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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Aug 11, 2022

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q2 2022 Luna Innovations Incorporated earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen- only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question- and- answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would like to turn the conference over to your speaker for today, Allison Woody, Director of Administration. Please go ahead.

Allison Woody
Director of Administration, Luna Innovations

Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. Earlier this morning, we issued our second quarter 2022 earnings press release. In addition, we posted to the investor relations section of our website a presentation with supplemental information for the quarter. If you do not have a copy of the release or the supplemental materials, please check our website at lunainc.com. We will also post a replay of this call to our website. Some of our comments and discussions today are based on non-GAAP measures. These adjusted numbers exclude the effect of certain non-cash expenses and other items. The adjusted results are a supplement to the GAAP financial statements. Luna believes the presentation and exclusion of these items is useful in order to focus on what we deem to be a more reliable indicator of ongoing operating performance.

Before we proceed with our presentation today, let us remind you that statements made on this conference call, as well as in our public filings, releases, and websites, which are non-historical facts, may be forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are subject to change at any time, including but not limited to, statements about our expectations regarding future operating results or the ongoing prospects of the company. Actual results may differ materially as a result of a variety of factors. More complete information regarding forward-looking statements, risks, and uncertainties is available in the company's SEC filings, which can be found on the SEC website and our website. We disclaim any obligation to update any such factors or to announce publicly the results of any revisions to any of the forward-looking statements to reflect future events or developments, except as required by law.

After our prepared remarks, Scott Graeff, President and Chief Executive Officer, along with Chief Financial Officer, Gene Nestro, and Chief Operating Officer, Brian Soller, will be available to take your questions. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Scott.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking the time to join our call. I'm excited to be with you today announcing another quarter of solid top-line performance and progress against our operational objectives. We continue to be confident that our long-term strategy is the right one and remain bullish about the opportunities in front of us. On last quarter's call, I told you that we're making investments now to set us up well to capitalize on significant opportunities for strong and rapid growth over the mid and long term. Part of this is an investment in operational infrastructure, and the other part is capital used to acquire new technologies and capabilities to bolster Luna's own strong platforms. We continue to be excited about the technologies, products, and talent we've acquired and what we've nurtured and grown internally.

I'm encouraged by the continuing and increasing customer demand for our products and capabilities. For our second quarter 2022, a majority of Luna over-delivered on the top line. That's an incredible accomplishment, and we see this momentum continuing even as the world is talking about recession. It is a testament to both the need for Luna's products and capabilities and the work and commitment of every Luna employee. My many thanks to the whole Luna team. With that said, we still have some work to do in our project-based businesses that include OptaSense and LIOS, which came in below our expectations, primarily due to delays in several large customers taking delivery of our products. You may remember that the nature of a project-based sale and associated recognition of revenue is slightly different than the rest of our portfolio, which is largely comprised of product-based sales.

The project-based businesses often involve traveling to customer locations to install or perform services. Although we may have technically sold and shipped the product and incurred associated expenses, we may still experience delays in recording the associated revenue until the customer actually takes possession of the product according to the revenue recognition rules. One of the benefits for us in 2022 of these project-based businesses is that we have good clarity into the shipments that will be made through the remainder of the year. In fact, in Q2, the book-to-bill in OptaSense and LIOS were very strong, with nearly $6 million more booked than billed. This puts us on solid ground as we look at the remainder of the year. As with all acquisitions, you learn a lot as you work through the integration process, and in many cases, changes and refinements need to be made.

One of the changes we're looking to make would harmonize the process by which our project-related products are sold and delivered in order to be consistent with the rest of the Luna portfolio. We are doing this to better match revenues with the related expenses. I want to be clear, we still feel very good about our recent acquisitions. We acquired these important and growing assets at a very good price. There is no question that they fill an important gap in the existing Luna capabilities, that of distributed acoustic and temperature sensing. We look forward to being in person with these new teams more regularly now that the COVID restrictions on international travel have mostly been lifted, and it was great to spend a week recently with some of our newer colleagues.

Brian Soller, our COO, and I just got back from the Farnborough International Airshow, where we met with several of our larger customers in the aerospace segment. We also took the opportunity to spend several days in the office with our team at OptaSense. On this trip, we also visited LIOS Sensing, our most recent acquisition at their Cologne, Germany office, and we are excited about the potential to have these two groups coordinate activities more closely to drive both top and bottom-line growth. There are a lot of synergies to be shared. There's a great deal of value to be unlocked in the combination of assets and IP from LIOS and those of OptaSense and the existing assets at Luna. We want to make sure that we are deliberate in getting this right, and we will get it right.

We are incredibly optimistic about the increasing potential in these assets and excited about the future. With that, I'd like to move on to discuss highlights of the second quarter financials and then provide an update on operational accomplishments during the second quarter. For the second quarter of 2022, total revenues were up 19% to $26.2 million compared to the prior year's quarter. For the first half, revenues were up 13% versus the first half of 2021. Total company revenues were in line with our internal expectations. We continued to experience strong demand for our Luna products. In fact, we realized double-digit bookings growth in the second quarter 2022 versus last year. Our gross margin increased to 61% versus 57% in the prior year's second quarter.

We reported an operating loss of $2.5 million for Q2 2022 versus a loss of $2 million in Q2 2021. The largest driver of the operating loss was the addition of LIOS in Q2 2022, as the revenues in that business are strongly weighted towards the latter half of the year. I want to emphasize that had several large project-based customers taken delivery of our products, we would have added several million dollars to our bottom line in the quarter. The fact that the products are built and in many cases shipped with just a slippage of revenue to the next quarter gives me comfort in reiterating our 2022 outlook. Adjusted EBITDA was $1.2 million in Q2 2022, an increase from last year's EBITDA of $1 million.

Related to bottom-line performance, there are essentially two buckets that affected year-over-year increase in the net loss line. These are, first, a tough comp against last year's second quarter as the result of roughly $1.8 million of benefit from both tax and discontinued operations that did not repeat in Q2 2022. The second bucket is several million dollars of expense reductions we've implemented as part of our synergy savings initiative, undertaking to right size the organization, but that have not yet been realized in the P&L. Before I move to talk about the businesses in more detail, I want to touch on our investments. Our mission hasn't changed, to build on a capability as a company with blue-chip customers to solidify Luna as a clear leader, fully focused on enabling the future with fiber.

To accomplish this, we will continue to invest capital in our businesses through this year and beyond because we see an abundance of opportunities for strong and rapid growth. In addition, we will continue to be prudent managers of our expense structure while ensuring that we are the best positioned to capitalize on growth opportunities. Now, let me discuss the businesses in more detail. As a reminder, Luna focuses on two business areas, fiber optic sensing and communications testing. For the second quarter 2022, the revenue growth I just mentioned was driven by a full quarter of LIOS contribution and solid commercial sales in the legacy sensing and comms test business. In fact, our bookings growth once again exceeded our revenue growth in Q2 2022.

Let's dig a little deeper into sensing, which you may recall is where we use the fiber as the physical sensor to create smart materials and structures. Revenues grew double-digit versus Q2 last year, driven both by a full quarter of LIOS as well as strong demand for legacy Luna products. In fact, legacy Luna, ODiSI, Hyperion, and Terahertz product lines each contributed double-digit sales growth. We also made important progress on several strategic growth areas within sensing. Hyperion achieved a key customer win to use those products in oil and gas monitoring to monitor in real time the riser pipe that takes oil from the sea floor to the surface, greatly enhancing the safety of offshore oil extraction.

Bookings for Terahertz increased more than 100% in the first half of 2022 versus the same period last year, driven by the continued successful adoption of these products in the automotive EV space. Relating to OptaSense, and as I mentioned earlier, the timing of customer receipt of large DAS orders resulted in a slight decline in revenues for that business. From an operational standpoint, OptaSense realized key DAS product wins for critical infrastructure, and as I mentioned earlier, had a strong quarter from a bookings perspective. Now switching to communications test. Comms test revenues were flat in Q2 2022 against a particularly tough comp in Q2 2021. If you recall that in last year's second quarter, we mentioned it was a record quarter for Comms test with nearly 80% year-on-year growth in that quarter. Given that comparison, Comms test performed well this year.

We secured a large follow-on multi-unit OBR 6200 order from Lockheed Martin. Stay tuned for some more to come with Lockheed Martin. We also secured multiple strategic wins with blue-chip customers in the high-speed telecommunications and data communications markets. Brian and I just attended an important three-day sales conference in our Blacksburg facility. This was the first time since the pandemic began that the worldwide sales teams were able to all gather together in person. The enthusiasm and vast opportunity as reviewed by the sales teams were extremely exciting. They left the week completely pumped. In fact, the overwhelming nature of the opportunities in front of us will cause us to be focused in order to ensure that we are capitalizing on the best near-term projects while leveraging Luna's capabilities to the max.

The team continues to be inspired by the impact our products have on our customers and society, whether it's making bridges and dams safer or 5G networks more reliable or securing key government and private industry assets. Luna's products help make the world a better and safer place. As I've said previously, we sit in rarefied air with the applications of our fiber technology nearly limitless. From a pandemic and supply chain perspective, we are still seeing impact which affects timing of sales cycles as well as certain parts of our supply chain. In particular, persistent pandemic-related supply chain delays in semiconductor availability has affected pricing and lead times. As we've mentioned previously, we've largely been able to mitigate supply chain risks for electronic parts by building in more safety stock and working closely with our supply chain partners to ensure delivery.

However, we want to call this out because it is an ongoing challenge. In summary, customer demand for Luna products remains strong. Sourcing components remains challenging, and we still have some work to do to grow profitability at a pace that is acceptable to both me and my executive team. While Luna legacy products continue to grow according to our expectations, we need to improve profitability of our recent acquisitions. Strategically, these acquisitions were the right move, and in the long term, Luna will certainly reap significant benefits. The team is hard at work now and will be over the next couple of quarters in executing the initiatives we've already implemented in order to drive profitability. In sum, we will continue to focus on fundamental blocking and tackling as well as building for the long term.

With all these accomplishments, with six months of reporting behind us, and looking at the rest of 2022, from a bottoms-up perspective, we feel very comfortable delivering on our guidance of total revenues of $109 million-$115 million and adjusted EBITDA of $10 million-$12 million. I'm incredibly grateful to the Luna team for their continued focus and work. Now I'll hand the call to Gene for more on the financial details. Gene?

Gene Nestro
CFO, Luna Innovations

Thank you, Scott. Let's dive right into the financials. As Scott noted, our revenues for Q2 2022 were $26.2 million compared to revenues of $22 million for Q2 2021, representing a 19% year-over-year increase. A full quarter of LIOS in Q2 2022 showed us the strength of that business, contributing nicely to top-line growth. Within sensing, our year-over-year revenue growth of 36% was driven by our acquired businesses and strong performance from legacy ODiSI, Hyperion and Terahertz products, each of which contributed double-digit sales growth. Within comms test, as Scott mentioned, Q2 2022 revenue growth was essentially flat compared to a very tough comp in the prior year quarter. Gross profit was $16 million for the quarter compared to $12.6 million for the same quarter last year, representing a gross margin of 61% in Q2 2022 compared to 57% in Q2 2021.

Gross margin increased by 400 basis points, in part by favorable product mix. Operating expenses were $18.4 million in Q2 2022 versus $14.6 million in Q2 2021. $2.1 million of this increase was driven by the OpEx of LIOS and the associated amortization. Now, I wanna take a moment to highlight something about our underlying expenses for the quarter. If you look at the composition of our operating expenses this quarter, about half of the year-on-year increase was related to acquisitions and associated amortization. Q2 2022 was a high watermark for our OpEx. It was our first full quarter with LIOS and does not reflect the impact of the cost synergy Scott mentioned. We expect to see the impact of these cost synergies ramp up in the second half of the year with the full impact hitting in Q4.

We are focused on identifying areas of opportunity for increased expense efficiency without sacrificing infrastructure, product quality, or customer support. We are working always to create a more nimble and efficient Luna. Moving on. We recognized an operating loss of $2.5 million in Q2 2022 compared to an operating loss of $2 million in Q2 of last year. As Scott already mentioned, the increase in operating loss was partially due to the timing of absorbing fixed costs that are related to the project-based businesses without associated revenue offset within that same period. Net loss for Q2 2022 was $2.4 million or a loss of $0.07 per share compared to a net loss of $0.2 million or $0.01 per share for Q2 2021. Before I move on to adjusted EBITDA, I wanna highlight three areas on the financial statements for clarity.

First, a tough comp versus the Q2 2021 quarter as a result of roughly $1.8 million in benefit from both tax and discontinued operations that didn't repeat in Q2 2022. Second, we had several million dollars of expense reduction initiatives we've undertaken to right-size the organization, the resulting benefit of which has not yet flowed through the P&L. Third, you'll find the adjusted EBITDA gap to non-GAAP reconciliation includes a warranty accommodation for a key customer. You'll find this in the reconciliation schedule under the line entitled Other Non-recurring Charges. Finally, adjusted EBITDA was $1.2 million for Q2 2022 versus $1 million for Q2 2021, and adjusted EPS was a loss of $0.02 per share for Q2 2022 versus profit of $0.03 for the prior year quarter. Again, largely impacted by discontinued operations and taxes.

Let me now move on to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with approximately $4.9 million of cash- and- cash equivalents compared to $17.1 million at the end of 2021. The decrease was largely due to the purchase of LIOS, a proactive buildup in short-term inventory to minimize supply chain disruption, and a planned expansion of production for Terahertz in order to maximize efficiency and output. I am proud to highlight here that the team has never missed a customer shipment date, even through the pandemic. They've done an extraordinary job managing supply chain challenges. Our working capital was $46.4 million at June 30, 2022, compared to $49.8 million on December 31, 2021. At the end of the second quarter 2022, we had total debt outstanding of $21.2 million.

Of that amount, $19.9 million is in term debt, and $1.2 million was drawn on our revolver. Investments over the past five years have all been funded by using our balance sheet through cash and bank debt, and we have access to approximately $14 million in a revolving credit facility should we need it. Based on the first half of 2022 and what we see for the remainder of this year, I am comfortable reaffirming the guidance as outlined earlier by Scott. In addition, today, we are providing a guidance range for Q3 total company revenues of $28 million-$30 million. As we've said before, our gross margin is heavily dependent on product mix. Therefore, we're still forecasting a full year gross margin in the high 50%. In summary, I'll reiterate Scott's comments.

We continue to focus on blocking and tackling to ensure we drive appropriate growth. While we're evaluating and implementing cost initiatives to be prudent in response to the current economy and markets, we also recognize we need to continue to invest for growth. We'll continue to balance those needs carefully. With that, I will turn the call back over to Scott.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Thank you, Gene. At this time, Lisa, I'd like to open the call for questions. Chief Operating Officer Brian Soller is with Gene and me at this time and will also be available to address these questions. Lisa?

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. First question is coming from Ethan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi there. Congrats on the quarter. I was wondering if you could just provide a little color on what conditions you're seeing in the supply chain situation right now and maybe how you see that playing out going forward.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. I think, you know, I think some of that you see in some of our. Gene talked about our cash situation. We are actively going out and having to build up on the inventory of some of our parts to make sure that it's not an issue. I'll let Brian address in more detail, you know, any kind of issues that we're seeing. I mean, I think we're really trying to stay on top of it.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

Yeah.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

We're being pretty successful.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

We're still seeing shortages of supply of some of the key electronic parts, working with our vendors to get those parts in, when they're scheduled to arrive. Often that date moves, with late notice, which complicates our operation, in terms of getting, you know, instruments and systems built and shipped on time. But in general, we've been able to manage around the situation and hasn't had, you know, to date, a material impact on the business. We haven't seen a lot of improvement. We do a lot of work to mitigate and manage around it. You know, we just move forward with the situation as it is.

That said, we have, you know, indications that we should see some easing of the situation by the later part of this year, and into early next year. We're certainly hoping to see that. As of now, we're still dealing with you know, the limitations of the supply chain.

Speaker 9

Certainly. That's helpful. I assume that those inventories are going to remain elevated until we see the supply chain kind of normalize.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

I think that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair.

Speaker 9

Thanks. One follow-up. I was wondering, you mentioned a price increase last quarter. I was wondering if you could quantify kind of the impact that you've seen from that so far.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. I mean, if you know, we did go out with a little bit 10%-15% increase that we continue to monitor based on. We did that in exchange for when we did the purchase of a lot of our parts and kind of married that price increase to what we were seeing in the price increases as well. I think that still stands fine, right, Brian?

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. Yeah. It was February timeframe, I think, when we officially went out with our price increases, pretty consistent with what the rest of the industry is doing. You know, that'll begin to flow through the P&L more, as we get a few quarters away from that. As you can probably understand, when, you know, a lot of the business was already quoted, and, you know, was flowing through under the older set of prices. We, you know, expect to see a little bit more impact into Q4, and then certainly in the next year you'll see more of the full impact of that.

Speaker 9

Certainly. Thank you.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah.

Operator

Next question is coming from Alex Henderson of Needham & Company.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

I wanted to go back to the project that you talked about being delayed and understand a little bit about the mechanics of the cost absorption there. It sounds like you shipped the product, it went to the vendor or to the customer, and you've already incurred a fair amount of cost. As we look at that project actually metastasizing into revenues in the back half, does that mean that the margin on it will be somewhat higher? When it gets delayed like that, does it just shift out in time so that if it takes multiple quarters for it to be realized, that the amount of revenue is the same on a per quarter basis, it's just shifted out in time, or does it cluster into the back half?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. Thanks, Alex. They do tend to cluster in the back half. Because of the recognition of some of those expenses, you would certainly see on some of those projects a much higher gross margin. You know, if we're 50%-55% in a normalized state on some of those bigger projects, we would certainly be in the 70%-75% gross margin on some of those ones that have already recognized expenses. They are pushing out. You're right, there were a couple deals that were shipped out the door, installed, and we recognized the expense, but it needs a sign-off by the customer, which as we sit here today have already happened, but they didn't happen by June 30.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't your guide for the back half a little lower margin than what you just reported?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Well, I mean, it's all. Remember, you have some larger orders that will, you know, will need to be affected. You also have the second half of LIOS, a full second half of LIOS that I talked about being much heavily weighted in the second half versus the first half, and they have lower margins. As we look at

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Okay. It's a mix.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. Gene talked about the product mix is important, so we just kind of threw that out there to make sure that everyone understood as LIOS becomes a larger piece of the pie, that does bring our margins down a little bit.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Can you remind me, are your international sales all in dollars?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Not all, but a lot of them are.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. Do you have a sense of what percentage?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Not off the top of my head, no. I would say that most, I guess, is what I would say.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

Yeah, 80%.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Ninety per- eighty, ninety percent of it.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

Oh, yeah.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Not all of that.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Rates are small.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Not all of that.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Okay.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

FX exposure.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Perfect. That's what I was looking for. Going into the international markets, given the exchange rate swings that have occurred, is there any pricing pressure that you need to absorb to make this viable for international customers?

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

You know, we've been fighting that headwind, I'd say, since 2020 when the trade situation in Asia increased. It's not a currency issue, but it was a tariff issue taking our products from, say, 10%-15% up to 20%-25%. Now with the currency situation being what it is, we're seeing some of the same things. Not quite as big an impact as that. To date, we have not, you know, had an impact on the business in a negative way. We have to work with our partners and our customers, and sometimes we have to make pricing accommodation. We have built in some, you know, as the previous individual was asking about our pricing.

We've built in some increases this year to take care of, you know, not only cost increases that we've had, but some of it is fluctuation in pricing. The short answer is, you know, we don't see any major impact in the business, and we have to manage it kind of on a deal-by-deal basis, if you will.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

One last question, and then I'll cede the floor. The mechanics of your business in terms of selling projects, I assume that you're basically insulated from macro conditions for the most part because these are large programs, multi-year programs, and typically those things don't tend to move around very much based on ups and downs of economic activity. Is that a fair characterization?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. I mean, Brian, you can weigh in. That's a fair characterization. I just had this conversation last week with someone. Yeah, we are not as susceptible due to these. We've been talking to these for, you know, for quite some time, and they're multi-year installations and things like that. It doesn't seem to move around macro issues.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

It tends to affect the timing on a quarter-to-quarter basis more than anything. In general, you know, looking globally at the business, no, it does not have the type of impact on us as it would otherwise.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Does it have any impact on duration of, you know, negotiations on contracts?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

At some, yeah. I mean, it can, but in general, we haven't seen much of that.

Alex Henderson
Managing Director, Needham & Company

Perfect. That's what I was looking for. Thank you.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. Thanks, Alex.

Operator

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone. The next question is coming from Jim Rone. Please go ahead. Jim, are you on the stage?

Jim Maroney
Equity Research Analyst, Singular Research

Hello.

Operator

Yes, please go ahead with your question.

Jim Maroney
Equity Research Analyst, Singular Research

Oh, yes. This is Jim Maroney from Singular Research.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. Hey, Jim.

Jim Maroney
Equity Research Analyst, Singular Research

Am I next in the queue?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yes.

Jim Maroney
Equity Research Analyst, Singular Research

Oh, okay. Great. If we could just discuss a little bit more about the pipeline, if we can, and perhaps just your largest client, which I assume is still Lockheed Martin. What are you hearing in terms of traction with regards to Lockheed Martin? I know in previous calls you've mentioned that the supply side constraints are not necessarily on your end, but from the customer's end. Are you hearing that their supply side constraints are easing up a bit? What's the pipeline with that client? Is there any like current geopolitical risk, does it bode well going forward as far as expanding that, the program with Lockheed Martin? Perhaps maybe just discussing other pipeline developments with other customers.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. I mean, you know, Jim, like we talked about, you know, we have been running about at 1.15, 1.2 book-to-bill. And so we see strong activity. I talked about specifically nearly $6 million in bookings over bill on the OptaSense and LIOS business. And so we are seeing strong activity out there. You know, Brian, do you have-

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. The pipeline remains robust and consistent with what we've seen for the last five or six quarters for sure. Book-to-bill in the quarter was again pushing that 1.2 range. So that gives you an idea of what we book versus what we bill. The largest or larger customer that you were referring to, we mentioned in our prepared remarks there, Lockheed Martin. We had a nice nearly seven-figure order and delivery in Q2 with that customer. We're working on now the requirements for the next several years for that program. Yes, the geopolitical situation in the world is driving more, potentially more volume, more urgency behind our negotiations with them.

As Scott mentioned, you know, kind of stay tuned for more news on that, but that's a nice part of a growth driver for us here, you know.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. I think.

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

into next year.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

I think we, you know, are careful in making sure when you talk about pricing, and I forget, you know, who asked the question on price increase, but, you know, as we look at negotiating, you know, multiyear deals, you know, two, three, five -year deals with folks like Lockheed Martin, and they wanna lock in price, you know. We have to be careful with where we feel comfortable we can get all these parts and what kind of increase we should see, when they placed an order for, you know, 100+ a couple years ago, that price is certainly increasing when you talk about a multiyear deal. Right?

Brian Soller
COO, Luna Innovations

Yes.

Jim Maroney
Equity Research Analyst, Singular Research

Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. I just wanted to add, you know, I'm not one to really think that current sci-fi really have material impact on businesses, but you can't discount the fact that back in the 1980s, Top Gun did have a material impact on military spending. Who knows, maybe the current reboot of Top Gun: Maverick may do the same thing again. Just if I may, just in regards to the revenue recognition and the revenue and expense defining differences as well as the expected cost savings. Is that gonna have more impact on the Q3 or the Q4 numbers?

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

You know, I think if you're gonna see impact in the second half of the year. I think you'll see more impact probably in full throttle here in Q4. You know, we went into this acquisition when we acquired LIOS and we looked at making it more of a European operation combined with OptaSense. We knew there were synergy savings. As many of you know, in Europe, it takes time to recognize some of those savings given what it takes to turn over some things. You'll see those in part here. We saw a small part in Q2, very little, and then you'll see more in Q3 and mostly in Q4.

Yeah, you will start to see those. As we match the expense with you know with the revenue, that will also start to flesh out.

Jim Maroney
Equity Research Analyst, Singular Research

Okay, great. Thank you, gentlemen.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Tim Savageaux of Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Tim Savageaux
Senior Research Analyst, Northland

Hi. Good morning. One question kind of about the. You have a lot of puts and takes here in terms of comps and acquisition contributions. I don't know if you specifically called out the LIOS contribution in the quarter, but you know, assuming it's around the kinda run rate you outlined when you bought the business. You know, if you look through your guidance for the year organically, business seems to be growing, and this varies quarter- to- quarter, kind of in the high teens, which is sort of organically, which is sort of consistent with what you've talked about in the past. Is that still also thinking about your book-to-bill commentary, is that a reasonable target growth rate for the company overall, that type of range?

also if you could talk about specifically what the LIOS contribution was in the quarter, that would be great. Thanks.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Yeah. I mean, I think that still holds true. That upper teens organic growth rate still stays true. It would have been true had we not had some of those delays. I talked about $several million that were sitting at a customer that we could not recognize the revenue. Other than OptaSense, all the other parts saw that high teens organic growth rate. It was really the OptaSense that had some delays from the customers where we just couldn't flip over and recognize that rev specifically. You know, LIOS does.

They are participating in the contribution of where we expected them. We saw what they did, you know, in that two-week sub-period in Q1, and what we had modeled them in for Q3 or for Q2, they did deliver on that. In fact, delivered a little bit higher than that. What they are heavily weighted more towards the second half of the year. Where we expected them, they certainly did deliver on the top line. Again, we went into that knowing that there were synergies that needed to be recognized, and it just takes some time until you can actually fully recognize some of those synergistic savings.

Because as we picked up some valuable assets over in LIOS and OptaSense, we have to look at the entire organization to say, you know, where is the redundancy that we can recognize those savings? And we've done that to a great extent here in Q2 and recognized in the second half.

Tim Savageaux
Senior Research Analyst, Northland

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

As a reminder, if you have a question, please press star one one on your telephone. There are no more questions in queue. I would like to now turn the call back over to Scott Graeff for closing remarks.

Scott Graeff
President and CEO, Luna Innovations

Thank you everyone for joining us today. Please feel free to reach out to Gene, Allison, Brian, myself, with any questions. I look forward to seeing some of you at our upcoming investor conferences in Chicago and San Francisco in the fall. Thank you for your time and interest in Luna Innovations. Now, Lisa, that concludes this earnings call.

Operator

Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You all, thank you for participating.

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