talking about the infrastructure. Is there a retrofit opportunity for the products you sell or does it all have to go into new construction, new builds? No, absolutely. Yes, we a lot of the bridges, tunnels, dams that we do out there, this big order that we did down in South America, that's an existing dam. We're on that putting fiber on that existing dam and we do it a lot on existing bridges and tunnels, all the infrastructure. So big, big, big time opportunity on retro ink, right Brian? Yes. Yes. It's not new. I mean, if it's new, we can embed it inside the concrete or inside the composite. But, yes, certainly an opportunity to retro. Okay. I wonder if the infrastructure bill is going to talk about retrofitting new technology to old structures or if it's all just about building new? No, no, no, no, no. There's a lot of the dollars in the road bridges portion will be allocated to improving aging infrastructure. That's a big part of this bill. Okay, great. Thanks. I'm showing no further question at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Scott Grace. Please go ahead, sir. Well, thank you everyone for joining us today. I know I spent a lot of time about getting the right team in place for the many opportunities in front of us. But as you've heard me say before, culture is critical. The numbers are always going to be important, but so is making investments to ensure we have the right people, platforms and processes in place. Feel free to reach out to Gene, Allison, myself, anyone with any questions that you have and I look forward to speaking tomorrow with some of you at the Oppenheimer conference. Thanks for your time and interested in LUND Innovations. And now, Leah, I'll turn it back for you for wrap up. Thank you, sir. And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation. You may have a wonderful day. You may all disconnect.