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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 19, 2022

Operator

Welcome to the Signature Bank's 2022 first quarter results conference call. Hosting the call today from Signature Bank are Joseph J. DePaolo, President and Chief Executive Officer, Eric R. Howell, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, and Stephen Wyremski, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing the pound key. We ask that you please pick up your handset to allow optimal sound quality. Lastly, if you should require operator assistance, please press star zero.

It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Joseph J. DePaolo, President and Chief Executive Officer. You may begin.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Ashley. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for the Signature Bank 2022 first quarter results conference call. Before I begin my formal remarks, Susan Lewis will read the forward-looking disclaimer. Please go ahead, Susan.

Susan Lewis
Investor Relations, Signature Bank

Thank you, Joe. This conference call and oral statements made from time to time by our representatives contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. You should not place undue reliance on those statements because they are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties relating to our operations and business environment, all of which are difficult to predict and may be beyond our control. Forward-looking statements include information concerning our expectations regarding future results, interest rate from the interest rate environment, loan and deposit growth, loan performance, operations, new private client team hires, new office openings, business strategy, and the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on each of the foregoing and on our business overall. Forward-looking statements often include words such as may, believe, expect, anticipate, intend, potential, opportunity, could, project, seek, target, goal, should, will, would, plan, estimate, or other similar expressions.

As you consider forward-looking statements, you should understand that these statements are not guarantees of performance or results. They involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements and can change as a result of the many possible events or factors, not all of which are known to us or in our control. These factors include those described in our quarterly and annual reports filed with the FDIC, which you should review carefully for further information. You should keep in mind that any forward-looking statements made by Signature Bank speak only as of the date on which they were made. Now, I'd like to turn the call back to Joe.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Susan. Before discussing this quarter's results, we are making a few changes to our earnings call. Along with our earnings release, you will find a presentation deck has been posted to the investor section of our website. I would also like to introduce Stephen Wyremski, our Chief Financial Officer. Welcome, Steve. As always, I am joined here today by Eric R. Howell, our Chief Operating Officer. Good morning, Eric.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Good morning, Joe.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Together, the three of us will provide an overview of the quarterly results. We will address your questions at the end of our remarks. Signature Bank continues to prove its earnings power, driving both profitability and efficiency at a rapid pace while expanding the balance sheet and maintaining a robust risk management discipline. This is exhibited by strong profitability and growth metrics achieved across the board. Let me take a step back one moment. The quarter played out as we anticipated. Interest rates rose, and as a result, our deposit growth normalized but still remains strong. We deployed some of the excess cash into higher-yielding assets and monetized our balance sheet, reducing excess cash for the first time in two years.

For the quarter, net income increased 78% year-over-year to $338.5 million, and diluted earnings per share increased $2.06, or 64% to $5.30. The significant earnings expansion this quarter is in large part driven by the deployment of our cash into securities and loans, which drove revenues up 38% year-over-year. While we are actively spending to support our growing businesses, our revenue growth far outpaced expense growth. This resulted in operating leverage where our efficiency ratio further improved to a low point, and our ROE expanded to a high 17.4%. Now adjusting for these one-time tax items, ROE would still have been a high 15.2%. Not bad for a growth company. Moving on to the balance sheet. Growth remains strong on all fronts.

Total assets grew by $3.4 billion. We grew our securities portfolio by a record $4.1 billion, and our patient and prudent deployment is proving to be advantageous as we are now more active in a higher rate environment. We continue to see opportunities to grow across all lending verticals, and total loans expanded by $1.5 billion. Total asset growth of $3.4 billion means, as I just stated, we were able to reduce cash balances for the first time in two years. Now, let's take a closer look at deposits, the core of our philosophy. Deposits increased $3 billion, or 2.8% to $109 billion this quarter, while average deposits grew by $5.3 billion.

Since the end of the 2021 first quarter, deposits increased a remarkable $35.2 billion or 47.6%, and average deposits increased nearly $37.1 billion. Of the $3 billion in growth of total deposits, non-interest-bearing deposits grew $2.4 billion- $46.7 billion, which represents a high of 42.8% of total deposits, which will be extremely valuable in a rising rate environment. Let me repeat it. $2.4 billion of the $3 billion total growth was in non-interest bearing. The quarter's growth was across the board with all of our businesses positively contributing. Essentially, we are seeing the power of diversification. Over the last two years, we have expanded to new geographies and industries.

As a result, we have created a very stable franchise that is not reliant on any one business line for deposit growth, which was one of the vital goals of our transformation. On the digital front, we are seeing tremendous positive momentum. The business continues to grow, as evidenced by the onboarding of a record 160 new clients. Also, we doubled the amount of major exchanges to 8 out of the top 12, where we are now the primary bank. We should bode well for future growth. All of these exchanges are integrating onto Signet in part through our latest enhancement. This new feature allows for our clients to execute automated Fed wire from within Signet in addition to blockchain-based payments, creating efficiency for our client and streamlining their payments process.

As one of the leading banks in this space, we listened to our clients and developed Signet into an all-in-one payment solution. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Eric.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Joe. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to turn our attention to our lending businesses. We had success on several fronts leading to growth in total loans of $1.5 billion or 2.4% to $66.4 billion and core loan growth of $1.9 billion. For the prior 12 months, total loans grew $15.5 billion or 30.3%. The largest driver of growth continues to be the front banking division, which grew loans by $1.3 billion. Similar to deposits, the power of diversification is taking hold with our lending verticals, with numerous teams contributing to our growth this quarter. Corporate Mortgage Finance had a solid quarter with $160 million in growth, and already this quarter they have grown over $300 million.

Additionally, we saw $109 million out of Signature Financial, which is great to see, as the first quarter tends to be slower business for them. Our venture banking group had a record quarter of $88 million in growth, and our West Coast C&I, ABL group, and SBA originations platform all positively contributed to growth. Furthermore, commercial real estate grew by $157 million as we've turned our attention back to growth in this space. The growth was all in multifamily CRE, which increased $300 million. A very solid quarter in multifamily, but partially offset by a decline of $142 million in other CRE.

Despite the strong growth this quarter, our concentration levels further declined below 300% and is now at 299%, which was a goal we finally reached, and we have now put the topic of CRE concentration behind us. Turning to credit quality, our portfolio continues to perform well. Non-accrual loans decreased $41 million- $178 million or 27 basis points of total loans, compared with $218 million or 34 basis points for the 2021 fourth quarter. Our past due loans remained within their normal range, with 30- to 89-day past due loans at $100.6 million or 15 basis points of total loans. Our 90-day plus past due loans remained very low at $10.8 million or just 2 basis points.

Net charge-offs for the 2022 first quarter declined to $17.8 million or 11 basis points of average loans, compared with $33.7 million or 22 basis points for the 2021 fourth quarter. The provision for credit losses for the 2022 first quarter was lower at $2.7 million, compared with $6.9 million for the 2021 fourth quarter. This brought the bank's allowance for credit losses to 69 basis points, and the coverage ratio stands at a healthy 259%. I'd like to point out that excluding very well-secured fund banking capital call facilities and government-guaranteed PPP loans, the allowance for credit loss ratio would be much higher at 119 basis points.

Now on to the expanding team front, where we continue to realize success. We started onboarding teams early in the second quarter after bonuses were paid. Thus far, the bank onboarded six private client banking teams, including one in New York. On the West Coast, we further expanded our footprint to include Sacramento and the Central California region, adding three teams. Additionally, two teams are added to Reno, Nevada, marking our entry into this business-friendly state. Our overall West Coast presence now consists of 32 teams, 16 in Los Angeles, nine in San Francisco, five in Central California and two in Reno, as well as representation from all our national businesses. We're excited to see the significant level of opportunity to actively grow with teams on both coasts.

In New York, we now have 96 teams serving the marketplace, and we are seeing renewed opportunities with numerous teams in the pipeline. Additionally, we will soon be announcing a new C&I lending vertical as a few members of the team have already joined us, with the rest to follow shortly. In order to support our team expansion, we have hired extensively throughout our operations and support infrastructure so that we can continue to best serve our clients' needs. At this point, I'll turn the call over to Steve. Thank you.

Stephen Wyremski
SVP and CFO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Eric, and good morning. I'll start by reviewing net interest income and margin. Net interest margin increased 8 basis points to 1.99% compared with 1.91% for the 2021 fourth quarter. As we anticipated, our deposit growth moderated as interest rates rose, allowing us to put our cash balances to use. This led to margin expansion during the quarter, and we expect it will lead to further expansion over time. Excess cash balances remain elevated and continue to impact margin by approximately 36 basis points.

Our deployment of cash also led to a meaningful increase in our net interest income, which for the first quarter reached $574 million, up $167 million or 41% when compared with the 2021 first quarter and an increase of $38 million or 7% from the 2021 fourth quarter. We expect continued cash deployment and anticipated higher interest rates to drive net interest income growth in the upcoming year. Let's look at asset yields and funding costs for a moment. Interest-earning asset yields for the 2022 first quarter increased 6 basis points from the linked quarter to 2.22%. The increase this quarter was again driven by the cash deployment into higher interest-earning loans and securities.

Average cash balances for the quarter decreased $2 billion, while average total loans increased $4.6 billion and average securities grew $3.3 billion. Yields on the securities portfolio increased 9 basis points linked quarter to 1.61%, given a much stronger market for reinvestment rates and slower CPR speeds on our mortgage-backed securities portfolio. Additionally, our portfolio duration increased 4.14 years due to the higher interest rate environment. New purchases during the quarter came in at a blended 2.39%. Many of these trades were executed to take advantage of the shape of the curve and came with a shorter term. Turning to our loan portfolio, yields on average commercial loans and commercial mortgages declined 7 basis points to 3.33% compared with the 2021 fourth quarter.

The decline in yields was driven by the substantial growth in lower yielding, very well-secured capital call lines. However, we are just beginning to see the early effects of this portfolio repricing higher. Since over 40% of our loans reset within 90 days or less, we expect loan yields to increase dramatically as short-term rates move higher this year. Now looking at liabilities. Our overall deposit cost this quarter decreased 1 basis point to 18 basis points. We are now at the bottom on deposit costs as some of our rates have already begun to move slightly higher. During the quarter, average borrowing balances decreased by $89 million to a low $2.7 billion, and the cost of borrowings remained stable at 2.45%.

The overall cost of funds for the quarter decreased 25 basis points, driven by the reduction in deposit costs. As we have pointed out, the bank is significantly asset sensitive. The bank's focus on growing floating-rate loans, which now comprise 51% of our loan portfolio, in addition to our core deposit funding and significant cash balances make us extremely well-positioned to take advantage of a rising rate environment. On to non-interest income and expense. We continue to emphasize fee income. Non-interest income for the 2022 first quarter was $34.4 million, an increase of $1.7 million or 5% when compared with the 2021 first quarter. The increase was generally across the board as many of our fee income initiatives are taking hold.

Non-interest expense for the 2022 first quarter was $193 million versus $166 million for the same period a year ago. The $27 million or 16.2% increase was principally driven by the addition of new private client banking teams and operational support to meet the bank's growing needs. Despite the significant team hiring and substantial investment in our operations, the bank continues to gain operating leverage. As a result, our efficiency ratio improved to a best-in-class 31.8% for the 2022 first quarter versus 37.9% for the comparable period last year. Quickly looking at taxes. This quarter, we benefited from multiple one-time tax items which totaled $41.6 million and mostly relates to the impact of our annual restricted stock vesting.

This lowered our tax rate to 17.8% for the quarter. Excluding these benefits, the tax rate would have been 27.9%. Turning to capital. Our capital ratios remain well in excess of regulatory requirements and augment the relatively low-risk profile of the balance sheet, as evidenced by a Common Equity Tier 1 risk-based ratio of 10.49% and total risk-based ratio of 12.58% as of the 2022 first quarter. Now I'll turn the call back to Joe. Thank you.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Steve. This quarter, our results speak for themselves as we continued to do what we said we would do. We achieved an ROE of 17.4%. Backing out the one-time tax items just mentioned by Steve, it would have been a very strong 15.2%. Again, not bad for a growth story. Our efficiency ratio improved to 31.8%. We see banks with efficiency ratios over 60% being applauded. Deposit growth came from across the board. It slowed like we said it would, but it was still strong. If you want to know more information, see slide 4 of the deck. In our loan portfolio, the CRE concentration fell below 300% for the first time in over a decade, and contributions came from 8 different areas. See slide 5 of the deck.

We continue to geographically diversify, particularly on the West Coast, where we have expanded to Central California and now Reno. We have seen tremendous consolidation and market disruption on both coasts. Recent M&A in New York has already resulted in more veteran banking prospects than seen in many, many years. We will continue to exercise discipline in selecting the very best bankers and teams. We will invest in all of our colleagues in the support and administrative functions in order to support strong growth. We will stay on top of the enhancements, both current and future, for Signet, and we will continue to build infrastructure to support our clients' needs. Today, we are stimulated by the enormity of opportunities to continue to grow our franchise. Now, Eric, Steve, and I are happy to answer any questions you might have. Ashley, I'll turn it back to you.

Operator

The floor is now open for questions. At this time, if you have a question or comment, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing the pound key. Again, we do ask that you, while you pose your question, that you pick up your handset to provide optimal sound quality. Thank you. Our first question comes from Manan Gosalia with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Manan Gosalia
Head of U.S. Large and Midcap Banks Research, Morgan Stanley

Hi, good morning. I wanted to start with a question on fund banking loans, you know, since it's been one of the biggest drivers for loan growth. Could you talk about what you're seeing in demand since the first rate hike? You know, maybe talk about what you expect for both, you know, the market overall as well as your market share gains in that segment, you know, given that interest rates are likely to rise pretty rapidly through the year.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

I mean, we continue to really see strong demand in that market. We don't anticipate, you know, with the early moves that we'll see much of a falloff in demand at all, really. I think you'd need to see, you know, meaningfully larger moves by the Fed and much higher rates before we really see the demand fall off in that space. We continue to have the opportunity to take significant market share there. We anticipate it'll be a strong area for growth for us moving forward.

Manan Gosalia
Head of U.S. Large and Midcap Banks Research, Morgan Stanley

Got it. And then maybe one follow-up on your comments on expenses. You know, just given that you're one of the most asset sensitive banks amongst peers and, you know, with rates moving up, you know, I think you said your expense growth is likely to be in the mid-teens. Given that you're already at a 32% expense ratio, you know, if I model that out, it seems that, you know, if you continue at this loan growth pace and the asset sensitivity comes through, your expense ratio will be, you know, comfortably sub 30%. Is there anything that we're missing here? You know, any one-time investments or costs that you need to incur this year or next?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

No. I mean, everything is in, you mentioned, teens of expense growth guidance. 16% is what we're forecasting. Certainly, the asset sensitivity that we have is providing a significant amount of operating leverage and will continue to as rates continue to increase. Nothing missing in that. No one-time expenses. Everything's built into that 16% forecast.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

If I may add, one of the things that we don't have is a retail component. Our offices to service clients are in space that is on the upper floors, and we don't have a large teller area because they're private, privately held businesses, and usually we're picking up from them. We don't have the real estate costs of a retail group. We don't, and we don't advertise. Advertising, marketing, and retail costs for locations on the street are very expensive. You carve that out and that helps us with the efficiency ratio.

Manan Gosalia
Head of U.S. Large and Midcap Banks Research, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from David Rochester with Compass Point. Please go ahead.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Hey, good morning, guys. Nice quarter.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Hey, David. Good morning.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

On the digital banking side, you mentioned the doubling of major exchanges in the customer base. Congrats on those adds. Was just wondering if all those associated deposits are actually reflected in the 1, 2 numbers. Can you just give a breakdown of the digital asset deposit book at this point? If you had that detail on the components that you talked about before, that'd be great.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

The deposits of the eight are not reflected because some of them just came on, so that bodes well for us in the future of gathering deposits because they're not all in those numbers.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Great.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Let's see. What you wanted the balances as of 3/31?

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Yeah. Just a breakdown of that digital asset deposit book. Yeah. If you guys have it.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Yeah. We had $7.2 billion in stablecoin issuers. The OTC desks and institutional traders was $5.6 billion. Digital asset exchanges is $12.8 billion. These are all in billions. Blockchain technology and digital miners is $3.6 billion. It should add up to about $29 billion.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Total balance sheet is zero.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

The total of that is, I mean, I can add it up of what we've done.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

It's about 29.2.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Okay.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

18.5 of the 29.2 is in DDA.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Great. Thanks for the detail. Maybe just overall on deposits, it seems like, we know you had a lot of drivers for growth going forward. Back in March, you highlighted that, you know, growth was going really slower in 1Q, but it looked like trends really picked up in March, just from an end of period basis. Can you just talk about the momentum you're seeing there on the deposit side? It sounds like you've got the exchanges that are still coming in. Anything else you guys can point to going forward, just on your thoughts?

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

It's really across the board. We had, you know, the New York banking teams. We're excited about the California teams that not only have just come on board, we don't expect them to bring their deposits right away. We have the situation where we hired a lot of the teams last year. They're starting to kick in. Specialized mortgage banking solutions is starting to kick in even more. They had over $7 billion in deposits throughout the year. We expect some larger ones to come in throughout the second quarter and the fourth quarter. Fund banking is contributing. It's coming from all over.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Great. It's good detail. Thank you. Switching to the asset side. You mentioned the new asset vertical that's coming. Something you already brought some of those guys over. Can you just give us an update on what you see as the growth potential in that vertical? If you had any update on the payroll ecosystem that you've been working on. I know that's more of a deposit driver. If you've gotten that test company up and running now, I know you were close to linking them into the Signet network. You know, how you see that ramping up from here this year, that would be great.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Sure. Yeah. The new loan vertical, we're probably looking at, you know, $200 million-$500 million in growth per quarter. You know, a couple members of the team on board. We're waiting on a few more to really join us, really in the next month or really hopefully next couple weeks, but certainly within the next month. We'll have them up and running. They should hit the ground running, pretty quickly. You know, there's a potential to have some growth in the second quarter, but certainly, the third and fourth quarter, they should contribute nicely to our growth.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Great. The technology, I guess, is already in place for that team?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah. Technology is in place for that vertical. It's nothing that we don't already have. That's right.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

For the payroll, the ecosystem, the payroll processes, we have them lined up and ready. What they're doing now is trying to get their clients, their customers on board so they could use Signet.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Great. Do you anticipate that panning out in 2Q, 3Q, or is it more of like a-

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Yeah.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

-for the next-

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Two Q and three Q.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Okay.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Two Q and three, three Q.

David Rochester
Managing Director and Director of Research, Compass Point

Great. All right. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Thank you.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Dave.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Matthew Breese with Stephens Inc. Please go ahead.

Matthew Breese
Managing Director and Research Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Good morning.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Morning, Matt.

Matthew Breese
Managing Director and Research Analyst, Stephens Inc.

I wanted to go back to the quarterly asset growth guidance of $4 billion-$7 billion. Can you just comment on the breakdown of that guidance between loan and securities in light of higher rates and the shape of the yield curve at this point?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

You know, yes, Matt, we're looking at probably $1 billion-$2 billion in loan growth, hopefully at the higher end of that range. You know, securities growth should be $2 billion-$4 billion, again, probably closer to the higher end of that range as well, given where the yield curve is shaped.

Matthew Breese
Managing Director and Research Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Okay. Then in your prepared remarks, you had mentioned NII growth and NIM expansion on the back of cash deployment. You know, you still have $26 billion of cash on the balance sheet. How much of that over the next year are you anticipating using up and deploying into loans and securities?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

super hard to predict, right? That really comes down to what deposit growth will be. Given the environment that we're in and the rapid rate rises that we're all anticipating, you know, it's really hard to predict deposits right now. It really comes down to that, Matt. What is deposit growth gonna be?

Matthew Breese
Managing Director and Research Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Okay. You know, just staying on the topic of deposits. You know, last quarter, well, actually, in your prepared remarks, you had mentioned some of the deposits are actually already repricing higher. Then last quarter you had mentioned that you are running a 40% deposit beta on total costs in your model, and that's higher than last cycle. I guess I'm curious as to why. You know, today versus last cycle, you have more in DDA, you have more specialized verticals. These verticals tend to have moats. I think you'd have better price control versus last cycle. What am I missing?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

You know, I think we're just trying to be conservative as it relates to that. We do have a couple new verticals in digital and mortgage banking solutions. You know, we're really trying to be conservative in modeling those out right now. You're absolutely right. A high level of DDA is gonna be very protective for us. I mean, thus far, the deposit beta has been extremely benign. We've seen five basis points of a pass-through with the Fed increase, and that's through April 11. Over approximately a month, we've seen about a 20% deposit beta thus far. We do anticipate, as you know, there's more rate rises, if they're more severe, right?

If we see the frequency and severity of those rate rises pick up, and we see more 50 basis point rate rises, that we'll see, you know, betas, you know, pick up substantially. So we're trying to be protective with that 40% assumption, but, you know, we're hoping for better.

Matthew Breese
Managing Director and Research Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Okay. The last one from me is on an older topic, but it's really around credit. You know, I've been getting more questions, particularly on New York City office. I was hoping you could remind us just of the size and the credit characteristics of that portfolio and whether or not either in office or generally across any of your real estate-oriented asset classes, you're seeing any sort of credit deterioration, and if so, you know, where and how.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

You know, well, to answer the latter part, we're really not, right? We saw all of our metrics improve this quarter. You know, as it relates to office specifically, we've got about $3.9 billion in the portfolio with a 56% LTV and a 1.39% debt service coverage. So we feel well-protected. You know, there's a lot of noise this quarter based on one of the big lenders you know, turning back the keys on a CMBS property. You know, our office looks nothing like that of a CMBS lender, right? We have to own the risk as a balance sheet lender. They get to slice it up and sell it off, right?

We lend to well-established generational families who are really expert in what they do, and particularly in that office space. Thus far, we have zero non-accrual loans, right? We have no loans in full deferral in office, right? We, you know, are, however, very aware of potential issues in this space and we're monitoring it very closely. Fortunately, we built up reserves throughout the pandemic, and we feel that we're adequately provided to be able to deal with whatever issues come along.

Matthew Breese
Managing Director and Research Analyst, Stephens Inc.

Perfect. That's all I had. Thank you for taking my questions.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Matt.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Casey Haire with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Casey Haire
VP, Jefferies

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, guys. I guess some questions, some follow-up on the NIM. The new money yields on, I think, Steve, you said the reinvestment yields were 2.39%. Where are reinvestment yields today?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

I mean, they're increased from there. On the securities side, we're investing in the low 3% range. CRE is in the low 4% range, 4.25, about. On the fund banking, we're looking at a mid 2% range.

Casey Haire
VP, Jefferies

Okay. Sorry, did you mention those are the loan yields? Did you mention the securities reinvestment yield?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Sure. Yeah, on that front, a little over 3%.

Casey Haire
VP, Jefferies

Okay.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Low threes.

Casey Haire
VP, Jefferies

Okay. Just on the cash, can you just give us a reminder of what's an optimal cash balance rate as a percentage of earning assets? I think in the past you guys have said 10%-15%. Just,

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Yeah.

Casey Haire
VP, Jefferies

Just trying to figure out. Yeah.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Yeah. It's still 10%-15%.

Casey Haire
VP, Jefferies

Okay. Very good. Thanks. That's all I had. Thank you.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Thank you.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thanks.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Steven Alexopoulos with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Steven Alexopoulos
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Hey, Steve. Good morning.

Steven Alexopoulos
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Morning. The new slide deck looks great. Thanks for that. Joe, I wanted to hit this issue, if we could, on the FDIC problem list. I mean, you know your stock was pretty weak once that report came out, right? The assets went up $120 billion, which is about your size. I've said publicly, I don't think it's you guys, but based on my conversations with investors through the quarter, there is still a concern out there. I know you can't comment specifically on a CAMELS rating, but can you give any color on this situation?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah. Steve, I'll start this off. Pretty sure Joe's gonna wanna jump in at some point. You know, I mean, by law, we're not allowed to talk about CAMELS ratings and such, as you know. We are not aware of any bank with capital ratios, credit metrics, growth, earnings like ours ever being anywhere near a troubled bank list. We're nowhere near it.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Steve, I'm glad you asked the question so we have a chance to speak about it. We're a little insulted by the marketplace, quite frankly embarrassed because of what Eric just said. People would think we could be on the list, but we can't comment whether we are or not, because we can't talk about our CAMELS rating. I'm the CEO and I would know. I know nothing. Hopefully that's helpful.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah, it is. Banks are expanding into California, into Nevada, into new markets, right? Typically, if a bank were to be on a troubled bank list, expansion would be out of the question, right?

Steven Alexopoulos
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Yeah. Right. Yeah, no, it's good. I mean, it's funny, there are other banks out there with regulatory issues against them, which we know there's none for you guys, but it's good to hear you talk a bit about this because like I said, I've heard it quite a bit through the quarter, so I do appreciate some commentary that you're able to give. Thanks for that. Maybe shifting directions for a second. Joe, you made a comment on the digital asset front that I'm not sure if you said you were the primary bank for 8 of 12 exchanges. Can you go into that a bit more? What did you mean by that?

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

They're moving their operating accounts from wherever they are to us to primarily be the bank that handles their day-to-day banking operations with their treasury group. We had 4 of the top 12, and we've got another 4 this quarter, I mean, the first quarter. Now we have 8. They're moving on board, and it means that we'll have a lot more DDA or at least more DDA, and they'll be on Signet. That's really it. It's really the operating account is the key and the DDA.

Steven Alexopoulos
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Yep. Okay.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

That doesn't mean that they don't have other banks.

Steven Alexopoulos
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Yep.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

We would be considered the primary one.

Steven Alexopoulos
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Thanks. Then finally, regarding the extension into Nevada, is that just you guys being opportunistic with these two teams? Or do you see more of an effort to grow that as a new market as well? Thanks.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Well, they're both, right? I mean, certainly when you look at Nevada, it's an extension of California these days. We've seen a lot of business move along the I-80 corridor, moving out of San Francisco and Silicon Valley, right? Where they're finding much cheaper operating opportunities in Sacramento and then a little bit further across into Reno, into a you know, more tax-friendly state. We're following our clients a little bit. We're opportunistic in that we found a leader in that market who could attract some really high-quality bankers. You know, Steve, right now we're at a point where we've proven we can take the show on the road, where we can be opportunistic.

If we see opportunities in other cities and states, you know, particularly those ones that are growing, you know, rapidly right now and attracting business, we can act upon it.

Steven Alexopoulos
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Terrific. Thanks for taking all my questions.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Ebrahim Poonawala with Bank of America. Please go ahead, sir.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

Hey, good morning.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Good morning.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

Just wanted to follow up on deposits. I know it's hard to handicap, but as we think about growth one quarter, in the first quarter it was about $3 billion. Is that at least a steady state in terms of how we should think about baseline deposit growth and it could be stronger than that? Secondly, maybe Steve if you can talk a little bit about how you're thinking about the mix from DDA. Is that 43%? Should that move towards more interest bearing as we move forward the next few quarters given the Fed hikes? Or do you expect that mix to hold pretty much steady state?

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

On the deposits, the amount that we project, it's hard to do that. You know, we put a lot of businesses that we have now on the books with new teams and new lines of businesses so that when one area is going short, the other areas can pick up. You know, the $3 billion in deposits that we had to grow this quarter, we've been in business now about 84 quarters. This is the eighth highest of the 84 quarters. So it's not anything that we would take lightly. I think $3 billion is a very good quarter. I think everyone, including us, got used to the $10 billion a quarter during 2021. We don't expect that to happen.

We expect it to be more moderated.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah. On deposit mix, we certainly expect clients to be seeking rate again. We're currently forecasting down into the 30%-35% range that we may hit.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

That's what you assume in terms of the DDAs moving to 30%-35%.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah. I mean, certainly.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

Is that mostly?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Sorry.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

I just want to ask, is that mostly driven by incremental growth probably comes in interest-bearing as opposed to you actually seeing runoff in DDAs?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

I think it would potentially be a mix of both. Certainly new accounts. Even over a long period of time, we might see some. We expect to see some migration from non-interest-bearing to interest-bearing as well.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

Understood. I guess, just one follow-up. Go ahead.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

I was just gonna say that, some of the deposit growth could come in the off-balance sheet. We've seen that in the past where we used to earn $3.25 million a quarter in fees on the off-balance sheet money markets. Now we earn a couple of hundred thousand a quarter, $3 million less. Some of the balances would go off-balance sheet, and that would be the reason why there would be more moderated growth in the on-balance sheet.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

Got it. Just going back to the question around expenses, Eric, you mentioned that you've tested the model. It works outside of New York. As we think about just the hiring pipeline, like do you expect a meaningful ramp-up, meaning your revenue growth is strong. Why not make more investments if you find the right talent? Just give some perspective around the pipeline. Should we be surprised if we see you hiring in additional markets as we move through the year?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Well, I mean, you know, I wouldn't be surprised. There's nothing really in the near term for additional markets. We've got, you know, a very robust pipeline, numerous teams on the East Coast and West Coast, and it's great to see that renewed interest in the East Coast. You know, look, there's been a lot of large M&A that's taken place between Webster, Sterling, M&T, People's United, Investors Bank. It's creating opportunities in the New York metropolitan area for us. Then you've got Bank of the West, Umpqua, Union, Opus, CIT, and, you know, a lot of mergers that happen on the West Coast. Then the mega banks who continue to just be in turmoil. Right. That's created a lot of opportunity.

We've got a good, you know, 4 or 5 teams in the pipeline on both coasts. We'll see where the next opportunity arises for us.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

We're hiring teams from banks we've never hired from before. They're really very professional. The fact that we've not hired from these banks before gives us another source of teams.

Ebrahim Poonawala
Head of North American Banks Research, Bank of America

Got it. Thanks for taking my questions and great detail in the slide deck. Thanks.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Brody Preston with UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Celeste Abraham
Equity Analyst, UBS

Hey, everyone. It's Celeste Abraham in for Brody. You know, most of my questions have been asked and answered. Hey, you know, I did want to revisit you know, just the capital call lending, you know, some of the weakness in you know, the private markets as you know, obviously been well documented the last few months. You know, I know you guys are kind of more you know, market share gain story there still. You know, is there any color you can give us? Anything you're seeing that's changed or your utilization levels shifting at all? Anything around that?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Really, you know, not at all at this point. I mean, we've talked with the team around, you know, how will rates really affect them. We think that, you know, if we see several hundred basis points higher, that we could see utilization rates come down, but not until then. Even at a much higher interest rate, we're adding significant leverage to these transactions that really juice their returns. We'd need meaningfully higher interest rates before we really saw an impact on that business. We continue to hire talent in that space. We've added to that team, who are just bringing more clients to us as well.

Celeste Abraham
Equity Analyst, UBS

Okay. Maybe just on the crypto side. You know, at this point you seem fairly well penetrated into that exchange customer segment based on, you know, based on your comments. You know, kind of the next leg of growth there, you know, where do you see that coming from? Is it, you know, is it a certain type of customer? Is it gonna be, you know, more broad-based, just from a customer growth perspective? How are you thinking about that?

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Well, we do institutional. We really don't do client, personal client. We do institutional. I think just trying to bring on more of those exchanges. At least in the near term, the fact that we went from 4 being the primary bank to 8 being the primary bank, that should give us some lot of runway to grow during this year. Then we have other enhancements that we're making, but they won't be coming on board until probably mid to end of year. You know how we do. We basically listen to the client. In this industry, we listen to the client very closely, and they kind of dictate what we should do next. That's why we made the one enhancement with the Fed wires.

We're gonna make some more as the time goes along. Like I said, it's mid to late year.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Those exchanges are critical to our growth as well because when we tie in with them and integrate our platform to their platform, it makes it much easier for their clients to trade and transact in business. They're really leading us to their client base as well, which is helping us to grow along the entire ecosystem.

Celeste Abraham
Equity Analyst, UBS

Okay. That's very helpful. Are you guys able to give you know another update on the transaction volumes on you know on Signature itself last quarter? It seemed like it was trending pretty close to you know the Q4 during the mid-quarter update.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Well, the transaction volume on digital was relatively flat. It was in the fourth quarter, it was $213.7 billion, and in the first quarter, it was $209.7 billion, so relatively flat. The market, different studies was down between 20% and 40%. We're feeling pretty good that we were just about flat and the market was down 20%-40% relatively.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

We also had our largest quarter of new client acquisition where we added 160 new clients in the quarter. That bodes well for the future as well.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

To give you an idea, that 160, we did 147 clients in, we grew in 2020. 2021, we grew 382. 147 and 382, and already in the first quarter we did 160. That and the transaction volume, we feel pretty good about.

Celeste Abraham
Equity Analyst, UBS

Yep. Awesome. Thanks, guys.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Thank you.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Mark Fitzgibbon
Head of FSG Research, Piper Sandler

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Good morning, Mark.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Hey, Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon
Head of FSG Research, Piper Sandler

Most of my questions have been answered. I just had one. I'm curious. I know you're an organic growth company, but could you ever envision Signature doing an acquisition of maybe a fintech company or another digital payments player?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah. Yeah. Never say never, right? You know, certainly a strategic acquisition in the fintech space or in the digital space could make sense. We've talked about tuck-on acquisitions in our specialty finance group or, you know, elsewhere in the bank. You know, there's always a potential to do acquisition. You know, it's just a very high hurdle for us to cross when you can grow organically in the way that we grow. Acquisitions typically don't make tremendous amount of sense for us, but you can certainly see a tuck-on in a couple different spaces for us.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

If you have a high-flying one that's a discount to book, we would look at it.

Mark Fitzgibbon
Head of FSG Research, Piper Sandler

Sounds good. Thanks, guys.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jared Shaw with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Jared Shaw
Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo

Hey, thanks. I guess just can you give an update on what the current spot deposit rate is and, you know, on the spot rate on the digital asset deposits?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah. I'm not sure what the spot rate is on digital deposits, but we're up about five basis points on our overall deposit costs. Digital is typically quite a bit lower than that.

Jared Shaw
Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo

Still outperforming for that 80% expectation early?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Excuse me. What was that?

Jared Shaw
Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo

You're still outperforming that 80% beta that you had highlighted earlier?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Oh, yeah. We're not even close. Yeah, we really don't expect beta. Betas are muted. You know, we expect that to be the case for the first few moves. The more frequent and more severe they are, then the betas will catch up over time.

Jared Shaw
Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

In digital, they have to keep a minimum of 30% in the non-interest-bearing.

Jared Shaw
Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay, great. You know, when you talk about you bringing on those new exchanges, that's great. Where are you taking those operating accounts from? Is it from the biggest national banks or is it other, you know, more digital specialty banks that are migrating to Signature?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

It's really across the board.

Jared Shaw
Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo

Okay. I guess just finally from me, you had referenced I guess 3.25 on the CRE, multifamily book. Do you expect to see pricing there really, stay pretty centered or pretty tied to what we're seeing at the 5-year as we go forward?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you said 3.25 or 4.25 is really where we're at. I mean, yeah, the 5-year is really what we spread again. As that moves, certainly our pricing would move as well in that book. As we've seen in other rising rate cycles, we've seen credit spreads compress in the early part of the move. We may anticipate over time that those will start to widen and we should get even better pricing than that.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Yeah, you're right. Because at 425, the spread is it's like 160 over. What if we get 200 over?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

200.

Jared Shaw
Equity Analyst, Wells Fargo

Great. Thank you.

Joseph DePaolo
President and CEO, Signature Bank

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Chris McGratty with KBW. Please go ahead.

Chris McGratty
Managing Director and Head of U.S. Bank Research, KBW

Hey, good morning. Just as a question on the borrowings on page 17 of the deck. Any reason to believe that we won't allow those almost $1 billion this next month, quarter and a half to mature and reprice through the excess cash position?

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Oh, yeah. We're definitely gonna replace that, you know, with cash, so we don't anticipate renewing those this time.

Chris McGratty
Managing Director and Head of U.S. Bank Research, KBW

Okay. Second, on fees. In prior quarters, you've given, you know, some expectations for year-on-year growth given the build out there. Any update on fee income growth, either relative to first quarter levels or full year 2021 levels? Thanks.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Yeah. I think if we look at prior year levels, we should see about a 50% increase in fee income over the prior year.

Chris McGratty
Managing Director and Head of U.S. Bank Research, KBW

Okay. 20, 50% over 2021. Thanks.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Right. Over Q2 2021 or Q2 2022.

Chris McGratty
Managing Director and Head of U.S. Bank Research, KBW

Got it. Thanks, Eric.

Eric Howell
Senior EVP and COO, Signature Bank

Thank you, Chris.

Operator

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